Jabali Smith : Slave held captive by a messianic doomsday sex cult

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Jabali Smith. He's the author of the book Slave, and
he's got a fascinating story. It's kind of a heroic story, Okay, courageous,

(02:45):
victorious story. This guy's a who in slavery as a child.
But well let him tell you the whole story. Jabali Smith, mister.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Smith, are you there, I'm here, Thanks for having men.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much. Tell us
about yourself? Is Jabali Smith.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
So it's well, how do we we ourselves in just
a short seconds.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
I am a father.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I'm a son, and a brother and a community member.
I have a fourteen year old son who's just about
to come and live with me, which I'm super excited about.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
And uh, I've pretty much.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Committed and dedicated my life to raising awareness around trafficking
issues and child abuse issues, and uh, that's what my
life is set in right.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Now, okay, And your website is Jabalismith dot com. It's
j A. B. A. L I Smith dot com and
also tweet on appears coming up June twelfth at the
Rotary in Los Patos, California. They're gonna be talk to
about your book.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Then, Yeah, we're talking about the book and really just
raising awareness around you know, trafficking issues today and also
the underlining really, I would say, you know, the under
lining peace behind this travesty in which I believe is

(04:08):
child abuse.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
At its core, right, that's where it kind of all begins.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
And so you're raising awareness around that and bringing people's
understanding to the some of the solutions that are available
and also.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Some of the preventive measures we can take.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay, So the book is called Slaves and correct me
that you were You were turned over as a small
child to a religious apocalyptic sex cult.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
This is true. I was.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I was six years old and I was abandoned by
my mother to a.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Missionic doomsday sex cult and we were traffic My sister
and my brother and I were trafficked across the border
into Mexico.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
My sister was thirty, my brother was ten, and I
was six.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
And my sister was essentially the sex slave, and my
brother and I were labor slaves.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
And after about.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Maybe twelve months or thirteen months, my sister ran away
to save her own life, and of six months after that,
my brother ran away, and I was too young to navigate,
you know, the trip back right to the States, so
I had to I had to stay until until I
was old enough to find an escape, and I did

(05:39):
two weeks before my twelve birthday.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Okay, do we know the name of this cult? Is
this a cult that we would recognize?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know, it was a small call back.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
And that's another kind of one of the other issues
that I speak to was just you know, cults in
America and the effects of them. And you know, if
the CDC was to do you know.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
A report on cold, they would they would classify it
as a as a an epidemic, right, a pandemic across
the world. So it's very very common, but it's also
very very under the radar.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
So so this, this particular cult was a.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Small cold born out of you know, the sixties three
love movement. They were called the own Lovers, and.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Wasn't it wasn't very it wasn't very big.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
They claim to be, you know, they claimed to be
where the cult leader himself claimed to be like the
almighty creator of the universe himself. You know, your old
you know, to a six year old boy, could possibly
be the truth, right if your mother is telling dad
and all these adults are coming bass.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
It was conceivable for me as a little boy too
that this might just be the God.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Although I thought God was a white guy with a
beard in the sky.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
This was definitely not bad.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Now, how did your mother become involved in his calt?

Speaker 4 (07:07):
My mother.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Met this cult leader early in the sixties. He was
Hughey Newton. Huey Newton was the it was the Black
Panther founder, and he was Hughey Newton's mentor. Huey Newton
wrote about him, Yeah, in his book Revolutionary Suicide. And
so he was a black nationalist originally, which then kind

(07:34):
of shifted his focus.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Because of the of the free love movement in the
Bay Area.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
There was a there was a He's founded this group
called the Sexual Freedom League, and essentially was was promoting
pedophilia through that to that organization and then from Black
Naturalist to you know, sexual freedom lya he h, yeah,

(08:01):
had some run ins with the UH, with the authorities
who did some time in NAPA State Hospital, and when
he came back from NAPO State, he was claiming to.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Be UH the Creator. So he obviously went crazy at
that time.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
And while in the Bay Area and in Berkeley, he
met my mother and then had a kind of influence
over her.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Now did you and Newton ever disassociate himself from this guy?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think in the think in the book he does. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And what was the guy's name?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
He kind of he kind of speaks to how he was,
how he went he went crazy at si Okay And
what was the cult leader's name? So his his his
birth name was William Brumfield, but.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
He was known as Richard Thorne.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
And then he had other aliases, but but mostly through
the to the Sexual Freedom League and through some other organizations,
he was not as Richard Solon. Okay, Now you would
think I have a really crazy UH coincidence that we
can kind of get into later about his just how
closely related he is to other people in this community.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
What do you tell us now? He doesn't tell us now, Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well, so let's see. So so he was a Jehovah's witness,
and he you know, coming out of out of that religion,
you know, you're you're very exposed to your biblical scholarly

(09:46):
you know, understandings, I guess you could say. And so
he used you know, he used his understanding and teachings
from the Bible two really plagiarize the Bible and claimant
as his own. So as as he uh as he
developed his you know, his his stick or his his
game plan and it being you know, religion and God.

(10:11):
It turned out that years later, when I came back,
I found out that his his his Kingdom Hall or
his you know, church for the for the jos Witness
called the Kingdom Hall. They were right here in North Oakland.
And his brother, who he talked about a lot, coincidentally

(10:37):
was best friends with my biological father, who was also
a Jehovah's Witness, And we didn't we didn't know this
until we pieced together years later that in fact, this
this cult leader was was you know, one person removed
from my family besides my mom. My mother and father

(10:59):
weren't weren't married, and they didn't stay together after I
was born. So when when I came back and my
father was Jehovah's witness and his best friend was was
this cult leader's brother. Kind of an irony.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's a small world. It's a small world, you know
what I mean, it really is, It really is now.
And now your mom gives you all. Were you and
your sister and your brother to this cult? Where did
she go? Did she stay with you? She left and
went on her own?

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, she she went out on her own. She left.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Do you know where she went?

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Well, she just stayed in the Bay Area. She just
stayed here.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
And then what was her motivation for turning you over
to the cult?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well that that's a that's a good question, you know.
So without like dissecting you know her her psychology right
and and what what was she was dealing with as
a human being, can just say that you know, she
was manipulated right by this person.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
And he had such an incredible.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Grasp of her mind, body, spirit that he convinced her
to give his daughter over to him to be married
and be one of his wives, and for her two
boys to be raised by this person, by the Creator,

(12:39):
by God, such that you know, our souls could be saved.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Okay, But but her think it makes it I understand,
I understand, but her thinking would then would would be, well,
I want to be saved too, and I want to
be around the creator to instead of leaving you don't
going off for Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
So here's here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You know, my mother was a very interesting.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Character.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
She was a bit sociopathic, she was bipolar. She could
be very very tender and loving and kind and then
in the next moment be very very callous, cold and unnursuring. Right,
So part of her part of how and I'm just

(13:30):
extrapolating from you know, from from history and time.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
I can't. I can't. I can't walk in her shoes
to you specifically. But what uh.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
What it took was this this kind of disassociation, right
to allow this person to you know, to hand over
your kids and and just go on with your life.
Took part of part of that cold bloodedness, part of
the pain of her out good experiences, but also the
brainwashing of this guy who had her number, so to speak.

(14:06):
So so when she so part of it was like selfish, right,
part of it was, you know, I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Take care of these kids. It's hard. I gotta, I gotta.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I got another boyfriend over here, maybe or I got
my whole life I want to live and this will
help alleviate my stress. Right, I'm on welfare, I have
no job, I have no money, I have no resources.
So this could be a way for you know, you
need to have it a little bit easier, simultaneously convincing
herself that this guy was a spiritual guru, leader, creator

(14:40):
of universe and that we were going to somehow come
out better and the yeend because of it.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Do we know whatever became of your mother or wish
she is today?

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah? So so, well she's passed away.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, she passed away a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
And you know, indeed part of you know, the healing
process that we deal with something I felt a child
is you for me? I had I was curious about
exactly your questions, like how could you do this right
to your children? And what was it that compelled you
to to to think it was okay to have your

(15:18):
thirteen year old daughter sentially being raped by a grown man,
right and putting your sons through speakable physical, mental, psychological
and sexual abuse.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
And so I faced this question.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
For many years and it brought on something but I
was really.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Not aware of at the time. I didn't have the
language to.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Understand it, but I suffered from well obviously PTSD by
post might express disorder, but.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
The seasonal depression.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
So every year around August through October, I would find
myself self destructing in a bad way.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Like I would quit my jobs.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I would I would stop paying rent, I would sleep
and not get up. Or I would consume, you know,
enormous amounts of just straight sugar, like I had this
even tore. I ate like ten or fifteen candy bars
a day, or I would just like when I got older,
when I wasn't candy anymore, it became drugs and alcohol.

(16:29):
And so I would find myself literally destroying my life
for this for this period of time, and then all
of a sudden, I was kind of wake up, and
you know what am I doing? Wait? I got to
get a job, like I'm scout serving, I'm homeless. So
this this happened for me many many years. And as I,
as I began a healing process, and as I began

(16:50):
to uncover the tools of living you know, successful and
happy and well adjusted, compassionate, loving life, I recognize that
there was this pattern. And so a couple of years ago,
after I had long since recognized the pattern I found myself.
I had just quit, you know, at six figure paying job,

(17:15):
and I was sitting on the couch at my house
and I was eating a tub of ice cream and
I was like, wait a second, this is that same
behavior that I've always exhibited. And although and behold, this
is that time of year. So I thought, what can
I do to break this this pattern of depression and

(17:35):
self destruction? Although with much milder now, Right, although I
did quit a very high paying job, and that was
a that was a big step toward toward being consistent
with the pattern. But I recognized it, and mind you,
I quit the job.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Logically it made.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Sense, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna quit this job, and
I'm gonna I'm gonna write this book and I'm gonna
build this foundation. So it made sense for me in
that way. But as I looked at my depression, I thought,
and I'm going to get to the I'm going.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
To circle back to how this all closes up.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
But I thought, what can I do in exact opposition
of this feeling of depression? So like, what's the opposite
of being depressed? I thought, well, that would be celebration.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
So I said, that's right.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I said, I'm going to celebrate this time of year,
how far I've come, who I've become, and the person
and the and the and the journey that's taking me
to where I am. I'm going to celebrate that. And
I said, ok yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Okay,
so what else can I do to break this pattern?
I thought, okay, well, the next thing is when I
am depressed, I recoil, right, I go inside.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
So I thought, let me go out and reach out.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
To my community and ask for help, something I never do.
I don't want to talk to anybody. I want to
close the blind. I'm going to shut the chades and
get under the cup. I thought, let me go out
and just talk to people in my community and express
how I'm feeling. And I got a resounding, a resounding
response of love and encouragement and that that I had

(19:12):
convinced myself wasn't there. But that was another thing. So
I was like, yes, this is great, Like my community
is supporting me. You know, I can celebrate this time.
I've come so far. What's the other thing that happens
in this suppression? And I was like, I get really selfish,
and I get really like screw the world, you know,
like I don't care. So I how can I break that?
So I decided I would go out and become a volunteer.

(19:34):
So I became a CASSA CASA is a court pointed
special advocate for UH foster kids.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
So I became a mentor.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Right, And so that had that had significantly interrupted my
depressive state of mind and my depressive state, and it
was really powerful. So as you know, God or the
universe or the Great speed, whatever you want to call
that for, would have it. My mother died the next day.

(20:06):
So now so I got what I took from that
was this the universe is saying to me, Okay, you
want to do you want to celebrate this time of year?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Well, how are you going to celebrate this? Right?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
And I thought, okay, now here's this woman, my mother,
who I cannot help but love. Right. Science proves that
a child's relationship with any animal on earth have a
relationship with their mother biochemically so powerful that you cannot

(20:40):
break it. Children's fight or flight mechanism is reduced when
they're around their mother. With the reason why, you know,
kids don't want to press.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Chargers against their mother.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
The reason why they don't tell that their mothers are
abusing them is because of the biochemical link that that
we have with our.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Parents, right, you know. So I was like, how can.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I celebrate this tragedy? And so I had to look
at my mother. I had had to deconstruct what this
human being went through, right, And so my mother was
raped by her stepfather and impregnated, and she was sent
to New York to have an abortion because back in

(21:25):
the fifties you couldn't as California was against the law.
So she was shipped off to New York, came back,
her mother disowned her. She was on the street at
fourteen and navigated the world after having good ray by
someone that was supposed to protect and love her. So
I thought, you know, this poor human being, this woman,

(21:47):
this little girl, who didn't have the tools, who didn't
have the love, who didn't have the infrastructure to support her.
After a devastating event, grew up to use drugs and alcohol,
married an abusive man who knocked her teeth out of
her mouth by all of them literally.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
And you know, became.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Entwined in this free love movement that was susceptible to
this particular predator who had her number, right, that could
convince her to give up her children. Meanwhile, you know,
she's having to deal with all of her past and

(22:35):
her drug addiction to all of her things. So I
really had to signed compassion to the human beed. And
when I did that, I was able to celebrate her
as well.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
So I celebrated the little.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Girl, my mother, the mother that did love us and
wanted to protect us, the woman that needed the child
that needed support and help instead of you know, the
cold heart street right. So to bring it all back,
breaking the the the.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Habit of that depression and how to.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Celebrate tragedy was profound and heart opening experience and lesson
that that happened in her passing.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Real quick because we had to take a break. But
did you before she passed? Did you get a chance
to reconcile with her before she passed?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yeah, yeah, I had.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
I had long since, uh, and we can get into it,
you know, after the break, but long since forgiven her
and and in fact I've forgiven everyone that trespassed against me.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, that's so important. You gotta release that you forget,
because it's like a it takes root, It takes root
in your life and grows a tree of business. We'll
be right back after this one of them at Jabali
Smith Jabalismith dot com. The book is called Slave. It
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Slave and you can seem in person June twelfth at

(28:45):
the Rotary Club done in Los Katos, California, June twelfth,
and you get an autograph copy of the book. Now, Sabally,
here's this guy, William Brumfield, Richard thorn Right, and he
has such a high profile connection to the Black Panthers,
yet he's got this cult going on. He's raving a
thirteen year old girl. He's got kids that aren't his

(29:07):
own living with them. How is it you we know
all the FBI infiltration of the Panthers and the Oakland
police infiltration and the informants they had, and listen, how
did all this go on under the nose of the
FBI and the police and nothing was done.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I have always thought that he was an informant. That's
what That's what's There was a lot of things that
happened along the way that made me think that.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
But we were on the run from from the FBI
and the authorities.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
And he was able to do things that he caught
a counterfeiting case and beat the case. Ye he you know,
we we years later we were in Las Vegas, Nevada,
camped out in the desert, and you know, helicopters showed up,
and task for showed up, and you know, they kicked somehow,
like nobody got.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Arrested and we all were allowed to leave.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I don't know. I just my team tells me that
he was an instorment, but but I don't know. Also,
you know, he I kind of disassociated from the Black
Panther movement, and you know, he he was no longer
you know, a black nationalist, right, so he was he
was he already cracked and became kind of insane. I

(30:23):
guess you'd have to be pretty insane. I think that
you're the creator, you know, of the universe and starting
a cult and all that stuff. So he had they
had kind of gone their separate ways as the Black
Panthers were really gaining you know, goodlarity and.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Members.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, but still he had to be on their radar.
And here he is committing these perfect crimes. You think
they would lift a finger to rescue these kids.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
But whatever, when we you know, we went into Mexico,
we disappeared into Mexico for years.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
We'll tell him before get to Mexico. Well, whatever it
became of your brother and sister, where are they today?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
My brother is a successful carpenter, there is his own
flooring company, and my sister lives up in Nevada.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
So so basically everyone survived this, this ordeal.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Everybody survived.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Now the impacts of that survival and the after was
and is still heartbreaking and devastating and something you know
that requires a lot of attention to, you know, to
wrestle with and to come to grips with. You know.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Well, give us an idea what you went through when
you were first you were dropped off with this guy.
Your mother left.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
What were you thinking, Well, we had we we we
had been kind of prying for it, right, like we
I want you to meet this this guy that owned
this is creator of the universe, right, this is God.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
He has all these powers, He's.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Done all these things. Healed the sick, raised the dead,
you know all that. And so as a little boy.
I was shocked and amazed and like, oh my God,
like I'm about to meet God or I just met God.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
And all these people were.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Following behind him and praising him and rubbing his feet,
rubbing whales on him, and fanning him with fans and
feeding him grapes. I mean it was, you know, convincing
for a little boy. So so when when we got
when my mom said that we were going to go
on a trip, go on an airplane ride. I was

(32:42):
excited to go on the airplane ride. And I trusted
that this person who you know, she was sending me.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Off with was was who he said he was.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
I didn't think that it was. I was never going
to see her again. It was tricked. How many mo
I did?

Speaker 4 (33:00):
She she showed.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
So so we left Berkeley, we went down to San
Diego and I saw her one more time in San
Diego before I never before.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
I didn't see her for six years, by of course,
to six years.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
How many members and how many followers do you have?

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
He had see about six women and three men, and
then my myself, my brother, and my sister and that
was it.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
No other kids.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Oh, and that's a ton of kidscuse me. All of
those women had kids, and over that six year period
that I was gone day, they all had multiple children.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
And how is he funding all this? How is he
paying for this to keep everything going?

Speaker 1 (33:48):
So? Yeah, so we we we were we were trained
to commit crimes like cons you know, conning people. We
made and sold incense, and we panhandled and we hustled

(34:11):
any any kind of angle we could stole things and
sold them and whatever we could, Okay, and.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
That was enough to support this whole big Jenant group.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
I mean, if you.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Think about it, right, you got five grown women working
twelve fifteen hours a day selling and conning all day. Right,
they're east generating at least you know, five hundred to
one thousand dollars a day, right, So there's there was
plenty of income.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
And what about school?

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Did you go to school while you're still in the States, Well.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
No, I didn't know how to read or write. I
taught my escaping.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I told myself how.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
To read the right I came back.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Really, So what'd you do, well, David? Did you have
a TV set? What you do?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Oh? No, no, No, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It was rare.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I mean, I can tell you know quickly, like a
day in the life of a slate. So the first
thing in the morning was sexual ritual where I was.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Naked and I was forced to retrieve and offer.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Drinks and lotions and incense and play instruments and sing to.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
The sex acts that he performed with my.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Sister and with other women. After that there was meditation, No,
there was his lectures, so he would do these. He
would do these orations about how he was the creator,
and he would you know, he would have these orations,
and then it was meditation. And then after maybe two
or three hours of meditation time, it was breakfast.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
And then after.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Breakfast it was chores or cleaning or assignments. So all
of the women they had meetings in the morning and
he dictated what each of them would do, what strategies
they would use. Some would con some would panhandle, some
would sell, one would stay home with the kids. Meanwhile,
the kid's duties. While kept naked, we were to either

(36:21):
clean methodically, picking up by hand any and every single
speck of dust that the floor would collect, wiping every
cranny and nook of the bathroom floors, kitchen window, windows, seals,
and ceiling. And then if that was done to his approval.

(36:42):
We were allowed to sit in silence, and if we talked,
we were beaten severely. If we were able to sit
in silence for several hours or stand in silence, depending
on his mood. We were allowed to eventually play tennis.
So tennis was one of the freedoms that were allowed

(37:06):
to us.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Now was this that a public tennis court?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah? It would. You know, he'd find a court because
he played tennis, so he would find a court. And
if we were obedient, specifically if I was obedient, then
he would allow me to come along. I could be
the ball boy, and just being outside and chasing a
ball around a tennis court for me was extreme joy

(37:31):
and freedom.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
What about what kind of food?

Speaker 4 (37:35):
The gap.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
All organic?

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Healthy?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
He was a health not so it was it was
you know, beans and rice and vegetables and fruit. Nothing sweet,
anything sweet or process was forbidden.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
And that's fascinating how so many of these cult leaders
they're into their organic food, you know, but they could
be so cruel and insane in so many other areas,
like how do what do you what? What? What diskind
of goes on their head?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
You know, it's just yeah, it's it's you know, it's
part of that narcissist you know, yeah, self love, like he.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
Loved himself.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
So he wanted to eat healthy, right, he wanted to
live long and eat healthy. But I was nothing more than,
you know, a slave, So I just I didn't even.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I didn't really get sad.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Part of the punishments for not all being obedient or
making too much noise was no food. So I was
often starved. So I would go days and days without
being able to eat any food, giving water here and there.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
He was. He was turned out, you know, he as
he as he.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
As the years went on, he would you know, share
these different events. And some of the things that he
shared were, uh uh, the treatment that he received at
Napa State Mental Hospital. And of course you know she
was tortured and abused at Napa State. And so he
was re enacting what was happening to him to me.

(39:16):
So you know, no food, isolation, beatings, cold showers, you know,
no sleep, all designed to dismantle my identity and then rebuild.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
It as his, as his disciple and worshiper.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Now this in California, This was in a house or
an apartment. What was that like?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
What do you mean in California in the beginning.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, were you in a house or in an apartment?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
So in the beginning, you know, I was living with
my mother.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
He showed up at my mother out and they moved
in down below us.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
We lived in a duplex, so we had the top
when they moved into the bottom.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
But then as we you know, when we went to
San Diego, we went to an apartment, and then as
we traveled over the next you know, five and a half.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Years, we stayed in everything.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
From hotels, apartments, motels, inside the van, inside the truck.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
You know, I stole vans.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And trucks with them, and you know, we did a
lot of illegal activity and survived.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
However, he saw fit.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Now, what about lived.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Outside of a U haul truck?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I mean inside of a U haul truck for months?

Speaker 3 (40:37):
And then what about neighbors and stuff like that? Would
they would see all these kids weren't going to school,
You couldn't have been well clothed and well fed. No
one reported this.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Sure, we were always moving, and we were always hyper
vigilant about keeping security as a number one priority. So
I mean that's a.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Whole I write a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I write about all of this stuff in the book,
but that was a that was a big that was
a big security concern and a breach. And we often
moved and women often got beat if they if they
violated any of the security measures that were in place.
And we all learned secret knocks, and we learned how.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
To avoid being followed.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
And we learned how to avoid being seen. We were
we were professionals in this kind of criminal element.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Of this spiritual cult.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
One time in uh.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Las Vegas, after.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Just arriving, he hadn't quite settled in, and we didn't
know what cons we were going to pull, where we
were going to settle in. So each day he sent
me and the other kids. By now there's probably nine
or ten of us who was at the at the
end of the experience, we were sent to this park
every day. We're there for you know, four four day,
four or five days in a row. And he said
that we were there, I noticed a group of women

(41:57):
with several children, maybe maybe five women with five kids
each or something like that, and so, uh they were
they looked to be like a you know, preschool uh
group coming out bringing their kids to the park. So
they saw all of these kids, you know, not in.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
School, and they called Truancy.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Truancy picked us all up, and I was given a
a story to regurgitate to any one that might pick.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Us up, either a stranger or the police.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
And uh so I told the story, and they they
got us all up. But they took us to this
child protective facility and.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
After you know, a couple of hours, they.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Were able to determine that I was the most articulate
and the most normal of these kids. Meanwhile, you have
to understand, like, these kids are born into this cold
by now, so they didn't know anything about this colde right,
and a lot of his a lot of his doctrine
was how evil the police and the establishment and the

(43:05):
FBI are.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Right, So there was a name called them the dragonfly.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
So all these kids are brainwashed into into believing that
all police are bad and that they're dragonflies.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
So they are really kind of crippled with fear by
this group that we've been picked up. I.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Having a more cognitive awareness, having come from you know,
a semi normal world prior to them showing up, was
the one that was kind of the caretaker of.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
The rest of the kids. And so I told this
story that he.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Told me to tell them, and they and the CPS
women were like, you know, finally when I got when,
they isolated me and they took me away from the
rest of the kids and they walked me through the courtyard.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
I saw these kids.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Playing and it was about to be lunchtime, and I
was like, God, you know, if I could just if
I just tell them right now, I am and I
could get away. Right. I stuffered from severe Stockholm syndrome, right,
I was severely brainwashed, and I was afraid.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
So as this.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Woman she's saying to me, you know, okay, so so
my name was Scott. I told myself that was we
all had aliens. So she's like, so, Scott, you know,
tell me again what happened, you know the story?

Speaker 4 (44:23):
So I regard state the story again.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
She said, well, you know, that's just not adding up
to what these other guys are telling us. Scott and
I just want to understand exactly. So now I'm getting
kind of pressured, right, and I'm at this point where
in my mind I'm like, all I have to do
is is tell her there's a speak up. But I can't,
you know, I'm just afraid.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
And it's a big part of this. This is why
I really feel compelled to speak to.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
CPS and organizations like CPS to Protector Services and different
nonprofit organizations and anti trafski communities about the importance.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Of case workers, about the importance of.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Being able to get into a child's world right and
being able to really relate to them. If you can
step into a child's thinking, in a child's world and
dismantle the enormous.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Law of fear.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
That that sits between you, that is the key, that's
the instrumental part and getting kids to open up and
communicate what's going on at home. So this woman, she
was trying to be she was trying to do that,
but she just didn't have the skills, you know, she
just wasn't She just wasn't trained well enough too. And

(45:47):
I felt like she was more of the establishment, more
of an authoritative person. So I didn't I didn't say anything.
And as she was asking me, you know, the phone
ranging and she said okay to the person on the
other end, okay, okay, thank you buy she says, well, Scott,
your father's here to pick you up. So the co

(46:10):
leader had found us and had come to pick us up.
So I didn't get a chance to tell them what
who I was, or what I was dealing with, or
what had.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Happened to be How old were you?

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Let's see, I must have been.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I wanted to say, like nine or ten.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, and this guy could just walk in with no
birth certificate, no paperwork, no nothing, say okay, eddies and
my kids, I'm taking them, yep, Amaze.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
You gotta remember like this, this was, this was a
different time.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
This was pre nine eleven.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
This is pre like any of the of the you know,
security measures and the things.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
That we have to deal with today.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Like I walked back and forth across the Mexican border
by myself. My brother went from from Mexico to San
Diego many times to go grocery, you know, and they
never had question to him. All that you needed, really
to convince a border patrol person at that.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Time was your ability to speak.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Without an accent, right right, Oh, I'm an American and
my mom's right over there.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
That got you over the border.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Now I'm fifty five years old, so I know how
old are you? Yes, yes, I'm very familiar with the
Mexican border as Welson. Okay, this is my biggest time
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(52:22):
you keep mentioning that you guys were pulling these con games.
What kind of cons were you doing?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
So one of them was.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
To like, we would be.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
In Mexico, Mexico City, right, and you know we have
a we have a beautiful, tall white woman with a
young and some green eyed, curly haired mixed kid, and
we would approach tourists and the con like this, Hi,

(53:03):
I'm sorry to bother you. You know, my brother or my sign,
whichever felt more comfortable that day, depending on which woman
I was with.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
We are stranded here.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Our stuff was stolen and we're waiting for our parents
to arrive tomorrow. But we need money and a place, money.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
And or food.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
To get us by until tomorrow when they arrive. And
we'd be happy to repay you if you give us
your naming number at hotel and where you rock. So
that was a very very lucrative con right. And of course,
you know the marks were always most of the Europeans
and Americans, rarely Mexicans because the Mexican people. You know,

(53:52):
in Mexico City, the poverty is you know, too overwhelming,
so they were less like to give to an American
group versus you know, just helping the people on the streets.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
That were begging.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Other cons they did were they would seduce men into
coming back to a hotel, drug them, and take whatever.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Valuables they had. Yeah, there were.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
And then of course you know, cheating, right, stealing anything
and everything that we needed.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
I became a professional thief and then and then yeah
that was.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
And what about the rolling drunks, you know, and taking
people back to the room and thieving, you know, stealing,
picking pockets and stuff like that. You must have had
small charges been picked up on those kinds of things, right,
how come nothing ever came out.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Of that.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Getting picked up well like almost petty charges. You must
have got picked up by the cops every now and
then on those charges. How come no one never did?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Really, And I picked up part of part of why
we were a personally, I was able to.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Not get picked up.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
And let me just back up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
In fact, they were but picked.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Up because two of the women went to prison and
they escaped and when they escaped they found us in Mexico,
and when how could you get busted? When they got
busted for uh, for fraud?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
I think it was identity theft or somebody.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
That was another thing that they did. They had all
kind of state feels from the state of California as
they were making fake IDs and you know, identity theft.
So they got busted, went to jail, but somehow we're
able to track us down in some remote village in
I think we were in Somata at the time, or
maybe Tijuana. But so, and you know, mind you, I am.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Just a little boy at the time.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I saw all of this behavior, and all of these
things are far above of my capacity to understand or catch.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
So all I can do is kind of guess as
to how you know, these.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Women were able to escape jail and find us in
some remote place. And the only thing I could come
up with is that there was an outside source. Either
he was an insformant and he got them off, or
there was other liaisons in the States.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
That was that time.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I had come back already, but I was I was
fourteen and I got busted stealing a cassette tape and
they asked me how old I was, and I was like,
I'm ten. You're not ten. I was like, no, I'm ten.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
And so I was able.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
To convince them not to because you know, when you're fourteen,
you get bus feeling that you go straight to juvenile
all they don't call your parents, that you go straight
to juvie, and then they call your parents, and I
knew that. So I said I was ten, and they
were forced to call my mother, you know, couldn't get me, and.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
That would be one of these other women in the cult.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Go ahead for it again, and that would be one of.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
These other women in the cult who would portray themselves
as your mother.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
No, I'm sorry. So I fast forwarded to a time
when I was actually back at work, because I was
already back by the time I was fourteen.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
But all that to say, I.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Use that example because it just it was another way
in which I.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Was able to avoid being taken to drink at a hall.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, I'm curious about this prison break. You described that
these women were arrested on charges of identity tests, some
kind of fraud chargers. Now where they actually.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
That's what it was, I'm not exactly sure.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, No, do you know if they were actually sending
for in jail in jail, and I know.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
That they escaped, yeah, and and I don't know the
details of their.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Arrest, okay, and you know where they convict and then
serving time in a prison where they were pre sentencing
a pre trial jail winning three sentenced.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I have no idea. See, all I know is that
when they came back there both beaten up and and hurting.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
At one I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
If she fractured her leg or she had a big giant,
you know, hole and blood and it was it was bad.
But I don't know anything.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
About how that could have happened.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I don't know how they found us sally of that.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
So wait, they made this escape from custody in the
United States and California, and with these injuries to their legs,
made it back to some little village in Mexico and
found this cult leader. Yeah. Yeah, there's always something suspecially
whenever you hear about a prison break or a jail break. Man,
there's always something hanky going on with that man ninety

(58:48):
those even though back in the sixties there were some
legitimate organized prison breaks, you know, the Black Liberation Army
and stuff like that. But either come on.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
These are the ones I wouldn't say.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
I don't, I don't.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I don't think that it was prison. I think that
it was some kind of jail And I don't know,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
You know, yeah, it does seem incredible, but.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
You know, I'm just extrapolating what I was seeing as
a as a seven year old kid.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
You know, gotcha? Now, what about prostitution? Was there human
trafficking going on to were you people being prostituted?

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Well, part of the part of one of the one
of the cons was was a prostitution you know, strategy,
but it was it was ended up being too dangerous
for the women, so.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
That was abandoned.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Okay, Because I'm curious if there's that any kind of
blackmail thing kind of going on too, like where he
would blackmail people, and what was he doing with all
these fake ideas that I was aware of, And what
was he doing all the fake ideas and the fake
equipments selling them?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
He was he was using them to to set up
I don't know, bank accounts or whatever, ordering things. I
don't I don't really know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
It's all very because you were so young, it's all
very mysterious.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
How did you? I guess we're to the point now
where you start escaping. How'd you escape? Did you were
the previous attempts to escape before you finally got away?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
No, No, I didn't. I was. I was very much,
and I'm not going to tell you how I did it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
You'll have to read the book.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Okay, Well, okay, but somehow you managed to? Uh. I
usually warn people about it. But okay, but because people
will buy the book.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I don't want to give too many spoiler alerts and
give me a lot of good, juicy information, I want
to keep some of the of the mystery.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
There for more people to read.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Okay, there's a there's a bigger over arching message in
the book that I think people really appreciate it when
they and they work their way.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Through it from front to back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I got you, and I trust me. I want you
to sell books too, because it's in my bookstore. I
want to get a commission on those books too as well.
And I have the theory that if you tell people
when they get engrossed the story, they'll buy the book anywhere.
But I know some people think, you know, I don't
want tell everything. Okay, that's fine. Now what about night you?
So you get away? How did you? How did you
survive when you got away? You're the fourteen year old kid,
how did you? Where'd you live? Where'd you stay on

(01:01:10):
the street.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
So, when I was twelve years old, I made my
way back. I found my mother and I lived with her,
and she took me up into the mountains of northern
California and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
We lived up there for about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
I guess it was the summertime of nineteen eighty three,
two weeks before my twelfth birthday. I got back and yeah,
so we moved.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Up to the country.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
And I was telling her, like, I don't want to
live in the country. I want to go back to Berkeley,
and I want to see my friends. You know, had
I had a huge community of people that knew me
and loved me, and I had friends that I wanted
to reunite with. And I say, and I, so, I

(01:01:56):
I want to go to school.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
I want to know how to read and write.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
She was reluctant about it because number one, and I'm
just guessing she didn't want me to talk about it,
which later she forbid me to talk about what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
But two, she didn't believe in the public school system.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So, you know, she discouraged me from going to school.
She was like, you can learn how to read and
write on your own, don't go to school. And I
was like, no, I want to go to school. So
I was twelve years old. I came back and I
was enrolled into the fifth grade, having never been to
school before.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Well, when the kids in the class like laughed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
At me because I didn't know how to spell Mexico
after I had just returned from Mexico, we gave them
some story I was in Mexico at mountaincle or something.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
I was more determined than ever to teach.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Myself how to read and write. So I spent long
hours writing the alphabet over and over ABCD with no
you know, so that my penionship would be legible, but
with no understanding of grammar or punctuation.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I didn't want to go back to school because it
was it was embarrassing. I was ashamed, and I was
suffering from.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Severe posts or badic stress.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
And so part of my rebellion against that that forbidden fruit,
I consumed copious amounts.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Of this horrible, horrible poison sugar.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Other manifestations of this of this PTSD where when I
got back, I didn't want to live in I didn't
want to sleep in an open space. I was kept
in the closet when I was gone, So when I
came back, the only place I felt safe.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Was in the closet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
And it wasn't until my friends came over and they
were like, why don't sleep?

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
They were like blown.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Away, They were like shocked and like just just in
awe of the fact that I had made a closet
in my bedroom. And you know other manifestations where I
couldn't sleep at night because I mean I slept like
with one eye opened, because you know, I could at
any moment the kick, slap, punt, whipped, have water poured

(01:04:21):
on my body in the middle of the night.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
So I had to I couldn't. I didn't sleep well,
so be or I had to stand.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Up for you eighteen twenty hours a day facing the wall.
I seeing a corner facing the wall. So at nighttime
when I when I got back, when I tried to
go to sleep, I needed this pressure on my feet,
so I would have to like stand for an hour
before I could finally like get enough tire to go

(01:04:50):
to sleep. So I'm dealing with all of this. I
am trying to assimilate into culture and people. Right. I'm
a master at hiding what I'm going through, right, And
I have this facade on the outside, I'm perfectly normal

(01:05:10):
and happy and funny and engaging. And none of the
people that me at a kid knew what had happened
to me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
They thought I was just a fun, loving.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Happy, go lucky kid all the way up until my
So I wrote this book.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
People are still calling me and going, oh my god,
I didn't know, you know how. They're just blown away
because I was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I was hiding this, this hair, this horrible secret, with
shame and pain and sorrow and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Hurt as my motivators. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I couldn't read or write as sure as you know what.
Didn't want anybody to know that. So I hid from
humanity in that way.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
But I also we were super poor.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I had no clothes and my mother was on welfare,
and I had to figure out a way how to
how to survive. So I stole and I tell drugs.
I became a drug jill. That's how I learned how
to do maths, because I was doing kilos of cocaine
when I was you know, seventeen years old. But from

(01:06:18):
from you know, thirteen to fourteen fifteen, I was in
and out of my mom's house, mainly on the streets, hustling, CouchSurfing.
Sometimes I slept in you know, abandoned cars. There was
this there was this enterprise rent a car place next
to a friend's house, and I would go and sleep in.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Those cars, you know, at night.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Sometimes they were locked and I have to sleep in
the backyard. But many nights of homeliness, homelessness and CouchSurfing.
And then finally, when I started making money as a
as a as a dealer, you know, I could I
could pay for hotel rooms and you know other ways,
I had girlfriends.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
So I was on the street.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Surviving, and meanwhile, you know, keeping a secret while trying
to teach myself.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
How to read and write and those other things.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
So let's see when after you know that after the
fifth grade, I didn't go to the sixth or seventh grade.
I just went straight to the eighth grade because all
of because of my age, I was too embarrassed to
go backwards right, and I was too ashamed to let
people know of what was going on.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
And I was forbidden to talk about it. So I
used the same.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Skill that I had long since developed while I was gone,
which is, you know, a heightened an acute observational awareness
and heightened psychological understanding of my environment. So I was
able to communicate in a powerful way with a fairly
large vocabulary as a as a thirteen fourteen year old,

(01:07:58):
and my teachers were they were confused, Like they saw
that I was incredibly bright, They saw that I was
incredibly engaging, and I could communicate with them on a
level far superior than my peers. But I couldn't do
any of the work, couldn't write any of the papers.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
I couldn't understand, I couldn't do any of the reading.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
And I was able to pass because of a broken
school system and because of my wit and charm. I
ran into my eighth grade history teacher years later and
I told him, you know who I was and what
happened when I was dealing with the time. He was like,
we couldn't figure you out. We had meetings, you know,

(01:08:37):
or teacher meetings about you, because we just didn't know
what was going on. He told me that I tested
the second lowest score.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
In the date on some tests I was given. I
remember what it was. I was like, wow, so well
you know what life.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Can because listen, sure kids that are abused and neglected
have higher verbe skills and higher cognitive problem solving skills,
and then they ever should. Now if I know that,
how come these stages don't know they have a whole
meeting and they're not aware of this.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
These are the kids you got to look out for
again again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
You know it's there was a different time in nineteen eighties.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
You know that was thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah, I kind of knew this in the eighties. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
So you know the school system is broken, right yeah?
And you know there are many cases where kids fall.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Between the cracks. And I wasn't falling between the cracks.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
I was purposely seeking the cracks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
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Oh really, but a little bit slave traffickings.

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On Welcome back to the Opperaman Report. I'm your host,
Private investigator at Opperman. We're here today with Jabali Smith.
The website is Jabalismith dot com. But also he has
a foundation called well Child Foundation dot com and you
can catch them too. Coming up in Los Cantos, California
at the Rotary Club on June twelfth, to be speaking

(01:15:33):
about his book and giving an inspirational speak talk there
June twelfth. Real quick, I want to go out of
sequence a little bit here, just a little bit about
your trek from Mexico to California to and when you
found your mother? Now, did you have money on you?
Did you take a bus? How'd you make your way?

(01:15:55):
A little kid like that?

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
We had already come back to the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Okay, okay, yeah, my.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Brother made his way from Mexico City back to Berkeley, California.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
In nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
One.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
I think it was by himself at twelve years old.
Imagine that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
I can't imagine. How did he do it? Did he
have money on him?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Yeah, because we had been connie and selling incense? Gotcha?
And he he was he was secretly stealing money because
he was old enough to figure out that this guy
was just a man. That I was still kind of convinced.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
But then when I as I got older and I
say about the same age as my brother, I.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Started realizing it. Why does this guy say ow?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Why do I speak better Spanish than own? The creator,
god of the entire universe?

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Gotch?

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
Why do his knees hurt?

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Gotcha? Gotcha? Now, now you were talking about your high
school education. Though now you mentioned before that you had
good jobs. It's always been good employment. Did you get
into a college education? What happened there? Did you graduate
high school?

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I essentially I hijacked college education when I was nineteen,
I had a girlfriend that went to cal Berkeley. She
had a major in psychology and a minor in sociology.
And I went to all of her lectures, but I
couldn't do the work. But I learned orally because of

(01:17:36):
because that's how That's how I learned, not knowing you
know how to how to read or write.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
I've learned just for auditorily.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
So so I kind of hijacked an education from cal Berkeley.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
So but you never actually had a degree.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
No, I never got a degree. I never graduated high school.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
I only have three years of actual think three and
a half or four years actual schooling.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Okay, And then you mentioned that you had really good employment.
What kind of employment did you have?

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
I was an environmental consultant.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
How do you get that without of college education.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
The same skills that allowed me to survive the street,
skills that got me out of the carrious situations, are
the same skills that gave me the belief that I
could and can achieve anything I set my mind to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Yeah, I totally a quick.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Story, kind of out of sequence. When I was nine
years old, I had an out of body experience. I
was in Cornerbackua, Mexico, and it was.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
During a terrible, terrible storm.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
I was being kept in a closet and I had
a terrible flu exacerbated by the cold wind that blew
under the close the door against my naked body.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
And this one night thunder was rocking the house. There
was a power outage.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
The shuttered or smashing against the glass and blowing off.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Their hinges, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Was awoken, awakened, excuse me, by the rattle of my door.
I thought someone was coming into my closet, and it
was in fact just the wind.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
But I woke up dehydrated.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
And weak and malnourished, and I knew.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
That I had to get something into my body. But
I was also terrified because I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Was forbidden to leave the closet, and I didn't know
if I did, I would be punished.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
But instincts told me that if I didn't get some
water or something into my system, I was going to die.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
So I made my way out of the closet with
as much strength as I could muster, and I walked
down this extremely long corridor, momentarily illuminated by lightning flashes,
making me feel like the journey was just never ending.
It was cold and sweaty and hot and naked, and

(01:20:18):
it was it was bad.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
I'm sure I had a fever over a hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
I got to the kitchen, opened a refrigerator door and
was relieved to see a bottle of apple juice. I
picked up the bottle of apple juice, barely able to
lift it to my lips.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
I was so weak I had to position.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
My elbow against my rib and placed the bottle on
top of my hand and kilt my entire body back
just to musk.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Just to get it into my mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
I guzzled as much as I could, and the ex
that dripped down my cheeks and onto my chest. And
in the midst of guzzling as much as I could
get in, I thought, oh no, I better stop, because
they're going to notice.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
That the juice is missing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
So I reluctantly fought to put the juice back.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
Shuffled my way back to the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Closet, and upon entering, I was kicked from behind, and
I was too weak to put my hands up, and
I smashed against the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Closet wall and fell to the floor. He began to
kick me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
And it was in that moment, it was in my
darkest hour where I found my greatest streight. And that
moment is when I came out of my body and
I looked down at him, and I looked at me

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beneath his foot, and in.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
That moment.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I realized I was an overwhelming because of peace came
over me and quiet, and I realized that I was
connected to some power, some force that was unseeable by
the naked eye and untouchable by hand, but something.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
That I was connected to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
And as I looked at my body from this painless peace,
you know, I realized that nothing they did to my body,
and nothing that they labored to brainwash into me so
diligently could ever reach this place.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
I had discovered the strength.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Of the human spirit, right of my spirit. And I
knew in that moment that I was going to survive,
that I was going to make it back home to
Berkeley somehow, some day, some way. And I had carried
that strength with me ever since, and I have used
it to teach myself how to read and write, I

(01:23:06):
use it to speak a second language. I use it
to earn a six figure income, to buy a home,
to become a loving, kind and gentle father. And I
use it today to navigate the post traumatic stress that
I still deal with, right which is how we kind

(01:23:30):
of started this conversation with that depression and celebrating it
and drawing from the inner strength, and drawing from the
strength that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
I was shown that I had that night in that closet, and.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Back to the seasonal depression that no one in your
life noticed, this seasonal depression that you had, because that's
such an again, such a basic many people suffered that
many you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Yeah, I mean I laughed because because you know, there
was nothing normal and there was nothing I wasn't. I
wasn't even on the radar.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
You have to understand, no one reported me missing. I
was gone for six years.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
So there's there was no access to to what we
understand as normal.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
None of people missing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
I've lived in the invisible world of of of forgotten children.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Now I understand that. But when you were an adult,
you said you were suffering from seasonal depression, and people
in your life, people were your coworkers, your friends, your neighbors,
didn't notice. Hey, uh, Javali, this happens every winter. You know,
this happens every year. No one picked up on it.
The doctors you had you had a good six f
your income, looked at the doctor because yeah, you had
medical insurance.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Yeah. Uh well at that point, by the time, by
the time I was, I was had successfully like built
a career. Yeah, I had already you know, been diving
into countless books around healing and transformation and growth. You know,

(01:25:06):
so I taught myself this stuff. I taught myself about
seasonal I no one ever, there was no therapist to say, oh,
you're suffering from PTSD and you know, blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
That's all. That's all because I sought it out.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
But you know, you have to understand too, Like I
came from the streets. So my friends were drug dealers
and pushers and pimped.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Right, that was my influence.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
And now if we're we're talking about my adult life,
my friends I had, I had an incredible wall of
impenetrable secrecy that I wasn't sharing who I was or
what I had been through I had.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
I had everybody foo.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
So when I so when my friends, you know, they
saw me.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Losing it or.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Being depressed or or or you know, to disappearing, they
were like, you know, they we all we came from
from the tribe of every man, from wild wolves. So
if I was going to think and not make it,
you know, my friends are like, too bad for you?

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Or do something about it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
That makes sense?

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Yes, as it does. And did you ever go into
treatment though therapy for your for this that trauma? He
went through.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
No, I healed myself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Okay that And now your goal now is what are
you doing with the foundation.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
So the foundation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Is my commitment to children that have suffered like I did.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
And what I found was that through.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Music, dance, theater, yoga, and martial arts as well as
cognitive art and music therapy children or I was able
to access an understanding of self love and an understanding
of self pride and my ability. And when I was

(01:27:16):
coming up, I was not learning in the conventional way obviously,
So when I figured out that I had this kind
of athletic ability and this physical ability, it gave me
self confidence.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
It helped in my self competence, and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
So I really believed that children who suffer trauma need.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
A foundation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Of belief in themselves right found through martial arts yoga,
So martial arts for the body, yoga for the mind.
Obviously the cognitive therapy part is also for the mind.

(01:28:04):
But but that recipe and the combination of those different
art forms were instrumental in my healing and my accomplishments.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
So I want to give that back.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
And what now You mentioned before that you were raised
Jehovah's witness. Are you still Jehovah's witness.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Now, no, I wasn't raised Jehovah's was. My father was
a Jehovah's witness.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
My father wasn't raised.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
What it was, I wasn't raised with my father?

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Okay? And what is your relationship with Famin?

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
No h, we have a good relationship. We You know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I sought him out when I was about nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
I was on this journey.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
So I set out on a journey of self discovery
and healing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
It wasn't you know, happenstance right?

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
I was?

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
I was seeking healing. I was seek and I and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Through my hijacking of that Cal Berkeley Psychology and Sociology.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
Class, I knew.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
That there was a there was a way to find
my way out of the darkness. And so I sought
out my father to.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Get a sense of.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
My bloodline, right, and why I was the way I was,
and how I who my people were, And so we
were able to nurture a relationship and partially also motivated
not so much for the sake of our relationship, that

(01:29:38):
for the sake of my siblings. I have four siblings
on my father's side, who I loved dearly and who
I wanted to make sure that they knew me and
that we would have a relationship as we as we
got older. So I sought them out, I sought out
my father, and we were able to cultivate it relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
So now and now what is the focus of well,
child are you? Are you helping children that are in
cults or just abused in general?

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Children that have been abused in general?

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Yeah? And coming from your experience, now do you do
you kind of spot this thing? Like and I remember,
like when because my childhood wasn't that great. Nothing, like
you already trust me, but it wasn't that great, you know.
But when you start raising your own kids, you start thinking,
oh my god, what were my parents thinking? You know,
when I was the sage that they used to see?

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
So did that when you were raising your own kids?
Did that bring back a lot of these traumatic memories
and stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
No, because I had already processed.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
It, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
But what it did do was it really forced me
to be hyper aware of my inner dialogue and who
I was being as a man and who I would
be as a father, and to be extremely cognizant of
any kind of trigger, any kind of post traumatic sensations around,

(01:31:10):
you know, children's vulnerability or my own vulnerability. And so
as I, as I began the journey of fatherhood, I
knew that the real challenge was going to be after
six years old. So from six to twelve was were

(01:31:33):
the years that I pre prepared myself for as the
years that would be the most challenging, right, because those.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Were the years where my.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Reality was so scarred. And I can say happily that
through the work that I've done on myself and through
my commitment to really building my life on a foundation

(01:32:08):
of love and compassion and forgiveness, I was able to
pass down.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
To my son.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Love and compassion, forgiveness, patience.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
And generosity in a way that well, he's he's fourteen now,
so the jury is still out, but I think I've
I think we're doing pretty good. He's an amazing human
being and he's just well rounded. And you know, this
is the one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Place, right I like to brag because my mother what
an amazing human being. And it was due to you know,
in part obviously it's a two a two person job,
and it was due in part to that commitment from
myself and also his mother's trust in me. And her
ability to to talent as well.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Okay, and before we I got a little off track
when on I thought that you were raised at Jehovah's witness.
Do you have a faith?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Now? I do not have a religion that I subscribe to,
but I do believe.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
In a higher power.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
And whatever that force was, whatever that connection was that
I connected.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
To that night, is the force that has.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Given me the strength and the ability to navigate the
world in a healthy, happy and positive way.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
And when I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Doubt, I bend my knees to that power and that force,
and I draw on the strength that it inspired me with.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
And the seasonal depression, Now, how do you cope with that? Now?
What do you do to treat that?

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Like I said, so that was two years ago when
my mother died and I had that and I excited
what I.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
Would do, And since then.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
It is dissipated to nearly a non existent place. Oh wait, no, actually,
so yeah, I have a little story about that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
So let's say last.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Year, same time, same things are coming up, right, But
they were, they were showing up in different ways. It
wasn't like there was no job that I was going
to quit, and there was there was no.

Speaker 4 (01:34:23):
There was no.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Drugs or alcohol because I don't indulge like that anymore. So,
but I was I was getting challenged by my relationships
and I was having I was I was having this
impatience around people that are in my life that that
uh were not h at being reciprocal in what I

(01:34:49):
thought I was offering to the relationships. So but you
was happening, right, and my book release. As a matter
of fact, my book was released last year in October,
and that was that time, and man, things were showing up.
And I really believe that like we are the creators
of our lives, we are the architects of our existence,

(01:35:12):
and we are the producers, the directors, and the stars
of our own personal journeys, and we have the power
to determine how our life is and what we do
and how we respond to the circumstances of our lives.
So I was trying. I was trying to self destruct subconsciously,

(01:35:34):
mind you, right, because.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
I was trying to keep in.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
I was trying to keep the familiar pattern going. So
I did this really stupid thing where I climbed up
onto this ladder, knowing that there was a risk of
me falling, and I fell, I got the flu. My
relationships with key people that I love in my life
were you know, very very challenging, and it was all

(01:36:00):
of these things I was creating. Essentially, my subconscious mind
was creating these situations in order to have me be
consistent with who I.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Had always been, and who had always been was.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Someone that broke down during this time of year. Now
I had my book, launched, my first talk ever. You know,
I had three hundred people showing up, like all these things,
all this pressure, and I was being faced and challenged
with this depression, and I recognized.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
It in the midst of this event.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
And I was like, this is my behavior, this is
my habit, and I am committed to celebrating this time
of year, celebrating my mother's life, celebrating how far I've come,
And no matter what happens, no matter what I'm dealing with,
no matter how my feelings or my perception of my
environment is, I'm going to follow through and commit and

(01:36:54):
complete this journey of completing this book and all of
my obligations around it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
So I was successfully.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Able to live and be bigger than my depression had
been in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
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Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
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Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
The book is called Slave and there's a link in
the Opperman Report bookstore. I was just looking on Amazon
right now, there's twenty three reviews. Every review is a
five review. Uh, hey, you got another book coming up?
Another book? And that you think.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
I'm working on another book right now. Yes, it's be
out there for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Now, well, definitely when it is, give me a call.
We'll put your back on here.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Now, what about this, uhh, this cult leader, this William
Brumfield of Richard Thorn. Whatever became of him? Was he
ever arrested? They die of old age, and it's what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
He's he So my sister attempted to prosecute him. Okay, great,
but Stay of Cawlifornia could not prosecute him due to
statutory limitation. Yeah, they just changed octually. Essentially, he got
away scott free and it dying somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
I don't know where. I don't know where it is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
I could probably track him down if I wanted to,
just because.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
I know how.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
But I also confronted him about what happened. But you
can read about that in my book.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Okay, And what about have you heard from any so
he's still alive this guy today?

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
I think he is still alive.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
Okay, I'll take a look into that. Now, Now, what
about the other kids in this culture, the other members
of the cult since the books come out? Has anybody content?

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
So it's the nineteen eighty three I think I want
to say it was another I was back in, Yeah,
so like eighty three eighty four. It was an article
written in Sampsonisco Chronicle, And if you go to.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
My website, I think he can see it there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
It's about how this cult and who they are, and there's.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Pictures of them and everything, and they they were some
kids were found in a van that had been an
abandoned van.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
The van that these.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Kids were found in by CPS was the van that I.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
Stole years later, for years earlier, excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Me, in eight seventy nine, eighty eighty one, maybe so
a lot of the kids were taken from them and
put into child protection services. Some of them were already
old enough they were my age, so they didn't They
weren't in the van that day, and so they continued
to live with this guy, and I had.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
I'd run into them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
The two eldest boys, which who were my age. I've
seen them several times over the last you know, fifteen years,
maybe maybe three or four times over the last of
ten years, and they seemed to be just as.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
I say this. You know, I always felt like they
were a little bit mentally.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Impaired, and so they seem to have that same.

Speaker 10 (01:45:08):
Kind of impairment about them. But you know, having learned
how to navigate the cracks again, so to speak.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
To the extent of their health or their where they
live or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
So so out of all these other kids, you've only
run into two of them.

Speaker 8 (01:45:32):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
Ps, Still, there's more, there's more to the story. So uh.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Okay. So my mother was.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Unbeknownst to me, and you can read about this in
the book.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
She was she still had a relationship with.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Them long when I got back, and she was secretly
in communication.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
With these with these people.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
And I found out that a bunch of them, a
bunch of the kids, had come in from playing tennis, and.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
They grabbed what they thought was.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
Iced tea off to the kitchen counter and began to
consume this liquid. And the liquid was an ayahuasca concentrate.
So five of the kids never returned to sanity after

(01:46:29):
drinking the ayahuasca. Wow, if you know anything about ayahuasca,
it's a medicine. It's a hulucinogenic medicine from the Amazon,
which is used in ceremony to maybe a week in
one's spirit animal. There's a whole. There's a whole you
know tradition that I'm not very familiar with around ayahuasca.

(01:46:50):
But the amounts that you drink are no half a tablespoon,
and they were guzzling it. So many of the them
are in fact today in Berkeley wandering the streets, fluttering
their index finger against their lips.

Speaker 4 (01:47:12):
They stand on the corner and out into space.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
What a story, man. Yeah, yeah, And you know, you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Know what I've what I've just in all of it,
in all of the studdeny and I've done, in all
of the the introspection that I've done, I've come.

Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
To an understanding which.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Was was very liberating, and it was this, we all
have a story, and we're all dealing with something, and
we all.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
Have faith that dark night of the soul, and.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
If we can extend a little bit of passion toward
our fellow humans in those.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
Moments of challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
Like when you on the street and someone being a
jerk or someone cuts you off, or somebody's not paying attention.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
It's in those moments.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
Where a little bit of compassion and a little bit
of patience and understanding for our fellows human beings will
go a very, very long way, because you never know
what the person next to you is dealing with and
what they have on their plates.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Yeah, that's so true, And it's funny because I was
just talking about the same thing right before we started
the show. Since I've become vegan, you know, and I've
totally given up a meat us, you're thinking just changes
so much, you know, your whole you two, you're a
vegetarian as well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
I've been a vegetarian and not for many years. I see.
I'm very I agree, but I'm I'm healthy, healthily helf conscious.
So I watched what.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
I Yeah, but I just since I've been detox from
all that meat and stuff like that. Just the other
day I had to kill kill you know. There this
big giant cricket was running around my bathroom, you know,
and it was half dead anyway, you know, but when
I picked it up the throat and the toilet, you know,
I could feel the life in this little thing, saying,
oh my God, you know I'm gonna I'm taking the
life of this little cricket. Look like who would care?

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
But I do it in the toilet anyway. But I
did feel it. I found it did effect you. So
I guess I'm evolving in some ways. We only got
a couple of minutes. Stuff, what do you want to
leave us with? Man, what do you want to leave
us with? To summon this up?

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Well, you know I would. I would say, like, that's
a perfect example. Is like, you know, having reverence there
for life, right, even if it's a cricket, can become
reverence for one's own life, and reverence for others, which.

Speaker 4 (01:49:54):
Can become.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
Compassion and compass.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
Can become forgiveness.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
And what I found to be the truth for myself
and what's helped me navigate the world, and what's helped me.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
And what helps.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Continue to help me do the thing that I do
is a commitment to love and compassion and forgiveness and
really sharing that with the world.

Speaker 4 (01:50:22):
And like I said earlier, you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Know, whenever I commit to something, the universe or the
creator says, oh, really.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
Well you want it? You love, compassion and forgiveness.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Is that what you're saying, well, here is a wonderful
opportunity for you to practice that love, compassion and forgiveness
with this gentleman on the street.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
Who you know has a problem with you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Right, So, I think if we can, if we can
all take that moment and take that extra minute to
extend some compassion to our fellows human beings, then we
can begin to heal our ourselves and our brothers and sisters.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
That's so true, And forgiving us is so important, it's
so important. Why don't you tell the audience how they
can get hold of you, how they can find you,
and stuff like that, and your website and all those
kind of things.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Sure again, So the title of the book is Slave,
a Human trafficking survivor finds Life. You can find me
at Jabalismith dot com. That's J A B A L I, S.
M I T H dot com. You can also go
to the well Child Foundation dot com well Child Foundation

(01:51:32):
dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
All one word.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
And I'd be happy to, you know, respond and talk
and interact with anyone that has any questions or comments.
I'm open to uh to learning and growing and developing
our ways through to this sometimes and often challenging experience.
Called being a human gene.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
Yeah, and don't forget you can go meet them in
person June twelve at the Roadway Club in Lostos, California,
and give them something to forgive you for. How's that
when you when you meet YOUIVALI, I give him give
him some good love and some good uh some good,
good good vibes. Thank you so much, Jabali. Okay, if
there's an next book comes out and give me a call.

Speaker 4 (01:52:14):
Put you on here, right, I'd love to thank you
so much for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
Thank you so much, Jabali Smith, Jabalismith dot com. What
a story. Okay, I'm gonna be doing a little after
show about this little commentary. I'm gonna have a lot
to say, uh, fascinating story when you hear this thing
little me in about the the connections of black panthers
and the prison break and even the hyahuasca and all
this and it just it makes you wonder. Right, So
we're we're gonna be going into all that, uh and uh,

(01:52:42):
a lot of different stuff here, Okay, So, but thank
you so much, Jabali Smith. I really recommend the book.
If you go on Amazon, you'll see all the different
commentary on it. Everybody says, it's a really good book.
If you like this show and you like this little
commentary I'm gonna do after this. It's in the operaman
Report dot com members section, which our friends and Shane
over there in Ireland has been updating, working these little

(01:53:03):
Irish fingers to the bone as a little green leppercount
fingers who're working on the nub. As he works away
on his website, he's been updating things. He's updating the documents.
We just added some Jeffrey Epstein documents that just came
into my hands last night. The FBI the same day,
by the way, coincidental, right same day that Trump is

(01:53:24):
throwing his nose at the Adjustice Department and then the
FBI about who is this confidential format you got? I'm
going to send my staff over there and listen to
this briefing. And as the same day, the FBI drops
this document dump on the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, which
by the way, I mentioned Trump in there. Okay, it's
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(01:53:46):
also all kinds of stuff that mentioned. They're investigating cases
in New York and Santa Fe, San Juan they're visiting witnesses,
they're taking statements, they're serving target letters on other people
in the Jeffrey Epstein case. So there we're supposed to
be many, many arrests in that case. They've all got
negotiated down. But maybe maybe maybe it's all coming back

(01:54:07):
up to the surface. Maybe your poke a bear too
much when you get away with something like that and
things blow up in your face. And according to Pierce
read me. He's telling me that that that NTI, that
entertainment lawyer the Confessions of whatever the website is. Everybody
thinks he's an entertainment lawyer, and noybody's fascinated with it.
Gotta be somebody I've run into it. But anyway, he's

(01:54:30):
claiming that Deshowitz has been meeting with Epstein again in private, secretly.
If it is the person who I'm starting to suspect,
maybe then entertainment lawyer additional that concept there that would
make sense because all this stuff is very close to
the small world, you know, And the more I get involved,
the more I see my ia is opening up to
what I see going on. But thank you so much,

(01:54:50):
Jabalismith Jebalismith dot com and the well Child Foundation dot com.
The book is called Slave and you'll find it in
the Operating Report bookstore. And don't forget our member section.
We're getting towards the end of the month. You've got
to raise those funds to pay all the bills. You
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(01:55:11):
a discount thirteen months for sixty bucks. Email me directly
at operaman Report at gmail dot com. I I've been
working some cases lately, so I've got some Anyway, we'll
talk about that later. I'll talk about it a little bit
in the after show member section, and we'll be talking
about this whole case with this own Love Commune and

(01:55:34):
the Sexual Freedom League. I'm going to be doing a
little research into that myself. See if this guy still
maybe we get him to come on a show.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
How's that?

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
That was Ueye Newton's mentor and then he's running a
sex cult and no one seems to know what's going on.
Give me a break. Thank you so much, Jabali Smith
and your book Slave in the member section, and I'll
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