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Jake Grant Interviews Ed Opperman bout the Pennsylvania grand jury investigation in the pedophile priests that names 300 sexual predator priests and 1000 child victims.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sexual miscon history of sexual misconduct in the Catholic Church
that has been covered up for many, many years. This
is a very serious topic, very heavy, and of course
I'm pleased to welcome on the show to discuss this
with me Ed Opperman. Welcome tonight, ct Ed.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, mister Grant, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Now, now, this topic, I think is is something that
is affordable people's minds just because it's now going out
over the mainstream media, and I think it's really important
that we break down. You've done a lot of research
already into kind of the documents behind this event that's
going on concurrently, and also how it ties in politically.

(00:41):
There's a lot of sexual misconduct that's going on and
a lot of cover up that goes to protect these pedophiles,
which is awful. And I think bringing this to the
forefront making people realize how real it is and how
dangerous the situation is for children and people that are
in these circles, and I think that's why it's so important. So, Ed,

(01:02):
what are your first thoughts about this situation, especially when
it first started to hit the news there with the
jury going against these priests, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Ah boy, my f thoughts, well, when I first heart
about this grand Jury report that came out, you know,
and it was all over the news. Three hundred priests,
one thousand victims, you know, you know right away you think, well, boy,
you're great. You know it's something they're doing something here.
Isn't this wonderful? Then I started looking into it, and

(01:34):
you see that even with three hundred priests, and if
you read the report itself, or at least the first
sixteen pages, the introduction the grand jury themselves, see there's
a lot more priests involved in three hundred, and there's
a lot more victims. There's same, thousands more victims. But
then you'll look a little deeper and you see that
there's only been two arrests, and it's business as usual

(02:00):
even with this report, and the grand jury seems so
sincere if you read the whole thing, they really want
to make some changes. And they talk in plain, simple
English too. It's not legal ease. So that's my thinking.
It's just business as usual, even with this great grand
Jury report.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
And the big press conference and all that.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Now, for those who are where of the city, it
could have a short of what's all this came to
this that there was this beyond and do you know
that who's really heard owing attention to the news and
what the city going on?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well in two thousand scene, I know the grand jury
and state of papany to look on this abuse that
I think it's six different dice panting and they're you know,
to heart and they even you listen very hard. You
don't get paid a lot of money. And what they
discovered is, you know, like I said, three hundred priests.
They named three hundred priests that going back from nineteen
sixty four until the present. So many of these cases

(02:54):
are beyond the statute of limitations, which means that the
crime plus it's long ago that you can no longer
enforce the laws, which is a good policy. I want
the statutation of the laws because you know, if you're
accused of something I had twenty years, Hey, how can
I put on the defense? I don't have my documents.
I don't have you know, you come back twenty years later,
you want to accuse me, playing of that. I'm a

(03:15):
defense mistigator. I'm usually work for that. I have a
soft spore for the defense. It's three hundred priests that
they named that were involved in US and a thousand
victims now.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
And only to arrests. You know, if you.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Look charge this nine hundred page grand jury report.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's horrific.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Okay, there's I don't know how much you want to
get into, man, but there was this one thing about
this priest grooming middle school kids to engage in oral
sex with him, and he was teaching them about how
Mary Virgin Mary, you know, the mother of Jesus had
to put the umbilical cord, and how she had licked

(03:56):
Jee's clean and can team was used to groom these
these t Septal six. There's another case where a priest
confessed and he says, I did I move, Please help.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Me, and rather than him, they covered it up.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Now and it's widespread UH covers where the orange giasis
first puts their their reputation before the thems in many
cases looking up for hiring private investigators to dig.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Up dirt on these victims.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
There was another case where a priest again confessed and
he was removed, you know, after significant the bad behavior.
And but then after he was removed from the priest stood,
they gave him a letter of recommendation so he can
go get a job at Disney World. The the it's

(04:46):
so outrageous, it's beyond your brain can't accept your brain
can't can't function when you're when you're reading this, how
outrage it is.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, so this information is almost shocking people who come here.
Our churchgoers, people who are part of the Catholic Church.
They look at these men, these priests as their leadership
there for example of how they should be walking out
their faith life. And so for them comprehend that these
men are fallible, you know, these evil defray.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Creatures that pray children. It's shot to a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, I grew up in a Catholic church. I grew
up in a Catholic church in the Bronx, a Blessed Sacrament.
I went to grammar School, Blessed Sacrament School, Blessed Sacrament Church.
It's the same school that soda may air. The Supreme
Court justice came out of one of our cardinals that
came out of our church later on had these same
type of allegations against him. I didn't witness anything there

(05:48):
by firsthand.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I do kind of recall some of.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
The kids who were older boys saying to me just
kind of like groaning when they would see the priests
and say like, oh, and I'd say, well, what I said,
I'm thinking about becoming an ulti boy. And they said, oh,
you don't want to do this, you don't want to
get involved. And so I look back at that, I wonder.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
When I moved from the Bronx, from Blessed Sacrament to
Saint Clair's Grammar School on Staten Island, there was a
priest there. Man, I command, dude, let me tell you something.
One of the first days I was in this school,
and I was a street kid from the Bronx. Suddenly
in this this all white neighbor in Stanton Island, this
white Catholic school on Staten Island, and there was this

(06:32):
bald headed priest who shaved his head, which was very
unusual back This was like seventy four, seventy five, very unusually.
Kojak was you know, now everybody shaves their head, but
this boll this priest would have shaved head, bald shaved head,
used to grab the young boydlock and like start massaging
them and talk to them face to face with his face,
with his met his mouth. And I saw this and

(06:55):
I'm never doing this to me.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Man, it's not going to go meet with this, but
just so.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
But everyone just woked it so other so and so
that's just how he is.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Ha ha.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
And even today looking back, you know, I talked to
people who went to that she said, Oh, they went
wrong with him, don't know. It's totally unacceptable behavior. I
wouldn't accept it if you went up to my kid and
started doing that, you know, or if I did that
to your kid, No one would accept this. But for
some reason, like you said, these priests are treated like
a greater than walking on watar.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I mean, I understand people want to see the best
and especially the people that they respect the most. But
it's allowing a door to be opened for these predators
to absolutely have the environment that they can pray in
children and get away with it. And oh man, just
really just shocking, really is what it is.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, and we see now that it's systemic, you know
what I mean, It's systemic across to the church as
far as the Vatican. You know, we were talking about rat Singer,
the Pope Benedict, last pope, which was unusual for pope
to ever resign.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
It's never happened in my lifetime.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I've never heard of that. You know, suddenly we have
popees resigning. But this guy, we were just talking off
the air man and his brother ran the Vatican choir.
Rat Singer's brother, Pope Benedict's brother ran the Vatican choir
and there was a scandal there where there were two
hundred these choir boys were molested over the course of

(08:25):
the Vatican choir. There's no way that the Rat Singer
wouldn't be aware of this, you know, the sheer number.
You know, there's no way on the face of the
earth you can have two hundred kids in acquired being
molested and word not getting around that you're not hearing
about this. It's just it's impossible. And the same thing
in the state at Pennsylvania, which is such a small

(08:45):
state and there's only six archdices there. You know that
three hundred victims, I mean three hundred priests they're covering
up for and a thousand documented victims, and they're saying
there could be thousands more. There's no way that this
word doesn't it out and that this isn't known. You know,
this is it's known amongst that group, just like if
it happened in the radio host community. We know people

(09:08):
who have been a weirdos you know, anymore WD gets around,
it's it's systemic.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
And and I think whenever people look at all these
charges coming out against the Catholic Church, for example, you know,
we can fall into the slippery slope of oh, this
is only happening in the Catholic Church, and that is
not true.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
This is happening in.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
All branches and iterations of Christianity. Protestant churches have deep
undercover things going on where they're covering up these situations
because they have an infrastructure that if anybody found out
that they were hiding the abuse of a child from
one of subservient or their underlings, then it would just

(09:55):
destroy the structure. And so it's just like a custom
where they must hide it. They must protect the priests
and keep the word from getting out because it would
really challenge the entire system or the entire infrastructure of
the church.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
And I think that's what we're starting to see here.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
People are starting to question the fact that hey, if
there are two hundred kids getting molested in is just
church choir, or these thousands of kids getting molested up
in Pennsylvania, there has got to be some higher ups
in the body of the church that absolutely are aware
and are absolutely aiding and abetting.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
The cover up of these atrocities.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Well yeah, look in the news just recently we saw
where the EPA chairman or I guess he has chairman.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Of the EPA, right, Scott Prewitt.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
How he traveled a Vatican over there and he visited
with the Cardinal Pell. And know first we hear that
he had one secret dinner with Cardinal Pell. And Cardinal
Pell was under all this investigation for and it's in Australia,
so they can't come right out and say what kind
of the charges are, but you know they hint around enough.
You know what it is. It's child sexual abuse. And
he was charged right after this this visited with the

(11:02):
prud And then we find out later on from whistleblowers
and Prewit's office that the whole trip was hosted by Pell.
Pelle met them at the airport, Pell but took them
out for dinner every night. Pell was meeting to the hotel,
so you know, this whole thing was Pel. So the
thing is, you got these guys and again there's no
way if you're on an investigation for these kind of charges.
There's no way you don't know, okay, because the cops

(11:23):
are there. They're talking to your friends. You know, they're talking.
You know, they're interviewing people around. Your word gets back
to you know, you're under investigation. They might have contacted him,
He might.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Be aware of the victim.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
The victim told him, I'm going to the police, so
he knows what's going on. But yet he's meeting with
people in the White House, people in the President's cabinet,
right out in the open. So they have this kind
of political power and influence that they can get away
with this, and that's at the highest levels.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
But if you read.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
This again, this Pennsylvania report, this is a grand jury report.
It talks about how they were sincere local cops who
were investigated this wanted to make arrests, but yet they
deferred to the Catholic church and their internal investigations and
there and the hopes that they were going to hands
win and nothing was ever handled. All they did was

(12:11):
cover up, blame the victims, and shuffling priests and put
the priest into therapy and then they were another persons.
We lived with the guy and so no he's great,
he's fine. Now he's listen to another cover, and all
too just stop and thinking that you're in a call
a community, the parent, the parish, you got the police

(12:33):
even saying, let's say chief is a Catholic or his
wife is a Catholic and they're going in there for confession.
They've confessed sins and crimes to this church. You know, again,
those things get around, you know. So now that there's that,
there's you know, you can't go. You can't go and
meet with the priest confessed your deepest darkest secrets, your

(12:54):
deepest darkest sins, your crimes, who knows what? Cheating on
your wife? What are you confessing to you that you've
done something on the job. It's it's on your heart
because it's unethical. And then you have to go back
to that same parish and try and investigate them for
a crime. And just think that the conflict of interest there,
it's beyond any kind of a payoffs and corruption that
you can have. This is a huge conflict because this

(13:18):
is your Look, this is someone you're confided into you,
this is someone you respect, This is.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
This is a big problem.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
This is a big This is a big problem that Uh,
it's I don't even know how it can be dealt
with because we can't count even though in this report
the grand jury members they're saying, well, we think that
they're sincere. Now when the church wants to make a
new effort to expose this, and that's how we got
these two that we can convict. But it's a systemic
problem from the top that we well who do we

(13:47):
rely and we rely on the Catholic Church from the
top down to to make changes in all this and
and uh and uh put t turn a new leaf,
you know what I mean to try and uh overturn
on what we're gonna rely on the on the abuses,
on the criminals in order to to you know what
I mean, to police themselves.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
What do we do?

Speaker 4 (14:08):
I mean, you're absolutely conflict of interest, yeah, chiefly.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Or whatever, But what did man and that very they're
not going to want to come and destroy, uh, the
church that they've been involved with for many, many years.
And so there's that aspect, Yes, of that population in
that society or a little town or city that are
protecting each other because if you hear the dirty laundry

(14:38):
of your priest, he's going to air your dirty laundry every.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Time you went and confessed you cheated on.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Your you know whoever, or you know, every time you
went and did something awful, and the only person who
knows is the guy that you know might possibly also
have some the laundry in his closet as well. It
just is a it's a complete conflict of interest, and
and you're bringing out something I think is really important
is the political tie that the Catholic Church has. The
political strength that the Catholic Church has that can kind.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Of pull strings.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
You mentioned that there's only been two arrests or just
a handful of arrests in this case, and that's really
interesting to me because of course the Catholic Church has
been a very strong political figure historically if they're one
of the biggest intelligence gathering forces in the planet, because
you have people who would go and they would confess

(15:29):
to the priests throughout history and it was used as
a form of intelligence gathering, and so there's always been
that kind of the Church dipping their toes into the
political realm.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
There all dies and so what are your.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Thoughts on the church being involved in politics and having
a say to maybe stop arrests or be like, hey,
we're going to conduct our own internal investigation. How how
kiss be allowed to go on in what political ex wesh?

Speaker 3 (15:57):
But the other until we stop, because it's you mentioned
the police chief. At least captain okay, who you know,
they can shut down investigations just with a look, you
know what I mean. A lieutenant in charge, the captain
in charge can shut down an investigation just by looking
at the cops calling them in.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know what I mean. They get that drift right away.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
These cops know when they're risking their promotions and stuff
like that, and then most of them go along with it.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
But just imagine this. Let's say the.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Police captain is an atheist. Okay, fine, he doesn't even
like the church. He thinks it's a big joke.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
What about the mayor. The mayor could be a devout Catholic,
The prosecuting attorney could be a devout Catholic.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Or one church. Okay, you just stand next to that
the cardinal with the priest or the bishop, you just
stand next to him in a photo op. You're gonna
get all the votes from that church and one little
church with two hundred members, or I got a church
right a Catholic church right around the block. He must
have like two three thousand members. Okay, one little photo
op with this gets enough votes for that guy.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
It's swing votes.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Just my little radio show, I control wing votes for
these candidates. They come here and kiss my butt. Just
imagine what a church with two thousand members and a
local assembly you know vote, you know election or a
local mayoral election.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
You know, the huge power And how what do you do?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
There's a separation of church and state. You're not supposed
to do it, and you can take away their tax
free status, but no one does the same people who
would take away to tax with status of the people.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Are benefiting from from those What do you do? And nothing?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
We can't do? What can we do?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
I mean that is one of the questions that we're
being asked in the comments as people are watching this
interview is there's like, well, how do we stop the
abuse of these children? What is there even that people
can do? And I think I would like to touch
on that just for a moment. Is for people with
children that are Catholic for example, and they might even

(17:51):
be in that area, what would you suggest they do
to protect their children? Well?

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, you know anybody, not just Catholics. You know anybody
because you look at the McMartin preschool and all of
the finders. You know, I've been doing shows about a
lot of shows about that lately, you know, and daycares
and middle schools, boys scouts, you know what I mean.
Anywhere where there's kids, this is where they're looking and
I skid. The main thing is to have a relationship

(18:18):
with your channel where you can talk about all these things,
opening with where I know anything happens. In my case,
she's gon'ta co running to me first, no matter what.
We've always had an open relationship. But even in that case,
there's relatives and stuff like that. Who can gain your
child's trust and just take advantage.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
So what do we do to protect our kids?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
You gotta guard them like a hawk, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
What else can you do? And you got to be
a helicopter parent? What else can you do?

Speaker 3 (18:43):
If you want to voice the statistic like ants like
one out of four little girls are raped, and like
one out of five little boys before you get to college.
And you go to college, you got to one out
of five chance of getting raped. You know, people talk
about getting raped in prison. You got raped in college too,
you know.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So what can you do?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Man?

Speaker 3 (18:59):
You just got to talk to kids and raise them
for some reason. Thank god, I've always as a kid
growing up, I've always kind of seen this coming at me, like, Hey,
what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
This is weird. I remember I told a story on
the air about going to this.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Movie theater where there was obviously these adults were molesting
these little kids in this movie theater in the balcony.
And this is old fashioned movie theater back in the Bronx,
back in the seventies and sixties, they used to have
a balcony back there, you know. And I went up
there once and I just got the whiff right away.
I knew, man, this is no place to be. But
you know, other kids aren't. I guess, I don't know,

(19:32):
they don't have that sixth sense, or they're just not
warned by their parents.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I got to talk to your kids, because what else
can you do.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, I mean I know a lot of you know kids,
they might have that mentality of oh, you know, I
can handle the situation, or I can go to places
that my parents don't know about, and it puts them
in a dangerous, compromising situation where you know, maybe they
feel like they would get in trouble if they told
their parents that they were doing they're going a certain place,
or they were hanging out with a certain person that

(20:02):
was starting to groom them, or the predation. But I
think that's definitely something that people need to be very
protective of their children. And you're right, not only in
the Catholic Church and not only in that situation just
because it's being aired on mass media, but we're in
a world full of predators. I know. You look in

(20:22):
a lot of a lot of the political realms like
the Paquet's and the Pizza get that kind of stuff
of sexual misconduct with political leaders as well. Could you
maybe comment on that and is there maybe a cross
protection happening with these higher up people that there might
not necessarily be Catholics, but because the same interests and

(20:47):
the advantage of young children that somehow might with the
Catholic leaders all hiding it.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Absolutely, we know from the Wicked Leagues and also from
the Podesta was friends with people or Republicans that we're
also tram Westers and stuff like that. We know about
what went on in Haiti, which was like right in
your face, you know what I mean. It's a woman
and a friend of the Clinton. She's a trying to
flee the country with thirty little kids, you know, and
then the Clintons get all involved and though the lawyer

(21:13):
she hires that was involved in child prostitution. So yeah,
you know, obviously at the high levels. And I guess
a lot of it has to do they get to
that high level because the blackmail, you know, and they
have stuff on them, so they let it in. It
does seem to be that. And you got to wonder

(21:36):
too that you look at all these priests who are
blessed in these little kids. Right now, you and me
are both heterosexual men, like I'm sure neither one of
us have had one hundred sexual partners in our life.
But you hear by them of the priests moless in
these little kids, and they've molested like one hundred and
fifty kids, you know, two hundred kids. There's something more
there than just sexual gratify grat gratification. There's something, there's

(22:00):
some kind of demonic spirit, there's some kind of there's
something they're getting out of this that we don't understand
or we can't see what they're doing. What the benefit
is something drunking the incredible kids in indirific case? And
I hate to gratation is this? I got a story
about a little boy who the crabs on insts, you know,

(22:22):
crabs from the emotion.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Now, what is what?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
And my wildest dreams, I can't imagine any kind of
sexual gratification that or any kind of excitement. What would
motivate you to do that? I would cringe seeing that.
But there's something in that that that causes them to
want to do that. And just like you said, you know,
you hear these stories in Pizzagate which are horrific, with
Podesta and and all these characters and shipping kids around

(22:49):
with them and ubers, you know, when they're gonna be
in a pool.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
All this bizarre stuff. What is it?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
It's beyond blackmail, It's beyond sexual gratification. It's it's beyond it.
They're into They were into something really seriously evil, man,
you know, And what do you think that is? Because
there's something more?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, okay, so of course there's the surface. What if
they're just you know, masquerading priests that are actually devil.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Worshippers, and they're just you know, infiltrated.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
The church system, and then they are using the structure
of the system to perpetuate their rituals, and they're somehow
feeding off of the the just awful things that they're
doing to these children. That's, you know, obviously the very
first thing that comes to mind. One thing, because if
you ever studied to, for example, a pre resputant back

(23:42):
in Russia, there were a sect of Orthodox religion that
he followed for a short period of time called Calisti
I believe it is, and it's basically this religious sect
that had these ecstatic rituals where it was full of
like all these sexual orgies and all this kind of
crazy stuff. And their justification was this was they can

(24:04):
they get more grace from God, they get more just
get hold in stuff backing these mass sin events where
they all mentally and physically commit sins basically say oh,
God's grace is so amazing, and so we can then
just do these giant, you know, religious tools, sexual rituals

(24:27):
that it was just part of their faith and their religion,
and that's why you see disputant always associated with such
weird dual fagrancy and stuff, and so maybe they have
the mindset you know, maybe it's not necessarily well I
mean I call that say Satan working just you've deceived
yourself and will kind of justify it.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
But you know that it could kind of like that maybe.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Looking at oh, if we commit these sins, were heaping
on more grace onto ourselves, which is oh sickening that mentality.
Of course, I believe there's a really pensity for sexual
misconduct for particularly Catholic priests because they aren't marrying.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
They they it's it's not.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Really the the standard for Catholic priests to have a family.
So there's definitely that sexual just in that they don't
have a wife of family. Uh, They're they're not going
out and taking care of those bodily needs that we
all have. They're just really like forcing it down and

(25:29):
then they're acting out and these really sick tesk eve
I think to play this is you know, just you know,
there's not an outlet for that for many of these priests,
and so it probably turns them into really sick people
behind closed doors whenever they hold themselves back anymore, and
then they have to find a really gross awful evil

(25:49):
way to satisfy that lust.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Fascinating.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
You know, both of us are Christian, and I got
saved in the assembl as a God, and then I
became an evangelist to travel at tentpist you for many
years and so but just so, just think now this
is kind of a bizarre teaching where so well, the
greater the sin, the greater the forgetness. You know, if
you or I were to say that to each other,
we would smack each other in the heads as what.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
The hell you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
But but for them to cultivate that they got, they're
all a little deviate, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
In order for that.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Little, a little that theory to take root, Man, there's
a sickness behind it. And and part of that too,
I hate to say it too because I hate to
be a bashing homosexuality, but the Catholic Church did become
the priesthood became a haven for homosexuality. And that that's
a that's that's an ingredient to all this too that
we can't overlook.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
And there was a whole thing too.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
It came out in La Republic of this Italian newspaper
where there was a gay scandal at the Vatican, where
gay mail prostitutes were blackmailing the Vatican over there came
out in a big report that Ratsburger Ratzinger read as well, Hey,
so so there's that, you know. And and when you
look to U in Boston, you know, where a lot

(26:58):
of all this bubbled up and came out, the investigations
in Boston and the priests and again the homosexuality and
the pedophilia there in these seminaries in Boston. It was
they were they were openly homosexual in seminaries, and they
had pictures of like Manudo and Backstreet boys, posters in
their in their rooms and stuff like that. It was

(27:18):
like open that they were had this interest, you know,
which is you know again it's against the teachings a
Catholic Church, you know, just you know, on on its face.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
So yeah, and I definitely think actually homosexuality President of
the Catholic Church, Uh, definitely makes sense to tie into
this whole topic. Is I mean, it's the perfect place
for somebody, you know, they're they're you have convents of
of men all secluded together and or just women, and

(27:51):
then you have the altar boys. It's the perfect place
for somebody who is attracted to young boys or to
men to be around them all the time, you know.
And I'm not in any way saying that you know
they're there. You know, it's a widespread thing that you know,
there's of course homosexuals in the Catholic Church, but there's
a lot of people who are not and that they
don't agree or support, you know, that lifestyle. But at

(28:15):
the same time, I can see how it's something that's perpetuated.
You said, uh, you know, you grew up in the church,
you were offered the opportunity to be an altar boy.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
And we see statistically.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Children and boys that have been molested, uh and have
been you know, somehow abused by an older male. The
likelihood of them going into a homosexual lifestyle is many,
many times great to have gone through any of those experiences.
So do you think that is something that plays into this,
that these priests are perhaps taking advantage of these children,

(28:51):
and then these altar boys are growing up and seeing
the priesthood as their outlet to become made the figure
that they fondly put preston, or or perhaps they had
a very sick, weird love relationship with an elder man,
and so in the mind.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Saying I want to be just like this guy.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I want to be just like this friend of mine's
who's been nicety, that's using him. And is there that
perpetuation you think with the Catholic Church and altar boys
and the way that precin interact with them.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
First of all, I don't even know where the concept
of altar boys comes from, not the Bible. And with
this business of boys wires too, I don't know what
comes from me. This is right for abuse? Why does
that even exist? If you want to in somebody's proms,
you could start right there. His whole idea of alterer
boys is unnecessary for any you know, I and I
even I have an ex girlfriend who I love as
a matter of fact, and she took me to church

(29:42):
on the day I got saved on my birthday nineteen
eighty nine, and she had a little boy, and she says, oh,
I want my little boy to be an altar boy?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Is what that hell would you want that for?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
That's crazy, you know, because she was still involved the
Catholic Church back then. But this idea of talking about
where you know, yeah, the kids they saw their priests
abusing either themselves or and it creates a baseline of acceptability.
Just like if you grow up and your parents did
certain things, you know, alcohol or beating, you know, spanking,

(30:14):
it creates a baseline of acceptability and in the back
of your head, even though though you know what's wrong,
it's a baseline for your own parenting, saying like, well,
my parents did it, so it's not that bad. My
parents let me have alcohol when I was twelve years old,
I had a sip of beer. You know, it's don't
let my kids do it. So it's the same thing.
You grow up having this kind of abuse, you think
it's in some way in your head it is, does

(30:35):
become acceptable and you're more susceptible to abuse others, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
So another aspect of this that I definitely wanted to
hear you out on is the lack of convictions and arrests,
not only in the Catholic situation with these priests. You
said there was only like two arrests made, but just overarching,
why is it so hard to convict people and to

(31:06):
get justice for the mistreatment of these children.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I got another one for you. I had a personal experience.
I had a client whose father was molested in the
Catholic church. It really doesn't matter, but I believe it
was up in the Boston area. It's this case took
place all over the country. The family, the son and
the daughter lived up the northeast, up in the northwest.
But the father was molested, I believe in the northeast,

(31:30):
and he sued the school where he was molested. A
whole bunch of people were molested to the school, and
the law firm got the highest civil judgment on record
from this school, this Catholic school where the father was molested.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And my job was.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
To because there was a dispute between the two. The
father died passed on, so we'll were trying to get
the estate, trying how much was effected in how came
your hands on it for the client.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
And now I found, you know, settled. It was a lawyer.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
We have the hostgit case against the south the church
for the money. There was no money because he did
with clare bankruptcy.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
The school did nothing.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
So even you think judgment, it is a great judgment.
And I saw those headlines all over the place.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I thought there was a lot of money. I was
gonna get a chet his mother ka.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
There was no money, they say, just the And it's
the same thing with the prosecutions. We talked about it
before that the police investigating these cases over and over
defer to the Catholic Church, and that was a put
out as a policy. By the way, again by rat Singer.
He did a letter to all the bishops. I think
it was two thousand and one, Yeah, two thousand and

(32:31):
one letter to the bishops. I have it in my notes,
where he outlined how these cases should be handled and
he says, we got to first off, keep it within
house and don't turn over information to the police, even
when you know there's a criminal charge, a criminal activity.
And by the way, too, they were expelling priests for
stealing me, for adult sexual behavior, all that kind of stuff.

(32:54):
They you know, minor infractions who were getting kicked out.
But this were covered up because it would damn the
reputation of the church and caused scandal.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
In fact, those were some of the words.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's if you were sixteen pages in the introd them
to the nine hundred page.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Report avoids scandal.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
You know these words appeared over and over, by the way,
in different I know this was a pattern. This was
policy from the top down, not from.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
The bottom up. So yeah, you're right, man, no one's
getting prosecutor.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
And there's two people out of three hundred, You kid
me when there's like another you know, they said this
way more than three hundred. And that's just Pennsylvania, you know.
Just imagine, you know, more populated areas, you know, like
New York City or New Jersey or Florida. Everything was
down in Florida.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Is crazy. That's a how do we you know, I
don't know, what do we do?

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, I think that's one of the most scary shocking
aspects of finding out the skit d priests only in
that Pennsylvania era that we know of, then what about
the rest of the cuntrea God forbid the rest of
the world. We're in the Western world here, and you
think that this is the place we're most protected from
sexual misconduct and predators, and we're uncovering it here just

(34:10):
because we have the infrastructure and the investigating capability to
find out about these things. But countries, the third world countries,
for example, I grew up in the Philippines at I
grew up in the mind a ninety percent means and
the structure there is is so interesting if.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
You haven't speak out against the local church.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Anybody looking out against the Catholic faith, they are ostrich
there or from their family. You under I mean you
honestly growing up with a Catholic background, you understand how
hard it is to be Catholic, how big of a
deal it is whenever you leave. And so for people
to speak out in third world countries much less the
Western world, is just the things that I like to imagine,

(34:53):
what's going on in these institutions that have the funding,
the infrastructure, the buildings, the places to hide the misconduct.
It's it's horrifying. And you know this is not with
just under priest. This is this is just a tipped
iceberg that I think is in the public eye. Of course,
you know, this is something that's been going on for

(35:14):
many many years. For ex, in a town literally that
I grew up in and lived near Owensboro, Kentucky, there
was a young man and and killed himself on depths
of a Catholic church because he's molest just just in
twenty twelve just killed himself. And then the priest was

(35:34):
then arrested on sex abuse charges. And this he drove
this kid as he grew into adulthood to then off himself,
probably because of the awful things that he had done
to him. And and whenever you think about the just
the mentality that victims have whenever they are growing up
in the faith, and it's a big deal to you know,

(35:57):
not side of the faith, or to ever question your
priest or the question the authority share. It's almost internal
struggle that I can't even imagine having to go through that.
Many people do, Like I can't even put my mindset
in what they're thinking, because they don't want to offend
their parents, they don't want to offend their grandparents, the
Babolets and the lineage that goes back years and years

(36:20):
and years. If they come out saying, hey, this church
is not all enoughed up to what it's supposed to be.
Think about that inner conflict that people are going through,
and man, I'm just they may be just so hurt
for the people that are getting abused. You're probably talking
to somebody who has not come out about being abused.

(36:42):
There's probably an audience member right now who's going to
a Catholic church, or somebody who went through abuse as
a child, or might know, somebody going through abuse, and
they're thinking to themselves like, well, what do I do
so for people that we might be you know, talking
to or or in front of right now that have

(37:03):
gone through abuse? What is your advice to them how
they come out about it?

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Will you? And what are yours on that?

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, that's a good question because because even in the
in this report to these won meeting, Grand Jersey took
job so seriously. They told them they're about how so
many of these kids again suicide, Like you said, you know,
we would turn to suicide and would turn to drug
abuse and we get addicted to drugs, you know, to
deal with this kind of and you see it on
that TV show Intervention all times, like ninety percent of

(37:31):
the times these people are addicted to drugs because you're
in the lesser when you were a kid. So you know,
if you're out there and you are a victim of this,
you know one thing we could do is I could
help you get a lawyer. You know, we could always sue.
You know, I always I like that, man, I like
I get a lot of these victims. Me two cases,
you know, I'm working on one right now where you
know we sue you know, and and then people say, well,

(37:52):
you know, then you kind of it's like hush money,
but you make them pay, you know what I mean,
you make them pay.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I said, that's one thing.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
You know, therapy and stuff like that. You know, you
got to have good therapists because I've been in New
York and I've been here in Nevada, and I've seen
good therapists and I've seen really bad ones. So that's
always hitt and miss too. As a matter of fact, this
is working on right now, was with a therapist who
was abusing his patients. People who are victimizers. They got

(38:21):
a radar, man, you know, and they they if you
go to them with that victim mentality, you're going to
get abused on top of your first abuse. So so
where do you go many That's such a good question, man, Yeah,
because again too, you want to say turn to God.
You don't turn to your faith and and you know,
pray and then the leaders of the chair, the oldest

(38:41):
of the church. And but if you're in this situation,
you're you've been inoculated from that. How many people do
we both know that don't trust the church, that hate
the church because it's some experience that they had at
a church where now they hate all churches and they
don't want to hear it. And you see the pain
and you see the death of their soul when you
try and talk to them and say, oh, no, no, no, no,

(39:02):
let me tell you what I've been through, you know,
And where do you go?

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Man?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (39:07):
You know?

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Well, I think first of all, it's heartbreaking, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I think it's absolutely a plan from you know, Satan,
the enemy, to put these just monsters in a position
of authority, in a position of hey, you know, this
is your spiritual leader. You need to look to this priest,
this man to tell you how to get closer to God.

(39:33):
And then this just monster then abuses you, uses you.
Is the opposite of the example that you know, supposedly
they're supposed to be, and it destroys people's faith. Don't
understand that it is not God that is this sinfulness
and evil, wickedness of men. And I think that's why

(39:54):
it's such a hawking situation, because you see people all
the time that are completely turned away from the faith
because somebody in their life who professed to be a
Christian did something awful like that. You know it did
something so just opposite of what the past that, you know,
if that's really what your God wants you to do,

(40:15):
if that's what Christianity is all about, you know.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Forget that. I'm done, I'm out. I'm gonna you know,
on my own way in the world.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And you know, I think that what's heartbreaking the situation
for somebody. What what would I say to this is
just I think fall I faery bus have beast up
and and not talk if you've gone for more things
to happen, especially if you are okay at this abuse.
I've gone through the situation in the church and I'm
going to continue to be in that environment.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
So speak up about it.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Tell people that actually do want to care and protect
you that that they we see all the time with
women who've gone through sexual abuse not until they get
married and their husbands there and they can be confident
when that you find they went through abuse in the
first place. It's something very people are very secretive about.
And you know, totally understand. You know this is something

(41:07):
so awful you just you want to wipe it from
your memory.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
You want you suppress it.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Say please on Dan, that don't side about you you
don't out of the abuse a priest or an older
or pastor had done you allowing that happened to somebody else,
you are on some person to weigh something that got
with you to then maybe continuing on the abuse. And
so please, if if there's somebody that you know that
is still in a leadership authority, still in a position
that can perpetuate the beast like these priests, and and

(41:35):
you know for a fact or you went through that
abuse yourself, speak out about it.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Call them out.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
You know, people aren't going to allow the kids to
go to a vacation bibles if the pastor has been
outed for really being inappropriate with the children, or the
priests for going and putting kin headlocks and massaging themly,
if you don't about it, you're in a way you
might let it happen to somebody.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
And obviously you don't want that happen, So it would
be my advice.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, but just think too.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
You know how about these people there's still their family
is still going to that church, you know, and every
week every Sunday they got to go see the priest
and lolest of them, you know what I mean? Because
nothing's happened to the priest. And if you read this report,
a lot of these kids who did come forward and
families who did come forward, they did come forward and
nothing happened. Still, so yeah, I would say, before you

(42:23):
go complaining to the church, because there's no haven there,
contact a good lawyer, you know, or contact the me.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I'll put you in touch with.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
A lawyer, and again make the police reports that that
couldn't hurt too. And it seems like according to this
this Pennsylvania grand jury report, that they're saying that, well,
you know, things seem to be changing, and that people
are having a different attitude, which I think too compared
to when I was a kid, forget it. I remember
we had this one incident where there was some kind
of scandal going on at the church and the school,

(42:52):
and the nuns went door to door to every family's house,
you know, And I remember that day they came to
our house to meet with my parents, you know, and
it was like, you know, God showed up, or you know.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Or you know, the President was showing up.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
It was something like a you know, oh my God,
it's so in These people are just so revered, you know,
and I guess they just came to tell my parents
to keep their mouth shut or whatever it was. So
but I guess it's not that people have a different
attitude nowadays, thank god, you know. And you know, it
does seem to be changing right a little by little.

(43:25):
Maybe in ten years from now, you know, this will
be less of a problem.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yeah, I mean, we can only hope. So you know,
of course I have my personal opinions that.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
The world's degrading in terms of morality instead of improving,
and so I think this is something that might even.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Become more exposed.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
But in a way it's gonna it's gonna come out
to light. I feel like I think we're in the
information age where people can speak out about these things,
whether or not there's a conviction. But at the same time,
I also think that whenever they everybody he gets exposed
and you find out that your whole society's infiltrated and
run by pedophiles, it's not going to make it so oh,

(44:08):
we're going to out the pedophiles. Those pedophiles are going
to start fighting back, and they're going to try to,
you know, keep their way of life. And and of
course you know, we see over in in California. There
was recently a man running for the governorship that was
hating the like a A I forget what he dubbed it. Basically,

(44:30):
he was saying, yeah, it's fine, I like little boys,
but I'm running for the governorship.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Vote for me.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
You know, free love, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Any any iteration of relationships is deemed okay, And I
think that's a slippery slope that we see with uh,
with somebody you knows that are being pushed in terms
of first it's widely accepted, you know, homosexual relationship will
be very weak, even taught in schools as as very

(44:59):
you know, you know, this is exactly how things should be.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
And then from there where does a when is.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
The relationship start to get propagated as something that's permissible,
And that freaks me out, especially when you look at uh,
you know, alternate you know, views of relationship, alternate views
of love and stuff that's talked about older people are
going to start coming out. So natural for me to
be attracted little to a little girl because I view

(45:26):
myself as little bit or you know, the way the
fatality and the very you know, you define yourself and
nothing is wrong because it's all based on self perption.
I think that's the sort of headed where that makes
me a little nervous, you know, especially and I don't
know if you've caught that case of they're trying to
run leadership, propagating young relationships and walking little what are

(45:49):
your thought, Oh.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, I read all about that.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
I read a book at page and his manifesto and
he had a suicidal pedophile group that because they they're
so tormented by their their pedophilia that they're suicidal over
a fascinating guy.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
And I don't think you get.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Many votes, but he did have a large group, you know,
and I mean they were also let's not get too
distracted by that nut.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I don't think he's going to go anywhere. But you know,
in the public schools today, you know, get to it.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
But in the you know, my own daughter, you know,
good Christian girls, she got baptized nine years old. Man,
you know, just loves the Lord, she loves her Bible,
and well, you know, it's really humptules and it's wrong
to you know, discriminate. But I agree with all that
we shouldn't be bullying anybody, we shouldn't be nating somebody.
But then it becomes an acceptance of a lifestyle that's

(46:39):
again is unhealthy if you look at all the statistics
and stuff like that, and if you're in that kind
of lifestyle, listen, I don't care what you do.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
You do, wish if you want, but it.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Is something you want to look you know, there's reasons
behind it.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Many times, like you said.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Before, so and you're right, and I can see them
portraying that same thing. Well, you know, listen, you're born
this way, You're born with an interesting motion. And look
for Michael Jackson, he never had a childhood. He was
such an innocent so you know, for him to be
sleeping with little boys, well it was innocent the way
he did it. And even if there was some touching
and talking and you know, mutual, you know, it was

(47:15):
just innocence. Because you know, all the time Michael Jackson
fans obsessively contact me because of the shows I did
about Michael Jackson. So yeah, that's out there and it's
right around the corner. I don't see any turning back.
People accept it, you know, and I do a lot
of shows about you know, Jeffrey Epstein, you know is

(47:37):
his well known name. Now when his show him four
years ago, nobody knew who the hell he was, and
I went to try and find a guest about him,
that there was no one to interview about it. And
when I talk about his connections with Trump, you know,
and Trump's relation And I just did a show just
recently with the woman who was sixteen years old, she
was a model in New York City when Trump hit
on her, and she talks about how Trump had a
seventeen year old girlfriend, this Russian girl named Nadia, who

(47:59):
was his girlfriend. And there's even more that we haven't reported. Hu.
But people who are die hard, you know, fans of
Trump will say, well, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
You know who cares about that? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
There's an acceptance of this kind of behavior again because
you're political, uh.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Proclivities, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I think one thing, yeah, one thing about.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Interesting is absolutely the LGBTQ trans community is a absolute
minority here in the in the Western world. There are
percent of a percent, but they're so vocal because they're
outspoken on their thoughts and they're they're leans.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Politics or figures or whatnot, and.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Necessity that they are requiring to, you know, for people
to be teaching these lifestyles in schools. What we're seeing,
I think is the bigation of a mentality and a
mindset that otherwise would remain a minority and a percent
of a percent. But now because you're bringing it the
forefront of children's minds in school, you're letting them read books.

(49:05):
That's how homosexual relations work.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
How lesbian? You know? How how does that? You know?
I do stuff?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
You know, whenever you put that in front of the
public's mind just for the mindset of oh, we want
them to be bullying, we don't want them to be,
you know, looking at them fearfully, and so that they
they put these books in the puff school and the
libraries and they make.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
It part of the curriculum.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Basically, I leave, you're going to Upbach, and the amount
of people are coming out as I've decided I'm altique,
sexual or trans because otherwise they would have never even
had that mentality or that minds, just because it's been
set before under the guys of hey, we don't want
bullying or we don't want you know, you to look
at these people fearfully. Just because you're now teaching kids, Hey,

(49:50):
this is how homosexual relationship works, and this is why
it's okay, and you don't have to be afraid of homosexuals.
You're going to see a lot more homosexuals in the
next ten to fifteen years, just because it's now become
part of the curriculum in public schools, and it's become
part of the pomp. You know, mal a pc very.
You know, it's not being encouraging these lifestyles. It encourages

(50:11):
would have gone. It's done, and I think become part
of that lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I hear you.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Man, look at this whole thing with the transgender bathrooms.
You know, like how many transgenders are and you see
a few, but how many are they? Not they have
to go to the bathman public that often anywhere that
we need such a whole nationwide hubble baloo about this issue.
And again, like you said too, especially the teenage years
or exploding hormon stuff like that is all that's true.

(50:37):
Few and if you're a young boy, like a trunk
a tractor, you know, get low and you get turned
on because all that you can fuse actual to anything.
Really And then added to that, Okay, this whole business
about the transgender where they actually started giving female and
male hormones to teenagers and stuff like that when they're
in this confused state. I remember that that TV show Jazz,

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you know, the little boy who was a transgender little
boy there and they're talking to him about getting surgery
at this young age, and it was about how, you know,
his penis wasn't large enough for the he hadn't grown
enough for his penis to be large enough to to
you know, to invert it. Well, you know, if you
ever knew how they do this stuff they want to

(51:20):
get into that, it's just unbelievable. And the little boys saying, well,
I don't know. I've never had a sexual experience. I
don't know if my god, you're right, the kid doesn't know.
Why are you giving this kids hormones and turn up
a testration and initiative?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Bloody When a huge.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Percentage of the people adults who go through transgender surgery
transformation regret it and reverse it and also and wind
up in the sex industry okay, wind up working as
sex workers and on on around disability. It's unfathomable that
the number of problems that come with that kind of lifestyle.

(51:58):
And I got a good friend right now, who's going
when she's going from a female to male transgender, she's
getting male hormones. And I know she's not listening to
the show otherwise I wouldn't say this. But but the
reason why she's going through all these confusions because because
she was raped just recently and then within a year
went to this whole thing and she's seeing a doctor.
Oh wonderful thing. One day they got his some testosterone
shots for you. You know, when I can diagnose what

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the cause of this is, you know, just from being
a friend. A professional can't diagnosis.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So you're right, man.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I was feeling a little encouraged before you me out
of it there, But you're right, man, You're right. It's
getting worse, you know, because that whole end of things
because they got the PR team, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, I mean that's exactly what it is. It's it's
the PR team, the propagation unit. You know, they're definitely
there's an agenda being pushed here.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
And and unfortunately, along with the home sexual trans agenda,
you see the rise in child abuse. Because it's it's
interconnected in a lot of interesting ways. And so I
think that's another aspect of this that it's kind of
you know, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Scary, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
So anyways, with that top, you know, with that topic,
I want to get back to the Catholic Church. We're
we're just getting around an hour interview here, and so
I didn't want this to be too long of an
episode because I would like a lot of people to watch.
This is very important topic and and and so I
wanted to hear your thoughts out on First, you mentioned
that one of the first design and of course there's

(53:39):
a lot of the previous pope to sexual misconduct trials
and and and different allegations against the church under his leadership.
I wanted to ask you to maybe expound a little
bit on your thoughts on him and the different controversies
surrounding him and his ousting.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
And then since we're talking about the current Catholic Church.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
And the priests that are currently under the current leadership
of Francis, I wanted to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Well.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Well, yeah, like we said before, in a rat Singer
you know, what do you call it?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
What's those notes? It wasn't right.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
I did?

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Here we go, yeah ratsinger brother?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yeah, yeah, like I said, you know, his brother was
required two hundred dollars against this vatics and leaks in
a Vatican leaks about this gay male escort service. That
was blackmail in the Vatican. And then you know, Ratzinger
was the one who was behind this the protocol when
he studied all this, he created this protocol and sent

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it out to all the bishops in two thousand and
one on how to handle on how to cover up
these cases, you know, and it's all the same thing.
Don't cause scandal, you know, handle it in house. So
you know, he's up to his neck in all this.
Keep the They wanted the church to keep the authority
over the investigations and turning over to the police. So yeah,
rat Singer, and you know, it's very unusual for a

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pope to be resigned.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I've never heard of that before.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
So who knows what happened behind the scenes that we
don't even know about.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
So what else was the question?

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Yeah, that was the previous administration.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Obviously, people can you know, do a little bit of
research and see that their sexual misconduct related with that pope.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
But you know, what are your thoughts on this current pope?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
And I don't know if he's come out with public
statements the Catholic Church just recently came out denouncing it
as atrocious moral failure. But it's all under the leadership
of Pope Francis, I mean, is he Are we in
a better situation than than the previous pope, or you know,

(55:53):
is just going to maybe pertuade to cover up.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I think they're still perpetuating cover ups. And despite what
the what do you call over the Pennsylvania grandeuras they
have hope. The thing is, it's the same kind of thing,
like Pope Francis.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Is up against the deep state of the pobim e Vatican.
You know what I mean. All the same people.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Are in there, you know what I mean. They haven't
all changed their stripes. They haven't all just the you know,
you know it suddenly uh you know, seeing the light,
you know, and then change their behavior. They're all it's
still it's systemic, you know. So I don't I don't
see any even if I know. There was one thing
about a statement to Ireland, because you know, this was

(56:32):
really really horrible in Ireland where this is going on
over there galore, and there was some kind of an
open letter or a statement issue to the children of
Ireland who abused.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You know, it's lip service. You know, how why don't.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
They turn over all these criminals? You know, like I'm
a defense investigator, I'm for the defense. But if you
got this systemic crime in your organization, and you have facts,
you have the evidence, turn them over, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
And and in.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Turnal we were internal reports and your internal documents to
law enforcement and put pressure on local law enforcement to
prosecute these people.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
And by the way, just think if they if if
the local.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
State attorney general down there in Pennsylvania did want to
prosecute three hundred.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Priests, he could even do it. They're not equipped to
do it.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
They're not equipped to put on three hundred trials, you know, overnight.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
This would be a huge undertaking. So is there hope
with them?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I guess let me clarify, because that's some comments, okay
from the body. You know, they're they're saying, well, better
situation told, not sold to better situation. Both claim to
be God on earth, and you know there's some other
people kind of in wondering what. But basically the persona
that Ppe frances puts on is a lot more whitewashed

(57:52):
than we saw with the previous Pope we saw, we
see you know, him trying to be a lot more
active socially.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
You know, he's very he puts on the out end of.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
And the way that he you know, takes the big
giant golden throne out and he puts a tiny, like
little white seat in. So is this something that is
going to encourage Catholics to be like, oh, you know,
we got a pope that can actually deal with these problems,
that can actually deal with the maybe the sexual misconduct
internally because of just his outward appearance. And is it

(58:28):
is it trusting in just this the facade that the
pope might be putting up that could sway the Catholic
populace into almost a false security versus looking at the
previous pope. He makes crazy, he's a little you know,
he looks like Darth Sidius sitting on his throne in

(58:49):
some pictures. So is it something like could his outward
public persona be swaying people to put more trust in
the Catholic Church and the authority structure that are in
than they probably should be.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Yeah, exactly, It's just like when you have a lot
of police brutality and in a black town or black neighborhood. Well,
let's put a black mayor in there, let's put a
black police chief in there. But it's still continues, nothing,
nothing even slows down. It's the same exact thing, you know.
Oh yeah, let's put in a pope that's saying all
the things. Okay, but but has he cleaned house? He can, right,

(59:23):
what's topping him?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Nothing?

Speaker 3 (59:25):
He can clean house man and turn all these folks over.
And until they do that, you know, that's just so
much like you say, window dressing, you know what I mean,
I don't I like what I like hearing what he says.
I'm a social justice kind of guy, you know, but
you gotta put up, you know, let's do it, turn
them over?

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah, because I mean, I definitely think that's an aspect
is there could be a lot of lip service from
these men.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
They can say a lot of good things, but.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Then whenever you look at at these allegations that obviously
you know that they were aware of misconduct going on,
it was covered it up for years and years and years.
How can you talk about social justice when in your
own infrastructure, in your own church, who are protecting child predators?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
But what do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
We have one grand jury for the state of Pennsylvania. Okay,
we have to win panel grand juries in every state.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
No, we don't. They have the information.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
They couldn't panel ay and expose all their folks and arnovers. Hey,
we have hundred names here in Ninja. We have our
names here. But I mean, but I out of these folks, guys,
you know, we done investigations, We had the funder Center,
hurb and so they get those know who we're dealing with.
You know, they're so changed, you know, I mean I
wasn't almost get ballions off out in the street, the
nightclub man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
No, you know, you know, you know why why can't
they do that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
If something's really changed, expose only evil you've done and
turn it over, you know, turn it over, shine the
light on it, uh, you know, rather than just put
a new face up there and business as usual.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
All right, Well, I'd like to brept this interview up
and I'd like to hear your final thoughts on how
do you think this situation is going to unfold?

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
I mean, it's all over the news now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Is anything going to happen or is it just going
to be slowly swept under the rug and it's going
to be root from guy. People are gonna forget and
then it's gonna happening again as it has in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
I'll tell my thoughts, it's going to be businesses. And
I've already said that that the thing is because listen,
the news is report Oh my goodness, three hundred exposed,
three hundred pres exposed, a thousand victims, and man, I'm
pretty sure you didn't hear before today there's only been
two arrests because no one's talking about that at all.
And I had to go look at up three or
four times to verify it to make sure. And it's
in the reports in the final report too, only to arrests,

(01:01:42):
and that's never reported anywhere. It There's a lot of
this stuff with this reporting where they want you to
think something's being done, you know, and you can kind
of sit back all this stuff with q Andon, you know,
you know, the coming storm, something's being done. Trump is
rounding up fourteen hundred pedophiles. But when you're again with
it and you look into it, so nonsense, nothing's being
done and it's all just window dressing and talk. So

(01:02:04):
this might be something just the lowess into a complacency too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
They're working on it. They remember they exposed they arrested
a lot of people probably think they made.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Three hundred rests. Played the news, it did one of
those polls like that guy you know, Lung heard you
know that the people would say, oh, why why they
just arrested three hundred people? You know what I mean?
Since ever since Trump came into office. Look, they just
arrested three three hundred priests. Well, first of all, this
happened in twenty sixteen, they started this. It's a democratic

(01:02:33):
and democratic attorney general still nowhere arrested to rest nothing
and we don't even know if there's avictions in that
insis two hundred come off? So no dressing business make
us think things happened that seems to be high with
the ac us. Thank great thing happen and people getting ruled
up and all this kind of scene. None of that,
and you investigate those stores, why nothing's going on? These
are all cases from years and years ago, and there

(01:02:55):
aren't pedal rings being round up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
These are typical.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Usage Paul Or arrests and stuff like that. And those
three things abound the rests. We just aounced these two
thousand arrest sessions did and it turns out these role
internet complaints twenty five thousand net complaints. They finally got
around to investigating, and again those Cattra predator type things,
but nothing about rings beginning taken down or pedal rings

(01:03:20):
or anything. It's all, uh, you know, you don't really
saving kids if it's if it's a sting operation with
one of these Catra predator type things on the internet,
and Kim was doing kids.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Chatting online.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
You know, so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I'm not very encouraged, okay, you know, and I had
to read all this stuff to prepare for an interview,
I'm not very you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
It's a it's very discouraging.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Well, reading through those documents, yeah, finding out, you know,
really the nitty gritty details about this situation, about these
abuses that are going on, heavy, heavy thing, and and
a lot of people don't even want to hear interviews
like they don't want to hear it back surrounding the
situation because it means, you know that they might have
to speak up or do something, actually have their head
on a swivel in their own environment because there's people

(01:04:10):
around not into our audience.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
You know, we're in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
A very wicked, evil world. And if you're you know,
you need to be even careful in your own church.
You know, don't let your kids go to people's houses,
you don't intimate trust. And even the foundaries, you need
to be very careful because this misconduct is the the
the actions of these peers. It's happening not only in
the Catholic Church, is happening in many different toools, happening

(01:04:35):
with family members. It's happening and the Protestant Church is
happening in all forms and faces of religion. And and
you need to be kill because there are predators out
there that look like from people, and they look like fun.
You know, they're I can trust them, and then you know,
you open that door for a predator to then ruin
your child's life. And so I think everybody needs to

(01:04:57):
be very careful. I think this conversation is very important
because it wakes people up.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
It makes people know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
That, hey, even authority figures that put on this outward
facade of holiness, righteousness, whitewashed you know, goodie, you know,
good boy type, you know thing, you need to be
aware that even those men could be wolves in sheet clothing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
And I think that's this very scriptural thing that we see.
You know, there are.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Wolves in sheet clothing, and sometimes people don't want to
admit that they're looking for that, you know, person covered
tattoos and piercing. It looks like the bad guy and
that's not the case, you know. And so you know,
I think this is a very important discussion. So thanks
Ed for coming on and discussing this with me and

(01:05:42):
and our audience.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Very heavy topic, very very heavy indeed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Yeah, thank you Grant for exposing this kind of stuff.
It is important, you know what I mean. And listen,
we got good We gotta do it right. Who else
is doing it?

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
You know? So yeah, yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Well, thanks Ed once again coming on, and thank you
everybody for tuning into Now You See TV. I've been
your host, Jake Grant, and until next time, be on
the lookout and speak up because it could save somebody
from the abuse that care.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Thank you for tuning in too, Now You See TV.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
All right, what a topic there, man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
It was getting me wound up just.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
You know, and you know, I was thinking too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
I didn't get a chance to say it, but even
you know, I'm thinking back to my old neighborhood, you know,
all the kids and neighbors come play in my house.
You see those kids, the neighbor kids that you know
something's you know, they're not right. You know, something in
their house isn't going right. You know, these kids are vulnerable.
And one of them did grow up. She wound up
getting abused and now she's eighteen years old and pregnant.
But again, even in accestation, put me child protective services.

(01:06:57):
You bring them in, they cause it a do too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
You can't even trust them to come in and help things,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
I mean, I mean, you see, with some of the
research we're doing, we're seeing that there's actually evidence that
social there's social services that are involved the oh my,
just the services might be selling them just to the
next game, you know, well, I mean the next mob
to sell them off into slavery somewhere, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
And I'll tell you something else to either.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
But you know, I found out w these adoption groups
I work with, these women will akate for women not
to put their kids up for adoption. And we found
out that these are they infiltrate the crisis to get
these kids. And then again the you know some and
if no one knows where they go, there's no accountability.
There's no follow up of these private adoptions, and they
through the state of Utah because the laws up there

(01:07:51):
are so lenient, it's all, and no one knows where
these kids go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And then I found out you should have talked about
all this on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
But anyway, it's just, you know, it's it's h it's overwhelming, man.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Well, thanks ed uh fan Ji, you coming on in
an interview.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Thank you, Mintion, I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Bye.