Joe Gazebo Michael

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
To Parallax Views at Opperman.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hey, Joe, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
So you have this.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Show, The Opperman Report, which is a very interesting show
covering a wide variety of topics from conspiracy theory to
true crime and much much more. But you you have
a very storied sort of history. You started out, I
guess as a digital PI.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah. I didn't start out as a digital PI. I
started out as a you know, regular private investigator. Actually,
I started out as an information brokers what they used
to call it in the old days, that you could
buy and sell information to pis and two lawyers and
collection agencies and stuff like that. And you didn't need
a PI license back in those days, but now you do.

(00:52):
And so I started out. I had this connection in
the phone company where if someone if I had someone's
phone number, it was an unlisted number, from that I
could get their name, their address, a list of all
the calls they made. You could get the local usage
calls and the long distance calls from their house that
they were making or they didn't have cell phones back

(01:12):
and hose this was back in the seventies. And you'd
get also to their social Security number and their work
phone number, and even sometimes their bank account number. So
this was gold This is golden information. And they didn't
have identity theft back in those days. But this was
a you could locate people, you could collect on people
and stuff like that. So that's how I got to
meet all the pis in New York and I got

(01:34):
set up out of this office in Brooklyn with this
really uh he was a forensic investigator. He did a
fingerprints and ballistics and all that kind of stuff. And
then I got hooked up with all the lawyers and
New York and stuff like that. That's how I got
started in the PI business.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Wow, and you uh, you're you're known for a website. Uh,
email revealer dot com. What's what's that about? Tell my
listeners that.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, what happened was okay, email revealer dot com. Originally
we had gotten this contract to do employment screening for
ups and this was like around two thousand. Me and
my partner was NYPD Harbor Aviation in New York City.
One of those helicopters scuba cops that would jump out
of the helicopters, like those guys who rescued that woman

(02:21):
off the statu of Liberty yesterday. That that's what he
worked in and we got this contract with UPS to
do employment screening before they would hire somebody. We would
run their criminal records, their credit report, and stuff like
that to find out and verify their SOBD security number.
So we had that going, but we lost that contract.
But we were all set up. We had this great
office in Colorado and all these employees sit around wanted

(02:45):
to earn money. And I had learned how to trace emails,
how to locate and identify somebody from an email address.
And back around that time in two thousand, no one
was doing what I was doing with emails. It was
unheard of. I was being stalked and I we'll talk
about it later on, but during the Arbell controversy, I
was being stalked online and I need to locate and

(03:07):
identify people from their email address. And I contacted people
I knew in the business. How do you do this?
And they had these wacky methods of tracing the IP
address back using DNS trace round that kind of stuff,
and I said, no, no, no, I need the guy's name.
I needs to locate this guy and identify him. So
I came up with some little tricks and traps to
identify people and locate them from their email address, and

(03:30):
that's why I named the company email revealer dot com.
Then from that, I was doing so much with emails,
like no one was doing what I was doing with
emails back in those days, and I came up with
this little method to catch people cheating online. I could
trace an email address back to online dating websites and
personal ads and catch them cheating online. So then we
added that service and then also too, it has all

(03:52):
the regular stuff you know, locates, asset searches, adoption investigations,
all the regular stuff a locate in personal place of employment,
all of a sudden, you know, naming address from my
phone number, all that stuff you find on any PI website.
And then then I got into digital forensics. In two
thousand and three, I actually stumbled upon these guys who

(04:14):
were the guys in Afghanistan who cloned uh Osama bin
Laden's phone. Okay, this company were based out of Utah
and they were based out of Virginia, and I hooked
up with them because when I saw what they were
doing with cell phones, they could recover deleted text messages
out of a cell phone and create a whole report
of downloading all the information from the cell phone call

(04:35):
or ID pictures, deleted pictures and stuff. I says, Wow,
this is great for infidelity investigations because I was doing
a lot of infidelity stuff back in those days. So
I hooked up with them. I started sending them my phones.
I would get phones from the public and send it
to them and they would do it for me. But
then I got all the training, I got all the software,
and then now I got all the big expensive software
too because of Fortune, cell Bright and all that kind

(04:55):
of stuff, like the end case, all the big, big
fancy stuff. I that now, so we can, you know,
do hard drives and cell phones recovered the leader text
messages and stuff like that as well. So I'm also
a digital forensic investigator.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Wow, it sort of brings to mind you were doing
this stuff before all that Ashley Madison stuff hit a
few years ago.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh man, I could tell you. Let me tell you.
I was at war with Ashley Madison for years and
years and years. Really yes, because when I came up
with my little system to find people on dating sites,
they were one of the sites I could do. And
so then they would they would hire me. They would
use fake accounts, and fake names to hire me to
see if I could catch them on Bashi Madison, and

(05:39):
then they would try and figure out how I did
it and then change their setup so I couldn't do
it anymore, and they would actually change the advertising, and
one time they would advertise saying that if you're on
Ashley Madison, no one can find out, no one could
catch you. And then they had to pull down all
those ads. And then they thought that they got me
again and they put the heads back up and I
got back in. So I was back and forth, but

(06:00):
you know, it turned out in the end that Ashley
Madison was pretty much a hoax, that those are mostly
fake accounts on there.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I didn't I didn't realize that. I know, there was
like a big blowout when the story first broke.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, they said they got tacked quote unquote, a lot
of these stories you hear about people getting hacked. It
was an inside it was a former employee. You got
in there and pulled all the database out of there
and started selling it and making it public. I think
he threatened to blackmail them first and then he made
it public and it turned out and then so searchiable database.
Now I can still use but I don't even bother
with it anymore because it turned out the ALMSOL the

(06:33):
people in there were fake accounts.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Wow wow, Well well, how what would you say, as
as someone who works with emails and you know this
digital PI stuff, what's your best advice?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Uh? For people who.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Sort of want to keep their information protected or you know,
or worry about getting hacked.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, you know, you got these people that try and
use like a proxy servers and stuff like that. But
the real and when you have people doing that, those
are pretty much the easy ones to catch because there
they get sloppy. You can trick people into revealing who
they are online. For the average person, what I would
tell you to do is, if you're gonna be going

(07:16):
on Craigslist, you're gonna be doing goofy stuff online. Okay,
if you're gonna be being goofy, create a separate email
just for that. You know, have an email account that
doesn't reveal your name or anything like that. It's just
a very anonymous email on Gmail, and just use that
one account with your fake name, and don't ever ever
ever use it with PayPal or purchase something online with it,

(07:39):
or just think, ay, you know, I got that email account.
Let me just use it once, because once you do,
you're you're on the radar, you know, because people will
try and stalk people on an email address that they've
used with PayPal, that they've used they've purchased things with
their credit card, and you can track all that stuff down.
So and first of all, don't do stupid things online.
It's another thing too, to try not to fight with

(08:01):
people online. You have no idea. The biggest cyber stalking
cases I've worked on started out where one person just
offended another person and didn't even think anything of it
and just went on with their life, and years later
they were being stalked and harassed, and their family and
their employer and their relatives were just being harassed relentlessly

(08:24):
for years and years and years over a slight that
you and I wouldn't even consider. I got a hundred,
They got crazy emails a day, you know. But I
got to tell you, be nice to people online as
much as you can unless you want to really be
a target.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, that may be a good way to segue into
your involvement in the whole art Bell controversy. What was
that all about? How are you involved with the Art Bell.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, okay, it is a good way to segue, because
that's how Email Revealer got started. Because I was being
stalked by that Art Bell crowd. The people who were
stalking Art Bell started stalking me. What happened was I
used to listen to Art Bell, and I enjoyed the show,
but I wasn't a fanatic or anything like that. Or
it took it too seriously. And one day they were

(09:12):
I was stuck at home. I was having a new
my bathroom, redone. I lived in New York City in
this condo on the third floor, and they were putting
a new bathroom in for me, and the guy screwed
up and I had no bathroom for like three days
or four days. So I couldn't leave my house. I
couldn't take shower, I couln't leave my house. I was
stuck at house and I just sat there drinking Remy Martin,
you know, and arguing with people online. And I found

(09:34):
this on the Art Beell website. They said that there's
a feud between Art Bell and David Oates. And David
Oats was this guy who did reverse speech. You know,
he thought he invented this process where he could listen
things backwards and come up with secret messages out of it.
And so he said, click on this message on this link,
and you'll see this website called Howell who was a

(09:55):
message board where everybody was arguing about this this feud.
And I just made a couple of comments. I saw
that some women. What happened was Art Bell had been
threatened and he had started hearing words through the grapevine
that David Oats was threatening his life by these two witnesses,
these two women who had actually dated Oats, so they

(10:16):
were credible witnesses. And Bell went to the FBI, and
then Belle had his big falling out with wid Oats,
and so the people on his website were threatening these
two witnesses. So I just said, hey, listen, you know,
if you're a witness in an FBI investigation, you're being threatened.
You know that's a crime. Contact the FBI said they
thought I was our Bell right away. And so this

(10:38):
little debate went on and on and on for weeks
and weeks and weeks, you know, and I really got
into it and became fascinated with it. And then this
other character showed up named Robert A. M. Stevens, who
was this guy from Montana and he went on the
Jeff Rentz Show one night claiming he was a Navy
seal and he worked for NASA and he was a
cowboy and a fireman and almost and a secret spy

(11:01):
and all this kind of stuff. And he got into
a big fight with Art Bell too, because he was
invited on Our Belly with the Richard Hogland and they
cut him off right in the beginning because he was
acting so crazy. So Oates and Hogland no Oates and
the Stevens started really really stalking Art Bell and saying
some crazy things about him, and they set up websites.
And then this group called spam House got involved, and

(11:25):
they were longtime stalkers of Bell who were mostly doing
parody and wacky bits and cartoons and doing the memes
and stuff like that and making fun of Our Bell
and stuff like that. But they got involved in his
whole stalking too, which was pretty intense and long story short.
Oates tried to do an investigation on Bell and came

(11:47):
up with some information which was totally wrong and confused
and erroneous that somehow Belle was involved with molesting children
and what happened in reality is that our Bell's son
was kidnapped by his teacher in Perump and was put
in chains and drugged and was taken to a remote
location and raped. And so Belle was all upset about

(12:09):
his son being raped, and this somehow came conflated into
this theory that somehow Bell was the rapist, because you know,
he was keeping things kind of secret. Ultimately, Bell had
enough of this, he hired an attorney. Beverly Hill's attorney
sued these two characters for sixty million dollars. I had
been so involved in this online debate that I had

(12:31):
been contacted. My contacted Belle a couple of times, and
he contacted me and they published my email. At one
point I was very upset about that Keith Rowling published
my email as upset with him, but we kind of
made up and went along, and it came to the
point where it started to look like Oats and Robert M.
Stevens wanted to settle the loss. They were sick of
fighting and was going on for so long. So I

(12:54):
contacted Oats one night and I said, hey, let's negotiate
a settlement, and I gave him a cell phone number
I had that was on racible, and we talked on
the phone back and forth, and then he says, yeah,
I want to settle. I want to see have the
stick Australian accent, you know. And he goes, oh, I
have to settle. Let's settle this lawsuit. He says, Okay,
I got him in the palm of my hand. This
is great. So he says, I just need the money
back that I paid my attorney. I paid my attorney

(13:16):
fifteen thousand dollars, I think, he tells me. So I
go back to Bell and I says, hey, you know, listen,
I settled it for you. This guy wants to settle
a lawsuit. He just wants his legal fees. Can you
help him, Matt? And Bell goes, oh, no, his legal
fees aren't fifteen thousand dollars. It was only one thousand dollars.
He says. Here, he says, by a mistake, they sent

(13:38):
me when he sent over this letter to me, they
also sent over the retainer agreement that he had with
his lawyer. By a mistake. Here, I'll send it to you.
So he faxes me, Oh, it's his retainer agreement with
his lawyer. So now I'm all pissed off it. Oh
it's I call him back and I go, hey, listen, man,
you're lying at me. I says. We can't have a
deal here if you're lying to me, I says, and
he goes, what are you talking about? I'm not lying

(13:58):
to I go, no, man, look I got it right here.
And I start reading his retainer agreement to with his
own lawyer and he flips up, who are you? Who
are They thought it was like the CIA or THEI
the cover or something like that that I has tapping
his phones or something. But anyway, long story short. I
finally Oats and me were negotiating back and forth. Back

(14:22):
and forth with Bell was going on forever, and it
was really taking up a lot of my time too.
I had my own things I wanted to do, and
Oates tells me, well, here's my plan. I'm not going
to fight the lawsuit. I'm gonna take a summary judgment
and then I'm gonna declare bankruptcy. So acts old Bell.
I said, here's this plan. He's gonna do a bankruptcy

(14:42):
and Bell tells us Laurie and I come back to
me and says, hey, you know what he can't do
that because if he does that, he's creating a debt
in anticipation of bankruptcy, and that's illegal. You can't do that.
So I did an affidavit for Belle, and I sent
him the affidavit. He posted upon his webs and I
still have part of it. I have the first couple
of pages to it, but this piece that are missing.
I'll post it up one day. I did a whole
story about this, by the way, it said alpermindport dot com.

(15:04):
I tell the whole long story in detail. It's a
whole dude. It went on for two years. Yeah, So
then I did my Affidavid and Oates had to settle.
They settled on the air, they apologized to each other,
and then the Rams still went on and stuff. He
was going crazy. Rams was a crazy guy too, by
the way, and me and him used to go at it,
trolling each other in the middle of the night and

(15:27):
this alcohol fueled rampage. Me and him were going through
the time, and he was actually threatening my life, you know,
he would be making serious, credible threats against my life.
And Belle took the threats against my life and put
them in a request for a restraining order down there
in prompt for him, Belle got a restraining order against

(15:49):
Stevens using the threats that Stevens made against me. When
I'm sitting here with no no restraining order, no protection,
no nothing, but he's running me and Belle's he restraining
over himself anyway. So then what happened was at the
same time too unrelated to all this. Ted Gunderson had

(16:10):
made some statements on a shortwave radio program here in
Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Could you tell us who Ted Gunderson is for my listeners?
It may not be familiar.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Good good, good point, good point. Ted Gunderson was the
La Los Angeles Special Agent in charge of Los Angeles FBI,
and he was an FBI agent for many, many years,
twenty thirty years. And he was in California and Los
Angeles in the FBI running that office during the whole
co Intel pro program against the Black Panthers and all

(16:41):
that kind of stuff. He left the FBI and went
to work on the Jeffrey McDonald doctor Jeffrey McDonald a
criminal case. It was like a murder case that Jeffery
McDonald was a captain in the what was I guess
it was the US Army fourth three.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
It was like a green beret.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
He was something like that, now that you mentioned it, Yeah, yeah,
because he definitely had that beret hat on. I know that, Okay,
and his family was murdered down there on the base
and his marine housing down there on the base, and
they came in, you know, and Ice picked his family
and then was chanting askeid his groovy and all that
kind of stuff like that. But he was accused of
the murders ultimately, you know, first he was accused and

(17:24):
they acquitted him, but then he was accused in civil court,
in a civilian court, and he's in prison right now
for many many years. And that's a whole interesting case
as well, because of Colonel Aquino was stationed on that
base when it happened. And the defense theer, well, you know,
at one point, the defense theory when when Gunderson was
running the show was that the defense theory was that

(17:46):
it was a satanic cult that came in and killed
I killed the family. And so Garnerson found a witness
in that who was called Shapley, the girl with the
flop he had who was chanting, asked his groovy. He
found that witness who confessed to everything being involved in
his murder and he controlled that wins throughout the whole
situation down air. Then if you go on YouTube, you
can find all kinds of speeches that Ted Gunnerson used

(18:08):
to give in these church basements and stuff about Satanic
ritual abuse and different kind of shows like that he did.
And he was involved with McMartin preschool, which I'm working
on right now. By the way, I'm taking a trip
of Saturday to California to pull up some serious evidence
on that man. They we're want to break this thing
wide open. But anyway, so that was the whole thing,

(18:31):
Ted Gunnarson, He's a well known guy in these circles.
I first came into contact with Gunderson when I was
working for as an information broker. I was working for
this company that he used to purchase information from and
they were having their problems. This company was having their problems.
They ultimately had major problems where they were put out
of business because of some information that they bought and sold,

(18:54):
involving Carly Fiorini, the woman who ran what was it
HP HP. She ran HP and then she just ran
for president recently, Carl Fierini yeah. Yeah. So they had
her phone records and they were selling her phone records
and stuff like that these pis and they got in trouble,
got put out of business. But before that, they were

(19:15):
having their trouble, and one of their employees had the
list of all their clients, and he came to me
and said, hey, you know, hey, look at his list.
So I saw Ted Garnison on and he's one of
the people I called on the list, offering him my services.
So he and I went back and forth over the
years and different cases, different things like that. He was
involved in a case here I was involved in here

(19:35):
in Los Angeles. So we knew each other and we
were friendly. I respected him. I always respected him. I
thought he was you know, he was a legendary guy FBI,
you know, all this kind of stuff, Jeff McDonald and
I knew who he was. So I called him up
to help negotiate a settlement in his R Bell lawsuit
with Bell.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
What did he say on the short wave show?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
He said, the guests he had on with him say
it's something about oh yeah, that our Bell he's involved
in in uh pedophilia, And supposedly Garnerson said, yeah, we
know all about that, you know, So I figured I
was on a roll. I settled the thing with who's

(20:17):
that guy right with the Oats? Yeah? Once, sorry, Yeah,
I settled the thing with Oats. So I figured, let
me call what's the other guy? Let me call Gunnison. Boy.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Okay, it's it's like a tangled web. It can get
confusing it.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah. I also I got my daughter texting me here too,
But what do you call it? So I called Gunnison?
I said, hey, man, what's going on with this lawsuit
with Belle? I said, I just settled a lawsuit with him,
you know. And I says, you and Belle would get
along great. You guys would get along great if you
just talk to each other. He goes, I'm not worried
about that. Role. He goes, my insurance company is handling
that whole thing and errors omissions. Insurance is handling the

(21:02):
whole thing for me, So I don't have to worry
about anything. You know, they got the lorries are doing everything.
So I said, okay, all right, all right. So then
then after he because gun hasn't lost that suit, his
insurance company paid off, and I talked to him again
after that about something else. But we brought this up
and he said, oh yeah, you know, I wish they
never settled. You know what the hell was going on.
I should have took a more proactive stance in the

(21:24):
whole thing. But he told me that his errors is
PI insurance, his private investigator's insurance called errors and omissions. Now,
I have aerorson omissions insurance, and I did at the time,
but I wasn't involved in radio at the time, and
if I made him make a mistake of a client
hires me and I said, hey, Joe Gazebo, and do

(21:46):
an investigation on him, right, And I find I can't
find your criminal record, okay, And then he hires you,
and then you steal from the company and he says, hey,
you omitted this from your report. You didn't find this,
and we're suing you for everything we lost because we
hired them on your say. So there, my insurance company
would step in. And because I admitted that or I

(22:09):
made an error, I said, you did have a criminal
ragulard it now with me, okay, because I'm lying about them.
So you have this insurance. But what I didn't know
at the time was is that eerrors and omissions insurance
is not going to cover anything you say on the radio,
No way, no how. And I've checked this out backwards

(22:30):
and forwards different companies. The whole thing. Is there any
way to sneak it in? Because if you're a podcaster,
or you're doing a radio show or a short wave
show like Ted was, your homeowner's insurance can cover that
if you tell them, Hey, I work from home and
I do this business at home. I'm on the radio
at home. Stewart what's his name, Webster Tarpoli just found

(22:52):
that out because he was able to use his homes
insurance when when Trump sued him. So uh so it
wasn't his Arizona missions insurance that got him and represented
him in that case. Now I bring this up because
I had another person right before Ted's death. I had

(23:13):
a client in California, totally unrelated case. She wasn't into
all this stuff for the satanic ritual abuse or radio
shows or old media. She wasn't into any of this
kind of stuff. But she told me. She says, you know,
I was down at the FBI headquarters down in near
Los Angeles and I ran into Ted Gunnerson, and I says,

(23:33):
what what Ted Gunnerson doing there, And she says he
was working there. So Ted the Cohen Telpro guy, that
was That's what this guy did. He was Cohen Telepro
when he worked for the FBI. Then he kind of
was this kind of the controller of the satanic witness
in the McDonald case. And where Michael Aquino was stationed

(23:55):
on that base was also still or left the FBI
went back as some kind of insultant or whatever, I
don't know, but was still working at the FBI headquarters
right before his death. Now I bring this up because
I was also told I contacted I'm working on the
McMartin thing right now, but in ninety seven I contacted
one of the mothers in the McMartin preschool case.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Was it Jackie mcgauley, Yes, it.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Was yet Jackie, and I got her on the phone
and we were talking about this and that, And at
the time I respected Ted, you know, I why I
know Ted? You know we were talking because she was
living with Ted. They were living together, but they had
a falling out and she was upset too that Ted
was selling the archaeologist report that she had paid for.

(24:41):
But she was upset about a lot of things, and
she mentioned to me on the phone, she says, well,
you know Ted calls Michael Keno. They talk on his
cell phone every single day. And I said, well, why
would he be talking to Michael Lkeno and why did
every day? And she said to me, well, to make
himself feel important, that's why he does which at the
time I just took it on face value, and I said, okay,

(25:03):
but now we hear all these other allegations about Ted
being I'm the gatekeeper. You know, people in the Franklin
cover up all think he's a yeah, and so who knows,
But then you have this other group was said, you know,
he's being poised, he was poisoned with Arsen Nicholas. I
don't know, but I can only tell you my personal
experience with Ted Gunison and that was it. And so
I went to him and tried to get him to
settle with the bell too, and I failed in that regard.

(25:25):
But but that's my experience with Gunnison.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, my my only, my my only reservation about
Ted Gunderson is it seemed like he would latch onto
any sort of bizarre case that came about. I know
he was involved in the David Carroty thing. And also
I think he was a bit of a it was
a bit of a wing nut when he when he
came to his right wing thinking, you know, if you
take out all the satanic stuff, a lot of times

(25:51):
he's just like he sounds like a Rush Limbaugh character
with his like, ah, the dirty hippies.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Right exactly, and that right, And he defended his his
stuff he did against about panthers. He thought he did
the patriotic duty with that. Now. One more thing too
with Gunderson is way way back when I started the
whole Email Revealer website, and just by total coincidence, you know,
people who were high profile people feuding with Gunderson online,

(26:19):
you know, had become clients of Email Revealer. So I
was kind of aware of the whole controversy behind the
scenes with Ted back then. Even back then, and as
far as attaching your name to high profile cases like
a Charadane and stuff, I interviewed Cardan's ex wife, I
had her on the show who wrote that book. But
the thing is, you know that's kind of something you

(26:40):
do as a PI or a lawyer. You know, you'll
trying to insert yourself into high profile cases to get
free publicity, so I can't hold the hat against them
too much. But there was the other thing too, which
in PI circles, in our little email lists and message
private message boards that go back and forth, is there's

(27:00):
something in the PI world with these little old ladies
that are lonely and they you know, they come to
you they have some kind of wacky complaints or case
they're working on or something, and they've got money, you know,
And but the ethical thing to do is to turn
down these cases, you know, and not take their money,
you know. And and when people get a reputation of

(27:22):
taking their money and you know, there's really nothing you
could do from them, they're never satisfied. They could become
a nightmare, you know, as a matter of fact. But
you know, some people get a reputation of taking that money,
and some people get a reputation too, of not only
just taking that money, but also too, like having relationships
with them and taking them along on stickouts and stuff like.

(27:43):
You hear this all the time, you know, And a
lot of these women too. They'll go from one PI
to the next and I'll say, oh, yeah, the last PI,
he took me out on a surveillance with them one night.
You know what, what are you kidding me? So there
was a lot of that around tattoo, but you don't listen.
A lot of guys do that.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, And I wanted to clear one thing up because
I'd heard it from a few sources, was that I
think Jackie mcgauley was upset because she felt that Ted
had sort of sensationalized some things in the mc martin case.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Am I wrong about that or.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I don't know that. I don't know about I had
one phone call with mcgauley, which was a very pleasant
phone call. She thought she actually she saw me posting
online and she thought I was Michael Constantine and she says, hey,
is that you you know, using the.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Fake name It was Constantine or.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Alex Constantine, Yeah, which is not his real name anyway,
that's a pseudor to me. Uses but so she thought
I was him, and so we were going back and
forth and he said, no, no, I'm not Alex Constine. No, no,
I'm not Aperman, you know. And then she gave me
her phone number and that's how I want them calling
her up. And she was going out on a date
in a couple of hours. She kept mentioning why I
got a date. I have to get ready for this date.

(28:53):
So we It was a short conversation maybe a half
hour forty five minutes, and so nothing about sensationalizing the case,
but more resent because you know, stuw Webb said she
was dead. I wanted to get a hold and stew
web said she was dead. But I locate her.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I found it well that It's quite a character too.
I think he's from your neck of the woods in Nevada.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I don't know where he is. I don't think he's
in Nevada right now. I think he's like in Missouria,
something like that. I think he's like off the radar.
I think we talked about this last time. I think
he's just dropped off the raidar. He's doing nothing now.
But you know he has a lot to say about Teddy.
He had his falling out with Ted. I got a
great show I did with Doug Mallar where he talks
about the fallout with Stu Webb and Ted Gunderson, where

(29:32):
Stu Webb was living with Gunderson in an apartment here
in Vegas in a condo, and Stu Webb climbed up
into the terrace into the apartment to get some boxes,
and there was a guy who there was some noise
out in the hallway. So another guy that was living
there with Ted went out in his boxer trunks into
the hallway and Stuwebb pushed him out the door and
locked the door and then took all these boxes. It's

(29:54):
the craziest story you ever heard in your life. All
these people CouchSurfing each other's house a little some stinger missiles.
You know, you hear all these crazy stories like how
you got away with all this stuff. I don't know,
because even with the we had a little case we
worked on here together. Here, I had a very small
part of it. You know. He was always under scrutiny.

(30:15):
So I don't know, man, I don't know. I can't
people the love him or they hate him. I can
only tell you what my experience was with him was.
And firsthand that he told me his there was at
Omissions Insurance was paying for that lawsuit, and I know
that's impopuble. And firsthand that someone saw him working at
the FBI off was right before he died. Wow, yeah,
that stuff I could testify to in court.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean that whole Uh. I
would suggest readers uh read up on Ted Gunderson, stew Webb,
all these characters, because regardless of what the truth is,
it's it's uh, it's it's definitely uh entertaining at times
to hear some of the stories.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, no, it is. And if you listen to that show,
like I said with Doug Mallar, it's in the member section,
it's a funny story climbing up to the balcony, you know,
and pushing this guy out in his underwear, you know,
and then he took all these boxes of evidence, you know,
but who knows if that's true either? You know, who
knows with this bunch, you know, they all up to sensationalize.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
And yeah, well I wanted to back up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Uh, before before you got involved in a lot of
this PI work, you you even have like a sort
of storied life before that. You uh you owned a
nightclub for a while, I believe, right, yes I did. Yeah,
and then uh, you also were involved with the yippies.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Could you tell us about that?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah? Well, so you know, if you notice it's all
the same kind of theme, you know, it's a the
same kind of skullduggery, you know, and organized crime characters
you know, you know, all the same kind of theme
throughout my whole life. I got involved with. It all
started out, you know. I was in marijuana enthusiast in
high school, you know, and I heard about National Marijuana Day.

(31:57):
So I went down yippie headquarters, you know, and I
hooked up with them, and it just blew my mind.
I was like, you know, it's like nineteen seventy seven,
nineteen seventy six, and they were talking about the Trilateral Commission,
you know, and all this kind of stuff that I
had never heard before in multi national corporations and global
two thousand and they had this newspaper, Yipsper Times, you know,
and they knew the guys from a move you know,

(32:19):
who got blown up in that building down there, and
oh yeah, yeah, I met some of those guys before
they died because there was another attack in there. They
had a house, a free standing house where they were
attacked and I had a shootout with the cops and
they were hippie. I met them there, so you know,
it was just a fascinating place to hang out. Tiny
Tim you know, was hanging out there and what was
the other guy, Alan Ginsburg. You know, it was just

(32:41):
a wild place, you know, right around the corner from CBGB's,
you know, a great time in New York City, seventies
punk movement and stuff like that. So I became a
political activist and the street activist, an anarchist, you know.
And that was my also too. There was a lot
of co intel pro infiltration. I met a guy from

(33:02):
the Rainbow family who was one of the big shots
in a rainbow family, and it came out that he
was on the payroll of the KGB. You know. Some
of the acuteness says, what do you expect he's on
that he's getting paid by the KGB. So I pulled
him aside privately and I says, hey, you know they're
saying you get paid by the KGB. And he goes, no, no, no, no, no, no,
I get I got a stipend from the Russian consulate

(33:23):
for my poetry. The guy couldn't even write up you know,
degree doc. That guy couldn't write a poetry. It's a
life to feather. But he's telling me he gets a
stipen from the Russian embassy. So it was this whole
kind of skullduggery and agents and informants of people from
High Times magazine and stuff. It was this weird and
ensemble of folks, the hippies and my political activism cript

(33:46):
Al Sharpton, you know when he was just a young guy.
Great time, you know, a great time in my life.
And I learned a lot you know, a w BAI
the radio station I worked down there, there's leftist station
in New York City. Uh so, you know, you know,
it was a great tome. But and that's they also
had the phone freaks, you know, and Captain Crunch and all,
and they knew how to get free phone service and

(34:07):
all kinds of stuff too. So I was on the
cutting edge of all that stuff as we also looking
over our banks FBI surmailance. So that was a good
proving ground to get into p I work, you know,
to be comfortable around that kind of activity people with
criminal cases, you know. And so then I got into
the PI work and then worked at some big organized

(34:27):
crime cases, the Commission case and the Pizza connection case,
and the Carma and Persico case, a lot of big
organized crime cases because the office I worked out of
that was that was mostly organized crime stuff. Used to
do those bug sweeps, you know. He used to send
me into addicts and stuff like that with the bug
detectors crawling around there. And uh, then yeah, I left that.

(34:50):
I went to the nightclub business. I got I was
involved in a lot of stuff. You know, we'll be
kidding right that you're a New Yorker. Yeah, yeah, I
was out there doing a lot of and I went
into the nightclub business for a while, and then that
we got evicted from the space. That didn't go too well.
I ran with the bulls in Spain. You know, had
a very very interesting life, you know, my little what

(35:12):
I call it in my book. I wrote a book
called How to Become a Successful Private Investigator. And I
had an unfortunate brush with the law. Okay where I was.
I was found in a truck in Arizona with a
thousand pounds of marijuana, and ultimately we resolved all that favorably,
in my favor. So I've had a lot of adventures

(35:33):
in my life, you know, like I said, running with
the bulls in Spain. You know, smuggling, you know a nightclub,
you know, the organized crime, the yippies, you know a
lot of fun stuff when you look back at it,
you know, when you have to live and do this stuff,
we have to live through this, it's not that much fun,
you know, But looking back, it's kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Did you ever get to meet the great Yippie Abby Hoffman?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yes? I did. I met Abby Hoffman. I was there
the day he was turning himself in, you know, at
yippie headquarters, and all the media was swarmed. The whole
street was swarmed with media out in front of our
headquarters there. And it's funny. The guy who was the
yippie spokesman. I says, well, are you gonna go out there?
He goes, no, no, no, I'm not talking today. I'm not
talking to anybody. A guy named Fred gopet Or one

(36:16):
of the coolest people I've ever met in my life.
So but then later on, when I was working at
w BAI, I had done some volunteer workers something like that,
and I won a contest or whatever it was on
an autograph copy of Abby Hoffman's bok Steal this book,
which I still have, which is a great book. I
recommend to anybody. You learn a lot of life hacks
through there. And he autographed the book for me. I

(36:38):
met him then and then later on, and he didn't
seem so bad at that point. He seemed like a
decent guy. But later on it was an event for
the New York Public Interest Research Group, which was a NIGHTPERG,
which was an environmental group, and he was doing an
appearance there and he was just a difficult guy. He

(36:58):
was He wanted to argue with everybody. You couldn't he could.
You couldn't agree with Abbie Hoffman. Okay, at that point,
it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
There that incident where the guy from I forget which
band it was, The Who or the Kinks, like hit
him with a guitar at like Woodstock.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I don't know. I don't know about that, but I
knew Wavy Gravy, the guy from from Woodstock. I met
him a few times. That's cool, Yeah, yippy headquarters. Yeah.
But yeah, but Abby at the end, he just wanted
to He was a bitter guy argument there. But he
had that thing with the seasonal depression, you know, and
he was he was chopping up painkillers and snorting painkills

(37:35):
right in front of everybody. You know. It was he
was out there at the end, you know. And instead,
because the guy was a hero you know. It was
my hero growing up.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, and you also, I guess are sort of friends
with one of the unherouted yippies, Aj Weberman. Could you
tell us a little bit about Aj? Well, it hit
him on the show a few times.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I had him on the show a few times, which
was really you know, because growing up, you know, like
sixteen seventeen years old, you know, and and I knew,
you know, AJ was a legend, you know, and people say,
see that guy. He wrote that book in America, you know,
and he came up with the whole they but the
three Tramps, you know, being the Watergate burglars. He sued
the Watergate burglars back and forth. You know. Uh. Fascinating
was garbiologist dialonologists. Fascinating guy, a hero of mine.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
That's a little bit about like what what what is
the deylenology thing about?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
He understood a decipher he still does. He thinks he
can decode Dylan's lyrics and he's a little obsessed with that.
He was also head of the Jewish Defensive Organization too,
and at one point he had the yeah, no, not
the league in the organization, Jewish Defense Organization, Yeah, the
jd O, which we're at war with the JDL. As

(38:42):
a matter of fact, he had he had his He
lived right across the street from Studio nine, from nine
to Bleaker Street, which was Hippy headquarters. Across the street,
we had a nightclub called Studio ten, and he lived
upstairs of Studio ten. So he had in the lobby
of his building, he had it rigged with tear gas
that if someone came into the building he didn't like,
he could lock the doors and spray with teargats. Right,

(39:04):
So these guys come and he kind of denies the
story now, man, But these guys came who were from
the JDL trying to serve him with these papers, and
he locked him in his spraying me and he was
holding him hostage, and it was a hot hostage standoff
going off for like twelve hours or something like that.
So that was a whole fascinating rested. I don't know.
He did some prison time too, but and aj too.

(39:25):
He used to get the hash in the pot and
stuff like that from Richard Stratton the Hippie Mafia. If
you look for the book The Hippie Mafia.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah, I know about Richard Stratton.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, yeah, cool, Yeah, see I never met Richard Stratton
back then. Maybe I saw him around, but I didn't
know it was him. But I used to get my
hash in my pot from through Richard Stratton, through AJ,
through Fred, through me, you know, and then I would
distribute all over Staten Island. I was known as any
from Staten Island back in those days, in my yippie days.
That's how I is now.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Didn't AJ also get like a restraining order too from
like Bob Dylan because he was like collecting Bob Dylan's
garbage or something.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
He invented garbology where he would go steal people's garbage,
which today is a tried and true investigative technique even
with the online bill Pang and even with the shredders,
it's still a great way to to do an intel
on people. So he invented that man age. Is a
serious guy, I mean, the serious researcher wrote the JFK books.
Who knows everybody involved a JFK sassination. He knows Marita Lorenz.

(40:22):
They have Thanksksgiving dinner together. He just testified before the
Portugal Parliament like as much as like a colorful character
he was. He new John Lennon he hung out with
John Lennon and Yo going on their bed eating fried
chicken on their bed in the Dakota. So fascinating guy. Uh,
you know, and our hero of mine. I looked up
and respected him again. You know today he's kind of racist.

(40:44):
You know, he said some stuff you know about blacks
and about Barack Obama. You know, I asked him at
the end of our interview when over Enthewes, I said,
you know, you have many regrets, and he goes yes,
supporting Obama. Then he says, well, he's you know, he's
anti Jew, and said, you know, so I love him
and I'd give him a show too. But then I think, well,
you know, do I really want this a j today

(41:04):
to be the the well, I don't know the legacy,
you know, of the age. I knew up, you know,
hero people, it's kind.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Before other people were, and I knew he's uh he
was racist.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Actually I was thinking about him recently when Ron paul
Is back in the news after some meme that referred
to UH cultural Marxism and and sort of had these
like offensive pictures of Jews and and blacks, and A
J was one of the first people to call UH
Ron Paul out for you know, racism.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Heah, well, he's the one who found the stuff about
Trump's father being in the KKK, you know. And he's
still on the cutting edge man the guys. Still his
research is excellent, you know. And and I love him,
you know, and respect him. There's a hero, you know,
and you can you know, and you can. He still
treats me like a kid when we're on the phone,
all right, and I gotta go, you know what I mean?

(42:08):
And you know what do I still treat people like
kids too. You know that I'm forty years older an
when they were a kid. So in some ways, you
know what, I gotta respect that, you know, I don't know.
He was my boss, you know, he's my superior, and
I still gotta gotta respect that. In a lot of ways,
I'm a good soldier stuff. Oh yeah, definitely. I mean

(42:30):
I like AG a lot from what I've seen him online.
He's on Facebook occasionally. He's an interesting guy. Yeah, you can't. Yeah,
you can't take that away from the guys. Had led
a life, man, He's lived a life man, and you know,
he's out there.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
What I think This is a good way to segue
into another topic. You know, you were talking about hanging
out with people like Ted Gunderson and Art bella earlier,
but you're also a guy that hung out with the yippies.
Some of my listeners maybe confused because, you know, so
the people would say, oh that Teped Thunderson and Art Bell.
They were kind of right wing nuts, right, But you're
hanging out with the yippies and you also you're a

(43:08):
self described socialist.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, I have no problem with doing business with anybody.
I don't hold anything Biker's church. And I'm a born
again Christian too as well. I was an evangelist. I
traveled with a tent ministry for six years. You know,
I have no I respect everybody as they come to me.
You know, if we have different opinions, I have no
problem with that. I never got into politics with Belle
at all. I did with Gunnerson because I said, hey,
how can you be out there doing dirty on the

(43:33):
black panthers? You know, so we disagree on that. Even
though I was trying to get his business. I wanted
money from him and do business. But yeah, I'm a socialist.
You know, I'm a real socialist, and I just got
some real grief about this. I did this interview the
other day and forget it. The whole audience doesn't seem
to understand where I am. I'm not a democrat, you know,

(43:57):
I'm a socialist. Those are capitalists, you know. Socialist, I
believe in workers' rights, that the worker should keep one
hundred percent of their fruit of their labor. That if
a worker is working for a company, you know, he
should receive all of his the fruit of his labor
in proportion. You know, of course manager with the rould
make less than you and the guy cleaning the toilet,
But you know everyone would would earn instead of people

(44:22):
who aren't working for that company but hold a piece
of paper in their hand and claim that they own
a share of that company and can somehow reap rewards
and income from that piece of paper in their hand.
Like a capitalist will hold a piece of paper saying
I own part of that company. So even I'm not
going to show up for work every day, I'm going

(44:42):
to get some of the profit from that company. And
I say, no, those who work shall eat, and that
capitalists can go back and eat that piece of paper.
How's that okay? And the worker shall keep the fruit
of their labor and keep all their money. And I
can't see how anybody can disagree with that.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, And you actually did an interview recently with a
guy calling himself like Joe. Yeah, you get a book
called Socials Some Sucks. You sort of took him to task,
right to you know.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Well, I like the guy. He's a nice guy, and
I think I pretty much ate him alive. But what
are you say? And then I did a whole commentary
after it tour. I really go into depth and I
explained my beliefs in my theories in socialism and nationalizing
the oil industry, which is, you know, oil is on
your feet, it's under my feet. We own it equally,

(45:31):
and it blows. It's a national resource. It's a natural resource,
but it's also a national resource that we all own equally.
And other countries nationalize it and they share the profits
from that industry with the people. You know, in some
countries they have a retirement account you get when you're
retired from the oil from the sale of oil from
under the ground, from under all of our feet equally,

(45:53):
you know, makes perfect sense to me. And if we
could nationalize any of the profits that are made in
the oil industry, if we can nationalize it and reduce
the price of oil and gasoline, what like fifty cents
a gallon we can knock it down to they would
would spur the greatest economic stimulus and the history of mankind.

(46:15):
And then if we could just force the top one
percent to pay their fair share taxes, if they would
just pay what you and I are paying right now
in taxes and percentage wise, the rest of us could
pay no tax and it would still double the revenue
each year. So again you and I would have double
the amount of money in our pocket the national reserve,

(46:36):
would we get double the income and again the greatest
economic stimlius in the history of mankind.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, and it's it's crazy too because like one of
the things I've seen you get out when talking about
socialism is, you know, people complain about those who are
on welfare and say that they're writing, but they never
think about how the capital is free off the laborers.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Exactly right, which is which is why I try and
make that point, like why would you let these these lazy,
morbidly morbidly rich people, you know, leach off of us,
you know, and not work like the Walton family. The
six members of this family never worked a day in
their life, never created a single job in their life.
Are actually one of them is guilty of murder, a

(47:22):
drunk driving murder where she killed somebody, and she's walking
around free with where the where their murder erased from
her criminal record. You got these sist people never worked
the day in their life, and busy attack subsidies, and
we're paying for their payroll through food stamps and stuff
like that because they don't even pay their work is
a decent wage. And these people today possess forty percent
of this country's assets. If you and me and aj

(47:45):
Weberman and Ron Paul, we all took our little pennies
and our nickels, and our dimes, and our car deeds
and our titles to our to our apartments and all
this stuff, and we put in a big pile, one
hundred and seventy five thousand of us would be equal
to the pile that those six members of the Wart
family could put together. Six people equal one hundred and
seventy five people in wealth. Now, if you had another situation,

(48:09):
you know, where people were hoarding money like that, if
it was a person who was morbidly obese, hoarding animals
or hoarding newspapers in their home, and they were morbidly obese,
we would cut a hole in the side of their
house and pull them out of there, send the EMS
and the fire department over there to rescue them. Okay,
But in this situation, we let this, these six folks,

(48:29):
and we would reward them. We would look at them
like heroes, like they're their royalty or something. They're greater
than us, than you and me, and they deserve more
than you and me somehow, you know, some of the
sickness that we have. They're worshiping these obscenely rich and
just for their own good and for the good of
the country. We need to put a stop to that. Okay.
And I would nationalize Walmart too as well. And that's

(48:52):
another thing that nationalize easily without any fear of running
the business into the ground.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Well, that's one of the other things I like about
the Opperaman report. You know, you come at things from
a more politically left perspective. You talked about how the
DNC screwed over Bernie, You've talked about all this stuff.
You're You're a far cry from you know, these clowns
like Alex Jones, who was just you know, saying that
there was going to be a civil war starting, you know,

(49:19):
on July fourth. I guess he was wrong about that.
You know, You're you're a good antidote to the uh,
the the the lesser, more sensationalistic voices in the alternative
media so called yeah thanks.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
You know, I wish that people weren't so programmed like
Pavlong's dog, that they when they hear socialists, they wouldn't
immediately jump, you know, to all these conclusions about you know, welfare,
you know, giving way and way to people who don't
want to work, when it's exact opposite, you know, And
if they would just stop and listen, you know, because
then it really you know, and I think, Okay, I
just had this whole big controversy on this other show

(49:55):
I just did where I'm being torn feathered for being
a socialists? Is uh? I forgot what? Uh? I forgot
what I was gonna say?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Sorry, Well, you said you were getting tarred and feather
for a show you were doing her Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say is when
people hear that I'm a socialist instead of actually hearing
what I'm trying to say about and oh yeah, I
hear it is here, It is there is what they're
gonna say. The same folks who think that the news
media is lying to them and everything, they're lying to
them about Trump and it's all controlled and the mainstream
media is controlled by the Jews and all this kind

(50:33):
of stuff, you know, and they can't be trusted. But
the one time they'll believe them is when the mainstream media,
which owned by you know, the biggest corporations in the world,
tells them that socialism doesn't work and socialism will never work,
and social need is bad for them somehow. Okay, that's
the only thing time they'll ever believe them when because
they think that they have something in their interests, you

(50:54):
know what I mean. And by the way, it's this
whole thing everyone right away, I start getting cold a
Jew and only you know, a globe. I'm Christian. I'm
not a Jewish, I'm not Christian. So that's a whole
other thing there.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, And you know, the stuff with Alex Jones is
just I don't know, it seems like, I mean, this
is the guy that was on KLBJ radio, which is
owned by Sinclair Broadcasting. I don't see why we should
trust guys like him or even you know, I'm very
skeptical of Roger Stone in a lot of ways. Now
they're telling us to trust Trump, it just seems like

(51:27):
a lot of hooey to me.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Well, you know, interesting, Roger Stone also was the manager
for Al Sharpton when Al Sharpton ran for president and
ran for mayor and stuff like that in New York City.
And Al Sharpton pretty much comes right out and says, yeah,
you know, he was just doing that to split the
Democratic votes of putting Republicans in office. So yeah, Stone,
I respect Stone for what he's doing. You know, I'm

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playing good friends with Saint John Hunt.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I Howard Hunt's son.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, r And he works for Stone. Now
he's a right for Stone. And in fact, when the
new book came out, that was the first show that
the Hunt did about the new book. I think know
what it's called, but it's the one that just just
came out of and you know, we talked about all
this stuff that was going on behind the scenes with
the whole Muleer investigation. So you know, by the way, too,
I'm kind of involved in that. I can say this.

(52:21):
This is what I can say. I just got permission
to say that I was the investigator and some civil
litigation against Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, So people have
to figure out which one it is. Okay, But in
the course of that litigation, and as you know, I
don't know if you're aware of this or not, if
we've talked about this before, is I'm the investigator for

(52:44):
Keith Daniels. I'm one of the main investigators he uses.
In fact, I'm the guy he comes to when he's
in trouble. And you know, Keith Davidson is the attorney
for Stormy dan He was the first attorney to cut
the deal with Stormy Daniels and cut all those deals
back and forth with the Michael Cohen your wirebleness.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, yeah, okay, that's my lawyer.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
When I have a client, that's who I send them to.
And when Keith's in trouble, he hires me, he brings
me into I just worked from the other day. And
the other one involved in all that is Gina Rodriguez
who used to be my agent, who was the agent
also too for Stormy Daniels and being hire we have
falling outs here and there, but not but still of
each other. And so I'm gonna be in those Michael

(53:25):
Cohen texts and those Michael Cohen emails and stuff like that.
My name is going to be in there, my address
is going to be in there. I actually believe that
it could come out that some threats that were made
against me back in twenty sixteen, some very serious threats,
could come out in all this as well.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
So there's that, well, that that's a bomb show that
people are going to have to look out for. This
Stormy Daniel's case is really interesting. It's not surprising, but
it's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
It is very interesting. The part that I find the
most interesting about it is if people would only realize
that the folks who took down Trump and is Keith
David and then Geina Rodriguez, who were there at the beginning,
who we're in this whole thing. And by the way,
I was talking about this bag in twenty sixteen. I
know all about this, this whole this porn star that
was getting paid off by Trump, and that the tabloids

(54:14):
were running interference for Trump. I talked about this way
back in twenty sixteen. But Gina Rodriguez was the an
Keith Davison. Were the same people behind the Wienergate? Did
you know that? No?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
I didn't realize that.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, yeah, people have no you know. I worked on
Winnagate too. I did the phones in Winnigate too. I
did the cellphone forensics and that I pulled out the
picture that girl Maria here in Las Vegas. But yeah,
so it's not politically those two aren't. Those two are
money motivated. They're not politically motivated. I'm politically motivated, but
I'm also money motivated too. Is long and I want
to make money. So the same people behind Wienergate to

(54:51):
take down Clinton's buddy there, Anthony Wiener, Woma's husband, are
the ones who went down and took down Trump. They
were also involved in the Charlie Sheen case, the Tiger
Woods case, all that stuff. This is that same group
that did this, And yeah, I know people have no idea.
And also to you know who Gina Rodriguez was. Just

(55:15):
did that TV series, She was the executive producer of it.
She did the Light Detective TV show too. She booked
everybody on Doctor Drew. She booked me on Doctor Drew.
She used to book the people on Doctor Drew rehab thing.
He did that celebrity rehab and she was behind the
Mama June from not to Hot Honey Boo Boo's mother

(55:36):
just did that makeover thing. Yeah, that was g So
that was going on. Well, Gina what Drigue is And
I hate to keep measuring her name because I'll hear
from Michel Cold screaming at me. But while that was good,
she's there with Mama June doing that, you know, that
whole farce. At the same time they're negotiating with Trump
getting a payoff from Trump. This is what's going on,

(55:59):
you know what I mean? Yeah, I know, it's just fascinating.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
What's it's uh, you know, I kind of like how
Stormy Daniels has dealt with this whole thing where, you know,
all the all the Trumpkins are like, ah, you're just
doing it for the money, You're a porn star. She's like, yeah,
I am doing it for the money. I think it'll
make a good bio pick one day, you know, she
she she she doesn't care in the same way that
Trump doesn't care. And that's the only thing that will

(56:22):
drive these Trumpkins nuts.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Well, you know, Gina was a porn star too. She
was Demi Delia. Oh okay, yeah, so there's a thread
running through a list.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
If you notice, well you you were a didn't didn't
you tell me last time that you were involved with
the uh the Alexis Caprice Charlie Sheen kass because she
talked like briefly about that.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Uh Alexis Capri. That wasn't her name. Carprie Anderson was
her name, but she.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Has a yeah, she went I think she went by
both names at one point, but Carpria Anderson, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, I only knew Kapria Anderson. But she has a
real name too, but I don't remember what it is.
And what happened was with that was, uh, Keith Davison
was a well that too. I don't know if I
can talk about everything with that. But what happened with
that was she was attacked by Charlie Sheen. I believe
that that whole anyway, I can't get it to that,
but she was attacked by Charlie Sheen in the Plaza

(57:13):
Hotel in New York City, and when the cops came,
which has not been reported in the press. I don't
think at all she was hiding in the bathroom. It's
a little girl too, by the way. She's looking at
ninety nine pounds and.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Real, real petite little girl.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
I felt bad when I heard about that story.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, and Charlie Sheen, by the way, he was out
on probation for pulling a wife on his pulling a
knife on his wife on Thanksgiving Day over there in Colorado.
Was covered in blood, his own blood because he had
broken on his glass and stuff like that. When the
cops came in, he was naked head to toe covered
in blood, you know, like smeared all over his body,

(57:52):
and no one talks about that. So she was terrified.
And so then he tried to sue her, you know,
and stuff like that, and Keith represented her and I
got involved in after pulling up some text messages about
how he was offering her money and stuff like that.
So that was pretty much my involvement in that as
far as what I could talk about.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Okay, okay, Yeah, Well I wanted to bring it up
just because I mean, that's the type of people Alex Jones,
I guess hangs out with. And it seemed like an
interesting little story. You know, You've been involved in all
these like really crazy high profile cases.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
It's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Well you know also too. You know I did some
shows on Jones too, and I tried to book his wife,
his ex wife, to come on my show. She turned
out to be a total.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I've dealt with Kelly Email a few times. It's hard
getting her on at times.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
She's impossible. She's a total flake. You know. I got
into a huge fight with her. Now we're supposed to
be doing a show. We have a show scheduler right now,
and she's on Twitter tweeting to five hundred people. You know,
So anyway, I forget it. So but I've done shows
about Jones too, in his background and his shadiness, his
court lawsuits with his ex wife and stuff like that

(58:58):
where he said, you know, it's all performance and he's
not really involved in you know, Sandy hook lawsuit and
stuff like that. Uh So, yeah, Jones, I have no
respect to him whatsoever. And I know people who knew
him too in the radio business to work with him
in Austin when he was down in Austin's dinner, you know,
he got into a fight with some guy and called
the cops and stuff, and it's just the wacky guy

(59:20):
man and in a lot of different ways, and definitely
on the payroll. He's this guy's this guy's making one
four million dollars a month or something like that selling
his hard pill. Yeah. Yeah, And I love how he
says I got together with some scientists and reinvented this.
I love this guy, no shame, you know. And by
the way, I totally missed this whole July fourth revolution,

(59:42):
that the Democrats are going to have a revolution against
other capitalists, the Republicans. Yeah, that's likely to happen.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
George Soros, it's all George Soros.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, that's a whole other one. And I've done a
lot of looking at Hey, I can't really find what's
the first of all, Hey, listen, I know Black lives
matter here locally, I know all these up the group
is none of them are get anyone from sorrows. I
could tell you that for a fact, one hundred percent
from affect. But although we did have a protest here,
another Trump protest that was run by move on dot

(01:00:11):
org that was totally totally a shill operation. Man. They
just came into town and didn't even contact any of
the local activists or anything like that. It was a
total setup, and there was even some weird, suspicious stuff
that was going on too, where some armed Trump supporters
showed up, you know that we think there was going
to be a staged event, and also too, what happened

(01:00:31):
was there was definitely a staged event with that too,
where the cops helped the protesters block off the street
so that they could do a sit in in the
middle of the street, in which we would never happen
for real, not a real protest. And one of the
casinos too let them use a parking lot for free,
and it gave them bottled water. So that was a
staged event here. And then at the event, I didn't

(01:00:53):
actually go to it, but I had friends who went
down and watching they after the event was over, they
had some staged photos of people holding signs that said
on with her, you know that they inserted into the
story of But no one actually saw these people there
at the protest. So that was a move on dot
org hijacked event that was totally staged. And I got

(01:01:16):
some interviews I did to with the organizers of it,
where they pretty much admitted they weren't allowed to talk
to me anymore because they were getting in troll for
talking to me. So that's the whole thing there too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Well, I want to wrap up talking a little bit
about some of your greatest hits in terms of interviews
you just had. I mean, you've had some incredible fines.
You just had a Madonna Wallin off Natasha Cournett's mother.
Could you tell us about that interview? What's that episode about?
It's true crime one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yeah, I stumble on this whole thing with Natasha Cornett,
who was this Satanist who was married at seventeen years
old to a guy in the Church of Satan, had
a Satanic Bible and all the stuff, and they were
doing setent blood rituals in her bedroom as a teenager
and stuff like that. And she teams up with this
this group of gop kids, vampires and the Satanists as well.

(01:02:07):
They hop in a car to go down to New
Orleans because they were in fascinated with Anne Rice. They
run into a family with a mini van and they
wind up killing his family horrific murders and it was
a ritualistic murder too, where they shot them with triangles
in their chest and they had just done a blood
sacrifice ritual thing in a motel room the night before
with triangles as well, and they kept mementos from the family.

(01:02:30):
Each one had something in their pocket from the family
after this sacrifice was done. So it was definitely a
cult crime. There's no doubt in my mind to that.
So I was trying to do a show about it,
and I contacted an author who wrote a book and
she never got back to me. And I just contacted
the mother, Cornett's mother who came on the show. You know,
it's a tragic story, and she just kind of pretty

(01:02:53):
much admitted everything, but then kind of says, well, I
don't know what they were doing in their room and
I don't know what's going on. You know. It's a
fascinating interview, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Yeah, you have that one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
You also did an interview about the London nail bombing
in Britain which involved Neo Nazis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah. The guest on that is going to be doing
a hosting a show on my station, Awake Radio. I'm
gonna be promoting his stuff. He's doing some pretty good
work out there in the UK and we have a
big UK following in Ireland following too as well. Yeah,
I wasn't familiar with that story at all. But this
guy was a right wing guy, and definitely the cops

(01:03:35):
knew about him and knew about the he was doing
these bombings, and they knew his next target was going
to be a gay nightclub. So there's no doubt about that.
It was all covered up out there. You don't even
hear about the London nail bombing, you know, as one
of these big stories. But yeah, but he's he's on
the trail on that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Yeah, you've covered that, You've covered them. I'm looking over
some stuff. You've done a lot of shows on Corey Feldman.
I really recommend those. I don't know if you have
you covered the Alison mac cult thing yet in Hollywood.
I know you cover a lot of the Hollywood sex stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
No, is that that one the excellent thing. The excellent thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
That's Alison Max, the girl from Smallville, and she was
part of like a master slave sex cult by a
guy and all the women were like sex slaves or
some weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Very little, but I was able to confirm that for
a fact that Stormy Daniels was never involved in that cult.
People tried to make the claim that some tattoos she
had was involved in that and I've confirmed it. No,
she's not. But there's a lot of good stuff in
the members section. I did a show about Steve Bannon's
porn in Meth House. That's exclusive.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
I'd recommend that one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah. I did a show with them about McMartin preschool
where I have the geologists who did the original ground
penetrating radar who came on my show exclusively. No one's
interviewed this guy in thirty thirty five years, no one.
I found him and what do you call it? He
he sent me a document too reception, but he talks
about how he went there when they raised the building

(01:05:03):
and underneath the detached garage he found a hand dug
room underneath the garage that exists there. I have another
witness I'm working on right now that is gonna give
me a statement that he also saw that room. And
this guy's in a position, a much better position to
his connection to the property is much more significant than

(01:05:23):
we have with mister Michaels, who's the geologist. I had
Tim Tait, who wrote the who did the film Conspiracy
of Silence. Everybody wants to talk about Franklin cover up
and conspiracy of silence and how it was banned from
the Discovery Channel. I actually have a producer around there
who tells the whole story, a lot of good stuff
in the member section. Man that I'm McCracken, Brian McCrackan.

(01:05:43):
In fact, I'm interviewing him later on today. Who was
a witness of the arlist Perry murder. That's in the
news right now because they arrested some security guard up there,
So I'm gonna get him on the show today. I'm
to be interviewing him about what he thinks. Now with
this guy, I think his name is Crawford, the security
guard who wrote a confession letter and suicide letter two

(01:06:03):
years ago. If he was first contact and had Morritory's
book and his closet and all kind of stuff like that,
I suspected.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
The ultimate evil about the Son of Sam murders, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I had a lot too, Yeah, oh yeah, a lot
of Son of Sam stuff with Son of Sama witnesses
and Son of Sama victims and people are shop by
Son of Sam cult stuff like that. A lot of
process stuff, sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
And one of the one of the members episodes that
really impressed me was h he had a a reporter
from Vice on who did a article on ad Non
Kushogi's sex dungeon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
You like that one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
That's the only interview I've ever heard from that reporter
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Yeah, you like that? Huh? Yeah. But you know, he
contacted me till you wanted an interview with me about something.
He needed some information. I forigurut what it was. We
never got together, but yeah, i'd non KOs show. He's
a fascinating character man back in the eighties, used to
be on every week on the Lifestyles that Are Rich
and Famous because he was the richest man in the world.
They used to call him a saudy businessman, but he
was really an arms dealer, CIA agent, the mast I

(01:07:00):
worked with the Massad, was involved in I Ran Contra,
involved in uh drug smuggling, had his own island down
a Badhamas with a secret air base airstrip down there.
Best friends went on. Donald Trump lived at mar A
Lago there for a while when he was duck in
subpoenas had. One of his prostitutes was Heather Mills, the
wife of Paul McCartney. I actually had a long conversation

(01:07:22):
with one of his ex bodyguards who I tracked down
who wrote an anonymous book about being Ashoki's bodyguard. And
when I found him and I started talking to him,
he freaked out that I was able to find him.
He said he was gonna come on and do the show.
You guy wrote a book. You think he wants some publicity.
But he freaked out, man when I when I got

(01:07:43):
him on the phone, he said, how'd you find me? Man?
And so there was that but show. He's a fascinating
by the way, I Shogi is behind that book. Men
are from Mars and women are from Venus.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
He's the gunn Gray.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Yeah, yeah, he's sort of a proto Jordan Peterson type character.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Well, John Gray too was behind the whole nine to eleven,
the Truther guy too, you know, very suspicious origins, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
So yeah, and one of your other guests, Daniel Hopsicker,
who's a great investigative journalist. You've had him on a
bunch of times. He's covered all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
You can't beat Daniel Hopster because this guy should have
a Pulitzer prized his work on the flight schools down
there in Florida, the Venice Beach flight schools before nine
to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Al Muhammad Atto was there, and there was you know,
a DC nine plane with cocaine, all kinds of really
crazy stuff. If you think it's crazy at first, then
you really listen to his stories and the journalism he's done.
He's very hard nosed about stuff, doesn't deal with nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
No, I agree with you one hundred percent. And also too,
you know he lived with Barry Seele's wife, Barry seals widow,
that he lived down there with him in Barry Seals's son,
And he did all that work on Operation forty. He's
the one who found that photograph. Everybody talks about Operation forty,
of all the Operation forty assassins down there at the
nightclub in Mexico, He's the one who found that photo

(01:08:58):
and identified each person in. So Danie Hopsick has done
some legendary work man, and God bless him, Thank god.
He loves to come on my show.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
If anyone has seen that movie with Tom Cruise American
made about Barry Sale, Daniel Hopsicker's got the real story
on that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
He's got the scoop.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, and also too, we just did a little segment
too about Vince Vaughn's mother being involved in one of
these hedge funds. That was laundering money for these drug dealers.
This guy, he knows how to track down launded money,
he knows how to check down his plans, he knows
how to do all that stuff. He's really really sharp
at all that kind of stuff. Daniel Hopsick a great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
And are there any other favorite guests you've had on
the show or shows you would recommend the listeners listen
to if they're interested in true crime or the conspiracy
topics you cover.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Shows I'm really proud of are Richard Lambert, the FBI
agent in charge of the anthrax investigation. I'm proud of
that show, and we've become friends off the air. He's
a cool guy. And this guy was briefing the Bush
White House every day on Andrex. Who was that guy
Bush's vice president? That Cheney he was He was briefing

(01:10:08):
Cheney dailies. And you know, I think that was a
good guest. Move Ramona Africa the shows that did on Move.
She was one of the survivors that when she would
try to escape that burning building, they were shooting at her.
She was the only survivor of Move. As a matter
of fact of doing, the last living survivor from that attack,
police attack. I'm proud of those shows. Fred Whitehurst, doctor

(01:10:30):
Fred Whitehurst, the FBI, UH director of UH forensics, you know,
worked on everything. In fact, in fact, you know what,
I just got contacted by some ed investigators in the
OJ case who wanted a hard copy of that interview
because there's he said something in that interview. There's a
very important evidence and the OJ case, the Steve Bannon

(01:10:53):
pornon meth house. I'm very proud of that. That's exclusive. Uh,
there's so many, man. Yeah, I'm really proud of a
lot of these shows. Oh, Betty medigin me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Yeah, particular, I know you've covered some mob stuff before.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Were there any of those shows you would recommend?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Oh? You know what, Uh, Frank Colatta. There was a
local gangster who was in you know, the guy in Casino.
He's actually an actor in Casino to doing all those hits,
shooting all those people. He's an interesting guy. I enjoyed
those shows. I don't know, can you think of any
other of the mob ones?

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Uh, the the Michael, I don't know how you plan
pronounce his name, Michael bluet Rich. He did the right
the book about owning a strip club. And I think
he was involved somehow in the John Gotti story, so
I'd recommend that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yeah, Mike blue CHRISTI the Scores, he wore one of
the ones, the Scores A. That's a good show. So
I enjoyed that show as well. Yeah, it's it's so
funny to because so many these people, you know, the
the inter you just is just the start of it, really,
and then then things go on off the air where
I get involved, like sometimes hired, you know, in different

(01:12:01):
cases and stuff from this. So it's fascinating how you know,
like talking to a listener, someone who listens to the
shows and what really good's going on the whole big
picture behind the scenes. But Cynthy McKinney, I enjoyed those
shows as well that I did with her.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I think you've even had some You even had some
fun episodes. I think you interviewed someone that was involved
with like the burlesque dancing scene at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Probably did. I don't remember that. How about Alan Abell?
Remember Alan Abell, the hoaxer from the seventies. I had
him on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you've had Sean Atwood on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
That's another good one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Oh, he's a good guy. Yeah, he's always got good stuff,
good content coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Oh Sean.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
For those that don't know he he had some personal
experiences with that. I call him a scumbag. The Arizona
Sheriff Joe R. Pyo. So that's a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Sam Kennison's brother. I had him on the David Carroendan's
ex wife. I think that's a good You know why
I have come on sooner. Gretchen Bonna Ducci Danny Bonaducci's
an ex wife. Oh really yeah, And you know, my
my ex girlfriend went to high school with Danny Bona Duccie.
So I know some stories that I have never made
the press. He used to hang out with Michael Jackson

(01:13:12):
and Christian Brando. Oh really yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I mean you've you've covered a lot of that that
Hollywood stuff. I know, you've done shows about John Belushi,
and of course you've covered uh the whole Laurel Canyon
weirdness with uh, you know, the late Dave McGowan.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Yeah, Dave McGowan. You know, you know, people don't really
realize this, but if you go back and look at
and I was one of the first guys to really
interview Dave McGowan besides Maria call heller uh. And when
I started, even before the first couple of times I
interviewed him, I would mention him, like when I went
on Coast to Coast, I would say, hey, have you

(01:13:51):
heard about this book whit I'd mentioned it? So I
mentioned him on the Coast to Coast before even even
Dave did Coast to Coast. And then it was funny too,
because I don't know if it's funny, but I needed money.
I was short on money, and John B. Wells, producer
contacted me and bought my rolodex of my guests the
different guest today. So I sold him Dave McGowan's contact

(01:14:13):
information so that he could bring Dave McGowan on the
show over there too as well. So there's a lot
of stuff, oh man, there's a lot of stuff behind
the scenes with day McGowan. It's actually I had a
couple of people involved with my show that were stalking
day McGowan, who stalked him on his hospital bed in
his hospital down there. So there was a lot of
skullduggery and intrigue behind the whole Dave McGowan story as well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
He for my listeners that don't know. Dave McGowan wrote,
I mean it's kind of a it's a conspiratorial take
on the Laurel Canyon music scene where he makes connections
between Laurel Canyon and the Military industrial Complex. He also
in that book weird scenes. I think it's called weird
Scenes in the Canyon.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Yeah, weird scenes inside the Canyon.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Weird scenes in the SADDI can. He does a lot
of coverage of the four on the Floorer Avenue, which
is now a podcast on Hollywood, and not covering that
John homes you know, but David Gawan covered a lot
of interesting stuff. I didn't always agree with him, but
I loved what he and all stood to me was
a great right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I had a home ex girlfriend on the show who
tells the story about on the floor and stuff like that,
and she was a little when when he got tutor
and so sorry, I don't hill right, don't shill you
also to the woman who was uh like a al

(01:15:37):
shop buddy, they are the god brother James.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Yeah, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
I got the John Comb shows I was looking for.
I'm going to do Cohen and I found you just
Cohen Don Holmes used on break Plane with sang Out
together led me on doing everyone Can I trunk Well

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Cohen too. You know, I had Trustine on the show.
He's the guy who arrested him detective. Yeah, he investigated
the Processed Church and stuff like that, and uh and
the Son of Sam murderers, and he also arrested Frank Sturgis,
and Sturgis supposedly confessed to him too about the JFK assassination, but.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Just involved in sturges for my younger listeners, was one
of the Watergate plumbers, right yeah, yeah, wait.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I had Frank Sturgis's nephew. There's another show I really
liked to Is a Guy because it's an exclusive that
nobody else interviews. Jim Hunt is Frank Sturgis's nephew, and
he's Frank Sturgis's alibi for the day of the JFK assassination. Right, Uh,
take that with a grain of salt. Now. I like
Jim Hunt very very much. Cool guy. He's a law
professor down in Texas, you know. And Doug Caddy too,

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I had on my show too, was the first attorney
for the Watergate burglars. But Jim Hunt tells many stories
about Frank Sturgis. Frank Sturgis had his own B twenty
five bomber. He had a bomber jet in his own
private hangar in Florida, and he went for the mafia.
He went to collect on a drug debt from the
the I think it was Haiti, from the president of Haiti,

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and went down there and bombed the ballast in Haiti.
Stuff like that. That he and Frank Surgis were making
napalm in their garage with all these young right wing
activists down there. Fascinating stuff about the Frank Sturgis too
fixed the remembers Bobby Riggs and the Billy Jing King

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that that big tennis match. Yeah, he had insight information
on that and rigged the betting on it. So Frank
Surgis is a lot of fascinating stuff with these characters.
And he was also involved in the murder of the
Chase Cavara two people, I mean, I realized, But yeah,
a lot of stuff there too as well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
And you even you've even heard of Danny Castileiro and
the whole Octopus Pross scandal with Ted Rubinstein, another great researcher.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah, Ted Rubinstein is again a legend. He worked with uh,
May Brussel. He worked with the who's that Avery? I
forget his name, Emery Emory, Dave Emery, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Dave Emery.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dave Emory's still kicking too. He still
does his show every week.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Really, I said, I was unaware of that. And he
also worked at the Larry Flint Publications too, So yeah,
Rubinstein is a legend, you know, in his own right.
Real sore thinker. I'm blessed to have this guy help
me up finding guests or giving me advice when I
needed milucky guy. Man, you know, I've caught the attention
of a lot of like Roth Miller, you know, not Ruth,

(01:18:48):
not ruthvel who's out of the guy who's told hum before?

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Oh, the NYPD detective.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
No no, no, the guy with the flying circus there
with Muhammadatza.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Oh, Daniel Hopsicker, Daniel Hopsicker. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
See, man, come on, man, I'm really lucky that did.
These guys like me and respect me, and they'll come
on the show and I could, you know, get their attention.
They contact me off the air and stuff. Yeah, man,
got you know, this is gold. These people are gold,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
I mean, I mean, you had you had you even
had Mark Mark Rudd from The Weather Underground on your show,
So that was interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Mark Rudd. He he did a lot of research on
me before he did the show, and he was pushing
my buttons from the very start. Did you ever listen
to that show?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
I did, I did. I enjoyed that show a lot,
didj He.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Was pushing my buttons man, throughout the whole show. Uh,
maybe you didn't notice, you know, very clever and it's
kind of I don't know man, because I asked him,
did you ever see any infiltration anybody? You thought it
was FBI undcover and stuff like that, and he said, nope. Well,
you know, if you look around room and you don't
see anybody was the undercoverage, maybe it's you, you know,
so it it's Mark Rudd. But I had him on

(01:19:53):
the show. Yeah, I had just show out to Uh.
Oh was that Leonard Peltier. I had his son on
the show too. Oh yeah, and he's rotten way in
prison right now. Leonard Pettil seventy seven years old, some
most eighty years old American Indian movement, right, Yeah. Betty
Metzger about the burglary, which was about the right the

(01:20:17):
burglars broke into the FBI headquarters and discovered all those
coin tele programs documents. I had the guy who found
the Operation Northwoods documents. I had him on the show, James.
I forget what his name is. He wrote some book
about the World War Two, which I wasn't really interested in,
but I wanted to get him on about the other thing.
Samantha Spiegel, who was an interesting character. She was this

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little girl, she was nine years old and John Mark
Carr from the John Benny Ramsey case was her school
aid in her school. And then later on when she
became an adult, they got into a relationship and he
tried to brainwash her into helping him kidnap little girls
for a second cult he wanted to form, and she

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had to get a restraining order against him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I had the attorney Robert David Lewis, who did the
FOI requests on the boys in the Track case, Lynn
Ives's son who was killed down there in Mina, Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Yeah, and that supposedly ties into the Clinton family.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Yeah, exactly. And he did a Freedom of Information Act
motion and if you read that motion, you go on
on and find it. Then man Beck gives the best
outline of the whole mina Arkansas, Iran contra drugs smuggling
operation that I've seen anywhere. He really lays it out.

(01:21:40):
And he's an aged attorney, like seventy seven years old,
and he's still working on his case with no help.
And I tried to hook him up with some people
to help him out. Maybe I should get back to
work on that. You know, I'm doing the best I can.
I'd want to san Dusky's victims on too, this guy
Greg Bukerini. It was also an organized crime type type

(01:22:01):
case too as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Yeah, you've you've covered so much stuff that it's it's
it's uh, it's mind bought. I mean, you've you've covered
obscure true crime cases. The Kerry Steiner case of course,
covered Ted Bundy a few times with Kevin M.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Sullivan, a great writer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Another one too. I did a show about Richard began Wald,
who was a serial killer in New Jersey, and I
actually met bigan Wald on Staten Island at his mother's house.
I had these marijuana growers from Tennessee. Beigan Walld was
done in Tennessee too. He had a connection with these
guys and they used to bring the marijuana from Tennessee
to Stanton Island. I would help him sell it. And

(01:22:42):
we met them one time at began Waald's mother's house.
We needed your location to meet these guys, and beigan
Wald was this wacky, agitated guy. He pulls out a
shotgun and stuff's waving a shotgun around. And so I
wasn't worried though, because I knew these guys for years.
I had my guy Pete with me. No one would
mess with me. And as we were leaving, he pointed

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to this area in the front patio. It was like
walled in, which is unusual for Staten Island to have
like a little enclosed area in the front of your house.
And he says, this is where we bury the bodies.
And you know, we just thought it was a stupid joke,
you know, And it turned out later on that yeah,
they had bodies buried in that in that house. And

(01:23:25):
I don't even know if they even dug with a
pot to the spot where he pointed to, because they
found bodies in a base turn of that house. He
was also he used to make these little gadgets like
a cigarette lighter that would shoot a bullet, and he
had snakes down there and he was milking them for
the poison and stuff. I'm friends with his attorney, Lou Diamond.
I've known him for years on Stanton Island. I'm trying

(01:23:45):
to book an interview with him. I just haven't gotten
around to it. For more on this begon Wall case,
I'd love to and I'd love to do a book
on it too. On the Begon Wall case, he told
his lawyer Lou Diamond began Wall did because he had
organized crime connections to his well. And he said, he says,
you know those kids on the milk cartons, He goes,
one of those kids are responsible for that that we

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take them when we sell their organs. Wow, yeah, wow,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Yeah that that actually leads me to ask one quick
question here let's start wrapping, is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
What do you think about you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Know, the the Eastereo rapist was recently caught with this
new you a sort of forensic evidence that it's not
being used to close a lot cass. Do you think
a lot of cases are going to get closed by
this kind of new technology?

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Yeah? I do, I do, because you know even this
what's that thing you see on TV genealogy, you know
the website that genealogy. I forget what it's called.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Yeah, yeah, I know you're tall. It's like a family
tree type website.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah yeah, watch out for those They want you to
send in your DNA. They sell that DNA to the
to the database, the government databases. I wouldn't get involved
with that because who knows what you're gonna do later
on in life. You never know when they do the
stuff hits the fan, you might have to go out
and do something. My god, Yeah, I don't want my
DNA record. Are you kidding me? Man? That's crazy. So yeah,
I warn people again, don't go giving your DNA to

(01:25:24):
to these people and so on like that. And I think, yeah,
it's gonna be a lot case it's gonna be solved.
I think as technology moves forward, a lot of old
cold cases, we're going to see even just this case
right now with the Arles Perry, you know, with this guy.
That's because they found his DNA on the on the bench,
you know, and they wanted to get a sample of
this DNA, so the hens there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
So it'll be interesting to see what cases can close.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of big famous ones, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
So, I mean, if we ever catch the zodiac and
find find out it'll be the day.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Yeah, fascinating because back in those days you never thought
twice about licking an envelope or lickstup, you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Know, yeah, yeah, And you know, I often wonder maybe
maybe this will maybe will finally like bring to justice
someone like Rodgers, who is also I don't know if
you were familiar with him when you were living in
New York, but he's sort of become a.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Sort of figure of infany infamy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Now. Yeah, I did a couple of shows on ditirst.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah, well listeners should hear those two.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
At the picture Lars. Oh, I want another one who
I'm really proud of, Sally Miller, who was one of
Bill Clinton's ex girlfriends in Trooper Gate, and she hadn't
done an interview in like thirty years because she originally
she didn't go public. She was outed against her will,
and so she did very very few interviews back then
and hadn't did an interview in thirty years. And one

(01:26:53):
of my listeners as a librarian and knew Sally Miller
and says, hey, you should go on this an Opperman show.
She came on the show and she just let loose man,
and she talked about how Hillary Clinton had two abortions
before Chelsea Whalsh was married. I bought the two kids
whalh she was married before Chelsea. And I'm driving along

(01:27:14):
on my car and I hear Rush Limbo quoting my
show and quoting my guest without giving me any credit,
you know. And then it got such a big story
too that the Russian TV, not RT but real Russian TV,
like the Russian MTV, flew to where she lives down
in Arkansas there and did an interview where they're there
in her house. That's a show I'm pretty proud of too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
And the last one I'll recommend for listeners is the
uh you interviewed the director of Who Killed Nancy? The
documentary about who who really killed the sex pistols Nancy?
I forget how you pronounced her last name spung in
or right sponging, so sponging, Yeah, yeah, And whether it
really said vicious or if it was someone else.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
You've gotten an amazing array of guests.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah, when you look back at it this way, because
sometimes I get this point that I says, ah, you know,
you know, what have I really done? You know? It's
a lot of good content, a lot of you know,
slash in between, but a lot of stuff I'm really
proud of. I have to admit, well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Really want to push my listeners to I want to
push my listeners to consider joining your members section. You
always have deals going on, correct, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Especially right now we're trying to raise money. I'm leaving
for California this Sunday. This Sunday morning, I'm going and
uh way we got to go to because my daughter's
gonna go visit colleges up there as well. But I'm
trying to take two trips. One is this work on
this McMartin case, and another one is to look into
I'm gonna go up. We're gonna up to Stanford University too.

(01:28:44):
I have a witness up there I want to talk
to about this whole artist Parry thing, which, by the way,
you know it turns out because it might because I
found a crack and nobody interviewed him before either. Uh
you know that. I'm kind of like really getting cluded
into stuff with that as well, So I'm getting a
lot of behind the scenes there. So if you want
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(01:29:04):
Oppermanreport dot com and it's a lot of great content
analyg just like Joe says. And I'll give you a
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(01:29:24):
I get the money fast for the strip. What do
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Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
And it's not just you won't just be getting free
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I should say you also have documents and a lot
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Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Yeah, the Jeffrey Epstein search warrant videos, the execution of
the search warrant, got the videos there. We have a
ton of Epstein documents, court lawsuits exclusively. No one's had
it and I'm surprised more people haven't put it up.
Is the twenty four page letter from Epstein's attorney where
he claims that he helped create the Clinton found that uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
And Jeffrey is the rich billionaire who also was involved
with teenage girls. Yeah, Coach Trump's a big fan of
him too. Jeffrey's a wild guy, as he once said, so.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Right, and their co defendants and a dissolved lawsuit against
the two of them for raping a thirteen year old
in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Well you've got all the information. You can get all
this and more if you you know, contacted Opperaman at
the Opperman Report.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah, thank you so much. Show.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Is there anything else you want to plug or.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
I doesn't want to plug? That's about it, man. Let
me think who do I have coming up? I'm doing
a show with McCracken, Brian McCracken from the Aulicst. Perry case.
I'm doing a show later on today. I'm taking a
bunch of shows today with who's that guy Nathan Forrest
Winter who was a little boy from Clowntown that was
raped on the from the producer of the director of Clowntown.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Oh, Victor Salva, the guy that did Jeepers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Right, yeah, right, yeah. So I already did a two
hour show with him, and doing an hour with him
today because there's a film coming out. And let me
tell you something, you got to listen to that show
because the Francis Ford coppol Is up to his neck
and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Yeah, I mean, Francis Ford Coppola has essentially, it seems like,
protected Victor Salva for years. I mean Salva could when
Victor Salva couldn't get work. It was Francis Ford Coppola's
production company that was making these cheepers creepers movies.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Yep and yeah, and you know, had them come out
of a jail to be at the premiere and to
fight that. It's it's unbelievable the stuff that that went
on in that case. This guy went there, got a
really broad deal and the way they treated

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Him, well, Hey, Ed, I want to I want to
thank you again for coming on Parallax View