Joe Six Pack "Socialism Sucks"

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well here we go. We have with us today a
gentleman uh named Joe Sixpack. Okay, and he's written a
book called Socialism Sucks, and so you can find them
on his Facebook page, which is real Joe six Pack
at Facebook dot com. Right, and I don't don't don't
little fake Joe six fact. You got real just six

(02:03):
pack and also too on Twitter, a real Joe six
Pack on Twitter as well. The book is called Socialism
Sucks Your Money from your pocket? Hey Joe, how are you?

Speaker 5 (02:13):
I'm good? An, how are you?

Speaker 4 (02:14):
I'm good? I'm good. It's one hundred and twelve degrees
here today. Okay, that's how I'm doing bro Okay. Yeah,
and I went for a bike ride this morning as well. Okay,
I didn't realize how had it was okay, well tell
us about yourself. Who is Joe six Pack?

Speaker 6 (02:29):
Well, well, Joe six Pack is just you know, he's
every man with common sense. I mean, that's that's that's
really our you know, our mantra is stirring the pot
with common sense. I mean today, when we look around,
there is there's so much just idiocy and and nonsense
out there that it's gotten so bad, and especially on

(02:52):
the left obviously the socialists in this world and the
socialist mindset has gotten so bad. That's speaking the truth
h is controversial. And and you know it used to
be that when you said things like that that that
was yeah, that was just you.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Know, you're exaggerating.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
But no, that's that's the reality that we live in today,
that that speaking the truth is very controversial. So so
what we tried to do with.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
The book is to is to just reach out.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
To people that maybe are our younger folks, that that
that don't know about politics or about this kind of thing,
or people that just are checked out of it.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
That that don't really pay much attention to it.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
Time is rapidly approaching where we're all being dragged into
the arena and we just want to arm people with
the ability to to think for themselves, because socialism is
all about other people thinking for you, and that's not where.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
We want to be.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
The book is written by Joe Sixpack is a pseudonym,
and there's another author as well who co wrote this
with you.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Correct, right, right, there's there's two of us. But but Joe,
Joe is every man.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
I mean, Joe is everybody that speaks common sense and
that understands common sense. So we thought it best to
to put a name like Joe six Pack where everybody
can relate to that guy. We've all heard that name,
we all know that name, and we all know that
that is just a very common sense, hard work and
blue collar guy that just goes out and tries to

(04:32):
make a living every day. And that's what we wanted
to do, is make make this you know, about everybody.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
So, so Joe six Pack would be a working man,
he would be a worker, that's right, okay, right, So
then Joe six Pack would he be a working man
or would he be a capitalist?

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Both?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Absolutely both? Uh you know it's and it's in capitalism
and I heard you talking about that earlier. God, I
love you.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
Capitalism is as you know, antithetical to socialism.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
So Joe sixpack is a guy that knows what's right,
works hard every day, doesn't.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
Want the government bothering him or stealing from him, but
needs a voice.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
And that's what we're trying to do here.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Right, Whereas the capitalist wouldn't work because the capitalist would
have his capital work for him.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
True, right, true, But you got to get the capital first,
and I think that's what goes all about.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Okay, So now how do you know, either you or
your co author, or either one of you like an economists? No, okay,
then how do you define socialism?

Speaker 6 (05:47):
Socialism is it's a mindset first and foremost. But socialism
is when the government controls the means of production and
there's an equal distribute of wealth mentality, and there is
everybody must be treated fairly and equally. But what people

(06:07):
that buy into that don't understand is that in order
to have that really nice sounding reality, but it's not.
In order to have that really nice sounding reality, somebody's
got to officiate the game. Somebody's got to set the rules,
and the people that end up setting the rules are
the ones that end up being much more equal than

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everyone else.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Right, either under socialism or capitalism, there's going to be
a government in charge, right right.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Well in charge, you know. Limited government obviously is much
more preferable.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
The bigger any government grows, the more it grows towards socialism. Now,
crony capitalism and socialism are very close, cousins.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
I mean, there's there's very very hard to.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
Argue for crony capitalism. A lot of the things are
very similar to socialism actually. But the key is we
believe is that the the bigger any government.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Grows, the closer it grows to socialism.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Okay, I said, I think that we have a Have
you ever looked up the definition of socialism?

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yes, but I haven't memorized it well like I can
read it.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Okay, political and economic theory of social organization that advocates
the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned
or regulated by the community as a whole, uh you know,
or or essentrally by a government. Okay, but it doesn't
even say that here. But I would agree with you.
Many socialist systems are like Venezuela, right is you know.

(07:48):
And even though Venezuela does have community little priests and
captains and stuff like that that make decisions that move
up the ladder. But now you're a different You're a
definitely of socialism is a different kind of concept.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Well, I mean you just said you said it's the
means of production in the hands of the many, the people.
But the problem with that is, as I said before,
is somebody has got to officiate that game, and the
people who officiate that game end up ultimately being the
government because the people feed the power over to that government,

(08:27):
so it's not really the people at all eventually. And
the bigger that that, the bigger that government grows, the
more socialists it will become.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Are you conflating socialism with authoritarianism authoritarian authoritarian government?

Speaker 6 (08:49):
I think there's very very many similarities to that. I
think that the socialism you're talking about is an ideal.
But what what happens when a socialism is implemented is
it is it grows towards that it becomes more authoritarian.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
We see that in.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
That's that's what Lenin said, socialism is a means to communism.
So that's the kind of authoritarianism you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay, And well, can you give an example of where,
like you know, Finland, and stuff like that. As a socialistcusment,
it's not the authoritarian in Finland.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Well, it can grow that, it can grow to that.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
So ultimately Finland will be a dictatorship.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Is Finland a dictator No, but you're.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Saying that ultimately it will become one. That's your fear.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Well, my concern is that the larger any socialist country grows,
the larger any government grows. If it is a socialist
government in nature, it will grow towards that, it will
grow towards communism, it will grow towards evil, it will
grow towards toward evil.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yes, okay, can you give me an example of that, Like,
let's say, like Venezuela or or Cuba, which is a
communist country. They've grown toward evil.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean communism is evil. So and and
Venezuela is I mean you've got people down there eating
zoo animals and people are fleeing that country.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
It's it's a disaster.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well, they let me ask a question that Venezuela, right,
because they weren't, you know, their socialism, their socialist experiment
was very successful in the beginning. They had gasoline was
like eleven cents a gallon down there. A six pack
of beer by the way, was one dollar. Okay, you should,
you should? You should? You should be the first one
in London. Well that's a good question. What did happen? Now?

(10:50):
If the idea is that they would have failed on
their own, why wouldn't like the US government just allow
them to fail on their own? Why were there all
these coup attempts and these infiltrations and the attack on
power grid and then the international food markets to cause
these disruptions and their food supplies. Why would they need
to do all that? If socialism is such a failed concept.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Why would who need to do any of that?

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Well? The capitalists? Why would the United States government capitalists
need to launch a coup, put in spies in it
to disrupt their power grid? We had like twenty five
embassy people kicked out of there. Why would we need
to do all that disrupting and attacking down there if
they were just going to fail anyway?

Speaker 5 (11:37):
So what are you advocating socialism?

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Absolutely, I'm a worker. I'm a worker. I'm for the workers.
I'm for people who work and want to keep their
the fruits of their labor and not give it off
to a capitalist who wants to live off the fruit
of his capital that's why socialism.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah, well, you're describing two different things here. I think
we are talking about crony capitalism versus true capitalism.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
True capitalism is when the market.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
Does its work, the invisible hand of Adam Smith.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
I mean, when the.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
Market is allowed to work. It will work when you
have people in there rigging the game. And as I said,
you know, crony capitalism and socialism are very close, very
closely related. So when you have people rigging the game,
then it's no longer capitalism italism.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Right, but socialism does.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
Right.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
But under socialism, every worker would keep the fruits of
his labor, he would keep and all the means of production.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
No, no, no, it never works that way, never ever
works that.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Way, because as I said, you have to have somebody.
You can't just have everybody equal. No, no, no, no, no, no,
officiate the game right.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
No.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
No, everyone wouldn't be equal. No, I'm not saying everyone
would be equal. And that's a myth. Okay that on
the socialism everybody would be equal. The dannata would get
paid a certain styles. You'd have a company. There's an
existing company right now, right, whatever it is, Well, all
the workers would own the same amounts that they're making now.
But the people who the stockholders, the capitalists who only

(13:18):
earned to see, that's a leech off the roof of
the company because they're earning money and they're not doing
any work.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
If they earned the money to begin with, it's rising
tide lifts all boats. If they if they earn the
money to begin with, and they invest it and give
everyone else that, you know, the people who work for
their paycheck and they're they're able to do so by
that person's capital, everyone's better off. If I earn x

(13:49):
amount of wealth and I want to take a risk,
and I want to invest it into a business, and
I got and I hire employees that do a good
job for me and they get paid, that's not a
bad thing.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
No, I understand that concept and under capitalism that that
is a good way to work. Okay. But the thing is,
if we had a state bank, right who funded the
business then and whatever that business is, all that profit
that goes off to the stockholders, right, and the non
workers that gets that gets leached off. The workers could
then be used to reduce the prices of the goods

(14:24):
you're selling and everyone would benefit.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Where would that go? Where would that money go? Who
would be managing the state? Bank the state? That's the problem.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
That's the problem is because you're putting too much trust
in faith in government. Every government. The bigger it grows,
the more corrupt it becomes. This country is right now
in a twenty trillion dollar debt twenty one trillion actually,
and social Security is bankrupt, Medicares bankrupt, Medicaids bankrupt. Our

(14:57):
unfunded liabilities are through the roof reason that is is
that the government asks you, me and everyone else to
trust it with our money, and whenever they take our money,
they waste it and they squander it. It was all
a lie. It's not there anymore because.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
They spent it.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Right because capitalism it.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Does, it spends other people's money. It doesn't have the
people's interests at.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Heart, It has its own interest at heart. It becomes
greedy and it craves more and more power.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
I agree with you. The capitalist system encourages greed, okay,
and they're right.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
The capitalist system encourages the pursuit of your own self
interest in a lawful manner.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
But you're what you're talking about is crony capitalism, which
I soolheartedly reject.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
So then you don't support the system of economic system
we have currently in the United States of America.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
I think the system is just fine. I think we
have a bunch of corrupt people charge of it. I
think we have a bunch of Democrats socialists that are
that are in charge, that are in power, and we
have establishment Republicans that are in power and they've they've

(16:14):
corrupted the system. The system itself works, but the system
is not going to work.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
As a socialist system. What did This country wasn't founded
on socialist principle?

Speaker 4 (16:24):
No, this country wasn't.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
On the sixteenth Amendment that was introduced to that was
passed in the early twentieth century. How did we get
by without an income tax before that time?

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Oh no, you came.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
Compact is an im moral amendment. It's immoral to tax
my income and that's a socialist principle.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no. I'll
want you there, one hundred percent of my friend, And
you want to know what you under my proposal, you
would pay no tax whatsoever. You wouldn't pay a diamond
tax because if the top one percent in this country.
Right if they would have just paid the same tax
rate then you and I are paying run as thirty
percent tax, they would be paying triple the tax they're paying. Now,

(17:08):
we would have an increase in revenue appecially almost a
double increase in revenue, and the rest of us could
pay no tax. You and I would have double the
amount of money in our pocket right now, if that
top one percent just pay their fair share like they
want you and me to pay. Now you would object.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
To that or not see no, no, no, I hear what
you're saying, and that sounds great too, But it ain't
gonna work because they're going to pay those taxes to
who Who are they going to pay those taxes those
They're going to pay those taxes to politicians, bureaucrats and
government employees that are going to waste that money.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
That's what's going to happen to it.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Okay, but wait, is it going.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
To come down to us? It's gonna get wasted. No,
I got that's what government does.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
I'm gonna encourage you. I'm going to encourage you in
a minut. Okay, because I like it, Joe, and I
like you. May come on, all right, I get fired
up on this. They kid, they kid, Listen, I haven't
had a drink man, and ninety days I haven't had
a beer. Okay, you can expect for me. I know. No,
I'm on a dieto like a fast you know, no sugar,

(18:16):
no coffee, no nothing for ninety days. But now, see
if we made this top one percent pay their fair share. See,
these guys they're making their money right now because they're
the big industry manager.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Michael Moore and George Soros.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Just like Michael Moore and George Soros. Okay, see if
they had to pay triple the tax they're paying now,
they're not going to allow that to go and get
wasted in the graft. And because they own those politicians,
you understand, so they're not gonna What do you think
do you think that they would allow that?

Speaker 5 (18:50):
Well, but now no, Well, I mean that's an interesting
way to look at it.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
What you're doing is that's crony capitalism because now they're
they're feeding the government that money and then it's going
to be in such to it it's going to stay
in that circle. It's not going to be filtered down
to the people. See that's what I think socialists don't
really think through sometimes is when you do stuff like that,

(19:13):
it's great. Is it's a great idea, it sounds great
on paper, but when you implement it, you implement you
introduce to human elements. And the human element is everyone
who's going to look out for number one more than
anybody else.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Okay, we're one hundred percent the people in charge. Now,
we're in one hundred percent in agreement that the people
in charge of crooks okay, the people in charge of
crugs okay, And they don't have your interest in mind,
they don't have my interest in mind. And we're both
trying to come up with a solution to that. Right.
But now, if like I said, once, we can see
these these rich, the rich and powerfully the obscenely rich,

(19:49):
the morbidly obscenely rich, right.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Bill Gates, George soyl are.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Exactly man, Bill Gates, George Sours. Okay, listen, you think
I'm going to I'm a Democrat or a Democratic Party,
I'm not or Obama.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
Bernie, how about Bernie?

Speaker 4 (20:05):
How about Bernie? Okay?

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Are you gonna defend Bernie?

Speaker 4 (20:09):
And Bernie is saying the right things, and he's closer
to to anything that we could hope for. And he's
rallying the left, and he's rallying these young people, and
and uh, and to listen, I'll tell you somethings. Toward
the end, I supported Trump at the very end. I
had to support Trump because I'm not let Hillary get
in there. Okay, But the thing is back to the
point about the one percent paying their fair share of

(20:29):
taxes and you and not paying no taxes. See, they
know that all that money goes into the government is
all gonna get stolen because they're not stupid, right, So
if but they but they have enough power that they
can put a stop to that and say, hey, man,
now we're gonna cut down on all this step because
but also too, a lot of that money get stolen
by the government goes right back into their pockets anyway,

(20:50):
So they're not gonna go through that charade if it's
their money that's getting stolen, you follow.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
So, so who's gonna who's gonna make that happen?

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Well, that would have to be Yeah, we would have
to grow some balls, you know, and say listen, we're
tired of our money being stolen. You guys have to
pay your fair share for a while. And by the way, too,
if you and I had to pay no taxes, that
would be the greatest economic stimulus in the history of
this country.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
Well on that we agree, But I would say there
do need to be taxes. I mean, you know, if
there's going to be taxes, yeah, it needs to be.
They need to be as low as possible. And the
fair tax is something that that I endorse, which is
taxable taxing uh on purchases. Uh there you know with
the same uh at the same rate that that my

(21:38):
if if I'm a rich guy and I buy a yacht,
I'm going to pay a lot more money same percentage
than I am a poor guy buying a Hyundai, so
that that all equals out. But uh, that's one one
thing that that that I support.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
And they see, yeah, that that wouldn't work. That doesn't work,
And I'll tell you why. Because they can't spend. They're
hoarding their money as it is, they're not spending their money.
That money is not being recirculated. It's being hoarded like
like hoarders. Like you see those big fat people you
know who dying in their apartments when they're with their
hundred cats. It's the same disease. These morbidly obscene rich

(22:15):
are hoarding the money. And another thing too, They don't
even earn that money. They inherited that money, and it's
sincessrally kept in the same families over and over, and
that's how they control all the power. You know, go,
I'll let you have the last word. They may have
to take a commercial break.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Sure well.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
I think what you're describing again is crony capitalism. I
think if I am a if I am a businessman,
and I work hard every day for twenty years, and
I find that I have earned and I have a
net worth of five million dollars, and I decide that,
you know, hey, I still want to be part of
the industry, and I want to start our own business,
and I want to pump money into it, and I

(22:55):
want to make I want to My goal is to
make ten million dollars, and I'm going to employ people
to help me get there, and I'm going to help
their lives be better off as well, because I'm presenting
job opportunities and they're better off and I'm better off,
and the economy is better off. I think that is
the kind of capitalism I'm talking about, and I don't

(23:16):
have a problem with anything I just laid out.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I mean neither, no, And like I said, on your level,
in my level, and sure, you know, even if we
had five hundred million, and we're talking about, you know,
reasonable amounts of money, we're not talking about this insane
amount of money that's being hoarded, of course, but as
long as you're working, you know, as long as you're
not because listen, we can say it would benefit the
you and me if we could own slaves to do
our work for us, but it's morally abhorrent you want

(23:40):
to do that, just like it's kind of morally important
to go and hire people to work for you. If
you're owning a business and you're running that business, Okay,
I've got all the respect in the world for you.
And I'm not saying you have to make the same
as the janitor and make the same as of it.
Of course, not that's ridiculous. You're the manager, you make
more money. We're paid by our abilities, and that's normal, okay.
But to say that I'm gonna inherit, like let's say

(24:04):
the Walton family, I'm gonna inherit all this money, right,
and I'm never gonna work a day in my life.
I'm never going to create a single job in my life.
As a matter of fact, I'm gonna go out and
kill somebody drunk driving. And then we find out that
these six members, these six inheritance in the errors of
the Sam Walton fortune, now possess an equal amount of

(24:24):
assets equal to the lowest forty percent of this country.
That's obscene that six people would own the same amount
as one hundred and seventy five million. That's just it's
obscene and it's criminy.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
I get where you're coming from with that. I understand that.
I just think we need to be careful that we
don't implement a system that will ultimately lead to the
same or worse outcome, and socialism always does.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
But but you would also agree we got to take
this commercial break because great, because because the show is
a capitalist show. Okay, we earn money on this show. Okay,
I know you're right, I apologize, apologize, but I'm enjoying
our conversation. I'm really enjoying this. Okay, you're you're, you're
you're a cool guy. I like it, Okay, and I
wish I had a.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Six pack, Okay, I do actually.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Oh man, God bless you because then it's one hundred
and twelve degrees here today, man, h And I know
I've been working out all day long too, You know,
I really I love a beer right now. But anyway,
nobody wants to hear my problems. Well with Joe six Pack.
The book is called Socialism Sucks Your Money from your pocket.

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with Joe Sixpack, who's one of the co authors of
this book called Socialism Sucks Your Money from Your Pocket. Now,
the book is not yet out on Amazon, and we're
recording this on June twentieth. The book's not yet out,
but it will be in a couple of months. But Joe,
when I how can we search for this book? Is
when you search Socialism Sucks on Amazon, ten thousand t

(30:40):
shirts come up and everything comes up, you know, right right, Well,
what's the other author's name? I know you don't want
to use your name, but can we talk about the
other author's name?

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Yeah, my name is Todd and Todd Bowman and his
name is Kevin Kenny.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Tod Todd Bawman and Kevin Kenny.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Right, but we're not You're not going to find it.
It's going to be uh and I don't and I
don't know if.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
We're going to have that trouble when the book is released.
I hope not. But yeah, it should be searchable very easily.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, especially if you look for out from your Money
from your pocket. And Joe, you can find him on Facebook,
Real Joe six Peck on Facebook and real Joe six
Pack at real Joe six Peck on Twitter. You mentioned
that a lot of the Democrats out there are socialists.
Can can you give me an example besides Bernie's not

(31:38):
even a Democrat, but of a Democrat who's advocating for
like the national designs and the oil industry or something
like that.

Speaker 6 (31:45):
Bernie Berniey caucuses with the Democrats. N is a he's
very left.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Wing and so. But but as far as I mean, look,
you can go to the in two thousand.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
And nine, the there were seventy and I don't know
what the number is now, actually twenty ten. There were
seventy members of Congress who were registered members of the
Democratic Socialists of America Caucus, and they were all Democrats,
and Bernie was among them. And interestingly, seventy more than

(32:23):
seventy percent of the Congressional Black Caucus belonged to the
Democrat Socialist of America Caucus, as did the only two
Muslim members of Congress, Keith Ellison and Andre Carson. So
that right there tells me that the Democrats are in
fact moving towards socialism, which is ultimately government control of

(32:48):
the people.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
It's the same.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
The Democrats are the ones that want gun control. The
Democrats are the ones and there's only one reason for
gun control, and that's power.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
That's that's to weaken the people and have.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
More power over them. It's the Democrats who endorse abortion.
It's the Democrats who want unfettered immigration so that they
can us power from the people because they can't get
votes from the people that are here, they need to
get votes from outside. So and frankly, they just the

(33:25):
Democrats of the Party of Taxation. And that's not to
say that there are not Republicans of that of that
bent or mindset, because there certainly are. It's more the
establishment establishment ilk but the Democrats by far lean more
towards socialism.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Well, we both hate Democrats. I would agree with that
one hundred percent. Okay, use but a democratic party, yeah,
they might get, but don't stick them with us. Man.
The Democrats are a socialists, the socialists, man, the workers.
Why would you pin us with those greedy, uh corrupt
criminals who robbed you know, we tried to run a

(34:08):
candidate on their filthy party and they robbed our votes. Man,
I live here in Nevada. You know what. You know
what they did was here in Nevada with you.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah, that that is a problem.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
But as I said, I mean, you have Democrats in
Congress registered with the Democrats Socialists of America.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Caucus yeah, but I don't even know what that is.
And no real socialists is over there. Listen, there's no
democrat okay who's advocating for nationalizing the oil industry. Okay,
and which would be many countries out there. Okay.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Health Care, they nationalized health care.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Again, that's not socialism, okay. And it's not nationalized either, Okay,
it's still it's still that's a that's written by the
insurance companies, and that's paying money to insurance capitalist insurance companies, okay,
not to the workers. There's no workers involved in that whatsoever.
That's a that's a that's a criminal, uh crime.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
Okay, with a capitalists, with collusion between the that was
collusion between the Democrats and business.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Right, well democrats maybe, I don't know what democrats well, whoever.
But it was written by the insurance companies. And there
should be no insurance companies whatsoever involved in my health care, Okay.
If I'm gonna do, if we had real socialized medicine,
I would pay in every month to a hospital program,
to a medical program. I would pay in and I

(35:22):
would get back what you call a pill or a surgery. Okay,
I wouldn't I wouldn't pay in and get a policy,
an insurance policy or a plan.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
But who would you pay it to.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Well, you know, in in Israel they have a socialized
well I guess you called socializement. I don't know what you'd
call it, but they have a will. They take a
little I think they take like thirty dollars out of
your check every week, and it goes into a system.
The government runs the system, and you get it goes
towards building hospitals and paying doctors and buying pills and
buying scalpels and needles and stuff. You know what I mean.

(35:54):
We're here, you're pay in and it goes to an
insurance company. Okay, so that people can buy stock bucking
that insurance company. Have afer one case, stock in that
insurance could be all that money's been wasted by leeches
who don't work. You know.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
But if you pay into the government, you're going to
get the same thing. You're going to get the same problem.
Because you know, what we sometimes forget is that the
government is made up of people that are in it
for themselves first and foremost, just as the insurance company.
The leaders of the insurance companies are they're all in
it for themselves first and foremost. So what we need

(36:29):
to have is sensible government that wants to make government
smaller and put in sensible regulations.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
And for example, what you're talking about with medicine, you know, I.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
Think the answer is it shouldn't be your insurance policy,
shouldn't be in tied to your employer.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
I should be able to go down.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
To the doctor's office, have him treat me, and have
me have me cut him a check.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
For the services.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
And then the only thing that I would need is
catastrophic coverage, some sort of like like life insurance. But
for uh, you know hell where you know there's no use,
something happens to you and there's no way you can
ever get out of get out of uh, get out
of it, you.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
Know that kind of policy.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
But but I and and and those policies should be
available across state lines.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
But but what.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
Happens is you're talking about insurance companies. They got to
get and get their cut. Government with Obamacare had to
get in and get their cut. I get all that.
Big Pharma has to get in and get all their cut.
And and the people are the ones who suffer.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
I get all that too.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
And every one of them. Every one of them are capitalists.
By the way, the insurance company, Obama, and the and
the farmer, they're all capitalists. It's not a social as
a socialist if it was mentored by a communist Soviet agent. Really,
do you know what Obama went to work when he
came out of college.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (37:49):
My guess is when he got out of a company
called Corporate Business something.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
I believe he went over to Afghanistan and was a
CIA asset.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
Absolutely, the Soviet understand war because he spoke Arabic and
he was mentored by a Soviet agent. Obama money is
on him being a Soviet is an instelligence.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Okay, Yeah, Obama was CIA, there's no doubt about that. Okay,
I agree with you one hundred percent. He went to
work for Business International CIA front. That's well known.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
But now also too, But now Obama's.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
When his transcripts were right, right?

Speaker 4 (38:21):
His paperwork's no good for a reason, yeah, right there, right.
But the thing is, though, man is uh Obama you
say he's a socialist, but why was he then put
into office by Goldman, Sachs and all these Wall Street
put him in And why would all these capitalists fund
him if he was going to put them out of business.

Speaker 6 (38:44):
Well, and I keep telling you, crony capitalists and socialists
are two sides of the same coin. The Goldman Sacks
and the and the banks and all of that. They're
they're capitalists and name only their sinos and and and
they were teamed up with the government, and they're all

(39:05):
doing exactly actually ironically, they're doing what you are advocating,
which is taxing the wealthiest one percent and and and
what would happen there is that would become incestuous, just
like it is now because you're going to have you
have the crony capitalists of Goldman, Sachs, Big Pharma, all
of that. And what makes them crony is they're in

(39:28):
bed with the socialist governments and and the socialist politicians.
That's what makes them crony. Those two things are on
the same point in my view.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
But again, but socialism would be that we would end
all those businesses. There would be no there would be
no stockholders, there would be no capitalists, so they would
be put out of business under socialism, you know, any
kind of socialism, you know, not real socialism, you know,
no I hear you.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
But again, who's going to officiate the game?

Speaker 6 (39:58):
No?

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I know, But the things we were talking to about.
You know that Obama is not a socialist. Obviously, he's
a capitalist, and he's a CIA agent, which isn't socialist. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Uh, well he's the CIA is a Soviet agent. Okay,
but in wait, but they believed in socialist policies.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
But wait, but he's overthrowing socialist governments. He's overthrowing socialist governments.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
It was the.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
CIA under Obama and well every why every president, it's
was the CIA that was the one that was overthrowing. Uh.
Java has done in Venezuela. They destroying the power grid
and stuff like that that wasn't happening by accident.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Yea, yeah, I I don't know where that's coming from.
And I'm sure there's a lot of dynamics at work
that we don't.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Know about with respect to that.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
But every every policy, I mean, all you got to
do is look at look at his policies. That his
domestic policies were all socialist in nature. Our debt exploded,
our food stamps exploded, unemployment exploded, Obamacare is which is
an unmitigated disaster.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Okay, but the food stamp program was under capitalism. Correct. Now, well,
how would you deal with the food stamp problem? Hungry people?
How would you deal with them under your idealist capitalism.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
Well, what happens with the problem with that is that
people who have their own money are more charitable with
it than the government who takes that money. So the
answer to that question is much less taxation, so that
I have more money with which to be charitable than

(41:43):
a government who steals my money and squanders it, wastes
it and puts US twenty one trillion dollars in debt.
So that's the answer is less taxation, and you would
be charitable with you and reduced government, you would.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Be more charitable than you would you would take you
would put the bill for these hungry kids.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
Well, what I'm saying is that when you put more
money into the pockets of entrepreneurs and working people, they're
going to be more responsible with it. They're going to
spend it more responsible, they're going to invest it more responsibly.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
You'll have the poor will always be.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
Among us, As the Son of God himself said, you're
going to have You're going.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
To have poor among among us. But what you're going
to have.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
When you have a government that's taking your money in
the name of helping, in the name of charity, but
is really stealing it, you have less and the people
who they're supposed to.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Help will have less.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
That's why the governments must be made smaller and that
the money must stay in our pockets. Because if I
have if I have one thousand dollars of discretionary income
over a month, and I'm going to and I'm going
to give dog gone, and I'm going to give twenty

(43:00):
percent of it to the homeless or charities or whatever,
that's that's two hundred dollars. But if the government comes
in and after a month, I only have five hundred
dollars of discretionary income, the money that I'm going to
give charitably just went down by fifty percent, and the
government took the other fifty percent and is wasting it.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Do you believe in supply side economics like Reagan? What
you do like d Reagan? I'm sure right, Well.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
You'd be surprised a lot of the things about him
that I'm critical of, But yes, I think he was
one of the better presidents. And so you look at
all of the presidents you and you really, and you
know a lot about all of them. You just shake
your head and gotten through.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
How did we get through?

Speaker 4 (43:46):
So like trickle down trickle down economics, you would agree
with the lowering the tax for the for the rich
and the wealthy and the corporations, and that would trickle
down to you and me.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
I think I'm principal, yes, But again, head, the crony
capitalism is the part of no.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
No, no, forget the crony capitalis for a second, because
I'm asking a question now. So then okay, you agree
with that the lower the tax for the rich, and
it's going to trickle down to you and me. But
at the same time, you say you actually give charity
to the poor.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
Well, do I give charity to the poor? I mean,
that's that's subjective. I mean yeah, I mean do I
give to my church?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Do I give to the homeless?

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Yeah? I mean I'm assuming it goes somebody goes there.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
But well, why would you do that?

Speaker 5 (44:34):
You know, why would I do what?

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Why would you give money to the poor? Why wouldn't
you donate your charity to the rich and then it
would trickle down?

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Mmm. Uh, that's what the government's doing with my money.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
But no. But wait a minute, man, No, you said
that you believed that by lowering the taxes of the rich,
that that's going to stimlight the economy because it's going
to trickle down to you and me, we're going to
benefit from that. Why then, would you give money to
the poor, You should give it to the rich. You
do your check? No, no, no, yes, yes, yes, because

(45:10):
you know you know why, because it sounds crazy when
you say it that way, right, it sounds crazy to say, right,
so is so is lower in the taxes to the rich,
thinking that's.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Going to help the poor, taxes for everybody, lower taxes
for everybody. Now you want to put you want to
put regulations in to prevent uh you know, I just
I got a problem with telling people that there's a
limit on what you can earn.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
There's there's wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Of course, to believe in.

Speaker 6 (45:40):
The invisible hand, I believe in that. You know what,
what is it, the the inherent virtue? I forget the quote,
the Churchill quote, but uh uh, you know, the worst
of socialism or the best of socialism, is worse than
the worst of capitalism. It's it's a song of something
along those lines. But uh yeah, I mean, I don't

(46:05):
know where I was, but I lost my track train
of thought.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Okay, well we were talking about you know, let's move
on to the next time. Well, what else can we
find in your book? What'll stick? Can I?

Speaker 10 (46:15):
Can?

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I pick apart there and attack you, my my cynical, old,
grumpy socialist self. And by the way, let me ask
a question, how old are I'm fifty? Okay, I'm fifty five.
So now you remember when you were a kid, right,
the doctor would come to our house. The doctor would
come and make a house call when I was a
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(46:36):
remember that distinct when we lived in the Bronx and
the doctor would come to our house with a little
black bag.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
You were like that.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, so the whole medical industry
would just up and then we have to give all
this to an insurance company. My dad went and there
he wrote out of check to the doctor, you know,
and sometimes the doctor let you go for right, Yes,
I agree, yeah, well we agree on a lot of stuff.
You know, I'm going to write a book called Capitalism Sucks.
I'm gonna open up shop. I would open up shop

(47:02):
right next to audio, I put you out of business.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
Let me just change the crony capitalism sucks better.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
That's you. You're right, you're an idealist. You have an
idealist view of capitalism. That's some perfect perfection capitalism out
there that doesn't exist in real life. The capitalism we
have free market, Okay, I'm I angry in a free
market we do. We don't have a free market right now,
do we?

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Uh we?

Speaker 6 (47:25):
Well, uh not with this government in charge.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
That's why. That's that's why, ed, that's why I really
like what Trump was doing.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
I got I got some problems with him. I did
not agree with the decision to in you know, bomb Syria,
and I was totally against Omnibus bill.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
And there's other things here and there.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
But this is that's why I like him. We don't
hear it enough. But this, this whole spy scandal that's
that's engulfing the d o JA and FBI is is huge.
We need somebody to go in there. And and I
know it's cliche now, but drain the swamp. The power
has been consolidated in Washington, d C. To such a

(48:06):
degree that uh that that's it's it's almost insurmountable. And
that's why I think what I see in in Trump
is an honest, uh effort on his part to really
do something about that. And he's not tied down with
the constraints of donors and lobbyists, and and I think

(48:29):
we're beginning to see some of the some of the
fruits of that. Even if even if uh uh, you know.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
If you don't like the guy, you've got to be
able to see that.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
I don't see that, But I know I'm going to
give you a last word. I'm going to give you
the last word on that. Let's we gotta play commercial.
But I don't see that way. Fred. I love you though,
but okay, we'll be right back after this. Where with
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welcome back to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, private
investigator at Opperman We're here with Joe Sixpack. His real
name is Todd Bowman. I think that's a top secret.
We're just uncovered Todd Bowman and his buddy's Kevin Kenny.
They cote a book called Socialism Sucks Your Money from
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on Twitter. Joe, we're out of time, man, unless you
want to give me another half hour. You want to
go for another half hour?

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
You sure? I don't want to put pressure on you.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
We can do that.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Okay. Then let's see, Uh, what was I gonna ask you? Okay?
Let me let me hit you with this, okay, and
see if we can agree on this. Now you have
the oil, right oil, the black crew that bubbles bubbles
up in the ground. Right, remember a Jed clamp It
shot his gun into the ground, came bubbling up right right.

Speaker 6 (54:42):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Right, I love that ship. Now, now at that stuff.
It's under your feet, it's under my feet. It's a
national it's equal to you and me. We're equal on it. Right,
we're both walking over this stuff. It's a natural resource,
right that belongs to our country.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
Now.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
But instead certain guys, you know, they had some money,
they owned some slaves. They all to get over their
new world and get to these spots and get claims
on them and start digging up the ground. And they
got to it first, okay, and now they control it
and they keep that five hundred billion dollars profit a year.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
Man, Now you do you would you have a problem
with us nationalizing the oil industry and that all the
people of this country could share equally in that wealth,
and that we would all get a huge reduction in.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
The price of gasoline. That would be a huge economic stimuless.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Again, sounds good in theory. That wouldn't happen.

Speaker 6 (55:38):
What you're what you're advocating is putting the oil industry
into the hands of government, which is thoroughly corrupt. And
so what they would do, what government always does then
is they always take their cut, and sometimes their cut
is the whole thing, and so.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
The prices wouldn't down.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
The government would raise, would raise the prices, and it
would it wouldn't treat everyone fairly.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
That's not what government does. That's the problem.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
Now, if if if what you're saying, if you see
if a if a oil company or an oil execu
is making uh, if it becomes a monopoly, so to speak,
that's where I think the government can do good. The
government can break up monopolies. If you remember the Bells

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in the eighties with the AT and T, when they
broke up that.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
That was a good thing.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
When when you see big companies and mergers, you know
the AT and T and Direct TV and all of these,
you know, internet companies are merging and airlines are merging,
I think that's a terrible thing. I think that that
that reduces and eliminates competition.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
It raises the prices.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
And what you're saying is those those fat cats get fatter.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
I agree with that, but what what What.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
The answer is is not that the government controls the industry,
but the government does the right thing with respect to
regulating it in terms of increased competition. When when there's monopolies,
the government should not approve mergers because that when mergers
are approved, the company CEO's benefit and the government benefits.

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So there needs to be breakups of these monopolies as
opposed to signing.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Off on these mergers.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Okay, but.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
You're talking about it.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
But if you recall, my original question was about nationalizing
the oil industry, and many countries do this. Belgium does this.
And I understand, Listen, you can't say nothing works because
the government's all criminals, because a lot of countries got
criminal governments. But Venezuela did it. The gasoline prices went
down to ten cents a gallon.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Middle East countries, Kuwait, Libya all did this and shared
that amongst their people and some of these countries. Quite,
you drive up, the gasoline is free. You your take
for free. Okay, So it can work. It does work.
It's a national resource. It's not like something where I'm
building something or you're building something. This comes out on

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the under my feet. They're drilling us right under my feet,
and they're taking it and selling it back to me.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
Well, if if they own the land, and if they
they go through all of the uh jump through all
the hoops, and go through all the hard work of
getting the equipment and employing the people.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
I mean, if anybody that has to make a payroll
knows that work is not easy. And so if if
you're if if you own that that that property. But
let's look at it this way.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
If if if I own this property and I take
a risk, and I drill for oil, and I buy
all the equipment, and I go into debt on on
a bet that it's gonna that it's gonna pay off,
and I hire employees and I pay employees, and I
fight through and I make payroll and then all of
a sudden, you know, I'm starting to I'm starting to

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get over the top here, I'm starting.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
To make money. I'm starting to starting to really succeed here.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
Why why should I give that over to somebody else?

Speaker 5 (59:14):
Why? Why why should I?

Speaker 6 (59:15):
And so that the people of the country who had
no stake in it, we had no involvement in it?

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Why should they.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Be because it belongs to you and it belongs to us. Well,
why you know, Jane, Joe, how come you don't care
about your own interests? Man? That only belongs to you
just as much as it belongs to me. It belongs
it's under our feet, man, and it belongs to you,
and you need to stand up for your own rights.
And we're not on an even playing field where you
and I can go out and buy some lnt. They

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they got all that land four hundred years ago, man,
because they came here, they owned slaves, They had money
from the old world, from the old country that they inherited,
and they had to jump on us. Man. But the
time is over. We can't allow them to get morbidly
obese and and bhoard all the money because the rest
of us are suffering. You are suffering, Joe, your kids

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are suffering, Your family's suffering. We got to stand up
to these guys man and take back what's ours.

Speaker 6 (01:00:13):
I I I'm not I'm not into that. Mean, what
what you're talking about is, uh is it sounds like
almost anarchy?

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
No, you know, I mean that, is that what you're advocating.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
I was once an anarchist. If I was an anarchist today,
i'd tell you I was. I'm not an anarchist. I'm
I'm a socialist. I'm I'm you know, Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
Well, uh, I forget where we were here, but but
as far as as far as as that goes, I mean, yeah,
I mean, I I hear it where you're talking about
these people have this this land for years and they
and they benefit from it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
But but everything that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
You're you're saying points to the government is so much
more corrupt than the fat.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Catch talk about. And they have more power.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
They have more power because they can legislate, they can
they they just do.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
They have more power. And they're very wealthy too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Oh Okay, I understand. Yeah, you have this the spear
of the government, and I can because yeah, they're crooks. Okay,
I understand the government we have right now. These capitalists
in office right now are filthy crooks, there's no doubt
about that. But how about we we set up like
when would we set up institutions? You know, we set
up like a non profit institution that would run the organization.

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They would be autonomous and they would run it for
it for the people. That that's possible, like United Way
or something like that. These things they exist, right, These
big companies exist. How you know this would them? Well,
we don't have to worry about funding because they already exist. Okay,
we just we just have to nationalize them, take them over.
We have to expropriate them. No, no, but right, but

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then the government could could appoint an authority like they're
like the Port Authority in New York City. They run
the penn station and all that stuff like that. In
Stanton Island Ferry. They're not they're not a for profit operation.
They're not siphoning money out there. They're running the stuff,
the post office, these things run. How about the military.
The military is run by the government. It runs great.

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Are you kidding me? With the best military and our
unfreaking planet, we have air superiority with the whole entire world,
but nobody can touch us. So these things can can
work under government. Not everything gets stolen, of course, a
lot gets stolen, But how much better off would he
be if only half was getting stolen? Right now, all
of it's getting stolen, you know what I mean? Give
us a little bit, man, give us some crumbs.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
Joe, Yeah, I just I just think we need to
reduce the size of government. So that okay, Well, but
if you nationalize these these these things, you're actually uh
increasing it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
We can put them under a trust or an authority
or like we said, port authority one of those things.
What else can we find in your book? What else
do you want to tackle it that's in your book? Diad,
I can heckley about here mercifully.

Speaker 6 (01:03:05):
What Elsey, Well, we talked about it a little bit
before the before the last break.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
You know this, this whole.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Hillary Clinton investigation before in the twenty sixteen election, and
Bernie supporters should be really act off about what happened.
But the whole Hillary investigation before the election, followed by
the attempt by the FBI and DJ of the Obama
administration to undermine Trump. I think this is the biggest

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political scandal in the history of this country that no
one's talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Did you consider this.

Speaker 6 (01:03:48):
Ed?

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
If you read the if you read the.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
IG report that came out last week, Huma Abadeen, who
was Hillary.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
Clinton's closest advisor.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
Was mentioned one hundred and eighty three times in that report.
But what's not mentioned in that report is that she's
a Muslim Brotherhood spy. Now, how is it, How is
it that this report could comb through all of this
stuff and identify her as having potentially mishandled classified information.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
How she got a security clearance in the first place.
I have no idea. But she mishandled.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
Classified information and she's a spy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
But that's not talked about. So what happens? Have you
looked at go ahead?

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Have you looked into the history of the Muslim Brotherhood?
They were created by Yeah, sex created Muslim Brotherhood, totally
infiltrated by the CIA. Turkey has a government that's a
Muslim brotherhood. The United States controls. Aren't intelligence agencies control
Muslim Brotherhood. They're one of our guys.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
Well, they were, and I think that and today if
you look at politicians day for some reason defend the brotherhood.
But the Brotherhood was started after the fall of the
Ottoman Empire in World War One, and it was the people,
the Muslims that were forced out of Saudi Arabia ended
up in Egypt, and that's where they founded the Brotherhood

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and they had a goal that you know, after one
hundred years that did re implement the caliphate. Well we're
about ten years away from that. And you're right about Turkey.
I think Turkey is on the brink of re implementing,
resurrecting the Ottoman Empire. And why the heck they're in
NATO or we're in NATO. I have no idea why

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because they should be considered an enemy of this country.
But you know, all that, all that to say, my
main point was.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
This whole investigation.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Look at look at look at how many people have
left the FBI or been fired from the FBI in
the last several months. We're witnessing, As I said, I
believe it's the biggest political scandal in the history of
this country, right because what we was we had an
FBI dj attempt to undermine the President of the United

(01:06:14):
States and then throw him out of office. And I
think regardless of where you come down on Trump, I
think that is a huge, huge scandal.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
And you think that's because of those text messages where
they say that we're going to get Trump and we
don't want to do liked it and we don't like
Trump and all kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
I think those are I think those are signs.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
But but yes, this was all about exonerating Hillary and
then undermining Trump. And I think that if you read
the IG report, you can't come to any other conclusion
on the Hillary investigation. They threw that investigation, there is no.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Doubt about it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
So the same people that were throwing the Hillary investigation
for obvious reasons. I mean, the guy and the text messages,
he was the lead investigator in that. So don't cut
that one. Don't sell that one short. He was the
lead investigator in the Hillary matter investigation.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
But don't you think that that every single FBI agent
that's investing in any case that says horrible things about
the people are investigating, they hate them. No, I don't
think So, Okay, you don't know anything about me, Okay,
but I was involved. I'm from New York City. I
was a private investigator back in New York City. I
was on the Pizza connection case. And the Commission case,

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and Rudy Giuliani was the prosecutor on those cases. Okay,
and then later on when Rudy was running for Mayry,
I was friends with Rudy. I like Rudy. We had
no problems. We've got only very good So I'm very
familiar with that, all that kind of stuff, that whole
kind of a justice department and stuff. And also too,
I was the private investigator that did the phones in
Wienergate when Wiener Gate first came out, and that woman

(01:07:50):
Maria here in Las Vegas, the blackjack dealer was being
sexually was doing texting back and forth with Wiener. I
did those phones. I'm the one to recover those text messages.
So familiar with all this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
What are you talking about the one that Breitbart exposed?

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
I don't I don't remember Breitbart being involved in that,
but I re membory is not that good right now.
I don't think the woman Maria here in Vegas, which
one did Breitbart expose?

Speaker 6 (01:08:15):
He was the one who uh first posted the photo
of Wiener that he.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Oh no, that was something different. This is one of
the text messages going back with the black blackjack dealer.
Hey by the way, here's something a lot of people
don't know they might find interesting. The same agent Gina Rodriguez,
who was the agent who took on who was buying
that whole Wienergate thing, and Sydney Leatherns, she was agent.
She's the same She was the original agent for Stormy Daniels.

(01:08:45):
Who was Gina rod Gina Rodriguez, who's my client. Uh.
She was the agent who was for the woman Maria
here in Vegas who was selling her text messages and
stuff like that about the Wiener Gate. She was also
the agent working with Keith Davidson when they came up
with the whole deal with them with the Stormy Daniels.

(01:09:08):
The first payoff one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. So
the same people who took down Wier are the same
people who took down Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
Well, who took down Trump? You're talking about the Okay,
So what does that? What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Well, I'm just saying a lot of people try and
say that this is politically motivated, Stormy Daniels is part
of this deep state plan to take down Trump and
all that stuff like that. And I believe she's successfully
taken down Trump because now we have Michael Cohen is
about to testify against Trump. He's about to make a
deal right now. We have the president's attorney, his office

(01:09:47):
is being raided and stuff like that. We have Roger
Stone just came in and well, what about how you
say there's no Russian clusion. You think there's no Russian colusion.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
There's more collusion between the Hillary campaign and Russia through
Christopher Steele. Then there was ever anything, uh with with Trump.
I don't see it. I mean, if you're if you're
going to say that there was collusion between the Trump
campaign and Russia, you cannot discount the fact that, uh,

(01:10:17):
the DNC and Hillary paid for the fusion GPS Steele
dossier that involved Steele communicating with Russians and putting unverified
information in that dossier and then giving it back to
the FBI, who then who then lied to a Phisi court.
So that's where the collusion is. It's the deep state,

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the FBI, the d J Christopher Steele, British intelligence and
who knows what Russians.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
That's where the collusion is.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Okay, what part of the Steele dossier is on verified?

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
Well, let's talk about the hookers in the hotel.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Okay, there's four witnesses, they don't know each other, and
two of them are hotel workers. What's unverified about that?
You know what I'm saying, Man.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Nobody's where is this? How come this hasn't come out?
How come this hasn't been presented?

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
It's out? Oh no, it's out. There was a there
was a great article on this. I for get the
woman's name right now, I can get it back to you.
But this this is all out? And where did the
you're saying the Christopher Steele lined that you're saying the
Christopher Steel lined to get the fires award.

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
Yes, no, no, not Christopher Steele for the fires warrant.
They did not notify the court that this was all
funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Okay, well it was originally it was originally.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
No, no, not necessarily, not necessarily what do you call it?
It was originally funded by the never trumpers? Correct? What
was the Steele DOSSI? The first people to hire Steele.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
With the.

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
Washington Free Beacon Right hired Fusion GPS to do oppo research.
But once Trump secured the nomination, and that did not
involve Christopher Steele. It did not involve any dossier. And
once once the Trump.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Had the nomination, they gave it up.

Speaker 6 (01:12:16):
And then the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC hired
Fusion GPS separately and then did an entirely different operation.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Okay. And then Steele noticed some crimes going on with
the car to page visiting with these rossneft to oligarchs
and stuff like that, and he reported that to the FBI,
which is the correct thing to do.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
No, there wasn't what was going on. He said, they
had at spize into this thing. I mean they had
this helper, this helper.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Guy, right, No, that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Pepe's trying to entrap these guys.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
Okay, wait, wait, help, it's a different story. Let's stick
with Steele for a second, because there's nothing there's nothing
unethical about that. Okay. I've been involved in investigations where
a client hires me, and by the way, every single
time the client hires me, they hate the person that
I'm investigating. So if Hillary Clinton hired me and she
hates Donald Trump, there's nothing unusual about that. That's every

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single time. So just because your client is running against
or hates the person you're investigating doesn't mean anything. That's
that's how just life is. And there's been many, many
times where during the course of my investigation, I run
across criminal activity and I'll call the cops and I'll
try and sell them that information. I'll sell them, I'll

(01:13:31):
offer to sell them my report. There's nothing unusual or
ethical about that either, in fact that it's you're supposed
to do that. There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
If you if you then if you then present it
to the FBI, who creates a FISA application, right, and
does not divulge the source of that uh research, the
source of that information, it's it's it's not acting honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Believe that the FBI did say that it was an
opposition candidate, Okay, which would have been obvious at the time.
But even still, if I don't want to tell the
FBI who my client is, I don't tell them who
my client is.

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
You don't have to, Well, you don't have to tell
me your clients, but you could say this was funded by.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
A client of you could the opposition party.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
You don't have to from what that was not done,
But you don't have to. That's a that's a total Yeah,
And I know where you're going, man, because you hear
rush Limbo and Hammony going over and over the stuff.
But in real life that's just not a big deal.
You know, you investigate a case your client always hates.
And by the way, the FBI is always talking crap
about the people that are investigating. That goes on, go lore.

(01:14:39):
They make all kinds of threats. Clients come into me
and they tell me I was just arrested by the
fa The're threatening and arrest my mother on trumped up charges.
What can we do about that? I'm worried about my mother.
This is what goes on. This is you think that
Trump should get it like a coast, He should coast,
his investigation should go. You get away with it. Of
course not. He's subject to the same He's not above

(01:14:59):
the all. We all have the same. I got to
deal with the FBI. They suck for everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
Well, you know, it's it should be interesting to you
that that Hillary Clinton completely undermined the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Now, of course she did. I'm not a fan of
Hillary Clinton. What makes it You're gonna put me in
bed with Hillary Clinton? You want to hear the story.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
You seem to like the Bernie Sanders Now she undermined
his campaign, completely prevented him from becoming a nominee for
the Democratic Party.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
No, I know, we just had a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
Is there any consequences for her.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Oh, because there's a very powerful woman, you know, if
she gets away with it. Listen and they're still doing stuff.
They just listen, Hillary and Biden. They just Saboitage another
one of our clients here in Nevada. I just had
I had people here, you know, who are involved in
the Credentials Committee and we're on the Platform Committe and
stuff like that. I've had these people on the show.
I don't by the way, you want to know something else,
I had the Trump campaign contact me for opposition research, okay,

(01:16:02):
to send them information about one of my guests. They
wanted contact information and one of my guests. I sent them.
I said, listen, here's a list of all my anti
Clinton Hillary shows about the Clinton foundation, all this stuff.
List and list of shows about Haiti, what they did
in Haiti, all the Clinton crimes, the Clinton crime family.
I located all of the Clinton mistresses, man, all of them,

(01:16:23):
all those women that were there at the debate that say,
I know all of them. I'm my friends with every
one of those women. I had them all on a
show when I turned over my shows. Okay to them,
and Judie Juliani knows me, he knows my name for sure.
Every speech after that, Trump's going down the list of
all my stuff. Okay, so you know you're not gonna

(01:16:43):
you're not gonna catch You're not gonna catch me. Man,
what do you call it? Uh? Defending Clinton's you know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
Come on, I'm saying you should be outraised.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
Of course I am Bernie. Oh no, of course, Well
not just for what you did to Bernie with these
to the people of Haiti that they robbed Haiti blind.
It's it's a. It's a it's a. They robbed money
from earthquake victims, people buried under rocks, and they stole
their money. Okay, you can't get more evil than that, man.
So yeah, so don't they. But I'm gonna call Trump

(01:17:20):
the same thing. Man. Trump is involved in all kinds
of crimes as well, Trump University, all the sleazy activities
with this porn stars and stuff. Uh, and and all
their collusion with the Russians. Man Roger Stone just came out, Oh,
gee whiz, I just met with a Russian. I forgot
to tell you about it. He wanted two million bucks
for dirt on Hillary and I forgot. Okay, did you

(01:17:42):
read that twenty eight page report on that Greenberg guy
that offered him the the two million No, it's great,
you're gonna love it. Okay, you can find it on
Stone's website with a Stone facts on Stone Cold Facts
something like that. And he yeah, Stone did a big
investigation and he spent a lot of mone and I
think it's twenty eight pages long, took up a lot

(01:18:02):
of dirt. He was talking to Russians too, because he
got information on this guy, and to anybody, you can
talk to anybody, correct. Yeah, But the thing is, once again,
you know, if you got a Russian criminal and Trump
is surrounded by these Russian criminals, man Felix say to
all these guys, you think Trump is squeaky clean on

(01:18:23):
all his h activity with these Russians?

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
Perfect? Nobody's perfect?

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Okay? So then but and then what about the the
the obstruction of justice firing and a comb and all
that kind of stuff. You find what all that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
He fired because his deputy attorney General recommended that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
He do it. But then he went on TV and
said I fired him because of the Russia. And then
he went and when he told the Russians, he met
with Russians in his office the next day and gave
him secrets too. He gave him Israeli secrets. He meets
with the Russians, he said, Oh, I just fired that.
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Is not I got rid of him. Don't worry. You
don't think he's gonna hit the jackpot on all that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:04):
Every everything that came out in this i G report
justified the firing Comy.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
He was completely justified in firing James Comy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
Not if his motivation was firing him due to the
to the the the Russian investigation. That's that's that's an
obstruction of justice. And that was the charge against Nixon.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Uh yeah, I don't I don't see it. Sorry, I
don't see you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
No, I know, I know, I know you don't. I
know you don't. Because the thing is, man, I watch
a lot of prosecutions. Man, I watch a lot of
I see the way the Department of Justice works, the
f barn works. This guy's in the jackpot. He's going
down on all these charges. Man, they got the noose
around his neck. And you know, I'm sorry that. I
know you like the guy, but he doesn't have a
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take a commercial break. But I will give you another
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Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
Well, I guess we have.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
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I think that's very telling. It that says there's a
lot of smoke.

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Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Okay, welcome back to the Opperman Report. I'm your host,
private investigator Ed Opperman. We're here today with the Todd
Bauman who goes by the name Joe Sixpack. His writing
partner is Kevin Kenny. The book is called Socialism Sucks
Your Money from Your Pocket. You can find him at Facebook,
at real Joe six Pack and Realjoe sixpack dot com. Now,
Joe in the book, are you gonna have any of
this stuff about the Mueller investigation?

Speaker 6 (01:26:44):
Uh? No, the book was the book was completed before
that really kicked into high gear.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Joe. I want to thank you man for give me
the extra half hour, and thank you to me for
being a good sport and letting me heckle you here,
you know, good natured heckling. Okay, man, I really yeah.
And I gotta tell you to my audience buys books,
and they're gonna see your genuine guy too.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
That's it makes it. It's really good when you make
a connection with the audience like you did. So you're
gonna do good with this. But we are out of time,
my friend. What do you want to leave us with?

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
Uh? Socialism sucks?

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
I love you, man. Hey, Joe, the book's not coming
out for a couple of months. But if you want
to come back, man, when the book comes out, we'll
put you back on here right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Awesome, man, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Thank you, brother, good.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
Night, All right, back at you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
Okay. They had Joe Todd Bauman, Okay, listen, I like them. Okay.
The book is Socialism sucks. Okay, And I'm gonna promote
his book. And the guy's a cool guy, and I
think I think it's herds in the right place, man,
I really do. And I think it's a and he
knows the stuff too. He knows about me, and he
knows about the Obama being a CIA. You know, a
lot of guys will go on and on. So okay,

(01:27:51):
coming up after this, I interviewed a couple of homeless
guys who lived right next door to the pedal camp
with the rape trees and all that kind of stuf,
and I located them. People are laughing at me, by
the way, the other night when I was on Pierce
Redmond and I got all these emails telling me, Oh,
it says he's talking to the homeless people. Well it
says he knows everybody. Oh it's yeah, right, Well the

(01:28:14):
joke's on you, okay, because I got him on the show. Guys, Okay,
I located the homeless couple who lived and you listen
to that story. Man, these guys aren't making this up.
And they know the people who built the camp. They
know the guy it was a transvestite, They know another
guy who lived there. They were there before it was built,
they were there after it was built. They talked to
the cops. They talked to this guy Lewis and stuff. Okay,

(01:28:36):
this is first hand inforation. I never saw sorrows down there.
They never saw Hillary down here. Okay, all right, okay,
they never see any children there, you know, and very
genuine folks man. Okay, So that's coming up next after this.
So thank you so much, and thank you again, Todd Bauman,
Joe six pack, Real Joe six Pack at Facebook and

(01:28:57):
at Real Joe six Pack on Twitter. Thank you so much.
H good luck with the book, my friend. Okay, and
I'm gonna write a book called Capitalism Sucks and put
it right next to his book there. Let's see what
else go. You know what, it's a one hundred and
twelve degrees out. I'm taking taking, I'm just signing off.
Coming up next, we'll be our guest for there from
the Pedal Camp in Tucson with the rape treat