John Potash :Drugs as Weapons Against Us

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tough to book this guy.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
He goes on one show to the next day. He
just did. John, how much time do you just doing this?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
About an hour?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Oh, that's not so bad. Okay. We got John pottash
one of my favorite guests. He's been here a couple
of times. It's like family. He's written the book The
FBI War on Tupac, SHA Corps and Black Leaders US Intelligence,
his murderous targets targeting of TUPAC, MLK, Malcolm Panthers, Hendricks,
Marley Rappers, and lenked ethnic leftists. But his brand new

(03:22):
book that just came out is John Pottish Drugs as
Weapons against US, the CIA's murderous targeting of STS, students
for Democratic Society, Panthers, Hendrix, Lennon Kobain, TUPAC, and other lepsists. John,
are you there?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah? Thanks for having me when you get in ahead
and sorry to put you through all those long subtitles.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, I know, man, he got the longest. I think
you break the record. I've noticed a lot of guests.
I guess they try and put all those keywords in
their book title. I know, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So John, tell us about yourself. What have you been
up to, and let's get into the book.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, well, I've been doing your work as a counselor still.
I've been counseling people with mental health issues and addictions
for over twenty five years and still doing it. The
you know, books don't pay our rent, of course, but
people stay interested in that first book, and that's very nice.
People will keep buying it, you know, So it does,

(04:22):
you know, it does offer a little help here and there,
and the next book there. This next book was actually
the first book I had started on around nineteen ninety one.
I started researching drugs as weapons against us. The theme
of it, and the Tupac book was a bit of
a tangent from that, so I was glad to get
back to the original theme and incorporate, of course Tupac's

(04:45):
part of the next book, but with a little bit
of a different angle on it. Obviously. So I'm just
glad to finally get it out with this Trying Day publishing,
and they did really good work on it, and I'm
happy about it. So you know, I know, uh, actually
talking to Dave McGowan just before he went to the hospital,

(05:05):
sadly enough, and you know, his publisher out of England
just didn't seem to give him as good of a
deals as I got with Trying Day. So I was lucky.
But so you know, I'm glad to get this out
and now I'm just starting to get get it in
the word out there with people like yourself, like great
interviewers like yourself.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
And Okay, so Trying Day is Chris Milligan, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we've had Chris on the show. We've had a bunch
of Trying Day authors on as well.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm sorry with the phone ring That's okay. I believe
what I get there. I'll try to turn this off
somehow that I'm so bare with technology. I mean, now
I turn off the ringer on phones, but I'll try
to get this. I can't get out of take these others.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, that's fine, Yeah, all.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
The phones out of the room now, it's never interrupted,
said so yeah. So, so Chris is interesting because his
father was a part of the CIA. He said, right,
his father left the CIA, I think it was a
nineteen fifty nine or sixty or so, and he said
that around nineteen you know, sixty nine, his father told

(06:21):
him that, you know, my agency's drugging your whole generation
and kind of admitted to him a number of stuff
and he said some kind of you know, loyalty agreement
or just or a non disclosure agreement was was up
by around nineteen seventy and he could actually tell his
son some of the stuff that was going on that
you know, that he did in the agency. And so

(06:44):
that's why when I showed my original manuscript to Chris,
Chris was like, wow, my father told me about this,
but you're you know, you're one of the first ones
to put it all in there like in this fashion.
So he was happy about it.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Well, it's good that they're treating a good over there,
trying to because we actually got an email from Jessica
at Booth Media saying, hey, you should have this guy
John Pottish on your show. And I said, who, I said, who?
She emailed me. Today's trying to bucket that's funny.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I okay, my friend, So let's get the rundown on this.
I know a lot of people have been complimenting your
book on how well researched it is. Thanks. Cara is
a mutual friend of ours.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, and she.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Wrote a little blurb on the little What did she
say about it?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah? She would she say back here, she says, both
well researched and exhilarating. Read drugs Weapons against Us exposes
the dark history of the state's use of drugs is
both a tool of imperialism abroad and social control at home. Yeah.
She's chair of the sociology department at cal State University.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
To MGAs Hills, Yeah, very impressive. I gotta have her
on the show. Yeah, yeah, okay, So give us the
whole history, because you know, he knows about how, you know,
from the opium days and all that kind of stuff,
launched the pirates and everything. Pretty much. It seems like
our whole economy from the start has been drug driven.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, it's pretty incredible. How when I started researching this,
I found that the opium trafficking, the opium shipping families
who were joined with the British and East India company
became some of the wealthiest families in the world. And
you can see that by the fact of two of
the largest banks in the world are HSBC in Europe,

(08:31):
which stands for Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation, because that
was the main places they were shipping out of was
that Southwest China corner, which is right next to the
you know, right around the Golden Triangle area of China
where Vietnam is in off and instead of getting loads

(08:52):
of opium out of there, and they fought two opium
wars with China. When China tried to ban opium, they
fought wars to make them, uh, you know, forced them
to allow opium into their population to basically what you know,
Karl Marx said, opium obeit the masses to control and
exploit them and exploit their resources and their people. And

(09:12):
so but I argue and shoe evidence of that. They
were actually also bring the opium into English, poor English
communities when when there was labor riots in England to
try to quell the English communities, you know, poor English communities,
and doing the same of course in the United States,
and opium addiction rose in a huge way. When there

(09:33):
was serious activists unrest in the United States around you know,
the women's suffragist movement for example, and around the labor unrest,
the opiate use would rise. And because more opium kept
coming in to the United States, and uh and I
showed the same thing was happening with cocaine too. You know,
coke used to be legal, and you know it spread

(09:53):
through coca cold products. And so these families became incredibly wealthy,
and they started secret societies at value of league colleges,
such as Skull and Bones, the top opium trafficking family.
The Russells started Skull and Bones at Harvard. It was
the Porcelain Club that they used to joke with, the

(10:15):
Porker Pig Club, Princeton had it. Most of them had
these secret societies. And when these people graduated from these
secret societies, they would give them the equivalent of about
two hundred and twenty thousand dollars. So that's how they
start off their career with a gift of two hundred
and twenty thousand dollars. So of course they did real
well for themselves after that. And may be you know,

(10:38):
some of these people that benefited from this huge, uh
you know, wealth of opium, opium created wealth, where the Rockefellers,
the JP Morgan family, the joyous Pierpont Morgan, the Peerponts
were intermarried with the Russells, the carnegiese. You know, most
of the top wealthiest families in the world benefited from

(10:59):
this opium wealth. And I argue and show the evidence
that they continued in the opium trade and the drug
trade up until now.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, there would be no reason, no motivation for them to.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Stop, right, No, Yeah, of course they kept making such
huge money off it. And there's another aspect of how
they make so much money off is the liquid cash
they get from the laundering of the money just increases
stock value by huge amounts. So there's a lot of
different ways they make money off this.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
So then moving forward, what's the next stage of the
of the story?

Speaker 3 (11:39):
So the next stage, like that's all kind of in
the first chapter about how they kind of the eugenics
philosophy which is a big movement, and how they worked
with you know, they actually helped fund the rise of
the Nazis and then worked with Nazis scientists and Nazis
spies in Latin America and science.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're saying that the same drug deal as these smugglers
were also eugenicists.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yes, yes, they were the leading eugenesis They actually they
started the eugenics movement in a place called cold Spring Harbor,
and then after World War Two they continued. They started
the mk ulture program, which was the use of drugs
as weapons against this program in the same Cold Spring
Harbor laboratory as they had eugenics you know movement in

(12:27):
So yeah, they anyway, so they used the Nazi scientists
with operations like paper Clip that saved hundreds of Nazi
scientists and brought them into that program because they had
already been experimenting with psychedelics on you know, people in
concentration camps in Nazi Germany. So then they just brought
that same research erb and brought it to cold Spring Harbor.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Hey, you know what I found out. I recently interviewed
somebody who's in a position to know her identity is
private for the moment, But what she taught me was
is that besides Operation paper Clip, these same Nazis when
they came over in these programs, they're the ones that
started the Food and Drug Administration too.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, and pharmaceuticals and stuff in and all this crap
it's in our in our diet.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah. I mean they're so intertwined, some of these government
agencies with the U S. Intelligence agencies. It's incredible. It's
it's really sad and scary, but so yeah, I mean that,
you know, they had that they had Nazis download in America,
sever setting up cocaine trafficking operations down there and you know,
uh kind of causing coups. They had cocaine coups in Bolivia,

(13:39):
that's what they were dubbed, where the Nazis would team
up with cocaine warlords. Basically, these people are trafficking cocaine
down there and the CIA would help them and overthrowing
any kind of form of real governments or leftist governments.
They were behind the you know, the coup against Salvador Allende,
and so when they were you know, they were a

(14:01):
huge part of the whole Operation Condor, which was an
assassination operation that was active. It was active in about
seven to nine different Latin American countries. That was centered
in Chile and Argentina, but it traveled around the world
killing Latin American leftists. So so I'll bring you up

(14:22):
to the culture is the m culture is the second
chapter of my book and really launches the book because
they experiment with so many drugs to be used as warfare,
not just not just abroad, because they didn't have like
a psychedelic hit list against for to dose Castro, you know,
the dose Shei Gevera, the dose NASA in Egypt and

(14:44):
other you know, left wing kind of leaders around the world,
but also against the American communities. I argue, and I
show the evidence.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Of what were they successful in dose in Castro?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I'm not sure. I would imagine since they tried to
kill him at least, you know, a dozen times admitted
by US Congress, they probably did Dosehm at some point,
but I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, probably had some speech that night man probably
twenty four hours. What about what about Chay and and
uh Aleande You think they were dose as well?

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Well?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I don't know about en Day, but I know Chay
they had on that psychedelic hit list. Whether they actually
did to him or not, they don't know. I include
Chay in the book because one of the main guys
that was that that targeted Chay was a guy that
they called the Butcher of Lyons and it is a

(15:37):
cross Barbie right, and and he kind of he led
the operation against schago Era and he was he also
led the first cocaine coup in Bolivia, where you know,
he overthrew a government, but he was setting up things
in Bolivia for for decades around cocaine trafficking, work against leftists,

(16:00):
and the CIA had him help them hunt down Shay Gavera.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Isn't that the guy that he cut off Chase hands
and he kept them in his freezer?

Speaker 3 (16:10):
It possibly could be. I haven't heard that story. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Listen, yeah, listen to the store, the show with the
Daniel Hopsicker because heina Barry Steele and stuff like that.
He knew all those guys, and yeah, he told some
very interesting stories about that operation forty. I guess it
was called the world of Those assassins were running around
during that whole period of time.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Okay, Yeah, it's interesting and I didn't hear that. But
the use of the drugs as weapons against the United
States is more interesting. I bet to a lot of
listeners because I show the evidence of how they targeted musicians,
particularly leftist musicians, and they target them in different ways.
One way is that they used them to promote drugs.

(16:55):
They got them using drugs and got them promoting drugs.
But they also targeted them to hurt their minds with
acid and other drugs and hurt their lives and control
them better. And so for you know, for just for example,
well with Paul Robison, it was just to hurt his mind.
They dosed his drinks with a psychedelic and he didn't

(17:15):
know what it was, you know, it was going on,
and then they convinced him to go into a hospital
where they gave him electric shock treatment. That's according to
Paul Robson's son, who was also dosed when he went
to try to save his father. Really yeah, and he
said that a number of different speeches. Yeah, And so
they know he's a psychedelic. They don't know if it
was LSD or be beasy, but you know, he knows

(17:38):
it was a psychedelic. He's so either way. So then
they I also show the evidence that the first person
to give Elvis drugs was this manager, Colonel Tom Parker,
and he started giving him. You know, Elvis was only
twenty one years old when Colonel Tom Parker kind of
inserted himself as his manager, started giving him tons of

(17:59):
uppers and down and then they drafted Elvis and John
Lennon said that Elvis basically, you know, they kept asking
John Lennon for a quote when Elvis died, and John
Lennon said, you know, if you want to know when
Elvis died, in my mind, Elvis died when they got
him into the army. You know, after that, it was

(18:20):
just the living dead. And I argue, I show that
there's so many operations CIA operations going on in Germany,
and started in the US with his colonel Tom Parker
getting to be his manager and giving him all these drugs.
Then they get him over to Germany and they put
all kinds of agents around him, and there's a lot
of the cult operations going on in Germany we know

(18:41):
at that time in the fifties, according to different CIA scientists.
And then when he came back, they wouldn't allow him
to choose his own film. He didn't do a live
kind of performance for about a decade. You know. It
was they was just completely controlled. It was his whole
life was controlled. And then of course he died of

(19:01):
uppers and.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Downers, very interesting, you know. But coincidentally, I just reached
out to Priscilla Presley about coming on the show, so
we're looking forward to that. She had to say about
all this and what does she fit into this? What
do you think anything?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I don't know anything about Priscilla Presley. I'm sorry about that,
but you know, it just and then it just moved
on to the sixties musicians. Though Mick Jagger guys first
hit of acid from an undercover FBI agent, a guy
named David Schneiderman or also been called David Jove. According
to London press reports, he was an undercover FBI agent
and this happened after Ae Hotchner, who was a longtime

(19:41):
editor for you Know. Ernest Hemingway had written a book
about blown called blown Away about the Rolling Stones, and
in that he says that the assistant Deputy Director of
the CIA, Robert Lashbrook, was in London distributing LSD to
his agents and telling them to get you know, get
as many musicians using LSD as possible, okay, and that

(20:04):
was part of kulture. They were doing that all over
the place. And what I argue on a show is
that they were trying to get these musicians using LSD
to promote LSD, just in the same way you get
Lebron James wearing Nike shoes to promote Nike shoes. And
but you know that's the way that those were our
role models, and you know, they would make it seem
like everyone's using acid, you should use you know, you

(20:24):
should eat acid too. And so Mick Jagger resisted for
a while because Lashbrook started that about nineteen sixty five.
So Jagger Guy's first day of acid from under courage
and then he was framed and then under the legal
Authoriti's thumb. And John Lennon got his first day of acid.
He was dosed by George Harrison's dentists at a party
you know, I mean had a dinner in nineteen sixty five.

(20:47):
You know, it was just three couples. George Harrison's Dennis
had George and John with their partners over for dinner
and then dose their drinks with acid. And John Lennon
was extremely mad about it. George Harrison's didn't even know
what LSD was was at that time because it wasn't
popular in Britain at that time. And later I show
you know, if you look at Dave mcgallan's work and

(21:09):
other people's work is just the fact they kind of ingratiated.
They made the scene so popular in the United States
with acid that later John Lennon, you know, thought well
maybe it's not that bad and kept eating acid. But
he thought he was losing his mind on acid for
a while there. He actually considered tree panting and drilling
holes into his head to expand his mind at one point.

(21:31):
It really messed his head up a bit.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, Now, what did you come up with on Leary?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Well, Leary actually admitted being working for the CIA in
different interviews. Now, I argue when he first got CIA
front company money to experiment with mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms at Harvard,
and that was being given out to over one hundred colleges,
all this money to experiment with mushrooms or with acid
at different colleges. So at that point point he just

(22:01):
unknowingly was you was getting CIA grants and doing doing
that kind of stuff. And a guy named Michael hollings
Head who was a British They call him a British
propagandist agent, propaganda agent, but I argue he was just British,
and you know, CIA British mchiulture from probably the Tavistock Institute.
He had already Michael Hollings said, already worked worked near

(22:22):
the United Nations. He held parties right new United Nations,
got a lot of people over there from the UN
and and covered his everything with LSD. All his furniture
fellas D. He got all the people that he made
to the party tripping. That's the kind of stuff he
was doing. And uh, then he takes a jar of acid,
you ten thousand hits of acid to Harvard, visits Leary

(22:45):
and gets Leary convinces Learry to try acid, when Leary
hadn't tried acid at the point, he was only working
in psychedelic mushrooms. And Leary's colleague said that he gave
that Holling said, gave Leary a three day dose of acid,
you know, enough acid that had him tripping for three
straight days. And so he retally, you know, messed his

(23:08):
mind up. And they said he was like, you know,
he was just a puppy, lappuppy to Holling sad thereafter,
and but Holling said, convinced, you know, and and Leary
convinced them all to start eating acid, and started using
acid in their experiments to Harvard, and then Harvard kicked
them out, but then they started. Then Melan Hitchcock, the

(23:30):
Melan Hitchcock family, Peggy and William Billion Hitchcock, you know,
Melan Hitchcock funded Leary's group that was the international It's
called if IF something about psychedelic freedom whatever. It is,
some ridiculous group. But they basically Melan Hitchcock gave him
his mansion in New York and you know, in the

(23:52):
County of New York City and huge mansions, gave it
over to him, and they funded other other plays where
for Leary's group, and it kind of evolved into the
brotherhood hood of Internal Love that group. But they basically
got people from New York City up there and to
visit Leary got people tripping from all walks of life.

(24:14):
And I argue a lot of these people were activists,
and a lot of these people were musicians and were
you know, role models for others, and and there was
a lot of MK ultra scientists who were housing themselves
at Larry's mansion, you know, at that mansion that Larry
kind of took over for Melon from Melon Hitchcock. And
so it was like a guinea pig farm right there.

(24:35):
And the same same thing happened when the in San Francisco,
and I can describe that to you too.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
It's always a good sign to look for, you know,
where's all this funding coming from? And someone gives this
guy mansion, you know, like, yeah, take the time to
ask yourself. You know where's this coming from?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
You know, right, Melon, Hitchcock, the Melon family were all
there were modeled in US intelligence. There were owners of
Melon Bank and golf Oil. There were some of the richest,
you know, one of the richest families the country.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
And Leary too as well. Most of his public life
he was out on bail. Yeah, facing charges.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah. I mean he actually admitted later interviews back to
realizing and knowing he was working for the CIA when
he was spreading acid too, but he ratted out the
weather Underground and got some of them rested. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
But when I was used to hang out on the
IPI he's in New York City for one of the
first things I said was, Hey, how about Timothy Leary?
What do you think of him? And everyone said right away,
this is back in nineteen seventy nine, as oh, he's CIA.
The guy's CIA. He's a rat, he's a you know,
he's an informant, and so it was pretty much well
known way back in that time.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I'm glad they knew.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, and that whole story about where he is, some
story about where he's in this he got himself into
a minimum security prison. Yeah, because he wrote the test.
He wrote the psychological test himself, and since he knew
how to take the test, they put him in a
minimum security and that he climbed out of a second
story window on a telephone pole wire and shouldn't be

(26:04):
down a telephone pole. But the guys who picked him
up says, oh no, he was sitting waiting there at
the bus stop, so they probably just opened up the
door and let him out.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah. I don't know the specifics of how he got out.
I know the Weather Underground picked him up. Yeah, they
say the Weather Underground picked him up from there. And
it turns out it was actually Peggy Millon Hitchcock that
funded the whole operation of him him getting out there,
and then they flew him to Algeria to visit with

(26:34):
the Aldridge Cleaver in the Black Panthers, an excele chapter
out there in Algiers and so Aldridge Cleaver first accepted
him because he was in solidarity with the Weather Underground.
But then when he found out that Leary brought it,
I think it was either twenty or thirty thousand hits
of acid with him, he put him under house arrest

(26:57):
and said, you know this is and hold a press
conference and said this is what he brought to us.
And you know, you're you know, I'm sorry that your
leader's mind is blown, you know, to the hippie community.
But but he's got to get out of here. He
can't get as kicked out of this country. And and
I argue that Leary was trying to spread acid amongst
the panthers and amongst another country.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Wasn't Leary also socializing with people of the US embassy
in Algiers.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
I certainly believe it. I don't know for sure, believe it.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, oh boy, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Got him out of there, got him out of the
Black Panthers in Algeria, you know, headquarters, and flew him back,
you know, to to other countries to safety.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh really, yeah, oh I never heard that part, but yeah,
but that makes sense because by that point he was
turning everybody in. He was writing everybody out. And he
even wrote a letter to his wife at the time
or ex wife at the time, telling her, Hey, you
should make a deal too and write these people out
because it's what I'm doing. And I've seen an interview
with her when she talked about it.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. So but the bigger thing about
that is that you know, he's saying all over the country,
you know, tune in, turnal on, drop out and basically
just telling activists to drop out, you know, don't get
involved in this this stuff. Just just you know, escape
with with acid and other drugs. And a lot of
people were doing that, you know, and that's what they

(28:20):
they and that's what you know, I show evidence of agents,
you know, around ken Kesey's acid tests. John Gininger said
in a legal deposition that him and to other scientists
attended several of the acid tests, you know, early acid
tests in San Francisco, and uh, I, you know, ken
Kesey first went to an m culture's kind of scientific

(28:42):
program just to make a little money. But then I
argue that they you know, kind of manipulated him after
he you know, ate his first hits of acid and
they pretended like he was they let him steal tons
of acid from their hospital because they let him work there.
He took tons of acid. They pretend like led him
that he you know, he thought he was just stealing it,

(29:03):
and then he just got the keys and was lucky.
But they kept letting him steal it and kept letting
him hold acid parties the same way. M culch of
scientists were holding parties in New York and it became
bigger and bigger. And there's John Gittinger, one of the
top ci A signed m klch CI scientists there with
two other you know, m kelt of scientists. At those parties,
they get bigger and bigger. Ken Kesey decides after about

(29:27):
the third acid test that he doesn't want to hold
him anymore. He doesn't like him anymore, and he's going
to preach to graduate from acid and all of a
sudden he's arrested and he can't be, you know, part
of it anymore. And then some other pranksters who have
dubious histories because they were some of the first people
in the Vietnam War, like high level officers in the

(29:48):
Vietnam War, they threw much bigger acid tests, and uh,
they called him near the trip the Trips festival, and
then they became the beings, and then you know, it
became the huge rock cons It's a course that you
might read about with some of the connections from Dave
mcgallan's book about weird scenes in the canyon. But there,
you know, in the heat Ashbury area. Uh acid the

(30:11):
book Acid Dreams. Uh. You know Martin Martin Lee of
who founded Fairness Act Reporting, found that there. You know,
he got u CI agent saying we had our we
had acid laboratories there. We also had you know, different
hotspots that we we we had so many agents there
watching the scene. And so while they were just watching

(30:31):
the scene and why they had part of underground acid laboratories.
They don't explain why, but I argue they were doing
that in different cities all over the country. Is like
such as Saint Mark's area of New York City.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Very interesting. Okay, uh, you know what, we gotta take
a break. We let's take a commercial break and we'll
be right back after this with more of John Pottash.
I got so many questions that I want to keep
in throughout.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I'm sorry, I'll talk to man.

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(38:29):
the CIA's murderous targeting of SDS, Panthers, Hendrix Lennon, Cobain,
Tupac and other leftists. John, you were talking about the
electric kool Aid asset test and Kinsey and those characters.
The merry pranksters and the.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Okay, now I knew one of those guys, Okay, Michael Moran.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah for his name. I just don't that much about him.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Okay, interesting guy because I only met him a couple
of times, and he remembered me, and he remembered a
lot of stuff about me, way more than he should have. Yeah,
looking back now, it makes me very nervous now looking
at it with a whole different perspective. You know, something
was going on, right, and he was hooked up with
that guy Bob A. Ramdas again, another guy who was

(39:20):
trying to get everybody off into the meditation and tune out.
And also this stuff, you know, which brings up a question,
not to get too far off a tangent, but what
do you think about the legalization of marijuana and so
many people seem to think it's awakening us and freeing
our minds and it's part of the revolution. What do

(39:41):
you think.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I don't have a strong opinion about it in some
ways that I mean, I think it's good that if
they decriminalize we that's fine, because they're definitely using it
to imprison so many people. On the other hand, the
fact that it's kind of leading more people to get
high more often and turning them into housecats versus you know,

(40:03):
strong activists. That's that's a concern. So I kind of
I'm a little minimal the road about it. Now. I'd
like to see most drugs decriminalized and you know and treated,
But at the same time, I don't want to see
people using you know, drugs in any way any more
than recreationally, and even recreationally you know, only you know,

(40:25):
weed that you know isn't dangerous, but synthetic weed is dangerous.
It's you know, making people lose their minds. I was
seeing them in my impatient facility when I was working
in patient for addictions mental health that we were getting
people that were using synthetic marijuana coming in and they
were paranoid, psychotic for days, if not weeks. So it's
really it's you know, some of that stuff can be

(40:47):
really dangerous and you got to watch out what's put
in your weed. So there is concerns about like that,
and of course the psychedelics. You know, I show studies
that acid can cause some mild damage, and I felt
like it damaged me and a half dozen hits I
used in college, So my grades dropped drastically, and all
but loads of studies that were showing damage at times

(41:10):
right after it was made illegal, when the medical field
was embarrassed by the fact that it was legal and
their psychiatrists were used trying to use it regulate for
therapy before they made it illegal. So all these reports
of it that's actually causing some damage is embarrassing to
the community. And so the old idea of mind expansion
is ridiculous. And anyone who's you know, seen a deadhead

(41:35):
is just tripped too much that can see there's there's
something a little wrong there. You know. People sad enough
we come out with a little lesson. We came in
with after acid, and you know, it took me a
year to get my grades back up, and I felt
like I lost some abilities I'll never get back from acid.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
It's sad to say I agree with you one hundred percent,
because if you get busted, they got those charges hanging
over you, they can control you. Or if you're just
zombie out and sitting on your base and smoking poddle,
then well you're not doing anything to help anybody.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Really. Yeah, now this is truly keep it to once
a month. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, yeah, come by my house once a month. But
that brings up a question now, because now I know
that if I had a substance problem, I'd be worried
about where I went to. I wouldn't want to go
to Betty Ford because you hear all those stories about
mind control going on in those places. Now you're in
that business, where would I go?

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
If your guy I trust? Okay, I'm in trouble. I
got an addiction. Where do I go?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Well, I mean, there's a few good places around here,
you know, Mountain Manor around here is pretty good. But
my neph I can't get it. I'm trying to think
of the good ones. Hazelton's good. Hazelton's a good one.
Where else. There's a few that come to.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Mind, Okay, and those are on the those are on
the East coast.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Well, Mountain Manors here on the East coast. Hazelton's over
in the Midwest. Yeah, this is just a few that
come to mind. I don't know a whole lot of
I mean I know some. Karen Foundation as a good
clinic in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Okay, So back to the topic tonight of your book,
Drugs as Weapons against us we left off about the
Kinsey area and the Mary Pranksters.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, so it's interesting. So I was analyzing San Francisco
in a big way at the same time that spending
several years researching that. When I was in I finished
the manuscript and gave it to the Trying Day. And
around that time, Dave McGowan came out with his book

(43:45):
Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon and and he was analyzing
the Los Angeles community. And it's interesting that the parallels
between those two communities. Now, nothing really quite matches the
level of intense and how many top American musicians were
inside that Lawyell Canyon. So that is a special case scenario. Now,

(44:07):
what I did is I analyzed the amount of CI
agents and M culture scientists that were gathering in that
San Francisco you know Bay, San Francisco Bay Community, Hate
Ashbury and all around there. Dave saw the patterns of
the families in Lawell Canyon, and you know, in terms

(44:28):
of them coming from military backgrounds, them being in the
military and then coming out and being instant rock stars,
and it's you know, it was a pretty incredible pattern
because it happened again and again and again. He shows,
you know, with with dozens of these guys. So you know,
I think so I ended up including his book and

(44:48):
you know, maybe a half dozen to a dozen pages
of my like four hundred and fifty page book because
it just fits right in there. We were doing similar research,
finding similar things going on. I just get a little
bit more into the history of of all the drugs,
and he gets a little more into the history of
the musicians.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Did you stumble on anything with Manson family? Because you
know that guy texts Watson. He was an interesting character.
He came out of the military and when he was
running around with Manson, he had short hair, he had
a crew cut and uh, and then he took off
out of town and they're holding up his extradition. He
had powerful people helping him stay out of this case,
and he's kept his mouth shut all this time. Did

(45:26):
you stumble art anything with them?

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah? Well, I think, uh, I think Dave Dave shared
a little more about Manson family. But I argue what
I show about the Manson family is is that they
were involved with the processed church. Processed church. You know,
visited Manson in jail and processed church. According to a

(45:49):
a psychologist, gave a lecture to conference at a regional
conference for counselors, and his lecture is about decision identity
disorder and colts and he says, in analyzing the Processed
Church and other cults and the way that they're so systematic,
the way they you know, sexually abused children and they

(46:13):
use the same techniques as the CIA, and it's it's
just too methodical and it's too widespread around the country
that it must be a national program and these must
be front companies, these cults must be doing frontwork for
the CIM culture program because they're using the exact same methods.
And it's a very interesting speech. And Jim Keith's Mind

(46:37):
Control Mass Control documented all that whole speech and documented,
you know, all the ways that it's very similar, you know,
all the other evidence that backs up that speech. And
so that's it leads us to believe that those Manson women,
they weren't freaks of nature, they were part of them
culture program. And so at federal hearing in the nineteen nineties,

(47:03):
an important counselor brought two women she counseled to the
federal hearings on radiation that Clinton had that was actually
couldn't administration had and you can see it on YouTube
and I have sourced in my book these women testified
that from an early age, from anywhere from three to
seven years old one, they were sexually abused, they were

(47:24):
physically abused, they were tortured, They were given psychedelic drugs
to turn them into CIA, to split their minds first
of all, and turned them into manipulated like prostitutes and
assassins for the CIA, and the counseling kind of deprogrammed
them from that and got their their minds a little

(47:45):
bit back together, you know, from the dissociate identity disorder
what they used to call multiple personality disorder. And as
a counselor, I know that's the way you split someone's
mind as you get them from that vulnerable age between
two and seven years old. If you get their minds
then with sexual and physical abuse, that's how you can
do it.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Okay. I got two questions for you. One, are you
a member of the Moritary group with me on Facebook?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
I am yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Okay, then you've seen that I in s document that
he puts up there. This talks about how the processed church,
the members of the Manson family in jail were sowing
the Process emblem into their blankets.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
And that's interesting. I didn't I miss that.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
I'll send it to you. I take credit for it
now that I got my head's on its mine, but
I got it from Morietary who found this. It's an
I n S document. And also too, he talks about
how Sir Hans Sir Hand, the assassin of Bobby Kennedy,
went to parties with Process Church, and also he talks
about how Papa John Phillips was funding the Processed Church

(48:47):
in California.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Makes total sense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Now the other question is I want to answer real
quick before I forget. Is that woman you talked about,
the psychiatrist, is she available to do a show?

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Oh? God, last time I tried to find out more
about her, I heard she I don't know if she's
still alive. I wish she was. You got to see
I don't know if you've ever seen on YouTube, but
you should. You can just go and go into the
back of my book and you can actually, you know,
through Google Books. You can just click one a link
in my footnotes and it instantly comes up the video

(49:19):
of her testifying to the federal you know, in the
federal hearings and two of her you know, counseling clients
testifying to what happened, you know, went on with them,
and they actually named some of these M culture scientists
like that I named in my book, John Gettinger, Sidney Gottlieb,
the director of m KULT named them as the people
that are actually doing some of the torture and sexual

(49:42):
abuse against them and giving them the psychedelics and all that.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, amazing. So many of these people you try and
get them as a guest, and then you find out
they're dead, you know, and it cannot be a coincidence.
It just cannot be, you know, that they were all
just dying in natural causes of that.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I don't know. I don't know what happened here. If
she's dead or I'm not sure I think she is,
but I'm not positive.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Will try and find her, you know, Okay, what's next?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, well, so the you know, of course, some more
interesting things I think to a lot of readers would
probably be the musicians that I highlight, you know, you know,
of course, Hendrix, Lennon, Kobe and Tupac and other activists.
But now so I I did I mention to you
about the Rolling Stones and what Hotchin said about the
acid and all you.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I mentioned that about what's his name, Keith not Keith Richards,
Mick Jagger getting dosed, ye, but.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah, so he got dosed and and so you know,
meanwhile said last Brook that you know, as I said,
assistant Deputy directorcy I was getting the acid around everywhere
to all the all the British musicians. And so Brian
Jones got heavyly into the drugs then too. And and
the thing is Brian Jones and Mick Jagger was outspoken
against the Vietnam War, and we're the ones actually attended

(50:59):
anti war rallies. And Brian Jones was the founder of
the Rolling Stones, who's considered their best musician. So after
they get them, you know, using some drugs, they also
framed them. Mick Jagger actually got a cop on film,
you know, planting drugs in his car. And but they
were still under under legal Authori's thumb. Brian Jones in particular,
because when the Stones went to tour America, they wouldn't

(51:22):
allow Brian Jones to have a visa to get out
of the out of England. But so Brian Jones had
they kind of had to separate from Brian Jones with
the band. But Jones started sobering up at that point
and got away from drugs and then called Jimmy Accorn
to Ady Hotchner his book Blown Away. He called John
Lennon and called Jimmy Hendrix, who was friends with both

(51:45):
of them, and and convinced them to form a supergroup,
which would have been incredible activist group, you know, incredible
group in general. And after that, a friend of Brian
Jones says he was at his house. He left his
house to go pick up a friend in town, and
then when he came back, the kind of house was
blocked off by cars and there was some kind of

(52:07):
party there when there was supposed to be a party.
He couldn't get in. He tried to get around in
the back. He looked on some hill over at the pool.
He saw someone being drowned in Brian Jones pool. And
then some guy pops out up out of the woods
and says, get out of here or else you're next,
you know, and knew his name. This was actually a
member of the Guinness family that that said all this,

(52:30):
and because he was the friend of Brian Jones, and
and so his friend, a friend was with him. He
said he never saw the friend again and then you know,
he was scared to say anything till years later. But
that was the person being brown being drowned was Brian Jones,
of course, and so he witnessed Brian Jones's murder and uh,

(52:50):
and I argue it's because he was sobering up and
he was going to form this super group and it
was a danger. Who was you know to us authorities,
I mean to you know, us and British intelligence. So
this is the what generally happens is they they manipulate
them into using drugs to promote drugs, but when they
start serving up and are into activism, they do away
with them when they do, you know, when they try

(53:12):
to preach the opposite or when they get you know,
turned into opposite role models. And so you know, you
can see that with a number of these musicians, well.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Like you said, they playing drugs on them, like they
did with the Jagger and also too it was it was, uh,
who's that guy, g Gordon Liddy who was involved in
the bust of Larry with the marijuana when he got
busted with old joint of marijuana and a potted plant
inside his home.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Yeah, you know that was I mean when went to
make up g Gordon Lyddy and Larry because they they
kind of did a tour together, tour together, so they're
in the same boat. I mean, they're in the same
little hotbit of US intelligence. Yes, me, g Gordon Letdy was.
You know it was a Nixon plumber too.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
We're just imagine if you or I were to go
on a tour with Gordon. You know, it's not gonna work, man,
We're not gonna get along. Get out. But yeah, but
good old that Timothy Leary did. Oh my god. Okay,
so what do you got next?

Speaker 3 (54:12):
But so, so then you got Hendrix was a uh,
you know, was not actually an activist until and Martha
King died, and you know, Martha King was assassinated, and
then that really depressed Jimmy Hendrix and Black Panthers had
had asked him for help before that, and he didn't
want to help him. After MLK died, he would. He

(54:35):
dedicated his last album to the Black Panthers. He started
saying in interviews, you gotta get your Black Panthers to
protect you. And he started forming an activist group and
he was gonna make overtures to Bob Dylan to become
part of his activist group, according to his ex fiance
Monica Danoman. And and meanwhile, uh An m I six

(54:58):
agent Michael Jefferies had serted himself into Hendricks's life and
proceeded to sabotage his career as best he could. And
so when jeff when first thing, you know, he had
a mafia, kidnapped Hendrix and then pretended to have larger mafia.
After three days free Hendricks from that first mafia, and

(55:21):
the FBI had Hendricks under regular surveillance, and there's loads
of documents on Jimmy Hendricks and the FBI files. But
so Hendricks thinks that Mike Jeffries. Also, when when Hendricks
tried to do activist concerts, Jefferies kept trying to get
him not to and then when he finally did one,
he dosed his drink with you know, with tons of

(55:43):
psychedelics and messed up his guitar playing, and Hendricks got
upset and ended the concert early. And so Hendricks finally
fired Mike Jeffries, and within forty eight hours of firing him,
he died. And according to a Roady of of Hendricks.
He came out of the book within the last few years.

(56:03):
It says that that Mike Jefferies actually admitted having Jimmy
Hendrix killed. And everyone knows when you're m I six
or CIA, you're m I six or CIA for life,
you're not former m I six. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
The whole Hendricks story deserves a whole show by itself. Yeah,
because there's no doubt the people have surrounded this guy.
And I believe that the person who killed Hendricks was
involved in killing somebody else as well, another rock star.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
No, well, there's always you know, with all of these guys,
there's multiple people that die around them that are associated
with them. Sad to say, you know, h One, Cobin, Tupac,
Jimmy Hendrix, and John Lennon, so many people died around them,
you know, with with Tupac, just I it seems like
every few years, another person that was close to Jimmy Hendrix. Yeah,

(56:53):
a few people died around them too, sure. And Kurt Cobain,
a few people close to him, you know died, oh.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Boy, Okay, And and and also to the whole thing
with the Cobain and that that also connects in our
friend and Carra said, who was who was hooked up
with all these guys. By the way, he told me
that what his duty was around these characters was to
bring them down from bad LSD trips.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Yeah, well he did. He did have a he did
start something around that, and that's an interesting thing. I
don't know, you know, what to say about it. It's
a good thing to do. Of course, he says that
he was like in opposition of Alsley. He said, Alsie
was a conservative, you know, super critically conservative guy, super
wealthy guy. Of course, his full name was really Augustus

(57:43):
Alsley Stanley the third and came from a super wealthy family.
And he, you know, Alsie tried to get the grateful
Dead to do conservative stuff and to get more into drugs.
And Hank Harrison said he was trying to get the
dead to do, you know, go the opposite away. But yeah,
Harrison gave me very interesting information. When Courtney Love, it

(58:07):
appeared that she kind of had the same development as
some of those as likely some of those women in
the Manson family, right, you know, and this women that
I told you about in that there's federal hearings because
she her biological mother had a memoir saying that she
thinks she was abused in childcare. She sent her to

(58:28):
counseling at the age of three, which is unbelievable. Is
that's like an unbelievable age you go to counseling. Courtney
Love sent Hank Harrison a letter saying that my counselors
sexually abused me. And one of my counselors was also
a romantic partner of my mother, Linda Carroll. And she
also said in a letter when she was Courney Love

(58:51):
was fourteen years old trying to get Hank Harrison to
get her out of juvenile detention center, that the counselors
were giving me second alls to and all's and not
show that these were mkulture drugs to use for psychohypnosis.
And so you know, it's a pattern you see that

(59:12):
suggests that she went through, you know, the division of
her mind, that this associative identity disorder process. And by
the time she was, you know, sixteen years old, she
was already a prostitute and heroin addict.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
And did you know him back to her early life,
did you know that in middle school she went to
the Presidio Middle School.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, I remember talking to you about that. I talked
to your friend about that. I did. Yeah, and then
so thanks for putting me up with him. Yeah, he
just knew she was there. And so Hank Harrison said,
she thinks she also might have been in presidio, you know,
childcare when she was much younger too. And of course
that's where the radio ritual sexual abuse was going on

(59:52):
by that US intelligence, that military psychological operations officer, I
forgot his name now, but you know what I'm talking about.
He was working out a presidio, was called doing that
stuff in the presidio.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Well, Colonel Michael Aquino. But I believe it was never charged,
and I believe he as a matter of fact of
when I charged right right, and who came in and
cleared him of all those charges was none other than
Rudy Giuliani.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Oh wow, really had right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
You gotta laugh, because if you didn't, we'd all have pitchforks. Listen,
we gotta take a nice little another five minute break here, sure,
and then we'll be back with more of our friend here.
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Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Thanks, hear you man. Thanks, it's fun.

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I hear you, John. You know here tonight by the way,

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with John Potash, who's a really cool guy, one of
my favorite guests and one of our most popular guests
as a matter of fact.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Too, you're one of my favorite guys to talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Thank you very much, you know, And as you author
of drugs as weapons against this, the CIA is murderous
targeting of sds and blah blah blah blah blahole bunch
of other people. But the thing is this, you know,
it's you know what, John, The thing is I think
one reason why we're getting so much pushback is because
guys like you and me, and then McGowan and uh

(01:06:14):
Mary Terry and Joe Detoma and Cisco Street Love all
these guys kind of met through the show and we're
all kind of in the background and we're all kind
of tuned into the same kind of thing. Yeah yeah,
and noticing what's going on. And I talked about it
on the air a couple of times and even put
the pictures up on my faces. But when John mailed

(01:06:34):
me a copy of his book, his last book, that
box was ripped open in a way. There's just no
excuse for it. I get packages here all day long,
the evidence that it's sealed with evidence tape, you know,
and uh yeah, only a couple of times in my
life have I had that kind of a sabotage to
a package come to me through the US mail. And

(01:06:55):
the other time was with the Sarah Palin case.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
I didn't know that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
I told you last time too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
I forgot. I'm sorry that I've heard that from a
few different people that my pack packages that tried to
send Tome it's ripped open and the books out of it.
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yeah, well, no, the book was in it, everything was intact,
was in it this time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Yeah, but it happens to me too. When I mail
people in autographed book. You know, half the time they
don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
You know, I don't even question it. But the beginning
I thought, hey, they're trying to scam me out of
a book. But now I realize this stuff gets lost.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Yeah, it's sometimes. I mean, actually it has happened. When
only happened when I've sent it to someone who's real
high up in the industry, they get an open package
without the book in it. But you know, regular people
that sent books to it, doesn't you know, they usually
get the book. It's not problem.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Now back to Courtney Love though. You know, when I
did all this research on the Jeffrey Epstein case, it
turns out as well. You know, she was on that
list on his flight list, flying around on his private
plane with those characters Dershwitz and Prince Andrew and the
president of Israel and makes sense, the president of Columbia.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so she's she was traveling. Hank Harrison
said she was traveling around with two CIA agents when
she was sixteen years old.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Oh really, Yeah, she.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Brought a thousand hits of acid to Dublin when he
was doing research in Dublin. First, first, she's uh, she
gets she gets hooked on heroin, and she's prostituting to
with a woman named Frenchie Maar's son. That was a
pseudonym that you know, that Harrison used. But it's a

(01:08:35):
prominent woman in prominent madam in the Sam Francisco area
that he knew, but he was scared to give her
a real name. But he found out that she was
prostituting to David Packard, the assistant Secretary of Defense at
one point, you know, Hewlett Packard fame. Yeah, And so
he tells me about that. And then in another biography

(01:08:57):
of Courtney Love, James and Cornelov's first husband says that
she told him that she was prostituting to army generals
in Alaska too when she was still a teenager. She
was also prostituting for Asian mafia and going to you know,
in another biography, she admitted that she was prostituting in

(01:09:18):
Taiwan before she you know, was out for ten years.
So this isn't just any normal like, Okay, you develop
a heroin problem and you you know, you have to
prostitute to get money for heroin problem. This is high
level prostitution to you know, top figures, top military figures.
So that's what she was really about. And she was
traveling with the CIA agents. That's when she had the

(01:09:39):
thousand hits of acid. She brought that all to to
the London music scene in Manchester, was a growing scene
in Manchester, spreading drugs like crazy in that scene, messing
up that scene, having sex with you know, the drummer
for the Pogues, and when he was married and she
got pregnant with his kid and you know, split his marriage.

(01:09:59):
Just she was called wrecking havoc in the scene. And
she she does that in every city she goes to.
She brings tons of drugs, spreading out like candy. Who
knows where she gets all the drugs, you know, practically,
you know, seemingly for free, and spreading around the Portland
music scene and all these different music scenes, the l
A music scene. She then hooks up with the top

(01:10:21):
punk musician in LA that's James Morland, and tries to
control him. He thought he was marrying a you know,
some punk feminist. It turns out, she says she was
like a right wing Phillis Diller and saying that the
army general's told, you know, told her that the wars
were good for us, and she would have him beat
into submission if he tried to cross her, you know,
and then he just eventually divorced her. But that's what

(01:10:45):
she was about. And so I argue, and I share
the evidence that she was, you know, one of those
associate identity to sort of her victims, who was doing
you know, whether she knew it or not, was doing
the work of intelligence. And they insert her into Kirk
Cobain's like because they did psychological profiling of him like
they do many activists. And I show evidence of that
happening in a number of situations, and they he had

(01:11:08):
a long term stomach ailment that was severe, severe stomach ailment.
And people know that a tincture of opium helped solve
you know, intestinal issues, like Paragoric had that tincture of opium,
and so he dabbled in Heroin's they did six to
ten times in four years from nineteen eighty six to
nineteen ninety according to his diaries. But she got him

(01:11:29):
using daily, according to all his friends and associates who
said he was not never a daily heroin user. So
he met her. She was inserted into his life when
his his you know, album never Mind was already rising
in the charts rapidly and he was becoming huge, and
he also, of course was very into left wing activism,
Kurt Kobin, and so she got him using heroin daily,

(01:11:50):
promoting heroin at the same time that you know that weird.
The CIA was trafficking heroin out of the Afghanistan area,
which was called the Golden Cresset of opium, you know,
just similar to the Golden Triangle of opium and Vietnam
when we were trafficking heroin out of there, opid out,
you know, opiates out of there, excuse me. And so

(01:12:12):
I argue that they were having the supply come in
with the CIA trafficking, but they needed to promote the demand.
They needed to get the demand going, and so by
getting the people like Kurt Cobain using heroin, that was
a promotion technique. In the same way that the undercover
agent they had give Mick Jaggers for Abacaty he was
distributing lots of drugs. He got Keith richards On lots

(01:12:35):
of drugs this guy, Dave job or David Schneiderman that
m Kiltra agent. And so that's the way they do things.
And so then when Cobaine solved the stomach problem a
year before he died, he actually started getting clean and sober,
and that was shown by a toxicology report when he
had that coma in Rome, and that coma was actually

(01:12:56):
caused by Courtney loves prescription ro hypnol drug that you
can get, you know, prescribed to you in London, and yeah,
those are roofies for hymn all. Yeah, the date rape
drug that makes you lose your memory of what happened beforehand.
And I argue and showed the evidence that she actually
you know, gave him that and tried to kill the man,

(01:13:16):
was unsuccessful, but then you know, tried another time after that,
or actually before that, she tried another time. But then
finally all the evidence shows that she, you know, was
successful in or helping orchestrate his assassination or his murder
when he supposedly committed suicide. Now there's a new movie
coming out called Soaked in Bleach, which premiers in about

(01:13:37):
fourteen cities around the country on June eleventh, and you
can get on Vimeo and that shows all the expert evidence,
you know, giving their testimony and also has a docu
drama and showed has Courtney Love recorded saying some of
the things she said around that that provide the evidence
that he was that Kobe was actually murdered. He didn't
commit suicide and we are good for you know, you

(01:13:58):
probably know a serial weck. He testifies in that movie
and does a good job with that, and so it's
pretty clear he was murdered. And you know, she was
let off in despite tons of evidence that she was
mouthed and so why was she let off? And why
is there so much please cover up of it? And
you know you can just see from there with why
very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
You know, She's also connected to this guy, Sam Lufty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
I don't know Sam Lufty.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
He was Britney Spears manager when she was having her breakdown.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yeah, and now he's her manager, or at least was
shortly a short while ago. And Courtney Love also too
was inserted into the lives of Ozzy Osbourne's daughter when
she was heavily addicted. They found all those pillsuder her bed.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Yeah, she's connected to so many heroin overdoses and heroin
deaths in Seattle, and people in Seattle say there was
nothing like that. There's nothing to the level of her.
Before she came in, there was like there was no
people were very much more congenial before she she came
to went to the scene and she caused I mean
lots of you know. Kristen Faff was likely murdered when

(01:15:07):
she was trying to get out that scene. And she
was supposed to be in Kirk Coban's band after he
was He was actually breaking up Nirvana right before he
died and was going to form a new band with
Kristen Faff. Christian Faff had already exited hole, you know,
and she was trying to get out of Seattle. She
she had already moved back to her Minneapolis hometown and

(01:15:30):
was getting just getting her stuff from Seattle when Corney
Love's band member Eric Arlinson was the last person seen
with Christen Faff and she ended up, you know, with
a hot shot overdose of heroin. Really, yeah, she was.
She was an amazing bass player. Kirk Cobin thought she
was an amazing bass player, and she was credited with

(01:15:51):
like breaking a whole out into the you know, to
get tie on the music charts because there were great
musical skills.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Yeah. I tried to get that Soaked and Bleach guy
to come on the show, and I haven't adding success
with that. I'd love to do a show that Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Yeah, he's he seems like a really good guy. But
and he's probably you know, hopefully he's busy with other interviews.
But I don't know, you know, he may be shunned
by the press a little, but I just don't I'm
not sure. But I also think he's a little scared
to get involved in in the way I'm expressing the situation,
because you know, it's just, uh, he's probably getting enough

(01:16:31):
flack just for coming out with what he's coming out with.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
So I hear that. But you know, last week I
had on the FBI agent in charge of the anthrax investigation.
Yeah that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Yeah, that was interesting. So he came out with the
fact that that guy and Frederick actually you know, could
have been murdered. He's my understanding, well, at least he
said that there was there was a lot of incriminating
evidence around what happened with that guy and that guy
being framed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
I think, well, yeah. Yeah, we got into a lot
of details about how Flawa the investigation was from the start.
Now the investigation was hampered and stuff. He has a
lawsuit going on for like two and a half million
dollars and everyone else involved in that case that sued
the FBI has won because I think the FBI doesn't
want what really happened to come out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
I've got some inside information on that too, but I
can't really say it because it's breaking up some confidentiality
of people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Gotcha, okay?

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Is that guy's in my Maryland area?

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Very interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
So I know some stuff, but I can't really talk
about it. Yeah, sorry to say, I'll get myself in trouble,
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
But it's a small world, you know, it really is. Yeah, okay,
So what happens after? What's the next topic we got?

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Well, you know, of course we talked about Tupac Shakur
a good bit. But it's incredible how much it continues,
you know, with people around him dying. But there's just
there's so many different stories, of course in my book.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
But you know, Robert F.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Kennedy, I've told you about too. And the sad thing
is what happened to Students for Democratic Society, I think though,
I mean, you probably know a good bit about Students
for Democratic Society also, but they just you know, they
were the largest student anti war group of all time.
And I believe that when they started getting into the psychedelics,

(01:18:28):
they started losing, you know, some emotional control and they
just you know, Bernie Dorn, as brilliant as she was,
as grave a leader as she was, she acted rashly
to you know, lead people away from that last you
know STS convention split the STS and two and granted

(01:18:51):
undercover agents helped you know, spark and promote her to
do that. But that was the end of a huge
group that was doing good things. And then when she
formed the Weather Underground, you know, she was you know,
I think Mark Rudd was was close to her and
doing that work with forming Weather Underground. But Rudd was
anti LSD. His whole Columbia STS chapter was anti LSD,

(01:19:15):
explicitly anti LSD and said it was anti revolutionary. And
I showed the evidence that an undercover agent had been
part had formed a splinter group from the Yippies. He
called the group the Crazies. His name was George Demmerlely.
He came out as an undercover agent in court, but
it was his group that dosed the punch at a

(01:19:37):
Columbia SDS party and got them all tripping for the
first time. And so they if they said they had
fun at that party tripping, they decided they weren't to
be anti ascid anymore. But it was at that point
that Mark Rudd started acting like ridiculous, and and of
course Bernie Dorn started acting ridiculous. At the first Weather
Underground conference, She's lauding Charles Manson, okay, yeah, and saying

(01:20:00):
it's the year of the Fork for the fork that
Manson follower put in pregnant Sharon Tates belly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
I was acting diculous because I had him on my should.
He was acting ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Yeah, Well, I mean, I think Rudd. I'd like to
think that Rudd's gotten a lot better since then. I mean,
I've seen I've seen him speak. He seems better since then.
I don't know, but at that time, he you know,
they were they were stealing food from people on planes
and this is what they said. Uh, they were just
they were causing fist fights at on stages of conferences

(01:20:34):
to show how tough he was and telling people you
better get your guns. You know, a gun. You're not serious,
You're serious revolutionary And you know, there's a often quoted story,
you know, he was saying all this crazy stuff at
a conference where Fred Hampton was and Fred Hampton and
he was trying to get everyone to go to Chicago

(01:20:54):
to to put on you know, football helmets and fight
the cops. And at Hampton said you're a motherfucking masochist
and punched him in the face, and so, you know,
it just people just didn't take him seriously at that
point one, even though he was a damn good organizer
before he got so into the acid, and he was
very inspiring in a great you know, STS chapter leader

(01:21:17):
at Columbia until we kind of into the acid when
people started thinking he was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Very interesting. He was gonna had some comments to stay
on the show. It was very We talked about it
a little bit. He came on here and started saying
he supported Obama because he was a cool black guy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
That's absurd.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Very He may seem like a cool black guy, that's fine,
but what's he doing office? You know, it's ridiculous. Yeah,
that's too bad that he's saying like that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Yeah. I forget what the other comment too was, but
it was just very very It was kind of a
hostile interview towards the end.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
That's too bad. Yeah, I know, as nice as I
can be, I rarely met a nicer interviewer in Thank.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
You very much. Well, you know, we agree pretty much
on everything.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Oh my god, Okay, so now what did you come
up with the did you look into the Iran contract
kind of stuff like that and all?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I had to put the Iran
conscious stuff in there. I mean because basically George Bush Senior.
You know, it wasn't exactly the same situation as Dick
Cheney and George Bush Junior, but it was similar because
Ronald Reagan didn't like to work, and he wasn't a
direct you know, he was a puppet of the oligarchs,
but he wasn't a family member of the oligarks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
He was married to a Communist. Don't forget. I wasn't
Nancy Davis. Yeah, the story was is that she met
Nancy Davis, met Nancy Reagan, you know, met Ronald Reagan
because in the Screen Actors Guild she was being portrayed
as she was being pinned as a communist. So she
went to the head of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan,
and said, hey, it's a different Nancy Davis. So he

(01:23:01):
got off the list and he went to McCarthy's. No, no,
it's a different Nancy Davis. But then later on they
went looking for the other Nancy Davis. She doesn't exist.
There was a commie sleeping in the White House for
many years, eight years under Ronald Reagan, under the sheets
in the Lincoln bedroom.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah. Well yeah, people say that who was it Hinckley
that shot Ray? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they say Hinckley's dad
or I think it was his dad that was having
dinner with the Bushes at around that same time that
he shot that the sun shot Reagan.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Yeah, and yeah, Hanklington was involved in that World Vision
Christian group, the Missionary group. There were also that Mark
Davin Chapman was involved in. Yeah, there's there's an ample
evidence there, you know, and also to Jodie Forster's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
In the mix, you know, right with some strange stuff.
But basically, I mean the Bush family is you know,
of course connected to the oligarchs, the drug trafficking, oligarchs
of the Rockefellers, Carnegie is Harreman's. You know, it was
Brown Brothers Harriman that was funding the Nazis during you know,
the rise of the Nazis and with the eugenics movement

(01:24:08):
and during World War Two. And Prescott Bush was president
of Brown Brothers Harriman. You know, it was kind of
one of the figurehead, but he was the president while
Brown Brothers Harriman that his families were the main people
that owned it all. But so they go way back
and Bush descendants, you know, of course, Bush Senior and
Bush Junior are all just you know, part of that

(01:24:29):
network that Olive quirky.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yeah, and don't forget Marvin Bush and Neil Bush. You know,
just the amount of theft in that family.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Oh, unbelievable, Serrato and all that crap.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Yeah, and even like the death of Marvin Bush's housekeeper.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Yeah, I haven't heard about that one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Oh and and she died in front of his home
because she ran over herself in her own car.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Okay, okay, yeah. But Bush Senior was you know, he
was had the CIA in nineteen seventy six and under
Reagan he was running he was considered the you know,
running the National Security Council, and so he was running
the Iran contra operations, the drug trafficking, the gun running

(01:25:13):
to the contras against the Sandinistas and all that. He
was the point person. And you know, and Clinton, of
course was president of Arkansas at the time when a
lot of the trafficking of cocaine was coming through Mina, Arkansas.
That's where I think it was Barry Seal's plane was caught,
and so they had an operation going coming through Mina,

(01:25:36):
and a lot of people say that Clinton had to
know it was all going on because it was just
so much going on there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Yeah, So first it was the DA then it was
the state attorney general, and then he was the governor.
So yeah, there's no way this could have gone on
under his nose, you know, every because a lot of
people know about the Barry Steel actually had a whole
airport there where he did a airplane repairs and and
uh yeah, there's no way that that could have gone
on without the ding.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Yeah. So that's how you know, Clinton being connected, That's
how you know. So ma of the operations, the operations
against cobaine and TUPAC during Clinton years could happen. He's
you know, he's compromised. He's connected, and he's compromised, you know.
I mean there's some good things that happened under Clinton too,
like those hearings I told you about with that counselor
and those m kilture victims, but of course there was

(01:26:28):
also a lot of bad things around that. And uh
and I you know, I showed the evidence that you know,
they were just getting they were trafficking the cocaine into
the country, as Gary Webb pointed out, but they're also
directing them into the black communities. And as a drug
and alcohol councer, it's just it's so obvious, it's so
it's so incredibly directed into the black communities. Now it

(01:26:50):
seems to be spray. Of course it spreads into the
white community is a bit, but I think that that
appears to be more collateral damage. But you know, of
course they're using it. They were more targeting the white
communities with the weed and the acid and off, but
it seemed like the heroine, the cocaine was more directed
towards the black communities. And there's a lot of evidence
to you know, to support that that show. I show

(01:27:12):
the research and the findings about that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Yeah, very interesting too that when when Bush Junior came
into office, the first foreign leader that came to visit
was a Vincente Fox from Mexico, you know, And and
all the smuggling went from Florida and Columbia through Mexico,
and it's just suddenly one day it all just switched,
you know, and just went through Mexico, you know. But
you know, no one knows why, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Yeah, well, you know, one of the most interesting things
about all that smuggling of the cocaine from Latin America
is the fact that we were using Nazi assets down
there to do a lot of that trafficking. The you know,
Claus butcher leand Barbie was you know, helped He's the
one that was credited with helping the CIA killed she

(01:27:58):
Gavera back in nineteen sixty seven. He worked with the
cocaine trafficking drug lords to overthrow what they had what
they called the cocaine Coup in nineteen eighty in Bolivia,
and they actually planted a Nazi flag on a mountaintop
and they have a picture of that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Co Production quarterly and so he had a colony. He
hit a Nazi colony in Bolivia, and there was a
similar Nazi colony in Chile. New York Times Talked had
a surprisingly extensive article in that Nazi colony in Chile
that had a was a Nazi doctor that started that colony,

(01:28:38):
and they said that they had a country's worth of arms.
They also had a country's an intelligence community's worth of
files on leaptusts because that's that was the center of
Operation Condor. It was coming out. It was like their
own country within a country. They had their own airspace

(01:28:59):
that that Chile was not allowed to fly over even
though it was inside the country. You know that it
was huge, and some of what they were doing were
m culture operations inside the colony. All they used a
lot of their blonde hair, blue eyed kids for sex
parties and would frame and the trap a lot of

(01:29:20):
politicians with these sex parties. It was really incredible stuff.
But they actually had none of these German colonies in
various of these countries where they would, you know, where
the thousands of Nazis that they harbored that started them
started these communities.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
It's so fascinating that that these elites, they will use
their own kids, they put their own kids up for
sale and they throw them out to the wolves.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know about the elites here
as much I do know. You know, I just read
that evidence about what was happening, and you know, as
I say, in the Latin American German colonies. But yeah,
I've I've heard some of that here too. I just
don't know as much about it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Okay, real quick, let's take another break, another formaute break.
We're here with John Potash drugs as weapons against US,
the CIA's murderous targeting of SDS, Panthers, Hendrix, Lennon Cobain, TUPAC,
and others. Don't forget his old book, the first book
the FBI wore on TUPAC, Shicor and Black leaders. US
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(01:30:26):
Molly Rappers and linked ethnic leftists. And that first book,
by the way, was a groundbreaking book. It was the
first book to really come out about how the whole
wrap industry is under surveillance by FBI and cointelpro and
all kind of infiltration and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Yeah, that was that was a groundbreaking book. So we'll
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(01:35:49):
intelligence is murderous targeting of Tupac, MLK, Malcolm Panthers, Hendrix Marley,
Rappers and linked ethnic leftists. His new book that just
came out. I think I'm one of the first guys
to get him on the show on the air to
interview him about this new book. Is John Pottish Drugs
as weapons against US? The CIA's murderous targeting of STS, Panthers,

(01:36:11):
Hendrix Lennon, Cobain, Tupac and other leftists? John, what do
you have on the Wu Tang Clan? Because I'm from
stan Allen, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Yeah, it was an interesting thing about Wu Tang clan
when The Village Voice had a cover article and then
where they said they revealed that a a mafia guy
named I think his name is Michael Caruso. Okay, had
become a agent like I'm an undercover agent four the

(01:36:43):
behind the ATF and been inserted as a manager for
two of the members of the Wu Tang clan.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
And so this is this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Actually he had already been charged with high level ecstasy trafficking. Okay,
this guy was a serious ecstasy dealer, held raves around
New York, getting ecstasy all over the place, but also
sold in bulk around And the interesting history of ecstasy
is the fact that it was an mkulture drug and

(01:37:16):
the head of Chemical and Biological Warfare in the apartheid
regime era of South Africa was you know, it was
ordering his assistant to manufacture a ton of ecstasy and
then was distributing in the black community in South Africa.
And I show studies that you know, ecstasy causes some

(01:37:37):
brain damage, it causes memory problems, it causes long term depression.
You know, it's not just the fun party drug that
people think it is. It's it's got some serious problems.
And so here, you know, I showed the evidence that
that was just one case and there was a number
of other cases where federal agent were infiltrating groups and

(01:38:02):
actually being part of spreading ecstasy and trying to get
rappers and rap groups and rap labels to promote ecstasy.
And so it's just one other case of you know,
drugs and weapons against this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Yeah, very interesting because ecstasy does get great press.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's the harmless drug. It's not addictive. Oh,
it's the love drug, you know. And and also back
to the Wu Tang clan, I could take a couple
of stories about that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
He instantly fired him when they when they read that article.
Really yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, And they were actually
very politically connected. Their their producer was Sonny Carson. It's
a black liberation movement leader. And odbs uh Ob one
of the lead singers. You know, his brother was a

(01:38:54):
serious activist, was a co producer with Sonny Carson, and uh,
you know as Sonny Carson was revered in the Brooklyn
black community as a black liberation leader.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Yeah, definitely. Senate Carson is Okay, another guy I knew
though that that worked for Wu Tang had a long
history of being a police informant and I personally know this,
and but also too, I believe he was killed just
recently in the past. Companies I've been trying to track
him down. But yeah, but also to Method Man, I

(01:39:29):
listened to that. It's an interesting story. Method Man came
to my business in Staten Island and the only ID
card that he had on him, the only ID was
an ID card as being a patient from South Beach
Beach Psychiatric Center.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
This y.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Yeah, he was somehow released from there or something, and
that was the only ID card that he had on him.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
I don't know what to make of that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
I don't know either, but it just goes to show
you the amount of tration. Yeah, from all angles and
all different levels, you know, like even even a little
guy that's in there just doing a T shirts and
stuff like that. It is a long time well known
Staten Island inform it, you know, but but managed to
whirl his way in there. What do you make along

(01:40:17):
the same pattern, what do you make of Al Sharpton
and his whole business with the being an FBI and
being involved in the allegedly negotiating some coke deals and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
No, I can't say I knew that much about Sharpton,
sorry to say.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Okay, yeah, I just did a big show about him
as well with his FBI connections because he worked under
cover for the FBI for a very long time. During
that whole period of time with the whole Tawana Brawley
thing was going on, he was making you can look
it up on the Smoking Gun and all the FBI
docs are there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
But the only problem with that is, yeah, I mean
I could I heard some of that, and I can
believe some of that. But the Toronto Brawley case, I
was living in Brooklyn around the TI time, like right
after that some of that stuff happened, and when the
when the trial was going on, and so I think

(01:41:09):
it was called Our Time Press, which was a small
black press, a newspaper in Brooklyn, they interviewed a black
police detective who sat in on the whole trial and
he just, you know, just went over the whole trial.
Verbatim gave all the evidence that was presented at that
trial and that it turns out that that was a

(01:41:31):
very high level UH sexual assault and cover up according
to his testimony of what went on, what was uncovered
at that trial involving Twana Brawley, I mean, those people
that did that to her were very well connected, They
were very high level and when one of them was threatened,
when one of them was id'd and threatened to uh,

(01:41:53):
you know, telling the others. He was shot and killed.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Yeah, I'm very I talk about all that good. Yeah,
all yeah, very familiar with that case. But who was
the handler?

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
You know? Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Yeah, yeah, so because the case went nowhere, you know,
and Sharpton was working for the FBI. Sharpton was working
seriously for the FBI. He had a phone installed in
his home that was only to be used for FBI
setups and deals, and many, many cases against the organized
crime were made due to Sharpton's undercover work for the FBI.

(01:42:29):
This guy was working from the time he got up, yeah,
until all day long for the FBI during that period
of time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
I know it was that extensive. I heard about some
of his work, but I know he went that got
that extensive.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Yeah, you got to go in there because yeah, because
it's played down, you know, but you got to go
in and all the docs are on there on the
Smoking Gun. They did a great job on this. They
won't come on the show for some reason and talk
about it, like a lot of people don't want to
talk about it. And also the Village Voice did a
whole bunch of series of great articles to about Sharpton
about how the GOP controlled his whole campaign and short

(01:43:04):
do you know that Sharpton was responsible for bringing Coreta
Scott King to the Bush Republican National Convention. I didn't
know that, Yeah, and it was it was a payoff
because he endorsed Pataki, he endorsed Tomato. Sharpton's a real
character man. Yeah, how he's go oh yeah, the Village Voyd,

(01:43:28):
there's a series of Village Voice articles on Sharpton. Uh,
and then the smoking gun investigation on Sharpton. It's just great,
great work. But I can't get any of those people
to come on the show and talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
It's too bad.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
It is it is because I think that needs to
be exposed. But I totally agree with you're about the
Tauanta that there's a lot more went on there that
was covered up because even the man who won the lawsuit,
the defamation lawsuit, his girlfriend was an FBI agent who
interviewed Tawana m and a ton of stuff in that case.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Yeah, it's amazing. I didn't know what to believe about
Twana brawl at the time until I read all that evidence.
You know, But when Spike Lee's you know, said in
his movie Do the Right Thing. He had a graffiti
and Walsa and Twana told the truth, you know, and
I thought, well, maybe maybe there's more to it, but
I didn't know until I read all that evidence, isn't
it you know?

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Interesting too with the man who was selling the Lucy
cigarettes and Staten Allen that got choked to death, Eric
garneryea Eric Garner. Okay, Uh. There are other videos of
that murder that are in circulation, and Spike Lee has

(01:44:43):
those videos. He has them in his possession and I
tried to get them from him, and first they said
they would send them to me. Then they wanted this
soul shenanigans andag with some of the facts and all
that kind of stuff back and forth with them that
they won't release it to me. But there there are
long h this five other videos of that murder. Oh god, yeah, yeah.

(01:45:04):
And what do you have about the occupy. There's a
whole bunch of stuff in him in the Young the
Young Lords, which was uh the Heralda rivera group Latin
Kings which was a kingtone and occupy movement. What do
you have on those of the stories.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Yeah, Well, The Young Lords were the Latino version of
the Black Panthers, and you know, Heraldo Rivera was doing
you know, I don't know what he was doing in them,
but they were basically doing real good activist work in
the Latino community. The head of the person founded the
Young Lords, who'se. A. Chat Shaw, Jim Andez, actually was

(01:45:39):
sent to uh shadow Bobby Seal for a month to
learn everything he did and to learn how to found
the same kind of activist group in you know, amongst
the Latino community. And so they were doing great activist
work for a while before that. You know, he was
framed when you know, marijuana possession charges, and they used

(01:46:01):
other means to take them down with drugs, but they
stayed active, a lot of them, and they some of them,
like Vincent Panama Alba, who I talked to in New York,
influenced King Tone of the Latin Kings to lead the
whole group to give up drug dealing and turn into
activist activists. And the Columbia University Press book published book,

(01:46:26):
you know, just documents the conversion of the Latin Kings
into activism and how you know, how three thousand of
them gave up drug dealing and gave up you know,
any kind of criminal behavior to do that. But then
that you know show evertskiped King Tone was actually framed
for continuing conspiracy to deal drugs after that. And but

(01:46:48):
that was a huge thing against US intelligence because when
you get it was part of the Black Panther you know,
movement to get the bloods and crips to call peace,
truss and stop and turn into activists. That happened in
California and spread across the country and Tupac Shakor was

(01:47:08):
part of that. And so that was a reason that
US Intelligence and CIA particularly targeted Tupac was that there
were Tupac and the Black Black Panther extended family were
costing them billions of dollars in lost revenue from the
drugs and lost revenue and the money laundering which you

(01:47:29):
know props up stock the stock values. And so that
I just show there's there's some intricacies which I can't
go into detail. One right now you can see in
the book of how that works with the money laundering
and the propping of stock values. But it's that showed,
you know, a reason why the CIA would take particular

(01:47:52):
notice of what Tupac was doing to get rid of him.
But I argue that they first try to manipulate Tupac
with death rerec when he said he was going to
give up smoking weed because he thought he'd grown, you
developed an addiction death row fedom weed all the time,
and then towards the end of his life, witnesses said
that he wasn't drinking or smoking weed at parties for

(01:48:13):
hours when everyone else was drinking and smoking weed. But
he was also of course getting getting away from death
for records when he was murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Investing King tone, is he still in prison right now?

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Now? I think he's out of prison now. I think
he finally got out of prison, So I think he's
doing some decent activists work now. But I've heard they
did everything they possibly could to splinter the Latin Kings
and not, you know, not lett him be as effective
as he was earlier on before prison.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
Yeah, I believe they're totally destroyed at this point. But
also to the charges against him in that drug conspiracy
was that he was providing security outside of a hotel
door room and there was a drug deal going on
inside the hotel dorm where that that kind of stuff
goes on all the time, man, with all professional pinkutins

(01:49:11):
do that kind of stuff, you know, and uh and
no one gets chargeets gets the kind of charges he
got in that case.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Yeah, that's interesting. I haven't heard that that you know,
much detail that you just heard because I talked to
him before he got framed and sent back to jail.
Really yeah, but after yeah, after he got framed and
sent back to jail. I talked to one of his mentors,
but I just I didn't get every little detail of
how they framed him.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to get him on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
That's a guy with a real life you know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Yeah, yeah, it would be interesting. There's another guy. One
of his mentors who I interviewed, talked to back in
the mid nineties was Hector Torres. He's he's a guy
you might go together on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Too, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do because that's that
deserves a show, though the Imperial Latin Kings deserves a
show for sure. You to get this stuff on record. Yeah,
and the whole Young Lord's thing. Man, It's it's funny
how so many people came out of there, like Healdo Rivera.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
Yeah, Wine Gonzalez, you know, who's on Democracy Now and
calumnist for the New York Daily News. He's been doing
pretty good work since then. I think he's a good
good man, good activity. You know. Of course he's gotten
a little more mainstream, but overall still doing work.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Philippe, Louisiana and both of them, they all came out
of there. They all came out of and got media jobs.
If you notice.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Oh yeah, right, right, one of them started. I think
the Eurokan Poet's.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Cafe, Is that right, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
I'm pretty sure one of them did. They've been Louisiana,
but I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Yeah, because I grew up in the Bronx. All right, right, yeah, okay, Well,
we're coming to the end of our show. We got
about nine minutes left. If you want to hang out
a little longer, you know, you're always welcome, Yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Know, yeah, I'd love people to call in and answer
and ask questions. But what do you think about Abby
Hoffin and the Yppies since you you kind of knew
some of them?

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Yeah, well, yeah, when I when I hooked up with
the Yippies, Abbey was still on the Liam you might say, right,
for a coke deal, you know, okay, and uh, you
know he had His lawyer was a Gerald left Court
that I've worked with him on other cases. Yeah, he
did good work at the time. He was great. You
know who he's defending right now, Jeffrey Epstein in this
a pedal case with this guy, Jeffrey Essten shame. I know, yeah,

(01:51:27):
because that's a you know, let me ask you a question,
what Laurier would you turn to today? What lawyers do
we have right now today? Civil rights lawyer like counsulor,
like Koobie, like Left Court. We don't have anybody like
that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
Well, Michael Krief Warren was a Tubakshakor's lawyer and he
was the European spokesperson for the Moomiabu Jamal campaign. He
I talked to him a few years ago last I
know he was sick, but I think he was. He
sounded healthy enough, so I don't know he's one, but yeah,
Joki La Mumba was a great He was a national
lawyer for TUPAC and was the head of the New

(01:52:00):
African People's Organization. He won that Meryl you know campaign
in Jackson, Mississippi, and was actually beloved in Jackson before
he died just a year or so ago.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
I don't know if the other lawyers out there I agree,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
But but back to Abbie Hoffman, you're right at the
end of his life, you know he was struggling with.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Drugs, was he?

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Because I thought actually that he got in Queen and
Silber and he wrote that book, Steal This Urine Test.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
I don't know what the timing of that book is,
but I know when he came to do uh, I
saw it in my own eyes. You know, when he
was doing appearances for a New York public interest research group,
the Nightperg, you know, the environmental group. Yeah, he was
out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
He was too bad.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
Yeah, in public, right in front of doing snorting stuff
right in front of us.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
Well, you know, his first hit of acid came from
an MK ulture scientists. Really yeah, and uh, at that point,
they said, one biograph biographer said, you know, Abby hoffmanhatti
and spoked weed. At that point, he was married yet
kids because him and his wife were both very serious
activists doing great work up in Massachusetts, and the n
gulch of scientists got him using acid. And you know,

(01:53:13):
his wife couldn't take all his drug use after that,
and uh, you know, kind of divorced him then, and
he moved he actually I think I don't know she
divorced him first or he left her first, but he
left his wife and kids in Massachusetts, moved down to
you know, uh these the village, you know, New York
City and starts to the Yppies. But I think he

(01:53:35):
was manipulated from then on. I think he did some
good activists work, but he was also somewhat manipulated to
promote acid because you know that levitating the Pentagon was
of course ridiculous, and it was funded by the Melon
Hitchcocks who funded Leary's group. So I think it was manipulating.
And then when he you know, he sobered up a
little bit, you know, they watched him a little more closely, and.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
It's just a shame, yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
But what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
You want to organize, you want to you know, be
an activist. You need funding, you know, and money comes in.
You know, at first you say, okay, find the money's
coming in, you know, but you don't question, and then
before you know it, you're being maneuvered.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
Well, it's one thing you know, it's one thing where
you get the money from, and it's another thing what
you do with the money. So to Wold of protest
about levitating the Pentagon, it's just ridiculous. It's just, you know,
one of those kind of absurd things. And know, he
did some good stuff in terms of like the dropping
the cash in Wall Street. That was a good theatrical gesture,
you know, kind of like theater protest type stuff, and

(01:54:35):
it's fine street theater stuff. But it's just like the
promoting acid all over the place. You know, he just
he was just such a huge promoter of acid, and
the Yippies were so infiltrated. Yeah, you're semi undercover agents.
You know, George generally with his craziest group, and Bob
Pearson was a bodyguard for the one of the other
top yippies. What's up you guy's name off the top

(01:54:57):
of my head. But you know, it's just there was
a lot of undercourageents and Yippies and I think they
were you know, manipulating Hoffmann and his partners a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Yeah, it really is fascinating to see how much infiltration
there is. And uh, even on one occasion I told
the story before this, one guy was accused of being
a KGB agent. And then when I talked to him
about it later on, he admitted to me, Yeah, he
did get funding from the from the Russian embassy really yeah,
and he said it was for his poetry. They sent

(01:55:31):
them a stipend for his poetry. That's what it's all about,
I know. And and but the thing is there's so
many double agents, yeah, and informants and people with open
cases that you know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
Yeah, but I do want people to understand when I
talk about them manipulating. You know, these people that were
using acid in the government documents, they say that that's
one of their goals is to use LSD to manipulate people.
So you know, is they can tell they think that
once they're using it, you know, once people use acid,
there is more easily to easy to manipulate them.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
Yeah. Yeah, that's probably true. And it's a it's amazing
so many people today in the in the truth movement
or the awake community, you know, whatever it is you
want to call it, promote acid and promote marijuana. Yeah yeah,
well the weed.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
I I don't you know, I'm not as I don't
have as strong of an opinion about but the acid.
It's a real shame because if they're in there in
the truth community promoting acid, they're doing m culture work
really right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
Yeah, so so there's really as far as you yeah,
there can be no benefit, no or not.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
I mean, they probably don't know it. They're doing culture work,
but yeah, some know it and some may it just
may not know it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
But the other thing too is that they may not
know it. But if they're there, they're just moseying along
here and they can smoke pot all day long and
drop acid all day long. They don't have to work.
Some of their funding comes in from somewhere you know,
you know, because you know me, I'm struggling, man.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
Yeah, a lot of us, at least a lot of
us activists can't do this for a living. And we
can't do this writing for a living. Yeah, you have
to do other work and do the activism on the side.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Okay, we'll only got a couple of minutes before we
drop Talk Superstation and PSN, but we have another hour
on a wake radio network all over Europe and the
echoes on YouTube too. By the way, if you're listening
on speaker, I'm going to drop that speaker show and
start a new speaker show called after Shows. You can
pick it up there, but with John Potash, the author
of Drugs as Weapons against Us, the CIA's murderous targeting

(01:57:35):
of SDS, Panthers, Hendrix, Lennon Cobain, Tupac, and other Leftists,
and his original book the first book was the the
FBI War on Tupac, Shakor and Black Leaders. US intelligence
is murderous target targeting of Tupac, MLK, Malcolm Panthers, Hendricks,
Marley Rappers and linked ethnic leftists. So we only got

(01:57:56):
about a minute left. If people want to get a
hold of you, you know, to do interview or buy
a book for you directly on autograph book, what do
they do?

Speaker 3 (01:58:04):
Yeah, they can just contact me through my website, John
Podash dot com. They can you know, message me and
it comes to in my email. I tried to try
to shop the book one there, but you can't. Really,
I can't do that just yet. I will be able
to do that within a week or so. But they
can message me, and I can message them, you know,

(01:58:26):
I can email them back or message them back just
saying you know, here's how you can buy the book
directly for me if you want. But it's available on
Amazon dot com. It's available, and you can go to
Barnes and Noble and order it and get the book
within two to four days to your Barnes and Noble.
Hopefully some of the Barnes and Nobles are carrying it.
But if they're not carrying it, you can just ord
to that store and take a look at it first

(01:58:46):
before you buy it. Supisly be you know, it's supissed
to be sold in Books a Million and also but
and independent bookstores are hopefully carrying it. We'll see, but
Books a Million, it takes a lot longer to order it,
they say. Nonetheless, hopefully some of them are carrying it.
And you know, as I said, I support independent bookstores
and I hope they carry it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
Do you have any appearances coming up running radio shows
or anything doing.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
Yeah, thanks for bringing that up. Sure, And I am
appearing at Blue Stockings Bookstore and Cafe in New York
City one June twelfth at seven pm. I'll be showing
a short film thirty to forty minutes, probably forty minutes,
just just kind of like a condensation of what the
books about and all, and just to precede me, you know,

(01:59:33):
talking a little more about the book and doing a
question and answer. And since we're doing a radio interview
in Baltimore with the Morgan State professor who was working
for Pacific A Radio for a while. I think he
still is named Jared Ball good Man. We've done talks
with before, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
Okay, very cool. We'll be right back with the after
show after these messages.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
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