John S Captain: Tiffany Jenks Mind Control Theory

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are back with a previous guest. We're doing part two
of our show. We recently had on John s Captain

(02:29):
who's from Portland, Oregon.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Portland, right, John, Yes, sir, And we did.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Two hours with John. We taped it the other day
and John's over in China, So for him right now,
it's like one o'clock in the morning and for me
right now it's like eight o'clock in the morning. And
so we covered a lot of material. We covered were
spanning the globe with Johina's cap. We covered a lot
of material last time on the death and mysterious circumstances

(02:57):
around the death of Tiffany Jenks, who was his girlfriend.
And basically she came down on a flight one night
from Pendleton, Oregon to Portland. She went to John's house,
then she went to a bar. She ran into these
three people. She met up with, these three characters who
had just flown into the town themselves from Oakland and

(03:18):
from Washington State. They lorded to a park, shot her
in the head, and then they got a pretty good
deal for their sentence. John, I want to answer you
a couple more questions quickly about the night of the murder.

(03:40):
One thing is you described by the way to the
people need to listen to the first show first, otherwise
you're not gonna understand what we're talking about here. You
mentioned in the last show that they had abused a child,
that sexually molested a child in the motel room that night,
But in the newspaper accounts I can't find that.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yes, you will find that every single thing that did
really happen, you don't find in the police reports or
any information that was given to the public.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
That's part of the cover up.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
And out of my one hundred facts to this case,
I would say ninety percent of them are not told
to the public.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And so in terms of the.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
In terms of the child molestation charges, Joshua Robinette, who
was Tiffany's co killer, did get charged in the molestation
of the child. However, the mother did not now how
that all transpired. Was the shooter who's Daniel Burnell said,

(04:51):
when they got back to the hotel after murdering Tiffany,
he witnessed them the cup Michelle having sex with child
in their bed. And so how the mother didn't get
charged with that, I have no idea, But the police
report depositions of Daniel Burnell in California show that he

(05:14):
said he got sick because he couldn't believe they're must
in the child.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, yeah, that doesn't turn up in any reporting whatsoever.
Another question, I had it, but it's then they were
charged with that crime. The Joshua was charged with that crime.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Correct, child molestation of her daughter. But they don't. They
did never tie the crimes together. It's like celebrating a
murder with the child molestation.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Kind of odd.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, Now, did anybody know she was coming that night
from Pendleton to Portland on that plane floor?

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, oddly enough, I had gotten a series of emails.
There's a photo of that on my Facebook page at
johnis Captain. And in that series of emails it's posted
on my photos page, it says I have my I'll
see you at nine, and then followed by some other
strange ones like I'm going to kill you in all

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capital letters.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
So I knew she was coming.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I didn't know exactly from where, And I mean she
lived her family lived in Burns, Oregon, but I don't
believe she had contact with them. In fact, her mother
said she hadn't seen her in months at least after
the death what she told me. But as far as
coming from Pelton, I don't know who all knew that,
other than the fact that.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
She told me she was coming to see me.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Okay, do we know when she bought that ticket?

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, oddly enough, in the police report, it says that
she purchased ticket upon arrival.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I said to the DA, well, that's got to be
the first.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Time in the history of America that somebody could purchase
a ticket on arrival. But according to police reports, it
says Tiffany Jenks purchased her one way ticket at the
airport upon her arrival.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Really thought, well, that's weird. Well, perhaps she was how
to be a mistake. Well, maybe she purchased a return ticket.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
They meant no, No, it was specific. It was a
one way ticket, and they had to have.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Made a mistake because nobody could buy a ticket after
they arrived.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, you didn't ask anybody about that, anybody about that.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
No, you could read and I can send to you
the complete police report of the arrests, but there you
will find that not one single thing makes sense.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
And there's nobody to ask because.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Nobody's gonna answer any questions for you. At least not
in this group anyways.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
See, the thing is, though, I read a lot of
police reports, and that their rife with errors and mistakes,
all kinds of crazy. Yes, you'll have two reports and
they say the crime happened in the kitchen and another
report says happened in the bedroom, and all the witnesses,
you know, given different rooms.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Wow, I've never read one before other than going to
college for criminology, but I will say that there the
entire police report that was written for the arrest warrant
for the killers was.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Actually about me, and so, uh it was, you know,
kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Now also too, I was I gonna ask you just
just lift my mind.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yeah, And so basically, you know, you have you have
the police reports that are written saying that Tiffany came
from Pendleton to come see me.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
And eventually she then did.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Come to see me, right, which is fine, but uh,
you know whether or not other people knew she was
coming there. I know her mother knew she was coming
to see me, because her mother told me right after
the murder.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, Tiffany said she was coming to see you.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
But then on the other hand, her own sister, Jennifer
said We had no idea where she was or why
she was way out there.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
All we knew was she had the abusive.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Ex boyfriend, and so it was clear early on that
there was conflicting reports, even from her own family.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
What about all her friends that you're in contact with,
did any of them know she was coming since you've
been talking to them since.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
This Well, I don't know any of her friends, and
the ones that I did know, they never told me
a word about anything at all, and they have basically
not said one single thing in.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Support of the facts of this case.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Now, when she flew down from a Pendleton to Portland
that night, was her plan to return back to Pendleton
or to leave Portland? Where was she going to stay
that night?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Well, I don't know her plans because I'm but hindsight
twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I know that she came to my house and then
later went to a hotel room to get a room
after that, But.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
No, she left my house telling me that she was
going to die, right, and so basically you know, I
mean she she was going to die that night. But
in terms of her plans, there's some made up story
that she was going to leave on vacation to go
to the UK or something to that effect. But I've
never seen any evidence supporting that.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
So I asked these questions because if these three the
three killers, you look at their there, what they did?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
You know?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
They come down into town, they check into a room,
they deface these weapons, you know, and then they leave
right away and they go to another hotel. You know,
they bring some guy from Oakland, California. It looks like
this was a planned assassination on the part of those three.
But how would they know she was going to be
there that night?

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Well, first of all, they knew because they were all
in contact. And second of all, and I don't know
that to be true. I'm just psych saying duh, But
you're right one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I mean, the probability.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
That Tiffany didn't know she was going to die as
zero because she told me, she told the bartender, and
she told her therapists, all three of.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Us, and none of that played out in the court.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
But you have a person here with Tiffany that she
knows they're going to kill her.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
But she still goes to die. And I think that's
the part that people need to get.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
There's no frame of mind other than what I'm claiming
to be true, which is that Tiffany was a victim
of mind control. There's no person on earth that would say,
I'm going to go die. Talk to you later, because
they're going to kill me. I'm going to go. You
would have stopped the action of going, if you're a

(11:31):
normal human being. She was crying, and she said to me,
I'm not going to die tonight, So she.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Was fully aware that it was.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
And she looked down at the ground while she said it,
shaking her head like as if as if she was
battling the thought.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
And I said to her, why are you leaving? What
are you doing?

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Why don't you just stay here? But she had to
go whatever reason she had. And I thought she met
from drinking alcohol when she said she was going to die,
I didn't know she meant from a gunshop. But she
then went to the bar and told the bartender that
night her life was over as well. And so how
do you go from telling a bartender your life is

(12:10):
over to actually walking outside to the bar to go die.
And I mean, you're only talking about a fifteen minute
timeline between the time in when she's talking to the
bartender and she actually had met her killers.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Now that was a strip club, well it was a.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Bar on one side, the strip club on the other.
But it doesn't even matter because Tiffany just went there.
That's just the location in which they met. Tiffany walked
outside the hotel, walked to the bar, had two drinks,
told the bartender her life was over, and walked outside
to meet her killers. There's no possible way any normal
human being would have done this.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Did she have a work at that bar as a stripper?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Never? Never, of course, not no, okay?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Was it common?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
She never danced or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Was it common then for women to go and sit
in that bar because some strip clubs.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
I don't know, because I don't go to that bar,
and I don't know. You know, there's two sides to
that bar. There's a bar bar. I think it was
more common that she was planning to meet these people,
And clearly the evidence shows, I mean, I have recordings
of Tiffany talking to her killer, Joshua Robinette, and so
there's not a question she knew she was meeting these

(13:22):
people there. And the notion that this random is not
humanly possible.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Now like here in Vegas, you got some strip clubs
where it's common for women to attend. Had she ever
been to that.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Bar before, I don't know that she's never been there.
I didn't know she'd have been there, and I had
never went there with her or knew.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
But I think that what happened was is that there
was probably some texting and communications going on between her
and the killers, because she was at my house earlier,
say eleven, and telling me that she's going to get killed,
and they show up at twelve twelve something, She shows
up at twelve something, They go outside at one forty
and she goes outside at one forty three, And so

(14:10):
it's if you look at the timeline of events.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
They did every action that equalled her reaction.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
So she showed up, they showed up, she went outside,
They went outside, you know, according to police reports. So
it was like, you know, hey, Ed, I'm going to
meet you at the bar. Okay, where are you at
while I'm over here? Okay, I'll meet you outside.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
So now we meet outside, and time by time by
time they all matched. There are times of arrivals, her
time of meeting them outside and that sort of thing,
and you're talking within two minute difference. It wasn't like
Tiffany was outside smoking by herself, and an hour went
by and then these people just kind of mosied on

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around and talked to her. She went outside, and they
went outside at the exact same time, according to police reports.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now, you said she would she confide it in the
bar bartendan that she was going to be murdered, But
she had just met that bartender that ninety I had
the impression that she kind of knew that bartender and
when you told me the story last time, so she
had just met that I.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Don't know for sure if she knew him before.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I just know that they were talking for maybe forty
minutes before her killers arrived, because they arrived at that
bar at some point, and there's two sides to the bar,
and so she arrived and then they arrived. But the
problem was they arrived at the wrong bar, so they
went next door. But what we do know is is
that when she told the bartender her life was over,

(15:33):
and then she left outside and she was outside at
one forty three. They were outside at one forty one
right now.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
But so it was like, you know equal you know
this because you spoke to the bartender.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Well that I know this because he texted me and
emailed me the facts.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
But it was also in.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
The the one of the foyer requests that I had got,
and it proved that it said that his name is
James Newland. He told me, he said, Tiffany told me.
She said my life is over. That was his exact words.

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He turned around, she was gone and she had gone outside.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Now is this like a loud bar or is it
like a was it busy?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I would tend to believe it's a pretty loud bar.
It was a weekday, so but I don't think it
was overly busy.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
But he turned around and she was gone, and you know,
I think about ten minutes had lapse. He turned around
and she was already gone outside. But what I think
what's important to note is that all along in the
story you'll get the police story. For instance, they said
that they all went bar hopping. Well they didn't go

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to one single hop because Tiffany was by herself, right,
she never was inside the bar with her killers, according
to all reports I've ever seen, but except the police
claim that they all went bar hopping, and so that
wasn't true. Tiffany went outside at one forty three and
at two eleven am they all drove away in the car.

(17:10):
And so there's a big discrepancy in terms of what
really happened about the overall concepts what the police was saying.
Tiffany did not bar hop with these people at all.
She went there to die. She walked outside at one
forty three she met her killers, and at two eleven
I drove away.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Two quick questions for you. One is did she have
any money on her when she came from Penalton? How
much money does.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
She have money?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
I don't know, but I do know that she made
two attempts at her ATM and it declined her.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Oh really.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
She also charged sixty four dollars twice for drinks, which
I found odd and I've asked several times how that's possible,
you know, for by herself. But she had two approved
charges at the bar for sixty four dollars and fifty
cents each time. But she also tried to use the
ATM for two hundred and one dollars twice it declined.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Okay, And that's based police report.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
The at the was the ATM at a bank or
was it one of those ATM machines inside the strip club.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yes, inside the club.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Okay, now uh okay, Now, she she came from Pendleton,
she arrived at your home, and the intention was that
she was going to stay at your home until you
found a couple of beers in her purse. Am I right?

Speaker 4 (18:27):
I don't know what her intentions were because I never
really got that from her initial text to me that
I have my bass I'll see you at nine, I
don't know what. I didn't know what that meant, and
I was outside working, and so it all just kind
of developed that night. Once I poured her beers out,
it was clear she was leaving, and at some point
shortly after that she asked me to call her cabin,

(18:48):
which I did.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Okay, then, then how could this have been? Okay, I
guess it could have been if she wasn't in text
contact with these three killers, it could have been at
that point that she made the arrangements to meet them.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well, I believe that the arrangements were made long before.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
In addition to that, she had emailed me that her
life was over, that they were going to kill her.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
So I had three separate emails prior to that. You
know that time.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Now the killer who's one of the killers is Joshua Robinette.
He's in recordings with Tiffany, so they knew each other.
And that being said, there's no chance that it was
a random meeting.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
That was impossible.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Where can we see Are those videos available for a review?

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yes, they're all on YouTube if you just type in
Tiffany Jenks and then.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Add the word josh Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I looked at a lot of this stuff, wasn't it now? Okay? Now,
but I couldn't find that now now that's been turned
over to the police in DA's office.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Well, I constantly was in contact to them, you telling
them I have recordings that are you know, that proved
she knew her killers all the way to eating back
long before the sentencing. So without a doubt they knew
that that I had these and that I had gotten
these via her having my cell phone.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yes, okay, but you never turn that over to them
and got a receipt that they received it.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
No, sir, I called them and they didn't ever contact
me back.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
What about the defense attorneys? So the defense attorneys have
I had an investigator contact you and say, hey, we
want we want to explore your theories here.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
That never happen never, And in fact I called them
a contacted a judge and the district attorney's office both
and left them voicemails for instance, And in the court
records it said John Captain left us a voicemail about
his theories and the murder. However we did not know
how to transcribe those to the court records, right, so

(20:47):
they didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
But and here's the key, it's none of us is
my theory.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
It's actual recordings of Tiffany and her therapy and her
h and her killer Joshua Robinette.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Before we get to that, though, we're discussing the your
theory of the murder night. Yes, okay, Now, out of
all her friends and is there anybody else who agrees
with your theory?

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Well, I think that anybody with any logic that's not
involved into this cult would say that there's something going
on here. I would you know her family, No, of
course not no, and her friends know they're all involved
in the same conspiracy cover up.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
But what about your friends? And you must have had
your friends who had met her when she was with
you for a year. You must have friends who, hey,
let's go hang out with with my girlfriend. Tiffany. And
then when you tell them this story, now what you're
there is, what is their reaction?

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Well, it depends on the person. I mean, I've had
many of my friends say let the murder go or
you know that they don't believe in mind control at all, right,
and so I don't really talk to them much about
it anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
But of course, you.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Know, I have I have, you know, fifth people that
are very supportive of the idea that you know, Tiffany
was a mindctral victim and she was killed for it.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
But these are people that were in your life before
you started going on these radio shows and meeting all
these people.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yes, yeah, of course, Okay, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Let me ask another question. Okay, when you were dating Tiffany,
did she ever talk to you about being molested as
a child, that kind of thing, early childhood trauma?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
She told me about being raped? I don't know. We
did not discuss her childhood to that level, Okay, but.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
She definitely and she did record with her therapist that
her father had been molested as.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, that her father had been molested. Correct, And how
did she know that?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
He told her?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Okay, that's interesting. Do we know who molested him? No, okay,
all right, so then then give me your theory. Now,
how did you come to think that? Let me tell
you something. Okay. I used to follow this guy named
Alex Constantine. You know, he did all this work on
satanic ritual abuse and the UJ Simpson case, and I

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voracious reader of all his work. And then he also
had this work on mind control. This is way back
in the eighties in the nineties, and I could accept everything,
all the stuff he was talking about. When it came
to mind control, I just there was like a little
trigger in my head that says, I can't buy this,
this is too much. Now today, I you know, very family,
I do believe there is mind control and it exists, uh,
and it's uh and I believe it. It's really pervasive

(23:42):
in our society. I think that there's a mass mind
control where they created a mass trauma in the public
and then the news to manipulate this. Uh. But I
just couldn't accept it when I first heard about it. Now,
what has made made you conclude that mind control is
involved in this murder?

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Well, just if you know, I look at it from
my standpoint and what the general public could accept to
both at the same time. So let's pretend your listeners
never heard of mind control. I would say that I
have a plethora of facts that they don't have that
led me to a point where something was wrong, but

(24:25):
I didn't know what. And on August sixth of twenty fourteen,
I was in a restaurant and I had these recordings
that I had got from my investigation that Tiffany had
made with her therapists. And in the recordings, for instance,
the therapist goes tap tap tap with a pen on

(24:47):
the table, and then Tiffany's voice changes to a baby,
and he talks about demons, dark forces, vampires and all
of this stuff that meant nothing to me at all.
And so on that date, on that August sixth, twenty fourteen,
so you're looking at you know, like what seven eight
months after the murder or more, I still didn't know.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
That Tiffany was a mind control victim.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
I met in a restaurant Clyde Lewis from Ground zero Radio,
and I was in a restaurant. He said he had
a radio show, and I said, hey, wait a minute,
So I had my cell phone with me. I played
for him some recordings that Tiffany had made prior to
her death. Four days before her death to be sacked,

(25:33):
where they were talking about vampires, dark forces, and her
voice had changed to a baby after he talked about
like follow the yellopic road, and Clyde Lewis was just
just about passed out.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
He couldn't believe it.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
He had never heard this stuff and he had studied
it for twenty five years. And so later that night
he does a show called Grasping at Broken Straws, and
beginning around fifteen minutes into his show, he begins to
talk about meeting me and my seeking of justice for Tiffany,
which at that point had nothing to do with mind control,

(26:08):
nothing to do with anything. It just simply was me
looking for answers about her murder because the police were
lying one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
And so.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
As that night transpired, he did the radio show and
after that show he calls.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Me on the phone.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I guess a listener named Cynthia had called his show
and said that Tiffany was Illuminati. And Clyde calls me
and he says, why didn't you tell me she was Illuminati?

Speaker 2 (26:32):
And I said, what is that? I don't even know
what that is.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
And so he proceeded to explain to me what it was.
And so then I took all that she had written
to me about dark forces and gatekeepers and timestoppers and
heart of darkness, and I took all those words and
I typed him in Google against Illuminati, and it took
me about two or three searches, and here comes a
Fritz Springmyer, a famous author about mind control.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
And I emailed Fritz Springmeyer that day, that night.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
And he replies the next day, and I said to him,
I have a bunch of recordings, letters, all the stuff
she's written me about you know a lot of people
are going to die, and that you know she doesn't
want her hard work to go towards other people's deaths,
and that there's so much more than I understand. So
I took all this stuff to his home, including my

(27:26):
computer's iPads, phones, everything, and in fifteen minutes he was
able to tell me Tiffany was under my control, a
monarch slave for the New World Order. Now all that
meant nothing, because I was still the general public, right.
I had never believed any of this was even remotely possible.
So Fritz Springmeier hands me his book and he goes
over things, and we spent about a month together after

(27:49):
that time, and what I had learned was is that,
of course Tiffany was under my control because.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Not just because the evidence that I had.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
That I had an audio, but what she had written
to me about her family's connection to the Illuminati, as
far as like the RJA Reynolds, tobacco and the fact
that here's this girl that left my home under mind.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Control to go die.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Okay, you're talking about she told the bargin and she's
going to die, and within forty minutes she was dead.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
That's really weird.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
What kind of a human would do that unless somebody
is completely under mind control in the first place. But
with that being said, all of the evidence with her
therapists that people can listen to online says tap tap tap,
follow the Elbick road, you know, death wishes, demons, vampires,
and all this weird stuff that the general public wouldn't
even know. They can go listen to that right now,

(28:44):
and then they can transfer that to Google and say
what does it mean when somebody says, you know, Timestopper,
gatekeeper and so on with the Illuminati in mind control.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
So basically that's how it all.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Came about and on that date August of six, let's say,
of twenty fourteen. From that day forward, everything was based
upon the idea that Tiffany was a mind control slave
for the New World Order and that her.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Job as a human was to work at the dams.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Okay, Yeah, a couple of questions. This tape I listened to,
these clips of these tapes, is there available for review
to the public right now, an unedited version of these tapes?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
There's portions of the unedited version. The reason why I'm
forced to remove portions of it is because when I
post all of it and I have they remove it
because she cusses too much.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Okay, YouTube, she'll be like, F that or F this,
or you know, he'll say that or something like that,
and so.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
But there are several parts of that where it's not
me talking over what I believe to be the situation couple,
it's under Tiffany Janks Jonathan Weiedman.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Now, have you ever had like a professional examine these
recordings to determine that nothing's been tampered with on them?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
No, but I would be more than happy to anybody.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, and who is Cynthia? And Cynthia was a caller
into Clyde.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Lewis I believe that that would been Tiffany's.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Tiffany was married for about a thirty day period, and
as far as I know, Cynthia was the husband's mother,
Tiffany's husband's mother when Tiffy was married for thirty days.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
But yes, she was a caller into the show, and.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
She said that this Tiffany was Illuminati. Correct, Okay, And
I listened to the part with the tap tap tap
right and to me and I I've never met this
girl before, but it didn't sound like her voice turned
into a baby voice to me is yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Well it does clearly if you if you understand her
voice she begins right after that and and her voice
as a baby.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
But it's not just that, like.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
You said, I mean knowing the overall context of the
recordings that will help you to see. I mean there's
portions where they talk about vampires, and they talk about demons,
and they talk about you know, don't tell anybody who
you are, will make you a target, and target she
has shot at first. Some of those recordings are that

(31:32):
are kind of strange as well. But yeah, her if
you know who Tiffany is and you listen to her
voice and other recordings, you will know that her voice initially.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Starts out right after that as a baby.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
So the the majority of the evidence that you have
that this was a mind control situation is from that recording.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Well, no, I think that. I think that the recording
plays just one small role. The reason that I I
know for sure she's in mind control is a lot
deeper than that. Besides the fact that professionals have looked
at it, like Fritz Springmeyer and Clyde Lewis or whatever,
you know, what do you call it, David Ike and
Richie Allen. They've they've looked at the evidence that I have.

(32:14):
But not only the discussions that she says in the recordings,
of which some of them are not have not been
released to the public, but the idea that she left
my house to go die, and an hour after the
bartender of forty minutes, let's say she leaves there to
go die, that's programmed to go die. Nobody in their

(32:36):
right frame of mind or even in a drunk stupor
would I'll ever leave to go get murdered unless they
wanted to die, right, That's just wouldn't happen.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
So she was programmed to go there.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Let me ask you this. The conspiracy that you describe
is so elaborate. The relatives are involved, that these therapists
are involved, the friends are involved, these hit men from
out of town were involved. Did it ever occur to
you that, if it is this elaborate, and it is

(33:10):
on so many levels, do you find it odd that
you would run into Clyde Lewis in a restaurant and
the two of you would just suddenly start talking about this.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
I found that. I mean I talked to a lot
of people. I guess it's no more odd than me
finding you or anybody else. I was there on my
own free will, and he was there talking to one
of his friends for breakfast. According to him, he goes
there all the time, and I certainly go there all
the time. So no, I think I've talked to about

(33:41):
twenty thousand people about this case, and so he was
just one of many. I mean, it's no more different
than after I found out I went to go see
David Ike and talk to him, and you know, hundreds
of other people. But is it odd that he was
there and he told me she was under my control? Well? No,
not really, he was there often, And in fact I

(34:04):
saw him randomly there two or three other times after
that after we had met where we had zero contact,
but he was actually there just eating and so was I,
And so that part is not overly random.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Okay. I don't want to make anybody to think I'm
making accusations against Clyde Lewis. I've been I've been a
guest on the show a couple of times. We get along.
We get along.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Fine, Yeah, no problem. But just no, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
It's a great question because and also too, like all
these people who've listened to the tape, the tape hasn't
been authenticated, like they've just listened the basically they're trusting you.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yeah right, Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, And I think it's
important to note that. And I don't have a problem
with that at all. I think that that in itself
should be something people should look at.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
What I would.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Say is this, I don't see anybody except me coming
or in telling the truth at all. And what I
mean is you don't see the therapist Jonathan Weedman saying hey,
wait a minute here, Yes, Tiffany was my client.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yes, I saw her four days before she was dead.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yes, she talked about that she was going to die,
and yes, I told her that she could become a
target and she could get shot at if she tells
anybody who she is, and out of all ways to die,
she was shot four days after.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Okay, So Jonathan Weedbman.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Could raise his hand at any time, and I'm more
than happy to, you know, come on your show with
anybody that wants to, you know, anybody in her family,
any therapist, any police, any DA, any judge, anybody that
would like to debate any question or ask me anything
about the murder. My answers or my facts speak for themselves.

(35:54):
I'm telling you I have her recording with Jonathan Weedman
that was four days before Tiffany was dead. Where tiff
and he's crying for help, saying she's going to die.
And in those recordings, he's not coming forward to tell
his side of the story. Okay, Now, if he would
like to debate this, if the therapist would like to
come on your show, I would be absolutely welcoming him

(36:17):
with open arms because I have about one hundred more
questions that I would like to ask him, like why
didn't you come forward after she died to tell the
police that she was actually knowing she was going to die.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I mean, that's odd, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I would invite all these people to come on the
show too as well, anybody who wants to do another
version and defend themselves or give their own point perspective
on this case.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Now, sure ed, because this is all about Tiffany, this
isn't about John. So here's the point right now, I'm
willing to say I will debate them or ask them
simple questions. If you were the therapist, here's the first
thing I would ask you. No one sent you in
the recordings.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Let's move on from there for a second. Now, okay,
what is your motive for doing all these shows? Like,
what do you think you're going to accomplish with this?

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Well, I want the public to understand that Tiffany and
James did not die. How they're trying to claim that
the police are lying and that Tiffany's killers got out
of jail with a thirteen months sentence and a two
hundred dollars fine, and that that's not okay, and that
I think also in addition to that, that once America
gets that mind control is real, who actually sent her

(37:28):
then to die?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
That's the bigger question that's really going to come forward eventually.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, one of the actual shooter himself, he actually got
eighteen years.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Right, the shooter was set up in this case. He
said he was set up. They told him the co killers,
which is Josh Michelle, said you either shoot her or
we shoot you. But yes, he did get I think
it comes out to about thirteen by the time he's done.
But yeah, I've I read that eighteen.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Now, since you've gone public with this, have you seen
any positive results from it? Like, do you think you're
accomplishing what you sent out.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
To Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
I've had hundreds of people contact me to tell me
that they too have been victims of mind control and.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Or I mean, I've even had Tiffany.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
One guy that said he dated Tiffany in two thousand
and five and he totally believes me one hundred percent,
but he believes the same story that Tiffany indeed was
a mind control victim. I've had people that knew her
in treatment that since she was afraid of her family.
I mean there, I've had lots of people reach out
to me that I have inside information about not only
the murder, but about mind control Do I think that

(38:39):
Tiffany is a victim of mind control? One hundred percent.
And the reason why is is I have a big
long list. But am I Am I actually helping Tiffany's case? Yes,
because it's all based on corruption and the idea that
the police are lying and that needs to be told.

(39:00):
To this day, it hasn't been. And that's why her
two co killers are out of jail already.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Now.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
And you think, you think the motive for this was
because she worked at this, involving the dams at this,
what was that caulled? Again?

Speaker 4 (39:15):
The motive was she was becoming clear that she was
a mind control victim. And that's truthfully why she's dead now.
Because you have Patsy's or you have people under mind
control that actually carried out the murder, nobody's you know,
all the lower class people that actually carried out the
crime are taking the fall for Tiffany's murder. How could

(39:36):
it be that the killer had seven thousand dollars in
cash on him.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
When he was arrested.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
How can it be that they took off the serial
numbers that day before they sold him the gun on
a promisory note. And here Tiffany they claimed that they
didn't even know Tiffany at all, when I have proof
they did. And here's the only thing. Why am I
the only one that has these recordings of Joshua Robinett
saying that he's gonna go buy a gun? And nobody

(40:03):
else in this case cares about those recordings that I
gained from Tiffany's phone.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Now those are audio recordings, correct, How would we confirm
that it's Joshua.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Well, the simplest way would be for anybody to.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Get a copy of the deposition audio recordings of the
police and then comparing his voice to his voice. However,
I will tell you that Tiffany's hairdresser named Jonathan already
confirmed to me it was Joshua Robinett in the recording.
I already had confirmation of that. In addition to that,
in the recordings, he talks about how Andy, a guy

(40:39):
named Andy, is the one who gave him a cell phone.
When I did a reverse check based on an investigative
that I hired, they reverse engineered or reverse checked his
cell number, which I had Tiffany had in his phone
right of Joshua, that number was reversed and it belongs
to Andy.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
That's Tiffany's friend.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
And so there was never a question in my mind
whether it was Josh to kill her. I was just
wondering why nobody else cared but me.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Okay, well clarify that for me now that when you
did the reverse look up on the phone the cell
phone number looking for Josh, she came up with Andy.
But how is that a match? Then?

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Well, because actually what I didn't tell you was in
the recording Tiffany says to him how he got his
cell phone, and he says, it's Andy's phone. And so
in the phone that Tiffany owned, which she had, of mind,
she had saved the number Joshua Joshure is what she
called him, Josh or Josh g R. And his cell number,

(41:40):
and it was in her phone right now. Also, I
want to point out that in the recording that she
made with Josh, she introduces Josh to Tony, which Tony
is where she lived, and so there was the connection
there where Tony and Job had met. And yet Tiffany

(42:02):
was the one that recorded them and said, you know,
they talked or whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
But I have those recordings, and it's real simple.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
If you don't if anybody didn't think it was Josh, Well,
that would be really simple. All they'd have to do
is just go ahead and get a recording in Josh
off the police. However, they're not giving the recordings of
the testimony that he gave in any Do you notice
I don't know, notice because it probably didn't. They never
said one word in court, not even sorry, not a word,

(42:30):
not even sorry. The defendants correct, because they know I
have a recording of them.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
See, now, what would all these even if she did
know Josh? Right, yep, yep, okay.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
That would make it premeditated, right.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
But it could still be again, and then your theory
is that the motive is this elaborate mind control theory
involving damns and RG rentals and stuff. But the thing
is is that wh why don't you have you explored
the idea that it was just like a drug deal,
maybe she was a witness to something.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Well, I think the other people that are involved in
this would love to go by bat theory.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
But putting all that aside, all that really matters.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
And step one of the investigation is did she know Josh?
That's all that matters, because now you're talking about twenty
five years versus thirteen months and a premeditated murder. If
the shooters were paid to kill Tiffany, who paid them?

Speaker 2 (43:29):
That's my quest?

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Right? And today's show is titled Tiffany Jenks's Mind control Theory.
So you and your theory is that it involves this
elaborate mind control, correct, right, So then how do you
come to that? Have you explored the drug theory or
the blackmail theory?

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Well, none of that would even matter because if they
were premeditatively paid to kill her, see, because the shooter
had seven thousand cash on him when he was arrested,
So none of that would play out.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
If she was the most horrible person.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
In the world, none of that would matter because they
somebody paid them to kill her.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
You're right, Okay, Well, let's say I'm using Tiffany as
a mule to run drugs back and forth in Penalton
to Portland. She's holding she's holding my stuff. I hired
those guys from Oakland, you know, take her out to
a park there.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Who hired the guys from Oakland? That's the question me.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I hired them because she took my dress, right, So
now we need to find out who you are, right,
I'm not sure but but the thing is, though, is
that's a possible theory. It also could be like a
black mail sex black mail kind of things, that stuff
goes on. These things go well.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
According to the police, she met them randomly and then
in nineteen minutes later she was dead.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
But we're at the point now in part two of
the show where we agree that we agree that that's
hanky as hell for these guys to show up and
get a motel and they got the face guns. They
bring a guy from Oakland. Hanky as hell, there's something,
there's another reason motive for this murder. Now it's even
mind control, which is now the focus at this show.
How do we come to that conclusion or these other

(44:58):
possibilities which are much more more likely. Have you explored
these possibilities?

Speaker 4 (45:04):
I don't see them as much more likely, because what
you're really saying is is that, Okay, so Tiffany's at
the bar and she tells the bartender her life is
over and she just walks outside to die.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, because she was susicide. You said in the last
show she attended suicide. No.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
No, because well no, I said that she before I
met her the twelve months prior that she had made
many attempts of suicide, but all of that doesn't play
out because she left my house telling me that they
were going to kill her and that she wasn't going
to die night. She then went to the bar told
the bartender her life was over. Now, if they want

(45:41):
to say they killed her for a suicide, then so
we will know the truth once we get.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
To the bottom of it.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
No matter whether they were paid by a drug king
lord or something like that, none of that has been explored.
The issue at hand is did Tiffany go there under
mind control? Yes she did, because no other logical person
would have gone there to.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Die, but a suicidal person would.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
A suicidal person would. But she was crying, They're going
to kill me. I'm not going to die tonight. I'm
not going to die tonight. I'm not going to die tonite.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Now, before you know, yeah, before you make and I
don't want to upset you. I know this is very raw, Okay,
no problem, you know. And it's late for you there,
so I know that too. And I know this is raw.
And I get these clients call me like this. They
lost a loved one, you know, and they're convinced that
there's a you know, a you know they you know
what I mean? Yeah, right, we got it. Uh, that's

(46:41):
a possibility that we have to examine. Now.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Well, I got an email from Tiffany that says, John,
Tony Tyson they want us to die.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
And that's sad.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
So she said in this stage, she's telling you in advance,
this is like less than a week or you know,
ten days, but before she was dead, that Tony and
Tyson are going to kill us and that's sad. This
is not somebody and believe me, a core to a family.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
You know. They even showed a video, a picture of
her and Pendleton all happy, happy, happy.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
In fact, her sister in the court record says, this
is really funny. Tiffany was happy about life and the
role she would play in her future.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Let me ask you this, before you met Clyde and Fritz, right,
because you had no idea about any of this wine
control before then. And that was yes, twenty fourteen, right, correct,
So this happened, the murder happened in twenty twelve, my.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Correct, twenty thirteen. It was about eight month period.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
In that eight month period, did you explore these other theories?
A blackmail, a drug deal.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Every single possible thing, And in fact, I was in
constant contact prior to that with her mother. Once I
had had found out acts that they were lying, that's
when everything flipped for them as well.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
So you know, I have the I have the emails, and.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
They're all weird too, by the way, the email correspondence
back and forth between me and her mother. You know,
two months after Tiffany was dead, her mom was like, well, John,
We're not going to let this murder consume us. And
I'm like, that's weird because at this point, you know,
we don't even really have the full story. But there

(48:23):
was clearly a cover up all along from the second
she was murdered.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I was investigating the murder.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Not one thing the police told was true, not one thing, nothing,
including the motive for what what what would possibly be
the motive for that guy to come from California shoot
Tiffany and leave the following morning.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Now, these emails between the mother and the emails between
Tiffany with you back and forth, is there an unedited
exchange available to the public to look at.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
No, No, it's all personal stuff. I never shared it online.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yet, See, my concern would be and I like you, John,
I do. Yeah, I understand, and I think you're to
see her. One question a half away before I get
to that is, what is the purpose of you being
in China?

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Well, I just I don't feel comfortable being in Portland
because cops are all lying, right, they're gonna lie about murder.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, I know. I hear you now, I hear you now.
And your business in Portland? That was this spa? Right,
there's some people see it online that it was a
spa that was used for prostitution. What's the story behind that?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Well, Well, if I was involved in a murder, I
would say lots of things about people that stood up
for Tiffany.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
But let's just say this. Let's say I'm a murderer.
I'm in a cell, okay, yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
This guy next to me, Now I've killed somebody. Right,
I'm a murderer, and you're the guy next to me,
and I confide in you that I have facts to
a murder. Even I would still be a hero for
telling the truth about a murder, right if I'm the
one confiding in you about a murder, or rather if
you were the one that.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Told the public.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Right, even though both of us could be killers as
long as one of us tells true. Now, I had
my business in Portland for twenty three years. I spent
a million dollars building this business.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
And do I cater.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
To prostitute after twenty three years in Portland? Now, Portland's
a very strict city. Right, that's absurd. Now I get
the idea that they want to make me the bad guy,
and they will. And then you ask why it is
that I want to do lots of shows to tell
the truth about Tiffany's murder, because Tiffany's dead and not

(50:41):
one single person's telling the truth the murderer, not one.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
The reason why I asked that it's not to offend you, Okay,
but no.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I know, I don't mind it.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
But because you know she was at a strip club.
You know, was she a sex worker? Was she a
sex worker or anytime?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Well, no, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Okay. Now, what you believe the motive was is that
she was coming out of her programming and that's why
they had to kill her.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yes, I believe that one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Okay, here's another thing that I point out. Okay, so
here's an email. I'll just read it to you exactly
what it is. This is twelve ten of twenty thirteen
from Tiffany's mother, John, how can we ever thank you
enough for helping with this. I will call the detectives
tomorrow and ask the times the Cadillac got to the

(51:40):
bar and left. I also want to tell you about
the lady who says tiff knew the older couple with
the last.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Name of sergeant. The girls last name was sergeant. Do
you want me.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
To tell them about the guy who supposedly saw her
before the police got there, and that she had an
ATM card in her hand right down the questions.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
That will help? Okay, that's from Tiffany's mother. Uh, yeah,
I see here.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
I know you hate to take medications, but an antidepressant
might help you and do you some good. Get something,
maybe get you some when you get back from Thailand.
It doesn't seditate you, but it helps you see things brighter.
It doesn't suddenly change you, but more how you respond
to life. I think all my kids have tried them,
and people who tell me that's working the best are

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the spouses just a thought. I mean, it's just this
is all you know. December twelfth.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, I had a spouse. I want to put an antidepressants.
If I would have put the pills in my ears,
they drown out her nagging. They would have worked better.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, totally, okay, So I want to read for you,
and these are word for word.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
This is December fifteenth, okay, from Tiffany's mother.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Now, mind you, she died October.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Eighth, so you're talking about you know hardly, you know,
just a few months, not even two months, right?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Hi? John? Your last email to me was a tear jerker.
So I'm glad you were able.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
To provide Tiffany with some stability in her last year
of her life. You know, she loved you, and that's
all you need to know. Who cares what others think.
I was unable to get through to the detectives today,
so I'll try again tomorrow. The time in our life
when we make the greatest changes and move forward are
the times of tragedy and grief. It opens your soul

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and it's not a bad than John. You'll eventually be
able to see some good in this. We are glad
that she didn't go missing in Europe and we would
never know what happened to her. There's so many families
with no bodies and they live in anticipation every day.
Tiff had a grief life just troubled with her addiction.
I really think she had some wiring problems in her

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brain that was probably hereditary. I know she wanted to live,
but came close to death so much many times. I
think she felt she could out with death and continue
to take choice chances, even when warned. She had so
much trauma over the years, hit on the head, raped, abducted.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I could go on and on. Of course, all of
this was why drinking. She was she drunk when you
first met her.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Question Mark, I can tell you that my husband told
her that he was done before he died, he would
he was done rescuing her and enabling her. Of course,
when he died, she fell apart, and then I felt
the need to help her again every time. It seems
she wanted to make this time the last. I'm glad
for her that her struggle is over. May God maybe

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God just saw she couldn't overcome and let and let
her come to Heaven early.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I will miss her, and that's from her mom.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
But but let me ask you this. You know, because
people grieve differently. You know, people grieve differently, man, sure, sure,
and you're you know you you have a very savvy life,
you know what I mean. You've lived a life, You've
experienced a lot of things in your life, you know,
because you remind me a lot of myself too when
you talk about how the gas station around the corner
they know you, you know what I mean, Like, I'm
the same way, you know, Yes, right, so, but people

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grieve differently, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Well, I don't have a problem with people grieving differently.
What I have a problem with is they're flat out
lying about her murder. Yeah, there's no question the killers
knew her. The killer Josh knew her father. That's all
that matters.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Wait, wait, they knew her father.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yeah, it says the recording that that's why you liked
my dad, remember what.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
He said the night you met him.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
But again, Josh, yeah, but again that's we're just going
by voices. We haven't verified it's the same Josh. Right.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Well, I would be more than happy to listen to
the police tapes with Josh being interrogated, but they're not
giving me those.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Right, I understand it. But until then, we're just you know,
it's a hunch that it's the same job.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Well no, actually, Jonathan, her hairdresser, had told me and
I recorded it somewhere, but that that was indeed Josh,
that she knew him, he knew him.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
That So Jonathan the hairdresser says that she knew Josh
the shooter, that he.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Knew Josh the shooter.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
He also told me that Tiffany had received an email
about dying to see if I have that clip right.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
But again she's still even if Jonathan the hairdresser and
she didn't know Josh, and but again that that doesn't
verify that it's a well.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Josh, Jonathan said he knew Josh, and that was Josh.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
John will learn at a time, you know. And I
think we've covered a lot and it's been a whole hour.
It's three hours total. Now, yeah, yeah, what do you
want to leave us with that?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I don't want to leave you upset.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Okay, I know it's not that I get the idea
that the family has a goal, and that is to
demonize me and make claims. I'm okay with that because
bottom line is is that my words speak for thels.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Tiffany and Jenks's murder is not solved.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
And I think that the general public looks at it
and they go, so, what you're trying to say? She
just randomly went to that bar and got shot nineteen
minutes later? Yeah, okay, So I mean that's the key
to it.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
And I said to you right there, I agree with
you one hundred percent. That's there's something hanky about the shooting.
There's no doubt about that. There's no way these guys
show up and set at the face gun and just accidentally,
you know, unless it was like a thrill kill type
of situation.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Well no, but wait, but wait, what about my business?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
What about it?

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Well?

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Yeah, what about it? Let's talk about that. I mean, heck,
that's just ridiculous. John Captain owns a business. Let's not
talk about the killers at all. That's the that's the
funny part of this, right. If you look at all
the claims that are made by her family, not one
single word is ever told about Tiffany's murder or the

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facts to the murder. None but John Captain is a
bad guy.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Well, John, even if the allegations were true that you
that you owned an establishment that was used by prostitutes too,
you know, even if that is one hundred percent true.
That doesn't make you a bad guy. That's it's a
legal business. People have those kind of people own massage pollowers,
people own these different kinds of bath you know, public
baths in New York, the gay bath houses in New York.

(58:23):
People strip clubs. I just had a guy who wanted
to strip a couple last week. That doesn't make you
a murderer, doesn't make you a bad guy, but it
would be if there's a sex industry pattern throughout this. Okay,
that's something that that should be, and that could even
confirm the mind control theory because people involved in my
control often get involved in the sex industry. I've had

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other guests on here too. Sexual molestation is a sexual
abuse is a pattern in that as well. So I
hope I didn't offend you with that one question. Okay,
And and uh.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Well no, I see it all the time online with
her family, but they all So we'll not talk about
why it is that the killers got away with murder,
because that's the key to this.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Well, did you ever think maybe that the blackmail or
the drug dealing or whatever, this other possibility besides my control,
that they could be involved in that and that's why
they're covering it up.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Whatever, let's go with that then, But we still have
to get bought to the bottom of the murder.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yeah, I could agree with you more. The murder itself
is suspicious as hell.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
That's all the matters. That's what I'm working on.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah, I'm not working on whether I heck was it
Bill Clinton that got a blowjob from Monica Lewinsky and
he was the president? So the focus of John in
his hatap place is a nice spin. However, it still
comes back to Tiffany Janks got shot in the head
after nineteen minutes of meeting these people, and the claim

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is made that they don't know her, but they do,
and I have proof that they do.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
So what do you want to leave us with?

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Well, people can check out Facebook at Tiffany j Murderer
and or John as Captain and or go to Google
and just google Tiffany Jenks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Okay, John, thank you so much. If something new comes
up you want to present to me, I'll be more
than happy to give you more time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Okay, Okay, sir, thank you for help.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Bye.