Khalil Amani: Ex Yahweh Ben Yahweh Cult Member on Blacks for Trump

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to this. We got a great show today. This is
an incredible story. We have as our guest Khalil Amani. Okay,
and you can find him. He's got a website called
the Khalil Amani Reader. Got a show coming up. He's
gonna be on the ID channel Investigation Discovery channel.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay. Our guest now today is a Khalil a Money.
Khalil Are you there, I'm here. How you doing, I'm
doing good? Thank you so much. Tell us about yourself.
Who is Khalil Amani?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, Khalila Money. First thing, Kalila Money was not my
birth name. I I wasn't born Khalila Money. But we'll
get to there soon. But Uh, I grew up in Miami.
Uh you know air Force parents, Uh, air Force Brad
growing up in there. I'm fifty seven years old. So
I grew up as a teenager in the seventies. Uh.
Right after high school. I actually joined a religious cult

(02:24):
in Miami. They called himself the sh The people in
the street called us the Yahwehs. But we were a
a black Key BRIDGERI like sect, which there's been a
lot of information over the years about this particular group.
But think SI. I grew up, uh, graduate from high school. Uh.
Actually I went to college for a year and dropped out.

(02:45):
Uh and it is it is because of the cult
that I actually dropped out. I was actually at one
of my fraternity brother's house, uh, just chilling, and he
happened to have uh, some literature about this, this this
religious group, and I started reading it and I was
quite fascionated by it. Going back to like elementary school,
I've always been like a spiritual child, like a kid

(03:06):
that always went to church. Like I had four other
brothers and sisters and a sister, and none of them
were like religious kids. But I was a religious kid
in the family. So I'd get up on Sunday morning
and get dressed and go to church by myself, Sunday
school by myself. And my parents would sometimes argue at
my siblings because they didn't want to go, and you know,

(03:26):
they used to tell me, you know, don't get up,
don't go. But I was just that kid so that
loved religion, loved God. So at ten years old, I
actually got baptized of my own free will, you know,
fully understanding you know the message of Jesus Christ and salvation.
So that took me all through through my you know,
formative years being a spiritual kid. Along with being a

(03:49):
spiritual kid, I was actually very much in tune with
like the plight of black folks in America. I remember
being in the fifth grade, maybe nineteen sixty eight, having
a social study teacher, a white lady that was very progressive,
Like she really opened her eyes to what was going on.
And if you can remember or know anything about nineteen

(04:11):
sixty eight, that was like a great year for like
social studies. You had like Kennedy, Robert Kenney was assassinated,
Martin M. King was assassinated that year. He had the
King's State Riots that year, Women's Live was coming oft
of age, the Black Power Movement, all these great things
were going on in America, and I had this teacher
that was like, actually, you know, engaging us to understand,

(04:34):
you know, the social climate of America during that time.
So along with being religious, I was a very as
you say, conscious kid. Now at home, Mom and Dad,
they weren't they never talked about religion. Neither did they
talk about anything going on with black people. My dad
was kind of He was a military guy, Air force,

(04:55):
like I said earlier, and he never spoke much. He
never spoke on race and all that stuff. The only
thing he would say about like America and racism and
the white man. He would call the white man chuck.
I didn't understand what he meant back then, but now
I do. But chuck, Chuck was his word of calling
the white man. I guess a cracker or a devil
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Charlie I think is a.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, that's another name he he didn't use. He used chuck.
I heard Charlie later on.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
But yes, so I'm fifty five. I grew up in
the South Bronx fifty five years old, So I know
exactly what you're talking about. Man.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, okay, okay, we're similars on fifty seven. Yeah right there.
So yeah, he you know, he would say, boy, that
chuck is something else that would be the extent of
his politics. I guess, so, you know, I said. I
graduated from high school, I went to college for a year,
joined his fraternity, and one of my brothers who happened

(05:52):
to be going to some of this class, he had
this literature on his on his coffee table, and I
began to read it, and it says something like, you
are not a nigger, the world's best kept secret, Yahweh,
God of God's Now all that was foreign to me.
I never heard the name Yahweh because I had heard,

(06:13):
you know, people call nigger. But okay, he's telling me
you are the original Jews of the Bible, the world's
best kept secret. What plaid a hold on the hold
on them? Now? Like I said, I was the religious kid.
I read the Bible a lot. We had a beautiful
Bible on our home with beautiful pictures of Europeans as
God and Jesus and you know, the angels and you

(06:35):
know the prophets, and I would look at that Bible.
I remember as a child in awe and like, wow,
these are you know, this is Jesus, you know, represented
of course as white people, never really thinking that people
from that region maybe possibly didn't look like that. But
as a kid, you don't think about those kinds of things.

(06:55):
So here here I am reading this literature at nineteen
years old, telling me that that I'm actually the original Jew,
and that the white man who I know as a
Jew is not the original Jew. He's an imposter according
to this literature. And I'm just blown away. So while
he's taking the shower, I'm reading it, and then he goes,
you know, the literature goes on to talk about people

(07:16):
in the Bible and who's that are black, like say,
for instance, the prophet job If Job thirty thirty says,
my skin is black upon me, and I'm reading. I'm
just reading the literature, and I'm like, that's not in
the Bible. So I'm looking around. I see he has
a Bible that I go to where I flip through it.
Sure enough, I see job thirty thirty, my skin is
black upon me. Go over the Song of Solomon, chapter one,

(07:38):
verse five, I am black but handsome. Wow. Go over
to this, you know, go over to Revelations where Jesus
has talked about is happening here like pure wool, which
is kind of like black people. So now I'm starting
to say, Wow, this is crazy. I want to meet
this man. I want to find out who this guy is,

(07:59):
because you know, I thought I was pretty knowledgeable on
Bible stuff, but I had never read this stuff. And
of course I hadn't read the Bible. From the beginning
to end either, so I hadn't ran across it. So
of course I asked my friend, who is this guy?
And where can I go to meet him? He says, oh,
that's his name is Moses Israel. That's what he goes by,

(08:19):
Moses Israel, and we go to class on Wednesday night. Yeah,
you can come, sure, I said, dude, is a cause?
Do I have to dress up? He said, no, you
can wear shorts, it don't matter. Just come and it's free.
It's gonna be at the Joseph Caleb Center. It's a
little part of Miami Little Center. So of course I
go that next Wednesday, and I sit not in the

(08:43):
front row because I was a little bit nervous because
when you walked in there, of course you right away
you saw that they had security guards. It was very
It wasn't like going to church where everybody was like hi,
that very nice and friendly and stuff. It was more
it was like a militant, militant kind of situation. People
had on uh kind of African guards day shiki's and

(09:04):
and things that were cultural, and the women had on
like turbans, and you could see clearly this was a
this was I didn't. I didn't feel like I was
going to religious class, but I felt like it was
more of a history class. So I go in. I said,
I sit near the front, put myself in a position
where I could actually see and hear very clearly. And
so there's a guy that he comes up and he

(09:27):
uh starts speaking, but he's he's not the main guy.
He's just kind of warming the crowd up. And then
he goes into this prayer, which I assume is Hebrew.
And after that he introduces Brother Moses. He was going
by the name of ak Moche, which is Hebrew for
brother Moses. And so he comes out of the side

(09:50):
wings somewhere I know where he came from, but he
came comes to the podium. Black man, light skin, maybe
six foot. He had an a leisure suit. Now this
is nineteen eighty. His suit looked like it might have
been you know, it was dated. You could tell even
the suit came out of like nineteen seventy seven or something,
right out of that disco era. Yeah, you know, he

(10:14):
didn't have a tie, and he had he had the
shirt over the lapel and you can see part of
his chest, you know, that whole you know, Rico Sabe
Saturday Night Fever look so. And he had an afro
medium size, not overly. He was a nice, round, small afro,
and he's like a very light, light skinned black man.

(10:37):
And he began to speak, and he's very in the beginning,
he was very somber and quiet, and he smiled at
the crowd, and I thought, I think he might have
smiled at me. He kind of looked through my way,
and I would say there probably was about about about
fifty people in the room. It was a very small crowd.
This was the genesis of the yahweh cold. And so

(11:01):
he began to speak, and to me, it appeared that
he was reading my mind because he would talk about
he ran over some of the same things that I
had read in the literature. But I began to have
questions in my mind certain things he would say and then,
and it appeared to me that he would answer him
in the same sentence. And I could have sworn at

(11:22):
one point he looked at me even a smile, like
kind of like I heard you thinking, and I'm blown
on the way, I'm like this this guy is I
just I test him Like Malcolm X, I knew what
you missing you know, he light skinned them, and by

(11:43):
the time finished his exture, he was roaring like a lion,
like he was on some white man is the devil,
White Jews of the false Black people for news, Black
people in the rule the world. One day we drive
of Judah. We had chosen the world. Ever, and mind
you everything he was saying he like giving scriptures, but
of course he was. He was applying it to black people.

(12:05):
But he will show you scriptures, and he would say, uh, say,
for instance, Genesis fifteen thirteen and Acts seven six talks
in the Bible, talks about people who be put in
slavery for four hundred years and treated evil. And I
know that kind of fits black folks circumstance in America.
That sounds about right for the years slavery treated evil.

(12:27):
And I'm looking at those scriptures. Of course I've read
those before and thought that was talking about about the
Agus Egypt. But he will explain that that's not possible.
He just got out a fisher people meaning us here
right right now, the Transchans Atlantic slave trade. So I

(12:48):
bought into it right away. It fit it fit well.
It was a mentally at team, you know. But yeah,
he was very a very fired order. I remember the
end class him going through the audience kind of shaking
hands and you know, telling the people, and I really
wanted to meet him, but I was really I don't

(13:10):
think I've been afraid of somebody like that, ever, the
way I just had. I had a fear of him,
just so, just a fear of this man. And some
kind of way he made his way over to me,
I was like, oh God. And when he came up
to me, I just kind of dropped my head because
I didn't even want to look in his eyes. I
don't know why.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's intimidating. Excuse me, it's intimidating, you know, it's charismatic figure, you.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Know, absolutely, yeah, intimidation. He grabbed my hand, and I
swear to this day I've never felt a man's hand
that was as soft as his hands, like lack of
baby's but like and then his his his fingernails were
immaculately groomed and they were long black of like if

(13:51):
you've ever seen a pimp, you know, pimps are known
they have like long fingernails for whatever reason. But he
had these long, beautifully manicured fingernails and they were all
were coated with a coat of clear fingernail polish. And
he took my hand and squeezed it and kind of
forced me to look about him, and he says, Shalong's son.

(14:13):
Like very he kind of made me folk that over
my fear. He said, shalong Son, just once. You know,
I saw you enjoy the class, and you know, I
hope that you come back and study with this something
to that effect. And I said, yes, sir, yes, sir,
I definitely will be back. And that was it, and
when I left out of it is shaken. Now. The

(14:33):
strangest thing about this particular man, this man who we
were calling Akboches that for a black man, he had
the strangest color eyes. Like if someone said what color
his eyes, I couldn't tell you if they were either
gray or green or blue. And that's kind of strange
for it. You know, black people usually have either black
eyes or brown and sometimes you see light now, but

(14:58):
this is nothing like what I've ever seen, and I
don't think I see my eyes like that. Since then,
they were like depending on where he might have been
standing in the light whatever, they went from like brown
to kind of a green to kind of a blue
to a grayish so they were light. Just put that way.
They were strange for a black man. And you know,
that's something that over the years, as I began to

(15:20):
delve into the coat, you know, that was the conversation
that came up here and there about his eyes. Now,
in the Book of Revelations, it talks about Jesus and
it gives a description of him, and it says he
has hair like wool, and he says he has eyes
as a flame of fire. So we began to once

(15:41):
I joined and got into this coat, we began to
he began to say in the beginning, he didn't say
that he was somebody special, but he would hint by
staying wooly hair and eyes and the flame of fire.
And then he would say, look at my eyes. And
he would pause and stop and smile at the congregation,
and people would kind of, you know, put that with him. Now, Honestly,

(16:05):
the first time I met him, and this is God,
I'm true, I thought he was Jesus. I thought this
man was actually Jesus. And he never said that to me.
That's just what I got from everything he said, and
then his physical appearance and then the way he made
me feel like, I've been in front of a lot

(16:26):
of preachers and other folks in my time and never
you know, it was not there was no mystic to
it was just another man talking about God. But he
made me feel a certain type of way. And then
with his eyes and all that stuff put into the
in the puzzle, I was like, oh. So I went
home that day, and of course I went on my
girlfriend's housing. You know, nineteen, she's eighteen, you know, because

(16:48):
you know what young people like to do, want to
have sex. But I'm like, no, I don't want to.
I want to tell you about this man. So she
tried to make out I'm trying to tell her about
this man named Moche Moses Israel to come to the
class next Wednesday. This guy is Jesus. He didn't say
with Jesus. But I'm telling you, babe, this guy is Jesus.
That you know. She's looking at me, and she's not

(17:10):
looking at me like I'm crazy. She actually is saying, Okay,
I'll come, I'll come now, mind you I by this
is we're talking about the We're talking about April of
April of nineteen eighty. By then, my mother had passed
away maybe eight months ago. Before that, my father our
relationship was always strained from as far back as I

(17:33):
can remember. My father raised me, you know, in the household,
my mom and dad, two parent household. But there never
was a time in my life as a child that
my father showed any kind of affection of love to me.
He never told me he loved me. He never He
never came out and played football with us. He never
held my hand, he never wrestled me, wrestled with me

(17:53):
on the living room floor. He never walked by, you
know and pinched my ears. You know this thing the
show affection. But so there was nothing for me him,
no kind of There was no bond you know my
mom that way. It just he was just he was
just the man at rules. He was just man I

(18:15):
guess fixed and show up with us as a child.
So he had no kind of connection nothing, so uh,
I can remember going to him in nineteen eighty one.
Now now now I've joined the cult, I've actually become
a full time member, which means I gave it my job,
jump dropped out of college, and I'm living in a

(18:37):
building that we purchased with this man am me and
now me and my wife were married. Now we got
married in June of June of nineteen eighty we got married.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Well, let me stop in there for a second, because
you so now this time you joined the cult. Now now,
was because you know I noticed in the pictures of
Moses Israel that's a there's a lot of you folk stuff, right,
was he now when you join the was he already
talking about that UFO stuff? Or did that come up later?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
That came up later he began. It didn't come up
too much later, he would say. He would he would quote, like,
let's say Psalm sixty eighty four, which says, sing praises
under God, sing praises unto him who rides upon the
heavens by his name Jah. That's what it says. So

(19:28):
he would he would first he would key in on
the word jod j h and explain to us that
in the original Hebrew there is no j so all
the jays you see in the Bible were originally wise,
so it should be yah, which is short for Yahweh.
And then he would hone in on the rides upon
the heavens. Then he would say, well, if if God
is a spirit, why would he need to ride spirits

(19:52):
don't ride. And then he would uh. Later on, as
we got along, he would talk about that God is
a man. Daniel seventy nine speaks of God as the
Ancient of days and says and describes describes God as
having hair like pure wool, and that he sits on

(20:13):
a throne. And he was explaining that, you know, spirits
don't need to have hair, Spirits don't sit on thrones,
Spirits don't ride upon the heavens. And then he would
go on in their scriptures in Deuteronomy and Revelations, and
of course Ezekiel, which talks about Ezekiel's will, the will
in the middle of a will, and explained that that's

(20:34):
what we call a ufo, but yahweh, well, we'll call
him a boche or brother Moses. At the time, he
called it the mothership, and he said that God rides
in the mothership. And then he would read, we go
over like he's killed, where Ezekiel looks up into the
heavens and he sees and he describes it creatures within

(20:57):
the middle of these wings and eyes round the bay
out the vehicle. And then he would explain to us
that he would say something like if you were thrust
three thousand years into the future. Could you name the
things you were saying it's looking at And the answer
would probably be no. And so here's Ezekiel looking at

(21:17):
things that were technically so far advanced from his time
that all he could do was describe them. So he
described winged creatures, eyes around about the vehicle, about the wings,
just you know, kind of like that. It's kind of
like if we were in like I said, we lived
in the seventeen hundreds and we all of a sudden

(21:37):
came to twenty first century, and our cars, what would
we say? They were something moving and people were inside them.
So he did. He explains that the UFOs, he had
several names from one name he always called them was
the glory. And he would because that word glory appears

(21:58):
to be throughout the Bible, a word that that has
to do with some kind of object. And there's a
there's a great scripture in in in Deuduonomy where Moses
is asking to look to see God's glory, and you know,
God tells him you cannot see my glory. He says,

(22:20):
but what I'll do, I'll put you up on the
rock and I'll cover your eyes up and when my
glory passes by, I'll let you see my back parts
with the ass plural back parts. So that's kind of
an interesting kind of scripture, like what do you mean glory?
When I pass by, I'll let you see my back parts.

(22:42):
And so Alkimoche would explain that is ufo. So we
definitely believed in you excuse me.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Not in same thing. But but I wasn't thinking something
that made you're reading my mind that because back in
those days, it's like now it's very common and people,
you know, they think that UFOs and gods and stuff
like that, but back in those days was very uncommon.
And was he a student of like a Eric von
Dancin and Charos of the Gods. Did he ever mention
that kind of stuff?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yes? On our reading list, of course, we had the Bible,
which our number one source. But coincident then, coincidentally one
of our reading lists was Eric Vandanaguns Cheerots of the Gods.
So yeah, that was uh. He had several books, Babylon
and tim Buck two by Rudolph windsor Chariot to the
God by Eric van Danagan uh, and there were two

(23:29):
or three other books that were required reading and what
he would do as we got along. He would actually
take those books. I actually worked in the praying press
part of the of the of the group, and we
would actually take the page of the part and we
would basically copy the whole book and put it together
and sell it to each other, you know, sell it

(23:50):
to the members. And that was one of the books.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
How many members were there, well, in.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
The beginning, I think we started out about you know,
when I came in, there was maybe between forty and
sixty people. By the time I left in nineteen eighty five,
we were in most of the cities in America, the
major cities in America, and I would say we were
probably maybe five to eight thousands, maybe more, maybe a

(24:18):
little less, somewhere up in that range. Because every city,
I mean pretty much every major city there was a temple.
I was actually the they had what they had, They
had what they called elders, who he would send to
these cities and their job was to of course get
a temple and get a follow and get a congregation.
And of course all those funds and money are sent

(24:42):
back to Miami's headquarters. But in nineteen eighty three, ak
Moche sent me to Newark, New Jersey, to start a
temple there. I became what they called an elder. I'm
only twenty three years old, but I was labeled an elder.
It was a class. You had to go to, a
class that says, once you passed those classes, you were

(25:03):
sent to a city. So I was assigned. I was
mine you. I'm married now, I have two children. And
when he sends the elders out, he doesn't allow the family,
the children, the wives go. You have to go by yourself,
and he kind of goes only where Jesus talked about
sending his disciples out to the world and sending them
sending them out without money, your food, nothing, just go.

(25:24):
And he would quote the Scripture with says, are we
not more important than the file or the air? If
God takes care of the fish of the sea, then
surely he'll take care of you. So in nineteen eighty
three he gave me a one way bus pass to Newark,
New Jersey, which I had never been there. I had
zero money in my pocket.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Than Miami, right exactly, I had.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I had zero money in my pocket. All I had
was a box of literature. And he said go so uh, Actually,
I've never been there. I didn't know a soul in
the city. I didn't know where I was gonna be staying.
They said there was no reservations. You're gonna stay at
this hotel until you get you know, here's a box
of literature. There's a one way ticket. Go and I did.

(26:14):
So I got off. I remember getting off. I got
there on a Friday night, about nine pm. Got off
in Penn Station in downtown Newark, New Jersey. It was
a cold, cold May night, and I had on long
road sandals and those socks, shoes and sandals, and my
feet were freezing. And he said, my instructions were to

(26:39):
get off the bus when you get there, pass out literature,
ask for donations. You get up enough money, get on
the bus and go to the hood, go to the ghetto,
go to where black people live, and get off and
begin your mission. And that's what I did. I was
actually I went to I got some donations, and I'll

(27:01):
tell you this a quick story. When I got as
I was getting donations inside of the Penn station, I
saw three or four guys, black guys dressed similar to me,
and I smiled and said, oh, I knew they weren't
part of who I was with, but I knew maybe
they could help me or assist me or something, yeah,
close something. Yeah. They were actually members of Malachi York's

(27:24):
group by then. At that time, he was going by
the name of imm Easter. It was a long name.
I don't even know how to say it, but imm
Easter was his name. And they were out of Brooklyn,
New York at the time, Bushwick have And because I
didn't know anything about that, I know that now. But
they came up, and when I tell you they it
costed me. It was like three or four. But one
of them wanted to jump on me. It was a

(27:45):
little little fellow too by my side. But that was
only at twenty three hours, five six, one hundred and
fifteen pounds. So I was a little fellow, you know,
a little pip squeak. So and these guys they surrounded me.
They started interrogating me, what are you about? Who you with?
Let me see that as miniature, you know, And I'm
trying to be nice to them, smiling, I'm trying to

(28:08):
give them my I had a little memorized yahweh speech
that he had told us to memorize. So then when
we meet people, we can say this. It was kind
of a testimony kind of thing. They weren't trying to
hear any of that. They were like, you know, basically
I was actually taking money out of their pockets because
that's where they were payanhandling. So so after sure, after
that little episode, I got up out of there and

(28:30):
I got on the number thirty one bus, I remember
clear as day, and went up. It took me up
what they called South Orange aff and you know, he said,
go to the ghetto. As far as I was concerned,
the whole city was a ghetto to me. It just
looked terrible, like it wasn't sunny like South Florida in
Miami palm trees. It was, you know, brick jungle. So

(28:52):
actually they call it brick city Newark. Uh So I
got on the bus and you know, now it's ten
o'clock and I'm riding and while I'm on the bus,
some lady behind me tapps in my shoulders, a little
black woman, and she asked me, you know what am
I about? What she's you know? And I gave her

(29:13):
some literature and actually we had a little book. We
had a little yellow book. It was yahweh ben Yaway's
I guess his only book if you want to, if
you want to call it a book, but it's paperback.
It was more of a pamphlet, about sixty page pamphlet maybe,
and it was called yeahweh, God of Gods, you are
not a Nigger. Our True History, the World's best Kept Secret.
That was the name of the book. And so I

(29:34):
gave her the book. We usually try to get a
donation before we give the book out, but I gave
her the book and she turned around. She gave me
like three or four dollars. I said, thank you, and
I just continue watching the street as I rode a bus,
and then at some point I said, well, clearly, I know. Now,
clearly I'm in the hood. I'm going to get off.

(29:54):
And mind you, it's cold, it's kind of almost a
little slight rain coming down. It's just nasty outside. But
I got to get out. I got to get off
the bus. So I get off the bus, and coincidentally,
the lady who I gave the book to got off
at the same bus stop, and as we got off,
she asked me where is your church, like where do

(30:15):
you teach at? And I told her actually, I'm just
getting in town and I don't really have a building yet.
And she said she wanted to know when King like
she wanted to she wanted to learn more. I said, well,
I can come to your place and give you a
lesson or something, and she said, can you do it now?
I was like sure. This is a Friday night, ten
o'clock and her apartment was like literally twenty feet from

(30:40):
the bus stop. So we rushed up the steps and yeah,
I was in. There was a nice, comfortable form apartment.
That quick.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I was like, whoa, So you had to think that
was God's provision right exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
That's where I was gonna say this, like that made
me believe that Yahweh ben Yahweh or Akmushet truly was God.
Now by by nineteen eighty three, we weren't calling him
ashe anymore. We were calling him Yashi the Messiah. We
had gotten to the point where he is really the
Jesus that was talked about to come in the Bible.

(31:14):
Now it's open kind of an open deal.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Okay, we're gonna have to take a break down, but
let me ask a question before we go, A real
quick one. Uh did he ever I can understand he
had this incredible charisma, you know, But did he ever
like a drop the veil and you saw like a
real human there or never?

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yes? He did?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Okay, all right, he did. We'll get intoim when you
get back then. Okay, okay, we're here with Khalil Amani.
This is an incredible story. I'm really really enjoying us
the Khalil Amani Reader. That's his website where he blogs
about all diferent kind of stuff. He's really heavily involved to,
by the way, behind the scenes and not even behind
the scenes, in front of the scenes with this whole
Africa bombarda stuff. We're gonna be talking about that as well.

(31:58):
By the way too, this is the same cult he
was involved in that Michael the black Man, Maurice Simonette,
the man you see behind mister Trump. Okay, holding up
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(36:45):
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Speaker 3 (37:00):
I am here.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Okay, you left us off. This woman invites into her home.
And by this time you said that he was calling
himself Jesus. He was saying he was Jesus right, you know.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
He was using the Hebrew form of it, which is
Yeshua the Messiah. And then well he only did that
for maybe about two or three months, and he went
right from there to call himself Yahweh ben Yahweh, which
meaning God, the Son of God. So I remember the
day he did it. He actually called a meeting in

(37:30):
the in the room in the main office, in the
main auditorum. We brought his little he had like like
a recliner. We brought it out to the center of
the auditorum and everybody kind of sat in chairs and
he was very somber, and he says, he just starts
talking and he says, how many of you all know
who I really am? And everybody kind of looked around,

(37:52):
you know, we're thinking, okay, Yeshua moshe kind of you
heard those kind of mumbles and rumbles. And then he
said and then the one brother stood up and said
he just stood up and shouted, that's yahweh right there.
And when he said that, we all immediately kind of
fell out like you would see in a hold inness

(38:12):
church and started prostrating. When we're crying and screaming and
people appeared to be having to catch and the holy ghost,
and when we all kind of just yeah, and he's
and yahweh. So he said that the brother yaw said
you're right, brother, And as he said that, that went
all kind of hell brokess and we went in like
a whole holiness church, chanting and screaming and rolling around

(38:35):
the floor and uh. And that that went off for
like a half hour, and then finally it simmered down.
Once to simmer it down, everybody then complete audience was
on the floor, stretched out, prostrated on their stomachs, and
it was just quiet and silence, and after that he
finally told everybody get up sitting in your chairs, and
then he began on. Then he went to went on

(38:55):
to teach on how he really is Yahweh and not
Yashua or ok Moshet or any of that. Now, mind you,
we never knew at that point. We never knew anything
about his past, like he never would speak on it,
and we never asked. No one ever really asked. It
wasn't until I went to Jersey that there were rumblings

(39:15):
of his past life. I ran into a man that said, oh,
Yahweh been yaw that ain't nobody but Helen Mitchell. I said,
who who Helen Mitchell? He used to be. He used
to be in the Nation of Islam. He used to
be the minister in Atlanta. And for some strange reason,
I didn't believe him, because I actually felt that at
that time, I was under the impression and just kind

(39:36):
of believed that maybe he came from heaven or you know,
no one knew, so I blew it off. But I
began to hear that over the you know, over the
couple of years while I was still in there, that
he was a he's a Nation of Islam. Reject but
no one was ever going to walk up to Yaweiben

(39:59):
Yahweh and says, Yahweh ben Yahweh, I heard you were
in a nation of Islam. Hell no, that you already knew,
because he actually would quote scriptures about that, this son
of Man, this Messiah figure. It says in the Bible
that he would not speak of himself, but would show
you things to come. So he said it on several occasions,

(40:20):
I don't speak at myself. And he said, if anyone
comes up to you and says they knew they knew
me when I was a Christian, you tell him did
you know me when I was a Muslim? Did you
know me when I was a Buddhist? Did you know
me when I was this He just kind of went
through all the religions and basically implied that he had
partaked in all of the world religions at some point

(40:40):
in his journey to become Yahweh ben Yahweh. So and
so here we go, I mean, and now I'm in
Newark in nineteen eighty three, back to the story, and
I'm there. I ended up, you know, teaching that lady
that night, and I ended up staying with her. She
asked me, was I going to stay? And I was like,

(41:01):
I don't really have a place. So she ended up
after a little bit of arguing because I said, I
sleep on the couch. She said, no, You're got to
sleep in my bed, so she slept on the couch.
I slept on the bed in the bed, and that
was my home. Not for too long, because it quickly
turned into something more than more than teaching. She wanted
to be. I guess, curse, don't I remember I'm married.

(41:25):
I got a wife in Miami. But just to go
back while I was in Miami before I went to Newark,
Yawi ben Yaweh. Every Saturday morning he would read. He
would give us an update on what the other elders
were doing in the different cities, and he would talk
about who raised the most money, and then he would
go into talking about different elders that were taking multiple wives.

(41:48):
We believed in polygamy, although Yahweh ben Yaweh said we
shouldn't practice it here in America because we're not ready to.
But that is part of who we are, that's part
of the laws. Blah blah blah. But some elders who
were married and had wives in Miami, began to take
why a wife or wives in different cities. So any
Saturday morning, you could hear him, you and he'd go

(42:11):
Elder Dan in Atlanta, and we'd all look over at
his wife while he's talking. He just took wife number three,
and we all kind of laugh and laugh and shout,
and of course we're looking at the wife, and the
wife is had that look on her face whenever someone
did something that you didn't really like but you really
couldn't sent it about the standard. The standard retort was

(42:34):
praise yahweh and stuff, and so uh, that's what she
was doing. I actually had my own bout with the
with the polygamy thing before I went to Newark, where
I had a young woman that came at me and
was saying, we began to flirt. Me and my wife
we for some reason, we just weren't talking anymore, and sexually,

(42:55):
we weren't doing anything no more for like months, and
you know, I began, I'm mind you, I'm twenty three,
I'm still a young man, hormones raging. And I began
to look at this other young girl, maybe she was
nineteen to twenty and nothing nothing, ever happened, but it
came to the point where she actually went to Yahweh
Ben Yahweh and said, I'm interested in brother Yehudah. Yehudah

(43:17):
was my Hebrew name, and he said, oh, really. So
one day he called a meeting of myself, this girl,
and my wife, which she had no clue about this situation,
and he got us together and he said, well, sister Malkaw,
which is my wife, sister Amana, the other girl wants

(43:41):
to marry your husband. What do you think about that?
And of course she gave the standard praise Yahweh, and
then so Yahweh Ben Yahweh said, well, you know, it's
part of our laws. So what I'm going to do
is for the next couple of weeks, I want y'all
to sit together in dinner time and get to know
each other and was see how things go from there.

(44:03):
And so here we're now. We're having dinner and breakfast together,
not really breakfast, but dinner, the three of us. Very
awkward situation. No one's talking because we don't know what
to talk. You know, I'm twenty three, my wife is
twenty two, this girl's probably twenty. There are three kids.
We don't know what the hell's going on, but we're
sitting with each other. And now I have two kids

(44:26):
and this girl she has a daughter, So three kids
and three of us, and it's just a very awkward situation.
And during the evening times, yeahwe'h been yahweh used to
let make me drive this little van to take some
of the workers home who didn't live in the temple,
and she was one of them. That's kind of how
we started flirting. So one night, my wife decides she's

(44:50):
tired of me driving this woman home in beautiful, romantic
Miami by night, and decide she's going to go on
the ride with us. And she leaves our daughter at
the temple in the room by herself. My daughters at
the time two, oh, my god, two or three. Yeah,

(45:12):
just leaves in the room. So while we're going, while
we're drive, I had no clue. All I know was
that I figured that she's given our child to somebody
to watch. And now my wife she hasn't had our
second child, that's right, she's she's about eight, about seven
eight months pregnant. So she's on the bus with us,
and so when we get back to the temple, the

(45:34):
baby is missing. Our baby not in the room. Evidently
the baby woke up and was crying. Somebody heard it
and came in and took the baby. So uh the
baby Yahweh Ben Yahweh actually had our child. And of
course the next class we had, he he got, he said,

(45:54):
he first thing he got. He scolded my wife for
leaving the child unattended. And then he's said, I'm going
to fix this thing right now. It was a Sunday
and he said, where is sister Amana. That's the young
girl that was trying to marry me. And they said
she's out by the outside doing something. Bring her in
here and they so she comes in and Yavi Ben

(46:18):
always says, sister a mana, if you want to where
if you want to marry brother, you who to go?
Stand next to him? Me. Now, me and my wife
we weren't We were in the congregation, but we were
on opposite ends of the room for whatever reason. So
she comes over and stands by me like, oh my,
I'm thinking, please don't come over here, but she does.
So yahwe Ben y always says, it's done, it's finished.

(46:39):
You're his wife. And then he tells my wife, you
go over there and join him and hug and of
course the congregation is going crazy, bunkers crazy with the
you know, cut between clapping and laughing and just hysteria.
Because this is the first time that a polygamous relationship
has been done at h quarters, at the main lab.

(47:01):
All the other ones were done around the country, so
I'm the first one that has a polygamous situation right
there at headquarters. So everybody's going crazy screaming. My wife
comes over and he makes three of us hug and
he says, you all are married. So that was my
polygamous situation. It only lasted about a couple of weeks.

(47:22):
We never consummated. We never had sex, me and the
girl because what at the time, my wife was due
to have a child any day now, so I didn't
want to be laid up at some woman's house having
sex while my wife was going into labor. So I
told her, look, it's gonna have to wait to have
this child's born, blah blah blah. And this young girl
was pressuring me like every night, like we're gonna have sex.

(47:43):
You my husband, We're gonna have sex. And then up
I ended up going and finding yahweh ben Yawey in
the hallway and says, please, can you'll know this relationship.
I'm not ready for no second wife. And then in
class later on he actually did that, he said that
we're not married anymore. So that was that situation.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
It's just crazy way I ran into them in the hallway.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I ran into the hallway temple. The temple. The headquarters
was a It was a big ass warehouse that was
converted into an auditorium and then there's a petition wall
and on the other side there were like we called
them offices, but they were actually bedrooms because we were

(48:29):
living in a we were living in a commercial zone,
which you're not supposed to be sleeping in commercial buildings.
So way back in the beginning, we had the fire department.
Fire marshs would come randomly to see if people were
living there. So on each on each apartment door, it
was a science had office and we actually had tables
and desks and stuff in there. We kind of knew

(48:51):
when they were coming, so we would re arranged so
when they came to it kind of looked like a
bunch of offices, but really we were living there. Now,
you these little offices that we had bedrooms to say that,
Let's just say the celing was twelve foot, but the
walls only went up the sheet rock walls only went
up to about maybe say eight or nine feet, so

(49:13):
sound can jump from one room to the other. So
things like having sex was a problem. Like you had
to be really really quiet because you want to you know,
everybody can hear you, and even just even just conversations. Uh,
it was just there was just no room for privacy.
And I'll tell you this one story too before we
go further. The first time I got beat up beat

(49:36):
by at the request of Yahweh Ben Yahweh. So one
Friday night, Yahweh Ben Yahweh had on Friday nights he
would have what they call mid midwife class where he
would take a bunch of sisters in his office and
it was very secretive and very private, and they were
learning things about being a midwife, how to deliver children.
And my wife was part of that of that group.

(49:58):
So one night after the midwife class, me and her
and we had She had a cousin that was part
of the group. Her biological cousin was part of the group.
They sitting there with fear of us and they were
making some little jokes about the size of cucumbers. Uh.
They were giggling and laugh and snickering, and it was

(50:21):
something with something that had happened in midwife class that
I wasn't privy to, but they were kind of making
the joke in front of me, and it was kind
of pissing me off. It was kind of getting under
my skin. First thing, it was the Sabbath, and you know,
on the Jewish Sabbath, we don't have sex, and we
don't even talk about sex. So they were kind of
having unrighteous, in my mind, an unrighteous conversation. And I

(50:43):
was kind of a little jealous because they were talking
about cucumbers and sizes, and to me, basically they were
comparing the sizes of men's dicks or something. I don't
know what what it was about, but that's the gist
of it. So the lady that night, I tell my wife,
I said, what was that conversation? Nobody. It wasn't like
in the argument. It was more of a conversation that
I was having with my wife, and she got really

(51:04):
upset and pissed that I was asking her about her
midwife business. And so straightway she gets up and goes
and finds Yahweh Ben Yahweh. Now it's about ten or
eleven o'clock at night, finds him and tells him that
I was up in their business. Now I don't know this.
I don't know this, but that's what she does. Maybe

(51:26):
about midnight, there's a knocking the door where all the
full time workers are told to meet in the auditorum
in five minutes in the cafeteria in five minutes. So
we all met, maybe about fifty six nobody probably was
aout one hundred of us. We all met in the
auditoram at midnight, and no one and I've pretty much

(51:46):
forgot about our little conversation now, freaking I don't know
what's going on. But so we're in there. Yaweh been ya.
He was in there. He miles, he's saws when he's
looking around the cafeteria, he's looking at everybody. He's telling
us about the wonderful works of Yahweh and what's going
on with the nation and the things we're doing. And
then he stops and he gets stands right next to

(52:08):
me where I'm sitting and puts his hand on my
shoulder and says, what do you think about her brother
who's worried about the size of another man's penis. And
when he said that, the arditorm bust out laughing. Everybody
saves me, so I knew what this twelve o'clock meeting

(52:28):
was about. And from there he proceeds to say, brother
ya Huda myself. So I hear you've been stressing your wife.
You've been talking to asking about her business and stuff,
and I'm like just sitting there. He's like, you haven't
been following the order for a while. I have no

(52:50):
clue what he meant by that, but he was making
up stuff. So he tells the sister Judith, who was
the second in command, his common law wife, but he
doesn't he doesn't claim her as a wife, but that's
what she was. Go get that paddle, and so she
go get the paddle and he says, brother Judah, I
want you to go. He says, stand up. So I

(53:12):
stand up, and he puts the chair in the middle
of everybody. He says, I want you to try to
sit down in that chair. So I go and sit
down in the chair. He goes, no, I said try
to sit down, So I stand up, and now I
sit down again. He says, no. He makes me stand up.
He says, do you understand? Try to try it means

(53:35):
to fail. So okay, okay, whatever. So I'm looking crazy,
he said. Now I want you to bend over that chair.
I want you to bend over. He says. I want
every sister in here who can swing a paddle to
line up. I'd say there was probably thirty sisters there,
he said, I don't care if you're five years old
or a hundred. If you can swing a paddle, get

(53:56):
in line. He says, I would let the others whoop
your ass. But you were in the college fraternity. You've
been through hell night, you could take that kind of stuff,
which is true, he said. But I'm gonna humiliate you.
I'm gonna let the sisters take care of you. So
about thirty sisters lined up, starting with my wife. She said,
each one of you get three licks apiece. Yea, my wife, clearly,

(54:23):
I sally on her face. She did not mean it
for her to go here, but here it is. So
she paddles me three times. They weren't that hard, and
then sister Judas she tried to. She really tried to
leave that board up my ass. I could tell, but
she didn't know I was swinging, so she was actually
hitting me on my lower back and missing. But there
were but there were some women that could swing it.
Oh yeah, So by the time and there were some

(54:46):
you know, there were some seven year olds. So by
the time all thirty or so women you know, got
done with me, that those ninety or so licks had
multiplied and added up. But really is hurting like it's
on fire. So after that, after that, everybody goes to

(55:07):
their room and I just lay on the floor, on
the floor of the cafeteria, balling, just falling, just crying.
They just left me laying there and he said, everybody
go to bed, and he didn't say nothing to me,
just left me there, even flud to My wife left me.
So I'm laying there, pitch black, dark lights of everything.
I'm laying there, and probably about half hour later, my

(55:30):
wife comes and she says, yo, let's go to bed,
and so I get up and she washed me to
my bed, washed me turn, she addresses me and she
looks at my button and she says, you know, it's whelking.
She says, she's sorry. And now mind you again, it's
the Sabbath night. It's the Sabbath, but you don't have

(55:51):
sex on Sabbath. But we end up having sex sex
that night, and she's crying while we're having sex, and
she's kind of saying, to whoever, God or whatever, I
just loved this man. I just loved this man, and
that at that moment, I knew that our relationship was
pretty much just about over. It was you know, I
could never trust her again because her her allegiance was

(56:15):
not to me. He was to Yahweh bin Yahweh.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Now had you seen other men or women getting beat
like that before?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yes? Before? Yeah? Oh absolutely, yeah, there was a there
were some there were there had been brothers and since
who had been beat in Maine. Uh, not as many
licks as I took, but gotten paddled for a little indiscretions. Uh.
One time a woman was made to take off her
the whole top of her bra, everything, brush showing exposed
to everybody, and hit over a switch over the back. Uh.

(56:46):
He was brutal. He was brutal in his uh, in
his methodology when he came to punishment, and even his
own family members, he would do dirty. You know, Michael,
a black man, he could tell these stories. But of
course he's not going to He's.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Not going like that. Did he ever get a beaten.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
No, not him, but his brother did. Now his brother,
to this very date is very second is my best friend.
He's closer to me than my own brothers are. His brother.
It is closer to me, uh than he is to him.
But as far as Michael is a black man, he
was he he he he kept his nose clean. He

(57:26):
didn't really he was an elder. But he never got
sent out out of town to do anything. He was
just kind of one of the flunkies at at headquarters.
We all were flunkies, you know. Of course we had
back in eighty one. We're going back before I went
back to kind of jumped ahead before I went to Jersey.
There were a couple of people that were actually killed.

(57:47):
One guy beheaded. There was an incidents where yahweh ben
yahweh uh was this is when he was in the
early stage of them teaching that he was somebody special. Uh.
There was a there was a group led by an
elderly not elder. I was in my twenties. He probably
was in his forties, gentleman who was from Jamaica and

(58:08):
he was pretty biblically smart, and he just wasn't having
the ideal that Yahweh ben Yahweh Okmochet was someone special,
someone spoken of in the scriptures. He wasn't having it,
and he began to talk to certain people and was
saying that Yahwei Benyad was deviating from the scripture, trying
to insert himself into the scriptures. He just wasn't having it.

(58:30):
And so, long story short, there began to be a
rift among It may have been maybe ten or fifteen
people that just weren't just weren't having it, so they
stopped coming to the whole class and were teaching a
class at another in someone's home or whatever. Meanwhile, Yahweh
bn Yahweh started a lecture of classes about the hypocrite

(58:52):
must die. He even had some literature printed out. I
remember it was in November of nineteen eighty where he
talked about the hypocrite must die. We're talking about them.
I mean he talked hard and said, you know, basically
told us if we catch him, kill him. You know,
he didn't he said it encoded word and used the
Bible to say it. But we got the message that

(59:14):
we caught these guys. They have to go. So an
incident happened back in eighty one where I happened to
be standing guard. All the men who lived in the
temple had to do a to hour guard duty, so
it was my guard duty time. You just basically sat
at the front desk. We had a four year area,

(59:34):
you said, at the front desk, and if anyone came up,
you greet them, ask them what they wanted. So up
drives one of the so called hypocrites. His name was Elijah.
Now Elijah was probably yea I says, six feet maybe
close to two hundred pounds. Again, I'm five six one ten,
you know, because we had a special diet. We ate

(59:55):
we one mill a day which consisted of beans, rice, bread,
and water. One time of day that was it, no meat.
So I was very skinny, very skinny. So up comes
this big old guy, Elijah, which I knew him, he
knew me, and he asked to speak with Okmoche. And

(01:00:16):
I greeted him at the front door. And I knew
that Alkmoche wasn't there because I saw him when him
and his secretary left. So I asked him what did
he want? He said, I want to he said Jamaican accident.
I wanted to speak with Okmosche. I said, well, he's
not here, so he kind of left. He got to
his car and realized that he left his bible. He
had a bible with him. He left the Bible in

(01:00:38):
the temple with me. So he came back in. He
came back in there, but befween the time he came
up to get his bible, I went and got a
couple of brothers, one brother in particular who was the
head of the whole nation security. His name was Enoch Israel,
probably six', five three hundred, pounds just an intimidating. FELLOW

(01:00:59):
i told him that the guy was, outside AND i,
said he's coming. Up he's coming back to get his.
Bible so when he came, Back enoch had rounded up
maybe eight or nine ten, guys and we're all in
the foyer together with this. Guy and he, Says enoch,
says you want to talk To Auk. Moche he, says,
YES i would to talk WITH. Amochi so he, says come.

(01:01:22):
On so we kind of surrounded him and we walked
him back. Through, now if you, know our temple was
kind of a maze of corridors and, hallways we walked him,
back and as we got halfway to wherever they were,
Going enoch tells, me BECAUSE i was a security guy
on duty that, day he, says go to the side door.

(01:01:42):
Post AND i don't know why he told me to do,
that BECAUSE i was at the front. Door SO i
make a bee line and quick, right AND i go
down to another hall and go to the side. Door
the side. Door when you open, it it leads out
to just the side of the out of the, temple
which is a gated area and there's stuff that goes

(01:02:03):
on in the, backside construction or, whatever but it's a society.
Area SO i go staying there and they continue on.
Back NOW i know where they're, going BECAUSE i don't
even know. That it's only one place they could be,
going and that's to the very back and where there's
a loading. Dock our, temple, remember used to be a
warehouse and it has that big gate where you can

(01:02:24):
rise up where eighteen wheeler trucks can pull up to
unload goods and. Service you. Know so they're going back
to the loading dock and sure enough to go back,
there and next thing you, KNOW i hear thumps and
bumps and grunts and moans and you, know just. Activity
SO i know they're probably giving him the business beating them.

(01:02:47):
Up so my curiosity got the best of, me SO i.
TIPTOE i tiptoed, back AND i want TO i don't
want the brothers to see me Because i've already been
given an order WHERE i should. Be SO i creep
around the. CORNER i stie on the. CORNER i, see sure,
ENOUGH i see this Guy. Elijah he's on the, ground
AND i see my so Called hebrew brothers just pummel.

(01:03:11):
Him i'm talking foot, stumps maybe a hammer. Objects they
are really taking it to. Him so ONCE i realize
what's going, ON i hurry back to my. Post and
So i'm at my post, now heart racing a mile
in a. Minute you, KNOW i remember getting teary, eyed
my mouth is. Dry you, Know i'm. Scared you, know yahwevn.

(01:03:34):
Yahweh had talked about this, stuff BUT i didn't know
IF i believed that it would actually. Happen But i'm
thinking they're gonna kill. It they're gonna kill that. Guy
so HERE i am at my, post And michael the
Black man was one of, them just so you, know
he was one of them back there because he was
full time with. Me we as a matter of, Fact
i'm the one who Bought michael the Black man into

(01:03:54):
the cold to see put that on the. Record, Okay
so so after that they wrap him. Up now we
had this green carpet that we had carpeted the temple,
with so we had some extra green carpet back there
and masking. Tape so next thing you, know here they
come and they're carrying him and then they go buy.

(01:04:16):
Me NOW i know Why i'm at the side. Door
they tell me to open the. Door SO i opened
the door and they carry his body by. Me he's
still alive BECAUSE i can hear him grunting and, moaning
but his head is covered with is. Wrapped his head
is wrapped in some green carpet with masking tape that's
wrapped around his carpet to hold it in. Place And,

(01:04:38):
enoch who was the head of, security he drove this
big nineteen on stage seventy five Forward galaxy four door big.
Car he pulls it up to the back, door opens
the unlocks his trunk and they throw the Guy elijah
into the trunk and the lie and Then enoch and
two other brothers get inside the, car they get a.

(01:05:00):
Machete they throw the machete in the back, seat and
off they, go and they're gone About i'm gonna say
hour two. Hours so while they're, gone Alf moche comes,
back so, immediately of, course when he pulls out myself
and two other. Brothers as a matter of, fact it was.
Myself it was a brother named Brother, joseph And michael

(01:05:21):
the black. Man the three of us we Pulled Yahwebn
yahweh to the. Corner we tell him what, transpired and he's,
like Praise. Yahweh yahweh's killing our. Enemies Praise. Yahweh and that's.
That he goes in and we just kind of we go.
Back we actually clean up this blood and this stuff
in the. Back we actually clean up the. Blood we

(01:05:43):
take acid or bleach or, something and we clean the.
Area and so they come back and we See Yahweh
Ben yahweh talking to those three guys who had taken him,
out AND i guess they're giving him the details of
what they. Did, so of, course the next day or,
so it's reported in the paper that a jogger finds

(01:06:07):
a body without a head on the outskirts of The.
Everglades all this is on the, internet you can google.
It so that Was. Elijah So elijah was beheaded and
from there the people that were against, us that were former,
members they began to go into. Hiding of, Course elijah's

(01:06:28):
roommate was killed maybe a week or so, later and
the roommate's the roommate's. Girlfriend she even cut by machete and.
Shot they thought she was, dead but she survived and the,
government the government put her in The Winn's protection. Program
she wasn't able to see who her attackers were because
they had on, masks BUT i knew they Were, amory

(01:06:50):
guy Named amory and a guy Named. Dan they were karate.
Experts they took care of that. Situation, so you, know
as a full time, worker you were privy to a
lot of. Stuff you, know just because you were full time.
Worker the walls have, eyes so to, speak in, years
so you hear things and see. Things so there began
to be several other murders during that. Time this is

(01:07:12):
the early eighty. One this is WHORE i go To. Newark,
now While i'm In, NEWYARK i finally established a. TEMPLE
i got a little congregation twenty thirty people following, me
AND i get a phone call first from my. Wife
now by now we're missing each other terribly because we're
not around each. Other so she called, me she, says
and she tells me about the incident where there's this

(01:07:34):
guy Named Leonard. Duprees he's a karate expert himself From New.
Orleans evidently he took some scissors and was threatening a
sister to stablish something inside the temple for whatever. Reason
so somebody went. Ran they went and Got Yahweh Ben
yahweh and all the brothers that happened to be in
the buildings of the. Time they. Went they got the

(01:07:55):
guy in one of our rooms and they surrounded them
And Yahweh Ben yawei asked him point blank are you
here to kill? Me and the guy supposedly, said this
is what my wife is telling on the phone because
she was, there and he, Said i'm here to worship.
You and then he Yah byawi continues to prompt him
LIKE i heard you're a karate, expert blah blah. Blah he, says,

(01:08:16):
WELL i have a karate expert here, Too so he
calls brother Brother, amory who who's a karate expert of
black building in kung. Fu so he, said you can fight.
Him so they square. Off and this guy From New,
orleans we just happened to come down because to. Visit
he knocks Out amory with one. PUNCH i am told,

(01:08:39):
like it wasn't even a fight, like so they square it. Off,
WOW i heard he was like fifth in the world
in here the vision or something like that in. Karate,
anyway he knocks out Yahweh Ben yahwi's. Guy so as
he does, THAT i auld Bee. Hive they descend upon
him and they beat him, up And michael the Black

(01:08:59):
man was there for. That as a matter of, Fact
michael the Black man was the one that took the
to uh think it was a tire jack and gouged
out his. Eye he went and got a tire jack
and gouge out the guy's, eye and, uh he was.
Beaten and my wife was. There ye made everyone who was,
there whether it was a child or whether it was a,

(01:09:20):
wind put hands on that body so that if anyone
went in and, told they would be in themselves because
you and guy. Murdered as a matter of, Fact Ya
Ben yahwei's biological. Sister she was there AND i heard
she was crying as stirbily because she didn't want to
take part in, it and he made her go kick the.

(01:09:40):
Body so everybody put the hands on the, body and
of course they got rid of. Him and that's that
story that happened WHILE i was In, NewYork New. Jersey
so criminality was was part of the Colt Uh Yahweh
Ben yahweh had a thing that he would say based on,
scripture and that was when anyone messaged with, us and
once we kill, him we're not going to try to

(01:10:02):
hide the body and all that. Stuff he wanted all
the people to hear and fear and he would based
that on some. Scripture that's why when the guy was,
beheaded he was found right, away right on the side
of the. Road he wasn't like they could have buried his,
body you, know it could have gotten rid of. Him
but that's not The. Yahweh. Wait we want you to,

(01:10:22):
know well you can't prove, it but we want you
to believe that it was us that took care of the.
Business so that was a common. Theme and so in
y'all In, miami you had people as you went, around
we'd go around soliciting donations and. Stuff people would, say
you go, YAHWEH i go my. Way that was a
common thing you heard all the time because people were.

(01:10:45):
Afraid Pretty much every black person In, miami or most
black people In, miami had some relative that was hooked
up with the, sect with the cult and had heard the.
Things even the black, politicians they had heard the rumors
of the, behead heard all the stuff that was going
they had heard the criminality that was going. On so

(01:11:05):
let's go up to nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
FIVE i just want to stuck in one second because
people need to. Know when you keep Saying michael the black,
man you're talking About Maurice, simonette the man who stands
behind The president of The United states Of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
America, absolutely the man who stood behind The president of
The United, States michael the black. Man maurice his real
name Is Maurice woodsy Aka Maurice. Siminette. Right i've known
him since nineteen seventy. Seven we used to go to
an after school program At Miami Northwestern High school Called,
payback which is performing in visual. Arts he AND i

(01:11:38):
were both actors back, then And i've known him since.
Then ONCE i joined the. Fraternity he was a year
ahead of. ME i graduated seventy. Eight he graduated seventy.
Seven he joined The alpha Fyle O mega fraternity the
next YEAR i. Joined he had a hand in whooping
my butt and his brother's butt as part of The playge.
Program so we are brothers in that. Way and THEN

(01:12:01):
i introduced him to The yahweh six through literature and
he became a. Member so that's the same guy that's
standing Behind President trump and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Then trump thumbs up and. Murderer he gives his thumbs
up and he says blacks For. TRUMP i love.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Him m, YEAH i.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Know and by the way, TOO i just had him
on the. Show he never mentioned, you, MAN i.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Knew.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
You and he, says oh That lloyd is your? Name Lloyd,
okay look. Yeah then he Mentioned i'll sell you that
he knows.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Me my my biological birth name Was Lloyd.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Clark Lloyd cluk Knows Lloyd.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Clark that's what he.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Said, okay so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
You know he should have told you he's Doing Lloyd
clark is the one responsible respons for me join joining
The yahweh.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
GROUP i don't think he said, that but he was just. Yelling.
Man he was just so angry and hews we were
doing the. Interview he was sitting in a parked car
in a parking. Line he starts fighting with somebody in the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Park on the, show he starts fighting with somebody in
the parking.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Lot some guy was backing up his car too closed to.
Him he starts yelling at the guy in the parking.
Lot oh but, anyway let's just move. On let's move.
On we don't have that much, time so keep.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Going this is, great, Great, so, uh we're gonna move
up to my leaving the. Cold how about?

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
That well, okay well those the only murder though there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Were no no they were there, Were they were reported
about fifteen of. THEM i can't even go do all. Them,
Basically i'll just tell you what happened was Yahwe Ben
yahweh started this group called this not The circle Of,
ten but The. Brotherhood to be a member of The,
brotherhood you had to go out and either kill a
white person and bring back as proof the head or

(01:13:43):
the ear of that white. Person so you had people
that were going. Out the most notorious among them is
Near Ai, israel who became the so called star witness
in the trial because he flipped and you, know basically
told told what he did and told that he was
doing answer at the request Of Yahweh Ben. Yahweh but

(01:14:06):
there were no they were five thirteen forty fifteen other.
Murders people were bringing back, ears heads of, people and
there were black people that were killed who just happened
to get in the way of situations and they had
to go. Too so as for, ME i never got
my hands bloody WOULD i have killed For Yahweh Ben. Yahweh,

(01:14:27):
ABSOLUTELY i was as brainwashed as anybody. THERE i was
just there to do whatever he wanted me to. Do
but he always would tell me and others even, more
Even michael The Black, man, Me michael The Black, man
and his brother and a couple. Others he looked at
us as his spiritual. Sons we were all full time,
workers we were young, kids and he kind of kept

(01:14:48):
us close to his, hip and he allowed other guys
who he word wasn't that close to go out and
do those kinds of. Crimes we just were close to,
This we were close to. It we were on the
periphery of all that. Craziness so in nineteen eighty four
nineteen eighty, five by nineteen eighty, FIVE i. Was i'm

(01:15:09):
five years in, now And i'm pretty much knowing that
it's a. Cult Yahweh Ben yahweh is not who he
says he. Is i've seen all the stuff he's been,
doing AND i know that my time to be in
the cult is near to get. Out but knowing the
mindset of a person in the, cult it's kind of

(01:15:30):
like BEING i always tell people it's like being in
the bad Or it's like a woman who's in a
bad relationship with a man and the man's cheating on,
her the man's beating, her the man's cheating her all
kind of, way but for some reason she won't leave the.
Man and that's the same kind of. Mentality you know
all this is, wrong BUT i guess you could call
it a form Of stockholm syndrome where you begin to
love the. Abuser AND i love the man even THOUGH

(01:15:53):
i knew that he was abusive towards, me towards my,
family towards a lot of. People and then he had
a lot of people, murdered beat including. Myself so my
getting out. Happened we had this program where we had
to go out every evening and collect bottles not click,
bottle collect donations and bring back a minimum of ten dollars,

(01:16:14):
donation which is kind of easy to, get but it's
actually hard In miami because we had so saturated the
ghettos Of miami that people just weren't giving us. Money
so if you didn't get, it you were let into
a room called The room Of. Understanding basically it was
the cafeteria that had been converted to this so called chamber,

(01:16:36):
torture chamber of. Sorts SO i failed to make my
ten dollars, quota and of COURSE i was sent straight
until The room Of. Understanding so when you get in
The room Of, understanding that makes you get on. Yours
it's a carpet, floor but there's no it's like outdoor.
Carpeting it's just there's no padding under. It you get,
in you get in the, room you kneel down your,

(01:16:58):
knees and while you're on your, knees you're there for.
Knowing you don't know how long you're gonna be there
could be an, hour could be a. Day but the
pain of kneeling on your knees on that floor with
concrete right up under that little pink. Carpet if the
pain sets in within five. Minutes within ten, minutes your

(01:17:21):
knees are on. Fire within a half, hour you're. Sweating
you basically at your breaking point of how much you can. Take.
Now mind, you while you're in, there there are guards
that have these big. Sticks if you fall over and
try to give yourself some, relief you're going to get
swatted over the head or back with a. Stick and
there are men and women in, there and. Children and

(01:17:43):
So i'm in there And i'm on my. Knees half
hour go, BY i fully understand the. Pain After i'm in,
there an hour goes, By i'm. Numb now people are,
crying people are. Whiling but for, me it was my,
epiphany LIKE i knew that once this was, OVER i

(01:18:07):
was out of. THERE i couldn't just get up and
leave because they would probably kill me IF i tried
to get. Up BUT i knew that once this ordeal is,
OVER i am. Out and so two hours went, by
And i'm, ACTUALLY i don't know If i'm smiling on the,
outside But i'm definitely smiling on the inside because the,
PAIN i don't even the pain doesn't even, matter BECAUSE
i know That i'm. Done When i'm, done and so

(01:18:29):
after two hours they say you can, go so before
you can get, up and you just can't get up
off your. Knees after then two, hours you got to
lay there for about twenty five minutes and let the
blood get back in your, legs and you, know all
the pain comes to the four then because you're trying
to get. Up so ONCE i got, UP i went

(01:18:49):
and found my wife AND i told. HER i, said,
Look i'm, leaving and NOW i have two kids, there
AND i KNOW i know she's not ready to. Go
she hadn't handle of any. Epiphany she's not ready to,
go AND i KNOW i can't take my. Kids besides,
THAT i don't even know Where i'm, going SO i
KNOW i can't take the. KIDS i just tell, her,
LOVER i got to. GO i, said please give me

(01:19:09):
an hour or a half hour head start before you
tell somebody That i'm. Gone and SO i get. UP
i by Now i'm. STAYING i don't take anything with.
Me ALL i have is my, robe head, wrap WHATEVER
i got. ON i. Walk it's probably ten eleven o'clock at.
NIGHT i walk down Because i'm not staying at the main.
Building i'm staying in another. Building Because yaowei Been yawi
at this, time he took my wife from. Me he

(01:19:31):
separated me from my. Wife So i'm sleeping somewhere. Else
SO i walk Like i'm going to that little dormitory
place where WHERE i. Live AND i hit a side.
STREET i just start running AND i run right and,
RUN i, RUN i run UNTIL i get to a main,
street which is twenty Seventh, avenue which is a main thoroughfare.
There and the first bus that, COMES i jump on

(01:19:53):
the mind, YOU i don't have a dime in my,
pocket and for some reason he waves me. By he
doesn't even. Ask he waves me, by AND i go
to the back of the. Bus and AS i AS
i was, RUNNING i tore off my, TURBAN i took
off my. ROBE i had A t shirt under and
so NOW i just got on his white pants and
a WHITE t. Shirt AND i get on the back
of the bus AND i Just i'm headed toward WHERE

(01:20:15):
i grew, up which is Called Carol. City and BASICALLY
i just put my head down and cried pretty much
all the way To Carol. City AND i get off
the bus probably around, midnight AND i had nowhere to.
GO i went to my dad's house WHERE i thought he.
Lived of course we hadn't talked in a couple of.
Years he had, moved so couldn't go. THERE i ended

(01:20:37):
up standing in abandoned car that, night and the next
MORNING i was able to contact my. Brother he came
and got, me and he took me to my father's
condominium and he allowed me to stay there to get
my life back on. Track that's that's HOW i left the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Cold wait before before he got too. Far wasn't there
something in the colt where a woman died and they
were praying to bring her back from the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
DEAD i didn't hear that story that might have.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Been after you, left BECAUSE i THINK i think that's
why Why michael the Black man's brother no longer talks
and his brother left the colt.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Right, Right, well if you're talking about his, mother his
mother died BEFORE i. Left and basically, now his mother
was probably in her mid, fifties pushing. Sixty she her
stomach had gotten really. Large she was a slim, woman
but her stomach got. Big And Yahwi Bin yahweh at
first said that she was, pregnant right and so, well

(01:21:34):
she wasn't, pregnant she was getting. SICK i don't know
why she, died But i'm thinking something along the lines
of stomach cancer or something to that. Effect But. Yahweh
But michael the Black man and his brother were on.
Tour they both sing. Too they were on tour With
Yahwi Ben yahweh when they got to notice that she
had passed. Away I'm i'm out of the colt by, now,
right but they're still. In and that's how they found

(01:21:58):
out In atlanta that their mother had. Died and from
WHAT i, understand that was the only time That michael
the Black man actually said something negative towards Yahwe Ben,
yahweh something like. That nigga could have told us that
she was dying or something something to that. Effect and
after she, Died Yahwei Ben yahweh made the family come
get the. Body and when the funeral came, Up michael

(01:22:22):
the Black man could not go and did not go
and needed his. BROTHER i went to his mother's. Funeral
so you asked about that next?

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Thing, NO i don't think he's coming back. Then but
now what About, well you're at your father's. House now
do you go to THE? Fbi what? Happened how does
that come?

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
About So, Okay so what happened IS i began to
just try to ingratiate myself back into. Society first by
getting a. JOB i started going back to Little Junior
college THAT i was a part, of AND i was
as a teenager and a young, MAN i was a.
DANCER i huld do like, ballet, jazz modern and street.

(01:22:57):
DANCING i was a. Dancer SO i joined the dance
group At Miami dade and, they, uh they ran a
piece on me out there at the college About yahweh
dancer returns to To Miami dade and THAT i, KNOW
i know that got back to them that they kind
of saw THAT i was getting on my. Feet so
the word was THAT i was, gay THAT i had.

(01:23:18):
AIDS i don't know why they came up with. All
SO i guess being a, dancer dancers males tend to be,
gay SO i had to be, Gay so that's kind
of the. Logic BUT i was doing my thing AND
i actually thought, that you, know we were. Racist we
were a racist group that did not believe that white
people were the. Devils now here comes one Of Yahweh
Ben yahweh's spiritual sons. Myself Now i'm dating a white.

(01:23:41):
Woman and that's and they see that because they see
me in the. Community they saw, me they saw, me
and they see me in the. Malls and it gets.
BACK i went to A Luther vandraws concert with this
white woman and she was, fine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Wells, Right, WELL i took her to The Van draws
and that, day that night at the, show lo and
behold there's Fifteen yahweh's in all white at the.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Show and the reason why they were there is because the,
guy his name Was Gideon. Israel he's dead, now But
Giddon israel is the first cousin Of Yahweh. Bn Yahweh
israel also was a former member of the group The
Canoeist brothers And Sister. Rose they had two major hits

(01:24:33):
out cheat her like a lady and too late to turn.
Back now in the, Seventies i'm sure you've heard of
them just on the. Radio. Bigots This Giddon israel was
friends Of Louther. Vandross so he took fifteen of his,
people all, white and they were down, front like front.
Rope you saw, this see if white, people white white

(01:24:56):
robes down, front and they saw me and this white
woman at. It so it got. Out could you Know
Yahudi israel is now dating With Yahweh Bin yahweh called
a she devil white. Women SO i was getting major
ugly looks in the streets about just my life and

(01:25:17):
HOW i was. Living and then it got to the
point WHERE i was still hearing about things that were going.
On there was a bombing up In Delray beach where
The yahweh group bombed this, neighborhood the wrong neighborhood at
that because they had a little skirmish with the, locals
AND i heard a baby was burning really. Bad and
then there was a situation In Opa loaca where they

(01:25:39):
bought Those they bought these apartment buildings and as soon
as they purchased, them they went in without notice until
everybody get the hell. Out now not thirty, days not ninety,
Days there ares Go and they began to go into
people's houses while they were in their houses and take
their furniture and put it out on the. Street why

(01:25:59):
can YOU i had someone coming into your house and
taking your stuff and you don't even have noticed that
this is. Happening so that, happened and then of course
there were two murders behind that that thing in that
same time, period he always killed two of the tenants.
There because one of the, guys he was on record
on the local. Channel they interviewed the. Guy he, Says

(01:26:19):
i'm not going nowhere UNTIL i get a viction, notice
as simple as. That and then his friend, said fuck. Them,
yahways so.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
You excuse, me he can't, curse it can't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Curse, well, OKAY i didn't know. THAT i knew you
can center it out through it, Right, okay all, right
sorry about, that but those were his. Words so after,
that and then with the threats THAT i was, GETTING
i just got fed up it with. IT i just

(01:26:52):
got fed up with. IT i knew. THAT i knew,
that and of course it had gotten back to me
that my. Life if they caught me in the wrong,
place they were gonna kill. Me that's the WORD i.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Got so, Okay so you went to the, cops you
had no, case nor the case for something else so
that you got caught up in or you went to
the cops on your.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Own, NO i went on my. Own it wasn't your.
Standard i'm a rat Because i'm in. Trouble. NO i
got it one morning AND i rode down to THE,
fb the LOCAL Fbi headquarters Of, miami went in the,
office went up to the second, floor was greeted by
a lady at the. Door at the there was a, big,
old thick, window and she asked me what DID i

(01:27:32):
what was in reference? TO i, SAID i want to
talk to somebody about The. Yahwehs and the look on
her face it changed. Instantly she, Said i'll be right,
back and when she came, back she brought a, big,
tall six foot six black guy in a suit came
and he met, me AND i was a little nervous

(01:27:54):
and apprehensive because at that TIME i hadn't even talked
to any white people in. Years SO i was kind
of glad that it was a black man THAT i
was about to talk. To and he ushered me back
to his office and THERE i began to lay out
the Whole yahweh, system the THINGS i knew. ABOUT i
talked about to be. HEADING i talked about the things
That i've been told and they debriached me for for,

(01:28:18):
months for. Months back, then they gave me a beeper
and they told ME i was a confidential and they
said a confidential, source and they my name Was, elindo
The indian that was their that was their their code for,
Me and over periods of months they didn't pay. Me

(01:28:45):
DID i ever receive money from? Him? Yes They there
came a point months down the road where WHEN i
met with, him he just gave an envelopes at, here
this is just something to help you out or. WHATEVER
i never asked for money, ever, Ever and but there
were five hundred dollars, payments three hundred dollars probably all

(01:29:08):
in all over those four or five years THAT i
dealt with, him maybe a thousand dollars, total maybe in five,
years maybe because it wasn't about the money for. Me
it was about it was about this guy's a murderer
and a pedophile and a bunch of other things that
he's got to be. Stopped AND i JUST i just

(01:29:31):
kind of became the one that was thrust into the
unofficial spokesman for all the. People now by AFTER i,
left there began there began to be a great falling,
away an apostasy of people that were. Fought even his
own biological brother excuse, me sister brother in law's, nieces,
nephews they all, left his step, children they all, left

(01:29:53):
and we began to meet at certain houses just sporadically
and put the piece of the puzzle, together because everybody
we had a piece of the. Puzzle how is he and?
Pedophile oh he was Doing he was having sex with
twelve and thirteen year old. Girls two THAT i know
of for a, Fact Nick myda From. Baltimore Now Nick

(01:30:13):
myda was a thirteen year old little young black child From.
Baltimore and she's, thirteen but if you saw, her you
probably thought she was about twenty. Two she was just
she was just she was just filled out everywhere for
a thirteen year old and now only that, beautiful just.

(01:30:34):
BEAUTIFUL i MEAN i looked at, Her i'm, like, wow
she's stunning. Me every GUY i knew was, like, wow she's,
stunning just. Beautiful and so there was a, Time i'll
tell you about, this back in nineteen eighty. ONE i
used to Be Sister. Judah Sister judith is the second
in command of The nation Of. Yahweh, Unofficially Sister judy

(01:30:54):
Is yahweh And yahweh's unofficial common law. Wife where they ever,
MARRIED i don't think. So but WHEN i Met Yahweh Ben,
YAHWEH i met, her they came together as a package. Deal,
Now Sister juds had three, kids a daughter and two.
Sons so ONCE i became a full time working for the,

(01:31:16):
Nation yahweh Ben yahweh made me become her personal. Uh
when we say bodyguards slash whatever she needs, done it,
was it WAS i did. It when she went to the,
BANK i rode with her to make sure she got
to the bank to put. Deposits when she had to
go to the mall to Buy yahweh Ben yahweh a

(01:31:38):
pair Of Bally ballet's, SHOES i was there whenever she
wherever she, went you saw. Me so On saturday, mornings
While yahweh Ben yahweh was teaching, Class Sister judus would
be in her office and of course she. Can she
can overhear everything because it's just it's just right next
to the main. Tum she can hear the whole sermon.
LOUD i would sit in her office at her door

(01:32:00):
while people were coming in there to give her, money
AND i just kind of sat there that that was my.
Post One, Saturday yahweh Ben yahweh began to teach a
class on someone and at the BEGINNING i didn't know
who the someone, was but THEN i saw Sister jus started,
crying literally, balling AND i knew That yahweh Ben yahweh

(01:32:25):
was talking about. Her but what he was saying was
that he can put his penis anywhere he chooses to
put it because He's. God don't question me about Who
god chooses to give his seed. To that's that's the
language he was. Using but the person in question was

(01:32:45):
this thirteen year old girl Named Nick. BADIA i know
BECAUSE i lived. There the walls have ears and. EYES
i knew who he was talking. About and Then i'm
Watching Sister jews balling And i'm, Thinking, wow this is.
Crazy so that's just one. Example, Now Sisters jude had a.
Daughter she finally left in nineteen eighty six and she

(01:33:06):
told her, Mother i'm leaving Because i'm tired of your
man meaning yahweh bn yahweh having sex with. Me but
she didn't use that. Word she used THE f. Word,
Okay so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Now michael the black man has to be aware of this,
then right if you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Were of, course one hundred thousand. Percent but he's he's
gonna toe the party. Line he's never wants to try
out of, course you. Know down the road yawibnyawe was.
Arrested michael was a black, man and fourteen others were
arrested with. Him so they all, are you, know they
rideing For yawi Bin. Yahweh so everything That i'm saying

(01:33:44):
to you in this interview is a damnable lie according to,
Him but there are more if there are a lot
of people that would back up Everything i'm saying that
in fact it. Happened so going going back up to
the eighty, SIX i walked into THE fbi, OFFICE i
spilled my. GUTS i told them EVERYTHING i knew and

(01:34:07):
everything everything you've heard and more stuff that you haven't.
Heard and so FOR i would say the first year
they debriefed. Me you, know of, course in my simplistic,
Mind i'm, thinking as soon AS i say, This they're
going to go down and arrest. Them but it didn't.
Happen the first, year it didn't, happen the second year
didn't have the. THIRD i think about four years into
it that it Finally Yahweh Ben yahweh was finally. Arrested

(01:34:29):
but by then there were enough people that had come
forward that were telling their, stories that were co signing
some of the things THAT i had said and saying
things THAT i didn't know. About you, KNOW i didn't
know at, All BUT i was the first. ONE i
was the first one to come forward for THE fbi
and get the ball. Roll AND i understand they had

(01:34:50):
someone on the, inside but that person, was you, know
a day late and a dollar. Short they came To
you had to be there in the beginning to really
have the intel on what was going. On so whoever
they brought and they just they couldn't they couldn't get
close enough to the inner. CIRCLE i was in the inner,
circle SO i was the first one to come for.
It of, course they asked, me COULD i leave them

(01:35:11):
to other. PEOPLE i was able to give. Up Have,
michael the Black man's, brother we brought him. In he
was able to tell about the stuff that he. Knew
he knew a lot about the. Beheading he was actually
one of the guys that was in that car when
they took him out to The everglades and beheaded, him

(01:35:32):
so he had he was first hand knowledge of. That
AND i just began to you, know they would show
me pictures AND i was began to, say who this person,
is who that person, is just just began to build
a puzzle and of course others were brought. In they
ended up talking To Yahweh Ben yahway's direct biological sister

(01:35:52):
and the kids and the in. Law so it wasn't
just people like, myself who were you, know were you
getting paid or where you snitching because you were in,
trouble none of those. Things it was more of people
had gotten fed up and people knew this man was
destructive to the city Of. Miami so by the time
they arrested, him and they arrested him in nineteen ninety

(01:36:14):
One November december of ninety, one and they had a mass.
Trial they were slated to be like one hundred and
sixty witnesses AND i was the first of The yahweh
members to, testify and basically brought me in to kind
of set up the scenery to let the jury know

(01:36:37):
what the teachings were about what they. Believed and of
COURSE i told them the things THAT i knew or
heard or stuff like. That AND i was on trial
for probably five four or five. Days they had me.
Straight it was, grueling your mass. Trial you had fifteen
lawyers that had a chance to take shots at. You
now by, then by nineteen ninety, ONE i was the

(01:36:59):
unofficial fokesman for all the ex. Members SO i had
been on one NATIONAL tv show in eighty. EIGHT i
was on A cbs show Called west fifty Seventh. Street
and THEN i had given a huge expos in nineteen
ninety one to The Miami, herald four pages pictures of,
me pictures of my white, girlfriend you, know all this

(01:37:20):
stuff in the. PAPER i had been In Esquire. Magazine
i'd been in a lot of different media publications as
the guy that, was you, know revealing what was going.
On SO i had a mark on my. BACK i
was that dude they were looking to get. Me part
of WHY i did it sparked the media BECAUSE i

(01:37:40):
knew that they'd be crazy try to kill, me knowing
That i'm the one that's out there like, that because
there were others who they did kill who weren't in the.
Media BUT i, figured if you're going to get, Me
i'm going down. Swinging i'm going down telling EVERYTHING i.
Know and that just was my. Mentality so the, Trial

(01:38:02):
yahwe's lawyer was actually Al See, hastings who was a federal.
Judge he was then scandal himself some years ago for
maybe bribery or. SOMETHING i don't know the details of,
it but he was his, lawyer and so they took
turns trying, to you, know tear apart my story Because
i'd given so many interviews that they had a lot

(01:38:23):
of stuff to work. With AND i THINK i fared,
well THOUGH i THINK i. FAILED i, mean they caught
me in some contradictions THINGS i might have said or
misspoken on, Whatever but all in, ALL i THINK i
did a good job going up against fifteen. Lawyers and
so after, THAT i, said you got to get out Of.
Miami not not next, week you got to. Go so

(01:38:48):
right after my last damn, file put me in a
hotel In, miami a really nice hottel with in a
day or, two they flew. Me they asked, me where
where do you want to? GO i, said, WELL i
have a brother In San diego and MAYBE i can
go out, There and so they flew me out. There
they had they had asked me previously about going into

(01:39:10):
The Federal Witness Security, program which is the correct name of,
it BUT i rejected it because the information THAT i
had basically was you're gonna Be you're gonna go somewhere To,
montana somewhere you can't never see your kids no. More that's,
it or anyone you have a new, family, friends they're.

(01:39:31):
Dead you got to start all over. IT i just
wasn't having.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
It let me ask you that we only got about
twenty minutes. Stuff do you see your your ex wife and?
Kids are you still in touch with?

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Them my? Kids? YEAH i see my ex wife every
now and. Then only twenty minutes though that we're going three? Hours, Okay,
NO i want to have you come.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
BACK i want TO i want to do two hours.
Today we'll have you come back back next week and
we'll do a little bit more. Time this is great. Stuff,
yeah got, you got?

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
You? Yeah, okay so we'll get maybe get to that
other hip hop yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Oh, yeah we'll come back with the whole show on.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Okay SO i didn't go into the Witness protection. PROGRAM
i just flew out To San diego and tried to
start my life all over. Again and my girlfriend we
actually got. Married and this is the white WOMAN i
was telling you. About she became a. NURSE i went
on back to, school got a two year degree In
english and College San Diego Mason, college became a laboratory

(01:40:24):
technician that kind of. Thing but then in nineteen ninety
four the government came back at me and said that
they're going to do a state trial to try to
Get Yaweh yahweh for. Murder, well he was the first.
Thing he was convicted in nineteen ninety two for under
A rico statue and he got twenty. Years he ended
up doing eleven years of that twenty but while he

(01:40:45):
was in, custody they were gonna take him up on
trial for state for. Murder and so in nineteen ninety, four,
whoever the judge was ruled that my lawyer had to
give give my whereabouts to. Them, yeah and so the
government told, me, now you have to go into the

(01:41:06):
witness protection program because our intelligence says that they're gonna
they're gonna kill you before you're gon. Understand that's why
they want your. Information they're gonna kill. You so in
The april of nineteen ninety, FOUR i, said let's do it.
Now one THING i can say is that by, Then,

(01:41:26):
michael the Black man's, brother who is my best, friend
had gone into the witness protection program a year or
two before, That and even though he had gone, in
we still maintained. Contact SO i knew the whole. Game,
NOW i knew what to expect through. Him he told
me how much money're gonna get? Me he, said how

(01:41:47):
they gonna put you, up how they gonna change. You
he gave it to, me SO i was more. Confident
PLUS i had a meeting with The The Winness Protection
program is actually headed by The Marshall, service The United States,
marshall not THE. Fbi so basically what they. Do they
bring you, in they give you an I q, test
intelligence tests to see if you're if you're not, crazy

(01:42:08):
and they make sure that you're a stable mentally because
you're under their care. Now so once they get, you
they don't tell. You, well they give you a they
give you a map of the Fifty, states and they
say check off every place you've ever been or where
you have family or. Friends and for, me that's, Huge
so that narrowed it down to a. LOT i narrowed it.

(01:42:32):
Down so all those PLACES i, checked that's WHERE i
will not be. Going and you don't get to choose
where you. Go you just you have to wait on.
Them you check, off, Right, yeah, WHY i, SAID i
don't know IF i want to live In hawaii, anyway
not like. Now so a day came in nineteen ninety,

(01:42:55):
four they, said be ready. Tomorrow and that's all THAT
i was. Told and the next day a van pulled.
UP i had a big old apartment full of. Furniture they,
say don't take, nothing to leave it as it. Is we.
Will we will have people come move back for. You
all you take is a suitcase and have all your.
Credentials we need. Them in other, words your, license credit,

(01:43:18):
cards anything that has a bank, number an address that
connects you to, you we need. It so we had
to get all the car, registrations all that, STUFF fir,
certificates you name, it, passports you name. It so they
came and got us In San, diego and first they

(01:43:39):
just took us in and put us in a really
five star hotel downtown for like for like three, weeks
we just were just in the, hotel and Every monday or,
so they were giving us like five hundred, dollars which
we didn't eat that five hundred. DOLLARS i, mean we
just didn't need, it so but it was for. Whatever
so for three weeks we just stayed in the, hotel

(01:44:00):
me and my, wife and we just waited and then
one morning they said be, ready and they came and got,
us and they took us to the. Airport they didn't
say where you're, going they said this took the. Airport
we got on the plane and they flew us To.
Seattle we didn't know we were going To seattle until
we got to the gate and they, said when you
get off the, plane there'll be some people to meet you.

(01:44:21):
Again so we got off the plane In seattle and
sure enough there were two suits waiting on. Us took
us another. Terminal it was To, portland and then we got.
Off In, portland we met buy some more, suits and
they took us out of the airport and took us
a hotel and they said you will be here until
we're ready to move. You here's some. Money Enjoy. Portland

(01:44:44):
that's basically what it. Was so we stayed there probably
almost a. Month and then the day they came where they,
said be ready tomorrow where you're. Moving and they picked us,
up took to the airport and they flew us To
maging that no airport and got off the airplane where
by two people suits and taking our airport put it

(01:45:07):
to a van with no windows in the back of
the no, windows and there was a petition between us
and the, driver so we didn't know who was, driving
and no windows in the. Back it was, comfortable but no.
Windows and they drove us for about two. Hours SO
i don't know IF i was In, VIRGINIA dc Or
maryland and try to state the. Area we just. Drove
and then when the door found opened, up we were

(01:45:30):
underground at what came to be known as The federal
With Security program headquarters in a parking. Lot so THEN
i JUST i. WANT i had my gun in my
suitcase and they asked, me do you have any weapons
ON i, said, yeah WELL i have my nine millimeters
in my. Suitcase so of course they confiscated that, immediately

(01:45:52):
and they they searched us and they took us into
A it took us into a. Building imagine a big
building that has a partments within the. Building so they
put us in this building and then they opened this.
Door we went in and it was an apartment with
all the furnishures of, HOME i, MEAN, tv everything you,
need and refrigerator was full of, food, steaks whatever you.

(01:46:16):
Want it's just packed up everything and you, know EVERYTHING
a full. Apartment, now what about the apartments next.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Door did you see the other people in the?

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Program, no they don't. Know. No when they bring you,
in they make sure all the hallways are, clear and
you come in. There you don't hear, nothing you don't see.
Nothing all you walk down a pretty kind of a
dimly lit. Hallway they opened the door and they say
this is where you're gonna. Stay and when they close the,

(01:46:45):
door you're locked. In ain't no walking back out the front.
Door now there's a patio area you can go out,
on but you can't see nothing because they have a
probably a thirty foot wall concrete straight, up so all
you get is sunshine and you can see. Clouds she
can't scale the, wall and so, yeah it's. Sill you

(01:47:07):
can't go. Out you're in. There and so they had
us in there probably for about four or five. Days
and while we were, there they that's where they actually
took all of our, identification driver's, license social, security, passed
fort pir, certificates, uh, anything, uh, veildragustation gun, registration anything
they had a name on numbers attaching us to, it

(01:47:30):
they took it from us. There so for that period of,
time now we're basically non non, people non. Entities we
have no name that you know you. Have they're erasing. Us,
basically they can indeed race your they erasing. Us so
we were there about four or five days and all
there is a dudes are eating basically have sex eating

(01:47:50):
and you, know look out the window and that's. It,
uh and WATCH. Tv so after, that the day came
when they said be ready, tomorrow you're. Leaving so we.
Left they took us back To Reagan national and they
flew us to all Places, Omaha. Nebraska. Yeah SO i
had a couple. Thoughts one thought, was, well if they

(01:48:14):
do it like they don't do it, before they probably
gonna tick us up and move From omaha and move somewhere.
Else but they didn't do. That they pulled me. Out
they pulled us round the air for. It And i'm,
thinking the ain't no black people In. Omaha and THEN
i Remembered MALCOLM x was born and raised In, omaha
so there has to be black. People it's not THAT
i don't hate white, people BUT i don't want to

(01:48:36):
be around all white. People And i'm not only black,
person you, UNDERSTAND i, mean that's just what it. Is
so and THEN i got this white white he's here's
this interracial couple around all white people that went can
go too. Well but fortunately Om a is a pretty
mixed mixed. City there's, blacks whites and. Others it wasn't,

(01:48:56):
no we. Didn't we didn't stand.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Out because because they give you a So security, number
but you know, credit it's a brand new issue social security.
Number but how do you get a job and?

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
Stuff, well first of, all when you get when you get,
there when you get, there we were in a residency.
End you don't have Any for the first month and a,
half we had NO, id, zero had. Nothing we just.
Were we didn't. Exist that's the whole erasure part of.
It we didn't. Exist but then the, Day but then

(01:49:28):
the day came where they took us to the d
M v and the guy just, says go up the
window four or, whatever and they already knew we were.
Coming AND i took a. PICTURE i didn't take, no
no test took a. PICTURE i got AN. Id they
took us to the key, bang go talk to mister
so and, so and he said us it was a bank.
Account it took us down to the, Universe nebraska BECAUSE
i was still in.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
School, wait so when you went to THE. Dmv you
didn't have to wait. Online, no it's worth it, then right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Absolutely they took me to the path for a bureau
gave me the money for the, passport go up the
windows so and so and took care of in two.
Days he brought that back to me my passport in two.
Days same thing with my school, records my transcripts from
the two year college to The university Of. Nebraska we
went to the dean of something that, other went in
the back. Room he did some click on his. Computer it's.

(01:50:18):
Done you start School, monday and so all My Lloyd
clark transcripts going into my junior year were transferred To
at the, TIME i Was Khalil, ashanti Not. Amani that's
another story WHY i had to change my last name
because me and my wife broke. Up so, anyway so
as far as getting to not for the so for

(01:50:40):
the first until you get those, credentials you can't get a.
Job so NOW i got my, Credentials now it's going
to be kind of. Difficult even like my, wife she
was a registered nurse in the state Of. California they flipped.
That now she had a registered nurse in the state Of.
Nebraska they brought a beautiful certificate sign filled, everything so
she was able to go to. Work as far as

(01:51:02):
as far as, references that was the hard part because
you can't use any pass work history as a. Reference
so that was that's. Tricky that's, tricky and it's now
you have to do a little, manipulation a little bit of,
lyon a little bit of, whatever. Finessing AND i can't
really tell you how that. Works we just had to.

(01:51:23):
Do we had to. Do you understand it just it's
just that's just what it. Is BUT i was Are
we both were able to get jobs at a hospital
right around the corner from, us she as a nurse
and me as a. PHLEBONTOMIST i used to draw blood
and so that went. On but while we were in
the witness protection, program we were getting in like about

(01:51:45):
twenty twenty four hundred dollars a month from the government
cash money first of every. Month and that continued on
even after we got a. Job for about a. Year
they told us the government basically a guy who was
handing he, said you, know the government is. Slow it's
going to take him six months a year to now stop.
It once you get a, job but he said that

(01:52:06):
they would continue to fund, us you, know a reasonable
amount of, time even after we had full time. Jobs
so we were really doing. Financing we were really doing.
Well between her, money my, money and the government's, money
we were doing. Well And omah was kind of cheap.
Too we had like a five beddom house for six hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Dollars so no, care we'll run out of. Tennis and,
now how come you're not in the witness protection?

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Program?

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Now you know you're not afraid, Now, No.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
I'm not afraid. NOW i was only in within the
protection program for about two years in nineteen ninety four
to nineteen ninety. Six in nineteen ninety, SIX i went
back To, miami WHICH i wasn't supposed to that was
considered a danger. AREA i went back there to see my.
Kids me and my, wife we were going through our
situation with the. Children she decided to drop a dime
rad on, me snitch on, me make a phone call

(01:52:51):
to the government and say he was down here In.
Miami and SO i got the call from my handler,
saying we got a call that you were in a danger.
Zone you, know that's going to just qualify you from
the windness petation program IF i admitted to, it of,
Course AND i admitted to it because actually at the,
time by THEN i was kind of ready to. Go
not that not that the government was in my business

(01:53:12):
like every. DAY i only saw the handler on the
first of each month to give me my money and,
that but that was. It BUT i admitted to, it and,
uh they, said, well we're gon have, to you, know
to take you out of the. PROGRAM i, says, okay that's.
Cool so they. Came they gave me another month of,
funding they made me sign some, papers and they wished

(01:53:34):
me well And i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Out now what about the? Trial did he was conviction
as a result of from the?

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Trial you're. Testony the state trial never never came. Up
it never. Happened the state trial after even AFTER i
go on to winness petetion. Program THEN i don't know,
why but they ended up dropping all the state situation
charges and he just did the federal. Charges so he
ended up doing eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Years and but he's dead, now, right he's.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Dead he got out AND i think he died maybe
two years after he got out of prostate cancer prostate.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Cancer and now they want nothing to do with The
michael The Black man with The Maurice. Seminnette, well, now as.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
With any cult or religion like, that you have, schisms
so you have different factions you have there are at
least two of them right, now two factions from The yahweh.
Group and, basically, yeah Because michael the Black man has
set himself, up is setting as as another part another
branch of The, yahwehs because he teaches the Whole yahweh thing.
Too he has his own thing In, miami a bunch

(01:54:39):
of guys he. Has you, know he's living in a
mansion and driving A Rose royce because he's he's. There he's, there,
pimp you can see. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
YEAH i asked him how he supported. Himself, yeah he
didn't really need to come up with something. There he imports.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Himself because he has he has men out there that,
work that bring their, chicks and that's how he's getting his.
Money so of course he might be getting some money
from Mister trump, too you never.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Know, yeah he denies. That, now what about he talked
about something where he was at An obama rally and
some guys attacked him with a with A k forty
seven and his brother was there and he has two.
Brothers one was a, cop one was a private. Investigator
do anything about?

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
THAT i know about, that but that's not a much.
Case that's there's some information about the online BUT i
heard about. That, yeah that was some years.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Ago we don't we don't have that much time. Anyway
if it's if it's not that, important we don't have
to get into. It and now we got about five minutes.
After what else do you want to leave us? With
because this is an incredible. Story, well what about your?
Faith right? Now what do you what do you? Believe?

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Now, well you, Know i'm minored in, religion uh in
college and a minor BECAUSE i just wanted to go
back and see how how COULD i be such a
fool to fall for? It SO i read pretty much
every not every not every, peace BUT i read a
hell of a lot on religion in. College and so

(01:55:54):
Today i'm not Really i'm not. Religious i'm more of
a spiritual. PERSON i don't have a faith per. SE
i do believe in a higher, being BUT i THINK
i think that all organized religion is And i'm not
going to, curse but, yes that's just Where i'm at with.
IT i just think that you, know we just don't,
know we're, not and it's not meant to. Know if

(01:56:16):
it was meant to, know we'd. Know so it's just
a bunch of. All religion is just a bunch of
guessing about the hereafter on the other. Side SO i
understand them. ALL i can sit down and talk with
Ju muslim Or christian and they always say are You?
Muslim Are? No BUT i KNOW i study these. STUFF
i write about. It i've written six.

Speaker 4 (01:56:36):
Books i've written three, books four books of a religious,
nature three books that are are about religion and just
breaking Down Judeo christian thought in The.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
Bible So i've done the whole studies and then you,
know published that stuff that was really for my own my.
OWN i just need to get off my.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Chest, okay got less than a couple of. Minutes how
can people find Your people want to hear more About Khalil. Amani,
okay well you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Can i'm on social. Media i'm On, Facebook, Instagram YouTube And.
Twitter you can look at me Under Khalil. Amani my
blog is The Khalil Amani. Reader if you just google my,
name if you spell my name, correctly k H a
L i L AMANI A M A N i if
you spell my name, correctly google. It all my information come, up,

(01:57:24):
everything all my social.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
Media, okay and we're gonna have you. Back this is great, stuff,
man thank you so. Much this is LIKE i don't
know if you notice THAT i didn't even play the
ADS i. Play this is going commercial for you the
last ninety. MINUTES i love.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
WOW i don't want thank you so much, Man, Okay
i'm gonna be in touch with, you all. RIGHT i
gotta go. There thank, You.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
KHALIL i enjoyed. You thank you very.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
MUCH i enjoyed it, Too thank you very.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
Much.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
Okay then we Had Khalil amani, okay fascinating A khalil
Of money reader with the whole story of The Yahweh
Ben yahweh. Cult LIKE i, SAID i didn't place any,
ads Man oka BECAUSE i don't want interrupt the. Guy
it's great. Stuff going to have him back because this
guy's all involved now with The africa bombarda. Stuff, okay
he's not done, Yet he's got more stuff to tell.

(01:58:09):
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(01:58:32):
know it wasn't my best, interview all. RIGHT i wasn't
in the best. Shape it was early in the. Morning
had had woke up in the bad. Shape but it's
his part of it is.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
Okay my part of it is not too.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
GREAT o gave.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
It his part is. Great michael The Black, Man Michael,
siminette that's the guy blacks For trump that stands behind
The president of The United states Of. America he poked,
that you, heard, okay testified just. Now he poked the
guy with a tire iron in the eye involved him
beheadings and murders, also and The President United states turns
around and says black Sweat trump thumbs. UP i love you. Guys,

(01:59:06):
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United states is the best, buddy and look into him.
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(01:59:29):
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(01:59:53):
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