Mark Shaw : The Reporter Who Knew Too Much: The Mysterious Death of What's My Line TV Star and Media Icon Dorothy Kilgallen

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stop fooling around. We got a great guest today. I
love them already, Mark Shaw. He's in a term from
the San Francisco area up there. You could find out
his website is Markshawbooks dot com. But today we're going

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to be talking about the story of Dorothy kill Gallen.
He's got a book out called The Reporter Who Knew
Too Much, The Mysterious death of What's My Line? TV
star and media icon. Dorothy killed Gallon and there's a
couple of websites about that. The Dorothy Killgallonstory dot Org
and the Reporter who Knew too Much dot com and

(02:29):
just you know, we got a hold of mister Shaw
here through Ted Rubinstein, one of our favorite guests who
notorious Ted Rubinstein from the Larry Flynt publications and Dave
Emery and May Brussel and now the Opperaman Report. So,
mister Mark Shaw, are you there? I am, thank you,

(02:52):
Thank you so much. Tell us about yourself. Who's Mark Shaw?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Oh boy? I take four or five hours. Yeah, checkered career,
but I've been very blessed. A former criminal defense lawyer,
a public defender. When I began, handled a lot of
high profile trials in the Midwest, mostly all murder cases,
and then became a television network analyst through some serendipitous

(03:17):
things that happened. Covered some high profile trials, started with
claud Calldean Lonjay who was accused of killing her lover
in Aspen, and then the Mike Tyson trial and OJ
Simpson and Kobe Bryant, and so I've done a lot
of that kind of work, done some television and radio
as well. But with the Mike Tyson trial I began.

(03:39):
I wrote my first book called Down for The Count,
which examined whether Mike Tyson really got a fair shake
of trial. I didn't feel like he was. I was
right there. I covered it for ABC, CNN and USA Today,
and I watched him get railroaded into prison. So I
wrote a book called Down for the Count, and I
like that and it did pretty well. And so I've
just kept writing over the years about different subjects, with

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a common theme really being watching whether justice has been
provided to people in either the court system or out
of the court system that way. And you know, I'm big,
a big believer in that, and so that's been the
theme of most of the books. And actually, this is
hard to believe, but this is the twenty fifth one.
So I'll tell people. I keep writing them where anybody

(04:23):
reads them or not. But this book, particular book has
just taken off. It's just absolutely amazing how many people
are just enamored with the Dorothy Kilgallan story.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Hey, we're going to have to have you back twenty
five times in Man, because I love this stuff clothing
log and I love that story. But now Mike Tyson,
real quick, okay, I'm a huge Tyson fan. In fact
that we both go jogging around the same park since
the park here in Vegas. Oh oh yeah, go by
his house all the time. My kid went to school
repays house. Now, why what the hell was going on

(04:54):
with that? Because he had like a tax attorney for
his defense lawyer.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
What was the whole Well does that bother you it all?
If you were charged with rape that you had an
income tax lawyer. Well, that's what happened, you know. For Mike,
I mean, he's made some mistakes in his life, but
one of the biggest ones was I think his association
with Don King. And when Tyson was accused of raping

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this social height in Indianapolis, a beauty queen, he turned
to Don King for help, and King came up with
this lawyer in Washington, d C. I can't think of
his name now because I've tried to forget it. But
I was hired because I had some media experience to
oversee the media in that trial. And so I sat

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there every day in the courtroom, and then I reported
for USA Today and CNN and ABC and all of that,
and I sat there. I just should have had a
gag on something on my mouth because I wanted to
scream as this defense lawyer just did a totally inadequate
job of representing Tyson. Here's the defense. Mike Tyson is

(06:03):
so awful, so terrible, so violent, just the worst guy
on the face of the earth. The woman should have
known better. So the jury heard that, and they decided,
you know, you're right, he is an awful, terrible, violent person.
Let's put him in prison because the evidence wasn't there,
that's for sure, and so they did. And so I

(06:25):
just I couldn't believe it. So I wrote this book
down for the count about that. It just he got
railroaded right into prison, and it was just a complete
travesty of justice.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, yeah, And you're not exaggerating at all because Tyson, Yeah,
Tyson testified and said, oh no, I have sex with
whoever I want, I do whatever I want. I bang
these bees and he just went to town. Just unbelievable,
unbelievable case.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
And one of the most I remember about that case,
I'll tell you it is at one point, you know,
he and I, you know, we set alow and stuff
like that, but at one point we'll get to kick
out that since you've know him and you've seen him.
At one point we came to a door and I
opened it to walk through, and he was standing right
there and it was you know, very very quickly. I

(07:15):
said to myself, let him go through first, because he
took up the whole doorway. He had this suit on
where his muscles were just bulging through the suit anyway,
but I just backed away and let him come through.
I thought that was a good thing to do. Don't
you think that was a good choice.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, I know it's a good choice because, like I said,
we used to run on the same track around Sunset Park,
which is right across the street from Wayne Newton's house,
and he would have like five or six guys with
him and everyone got out of the way. You just
got were coming. It didn't matter which direction they were going,
you know, you just made a way.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
What do you know we should mention, you know, we
should mention he got through that. And I thought, you know,
he's a convicted fellow and all that, he'll fall into
more trouble and all that. But my golly, that guy
really cleaned up his life. And I'm glad here he
lives up, you know, in that area. And you got
to give the guy credit. He really turned things around.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, and it's still time too, so you know who
knows it he'll do something great with his life and
one man show with her for a while. What do
you think the motivation was though to have him do time.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, you know, unfortunately, it was a racial situation in Indianapolis, Indiana,
where you know, most everybody at the time was white
and and you know, Tyson was black, and you know
this this beauty queen flirted with him, and you know,
Mike then, you know, took her back to the hotel room.
And the biggest mistake he made after he had sex

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with her was she said, he said, the limousine is
downstairs waiting for you, And she said, well, aren't you
going to walk me down there? And he said, no, no, no,
you go ahead. Well, you know, she she just didn't
care for that. She thought he was in love with
her and you know, marry her or whatever. And when
he refused to walk her down there to the limousine,
that's when she got all upset. And then she told

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her mother or whatever about it, and they went to
the prosecutor, who was trying to make a name for
himself at that time, and he thought, oh good, we'll
indict Mike Tyson and that's what they did. And so
the whole thing's just a sad episode in the history
of justice, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, but I'm wondering though, like, if he was Don
King's main meal ticket, why would King want him to
go to prison?

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Oh? I don't think he did. This is how crazy
it is. I think he thought this lawyer had gotten
King had gotten indicted for tax evasion in Washington, d C.
And he hired this lawyer Don something I was. Anyway,
the guy got him an acquittal, and he thought, well,
if he can handle a tax case, why can't he
handle a rape case, although he'd never tried one or

(09:40):
tried a fellow any case at all. You know, that
was Don King. He just thought, well, guys, you know
this is a guy that can do this for you.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Mike amazing. Now, Mark Shaw, are you so practicing law?

Speaker 3 (09:56):
No? I don't. I do a little bit of entertainment
law with people that I help write books. I also,
besides writing my own books, I help people write books,
and so once in a while do that, but not
so much. No, I write my books basically mainly.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, okay, great, And you were saying that you have
an appearance coming up at the Commonwealth Club on February
twenty second.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
What's that about, Well, anybody who lives around the San
Francisco area, Well, no, the Commonwealth Club is just a
very prestigious organization, been around for a long time. They
have celebrities and politicians and everybody come speak there, and
it's you know, downtown San Francisco, and I'll be there
on February the twenty second to speak. I was very

(10:33):
honored that they asked me to come. There's been so
much publicity and so much interest in Dorothy Kilgallen's case
that they thought that there would be an audience for it.
And I'm told that the event, the presentation is sold out,
and so I'm hoping that, you know, they'll add some
more seats and things like that, because I take every
chance I can to talk about Dorothy's case, because again

(10:55):
there's the thread of the justice or injustice situation in
her case as well.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, now Dorothy killed Gallon. It's almost like almost like
an urban legend, but it is a legend, this legendary
story of this what's my Line host who was investigating
JFK and wound up dead and everyone suspected she was
dead who was Dorothy kill Gallan.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, I don't know how much you remember, but I
was never even going to write this book. I had
written a biography of Melvin Belly, the famous San Francisco
lawyer who I knew back in the mid eighties when
I practiced a little law and was at an office
in his building. He and I became friends. He even
took me to the Major League Baseball All Star Game
in his Rolls Royce. He was treated like a rock

(11:40):
star there. You remember. He represented the Rolling Stones and
Muhammad Ali and Tammy Faye Baker and all these people.
But his most famous client was Jack Ruby, who shot
Lee Harvey Oswald. So I decided to write a biography
of mister Belly in two thousand and seven, and it
was published called King of the Courtroom. And while I
was in that book, I learned a lot about Belly's

(12:02):
affection for the mafia. His main client was Mickey Cohen,
the outrageous, dangerous gangster who was in LA And I
began to ask myself questions about Belli's very unusual defense
of Ruby, which you may remember, was an insanity defense
psychomotor epilepsy insanity defense, which made no sense to me,
and the jury, of course, didn't buy it. So I

(12:24):
wondered if there was some connection between Belly's affection for
the mafia and his representing Jack Ruby, who had mafia
ties too. So I wrote a little bit about that
in Belli's book and decided, Okay, now I'm going to
trace back the whole mafia situation and see if I
can connect bell I back to the whole Kennedy assassination.

(12:45):
And so what I did is I looked at the
mafia influence and I went all the way back to
Joe Kennedy. And as you remember, in nineteen sixty, the
Kennedy's going to lose that election and they needed the
mafia to help them win Illinois and Virginia. And they
went to Joe's crony's some of the mafia guys, Sam

(13:05):
g and Kanna and others, and said, look, we need
your help to win Illinois and West Virginia West Virginia,
and they agreed to do so, with the deal being
that if JFK was elected, they would leave the mafia alone.
So the deal was made. So then JFK is elected,

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and I have primary sources in my books, and I'm
really proud of the fact that most of my books
of them are primary sources. There's no speculation in there.
I find witnesses that way, and I have one who
was right there when Joe Kennedy ordered Jack Kennedy to

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appoint Bobby Kennedy attorney general. And again, as you may know,
Bobby Kennedy went after the mobsters, including Trafficante Central traffic
Conte Giancanna, Frank Costello, and especially New Orleans Mafio so
called Carlos Marcello, and he just hounded them. He deported Marcello,

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and Marcella got back in the United States and he
charged him with conspiracy and all this stuff. So at
some point those guys decided, listen, you know, we're not
going to put up with this double cross and Marcello
in my opinion at least, and I think I show
that in the book called The Poisoned Patriarch, which is
about Joe Kennedy, that they decided to knock off JFK.

(14:31):
Because they if they killed Bobby Kennedy, then Jack Kennedy
would come after him with everything the government had. But
if you killed Jack Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy is powerless and
that's exactly what happened. They never went after those guys again.
So that was my second book, and I was pretty
well done. But when I was working on the bell
I book, a friend of Bellies who I interviewed, said,

(14:54):
you know, bell I knew Dorothy Kilgallen. And I said,
from what's my line? He said, Oh, no, Mark, you
don't know about her. You don't know about her being
a great investigative reporter and journalist and she covered the
Jack Ruby trial and that's where she met Melvin. Bell
I said, in fact, when Dorothy died, mel said to me,
they've killed Dorothy. Now they'll go after Ruby. They've killed Dorothy,

(15:16):
now they'll go after Ruby. And I could not get
that quote out of my mind. And so I finally
decided I was going to look into it, and that's
what led to my investigation and finally to this book
being released.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
It says that Dorothy coquellen had some kind of back
channel information about the Ruby trial, like she had information
that no one else had. You think she got that
from Belei.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
No, you have to think about who she was, and
a lot of people, you know, didn't know this side
of her. You know, the New York Post called her
the most powerful female voice in America. Ernest Hemingway said
she was the greatest female writer in the world. All
the accolades, but she was queen of the of the
media at that time. She had her What's my Life

(16:00):
line celebrity status. She had a column in the New
York Journal American, which was a huge newspaper at the time,
syndicated two hundred newspapers across the country every day. And
she was this crack investigator reporter who covered the doctor
Sam Shephard case that became the fugitive. She covered the

(16:20):
Lindbergh baby kidnapping case, and of course she covered the
Jack Ruby trial in Dallas. And besides that, she had
a radio show every morning with her husband and raised
three children. I mean, you talk about a media icon.
Nobody today could touch her in terms of what she did.
So I didn't know about all that part of her
that she had, that part of her life. And one

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of the things that happened is that she took the
jfk assassination personal. And that's important and readers will see
in the book that Why is it important Because when
Kilgallen went after a story, nothing could stop her, and
she had taken her youngest Oncarrie, to the White House.
While she was there, Pierre Salinger set up a tour

(17:05):
for them, took them around, and they got in the
library and outwalked JFK, who Dorothy knew from social events
in New York City and writing about him in her
column and things. But he came out and he greeted
little Carrie, who was in third grade, and gave him
a PT one to nine pin for his lapel, looked
at some letters that Carrie had brought, and just was

(17:28):
so wonderful to him. And so when JFK died, Dorothy
wrote in a column she said, what I remember is
a tall man stooping over a young boy looking at
the letters he brought from his third grade class. That
is the man who was assassinated in Dallas. And right

(17:50):
away she decided to go to the Jack Ruby trial,
and she started writing these columns that infuriated everyone, especially
Jay Edgar Hoover, because she was completely baffled that this
Oswald alone theory could make any sense. In fact, seven
days after the JFK assassination, and by the way, people
can look at these columns and articles and a lot

(18:10):
of the videotapes I'll talk about today at Dorothy kilgallenstory
dot org. We posted them all up there so people
can take a look. But the first column was Oswald
file must not close. And then she wrote a bunch
of those. And then Joecannah Hill, who was the Ruby's
co counsul, and he's videotaped. His interview is videotaped and

(18:31):
on the website I just mentioned. He explains how the
Ruby interview came up. She's the only reporter who ever
interviewed Jack Ruby his trial, and she did it twice
for short periods of time. Connah Hill explains how that happened,
where it happened, and all of that. And so she
got information from Ruby and that we don't know exactly

(18:52):
what he told her, but yet that headed her to
New Orleans. And who was the king mafioso and New
Orleans but none other than Carlos Marcello, who hated Bobby
Kennedy more than anybody. So she went to New Orleans
and we can kind of take it from there knowing
what she did up until the day she died. But

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one significant event is the fact that you know she
had the greatest sources at the time, because she was
the number number one reporter and people trusted her. But
somebody who was close to the Warren Commission provided her
with a transcript of Jack Ruby's testimony and she was
able to print that on the front page of the
Journal American in an exclusive that I would, you know,

(19:37):
compare to the Nixon tapes being exposed, or you know
what Snowden did with the government secrets. That kind of thing.
Was that big a deal at the time, Just whose
huge explosion of information before it was supposed to be
released before the president saw it. And in fact, in
these videotapes she'll hear and see one of Kilgallen's two

(19:58):
hairdressers talk about But everything changed after that. There was
no question she was in danger after she did that,
and we can talk a little bit about what she
was doing after that time, but that kind of sets
up the whole situation in terms of kill Gallen being
in danger as November of nineteen sixty five was about
to come upon.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Oh but this is great stuff. Now. A couple questions
this interview with Jack Ruby. Does she have audio tapes
of that or videotapes? Did she record that interview?

Speaker 3 (20:29):
No? Unfortunately, there isn't any of that. That would not
have been permitted. The judge in the case permitted her
to talk to him, so did Tana Hill, but the
trial was going on, so they wouldn't have been able
to have audio tape things. She made notes about it,
but as you'll learn, when kill Gallen died, that investigation

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file of hers disappeared and has never been seen again,
so there isn't any record of that. Tana Hill will
say that kill Gallen came to him and said that
an opera singer in San Francisco, as a matter of fact,
wanted to Kill Gallen to tell Jack Ruby listen, I
hope things work out for you, and so she said,

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and I'd like to tell him that myself. And so
Tana Hill then said to Jack, do you want to
talk to her? And he'll talk about then how much
respect Ruby had for kill Gallen. And that's what set
up the interviews.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh boy, and her notes you're gone too, then you're saying, yep,
oh boy. Okay, So then she heads to New Orleans, right,
is that the next part of the story.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, Well, the Warrent Commission, you know, expose comes out,
and then she goes to New Orleans, and there are
two hairdressers, and I'll tell you how I found these
videotapes because it's just an amazing story. But Mark Sinclair
and Charles Simpson are the two hairdressers and her closest friends,
frankly at the time of her death. And Mark Sinclair

(21:56):
will say that she wanted to go to New Orleans
and she asked him to go with her. And this
is another part. You know, it's a true crime murder
mystery really the way I've set it up with all
the suspects and everything. But one mysterious part of this
is that he will talk about the fact that they
went to New Orleans. She was going to meet with
somebody who was going to give her information that was

(22:17):
going to really solidify what she was going to put
in a book she was writing for Random House. And
when they got there, he was in his hotel room
and she called him and said, I want you to
go back to New York City. There's a ticket here
for you. Go back to New York City. Don't tell
anybody you were here, and I'm not going to answer
any questions about that. So he did that, and he

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went back to New York and then she flew back
and he didn't ask her what had happened there, and
that's when she started telling everybody her makeup. Man, I'm
going to crack this case wide open. It's the case
of a lifetime. She told Sinclair, you know, I'm you know,
I'm afraid for myself and my family. And she was

(23:00):
going to go ahead and buy a gun. She told
Charles Simpson, the hairdresser, if the wrong people know about
what I know about the jfk assassination, it could cost
me my death. And then she was about to plan
a second trip to New Orleans. And I believe I've
shown in the book that there was no way that
anybody was going to let her go to New Orleans

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again because she was honing in on Carlos Marcello, connection
to Jack Ruby, connection to Oswald, all of that. And
I think she had really figured out what had happened
based on motive, based on Marcello hating Bobby Kennedy and
Jack as well, and she was going to put all
that in a book for Random House and ed they

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couldn't let her do that. There just wasn't going to happen.
And I explained in the book what I think happened after.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
That incredible fascinating stuff. So her investigation into JFK kind
of dubtails. I forgot the prosecutor in New Orleans again.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Fresh my memory, Garrison, Jim Garrison.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Does her investigation dovetail with Garrisons.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
You know it could have, but they missed it. If
you watch JFK and you read anything about Garrison, there's
a conference that they have in a attorney's room in
New Orleans where they're discussing what they're going to do
with the evidence they've gotten. And one guy says, well,
we need to look into Carlos Marcello. There's no question
about his motive to kill Bobby and JFK and Garrison says, no, no, no,

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he said, let's let's uh, let's go after this clay Shaw.
That's that's the answer to this. And that's what they did.
The most interesting thing is they never consulted with with
Kill Gallan. Kill Gallen was never interviewed in the Warren Commission.
They just kind of ignored her, even though she'd wrote
in all these columns and she'd done all these kind

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of things. And people have asked me why that was,
And I think they still thought still saw her as
the what's my line television star? I mean, how how
can we take her seriously with regard to all And
so they just avoided using that evidence that she had
that would have made such a difference at that time.
I think, in fact, some ways changed the course of

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history because she really knew what was going on, and
they just avoided ignored her and didn't use any of
that information that she had.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, but on the other hand, she didn't try and
insert herself into the Garrison investigation.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
No, I don't think she would have. You have to
think about the time. Okay, nineteen sixty five, very little
television coveries, the three networks just in their infancy, of course,
no Internet, there was none of that kind of thing.
Where did people get their information the newspaper. Well, she
was just the queen, the king, whatever you want to say,
and the most respected newspaper person in the country really

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with regard to what she was doing. And you know,
she wasn't about to share the limelight with anybody. You know,
this was her exclusive. This was the case of a lifetime.
She could crack it wide open, and she had all
the sources. You know, she had looked into the Dallas
Police Department. She had done all these kinds of things
and she wasn't about to share that with anything. But

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we don't even know if anybody asked her to. No,
we don't, but I don't think she would have done that.
She wanted the exclusive for this. Plus she had a
contract to write a book about the JFK assassination for
Random House.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Okay, now you said that her life was in danger.
Did she receive actual threats that she reported?

Speaker 3 (26:30):
No, And there's a couple of reasons for that. Neither
Sinclair nor Simpson talk about specific threats. They just talk
about And you'll be fascinated when you see these videos.
The people have written me just saying they're shocking, and
they really are, because they're telling you how scared she is.
She thought her son one day, you'll be interested. There

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was a picture in one of the photograph in one
of the newspapers. It wasn't hers, of her son, Carrie,
running through sent Park by himself, and it scared her
to death. She thought he would be kidnapped, you know,
because of all the danger that she knew was around,
because of what she was doing with the JFK assassination
and the next night was Halloween, and she actually only

(27:15):
allowed him to go trick or treating with a limousine
and with a guard there so that nothing would happen
to him. So, you know, they got the sense that
she knew how much danger she was in. But you
have to think about this, Dorothy's ambition and Dorothy's belief
that she was invincible, I think really cost her her

(27:36):
life because we'll talk about a main suspect who's still
alive today that I've asked the DA to investigate. But
she was worried at the time about what was happening.
But again, I think she thought she was so big,
such a big star, that nobody could touch her, and unfortunately,

(27:56):
you know that was not true. They could get to
her and they did.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Wow. Okay, this is great stuff, man, And these videos
you described these are on the Dorothy Kilgallenstory dot org.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Right. Information about the book is great at the Reporter
Who Knew too Much dot com. But Dorothy Kilgallenstory dot
org has all of her columns, articles, quotes, photos, and
the video tapes. And if I may, I'd like to
tell you how the video tapes came about because I
almost quit writing this book after I wasn't even going

(28:28):
to write it to begin with, because I got to
a point where I didn't feel like there was enough
information out there. And then I found an article written
in two thousand and seven in Midwest Magazine, which chronicles
stories about celebrities born in the Midwest. And while Dorothy
lived most of her life in New York City, she

(28:49):
was born in Chicago. So I go to this site.
In the headline on this article, it's who killed Dorothy Kilgallen.
I think, oh boy. So I read down this article
and I see the names Charles Simpson and Mark Sinclair
and Joe Tana Hill. And there's a woman named Catherine
Stone who was on the last What's My Line show
that kill Gallen did the night before she was killed,

(29:12):
and she talks about a mystery man, you know, who
kill Gallen met with that night in New York. And
so I'm seeing all this and I'm thinking this is
great stuff. I can't wait see if I can talk
to these people. So I called this publisher and I say,
this is wonderful information. I'd like to talk. He said, Mark,
They're all dead, and I said, oh no, he said,
but I have some good news. There is a researcher

(29:35):
in Los Angeles and she and a colleague in the
late nineteen nineties and first couple of years of the
two thousands were obsessed with kill Gallan's death and they
tracked down these people and they videotaped the interviews.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I thought, man, this is a gold mine. It took
me almost six months to get the woman in LA
to trust me to look at any of the videos,
and she would send me one or two and this thing.
And I kept, you know, back and forth, and I
wouldn't hear from her, used every pay of the patience
that I had, and finally she said, okay, good, I

(30:11):
think I can trust you with these. And you're going
to see more than fifty clips from the interviews that
were done with those four people I just talked about
up on the website. So you talk about a real blessing.
That's what made the book. That's the credibility for the book.
It's not so much my talking. The first first third
of the books a tribute to Dorothy, and then we

(30:31):
get into her death and all of that, and you're
going to hear these first hand primary witnesses talk about
what happened to Dorothy. And that's the credibility of the book.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
You know, it's gonna sound like a crazy question, but
I'm just curious, how did she send you these videos?
Does she email them to Did you send you VHS DVD?

Speaker 3 (30:49):
No? No? See no? And used to scare me to
death because you know, unfortunately she would she would. I'd
ask her to make copies and everything like that, and
I couldn't tell if she did, and then she would
send them, and a couple times with FedEx, she had
the wrong address and they went somewhere else. I had
to track them down. But I should say right now too,

(31:10):
there's a spiritual angle to this book. And maybe you've
already kind of realized that I'm not a religious person
too much, but I'm a spiritual person. And all along
the way here, very unusual things have happened that have
made me feel like, you know that maybe old Dorothy
up there wherever she is, has kind of guided this

(31:30):
all along. And when I would not when I thought
I was going to quit, something new would come along,
and I thought, you know, maybe Dorothy is sending this
to me. And she certainly did that with regard to
the videotapes. There's no question about that in my mind.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And it says in a bib way, anything done in
darkness will come to light, you know, if you have
a secret shot out from the rooftop, you know. Okay,
there you go. Let's take a commercial break. We are
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(32:07):
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(37:42):
The Reporter who Knew Too Much, the mysterious death of
What's My Line? TV star and media icon Dorothy Kilgallon.
You can find that book on Amazon dot com. Also too,
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I am, thank you. Okay, great. Now, before we get

(38:04):
to her death and Matt During her life, she had
this big feud. By the way, people need to realize
too that this story is it's a big deal right
now because it's in the papers in New York City.
The Manhattan da is reopening this case. But back to
her life before she died, she had a feud with Sinatra.
How does that fit into all this.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Well, you know, it's interesting. There's a great photograph of
the two of them together at one point where they
look like they're in love. But that changed the great deal.
She wrote a couple skathing columns, and I don't know
if we can tell why, but in her Voice of
Broadway column about his ladies that he was going out with,
and it's not very nice. It's, in fact, it's very nasty,

(38:49):
talking about them being basically bimbos and you know has
been or you know, starlets that you know are never
going to be, and all this kind of thing. And
so she was pretty tough on him. So Frank decided
he didn't like that. So in his nightclub act he
started saying, well, you know, how can you take seriously
a woman who has no chin? And he would hold

(39:11):
up a key and say, you know, this looks like
kill Gallan's figure, and let's take up a collection and
go out and buy Dorothy kill Gallan a chin. Well,
she didn't like that, of course, so then she wrote
another column about him that wasn't very nice, and that
continued on all the way up to when she died.
And in fact, I think it's again a primary source

(39:35):
quote he did he didn't mind at all when she
was erased from the face of the earth. When he
was told, he said, well, okay, I guess I'll have
to change my nightclub act. So there was bad blood
there between the two of them, and it's unfortunate, but
that's what happened. The egos that were involved there and
all of that. So with Frank, there was no friendly

(39:58):
relations there between her. He didn't kill Galen, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Did he make any comments after her death in his act?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
No, that was it. That was it. That was it.
He's never really talked about it. Gay Talise, if anybody
ever wants to read it, just the best article I
think I've ever read about Frank Sinatra. The author he
spent some time with Sinatra, and there's a quote in
there that where he alludes to this feud between kill
Gallen and Sinatra. But no, I don't think we've ever

(40:30):
found anything. I remember looking at a couple of books
about Sinatra, and the only thing, you know, in his
book Going My Way or whatever it was, or my
Way I guess it was, he doesn't even mention her
in there. So there was no level loss between the
two of them.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Very interesting. You know there's a woman here in Las Vegas.
I'm having trouble getting a hold of her now. In fact,
they haven't seen any activity from her in a while.
I hope she hasn't passed away. But she dated Frank
Sinatra when she was fifteen years old. Yeah, she wrote
a book called The Mall or something like that, The Moll,
you know. Yeah, and this pictures of her with Sinata

(41:05):
when she was a little kid, There's no doubt about that.
And she also dated to mafia guy so I forget
what his name was. And she was like dating both
of these guys and when she was fifteen four. Yeah,
I know I was dying to get her on the show.
But I guess Kill Gallant didn't mention that relationship at
all these.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
No, she didn't, but I do want to. You've triggered
something into my mind. I just might mention to you.
You know, there's a lot of people still alive who
were around in nineteen sixty five. It's hard to believe,
but there's a lot of people around. And I've talked
to a great many of them and gotten the quotes
from them and interviewed them and everything else. But there's
one woman that I really wanted to talk to. And
that's Phyllis Maguire, the singer of the Maguire Sisters. And

(41:46):
you know, she was at one point a real love
affair with sam Gancana, the gangster who was Marcello's buddy
and trafficante and all that. And I did find some
information about her, and she lives in Las Vegas, and
I sent her an inquiry about, you know, whether I

(42:06):
could talk to he or not. She declined to do that.
But that's a woman who has sure some very interesting
information if anybody could get her to talk about it,
but she obviously has decided she doesn't want to. But
she's right there in your neck of the woods.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
It reminds me of a Buddy Greco. I tried to
get Buddy Gregor on the show, and he agreed to
come on the show first until I wanted to talk
about the death of Marilyn Monroe. He was one of
the last people to see her alive, and he had
the last photographs of her alive up there at the
kal Nev Casino out there where she had that tragic
weekend with a basic right. I think it's widely know
she was raped up there and brutalized by these men. Yeah,

(42:43):
oh boy. Okay, back to Dorothy Killgallan, which is a
whole life in herself. Now where are we in this story?
Now she's gonna go down to New Orleans the second time?
Is this when we find her dead?

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah? Just you know, there's a little conjecture as how
long after it was that she was going to go
to New Orleans. But the two hairdressers will tell you
about We'll tell people about that if they look on
the website. And what we know is then on the
eighth of yes, on the seventh of November nineteen sixty five,
her hairdresser, Mark Sinclair will tell you that he got

(43:19):
her ready for What's My Line show that evening. The
CBS broadcast What's My Line for fifteen years on Sunday
nights at ten o'clock. So it was John Daly was
the host, you had Bennett Surf, who was one of
the founders of Random House, you had Arlene Francis, and
you had Dorothy Kilgallan. So Sinclair will say he got

(43:41):
her ready. She was going to wear this dress. She
was really known as an elegant woman in a great dresser,
latest fashions all of that, He got her ready for
one of her dresses that she would normally wear to
What's My Line. He found some flowers, fake flowers down
in the hallway and put those in her hair. She

(44:02):
was all dolled up like she would be, and was
telling him that she wanted to go out later. Would
he go with her? And he declined because he was
tired and all that, and she said, well, okay, I'll
just come home. Well, between that time and when she
went to the show, Sinclair will say that he thinks
she got a phone call. At the time she was
dating kill Gallen and her husband, people should know had

(44:24):
the marriage had fallen apart a couple years earlier. Richard
Calmer was her husband. He was a Broadway producer, played
Boston Blackie on the radio, which was a popular show
at the time, but he had fallen on hard times.
The Broadway shows hadn't done any good. He'd opened a

(44:44):
couple of restaurants. They went bad. It was tough being
mister Dorothy Killgallan, as Mark Sinclair says, because she was
so famous, and so he got into the bottle and
started pretty much becoming an alcoholic and started running around
on her with both sexes, and there was all kinds
of problems there, and so they kind of went their
separate ways. Her first affair that she had, you'll recognize

(45:07):
this name, was with Johnny Ray, who was a popular
singer at the time. The Little White Cloud That Cried
was his big hit and fascinating story because most people
thought Johnny Ray was gay, and he was, but he
was bisexual and they had a torrid love affair. She
really fell in love with him, even though that he
was younger than she was, and he loved her and

(45:29):
they were great for each other. That relationship at one
point kind of cooled, and then conveniently, I believe, into
her life came a guy named Ron Pataki who was
a Columbus.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Did I lose you? I got no audio on our guests,
and it was it's like an internet dive there, mister
show you there. Let me see here, I guess look
over here. Yeah, okay, the call just dropped. It was

(46:09):
an internet beef on my end. Here. I'll give another
call here we had left off. Oh okay me my
internet am I I'm still recording. Okay, the phone up,
phone's busy. He might be trying to call me. Give
him one more shot. Okay, this is ringing busy. I'd

(46:36):
have to stop this recording. Here we go, Here we go,
Hi Hall Warri. I think that was an internet drop
on my end. But we're back and he left off
here talking about the hunk, the hunk that hooked.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Up with Okay, So so what we know is, you know,
he got her ready for the show, and uh, you know,
we know then that when Mark Sinclair saw her on
the show, she guessed the occupation of this woman Catherine
Stone who's on the Dorothy kilgallenstory dot Org and tells
about this man that kill Gallen met at the Regency

(47:15):
Hotel later that night. But Sinclair says he was really
surprised because she didn't have on the same dress that
she was going to wear. She had on a dress
that would be more like she would take she would
go out for on a date. So what we know
is that kill Gallen went with a producer of What's
My Line, Bob Bock, to the to PJ. Clarks in

(47:39):
New York City, which is still there today, this little bar.
I've been there. I've been right beside where kill Gallen
was that night, and they had drinks and then she
left and went to the Regency Hotel, which was about
six blocks from her house or townhouse on East sixty
eighth Street in Manhattan, and Catherine Stone was there because
they had a little part after the show. And she

(48:01):
saw then Dorothy in the corner with a man that
she couldn't quite tell who he was, sitting very close together,
talking very seriously. She says there was no laughter or anything.
It was a very serious conversation at some point during
that evening, and we're not quite sure what it was
when it was. She left, and then it's very cloudy

(48:25):
in terms of when she arrived home. But then Mark
Sinclair will tell you that the next morning, around nine o'clock,
he came to the townhouse and he was going to
fix her hair because she had an appointment with Carrie's
teacher that morning. And he went up into the third story.
He had a key to the house, and he went
up into the third floor and went to where she

(48:47):
would have her hair fixed and her makeup put on
and really fixed up, and she wasn't there, and he
was kind of surprised that she wasn't sitting there. There
was a bedroom adjacent then, as you'll learn in the
book that you right next to this room, this dressing
room kind of and the light was on in there,

(49:07):
and so he went in there, not thinking she would
be there. He was going to turn off the light,
and he saw her in bed. She was sitting up,
and he looked at her, and he went over and
he touched her. And you'll hear him say in a
very chilling interview on videotape, he knew she was dead
right away, and that's how he found her. And so

(49:28):
he went ahead and tried to get hold of the
butler who was there, and there's some unusual things that happened,
but he was so shocked by what occurred that he
left the apartment. He saw a police car out in
front of the building with a couple of police in there.
They weren't going to go up into the townhouse, but
they were just sitting there. And what Sinclair will tell

(49:49):
you is that what he noticed was that Dorothy was
not wearing the clothes that she normally wore to bed,
these pajamas and old socks. Her makeup, hair piece and
eyelashes were still on. There was a book on her
lap that was upside down that she'd already read her
reading glasses weren't around and all of that, and he

(50:09):
just knew it was most unusual. The air conditioning was on.
None of that made any sense. But he was so
shocked by it that he left. And what we know
happened next happens in the afternoon, and that's when finally
the authorities are called to the townhouse. And then there
are a lot of conflicting reports as to who first

(50:31):
found the body, saying that basically the body was discovered
in the afternoon. And Sinclair will tell you, well, that's
not true. I found that body in the morning, and
I don't know what happened between then and the afternoon.
Why didn't he call though, Well, it's an excellent question,
and you're going to ask yourself. Why didn't Catherine Stone

(50:51):
come forward? Why didn't Mark Sinclair come forward? Why didn't
Charles Simpson come forward? Well, they knew what Dorothy would.
She was telling them all about what she was doing
with the JFK assassination, and they knew she was in danger.
And right away they figured out it was the powers
to be. It was the sinister people in the country,

(51:13):
whether it was the mafia or Hoover's FBI or whoever
had obviously silenced Dorothy Kilgallen they had killed her. Well,
they were scared to death, and so they did not
come forward, just like family members didn't come forward, just
like people from what's my line didn't come forward. When
the medical examiner, and we can talk about all that,

(51:33):
with the corruption going on, decided she had died of
an accidental dose of or barbituates, of barbituate and alcohol,
nobody came forward. And I'll tell you how scared these
two hairdressers were in the videotape you will see that
when they were interviewed in well, I think Sinclair's no,
it's Simpson who says this in nineteen ninety nine or

(51:54):
two thousand. The interviewer says, you know, why didn't you
come forward like that? Well, I was scared to do so.
And he says, are you scared now? And he says yes.
And so that's the reason none of those people ever
came forward at that time. That's the reason this case
was closed with absolutely no investigation.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
And what year was that during that interview.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Sixty five? Okay, well that was still close to the time. Now,
was she known to mix pills and alcohol.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
You know, I just was talking about that the New
York Post article, which we'll talk about in a minute,
that was on this past Sunday that talks about the
DA investigating a fifty one year old case. I told
the reporter, Susan Adelman, who's been a real stalwart forgetting
the truth about what happened to Dorothy, I said, no,

(52:46):
there was no indication she was a drug abuser. There
was no indication she was an alcoholic. But you know,
what happens in life too much, and even these days,
is when we hear something about people, we for whatever reason,
believe the worst. So it was just so convenient to think, well,
maybe she was a drug addict and an alcoholic and
we just didn't know about it or anything. But there

(53:07):
was no evidence of that at all. And one of
the things I'm hoping to do, and I believe I've
done with the thousands of books that we've had sold
so far with with Dorothy's story, is restoring this reputation
of hers because so many people remember how she died
and believe that she was an alcoholic and a drug
addict when nothing could be even close to the truth. There.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, because normally, I don't know if it's someone to be,
you know, develop a habit with pills you need to
take quite a bit and drinking on top, and you
can kind of you know, they're not sharp. Then they
don't have an article, they don't they don't have a column,
they don't have a you know, they're not writing a book.
You know they're not they don't have a TV series,
they're not at the top of their game. You know,
you can kind of spot. And even when you look

(53:50):
at some of these guys like Truman, Capodia and stuff,
you can see he was out of it. He was
on pills and and use and stuff. You can you
can see those signs. But so and none of that.
You can't see that in her these clips. I've only
seen short clips like on what's my line and stuff
in case.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
There's nothing in there. She doesn't ever look like she's
out of it or anything else. Sinclair will say, you know,
people said she was, you know, had these problems. We'll
just look at her. Her figure was still good. She's
so sharp on that last show and the shows that
she had done. But let me ask you this, I'll
turn the tables a little bit you're a private investigator,

(54:25):
all right, and a renowned one. So you come into
a death scene and you see a woman sitting up
in bed and she's supposed to have slept there or
she's reading, you know, supposedly reading a book or something,
and she has on her hair piece, her eyelashes, and
her makeup on. Aren't you going to wonder about this

(54:46):
that she's and she's wearing clothes that look like she's
going out for the evening. She had on a bolero
jacket that had nothing to do with her going to bed,
And you look at that, wouldn't you say, hey, you
know what, Yeah, there's a second all bottle on the
on the little table next to the bed, and maybe,
you know, she took too many, or maybe there's something
with that. And then they went to the pharmacy and

(55:08):
found out that, you know, she had just had a
prescription for the regular amount all of that, but you
would wonder, hey, and the air conditioning is on, it's
freezing outside. I mean, there's all these clues that something's wrong,
and yet they just thought, well, okay, well fine, and
no investigation of any kind. And then we'll get to

(55:29):
the medical examiner's report. When you want to. But wouldn't
you have wondered what the hell was happening there?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Oh? That I still do. Yeah. And now was there
a police investigation at all or it was closed the
same day?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Absolutely none. And here's what happened. The medical examiner. There
was a New York Medical Examiner's Office at the time,
just like there is now. There was a Manhattan bureau
and there was a Brooklyn Bureau. Well, she died in Manhattan,
but they called the Brooklyn bureau, and the Brooklyn Bureau
comes to the medical examiner. Doctor Luke comes and he

(56:02):
looks at her and this kind of thing, and then
they take the body, not to Manhattan, they take it
to Brooklyn and he performs his autopsy there and a
few days later he issues this report that she died
of an acute dose of barbituates and alcohol. And then
get this colon circumstances undetermined. Okay, Yet, even with that

(56:27):
being said, the police don't get into action. And then
you're gonna read this, You're gonna find out what really
connects this into those people who wanted to get rid
of rid of Dorothy. The Brooklyn office I found the Okay,
here's what happened. They had the autopsy, the determination of
what happened to her, the conclusion no investigation. Three years later,

(56:50):
two toxicologists in the Medical Examiner's office. One of them
had kept some of Dorothy's liquids from her system in
a jar because he felt like that maybe later on
they could do some better tests on what was in
her system. And so he and a guy named Umberger,
a doctor Umberger, and a guy named John Broch do

(57:12):
tests on them, and they find not one barbituate in
her system, but three. They find second al to lanol
and feno barbital, and right away they know that there's
no way a woman could take these accidentally. There's all

(57:32):
kinds of evidence in the book that she didn't commit suicide.
That makes no sense whatsoever. And so they determined that
she was murdered. But once again, why wasn't this material
revealed to the police or whatever. And it's because they
were scared to do it. And so I found John
Broch's son, Chris, and John Broach's widow Eileen, and in

(57:55):
the book you will hear them talk about all the
corruption at the Medical Examiner's office in Brooklyn, and it
was controlled by the mafia at that time, there were
mafioso who controlled what was going on. Then there were
faulty autopsies. They were forced to sign autopsies when they
knew that they were faulty. And then to top it,

(58:15):
author's a doctor Stephen Goldener, who was around at that time,
who on the video is who has told me and
is in the book primary source again that there were
times when he just knew everything was being controlled with
the mafia. He has a great quote in there. He says,
it wasn't like Joe Banano, you know who was the
reputed not mafia oh soo walked in every day. But

(58:38):
we knew what was happening. And when John Broch and
I refused to sign a faulty medical examiner's autopsy report,
we were we were told to go out the door,
and we did. So. All that fits in with whoever
masterminded this killing of Dorothy, whoever put drinks in put

(59:00):
poison in her drinks, And we'll go into that in
a minute when you want to that. They they just
basically controlled all this, masterminded and everything, and they shut
this woman up, which is the worst form of censorship.
They just weren't going to let her publish her book
and that's why they killed her. So there's all those
links in there as to how all this was orchestrated

(59:23):
to get rid of Dorothy Kilgallen once and for all.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
You know, amazing how many similarities there are to the
Marilyn Monroe death, you know, with the Barbituates and the Kennedys,
And have you noticed any connections?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Well not really. The problem a bit with the with
the Merrilyn Monroe situation is the absence of of I believe,
primary sources there who can you know, specifically connect you know,
some people, of course believe the Kennedys connect them to
the ability to have caused Dorothy's death. I think there's

(01:00:01):
no question that the suspicion is there, and then it
probably happened. But it's not as easy to be able
to connect all that together as I felt it to
be with Dorothy's situation. Similarities are there in terms of
how they died, in the bedrooms and so on and
so forth, but there's a lot of conjecture that you
have to do to really get to the bottom of

(01:00:22):
the Marilyn Monroe situation, and I think that is what
is absent in Dorothy's case, because we've got these primary
witnesses who can tell us exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Then, you know, a new book coming out shortly by
Mike Rothmiller LPD and Vice Squad and Intelligence Department who
read Marilyn Monroe's diary and interview the wire tappers who
placed the taps in her house. And he says he
got some new information. So I'm looking forward to hearing
that he'll be coming on the show shortly. Yeah, yeah,
I can pitch in touch on him. He's a good

(01:00:53):
gut to Tug's got a little right wing for my taste.
But what are you gonna do? You gotta take care
the sources where they come from. Okay, let's take it
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appearing over there. Okay, Mark, I think where we left off,
you were talking about the poison and the drinks. Yeah,

(01:07:45):
what do you got with that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Yeah, here's here. Here's what's interesting. You know, the book
set up as a true crime murder mystery with all
these suspects, you know, all the enemies that the Dorothy
had and all of that. But the real question is, okay,
there's only three ways she could die side accidental death
or murder. So I wrestled with that. You know, first
of all, we we completely uh discounted suicide. Dorothy was Catholic,

(01:08:11):
as Mark Sinclair says in the videotape, she had so
much to live for. She had the book she was writing,
she'd been talking with the people about making a movie
out of the book. She had her she dearly loved
all three kids, but especially your young son Carrie. All
of that. So there's no way she committed suicide. So
now we go to accidental death. Well, what you what

(01:08:33):
you need to have with accidental death. You're a private investigator,
you know, is you've got to have, you know, something
that happened that that really you know, points toward that. Well,
swallowing one barbituate, you know, and taking too many of
them somehow or another, that is uh, you know, cause
for concern. And so this bottle empty bottle of second

(01:08:54):
all that was by her bed. There's a logic that
could say, hey, maybe she took too many and everything.
Well that's what the medical examiner decided when he issued
his official report. But when I got that autopsy report
from the National Archives that's never been published before, and
it's also up on those websites, I noticed in the

(01:09:15):
writing down in a couple pages where he listed second
all right under it was written tulanol. Well, tu lanol
is a step up or a little bit more dangerous
than second all taking that drug. And so that made
me really wonder why he never disclosed that to anybody.

(01:09:36):
He basically in anything that he said is that she
just died of a second all over dose, and so
he never mentioned all that. Well, that was very curious
to me. I was suspect of that. And then it
was interesting because I learned that again doctor Umberger and
John Broach had done these new tests in nineteen sixty eight,

(01:09:56):
and in a from a primary source that was involved
in that situation, we learned that when they did that,
they found the three barbituates. And so their conclusion was, hey,
no question about it. You know she was murdered. So
then I got in my own mind, well, let's try

(01:10:16):
to figure out just to make sure why it's not
possible for her to take have taken three barbituates. And
I don't want to give this away because I want people.
What I like to do is present the facts in
the book and let people make up their own mind.
But they're going to see a startling development that we
uncovered having to do with one of the three barbituates

(01:10:37):
that they found in her system, and it has to
do with some physical evidence that was found in the
bedroom where she died, and people can decide in their
own mind. Then, you know, I think it points to
absolutely no question about the fact that she was murdered.
But I want people to make up their own mind
that way. And none of that was ever revealed in

(01:11:00):
any police report. There wasn't even a police report, frankly,
in any autopsy of any kind at any time. And
so that's brand new, fresh evidence from primary sources that
people can take a look at, and then they can
make up their own mind that way as to exactly
how she died.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Did she have prescriptions for these other two barbituous?

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Well, see, you're such a good and private investigator you
would ask a question about that. I will tell you this.
She had a prescription for second.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
All, okay, But the other third one, Oh, well, we
have to wait to get the book.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
You're saying she had a prescription for second off, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Hey, what about a lot of times when you have
these accidental overdoses. You know, it's not that easy to overdose.
There's a couple of close calls where ambulances had the
comments that people found any of that stuff, people found
her passed out before.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
No, No, no history of anything else like that at all. No.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, Now what about are we at the stage of
the story now we want to start the naming suspects.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Yeah. I think what I've done in the book is
obviously she had compiled a lot of enemies on the
way up. So you got Frank Sinatra. You've got j
Edgar Hoover, who you know, kill Gallon's out there yelling
that the Oswald alone theory is ridiculous and making him
look like a fool. You've got Carlos Marcello, who is

(01:12:27):
I believe, as I've said, the mastermind of the JFK assassination,
who can't let a book be h be published after
he knows that she's been to New Orleans where he's
the king down there. And so you've got him, And
you've got Frank Costello, who is is Marcello's friend who's

(01:12:48):
in New York City, who you know may have had
something to do with what Marcello wanted done there, because
that's a connection that could work. And then I include
in there Richard Kalmer, who was Dorothy's husband, she had
told him that not only was she told her hairdress
so she had bought a gun, but also that she
was changing her will and that would have been a

(01:13:10):
big deal for Calmer. He had caught her at one
point with Johnny Ray and threatened Johnny Ray's life, and
so he had a violent tendency to him, and he
was an alcoholic and all that. So I put him
in the suspect list. But the main one is Ron Pataki,
and that's the guy that I told you conveniently came
into her life, lives in Ohio. I've let the DA

(01:13:33):
know about him. Sent two letters to the DA. One
was all inclusive about twenty reasons why they should investigate
Dorothy's death, including the fact that Pataki is still alive,
and then I sent a second one to them providing
a contact information for many of the witnesses who are
still round today, including Chris Brooch, Eileen Brooch, doctor Hoffman

(01:13:56):
who was in the m office, Steve Gordon, who's one
of the guys that was in the office. There was
a tutor that was close to the family. He's still alive.
I gave him that information, so they have all of that.
But I've asked them to focus on Ron Patacky because
these two poems, especially one of them has an image
of a bartender in color, and that the one of

(01:14:20):
the lines in the poem is about mixing poison in
the drink. Don't care which one it is. The other
poem has to do with muzzling a reporter to typewriter,
and as I have tried to scream to the DA,
there's no explanation really that can be possible for those

(01:14:43):
poems to have anything to do with anything other than
Dorothy Kilgallan's death. Now, Pattaki told me that they were
humorous and he was just having fun and all that
kind of thing. But if you read his interviews, he
gets very very upset when I talk about anything he
had to do with kill Gallon's death. He says he
wasn't even in New York that weekend, when we, I believe,

(01:15:05):
have shown that that's just impossible that he was. So
he denies any involvement. I want to make sure people
know that, and that was in the article in the
Post on Sunday, that he denies any involvement. But you know,
there's no question in my mind that he knows he
was either involved in her death or he knows who was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Okay, I might have zoned out for a second these poems.
I'm not the Pataki wrote these poems.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
He wrote them and they posted on his website.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
He posted on the website. Okay, So he has a website,
today's website. He has a website today.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah, he has a website today, Ron Pataki, and those
poems are gone, of course, but I have copies of them, Okay.
And you know, it's just incriminating evidence that makes you
stop and think. And that's what has I've gotten, and
you'd go to Amazon. There's eighty eighty some reviews and
most of them are very kind. I've gotten emails from

(01:16:01):
people all around the world, and the common theme there
is investigate this guy. Those poems are so blatant in
terms of there's got to be something that he knows
about this. And I think that's what helped with Susan
Aedelman also in the post articles mentioning that I think
that's what convinced the New York DA to look into

(01:16:23):
Dorothy's case.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Now fascinating, now, Pataki, what was the purpose of his website?
Why did he was it about being married to kill Allen?

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
No. No, he does have on a Facebook page a
photograph of her that's in the book, and he does
talk about his celebrity people that he knew. But no,
he fancied himself a writer, and he wrote a self
published book that had humorous poems in it. He also
had some drawings that were on the website. I'm trying

(01:16:55):
to remember exactly what's on there, but that was at
one time he wanted to be a songwriter, so I
think there was some up there with that. But when
I first went to the website and saw the two poems,
I mean, it just you know, blasted out of the
screen that hey, wait a minute, this guy had something
to do with Dorothy's death.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Now, what is his theory of the cause of death?
Does he have one?

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Well, that's that's what's fascinating. He vacillates back and forth.
He doesn't think that she he'll say that, you know,
you'll read that. He says, you know, suicide, you know,
I don't think so. And then he kind of turns
that around us as well. Maybe and then with accidental death,
that's how he what he thinks happened, that she might

(01:17:40):
have taken too many pills. But the most interesting thing
to me is that she was in love with him.
Dorothy was. There's no question about him. We've proved the
love affair is in there. He says that didn't happen,
that it wasn't a romantic love affair, when we've shown
otherwise that it was. He wrote her some letters, He
wrote her some Valentines and things like that, so it

(01:18:01):
was so he's not telling the truth about that. But he,
you know, he just denies that anything happened. But you'll
see him really get upset when I asked him about
those kind of things, and you know, he's in denial,
I think with regard to what happened. But he shows
absolutely no remorse over Dorothy possibly having been murdered. I

(01:18:23):
told him, you know, I had all this evidence. I've
sent him the book. I haven't heard from him. I
wanted him to know what was going to be happening here.
I didn't want him to have any surprises. He hasn't
sent me anything that said, you know, hey, this is awful.
You've accused me, you've done this. People have asked me
during interviews, Mark, is he going to sue you? My
belief is he won't. And the reason is what, because

(01:18:46):
he would never want to be in a courtroom, because
if he was in a courtroom under oath, he would
have to answer questions about all these things when he
found out about her death, all these things that don't
make any sense, and that would incriminate him even further.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Old is he today?

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
He's eighty one?

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Eighty one? Okay? And I said too old? Okay? Now
are there any other What about Dorothy's son? How old
is he today?

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Okay? Well, people want to know did they cooperate with
you Mark on this book? And I have to say no,
And I will tell you how that happened. Three children.
The oldest is Dickie. He lives in the northeast, some
play or northwest someplace. I've contacted him by email with
no response. Jill, Well, let's go to Carrie. Carrie was

(01:19:33):
the youngest son. He's the one that was befriended by
the president, and he lives in the southeast. And I
found out where he worked and left a message for him.
I have not heard from him. Jill lives in California.
She's the middle child, and she's the one that had
arguments with Dorothy about her affair with Ron PATTACKI that

(01:19:55):
rotten that Mark Sinclair talks about excuse me. And I
actually acted her and talk to her and tried to
explain to her that I was trying to get justice
for Dorothy. I was fighting for Dorothy. I was trying
to be the voice for Dorothy, which I am to today.
And I said, you know, I want to clear this up.
And she said, Mark, I just can't talk about it.
And I said, all right, I'm going to. I'm going

(01:20:17):
to make you a deal, you and your brothers. I
will show you the manuscript that I've written and you
can read it, and if you tell me not to
publish the book, I won't do so. And she said, well,
I don't know about that or anything. I said, well,
you just let me know, because otherwise I'm going to
go ahead and publish this book. And I never heard
from her. The problem with the kids is this. It

(01:20:39):
was not a happy home. In nineteen sixty five. Dicky
was away. They all knew about the problems with the
marriage Carrie. Dorothy was worried about him and what might
happen to him. Jill and Dorothy were arguing, and here
is what happens. Their mother's announced that she died as
a drug add a drug overdose and alcohol, and that's

(01:21:03):
got to be really tough, you know, for kids who
are going through that. And then Richard never got any better.
His alcoholism kind of continued. He married again, but he
wasn't very happy, and finally a couple of years after
I think it's two years after he committed suicide. Well,
these are not memories that you want to talk about
if you're the kids, and so I think that's the

(01:21:25):
rational for them not having anything to do with what
occurred back then. And also they may have some some
trepidations about talking to this about this even though it's
fifty plus years later. I don't know, but that's the
situation with the kids that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
You must be familiar with this phenomenon that when one
person in the family commits suicide, then it becomes more
common for others to commit suicide. So now, for her
husband committed suicide, what do you make of that? Any
suspicion around his death or.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Tell you there really he wasn't much investigation about that either.
I think that they, you know, decided anyway that it
was probably again a combination of alcohol and drugs because
he did have some indications of drug abuse with cocaine
and with tulanol and with other kinds of things, and
I think there was the belief at that time, at

(01:22:22):
least without much of investigation, if any, that he had
committed suicide. I don't see any connection with that with
what happened to Dorothy, but you know, that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
What year was his suicide.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
I'm pretty sure it was sixty seven, but it might
have been sixty eight. I'd have to look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
But around that time, that's interesting, and he had a
pretty serious addiction to pills, and could she have gotten
a hold of his pills?

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I don't think so. At one point, I felt like
while I was researching this, you know, as a private investigator,
you kind of come up with different theories as you
move along during evidence and things. I wondered at one
time whether there Dorothy came home and she was going
to have trouble sleeping and she'd run out of second all.

(01:23:09):
Carrie Richard's their son, at one point, told another author
that Richard had kind of a stash of tulanol for
whatever reason, that he used it for sleep and everything.
And I've just wondered, I can't prove it, and so
I just, you know, let it go. But the potential,

(01:23:30):
I guess was there. Let's say Dorothy, you know, run
out of second All and she couldn't sleep, and she
goes to Richard and says, do you have anything to
help me? And she's already taken you know, a couple
of pills with second All, let's say, and he gives
her some tulanol and somehow or another, you know, that
mix is in there and maybe she isn't still able
to sleep, and somehow or another he has you know,

(01:23:53):
some phoena barbital or whatever, and somehow or another he
gives her too much of that and she died from that.
That's giving him a break that that may have happened accidentally.
Most interesting, too, I think you'd find ed, is what
happened between nine o'clock in the morning and two or
three in the afternoon when the police were called. We

(01:24:15):
don't know much about that situation as to what happened,
but at three o'clock, you know, the police come, medical
examiner comes. Richard there is there. He's drunk, can hardly
make sense of much as people reading the book. He
says she came home at eleven thirty, which is impossible
because she was seen at the Regency Hotel after one o'clock,

(01:24:40):
so he wasn't telling the truth about that. And then
you know, you know, Joan Crawford, the Great actress, was
one of Dorothy's friends. She shows up, and then Jill
shows up with her husband. Jill may have some information
about that, but she won't talk about it. So we
really don't know what happened between nine and two, and

(01:25:01):
that is a real mystery that probably will never be solved.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Now, these people were showing up before the cops came,
or after.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
The cops came about the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
At the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
They first called a physician who lived down the street,
and he came over and took a look and said,
of course she's dead. But the medical examiner and the
police never showed up until about mid afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Now, in the JFK community, the conspiracy, the investigative researchers community,
it's pretty much everyone always points to this and says, well,
obviously I had to be some kind of a murder
to shut her up, because she had so much, she
was so deep into this. But the people around her though,
are any of them besides her kids, friends like a

(01:25:44):
Joan Crawford, like they saying these kind of people, did
any of them think that, oh, yeah, it was probably
a suicide or an accidental overdose.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Well, we really don't know, Stee, because most of those
people are not alive. We know that prior to the
last show she did on Sunday Night, she showed Bennett Surf,
the co founder of Random House, who had, you know,
made the deal for her to write the book. We
know he showed she showed him a chapter or two
of her book that she was writing. We know she

(01:26:12):
had a thick investigative file. There's some testimony in there
in the book by Johnny Ray's. Johnny Ray was writing
an autobiography and the author who was working with him
says that he, you know, they knew what was in
that file. And so we know a little bit about
the fact that it had interviews and documents and different

(01:26:33):
things in there. But again, when she died, it disappeared. Now,
Richard Kammer later has made a couple of conflicting statements
that it had caused enough trouble already. Is one of
his statements which makes you think that he knew, you
know that it was connected to her jfk assassination, that
she died. He said to somebody that he'd gotten rid

(01:26:56):
of it. One of the things that I hope will happen.
And there there have been two New York Post articles.
The first one was a full two page article on
December fourth, two days before the book came out, by
Susan Adelman, and it it really chronicled a lot of
what was in the book that I had surmised about
kill Gallan's life and her death. And I will tell

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you how popular it was. Susan shared with me that
almost a quarter of a million people viewed that article.
That's how fascinated they were with Dorothy Kilgallen, her magic
name and all of that. Then, and that sent book
sales through the roof. And I don't really care about
the book sales, I will say, I want people to

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know about Dorothy's story, and I wanted to know about
the fact that she wasn't a drug addict and alcohol.
Then this past Sunday, Susan wrote another article which revealed
that the DA was looking into Dorothy's death, and she
talked about Pataki a bit. She talked about other matters
in there, and once again, there were thousands of people,

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hundreds of thousands of people who looked at that particular
that particular article. What has happened is that I've been
contacted now by people who have given me a little
bit of new information that I'm going to check out
about what happened way back then, and I'm hoping that
it's going to reveal some more facts, some more clues,

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some more primary witnesses that can tell me about more
what happened back then and why some of these people
didn't come forward and all of that. So it's a
continuing investigation, and I'm going to cooperate with them and
see whether or not we can come up with a
real plausible I think I have a plausible scenario in

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the book as to how I think she died, but
hopefully we can add to that so that we really
know what happened back then.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Well it's plausible enough that the DA would reopen the investigation.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Now, Yeah, I think that gives validation to what I've done,
And I appreciated that very much that they decided to
look into it, because, well, here's what I thought would
have My agent said it was a trillion to one
that they would look into it. But I gave it
a shot anyway. But here's what I thought. They'd come
back and say, Mark, we had fifty seven murders last night.
We're not going to look into a case. It's fifty

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one plus years old. But but you know they are, Yeah,
that's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
You know they'll you got to probably step over a
body in Brooklyn before they can open up a case, exactly.
They got to be the body got to be there
on the police headquarters, the steps. Now, but now the
book treatment you know that that she was preparing, Does
Random House have that? And what about the material she
was working on with Random House? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Now they never found They never found that. A book
was published called Murder One a couple of years later,
and it used a lot of her material that she'd written.
It talked about various cases in her lifetime, the famous
cases that I mentioned, doctor Sam Sheppard, the Lindberg case,
all that kind of things. But there's nothing in there

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about the jfk assassination. They just used old columns and
articles and things like that, and a ghostwriter and that
book came out a couple years later. It was a bestseller.
But it had nothing to do with the JFK assassination.
And this is what really bothers me. The killers one
the killers won because she disappeared for fifty years and

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all of her investigation stuff never published until now, and
they won, and they did, they were successful, and exactly
what they did. They killed her. She disappeared, she was
rased on the face of the earth, and they won.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Yes, such a high profile person too, you know, like
she was more at a weekly television show back then
when there weren't that many shows on you and these
these shows when everybody was sitting there from the TVs,
from what's my line and stuff. And the fact that
her book treatment and all these files are missing is
probably the most glaring indictment of all this, because what's

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the motivation for that stuff disappearing? It would have to
be the same motivation for her death.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
You know what I'm saying, What I'm hoping, what I'm
hoping is that the file is out there somewhere. I've
had some conjecture that the FBI, if in fact it
was Hoover who snuffed her out, that they might have
it in their files. And I've heard that, you know,
maybe one of the children, you know, somewhere another that
Richard Kammer gave it to them or whatever. You know.

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I keep hoping when I open an email it is
from some new evidence or new clues about things that
somebody will say, Hey, you know, I happen to know
where it was she gave it to Joan Crawford, as
she gave it to this person or that person or something.
But so far that hasn't happened.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Yeah, that's true, because when you got a big article
like this in the Post and stuff like that, people
do come out of the woodwork. Now it's rights. Now,
I know you sent the letter to the Brooklyn in
the Manhattan DA's office.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Right right, yeah, Cyberus Spance Juniors the DA.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Oh yeah, cyber Spans Junior Sidevance. Okay, he was the
Secretary of State. Been dead son, yeah right, okay, that's right. Yeah.
He's been involving in some big cases too than some
weird stuff. And I think about it, I have to
go back into that. Now, why'd you go to Manhattan
in that Brooklyn?

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Well, I guess I felt like that that was the
most logical situation because she died in Manhattan, you know,
I mean that's where it all should have taken place.
And you'll you'll hear, you'll read you can't hear, but
you'll read Stephen Goldener, the guy in the office, and Hoffman,
and you know, why did they use the Brooklyn office?
It made no sense. That's the first clue you have.

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Something's wrong. Well, he used it because they could control
things there. They couldn't control them in the Manhattan DA's office.
So that's one of the big clues about the fact
that something happened there. And so I decided to go
to Manhattan DA and see if they can look into this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
And you contacted the manhattan' DAVA letter and now did
they respond to you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
No, No, they haven't responded to me, which didn't make
me real happy. But soon Alman took up the banner.
She kept after him, and she talked to the spokesman
and she did all that, and I just praise her
so much, because, as I told her the other day,
you're acting exactly like Dorothy Kilgallen. They wouldn't give her information,
and finally she just told him she was going to

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file a Freedom of Information Act request and she was
going to do this, and she was going to do
that and bad mouth them in a story, and so
they got back to her and told her they were
looking into the case. So I have the most utmost
respect for Susan Adelman and the Post for going after this,
because an awful lot of journalists that I contacted about

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this and trying to get them to look into the
fact that one of their own a journalists was killed
in the line of duty, they haven't even you know,
they don't care about it. Of course, we have this
whole mess in Washington that's taking up the headline. That's
the other thing that amazed me about the Post article
Sunday that it came you know, it was published the

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same day when all this immigration stuff came out, and
yet it's a huge story for the Post. So maybe somebody,
some people needed relief from all of the craziness in
Washington and decided to look into Dorothy's death, I guess.
But yeah, Susan is a real champion, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Now. But wouldn't the Manhattan DA's Office. Wouldn't they be
contacting you to find out what material because there's materia
you can't put in a book because you don't want
to get sued. But you can give it to a
DA's office. You know what I'm saying. Now, why wouldn't
they be contacting you and saying, hey, you know Mark,
we want to sell your stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Well, I think to be for this period of time
it took them they had somebody had to read the book,
somebody had to look at the letter, somebody had to
look at the video all that. So I give them
that I have been put in touch with the with
the spokesman for the for the DA's office now and
so I've sent her an email telling her about some

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developments on my end. And that was just Monday. So
if I don't hear from him the next couple of days,
then I'll get after it, and I know Susan will.
So I think there's a viable explanation for why I
didn't hear from them. That they needed to do their
research to see if I was just some kook out
there that you know, I was trying to sell books.
I mean, that's an easy assumption to make that I'm

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doing all this so that I can sell books and
become wealthy and moved to Las Vegas like all you
you wealthy people do. But that's not what it's about
for me at all. But finally I guess they decided, Hey,
maybe we'll think this guy's serious about this, so hopefully
they'll continue to believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
But they're talking to Susan, they're talking back and forth
with her about this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Just email, just email. Nobody talks to anybody anymore. You
don't do that fast. And I don't text, so they
can't text me. So I suppose that I have a
flip phone, so you know, I'm way back in the
nineteenth century here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Yeah, I don't text either.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
I'll text from my computer, from the laptop or the computer.
I have an app that I use to text people.
But I'm I got to walk around with a phone
all day long with people that be able to get
a hold of me. You know, who the hell wants that?
That's the last thing you want. You know, how old
are you? Exactly how old you?

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
I'm seventy one, seventy one, Yes, I'm twenty one years young.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Yeah I'm fifty four. But I don't need that. I
don't need constant to leash around my now. That's the
last thing I know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
It just drives me crazy when I see these smartphones
glued to somebody's nose. For God's sake, you have to
walk watch walking down the street because somebody will just
run into you. They don't, they're not paying attention. It's bad.
It's this is awful stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
It really is, it really is. You know, I can't
agree with you more. And there's this thing going around
Facebook today with a sign they put up at a
preschool saying, hey, you know, when you pick up your kids,
you know, and put your phone down because they didn't
want to show you their art work and they, you know,
they want to see their mom, you know, and get
a hug. Yeah, well, what the hell's going on? So yeah,
I don't get into that stuff at all.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
It took everything I had the other day when I
was having breakfast in a restaurant near here, guy a
really nice guy look like, and he was with three
young boys and they were talking and having fun and
everything else. And he's not talking to him, He's he's
texting on his his the smartphone. I wanted to take
that smartphone and smash it against the wall. Yeah, it's like, hey,

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you know, these kids are going to grow up and
these are special times with them, and you know, but
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
I hear you now, since you've been getting all this
this publicity impressed the book came out, Are you getting
any new tips are coming in?

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Yeah? I have, and I can't really divulge those now
because I want to look into them. I'm very thorough,
just like you are. When you do investigations, you know
you you hear things, and the first thing you want
to know is whether it's a hoax, because everybody wants
to be important, everybody wants to see their name and headlines.
And I've gotten some pretty strange ones. One was about

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my writing a new book about Einstein's theory, and neither
am I smart enough nor would I want to write
about that subject. And I've gotten some pretty weird ones
with regard to theories about the JFK assassination, but that's
to be expected. But there have been some legitimate ones,
one or two especially, and I'm looking into those and

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I'm going to do that on my own, and then
I'm going to hope that the DA will join me
in looking into those situations as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Yeah, you got to people. You gotta be so careful
when you when you you're in the midst of all
this kind of stuff, because people will contact you trying
to fejet this info to discredit your work, you know.
And the other thing too is that people will insert
themselves in your life, you know, like this character Pattacking
like you know, allegedly inserted himself into kill Gallan's life,

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you know, And and that happens too, you know, people
try and assert themselves in your life. That are not
your best advantage. You know, have you experienced any and
all the.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Work you've done, Well, yeah, I think that happens. And
people are well meaning and all of that, but you
have to pay attention to all of them, as you know,
you have to run out everything that happens. Because, for instance,
I have a good feeling that PATTACKI these poems that
he wrote have to do with guilt on his part
that he can't get this out of his mind, that

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he knows something about it. And I gave him the opportunity.
I said, you know, this woman loved you, tell me
what happened, Ron, come on, tell me what happened. And
he wouldn't do that. But I have a feeling that
he may have talked to people about this over the years.
I'm working through a gentleman in Ohio who is a
reader of the book, and who's doing this for me
as a friend who knows a reporter there in Ohio,

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and he's going to meet with this reporter and see
whether or not this reporter is interested in a story
there about this whole situation, especially Ron. I'm hoping he'll
write an article, because what would that do if people
knew about the suspicions about maybe at some point during
all these years he got drunk or he just wanted

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to spill the beans to somebody about it all. That's
very possible that that could have happened. And that's what
I'm looking for, that something may occur that way that
somebody may have read about it, because frankly, most people
in Columbus, where he lives, I'm not afraid to say
that Columbus, Ohio, probably will have never read the New
York Post article. They probably don't know anything about Pataki

(01:40:30):
being a suspect here. But if there's something in their
local paper, then it may trigger, you know, some interests
from people of saying, hey, you know, one night ba
da da dah, and this is what he said. So
we'll see if that happened. But I just got a
hunch for some reason you use hunches in your business.
I've got a hunch that may have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Well should as a defense attorney, you know how many
times you tell your client to keep their mouth shut.
There they left to talk about this stuff that they're
seldom you know, they'll talk about people that got the
informant written right on their T shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
You know. Well, a defense lawyer right now would be
terribly upset with Ron for talking to me. Yeah, And
I told him, man audio recorded one of the conversations.
We have a real long one, and I have that
and I told him, you know that I had suspicions
about him, and that, you know, the interviews that i'd
heard he'd done before, there were conflicts in there and
all of that. And he went right ahead and talked

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to me. And so I'm sure if something happens with this,
any defense lawyer would say, why in the world, you know,
did you talk about it? But you know as well
as I do that what happens with people. I always
used to say when I was a defense lawyer back then,
I'd say, listen, if you get in any trouble, don't confess,

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don't talk to anybody, don't confess and don't leave any fingerprints,
otherwise I can help you. Okay, today it would be
don't leave any DNA. But back then, that's what I
used to say to them. But they can't help it.
When they're arrested or their question, they want to talk.
They want to give an explanation, which usually is ludicrous

(01:42:09):
for what happened or whatever. They just can't shut up.
They should carry around duct tape with them so they
can close their mouth, because, as you know, most people
convict themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
It's so true, you know, like because they think they
can talk their way out of it before the end,
they would just get arrested right away, you know, but
they don't have the hancuffs sign yet. It's think, well,
i'll just keep talking, maybe talk my way out of
this exactly, so.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
Exactly, duct tape is the answer. I'm telling you. People
should have a roll of duct tape in there in
their car or in their purse or something, just in case,
because I from my experience especially, you know, I used
to have to try to try to explain away these
things that they say, which makes absolutely no sense, and
just incriminate them. And that's why they Most of those

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people are still in prison today.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
It's so true.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Before the show started, we were saying about the why
it's fifty years ago? Why is a story still important today?

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Oh? Good, thank you, thank you for asking that, because
I'd forgotten that. Here's my answer. Murder is murder. I
don't care if it happened five days ago, five years ago,
or fifty years ago. There's no statute of limitation. And Dorothy,
we've proven there's a homicide. I believe, and I think
the DA knows that. Okay, if there's a homicide, there's
a victim, and victims have rights, and I don't care

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if it happened five days ago or five years ago.
Dorothy Kilgallen has rights. I'm trying to get those rights
for her. And what rights does she have? An investigation?
There was none. It's not a reinvestigation, it's an investigation.
So that's why it's important today. Plus, I really get
sick and tired of the media being attacked today. It's

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just a common thing to blame it on the media,
and some of them are responsible for fake news and
things like that, but most reporters really try to get
after the truth. That's what Dorothy did. She was in
love with the truth. And there are reporters like that
today and many times they're threatened, you know, not maybe
to the extent that what happened to Dorothy, but it

(01:44:11):
happens today as well. And so I see the connection
between what happened to Dorothy back then and what happened now.
I was on a radio show this morning in Florida
where the host said that, you know, he's being sued
by several people, and he was joking about it, but
there have been threats on his life. Well nothing's changed
in fifty years. Then you have to watch that. You know,

(01:44:34):
even with your radio program, if you offend somebody, you
put yourself in danger. And that's what I see as
the connection between what happened to Dorothy and what happened today.
And it's just as sad today as it was way
back then, and of course to the extreme extent. You know,

(01:44:55):
censorship occurred when Dorothy died. And we need people to
tell the truth, need them to not be afraid to
tell the truth. And and I'm hoping that, you know,
people will see that connection between what happened way back
then and what happened what happens today.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
You know, that's excellent. And if we can make a
point of this and show that, hey, we can get
justice even fifty years later. People in power today, the
people in power today that are threatening us, you know
and doing this kind of stuff, well maybe get the hint,
you know, and say, hey, maybe fifty years from now,
when I'm an eighty years old, I'll get thrown in
prison or bring shame to my family and my kids
and you know, my legacy and history exactly. Yeah, we

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got to keep working on this stuff. We can't give
it up.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
And you also risk what happened to Dorothy, you know,
with them trying to taint your reputation, right of bringing
up things in your past and going after you that way,
throwing mud at at Ed Opperman, you know, discredits his
ability to to you know, for people to believe what

(01:45:58):
he's saying. And so that's the other way you do this,
and that's that's a modern technique that we see all
the time. And they did that with Dorothy after she
exposed Jack Ruby's testimony before the Warren Commission. You know,
there were all of these people that were saying, you know,
she's flighty, she's irresponsible. You know, she shouldn't have done
this all of that, and so you start, you know,
looking into two things that will discredit her. And and

(01:46:21):
that's another way that you can get to you know,
you can go after journalists or radio talk show hosts
or whoever it may be.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
And how about you working on all these things, Melvin
Belly and stuff like that, and now kill gallant things.
Have you ever had any kind of threats of lawsuits
or intimidation?

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
No, not not lawsuits so much, but I've gotten emails
that are that are somewhat threatening and saying, you know,
enough is enough. I'm interested that that hasn't happened with
this book. I thought there would people be people who
might say, hey, you should have left this case alone.
My agent jokingly said that the name of the book

(01:47:00):
is a reporter who knew too much. I hope you're
not the author who knew too much, which is just
kind of what you said earlier. But you know, you're
like me. If you start thinking about those kind of things,
then you know you can't be an author or a
talk show host or whatever else it may be. You
can't worry about it. If somebody's going to harm you
these days, they will, but I don't worry about it,

(01:47:22):
but so far, at least, you know, with regard to
what happened to Dorothy, a lot of the people who
could have who I believe were involved other than Pataki
or dead, So you know, you don't know if relatives
might come around or do something, but I don't worry
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Real quick before we go, Melvin Belli, did you ever
talk to him about the Zodiac?

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
No? You know, bell I was an interesting guy. There
were two cases that he really wouldn't talk about. One
was the Zodiac because I think he was somewhat embarrassed
by the way that he was used in that particular case.
If you watch the movie, you'll see that he was
kind of used by the Zodiac. At one point, he
actually had evidence in his possession because he'd gotten a

(01:48:05):
letter I believe from the Zodiac killer, and he didn't
turn it over the police right away. So he wouldn't
talk about that. And let me tell you this, he
would not talk about the Jack Ruby case to anybody.
I've interviewed his associates, I've interviewed other people that knew him,
interviewed his secretaries. All of that is in the Belie book,
but some of it's in this new book that he
didn't want anything to do with that. They talk about

(01:48:28):
his love for the mafia, and he loved the mafia
and they loved him, and he would talk about all
of his cases and everything else, but not one word
about Jack Ruby. And of course that lends to my
suspicions that he was hired by the mafia to represent
Jack Ruby use that insanity defense, never let Ruby testify,
and that way they buttoned up Jack Ruby. And I

(01:48:51):
really believe that that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Okay, A couple of questions real quick. Then the letter
he got from the Zodiac. Has anybody ever seen them?
And has that come public?

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Yeah? I think so. I think if you watch the
film you'll see it, and I think you can check.
But I believe all that is public record. And I
remember the scene where they come to his home up
here on Broadway, had this mansion up there. I went
to a party there one time. It was just fascinating

(01:49:20):
and Belli is behind a desk and the police come
and I don't know if he called him or somebody
called him, and he is sitting there and he says,
I have this. They say, do you have some some
evidence or something we should do, anything we should know about.
He said, well, hey, I got this letter from guy,
and of course they're just incredulous that he wouldn't have
showed it to him. And then there's the maid that's

(01:49:43):
there who accepted a phone call from the guy that
they thought was the zodiac. So, you know, I think
those are all that's a matter of public record, as
at least I would believe it is.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Now, now, what about his case notes and his work
product with the Ruby that should be like historical evidence
of a record, you know, is that public?

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
No? In fact, Bellye when he died, he had all
these boxes of documents in the basement, and there was
a lawyer who was associate with his and I talked
to him, and at one point there was an auction
of a lot of Bell Eye stuff and he bought
Bells those boxes of documents and books and things like that.
He told me he looked through it and there really

(01:50:26):
wasn't anything in there about his work product or anything else.
There were just some letters that had been sent by
people about the case and all that. He didn't seem
to think they were very important. I asked him if
I could take a look at him, but he didn't
really want me to. But apparently there was nothing in
there that would have, you know, provided an insight into
what Bellye did at the Ruby trial.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Then where could that material be?

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Well, this guy has it, he has it in his possession.
He bought it, so he's not going to share it apparently.
But I know this guy and I have a lot
of respect for him, and I think he told me
the truth. I don't think there was anything in there
that you know, was was of interest. Okay, and that
would be like bell I. Bell I would have gotten
rid of that stuff, he wouldn't have kept it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
But it's just some such historic significance, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
Cover ups everywhere, ups everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Well, hopefully if we can get Mark Shawts to host
a show here at the Awake Radio, a lot of
that stuff will be uncovered. Okay, So I'll be talking
to you. Yeah, I'll be talking to you about that.
I'm very excited to talk to you about that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Good Mark show.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Thank you so much, and I'll be in touch with
you about the show. But Mark Show, the reporter who
Knew too much? The mysterious deaths of What's My Line?
TV star and media icon Dorothy Kilgallen. You could find
Mark Shaw on Febru twenty second at a Commonwealth Club
in San Francisco. His website is Markshawbooks dot com. And

(01:52:00):
then there's a couple of websites about the kill Gallon
stuff is. One is Dorothy Kilgallonstory dot org and another
one is the Reporter who Knew too Much dot com. Mark,
thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
Hey, thank you ed terrific questions and I just really
appreciate your letting me tell Dorothy's story.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Well, thank you. This was great. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Good Nay, Okay, there we had Mark Shaw, great stuff.
I'm trying to get into the host of show, as
you could tell, which I think the last few guests
I've been trying to get him. We had what was
his name, Antonio Fernandez. I tried to get him to
host the show, and then Sandra Hicks, I'm getting him.
He Santa Hexes, we got him signed up for sure,

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and I think Mark Show we got him as well.
So great stuff with Mike Tyson and all that and
all this Dorothy kill Gallon stuff. I remember watching the
repeats of What's My Line when I was a kid,
they would play it in the afternoon. You know what. Yeah,
that's true because I was born in sixty two, so

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I guess they'd be playing these repeats like around you know,
sixty seven, sixty eight, you know, in the afternoons. I
can remember watching it while my mother ironed in our
living room in the Bronx. So great stuff. And everyone
always talks about how kil Galland was murdered for knowing
too much. May Brussels talked about it. You know, this

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is something that's gone on for years and years and years.
I think it's a really great work that we get
this book out. You know the deal. If you like
the show and you go to Operamanreport dot com, we're
just updated the members section over there, some new content,
some new court documents involving Jeffrey Epstein. There's a new

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lawsuit in New York City. Gotta be uploading a couple
of new shows up there that I have in the
can and recording some stuff this week on a lot
of bios. Coming up on Saturday Tomorrow, five pm Pacific
Standard time on American Freedom Radio, we have coming up

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this couple I forget their name right now, with this
couple who lived in Libya during the beginning Ghazi attack,
and they have a whole they know all the tribes
over there in Libya, they have all a lot of
inside information stuff like that, and they're in fear for
their lives right now because of the information they've been releasing.
So we're going to be discussing more Libya overthrow, more

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been Ghazi, more of the Clinton's looting of the Libyan
you know, all the funds and Libya. It's in those
WikiLeaks what do you call It's in those WikiLeaks emails
about talking about how much valuable resources in gold Kadafi
had on being stone from. So that's on Saturday, We're

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doing a Libya show. H got some storytime stuff for
you after this tonight when I go live, stuff about
growing up in the Bronx and stuff. Always appreciate your
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at Opermanreport dot com. We always appreciate that too as well.
Support the members section and so keeps us going, keeps
us alive here if you're interested. You know, we're just
talking to this new potential host. One of the issues
we have that I could be getting more hosts to
come on the show more often as signing up new

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people is the learning curve when we get up to
sign up and then send them over a copy of
Sam Broadcaster and teaching them how to use it. If
we had someone out there, like a technical engineer and
audio and engineer type who wanted to take over that role,
and whenever we had a new host to train them
on that and teach them how to use it. Now
you could learn it yourself. It's really easy. I learned

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how to do it. It's a piece of cake once
you know how to do it. And then we'll give
you all the encoders for the different stations, and you know,
we enter the encoders and then teach them how to
log on, log off, create a little MP three. Anybody
wanted to kind of engineering help, we can really really
use that. There was a local guy here in Vegas
who contacted me on what do you call that? On Twitter?

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And I said he wanted to come to my house here,
into my studio and help me out and setting that up.
So maybe if we can get him to help train
these people and set them up, that would be a
big big deal because we really want to get you know,
I don't want to just anybody have a show. I
want people like this, lawyers, you know, William Ramsey's a lawyer,
Guys like Pierce Redmond guys like Ted Rubinstein, real investigators,

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people doing real work, real journalism, and that's the kind
of stuff we're looking for. So you can always email
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