- Explores the murder of Mary Pinchot Meyer and her connected to President Kennedy
- Ideal book for fans of The Devil’s Chessboard by David Talbot, The Reporter Who Knew Too Much by Dorothy Kilgallen, Dr. Mary’s Monkey by Edward T. Haslam, and other JFK conspiracy books
- Updated edition of the true crime expose, including new evidence and government documents corroborating the conspiracy to assassinate JFK’s trusted ally and final true love
The death of Mary Meyer left many Americans with questions. Who really killed her? Why did CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton rush to find and confiscate her diary? Had she discovered the plan to assassinate her lover, President Kennedy, with the trail of information ending at the steps of the CIA? Was it only coincidence that she was killed less than three weeks after the release of the Warren Commission Report?
Fans of The Murder of Mary Russell, JFK: A Vision for America, and other JFK books will love Mary’s Mosaic. Building and relying on years of interviews and painstaking research, author Peter Janney follows the key events and influences in Mary Pinchot Meyer’s life—her first meeting with Jack Kennedy; her support of her secret lover, President Kennedy, as he worked towards the pursuit of world peace and away from the Cold War; and her exploration of psychedelic drugs. Fifty years after the assassinations of President Kennedy and Mary Meyer, this book helps readers understand why both took place.
Author Peter Janney fought for two years to obtain documents from the National Personnel Records Center and the US Army to complete this third edition. It includes a final chapter about the mystery man who could be the missing piece to learn the truth behind Meyer’s murder.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the Opperman Report and now here is investigator.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, private
investigator Ed Opperman. Now you can get a hold of
me at Opperman Investigations and Digital Forensic Consulting. Just reached
out to me through my email Opperman Investigations at gmail
dot com. Today we have Peter Jenny. Now you can
find him at Mary's Mosaic dot net. And the book
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we're talking about today is called Mary's Mosaic, The CIA
Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary pinschow Meyer and
the Vision for World Pieces. The third edition of the
book just came out by Peter Jenny. This is a
fascinating story about how this woman was murdered and they
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came up with this crazy story about how this guy
just happened to me walking out of prison, you know,
out of jail. It's on a spurt them what was
this murdered people? But there's a lot more and that
good old James Angleton comes up in this story. There's
a lot to this story. So, mister Peter Janney, are
you there?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I am indeed, good morning or good afternoon, depending on
where you are.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, it's afternoon twelve twelve o sevens. I'd say, that's
afternoon before we get into your book, care Mary's Mosaic,
The CIA Conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy and Mary
pinchel Meyer, I'll tell us about yourself. Who is Peter
and Janny.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, you know, I grew up in Washington, d C.
My dad was a very prominent official in the Central
Intelligence Agency. I knew the woman Mary pinchel Meyer very
well because she was my best friend's mother while I
was growing up. And actually my mother and Mary Meyer
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went to college together where they were in the same
class together, and so socially, our family families were very
very close, and as with a number of other Washington
families who were, you know, kind of in the intelligence world.
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So I have a lot of experience with what I
wrote about. Of course, it still took me many, many
years to put the book together in the way that
you know, I wanted to. But I do think it's
a very worthwhile read in the sense that it records
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a period of history in the late nineteen sixties that
I think was, you know, a very particular time in
our country. And it you know, as we all in
one form or another. No, the late nineteen sixties was
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a very tumultuous kind of up rooting time in our country.
There was a lot going on, a lot of demonstrations
in college, that kind of thing. So the story is
really important. It represents a certain historical period that today
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still has ramifications for what is going on.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Growing up in DC, especially now. You grew up in
those kind of activist times in the seventies. Yes, that
must have been something. Because my daughter just graduated in
American University in DC, and people don't realize it really
is a small town, you know what I mean? You
get yes, yeah, right, you're in contact with all the
people in power there. If you want to get an idea,
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a little bit of an idea about Peter Janney checked
out to Mary's mosaic dot net about Peter Jenny, a
real dapper addresser, you know, you know, very stylish fellow
there to go there and check out these pictures of
mister Jack. Stylish guy, the way the way you dressed man,
very nice. I liked that. So you grew up in
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DC around this time, and your family actually knew Mary
pinschrom Meyer, and your dad was Cia.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And and Mary's husband, Cordmyre, was also CIA. So you know,
my father and Cordmyer went to work at CIA every day.
My mother and Mary Meyer, you know, we're part of
a kind of larger social uh, kind of ruling class
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network in Washington. Uh. And you know, these families stuck together.
I mean we had a swimming pool where no one
else did. And you know there were always pool parties
in late spring, in the summer, and you know, the
Meyer kids, Anglton's family, any number of other prominent people
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would be there that kind of thing. So yeah, it
was a Rockham Sockham kind of crowd. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And as springtime in DC is beautiful too as well,
Cherry Boston season, all that stuff. Man. Now, so why
don't you give us what the Let's start like this.
So many of my guests first tell us the official story,
what's the official story of Mary Pischam Meyer in her
relationship with John f K and her death, and then
tells what really happened.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, the official story is it is now acknowledged. I mean,
there isn't any denial of the fact that JFK and
Mary Meyer were very much in love with one another. Okay,
and of course This was while he was married to Jackie.
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As you know, history would have it, there's a whole
kind of legacy out there of JFK's sexual escapades, all
of which to a very large degree realistic. I mean,
JFK had a lot of problems emotionally, and you know,
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he was promiscuous sexually for a large part of his life.
It's just part of who he was. But there was
something very very special about his connection with this woman,
Mary Meyer. You know, they first met at a prep
school dance before he was in college and before she
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was in college. She was fifteen years old, he was
like seventeen or eighteen. He had gone to this very
posh prep school called chot which is located in Wallingford, Connecticut,
And so you know, that's where they first met, and
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she made such an impression upon him that he never
he never got her. She was not that much taken
with him. She just looked at him as sort of
a playboy type. But as they got older, they developed
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something quite unique, and most historians of that period now
acknowledge Mary Meyer as a very important person in JFK's life.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Was she the one too that there was some LSD
involved in a story.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, she was a big proponent of you know, psychedelic inquiry,
psychedelic experience, and because of her interest in being an artist,
which she was, she hung out with people who were
really on the cutting edge of self exploration. When LSD
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became kind of a phenomenon that it was in the
late sixties, of course she wanted to explore it, and
she did.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And is she the one who introduced it to JFK?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yes, they did. It is pretty much documented that in
the spring of nineteen sixty three they took a mild
dose of the psychedelics psilocybin together. And Mary had had,
you know, quite a bit of experience with psychedelics because
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you know, her son, who was my best friend, he
was killed and hit. He was hit by a car
and killed in the late nineteen fifties, and it was
a really devastating event. It certainly was for me, but
I mean, of course just for the family as well.
But she talks about how her use of psychedelics really
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allowed her to deal with a level of grief that
nothing else would even touch. And so I think she
was instrumental in explaining this reality to JFK. And he
was very, very intrigued by it.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And now today there talking about the microdosis of the
psychedelics of being used for depression and things like that.
So it is kind of an accepted theory at least.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yes, yes, it is, just we don't want to lose
sight of this. You know, psychedelics are a big revolutionary
turning point in the field of mental health these days.
You know, it's been extremely helpful for certain kinds of depression.
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It has been particularly judicious for soldiers coming back from
combat who are having a lot of difficulty integrating what
they had to experience experience during combat and war. So
there is this field now in clinical psychology and psychiatry
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of the use of psychedelics to promote promote deeper levels
of mental health.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That's right, because I forgot that you're a psychiatrist too
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Right, clinical psychologists.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Psychologists, Well, for a layman like me, it's the same thing.
We don't know, right, But and you know, it's just
fascinating more and more. I'll have a guest on and
just I'll flippantly, you know, mention this and and and there.
They seem so enthusiastic about the benefits of this kind
of treatment. Do you feel the same way?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yes, O, great, oh absolutely, I still, you know, use psychedelics,
I would say once or twice a year, really, you know.
My my favorite at the moment is a substance called
md M a sure, which is a very very very
mild psychedelic. But it's also been kind of the substance
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that modern day psychiatry and psychology have, you know, really
examined quite closely in terms of its impact and its
helpfulness in any number of situations.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know, not to get too off topic of this book,
which is an excellent book, a great reviews, Mary's Mosaic,
the CIA Conspiracy to murder JFK and Mary pinchel Meyer
and their vision for world peace. But I'm sixty three
years old. I grew up in New York City and
I used to hang out with the yippies on the
Lower East Side back in the seventies, So I have
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some experience with psychedelics myself. But I had a bad
experience at a very young age, about nineteen years old,
and that was it. I swore off it, and I've
been afraid to go back and trying to travel down
that road again. What would you tell me about that?
Risk it a in or can you think.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, a lot of the problems is that you probably
had bad material. You know. It's only I would say,
in the last five years where they have really perfected
the use of how to create these substances so they
don't have any toxicity in them, And it's really the
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crap in them that I think it gives people a
lot of bad trips. Gotcha?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Gotcha? Okay, Well, let's I got two horror topic to
talk about that JFK and Mary Pinschemmeyer. And it's fascinating
that you actually grew up with these people and your
parents knew that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Was your family aware of the affair before her death?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Oh? Yes, absolutely yes.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Was her husband aware of this affair.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yes, and he was very upset about it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Was it accepted or was it interesting? Okay? So you
left off that they had had a teenage fascination with
each other, and then how did they reunite?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, they actually lived very closely together out of McLean, Virginia,
just across the Potomac River, and initially it was JFK
and Jackie who lived at Hickory Hill, the estate next
to the Meyer House, which Ethel Kennedy and her family
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soon occupied. But before Ethel moved in there with her
huge family, JFK and Jackie lived there. They left first
to move into respective places in Georgetown, and eventually, when
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Mary divorced her husband, she moved into Georgetown and they
only lived, you know, a few blocks away.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So they rekindled their relationship at that point.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yes, and that's where it really became a lot more substantial,
because you know, JFK, with his interpersonal issues, had a
lot of problems with trust, but he trusted her. She
was one of the people in his life that he
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really trusted the most, and she continued to prove to
him that she was a substantial human being who was
capable of understanding him in a way that most people didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Fascinating and you said that they had a vision for
world peace. What was this?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, you know, during things like the Cuban missile crisis
and the Bay of Pigs, you know, the problems with
Russia and particularly with Cuba, it was really Mary who
kept helping JFK realize, Look, you've got to see the
opportunity here. There is a real opportunity here to move
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beyond this in a way that you can become a
highly influential and important president of our country, and I
think you know she with the kind of support he
got from her, he was able to take a number
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of risks on the world stage that he likely wouldn't
have been able to take had she not been in
his life.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, that's fascinating because I've lived my life by that.
No matter what problem you're in, no matter how bad
your situation is, that there's a resolution to every problem.
But there's also a path. There's a resolution that will
bring you to a point that you're even better off
than before that problem started. It exists, just gotta find
it and stay on path.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yes, I agree, totally.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Welcome to my ted Tarry, but thank you for coming.
Said so then what what? I don't even know what
to get to next? One My question would be what
was your family's reaction when you heard of the death?
Or another question might be what do you think the
motivation for her death was?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, the motivation for her death was she realized very
quickly why he had been assassinated and who who? Who
did the deed? I mean JFK was a sitting present
who was assassinated by our own government, particularly the intelligence people.
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And the reason is because he was standing up on
his own two feet and he was not going to
take orders from anyone, and she would.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
She was so intimately involved with I guess you're pointing
the finger at Cia correctly, and that she was so
intimately involved with Cordmyer, and I think Angleton was her
brother in law.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Angleton was a dear friend, close friend of Cord Meyer's.
They were not they were not related, but they were
the same age, uh, and they were, you know, known
figures with one another. Angleton was also the godfather of
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all three of the Meyer children, right.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Okay, that's what I was thinking. Okay, great, Okay, So
then what was the circumstances? So she had an intimate
knowledge of the murder of JFK through her husband, you think,
and through Angleton she got this information.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
No, what happened was of course, she was totally devastated
and shocked by the fact that he was assassinated, but
instead of bemoaning the fact, she went to work and
she started using all her contacts in Washington to help
her understand what actually had taken place in Dallas, who
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was behind it, who pulled the trigger? She kept a
diary of all of these things, and she worked assiduously
from the time he was assassinated in November of sixty
three until she was murdered ten months later in October
of nineteen sixty four. She was going to go public
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with what she knew. And mind you, this was not
just some blonde bimbo who had a story to tell.
This was an extremely intelligent, well educated woman who knew
all about the nefarious nature of the CIA and what
the CIA was up to, and she was ready to
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spill it.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Let's return back to Peter Janny for a second. Now,
what was your age at the time of JFK's assassination.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I was seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Old, Okay, well enough, aware enough, Okay at seventeen, right,
and your dad's CIA and you know, like you just said,
your friends with Mary pinchel Meyer. So what was the
whole world of scene, This chaotic situation in Dallas and
Ruby and oswald On is not crazy istess what was
the scuttle butts amongst your crowd in DC at the time.
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What were people there saying?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, different factions had different things they wanted to believe.
You know, I don't think you know, it was really known,
very thoroughly when the assassination took place in November of
sixty three, that you know, everyone all of us of
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a sudden said, oh, yeah, the CIA did it, you know,
I mean, this really took that. The public was so
shocked by the event, and there were a few courageous
researchers out there already, people like, for instance, Mark Lane,
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who wrote a couple of books about it. And you know,
Mark Lane hit the nail on the head. He understood
some of the more important dynamics of what had taken
place and why, and was putting together the pieces of
the puzzle as to why would our own government want
to kill a sitting president. Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Peter Janney, I also respect Mark Lane very much, you know,
but what do you make of his whole connection there
at the People's Temple down there in Guyana. That's that's pretty.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You have to refresh my well.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
He was the attorney, he was, he was down there
People's Temple Jonestown, Guyana when when all those deaths took place.
He was there present at the time. He was Jim Jones,
attorney for ten thouns in a month.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, okay, I mean I believe you It's just that
that that isn't a story that I have spent a
whole lot of time, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Because because I have the same respect for you from
Mark Lane as far as investigations of jeff ka assassination.
But just when I get into that other story about
Jim Jones, I just got to say, Hey, what's.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Going on here?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
You know, I understand, understand, And that's what this whole
thing man, from beginning to end, it's just one a
nick after another, old this old JFK world and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So why don't we get into what was the circumstances
around Mary pinshaw is Meyer's murder.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, as I mentioned a little while ago, ever since
November of sixty three, she had started to really work
very hard on her own research, and she kept a
diary that she wrote in almost every day in terms
of everything that she was discovering. And you know, it
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was a way for her to continually refine her point
of view in terms of making sense of all these
little tidbits of facts that she was putting together. And
I think at some point it just became so apparent
to her as to the nefarious nature of what had
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taken place that She didn't want to see the people,
the citizens of our country continually duped by the story
that the Warren Commission wanted to put out that there
was this loan nut name Lee Harvey Oswald who just
managed to get off a couple of good shots from
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a building in downtown Dallas. There was so much more
to the story than just that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
What resources was she using to research this information? Contacts
people she knew, and what was she what was the
method of her investigation?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The real method of her investigation is that she knew
all the players in Washington and they respected her. This
was not a blomb binbo who was trying to just
peddle a story. This was a very well educated woman
who came from a very respectable background and family, and
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she knew what she was talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Was she sharing information with your mother?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
No, because my mother was too wedded to my father,
who was you know, Cia Blue and Blue, and my
mother would did not have the courage in her character
to really realize the depth of evil in terms of
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some of the things that our government was involved in.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Then again back to Peter, Jenny, when you started working
on this field of investigation and writing this book, you've
been working on this book for a long time, and
first version came out in twenty twelve. We went up
to the third version. Now you haven't stopped, that's right,
You haven't rested, that's right. Plus you got the Mary's Mosaic.
What were your mom and dad? Were they alive and
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witnessed you off an instruction to expose all us?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yes? And I had a very uh, you know, in
the late nineteen sixties, as I was coming out of
high school and going to college, I had a very tumultuous,
conflicted relationship with both my parents because I was not
buying in to all the crap that our government wanted
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us to believe, not only about you know, the Kennedy assassination,
but any other number of things. And you know, I
had a very strong independent streak in my being, which
I honored totally. And you know, I spent a lot
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of time in college and post college, you know, just
reading and really educating myself as to what was really
going on, because I was not going to allow myself
to be brainwashed.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Did you ever have an opportunity to Did they ever
review your research and your work? Did they have that
opportunity to give you their opinion of what your conclusions are.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Well, you know, my die. My father died before he
was sixty years old in nineteen seventy nine, so you know,
I mean, he hated the fact that I was going
to Vietnam any war demonstrations and getting arrested and things
like that. My mother did get to see my book
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and read parts of it before she died. God when
did she die? I guess twenty twelve. So you know
the answer is yes and no.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yes, that they did review it, but no, they did
not approved.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, my father didn't get to review it, but my
mother did. But she still she was very taken aback
that I had written this book. She didn't know what
to make of it. Uh. But you know she knew
where I was headed because I was talking about it. Uh.
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And you know, so she had to confront at a
certain point that her oldest son was a raving, rebellious
lunatic of one decree or another.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, you know where we really man, because you know,
they came from a different world. And I have red,
white and blue apple pie. You know, you know what
I mean. We can't expect.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You're out there, you know, burning the flag.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Man. Oh, my son that the same, you know, seventy six,
I'd started hanging out with the York you know, I'm
at aj Weberman in nineteen seventy six. That was fourteen
years old. Yeah, yeah, it's out America. Oh my goodness.
So why don't you give us an idea what the
official story is that because we're almost halfway through the show.
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The official story of the circumstances around her murder and
what you really think happened.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, I was away at boarding school when her murder
took place, and I think in you know, October of
sixty four. I would have been seventeen at that time,
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but the story was kept from me. In other words,
I was up in New Hampshire. The murder took place
in Washington, d C. I didn't really get told about
the story until the evening of Thanksgiving when I returned
home Thanksgiving vacation, and that's when I learned that she
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had been murdered. And of course, one of the things
that took place right after the murder is they had
to find a patsy, and the government and the CIA
were you know, interested in coming up immediately, and they
tried to pin it on this black guy who happened
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to be walking around in the general area with his
girlfriend having a tryst. And you know that, I mean
this guy Ray Crump was arrested and went to trial
a year later, but he was never convicted because he
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had this incredible attorney. Her name was Dobbie Rountree, and
she features prominently in this story, and there's been a
book written about her. There's a film already in Hollywood
that's being written about her and her life. So this
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was you know, it took a while to unravel all
the crap and all the bad. I'm trying not to
use curse as you warned me to, I would have
been using other words in the You understand my point
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of view here, and so I think, you know, after
thirty or forty years, I was one of the main
people who pulled together all the factual information, all the
clues into the book that I wrote, because you know,
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I spent about, you know, eight to twelve years of
research before I actually wrote the book.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, and the book we're talking about is Mary's Mosaic,
The CIA Conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pincher
Meyer and their Vision for World Peace. The third edition
four and a half stars on Amazon, seventeen hundred of views.
This book is no joke. Mary's Mosaic dot net You
can find information there as well. I want to go
back up a little bit, okay, to the tone of
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the mood of that Thanksgiving reunion with your family, are
back from college and not only some mar old bedroom,
you know all this kind of stuff, right, And what
was the tone of them telling you this story that
there had to be some you know, some guilt in
their voice telling you this story. His son, our friend
is dead.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
And well, you have to remember that that evening at
Thanksgiving dinner, my mother didn't want to go anywhere near
what actually happened. She had bought into hook line and sinker,
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the sinker that Mary had been murdered by this black guy,
that it was likely a sexual assault in one way
or another. And the I mean, I remember the dinner
so vividly because I spent many, many years in psychotherapy,
and I kept going back and really just teasing out
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so many different little tidbits and dimensions of what took
place at that dinner. My father didn't say a damn word.
He just stared vacantly off into silence, and of course,
it's my contention that he knew, he knew what had happened,
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but he's sure as hell wasn't going to tell my mother.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, and just imagine too, your dance thinking, hey, they
killed my friend's wife, they could my wife, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I could just imagine, Yeah, I could just imagine that
night that was must have been like, So, what do
you think really happened that evening?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, you know, I didn't know. But what I did
know was that I was very shook up when I
heard this story at dinner, and in retrospect, having gone
over this many many times for a number of years,
I knew it was all crap that I was that
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wasn't the truth of what happened. And I had to
excuse myself from the dinner and go to my room
and just lay down and breathe and kind of take
in what was going on. And I was in shock.
There's no other way to say it. And you know,
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from then on I had to learn how to live
with this for a number of years. That the way
it got really serious for me is that in college
I had started using psychedelics and on one of my
early trips. Mary showed up in my consciousness and started
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talking to me, and we started having conversations, and she
was trying to you know, awaken me and bring me
up to speed. And those were very, very important moments.
I mean, this was going on, you know, in sixty
eight and sixty nine, at the height of the psychedelic era,
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at the height of the you know, anti war, anti
Vietnam War movement, peace movement that was going on. I mean,
the joint was jump in. There's no other way to
say it, you.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Know, I tell you so much of your story room.
I've interviewed Saint John Hunt, the son of Howard Hunt. Yes,
I know Saint John, Yeah, vid him so many times,
and he tells a story about how William F. Buckley
came and took away him and his brothers, you know,
and his brothers and sisters spirited them, and his poor
mother got killed on a plane crash. Was suspicious as hell, right,
(35:27):
can you even call it suspicious? You know, it's as
obvious as hell, you know, But just so much of
your story reminds me of his kid growing up right
in the middle of thewist you.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Know, yes, yes, and you know it shook up a
lot of prominence. It shook up the children of a
lot of prominent Washington families, you know, families who who
the father had very prominent roles in government. I mean,
(35:58):
like you know, Craig mac McNamara, his father was, you know,
head of the Pentagon, Secretary of Defense during that time.
So you know, from time to time we commiserated together
in little pieces here and there. But I don't think
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any of us really understood the sheer magnitude of what
was taking place in Washington at that time.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Just to clarify, did you know Saint John at the
time or you got to know him more recently.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I didn't know him at the time, Okay, it was
more recently that I that, you know, he and I
I got to know one another.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I can only imagine what those conversations alan because you
must have so much in common. You know, I've become
friends with Monkey Morales to the time, Ricardo Morales, Monkey Morrows,
that whole second generation, you know what I.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Mean, Yes, yeah, yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I mean, you know, I mean, it was a real
education in and of itself to grow up in Washington,
d C. In that era because of what was taking place.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What were these circumstances of James Angleton rushing over to
her place to steal this diary? What's going on? And
how did we find out about that?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
How did we I can't remember? How did we find
out about that? We found out about that from one
of Mary Meyer's closest friends, her name was Anne Truett,
and Bradley and Angleton happened to be at Bradley's house,
Ben Bradley's house the night of the murder, and it
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was Bradley and Angleton who went to Mary's studio because
the studio belonged to Bradley and he had a key
to it. And that's where Angleton found the diary, which
he absconded with immediately because of what was in it.
(38:09):
And we know some of the things not all of them,
but some of the things that was in the diary
from various people who knew Mary, knew what she was
doing or what she was working on, that kind of thing.
And I don't think, you know, I really think that
her closest friends realized that there had been a just profound,
(38:39):
dastly deed that took place with Mary Meyer's death, that
it was not a random act of violence, that it
was an intentional hit to get rid of someone who
posed a very serious threat to what our government was
(39:00):
trying to conceal, you know, mainly what came out in
the Warrant Commission, which you know, no one would have
a brain today really believes.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah. So, now Ben Bradley, who was the editor of
the Washington Post at the.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Time, he wasn't the managing editor at that moment, but
he was moving in that direction.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
And he's the hero of Watergates exposing Watergate. Did he
immediately run to the editor and say, we've got a
story here about his diary? It was just stolen right
before my eyes.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
And well, he didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Know, he didn't know. I think, you know, by the time,
I knew Ben quite well, and he was very close
with both my parents, and I knew, you know, a
couple of his children. Well, but you know, I really
take Brasley to task in my book. And you know,
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a lot of people have told me that no one
that they knew has ever understood the dynamics of what
Bradley was up to until they read my book. And
I'm very proud of that dimension of the story. In
other words, really being able to pretty much zero in
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at more than ninety five percent accuracy. The chicanery that
Bradley was involved with.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Well, describe it, tell us about it.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Well, you know, Bradley Bradley wanted to keep his stature
within the Washington com community. He had not yet ascended
to the throne of being the executive editor of the
Washington Post, which he wanted to be, so he wasn't
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going to do anything drastic to upset, you know, his
chances of really being able to assume the level of
power that he wanted to have. And of course that
meant he wasn't going to tell the truth of what
he knew. And you know, I interviewed Ben Bradley twice.
(41:19):
My first interview, you know, I caught him at a
good time. He was still very, very coherent. The second interview,
clearly dementia had taken over a large part of his
reality and he wasn't helpful at all. But you know
I got him to in the first interview really, you know,
(41:41):
I mean it allowed me to expose him for the
fraud that he was. You know, when it, for instance,
came to his sister in law's death.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Oh, explain that. But you mean Benchromyer.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, he was married to Mary's sister for a while.
And uh so you know everyone, I mean, Bradley like
my family. I mean, we all knew the same people.
We traveled in the same social strata within Washington, and
so that was a bond in and of itself.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Well then what about this is kind of a curveball.
But then, okay, Ben Bradley, you know Washington Post later
on comes Watergate. There is some no matter, the most
objective perspective, if you could come onto this, is that
there's some overlap of the Watergate burglars in that crowd
and the jeffk Assassin's uh minimum at least correct.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yes, okay, yes, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Okay, but I think it's leave it a little bit more.
But they'd you go to from my But the thing is,
then what's Ben Bradley's excuse?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Then well you'd have to ask him, but he's not alive.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
What do you think what could look what happened there?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Well, well, you know, I mean in terms of water
in terms of Watergate, you know, he had to grab
that story. He couldn't run away from it because it
was it was so apparent, and he understood that if
he really exploited the story in the way that he
wanted to, it would just make him look like the
(43:28):
shining night in armor that he wasn't but wanted people,
but wanted everyone to believe that he was. So I mean,
I I understood a lot of Ben's dynamics. I think, uh,
you know, when I sent him a copy of the
first edition of my book, I never heard from him.
(43:49):
I didn't expect to, because there were things in the
first edition that really pulled his pants down and exposed
him to agree to a read that no one else
ever had.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah, and what do you make of the Woodward and Bernstein.
There's a lot of people with complaints about the Woodward.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Well, you know, I mean, I think they provided a
very important service. That doesn't mean that they're pristine clean,
but you know, in terms of what they reported and
the material that they wrote about Watergate, they got it.
They got it right.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I think, Yeah, I like that attitude. I have that
way too, of overlooking people's flaws and their weaknesses in
certain ways and respecting the accomplishments they did. I can
we all have faults, right, Yeah? So okay, So now
what do you make now, well, have you been following
the release of the Luna what's a Anna Paulina Luna
(44:56):
and her release here? Have you been following any of
the new revelations coming out.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
With regard to Trump, No, not.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Toronto Anapoline Luna. About the new JFK documents that have.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Been released, Oh, the ones that have just very recently
been released, you mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Anything cannot corresponds with what you've been working on your
practical whole life.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
No, I think it's it's total crap. Yeah, I mean,
first of all, let's be clear about something. Our government
isn't going to come out and say, oh, yeah, we
had to get rid of JFK because you know, he
wasn't paying any intention to us, or you know, we
wanted someone better, you know, in that role. I mean,
(45:45):
let's be realistic here. Our government is never going to
admit that they assassinated a sitting president under any circumstances.
But the point is is that given some of the
best JFK researchers who have you know, like myself to
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one degree or another, really spent a huge part of
their life in getting to the bottom of this, and
that's where the real pearls of wisdom are and there
have been some great books written about the assassination. Mine
is just one indirectly, but you know, still it carries
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a lot of weight because of the material that I
was able to garner and put into the book. But
I'm friends with you know, several of the people who
I think are the most respected researchers about JFK and
his assassination, and you know, it's pretty clear what happened.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Who would you count as the most respected in your
opinion and that have your respect.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Douglas Horn Okay, yep. He was chief of Chief Analysts
for Military records on the assassination's Record Review Board. He's
written a couple of books of his own. I think
he really has been able to put together so many
(47:25):
disparate facts, you know, about the JFKA assassination, but all
of the lying and duplicity that went in to what
actually happened. And he's a very good friend of mine.
I mean, I've known Doug now for a number of years.
(47:45):
I've worked with him a couple of things. I would
for me, I would say he is right at the top.
There are a few others, Jim James, D. Eugenio, I
don't like him much as a per so, but I've
had I like him. Yeah, yeah, I mean I I
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do respect a lot of the work that he's done,
not all of it, but definitely a lot of it. Uh.
And you know he's he's a big friend of Oliver Stones,
as am I, uh in terms of helping Oliver for instance,
you know, really get the story right. So you know,
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I mean there is some there are a bunch of
really high caliber UH researchers out there who really will
not let go of the truth. They aspire to knowing
as much dimensionality of the truth around this event in
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history as anyone in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
As the research of the Jeff researcher community as it
goes on in years and years, do you find more confusion,
more misinformation or you think that people are narrowing down
and getting closer to the truth the ladder? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Okay, now today, I mean, look, when you boil this down,
okay to the essential facts, the intelligence community of our
government murdered JFK. That's all. I mean that that is
the most shivering revelation here. Our own government assassinated a
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sitting president. And that's inescapable from my point of view now,
given what we know and given the level of research
that has been put together around this.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, and it also seems too that the same fairly
small crew of guys I ran Contra, you know, Arkansas,
it seemed to be all those assassinations all throughout that
whole period. It seems to be that same crew of
guys over and over with those dirty hands doing the work.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah, yes, I would agree. I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, and coming out a national security agency in my opinion.
While we're moving on, so today as we record this,
good old James Diugenio and Oliver Stone and Jefferson Morley
are attending a hearing for Andrew Paulina Luna in regards
to this. Are you going to be watching that today?
Because I hear you're busy your phones ringing off the
(50:37):
hook over there. You're going to be watching that today?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
No, okay, I'll read about it. Yeah, but you know, listen,
I've got two films in the works, one documentary, one
Hollywood bio series on this story of my book. I am.
I am just swamped with work, uh, and I have to,
(51:02):
you know, also take time to rest and sleep and
you know, you know, take care of myself, and I mean,
this stuff can eat you alive very quickly.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
And and wait there also too, there are repercussions for
this kind of work. Have you suffered any kind of
pushback and you're putting pushing up against people you know
that are related to you.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Well, there was a period of time in my life
where I went to bed at night just shivering with
feared and you know, several people not several, but I
would say two or three who were helping me and
really knew some of what was going on in Washington
(51:51):
told me in know on certain terms. You know, Peter,
You've got to realize you're being watched, uh and that
you are a danger uh to the overwhelming authority of
what our government is about. And you know, we're going
to continue to tell you this because we want you
to know and be able to you know, plan accordingly
(52:14):
in any given moment. But you know you are being watched.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
And all the planning in the world if they can
make planes drop out of the sky, you know what
I mean when we payoff, So in the middle of
a payoff, a lot of people seek to know about
and then the FAA director gets replaced. Well, picking up
the debreed right in front of our faces. Man, right
(52:43):
like we're fools.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
You know, yes, I know, I know. It's a very
dangerous time. And you know, I mean, from my point
of view, Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler
in terms of his level of evilness, and you know
what he would like to do.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I could not agree with you more. I think, I
think that right now you would seem to be several
years older than me, but I think, right now this
is the most dangerous time I've lived in my lifetime
and my own personal concerns. We've only got a couple
of minutes left.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
You say you got a bunch of films and things
coming out, Can you have us any kind of preview
on that? What to look forward to?
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Well, the documentary is going to be made first. The
person who's making the documentary is a man by the
name of Langdon Page. He's already won some very serious
coveted awards in Hollywood for his documentary on Alexei Navalni,
the Russian dissident, and I am I am just delighted
(53:49):
that my producer, who knows him, was able to stag
him for this position, because it's telling me that you know,
there's going to be a serious documentary made about this
story and about how I put it together in my book.
(54:10):
In terms of the Hollywood Bio series, you know Apple,
it'll be on the Apple platform. Leo DiCaprio's dad, George DiCaprio,
is really pushing hard for this. He really believes in
this story and he actually will twist Leo's arm to
play JFK. When the time comes. As to whether Leo
(54:34):
will eventually do that, it's anybody's guests. But you know,
the point is to understand that there is some real,
a list Hollywood muscle behind these films, and that's what
is most important to me.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, it's so important that you really watch your step
and all this stuff because we've we've seen the smearing
of Bill Hamilton from The Octopus Star and Marie Terry.
We've talked about that on this show. It seems like like,
especially like Netflix and a lot of these streaming companies
are out there to to put out their own version
of reality, to rewrite history, and it seems like they're
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putting a lot of great effort into that. So you
got to really really be on your guard with these
characters out there only got a couple of minutes left.
We're talking to Peter Jenny. Uh, Mary's Mosaic dot Net
check that out. And the book we're talking about is
Mary's Mosaic, The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy,
(55:31):
Mary Pinch Pinchel Meyer and The Vision for World Peaces
the third Edition. Sorry, yes, and keeping after these movies. Uh,
mister Peter Janney, we got about one minute left, two minutes.
What do you want to leave us with?
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Well, I you know, I'm I'm just delighted that you
and I have conducted this interview because I think this really,
you know, this is a bigger story than me or
the book. You know, this is there's a kind of
pictorial representation of a period of American history that all
American citizens should be acquainted with because it's important to
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know what your government is really up to, not what
they want to sell you, but what they are really doing.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
And Peter Jennet, I have the same sentiments. I've really
enjoyed meeting. I've loved the sense of you. Anything you
ever want to come and promote on this show, you
have an open imitation.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Thank you, sir, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yes, sir, good night, good night,
It's the Opperman Report and now here is investigator.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, private
investigator Ed Opperman. Now you can get a hold of
me at Opperman Investigations and Digital Forensic Consulting. Just reached
out to me through my email Opperman Investigations at gmail
dot com. Today we have Peter Jenny. Now you can
find him at Mary's Mosaic dot net. And the book
(00:30):
we're talking about today is called Mary's Mosaic, The CIA
Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary pinschow Meyer and
the Vision for World Pieces. The third edition of the
book just came out by Peter Jenny. This is a
fascinating story about how this woman was murdered and they
(00:51):
came up with this crazy story about how this guy
just happened to me walking out of prison, you know,
out of jail. It's on a spurt them what was
this murdered people? But there's a lot more and that
good old James Angleton comes up in this story. There's
a lot to this story. So, mister Peter Janney, are
you there?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I am indeed, good morning or good afternoon, depending on
where you are.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, it's afternoon twelve twelve o sevens. I'd say, that's
afternoon before we get into your book, care Mary's Mosaic,
The CIA Conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy and Mary
pinchel Meyer, I'll tell us about yourself. Who is Peter
and Janny.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, you know, I grew up in Washington, d C.
My dad was a very prominent official in the Central
Intelligence Agency. I knew the woman Mary pinchel Meyer very
well because she was my best friend's mother while I
was growing up. And actually my mother and Mary Meyer
(01:50):
went to college together where they were in the same
class together, and so socially, our family families were very
very close, and as with a number of other Washington
families who were, you know, kind of in the intelligence world.
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So I have a lot of experience with what I
wrote about. Of course, it still took me many, many
years to put the book together in the way that
you know, I wanted to. But I do think it's
a very worthwhile read in the sense that it records
(02:35):
a period of history in the late nineteen sixties that
I think was, you know, a very particular time in
our country. And it you know, as we all in
one form or another. No, the late nineteen sixties was
(02:56):
a very tumultuous kind of up rooting time in our country.
There was a lot going on, a lot of demonstrations
in college, that kind of thing. So the story is
really important. It represents a certain historical period that today
(03:21):
still has ramifications for what is going on.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Growing up in DC, especially now. You grew up in
those kind of activist times in the seventies. Yes, that
must have been something. Because my daughter just graduated in
American University in DC, and people don't realize it really
is a small town, you know what I mean? You
get yes, yeah, right, you're in contact with all the
people in power there. If you want to get an idea,
(03:47):
a little bit of an idea about Peter Janney checked
out to Mary's mosaic dot net about Peter Jenny, a
real dapper addresser, you know, you know, very stylish fellow
there to go there and check out these pictures of
mister Jack. Stylish guy, the way the way you dressed man,
very nice. I liked that. So you grew up in
(04:08):
DC around this time, and your family actually knew Mary
pinschrom Meyer, and your dad was Cia.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And and Mary's husband, Cordmyre, was also CIA. So you know,
my father and Cordmyer went to work at CIA every day.
My mother and Mary Meyer, you know, we're part of
a kind of larger social uh, kind of ruling class
(04:36):
network in Washington. Uh. And you know, these families stuck together.
I mean we had a swimming pool where no one
else did. And you know there were always pool parties
in late spring, in the summer, and you know, the
Meyer kids, Anglton's family, any number of other prominent people
(05:00):
would be there that kind of thing. So yeah, it
was a Rockham Sockham kind of crowd. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And as springtime in DC is beautiful too as well,
Cherry Boston season, all that stuff. Man. Now, so why
don't you give us what the Let's start like this.
So many of my guests first tell us the official story,
what's the official story of Mary Pischam Meyer in her
relationship with John f K and her death, and then
tells what really happened.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, the official story is it is now acknowledged. I mean,
there isn't any denial of the fact that JFK and
Mary Meyer were very much in love with one another. Okay,
and of course This was while he was married to Jackie.
(05:48):
As you know, history would have it, there's a whole
kind of legacy out there of JFK's sexual escapades, all
of which to a very large degree realistic. I mean,
JFK had a lot of problems emotionally, and you know,
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he was promiscuous sexually for a large part of his life.
It's just part of who he was. But there was
something very very special about his connection with this woman,
Mary Meyer. You know, they first met at a prep
school dance before he was in college and before she
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was in college. She was fifteen years old, he was
like seventeen or eighteen. He had gone to this very
posh prep school called chot which is located in Wallingford, Connecticut,
And so you know, that's where they first met, and
(06:54):
she made such an impression upon him that he never
he never got her. She was not that much taken
with him. She just looked at him as sort of
a playboy type. But as they got older, they developed
(07:14):
something quite unique, and most historians of that period now
acknowledge Mary Meyer as a very important person in JFK's life.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Was she the one too that there was some LSD
involved in a story.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, she was a big proponent of you know, psychedelic inquiry,
psychedelic experience, and because of her interest in being an artist,
which she was, she hung out with people who were
really on the cutting edge of self exploration. When LSD
(08:01):
became kind of a phenomenon that it was in the
late sixties, of course she wanted to explore it, and
she did.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And is she the one who introduced it to JFK?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yes, they did. It is pretty much documented that in
the spring of nineteen sixty three they took a mild
dose of the psychedelics psilocybin together. And Mary had had,
you know, quite a bit of experience with psychedelics because
(08:39):
you know, her son, who was my best friend, he
was killed and hit. He was hit by a car
and killed in the late nineteen fifties, and it was
a really devastating event. It certainly was for me, but
I mean, of course just for the family as well.
But she talks about how her use of psychedelics really
(09:01):
allowed her to deal with a level of grief that
nothing else would even touch. And so I think she
was instrumental in explaining this reality to JFK. And he
was very, very intrigued by it.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And now today there talking about the microdosis of the
psychedelics of being used for depression and things like that.
So it is kind of an accepted theory at least.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yes, yes, it is, just we don't want to lose
sight of this. You know, psychedelics are a big revolutionary
turning point in the field of mental health these days.
You know, it's been extremely helpful for certain kinds of depression.
(09:51):
It has been particularly judicious for soldiers coming back from
combat who are having a lot of difficulty integrating what
they had to experience experience during combat and war. So
there is this field now in clinical psychology and psychiatry
(10:12):
of the use of psychedelics to promote promote deeper levels
of mental health.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That's right, because I forgot that you're a psychiatrist too
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Right, clinical psychologists.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Psychologists, Well, for a layman like me, it's the same thing.
We don't know, right, But and you know, it's just
fascinating more and more. I'll have a guest on and
just I'll flippantly, you know, mention this and and and there.
They seem so enthusiastic about the benefits of this kind
of treatment. Do you feel the same way?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yes, O, great, oh absolutely, I still, you know, use psychedelics,
I would say once or twice a year, really, you know.
My my favorite at the moment is a substance called
md M a sure, which is a very very very
mild psychedelic. But it's also been kind of the substance
(11:07):
that modern day psychiatry and psychology have, you know, really
examined quite closely in terms of its impact and its
helpfulness in any number of situations.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know, not to get too off topic of this book,
which is an excellent book, a great reviews, Mary's Mosaic,
the CIA Conspiracy to murder JFK and Mary pinchel Meyer
and their vision for world peace. But I'm sixty three
years old. I grew up in New York City and
I used to hang out with the yippies on the
Lower East Side back in the seventies, So I have
(11:42):
some experience with psychedelics myself. But I had a bad
experience at a very young age, about nineteen years old,
and that was it. I swore off it, and I've
been afraid to go back and trying to travel down
that road again. What would you tell me about that?
Risk it a in or can you think.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, a lot of the problems is that you probably
had bad material. You know. It's only I would say,
in the last five years where they have really perfected
the use of how to create these substances so they
don't have any toxicity in them, And it's really the
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crap in them that I think it gives people a
lot of bad trips. Gotcha?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Gotcha? Okay, Well, let's I got two horror topic to
talk about that JFK and Mary Pinschemmeyer. And it's fascinating
that you actually grew up with these people and your
parents knew that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Was your family aware of the affair before her death?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Oh? Yes, absolutely yes.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Was her husband aware of this affair.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yes, and he was very upset about it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Was it accepted or was it interesting? Okay? So you
left off that they had had a teenage fascination with
each other, and then how did they reunite?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, they actually lived very closely together out of McLean, Virginia,
just across the Potomac River, and initially it was JFK
and Jackie who lived at Hickory Hill, the estate next
to the Meyer House, which Ethel Kennedy and her family
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soon occupied. But before Ethel moved in there with her
huge family, JFK and Jackie lived there. They left first
to move into respective places in Georgetown, and eventually, when
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Mary divorced her husband, she moved into Georgetown and they
only lived, you know, a few blocks away.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So they rekindled their relationship at that point.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yes, and that's where it really became a lot more substantial,
because you know, JFK, with his interpersonal issues, had a
lot of problems with trust, but he trusted her. She
was one of the people in his life that he
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really trusted the most, and she continued to prove to
him that she was a substantial human being who was
capable of understanding him in a way that most people didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Fascinating and you said that they had a vision for
world peace. What was this?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, you know, during things like the Cuban missile crisis
and the Bay of Pigs, you know, the problems with
Russia and particularly with Cuba, it was really Mary who
kept helping JFK realize, Look, you've got to see the
opportunity here. There is a real opportunity here to move
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beyond this in a way that you can become a
highly influential and important president of our country, and I
think you know she with the kind of support he
got from her, he was able to take a number
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of risks on the world stage that he likely wouldn't
have been able to take had she not been in
his life.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, that's fascinating because I've lived my life by that.
No matter what problem you're in, no matter how bad
your situation is, that there's a resolution to every problem.
But there's also a path. There's a resolution that will
bring you to a point that you're even better off
than before that problem started. It exists, just gotta find
it and stay on path.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yes, I agree, totally.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Welcome to my ted Tarry, but thank you for coming.
Said so then what what? I don't even know what
to get to next? One My question would be what
was your family's reaction when you heard of the death?
Or another question might be what do you think the
motivation for her death was?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, the motivation for her death was she realized very
quickly why he had been assassinated and who who? Who
did the deed? I mean JFK was a sitting present
who was assassinated by our own government, particularly the intelligence people.
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And the reason is because he was standing up on
his own two feet and he was not going to
take orders from anyone, and she would.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
She was so intimately involved with I guess you're pointing
the finger at Cia correctly, and that she was so
intimately involved with Cordmyer, and I think Angleton was her
brother in law.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Angleton was a dear friend, close friend of Cord Meyer's.
They were not they were not related, but they were
the same age, uh, and they were, you know, known
figures with one another. Angleton was also the godfather of
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all three of the Meyer children, right.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Okay, that's what I was thinking. Okay, great, Okay, So
then what was the circumstances? So she had an intimate
knowledge of the murder of JFK through her husband, you think,
and through Angleton she got this information.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
No, what happened was of course, she was totally devastated
and shocked by the fact that he was assassinated, but
instead of bemoaning the fact, she went to work and
she started using all her contacts in Washington to help
her understand what actually had taken place in Dallas, who
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was behind it, who pulled the trigger? She kept a
diary of all of these things, and she worked assiduously
from the time he was assassinated in November of sixty
three until she was murdered ten months later in October
of nineteen sixty four. She was going to go public
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with what she knew. And mind you, this was not
just some blonde bimbo who had a story to tell.
This was an extremely intelligent, well educated woman who knew
all about the nefarious nature of the CIA and what
the CIA was up to, and she was ready to
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spill it.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Let's return back to Peter Janny for a second. Now,
what was your age at the time of JFK's assassination.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I was seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Old, Okay, well enough, aware enough, Okay at seventeen, right,
and your dad's CIA and you know, like you just said,
your friends with Mary pinchel Meyer. So what was the
whole world of scene, This chaotic situation in Dallas and
Ruby and oswald On is not crazy istess what was
the scuttle butts amongst your crowd in DC at the time.
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What were people there saying?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, different factions had different things they wanted to believe.
You know, I don't think you know, it was really known,
very thoroughly when the assassination took place in November of
sixty three, that you know, everyone all of us of
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a sudden said, oh, yeah, the CIA did it, you know,
I mean, this really took that. The public was so
shocked by the event, and there were a few courageous
researchers out there already, people like, for instance, Mark Lane,
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who wrote a couple of books about it. And you know,
Mark Lane hit the nail on the head. He understood
some of the more important dynamics of what had taken
place and why, and was putting together the pieces of
the puzzle as to why would our own government want
to kill a sitting president. Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Peter Janney, I also respect Mark Lane very much, you know,
but what do you make of his whole connection there
at the People's Temple down there in Guyana. That's that's pretty.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You have to refresh my well.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
He was the attorney, he was, he was down there
People's Temple Jonestown, Guyana when when all those deaths took place.
He was there present at the time. He was Jim Jones,
attorney for ten thouns in a month.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, okay, I mean I believe you It's just that
that that isn't a story that I have spent a
whole lot of time, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Because because I have the same respect for you from
Mark Lane as far as investigations of jeff ka assassination.
But just when I get into that other story about
Jim Jones, I just got to say, Hey, what's.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Going on here?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
You know, I understand, understand, And that's what this whole
thing man, from beginning to end, it's just one a
nick after another, old this old JFK world and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So why don't we get into what was the circumstances
around Mary pinshaw is Meyer's murder.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, as I mentioned a little while ago, ever since
November of sixty three, she had started to really work
very hard on her own research, and she kept a
diary that she wrote in almost every day in terms
of everything that she was discovering. And you know, it
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was a way for her to continually refine her point
of view in terms of making sense of all these
little tidbits of facts that she was putting together. And
I think at some point it just became so apparent
to her as to the nefarious nature of what had
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taken place that She didn't want to see the people,
the citizens of our country continually duped by the story
that the Warren Commission wanted to put out that there
was this loan nut name Lee Harvey Oswald who just
managed to get off a couple of good shots from
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a building in downtown Dallas. There was so much more
to the story than just that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
What resources was she using to research this information? Contacts
people she knew, and what was she what was the
method of her investigation?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The real method of her investigation is that she knew
all the players in Washington and they respected her. This
was not a blomb binbo who was trying to just
peddle a story. This was a very well educated woman
who came from a very respectable background and family, and
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she knew what she was talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Was she sharing information with your mother?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
No, because my mother was too wedded to my father,
who was you know, Cia Blue and Blue, and my
mother would did not have the courage in her character
to really realize the depth of evil in terms of
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some of the things that our government was involved in.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Then again back to Peter, Jenny, when you started working
on this field of investigation and writing this book, you've
been working on this book for a long time, and
first version came out in twenty twelve. We went up
to the third version. Now you haven't stopped, that's right,
You haven't rested, that's right. Plus you got the Mary's Mosaic.
What were your mom and dad? Were they alive and
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witnessed you off an instruction to expose all us?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yes? And I had a very uh, you know, in
the late nineteen sixties, as I was coming out of
high school and going to college, I had a very tumultuous,
conflicted relationship with both my parents because I was not
buying in to all the crap that our government wanted
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us to believe, not only about you know, the Kennedy assassination,
but any other number of things. And you know, I
had a very strong independent streak in my being, which
I honored totally. And you know, I spent a lot
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of time in college and post college, you know, just
reading and really educating myself as to what was really
going on, because I was not going to allow myself
to be brainwashed.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Did you ever have an opportunity to Did they ever
review your research and your work? Did they have that
opportunity to give you their opinion of what your conclusions are.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Well, you know, my die. My father died before he
was sixty years old in nineteen seventy nine, so you know,
I mean, he hated the fact that I was going
to Vietnam any war demonstrations and getting arrested and things
like that. My mother did get to see my book
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and read parts of it before she died. God when
did she die? I guess twenty twelve. So you know
the answer is yes and no.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yes, that they did review it, but no, they did
not approved.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, my father didn't get to review it, but my
mother did. But she still she was very taken aback
that I had written this book. She didn't know what
to make of it. Uh. But you know she knew
where I was headed because I was talking about it. Uh.
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And you know, so she had to confront at a
certain point that her oldest son was a raving, rebellious
lunatic of one decree or another.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, you know where we really man, because you know,
they came from a different world. And I have red,
white and blue apple pie. You know, you know what
I mean. We can't expect.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You're out there, you know, burning the flag.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Man. Oh, my son that the same, you know, seventy six,
I'd started hanging out with the York you know, I'm
at aj Weberman in nineteen seventy six. That was fourteen
years old. Yeah, yeah, it's out America. Oh my goodness.
So why don't you give us an idea what the
official story is that because we're almost halfway through the show.
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The official story of the circumstances around her murder and
what you really think happened.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, I was away at boarding school when her murder
took place, and I think in you know, October of
sixty four. I would have been seventeen at that time,
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but the story was kept from me. In other words,
I was up in New Hampshire. The murder took place
in Washington, d C. I didn't really get told about
the story until the evening of Thanksgiving when I returned
home Thanksgiving vacation, and that's when I learned that she
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had been murdered. And of course, one of the things
that took place right after the murder is they had
to find a patsy, and the government and the CIA
were you know, interested in coming up immediately, and they
tried to pin it on this black guy who happened
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to be walking around in the general area with his
girlfriend having a tryst. And you know that, I mean
this guy Ray Crump was arrested and went to trial
a year later, but he was never convicted because he
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had this incredible attorney. Her name was Dobbie Rountree, and
she features prominently in this story, and there's been a
book written about her. There's a film already in Hollywood
that's being written about her and her life. So this
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was you know, it took a while to unravel all
the crap and all the bad. I'm trying not to
use curse as you warned me to, I would have
been using other words in the You understand my point
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of view here, and so I think, you know, after
thirty or forty years, I was one of the main
people who pulled together all the factual information, all the
clues into the book that I wrote, because you know,
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I spent about, you know, eight to twelve years of
research before I actually wrote the book.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, and the book we're talking about is Mary's Mosaic,
The CIA Conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pincher
Meyer and their Vision for World Peace. The third edition
four and a half stars on Amazon, seventeen hundred of views.
This book is no joke. Mary's Mosaic dot net You
can find information there as well. I want to go
back up a little bit, okay, to the tone of
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the mood of that Thanksgiving reunion with your family, are
back from college and not only some mar old bedroom,
you know all this kind of stuff, right, And what
was the tone of them telling you this story that
there had to be some you know, some guilt in
their voice telling you this story. His son, our friend
is dead.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
And well, you have to remember that that evening at
Thanksgiving dinner, my mother didn't want to go anywhere near
what actually happened. She had bought into hook line and sinker,
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the sinker that Mary had been murdered by this black guy,
that it was likely a sexual assault in one way
or another. And the I mean, I remember the dinner
so vividly because I spent many, many years in psychotherapy,
and I kept going back and really just teasing out
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so many different little tidbits and dimensions of what took
place at that dinner. My father didn't say a damn word.
He just stared vacantly off into silence, and of course,
it's my contention that he knew, he knew what had happened,
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but he's sure as hell wasn't going to tell my mother.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, and just imagine too, your dance thinking, hey, they
killed my friend's wife, they could my wife, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I could just imagine, Yeah, I could just imagine that
night that was must have been like, So, what do
you think really happened that evening?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, you know, I didn't know. But what I did
know was that I was very shook up when I
heard this story at dinner, and in retrospect, having gone
over this many many times for a number of years,
I knew it was all crap that I was that
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wasn't the truth of what happened. And I had to
excuse myself from the dinner and go to my room
and just lay down and breathe and kind of take
in what was going on. And I was in shock.
There's no other way to say it. And you know,
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from then on I had to learn how to live
with this for a number of years. That the way
it got really serious for me is that in college
I had started using psychedelics and on one of my
early trips. Mary showed up in my consciousness and started
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talking to me, and we started having conversations, and she
was trying to you know, awaken me and bring me
up to speed. And those were very, very important moments.
I mean, this was going on, you know, in sixty
eight and sixty nine, at the height of the psychedelic era,
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at the height of the you know, anti war, anti
Vietnam War movement, peace movement that was going on. I mean,
the joint was jump in. There's no other way to
say it, you.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Know, I tell you so much of your story room.
I've interviewed Saint John Hunt, the son of Howard Hunt. Yes,
I know Saint John, Yeah, vid him so many times,
and he tells a story about how William F. Buckley
came and took away him and his brothers, you know,
and his brothers and sisters spirited them, and his poor
mother got killed on a plane crash. Was suspicious as hell, right,
(35:27):
can you even call it suspicious? You know, it's as
obvious as hell, you know, But just so much of
your story reminds me of his kid growing up right
in the middle of thewist you.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Know, yes, yes, and you know it shook up a
lot of prominence. It shook up the children of a
lot of prominent Washington families, you know, families who who
the father had very prominent roles in government. I mean,
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like you know, Craig mac McNamara, his father was, you know,
head of the Pentagon, Secretary of Defense during that time.
So you know, from time to time we commiserated together
in little pieces here and there. But I don't think
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any of us really understood the sheer magnitude of what
was taking place in Washington at that time.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Just to clarify, did you know Saint John at the
time or you got to know him more recently.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I didn't know him at the time, Okay, it was
more recently that I that, you know, he and I
I got to know one another.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I can only imagine what those conversations alan because you
must have so much in common. You know, I've become
friends with Monkey Morales to the time, Ricardo Morales, Monkey Morrows,
that whole second generation, you know what I.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Mean, Yes, yeah, yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I mean, you know, I mean, it was a real
education in and of itself to grow up in Washington,
d C. In that era because of what was taking place.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What were these circumstances of James Angleton rushing over to
her place to steal this diary? What's going on? And
how did we find out about that?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
How did we I can't remember? How did we find
out about that? We found out about that from one
of Mary Meyer's closest friends, her name was Anne Truett,
and Bradley and Angleton happened to be at Bradley's house,
Ben Bradley's house the night of the murder, and it
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was Bradley and Angleton who went to Mary's studio because
the studio belonged to Bradley and he had a key
to it. And that's where Angleton found the diary, which
he absconded with immediately because of what was in it.
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And we know some of the things not all of them,
but some of the things that was in the diary
from various people who knew Mary, knew what she was
doing or what she was working on, that kind of thing.
And I don't think, you know, I really think that
her closest friends realized that there had been a just profound,
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dastly deed that took place with Mary Meyer's death, that
it was not a random act of violence, that it
was an intentional hit to get rid of someone who
posed a very serious threat to what our government was
(39:00):
trying to conceal, you know, mainly what came out in
the Warrant Commission, which you know, no one would have
a brain today really believes.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah. So, now Ben Bradley, who was the editor of
the Washington Post at the.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Time, he wasn't the managing editor at that moment, but
he was moving in that direction.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
And he's the hero of Watergates exposing Watergate. Did he
immediately run to the editor and say, we've got a
story here about his diary? It was just stolen right
before my eyes.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
And well, he didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Know, he didn't know. I think, you know, by the time,
I knew Ben quite well, and he was very close
with both my parents, and I knew, you know, a
couple of his children. Well, but you know, I really
take Brasley to task in my book. And you know,
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a lot of people have told me that no one
that they knew has ever understood the dynamics of what
Bradley was up to until they read my book. And
I'm very proud of that dimension of the story. In
other words, really being able to pretty much zero in
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at more than ninety five percent accuracy. The chicanery that
Bradley was involved with.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Well, describe it, tell us about it.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Well, you know, Bradley Bradley wanted to keep his stature
within the Washington com community. He had not yet ascended
to the throne of being the executive editor of the
Washington Post, which he wanted to be, so he wasn't
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going to do anything drastic to upset, you know, his
chances of really being able to assume the level of
power that he wanted to have. And of course that
meant he wasn't going to tell the truth of what
he knew. And you know, I interviewed Ben Bradley twice.
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My first interview, you know, I caught him at a
good time. He was still very, very coherent. The second interview,
clearly dementia had taken over a large part of his
reality and he wasn't helpful at all. But you know
I got him to in the first interview really, you know,
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I mean it allowed me to expose him for the
fraud that he was. You know, when it, for instance,
came to his sister in law's death.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Oh, explain that. But you mean Benchromyer.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, he was married to Mary's sister for a while.
And uh so you know everyone, I mean, Bradley like
my family. I mean, we all knew the same people.
We traveled in the same social strata within Washington, and
so that was a bond in and of itself.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Well then what about this is kind of a curveball.
But then, okay, Ben Bradley, you know Washington Post later
on comes Watergate. There is some no matter, the most
objective perspective, if you could come onto this, is that
there's some overlap of the Watergate burglars in that crowd
and the jeffk Assassin's uh minimum at least correct.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yes, okay, yes, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Okay, but I think it's leave it a little bit more.
But they'd you go to from my But the thing is,
then what's Ben Bradley's excuse?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Then well you'd have to ask him, but he's not alive.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
What do you think what could look what happened there?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Well, well, you know, I mean in terms of water
in terms of Watergate, you know, he had to grab
that story. He couldn't run away from it because it
was it was so apparent, and he understood that if
he really exploited the story in the way that he
wanted to, it would just make him look like the
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shining night in armor that he wasn't but wanted people,
but wanted everyone to believe that he was. So I mean,
I I understood a lot of Ben's dynamics. I think, uh,
you know, when I sent him a copy of the
first edition of my book, I never heard from him.
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I didn't expect to, because there were things in the
first edition that really pulled his pants down and exposed
him to agree to a read that no one else
ever had.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah, and what do you make of the Woodward and Bernstein.
There's a lot of people with complaints about the Woodward.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Well, you know, I mean, I think they provided a
very important service. That doesn't mean that they're pristine clean,
but you know, in terms of what they reported and
the material that they wrote about Watergate, they got it.
They got it right.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I think, Yeah, I like that attitude. I have that
way too, of overlooking people's flaws and their weaknesses in
certain ways and respecting the accomplishments they did. I can
we all have faults, right, Yeah? So okay, So now
what do you make now, well, have you been following
the release of the Luna what's a Anna Paulina Luna
(44:56):
and her release here? Have you been following any of
the new revelations coming out.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
With regard to Trump, No, not.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Toronto Anapoline Luna. About the new JFK documents that have.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Been released, Oh, the ones that have just very recently
been released, you mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Anything cannot corresponds with what you've been working on your
practical whole life.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
No, I think it's it's total crap. Yeah, I mean,
first of all, let's be clear about something. Our government
isn't going to come out and say, oh, yeah, we
had to get rid of JFK because you know, he
wasn't paying any intention to us, or you know, we
wanted someone better, you know, in that role. I mean,
(45:45):
let's be realistic here. Our government is never going to
admit that they assassinated a sitting president under any circumstances.
But the point is is that given some of the
best JFK researchers who have you know, like myself to
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one degree or another, really spent a huge part of
their life in getting to the bottom of this, and
that's where the real pearls of wisdom are and there
have been some great books written about the assassination. Mine
is just one indirectly, but you know, still it carries
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a lot of weight because of the material that I
was able to garner and put into the book. But
I'm friends with you know, several of the people who
I think are the most respected researchers about JFK and
his assassination, and you know, it's pretty clear what happened.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Who would you count as the most respected in your
opinion and that have your respect.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Douglas Horn Okay, yep. He was chief of Chief Analysts
for Military records on the assassination's Record Review Board. He's
written a couple of books of his own. I think
he really has been able to put together so many
(47:25):
disparate facts, you know, about the JFKA assassination, but all
of the lying and duplicity that went in to what
actually happened. And he's a very good friend of mine.
I mean, I've known Doug now for a number of years.
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I've worked with him a couple of things. I would
for me, I would say he is right at the top.
There are a few others, Jim James, D. Eugenio, I
don't like him much as a per so, but I've
had I like him. Yeah, yeah, I mean I I
(48:07):
do respect a lot of the work that he's done,
not all of it, but definitely a lot of it. Uh.
And you know he's he's a big friend of Oliver Stones,
as am I, uh in terms of helping Oliver for instance,
you know, really get the story right. So you know,
(48:30):
I mean there is some there are a bunch of
really high caliber UH researchers out there who really will
not let go of the truth. They aspire to knowing
as much dimensionality of the truth around this event in
(48:52):
history as anyone in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
As the research of the Jeff researcher community as it
goes on in years and years, do you find more confusion,
more misinformation or you think that people are narrowing down
and getting closer to the truth the ladder? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Okay, now today, I mean, look, when you boil this down,
okay to the essential facts, the intelligence community of our
government murdered JFK. That's all. I mean that that is
the most shivering revelation here. Our own government assassinated a
(49:39):
sitting president. And that's inescapable from my point of view now,
given what we know and given the level of research
that has been put together around this.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, and it also seems too that the same fairly
small crew of guys I ran Contra, you know, Arkansas,
it seemed to be all those assassinations all throughout that
whole period. It seems to be that same crew of
guys over and over with those dirty hands doing the work.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah, yes, I would agree. I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, and coming out a national security agency in my opinion.
While we're moving on, so today as we record this,
good old James Diugenio and Oliver Stone and Jefferson Morley
are attending a hearing for Andrew Paulina Luna in regards
to this. Are you going to be watching that today?
Because I hear you're busy your phones ringing off the
(50:37):
hook over there. You're going to be watching that today?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
No, okay, I'll read about it. Yeah, but you know, listen,
I've got two films in the works, one documentary, one
Hollywood bio series on this story of my book. I am.
I am just swamped with work, uh, and I have to,
(51:02):
you know, also take time to rest and sleep and
you know, you know, take care of myself, and I mean,
this stuff can eat you alive very quickly.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
And and wait there also too, there are repercussions for
this kind of work. Have you suffered any kind of
pushback and you're putting pushing up against people you know
that are related to you.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Well, there was a period of time in my life
where I went to bed at night just shivering with
feared and you know, several people not several, but I
would say two or three who were helping me and
really knew some of what was going on in Washington
(51:51):
told me in know on certain terms. You know, Peter,
You've got to realize you're being watched, uh and that
you are a danger uh to the overwhelming authority of
what our government is about. And you know, we're going
to continue to tell you this because we want you
to know and be able to you know, plan accordingly
(52:14):
in any given moment. But you know you are being watched.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
And all the planning in the world if they can
make planes drop out of the sky, you know what
I mean when we payoff, So in the middle of
a payoff, a lot of people seek to know about
and then the FAA director gets replaced. Well, picking up
the debreed right in front of our faces. Man, right
(52:43):
like we're fools.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
You know, yes, I know, I know. It's a very
dangerous time. And you know, I mean, from my point
of view, Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler
in terms of his level of evilness, and you know
what he would like to do.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I could not agree with you more. I think, I
think that right now you would seem to be several
years older than me, but I think, right now this
is the most dangerous time I've lived in my lifetime
and my own personal concerns. We've only got a couple
of minutes left.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
You say you got a bunch of films and things
coming out, Can you have us any kind of preview
on that? What to look forward to?
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Well, the documentary is going to be made first. The
person who's making the documentary is a man by the
name of Langdon Page. He's already won some very serious
coveted awards in Hollywood for his documentary on Alexei Navalni,
the Russian dissident, and I am I am just delighted
(53:49):
that my producer, who knows him, was able to stag
him for this position, because it's telling me that you know,
there's going to be a serious documentary made about this
story and about how I put it together in my book.
(54:10):
In terms of the Hollywood Bio series, you know Apple,
it'll be on the Apple platform. Leo DiCaprio's dad, George DiCaprio,
is really pushing hard for this. He really believes in
this story and he actually will twist Leo's arm to
play JFK. When the time comes. As to whether Leo
(54:34):
will eventually do that, it's anybody's guests. But you know,
the point is to understand that there is some real,
a list Hollywood muscle behind these films, and that's what
is most important to me.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, it's so important that you really watch your step
and all this stuff because we've we've seen the smearing
of Bill Hamilton from The Octopus Star and Marie Terry.
We've talked about that on this show. It seems like like,
especially like Netflix and a lot of these streaming companies
are out there to to put out their own version
of reality, to rewrite history, and it seems like they're
(55:11):
putting a lot of great effort into that. So you
got to really really be on your guard with these
characters out there only got a couple of minutes left.
We're talking to Peter Jenny. Uh, Mary's Mosaic dot Net
check that out. And the book we're talking about is
Mary's Mosaic, The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy,
(55:31):
Mary Pinch Pinchel Meyer and The Vision for World Peaces
the third Edition. Sorry, yes, and keeping after these movies. Uh,
mister Peter Janney, we got about one minute left, two minutes.
What do you want to leave us with?
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Well, I you know, I'm I'm just delighted that you
and I have conducted this interview because I think this really,
you know, this is a bigger story than me or
the book. You know, this is there's a kind of
pictorial representation of a period of American history that all
American citizens should be acquainted with because it's important to
(56:13):
know what your government is really up to, not what
they want to sell you, but what they are really doing.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
And Peter Jennet, I have the same sentiments. I've really
enjoyed meeting. I've loved the sense of you. Anything you
ever want to come and promote on this show, you
have an open imitation.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Thank you, sir, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yes, sir, good night, good night,
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