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(02:12):
Wedger Foundation dot com. It's j O N W E
D G E R Foundation dot org. John Wedger Foundation
dot org dot com. Johnny, you're there. I am ed,
Thank you so much. Tell us about yourself. Who is
John Wedger?

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Well, I'm on a professional level. I'm a retired police
detective and I came to prominence in the UK for
my role as a whistle blower, and it was whilst
I was working on vice investigations that uncovered a child
prostitution market in which children from the ages of nine

(02:52):
to four team from like the sort of welfare system
in the UK, We're being used as prostitutes. And initially
it was only a couple of children going forward, but
very shortly I was going into the dozens, and then
and then even further. It was expanding by the day,
and when I brought it to the attention of my
superior officers, I was threatened in a very very vild

(03:16):
manner with the loss of my home, my children, and
my child if I ever mentioned what I found out.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Now I see from one of these articles you're described
as a as a met law officer and then also
something to it like the CID department. Can you describe
what that is?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah, see idea is detective. Well it's a criminal investigation department. Okay.
What I'm doing now is I spend my time working
alongside victims and survivors as child abuse and also campaigning
for protection for police whistleblowers because in the UK police
whistleblow have absolutely no protection. And I've now networked with

(04:04):
a large group of right minded people that experienced they're
very similar situations in myself and uh and encountered a
very similar bull income income by blue forces were exposing
identical times. And what we found out is that the

(04:24):
police force virtually can do what they want to their
star and there's no employment law in our parliament, the
statute law to protect us. So if the if the
police whistle bowers have that protection, then the victims and
survivors of abuse child abuse, they don't stand a chance
they're getting justiced. So it's a two pronged approach that

(04:46):
we've got in the moment.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Why don't you describe what it is exactly, this child
prostitution ring that you stumbled upon that you uncovered in
your investigation.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, it was. It's started off a one young girl
comes forward to the police and soon separate occasions in
the past and she had aled that she want in
the care system was being taken out by a pimp
and the pin happened to be a woman, a prostitute
that was known to the freece at the time, which

(05:19):
was taken out of her children's home, given practic cocaine
and heroine and then she was taking the various addresses
and used as a prostitute. But what she said to
me is, you know, it wasn't just me, there were others.
So then what happened then was that she gave me
the name of another hell visited her. The story was

(05:40):
exactly the same. She in turn gave me the name
of another girl, and on it went, and it didn't
involve boys as well, you know. And I think that
the last figure before it was crush was about thirty
two children. But when I was silenced on that run,
I then looked into it again in another part of
London and within six days I'd actually found fifteen children

(06:04):
that were working as prostitutes. So it was absolutely endemic,
I mean, and these were children. The youngest one that
I dealt with at that time was nine years old,
and they were taken to multiple addresses in one night.
They were used of sex with numerous people, and they
were exchanged. One girl said, I know that a client

(06:26):
paid two thousand pounds for me for an hour, and
then she said the next client that might be at
restaurant in the wealthy Mayfair area of central London. And
she said, then within an hour I could be in
a crack house in one of the ghetto parts of
London and she would then be traded for ten rocks
of crack. So it would vary, and it going on

(06:50):
for fifteen years, and they were operating with total impunity,
and the worst thing about it ed was the police
knew about it.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Now now you say that they were taken from the
childcare system, which I suppose is similar to the foster
care system here in the United States, So then the
childcare system had to be complicit in this. They had
to be aware.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, they and they were aware. I mean it's
a different levels s because there were children's homes and
these kids go into these homes and they in terms
of cater of about five to six to seven children
at one time. The other ones were children that were
cast as looked after, so there might be a foster

(07:35):
care or the family might be monitored by the child
protection services. So either way, they were incredibly vulnerable children
and a lot of them had come from very abusive
background anyway. But yeah, what I did was when I
started looking at the children's homes and there's it's a
huge money making racket and there's one part of London

(07:56):
had a twenty two children's home in a very small
and I approached them one by one over a period
of six days, and I asked the manager, so, no
one's in trouble here, but how many children do you have?
And I'll ab I just say, well, we've got five.
And I said, how many of the five children do
you lose at the weekend? And they say, well, about

(08:18):
three out of five go missing and Thursday onwards. And
I said, no one's in trouble, but just tell me
from what has happened to them. They went they're working
as prostitutes. And it was very candid, bold and clear
as that.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Have you been able to get any official statements from
these employees that is forced to care home? So who
would go on record for this?

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean what happened was I actually see
what they have is an occurrence book and it's a
log and they write down in these logs when the
children go missing. And then what is more is there
is an official government form they must fill out. So
they are then compelled to fill out a form which
is a police form called a Form seventy four and

(09:02):
it is a missing person's form and they filled that out.
So there is also an official record. A copy of
that is then given to the Child Abuse Investigation Department
for the local police, and another copy goes to our
social services, which is similus to your child protection services.
So we had copies of these forms and these children

(09:23):
were going missing regularly. They would go missing every single week,
and no one ever ever looked into the reasons.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Why now Now, when you started investigating, you mentioned this
nine year old girl who is being taken by this
female pimp. We able to make any arrests.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah, we arrested the pimp and she did stand trial.
After I whistled blew on this, you know, and I
was threatened. Bear in mind, I expected to be praised,
right i'd exposed. I was threatened with the loss of
my children, my home, and my job if I ever

(10:01):
mentioned a word or what I had had exposed. I
was then told that I had no idea who or
what I was dealing with, and that what I knew
could f we know what I'd stand for the Metropolum Police, past, present,
and future. I had to keep my mouth shut so
they all knew. And then what happened was they all

(10:22):
dis operating down, dismissing knew, and every single child victim,
but only running with the original child who came forward.
Now what happened then was this woman She did get convicted,
the first person in the UK under this new legislation
involved in a child sexual exploitation. She was given a

(10:43):
twelve year custodial sentence and required to sign on as
a sex defender. But the tragedy to all of this,
because we couldn't even celebrate that as a victory, was
because very shortly after that woman was convicted, that poor
little are was found dead in a mysterious death industry.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Now, what about the woman pimp? Did she have a
name other people that were involving us as well?

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, yeah, her network was quite expensive. I mean I
won't know names only because I had a civil claim
going against the police. But during the investigations, we had
a barrister out to the family courts involved. We had

(11:32):
someone someone that was connected from the BBC Music Department.
We had a local magistrate that would preside over cases
of the local court involving this very prostitute that was
pending the kids out. There was a mention of a
high ranking police officer. However we never identified who and

(11:56):
there were very you know, locations, and some of them,
like I said, were in the Mayfair area, which is
the Mayfair is one of the most popular charts of
London and they's one of the most opigiden parts of
the world. So you know, there was some very very
well being, well to do and high profile and people
in privilege and sositions of power involved.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
So who was it the threatened us like a superior officer?

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Had that happen?

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah it was. It was my superior officer at
the time, who now was a very high ranked officer
and hopefully I will have my day in in court
with him. But when I made criminal allegation because as
well as whistleblow is and then I was attempt to
silence me, I then went forward. I refused to be

(12:46):
silent and I went on to make a criminal allegation
not just against him, but two other senior officers. And
then soon as I did that, that's when the real
campaign for bullying was set up against me. And over
the ensuing three and a half years, there were nine
attempts to imprison me. They stopped paying me during that period,

(13:10):
so I nearly lost well, I did lose my income
and therefore nearly lost my home, and there was also
an attempt to take my youngest son into the care system.
And you know, at the time I was and still amn't,
a single parents of four children. They're grown up now.
But you know, if there is time, I will explain

(13:33):
exactly what they did to try and get my child
into the care system, because it really is wretchless.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Okay, then why don't we do that? Why don't you
take us through that story?

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah? Yeah, Well, as I mentioned, and the initial threats
took place in two thousand and six, and the fellow's
words are very predictive because what he said to me
was you will lose your home, your children, your job.
You must shut your f in mouth now over the
next few years, you know, And the real campaign started

(14:05):
them about twenty fourteen. They did almost carry out their
threats because I nearly lost my home because they stopped
paying me. The banks came down my house twice and
we presents it. I nearly lost not just my job,
but also my liberty. They served me were what we
call gross mists conduct papers, so each one of them

(14:27):
would have got me sacked. So there was three sets
of them. Each one had at least three offenses on it.
So there was there was well, they were actually over
nine offenses set out against me. In the end, every
one of them would have got me sacked, and the
majority of them would have got me a prison sentence,
and one of them could have got me a fifteen
year prison sentence, you know. And then last year, in

(14:52):
the midst of all of this, all of this was
going on, I had no income. I was looking at
losing my home. One of my children was involved in
a very bad, life changing and catastrophic accident in which
his spinal column was severed and his neck was broken
to the point where he wasn't expected to survive. He

(15:14):
remained on a life support machine for many months, and
I needed to be by his side. Now, I never
had any money, and I still had children that hume
to look after. So I had to go to hospital
and I was sleeping in my car by my dying
child's side. Now, one night, the hospital called me. I
was gone home. I've been home for about two hours,

(15:36):
and they called me back to the hospital. The hospital
was nearly one hundred miles away from my home. I
got to the hospital only to be told that my
son had actually been dead for seven and a half.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
Well it gets it does bring up a little bit. However,
they had managed to get a heartbeat, but he was
on four hundred percent I support. I was then given
a fall and asked if I would sign it, agreeing
to turning the last support machine off at the end
of the week because they could not ventilate his loan

(16:11):
one hundred percent any longer, because it would just destroy
them and he'd die anyway. And I'm a very pragmatic man,
and I said yes, I will sign that. So for
three days I stood by aside. Now a colleague of
mine was so concerned at what I've gone through, only
because I'd done nothing wrong, and I was standing up

(16:31):
for victims and survivors of child abuse, and knew what
a good man I was and how I was a
good father. She reported this to my senior officer, and
bear in mind I should have been paid. There was
no reason for them not to pay me. They just
decided they weren't going to pay me. So she went
to my seniors and says, John Wedger, his son died

(16:52):
last night. He's done my support. They're keeping in life.
He's not expected to live. He's got no money by
a dying sun's side. You know, you've got to help him.
This is unfair, you know, because they showed absolutely no benevolence.
Now that they could have sent a car to pick
me up. There was so much they could have done
as a concern employer, which they had done in the

(17:14):
past or others, but they didn't. Their response to that
was on the third day, So two days before they
were going to challenge shit off, my son actually woke
up and I was then allowed to go home. I
was exhausted, I was hungry, and I was tired, so
I went home. So the Metropolitan Police is a response

(17:36):
to the situation I was in wasn't one of benevolence
or of any empathy or capassion. They decided to tackle
this situation by send them two detectives around to arrest
me for child abandonment because whilst I was by my
dying son's side, I'd left my sixteen year old son
home alone. So that's what they did. They sent down

(17:59):
two detectives to arrest me for child abandonment with the
intention of possibly care for seed against against me in
respect to my youngest son, to neglect and anyway, it
got resolved, and the detective sergeant that came he understood
the situation and he turned on me and said, so

(18:20):
we've been lied to and you've been stitched ups, but
we are going to leave now and this is unfair,
and so he refused to arrest me. So God bless him.
But my story is not alone. Mine is one of
many others. And the common thing is this is all
officers in the UK that have stood up and have

(18:43):
exposed the liberal cover ups of child prostitutions, child abuse,
charles like whatever it is, and have all suffered similar,
if not worse campaigns are bullying.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, that was going to be my next question. I
was going to ask you have other officers that you
knew personally in your little department there, and have they
come forward and supported you.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Unfortunately, and I'm going to set some people now, but
I'm not really in the game of protecting adults in
this one. A lot of officers are cowards, right, and
they don't stand up when you whistle boat or anyone
who's listening out there that is the victim of abuse.
God bless them. But they will know that when they
stand up and they name that their aggressor their perpetrator.

(19:28):
They stand alone. No one stands with them. And it's
the same with whistleblowers. You stand alone. People are too frightened.
They know they might lose their pensure, they might lose
their job. You know, when you become a police officer
in the UK, you hold a bible in your hand
and you take an oath, and that oath is that

(19:51):
I will act without fear or without favor. Now, someone said,
when you're not scared, Well, of course I scared. But
my fear blends into insignificance, to the fear of a
young child that is about to be abused. And that's
how I saw it. I could not allow this to continue.

(20:12):
I do stand slightly alone with the whistle boats. And
as much as to my knowledge, I'm the only one
who actually blew the whistle whilst serving. A lot of
the others actually did retire before they said anything. You know,
but that doesn't matter. That's probably quite an intelligent thing
to do. But for me, I couldn't. I couldn't stand
by allowed this to happen. It was wrong. It went

(20:33):
against well went against my own but it went against
my belief. You know, you know, i't believe in God.
I believe in Jesus. I kind of allowed this, kind
allowed the children to be hurt, and my morals it's
not what I expected myself to walk away from, and
nor my family, nor my God. So on many levels
I could not allow it to continue. But you know,

(20:56):
these these huge constables or commissioners or police, they knew
what they were doing, and so did the Home Secretary,
which was Theresa May, who is now our Prime minister.
She even acknowledged what I was doing because she said
it to one of the campaigners on my behalf and
she actually mentioned my name, so she knew what was

(21:17):
going on. But we are now taking this fight right
to the heart of the British government. And we are
politicians in the UK and when a party is in power,
there's a group and their cabinet minister that they're right
at the front bench in Parliament, and there's the cabinet

(21:37):
minister for Police and in crime. Now he came forward
and he gravely stood by me, and in doing so
he was removed from his position, you know. And he
was present when the Home Office the government stated they
would hold an independent investigation because the police themselves refused

(21:59):
to Envgate it. They did such an appalling job and
I'll explained what they did in a minute. So the
matter was taken to the government to investigate. The Home
Office seems my paperwork in front of this Cabinet minister
and then denied ever knowing me or ever having a
meeting with me. So it is endemic corruption at the

(22:21):
highest high veterance of British society.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Do you think the part of this cover up is
that they're being blackmailed as well? These people got involved
in this kind of activity and they have it hanging
over their heads.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
One of the strands of it most definitely one hundred
cent yes, and I've had that from a very good
intelligence source that's come from central government. Yes, it is.
And the other thing is that we're seeing more and
more cases coming to notice of what they call SRA,
which is satanic ritual abuse that has some involvement in it.

(22:56):
And we've just got also it's a huge money making
mischie sort of paid for children to be in the
clear system then kept dysfunctional. So there's there's so many
different strandsy, it's not one main tools right, But what
what is prominent and already is that the government knows
about it and refuses to do anything about it.

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Speaker 5 (29:01):
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you can help support his work. John. When you started
coming forward with this, Uh, how did was it received

(29:24):
in the media, the local media there?

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Did?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
They were the people outrage when they started hearing.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
This your lines bracing a little bit there? Can you
repeat that?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, I'm curious that when when you went public with
your story, how was it received in the local media.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
Now, the media had approached me right at the very beginning,
and Kuzzar was still in position when I spoke out.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
They they were encouraging me to come forward because there
were a lot of cases being exposed with the UK,
high profile cases. But I knew that I would probably
get arrested if I would definitely get sacked from my
job if I did speak out. It was only really
I did a story for an internet radio station and

(30:17):
they actually put the story out, and I did it
as an insurance poverty that if anything happened to me,
that they would have this statement really on radio. However,
the guy that was the guy that was insuring me
just put the interview out on air and sure enough,
the police then trying to get me sacked at when

(30:39):
I actually I did retire. The national media started doing
a couple of stories, but then it all went dead
and no one was interested. Well it's not that they
weren't interested. I have sat down with me enough every
major prominent newspaper in the UK. But because of Marble

(31:00):
laws and the matter is still going through a civil court,
they were told by the Liberals departments to back away.
I mean I have had meetings with the B and C,
the current Affairs Department, with one of our paces called
Channel four. I'm due to meet another major newspaper in
a couple of weeks time, so they're getting back on

(31:21):
board now. But you know they're filtered as well. They're
restrictive is what they can and can't say. So I
don't really blame that the average journalist. It's the media
very much of the top. The restricts the flow of information.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
So the average person in the street over there in
London isn't aware of your story.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Are you boke of it? Do you say? The average people? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, the average person over there in London, they're not
aware of the story.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Well, well, they slowly getting there because the alternative media
and the Internet and social media. I've really made use
of that and I've sort of done it my way
as apparents to having a leg up from the national media.
There's a couple of the whistle blowers that actually get
a lot of systems from the national media, whereas I never.

(32:14):
But my story is slowly getting out there and the
response I'm getting from the public is quite amazing. And
you know, a lot of the people I'm working with
on the victims and the survival abuse and the majority
of them have had very troubled lives and every quite
a large discentage have ended up doing time in prison,

(32:34):
you know, and I've sort of gained their trust, which
is quite a fragile bridge to build. Bear in mind,
I've come from a law enforcement background, and a lot
of these people do have suspicion of the police. You know,
they say once a top rules a couple and things
like that. But I'm working with a fantastic guy called

(32:55):
Bill Maloney who himself has been in the enough of
the institution as of good time spent in the busive
care system. And you know, we are slowly getting our
name out there. But yeah, no, there has been a
huge response, especially in the last year, and I am
sort of getting quite well known now, which I'm not

(33:16):
doing anything for that sort of statements. But what I
want is a platform so I can speak out. I
can encourage police officers to stop doing what they're doing
and ignoring it. I want the chief constables inclusions of
police also to stop covering this up. And I want

(33:36):
victims and survivors to come forward and feel safe in
coming forward. Unfortunately, yet we have quite a stringent legal
system in this country when we go on to common
law and we have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt
that someone's done what they've done. Now, a lot of
the victims, like I say, we've got seventy five to

(33:59):
eight percent of our prison population has come from abusage
childhood backgrounds, so really it sets them up to fail
in society. And we've got a bit of legislation called
to Bad Character Act, and what that saying is that anyone,
whether it's be a witness, saw it defended if they've
got a questionable criminal history, that can be brought in

(34:23):
at any time in the trial. And a lot of
victims of abuse and turn to alcoho role and plugs
and if they don't have an income. Then that gets
funded by crime, and it's usually sealing from shops, prostitution,
things like that, and then inevitably they'll get arrested and
then they'll be cast as a person of bad character.

(34:45):
So at some point in their life when they do
get brave enough to make allegations against abuses, they're instantly
vilified as being a liar. So it's a very very
difficult and uptill battle forum. I want to be part
a machine. The change is that.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
You mentioned earlier that you found a pattern two of
satanic ritual abuse. Now is this something that you've you
witnessed firsthand when you were investigating this cases or are
you hearing this now secondhand?

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Well, well, what I would say is yes and no.
I mean I worked on the investigation side, mainly in
the ghetto areas of London. Now, one of the areas
I worked had a big black community, and there would
be cases come forward from because of Jamaican families. And

(35:39):
in Jamaica they had a title of black magic with
opia Opa. I think it's a top of voodoo, okay,
And so there would be these isolated cases And I'm
not demigrating the Jamaic community at all. But I'm just
saying that was the main demographic of the area was
working and there would be the disolated cases of any

(36:00):
Satanic abuse in the backdrop of this rudoo, so they
would crop up. There would also be the Congolese communities.
There would be a very similar indigenous voodoo going on
within there. It wasn't really until I left the police,
but I started coming across more and more victims and
survivors of what we call fra. However, I have worked

(36:24):
with colleagues who have actively investigated satanic abuse cases, but
more in the rural areas of the UK, and my
old sergeant told me of a case in West Wales
and there was actually a very successful prostitution where it
was Satanists. I've been sort of carrying out these rituals

(36:46):
against children for many, many years, and that actually got
quite high in the media. But they can't deny it exists.
Because when I was training to be a detective for
child abuse, I had to go and to specialist training
classes that we've hold. We've learned about the legislation I'm

(37:07):
working with all the different agencies, and part of the
training was in respect two satanic abuse and they would
always highlight a couple of cases, and one of them
was being a case in the Orkney Islands, which is
these islands off the north coast of northern Scotland, which
actually nearer to Norway than they are to the UK,

(37:28):
in which there was intergenerational satanic abuse going on and
that had been infiltraated and sort of crushed by the police.
So it has gone on. I think there has been
in the UK in recent history about twenty five recognized
cases of satanic natural abuse. But it's still very much

(37:48):
a subject. It's something that really is the elephant in
the living room. And you mentioned it at your Perils well,
but it needs to be mentioned because it is really going.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
On now in your since you've been working on this
in these circles, have you run into the Hampstead case,
aban Ella?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Yeah, I mean again, this is another one which sort
of you know, infers on Satanism. Now, you know, I've
watched that. Many people have watched the videos, and I
spent a lot of my career interviewing children, and I
would say, if I asked my opinion, I don't think
the children are lying. But that's that's my opinion. I've

(38:33):
not seen any of the things paperwork, so I can't
really comment any further, but there does seem to be
a major failing in how that case was or wasn't investigated,
And I think it was looked at over a period
of about twelve weeks, which really for the very very
high level allegations, even you know, the serious allegations that

(38:55):
were made, you know that that should have really remained
on the books as an active investigation. I would have
thought well over a year. I mean, because I've had
shoplifting cases that have lasted on the system longer than
that one has. It's very very questionable why that was
never pursued. So I think there's probably something in it,

(39:19):
but again i'd need to see all the paperwork and
everything else before I come up with any bigger conclusion.
But I don't think the children were lying in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Now, I read in one of these articles describing your
case that you discovered something about the canals. The convicted
sex offenders were able to live on these canals and
go unreported.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean in the UK with you know,
an extensive in our waterway network, and most of it
has been hand built built by the Irish actually back
in the seventeenth shustory and that really they were the
first most ways, and you know they go all the way,

(40:04):
connecting the major rivers and coastal units. They connect all
throughout in the UK. Now, I was asked by an
officer to look into whether or not there are sex
offenders which are living on house boats now as it's
not commercially used anymore. The waterways they now are more

(40:27):
residential and a pastime sort of thing. So you can
ment these little boats for narrow boats for the thing
really long, but those are quite comfortable. You know, we've
got living accommodations. This is like caravans on the water.
And there was a less to have been sex offenders
living on these boats. Now, in nineteen ninety seven the

(40:49):
laws dictated that anyone that was convicted of a sexual
offense had to sign on the sex offenders register. Now
there's a lot of paranoia because in America you can
out someone with a sex offender in the UK but
we can't. But they thought this was coming, so a
lot of the sex offenders went underground and they needed

(41:10):
to be monitored and they became stransient and there was
a less that there were two of them living on
these canal boats within London and I was asked given
a three month period looking for it. We'll be very happy. Well,
within the first month I've found ninety Mandero and in

(41:32):
looking into it, it was that there was a loophole
in the law which will it will take too long
go intro now, but it versally allowed the people to
live on these boats and not be found. And also
what you then is you get cowboats. There were a
law for children. The kids loved the boat, you know
that they did. They do these charters where they take
a lot of special knee children out in the boats

(41:53):
up and down the canals. At the same time, the
Brittish Seaweed of EBC and its children's program called Rosie
and Gin and it was about two little rascals that
they've in a canal boat. So with that linkin, it
was more of a law for the kids. And we
were finding that some of these people were setting themselves
up as doing respite care for special needs children and

(42:17):
camm our boats and there were sex offenders, you know,
and it was just absolutely appalling. Now, I was so
successful at this and I'm not going to take all
the credit and I don't want to do that, but
it's just a simplify it. The matter was taken before
Parliament and the law was actually changed to try and
curtail this loophole. So I was instrumental in getting the

(42:40):
law changed. So the government are aware of this problem.
But what happened was after the first year of monumental
success and near enough categorize every single person who loved
near enough everyone in London who was living on the boats,
I was approached. This is the first time I really
knew about cover up. I was approached by a senior officer.

(43:02):
He said, we're going to take you off of this
operation because for Project Tanner and it was tracking down
trans in peda parts. So you're being removed from it
because we can't afford you to be seconded anymore. And
I protested and said, well that isn't the case, you know,
at least granted with a little bit of respect here.

(43:23):
And he looked me straightly eye and he said, John,
let's come from high up. You've got to shut it
down and that's what we've got done. Who are there too?
So I was then approached by one of the Scotland
Yard detectives on the pedophile unit that I was seconded to.
He said to me, in any former policing, if you

(43:45):
get good, you get promoted and you get a nice
good job. You know you're love when you look at
sex defender than pedophiles and you get good at it,
you get crushed. And he said, and that's what they'll
do to you. And then he went on to tell
me about the many occasions when they'd investigated cases and
members of the British Parliament are propped up and each

(44:06):
time it was shut down. So it has been going
on for a long long time. This was the first
time I've been shut down. In the end, there were
three occasions when I was shut down for the same thing,
and each science that's sounding the least bigheaded about it.
You know, I was good at what I was doing.

(44:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, Now, when when when they're confronting you, when these
superior officers are confronting you, do you talk to the
man to man and say to them, hey, how could
you live with yourself? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah. I turn around,
I said, I'm going to be very candid about this.
I wanted to talk to you once, you know, saying
man to man, and he said, good, that's how we've
got to talk. And he just and I just said,
what we've done wrong? You said, you don't understand, You've
got no idea or what your effing was. You've got

(44:58):
to back down now, you know. Bear in mind, I
don't like this fellow now for what he's done, and
I see him as a very dangerous in the fairish man.
But at the time I had a lot of respect
for him. He was a good leader, he was a gentleman.
And on a couple of kays in and actually had
a beer with this guy, and he just changed and
he just said, I'm trying to tell you back down.

(45:20):
You will lose everything. And I must admit I got fired.
I genuine believed and I was to find out that
this man had the capabilities of doing it because the
morn before I've actually seen a colleague stand against the
system and get crushed and saw what he did to him.
And I knew that this was coming to me. And

(45:42):
really this conversation wasn't open to any contradiction. He made
that very clear.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Now, But do you think he was motivated by fear
or was he involved in profiting from this, or was
he perhaps being blackmailed himself.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Well, well, well I'll never know. I mean, my opinion
is that these specialist units, and I was lucky enough
to serve most of my services on specialist units as
a detective. Now they are filters and they control what
crime is domsticated and really what crime is built it

(46:18):
out into the public to name what the public know about.
And he was a gatekeeper for this crime. So if
his Unich didn't deal with it, in the eyes of
the British public, it didn't exist, right, So I think
there was pressure put on him his career after he
did this to me Blossoms. He was then commended by

(46:39):
the Queen, I mean, and he went from leaps and
bounds to one of the highest posts in the land.
So whereas my career went the other way, he didn't.
So I mean, maybe you could look into that way,
but I would say he was lent on and I
would say there would be an element affair, but also
his discipline. He would may be probably told to shut

(47:02):
this little git up, you know, stop it now, it's
your unit. You keep your dogs in order, and that's
what he did. But what you know, I did make
an allegation of corruptions. So I would say, yeah, he
was corrupting what he did, and I was bold enough
to make a criminal allegation of corruption against him.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Now now you have some ongoing litigation right now.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Yes, yes, it's taken a long time. We have what
we call the Police Federation that that they're lucky union,
but that we're not allowed at union, so they're just
advisors really when we're in trouble. They have access to solicitors,
and the solicitors are paid for and hit that I
went to that they that they sponsored, said no, we're

(47:48):
not looking at it. So in the end I took
it independent. The first company I took it to snatched
it out of my hands straight away. So I'm taking
it privately. It will cost me, but I've got to
carry on the good fight, and i want this in
the public remain. I want people names, and I want
them held accountable. They need to be held viceresely lible,

(48:11):
but not just the action ed, but also they're in actions.
Because we are failing. Society is most vulnerable and that's
our children, and we are doing it willingly and we're
bidding of these chief constables and it's got to stop.
Is evil. It is evil. And when we go on
what we did earlier about satanic rich reviews. Even if

(48:34):
there's not an organized element of this, anyone that aspects
with a child is committing and ask of evil. These
are not people of God. So the whole thing is
just dissusting and it is dark and it is satanic
some things on a broader aspect. And you know, the
British a very good at point in the finger around
the globe and mocking others for being uncivilized and not

(48:57):
generally whereas we probably are the worst history of failing
our children and then me other country on this planet.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
That's that's true, and it does seem to go all
the way to the top too. You know, you always
hear about the Queen being involved and savile and these characters.
People can support your work. They're going to John Wedger
Foundation dot org. That's j O N W E d
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(49:28):
fund me John Wedger. John, we're just about at a time.
What do you want to leave us with?

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Well, well, I'm sure I'm going to be continuing the campaign.
I've got a charity of then coming up. I walked
from London to Manchester early this year with my pet dog.
I'm in a month of time, I'm going to be
cycling from London to call More, thus about three hundred
miles in it on actually a pushfight that I've found
in the river, and there's reason for that, but I'll

(49:55):
explain at another time. And then I'm going to be
swimming around a set of island called the Arms of Sleep,
which are an archipelago in the middle of the Atlantic.
That's twenty miles. So I'm just off now to the
Canary Islands from my swimming training. I've got a week
swimming training to get my swimming fitness up. I'm going
to be continuing the campaign. People can follow me online

(50:18):
on Facebook. If anyone wants to support me, please do so.
You know what we're seeing happening now is that, unfortunately
we're getting what we called trolls. We're getting people trying
to right and attackers. We've got to stop that. We
have to work together, we have to unify and we

(50:38):
have to work the collective. And I am now working
with former police officers former military men. There's a political
party called the din DMP, the Democratic Veterans Party that
are behind us. We've got the British football fans are
supporting us. They've got their own little collection of the
d FLA. They're behind us. I've got an exit bankster

(51:01):
supporting me, a very high profile gangster behind me. I've
got people that are in the prison system behind me.
And really, I think in the first time ever, we
have seen a cohesion of our society from right to
the bottom, right to the top. So as much as
pedophile pedophiles are unifying and destroying everything you know, across

(51:22):
the society, we are repairing it and breed together. And
I really think that this is going to be a
game changer. Heads, but we've got to sit together. We
can't be divisive on this.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
John Wedger, thank you so much. And I want you
to stay in touch with us too. If there's anything
you want to move up to, can you come back
to when there's better audio. But also too, just if
there's anything you ever needs to promote, just give me
a call. We'll put you right on the air. Okay.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Can I just say that the site in a miracle
called funding Morality. If you go onto the website in
the US, it's a group of New Jersey Funding Morality.
They have a contribution for me out there and they're
the people that I got in touch with Frank Curperc.
I did a thing with Frank Cerco last year and

(52:09):
so there is a group there. So you can't get
me on the on the US website oneding Morality, John Wajer,
and it will come up.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
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Speaker 3 (52:17):
Thank you so much, God, bless you, thank you, God,
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like like I said, the website is John Wedger Foundation
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(52:39):
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I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman. We just had
John Wedger on the show former Scotland Yard. He's a
whistleblower now uncovered systemic child abuse, satanic ritual abuse, of
children there in the UK and was fired in silenced.
They tried to charged nineteen attempts to imprison them. I
tried to take his own children away from threatened and intimidated.

(57:56):
But now he's on a campaign to raise awareness. So
we definitely support John, and so much of what he
said confirms my own experience in this. The business about
the trolls, the online trolling, that's no accident, man. These
trolls just come out of the woodwork and they seem
to be on both sides to just causing chaos and confusion.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
We discussed that a bit. We touched on that a
bit in the interview. I wish I could have got
into more of it. So much of what he said
to me on the air and off there I could
confirm with my own experiences. So a big shout out
there to John Wedger. We'll have him back out. In fact,
I'm even going to offer him his own show and
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(58:58):
ten thirty pm at night, all day long, it was
traffic was horrible, nothing but car trouble. We've had a
car breakdown. We got a cracked windshield and got to
put a new battery in there, and we went through
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(59:18):
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