Mike Parziale Returns : Hollywood Pedophelia

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parsi Alli. He's from MJ Victims dot com. He's got

(02:46):
a Facebook page at a website and twenty thousand followers
on Facebook alone, So he's really becoming He was involved
in the Wayne Robson case there with Michael Jackson, and
has really become an authority on Hollywood. Pedophild you and
all these crazy cases were always discussing. It's become some
owner of an expert on all these topics because he's
right there in the thick of it, in the midst

(03:07):
of it all, whether whether it's Corey Feldman or whatever,
what have you. Michael Jackson, who knows that Mike parsy On,
he's got his thumb on the pulse of all this stuff.
So Mike you there, yes, sam it, Yeah, how'd you
wind up in his business?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know?

Speaker 4 (03:23):
I mean, I'd be warned up.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Here, mikeked I asked myself that. Every day. I asked myself,
I was you know the problem is I think part
of it is I'm Italian and being an Italian when
people challenge you or you put out your point of
view and you tend to and they tend to or
dismiss it, or they argue you want to knock the
back down. You kind of get that little you know,

(03:46):
Italian fights in you. And that's how it started. I
was Wade Robson had come forward and I just was like,
you know, his story resonated with me, and that whole
situation did. And next out it you know, commenting on
various articles and things, and I was I was getting
essentially uh you know, uh, you know, yelled down and

(04:09):
harassed and unique. It just for you know, making my
commentary known, you know, as a CSA survivor myself. I
kind of, you know, understand where a lot of this
comes from. And I just decided, Okay, I can either
keep on trying to you know, uh, you know, comment

(04:29):
on these various sites, or I can just create one
of my own and try to get the news out
in a different manner. And it started out like I said,
you know previously, it started out with the Michael Jackson
case and then it's just morphed into and a lot
of it was really people who were sending me things
about various cases. I looked into the Jimmy Savile case

(04:52):
and already looking into the Franklin cover up, and and
and then I really went into a lot of Hollywood
type of you know how what I call Hollywood child exploitation.
And it just went from there and there and there.
It just it just keeps on getting, you know, it
keeps on adding. There's more information coming out and especially nowadays,

(05:15):
almost daily.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
And like you said, you have to be tenacious, You
have to be very persistent in this because, especially online,
with this topic, there's more organized chaos and confusion than
than any other topic you could debate JFK or UFOs
or any other topic that's controversial. When you get to this,

(05:40):
there's an organized opposition out there that that are ruthless
and and we'll tear you down and attack you personally
and investigate your life in docks and all that kind
of stuff, like like a few other topics out.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
There, Oh, with no question. And it's the reality is
it's a very visceral type time. It's something that most
people that are you know, most normal people would say,
you know, if you're going to the harming of children
in any way, right is reprehensible, And that gets right

(06:14):
to you, and when you put out that information, a
lot of people just they just have a shivering cringe
to it because it is so so difficult to understand
and it gets really people in some cases visually upset

(06:35):
over it. But it's also the other side where these
people that are doing these things, especially people that are organized,
they're going to do whatever it takes to make sure
that the information is really downplayed as much as possible.
And it's it's what's funny is a lot of times
when these topics has talked about, they won't get into

(06:57):
the actual real dialogue. They'll use they'll sort of sugarcoated,
or they'll they'll make it sound less than what it is.
And so people can, you know, gloss over it. And
I find that all the time. It's it's amazing how
how many times it's you mentioned the word They don't

(07:19):
want to use the word child rape. They use every
other word you can possibly think of to you instead
of using the actual correct terminology. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
I got a couple of shows in the can already.
I'm doing one about the Finder's Case with a really
unknown guest on there who's doing great research and stuff.
What a fascinating case you think this would be headline
news all over the place, the CIA connections and just
the bizarre with Washington, DC connections all over the place.

(07:47):
But again very little. There's no book, No one's written
a book about it, no one's done a documentary about
the finders.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Well, I will be listening to that because I've always
I thought that that case is incredibly intriguing. The fact
that you had documented evidence, and the fact that you
had these even back then, these sort of transfers of
money going on, I guess, but the China and selling
of children and the fact that you've had children, You've

(08:16):
actually had children that were found that were you know,
you know there they were actually there wasn't something that
was right. You know, well they thought they have them.
They may have been, they had them, and they let
them go.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
It's children who didn't know what a telephone was, who
didn't know what a TV said was, who didn't know uh,
you know, like the kids were being raised federal kids. Basically,
I don't think they even know what a bat se
was so defascinating.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Yeah, the most telling point about that is they took
an anonymous, just average citizen to call in and report
that right to have the police come down. Just an
average person could see there was something wrong. But yet
all these investigators and the FBI was probably in her
eyeballs up to in the CIA whoever just say, oh, well,

(09:07):
this is not a man that really you know, this
is international now that we have to let them go
find fascinating. I'm looking forward to that show.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Oh yeah, well that's coming up. It's already in the
can And I got another one coming up that I
recorded too as well, with one of those models from
that UK documentary that was hit on by Trump and
she was sixteen years old, and breaking news coming out
on that show. She tells us about another girl who
she met was seventeen years old, who dated Trump when
she was seventeen, who was a model named Nadia. So

(09:39):
a Russian girl by the way too, So it goes
little little breaking news coming out in that one too.
That's I forget her first name, Pillings is the model's
name who we're gonna have on the show. Now you've
got something going on too, Yeah, and this is the
first time I'm hearing about it. Is you're working on
a documentary film.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Yeah, it's I'm kind of calling it a mini documentary,
but I'm working with a person who I like their work.
They like have they put together you know, videos and
things like that, and we're taking our time on it.
And essentially there's going to be two parts to this.
The first part is called I haven't we haven't really
named the second part, but the first part is going

(10:19):
to be called Michael Jackson Fanatical. And what it's going
to be is investigating, not investigating, but documenting the synatical
behavior of these Michael Jackson fans that have really harassed, threatens, intimidated, belittled.

(10:39):
I mean, I can go on and on about how
they operate, you know, what they you know, they'll they
almost come in like these groups of individuals that will
just you know, as soon as there is a story
that you know, comes forward about, like Wade Robinson to
a new interview with Inside the Dish in I want

(11:00):
to say, several months back, and I literally my page
for days was just inundated with just just awful, awful content.
And my page at this point it's more than just
Michael Jackson page. It's it's about all different cases. We
cover all different you know scenarios, not just you know,
child rape. We cover a doubt rape we cover many

(11:22):
cases and to have it them just blatantly post us
publicly and some of the most horrendous things you want
to see. But it goes from the Jordan's Channeler case
all the way up to present and how it was,
how it started, and how the pr machine was put
in motion to what we call rile up the bases

(11:43):
and how it you know, got then went into the
r Viso case, and then went into afterwards when Michael
Jackson passed away, and and how his history has been
whitewashed and yell YadA. So we're just taking a real
careful you know look at this, and it's never really
been done. It's never really been done. I think where

(12:03):
it's like, Okay, we need to address this issue of
you know, you have every right to be a fan
of somebody. You have a right to admire their work.
You have every right to say no what I think
Michael Jackson's innocent. You have every right to that. But
you don't have the right to come in and literally harassed, threaten,
and intimidate victims are what I believe are victims of

(12:26):
child great you don't have that right, and and that's
what this whole documentary is going to focus on and
it's all the wrong. What's funny is they gave me
all the material, even most of it's on my page.
Most of it is on you know, other you know
videos that will put out that the comments are just surreal.

(12:49):
So it's it's it's going to be Hopefully, I'm hoping
I'm going to try to do this the right way.
I'm gonna try to advertise it, try to put a
little like a little teaser type thing to get people
to watch this because and hopefully there would be somebody
that's you know, a really big YouTuber or somebody that's

(13:11):
you know, that can get this trending, because it's really
important that this. You know, everyone talks about the me
too movement. They were the first or one of the
first to come forward against somebody of that substance, you know,
besides Roland Plansky, of that substance and come forward and
say hey this, you know, international superstar rapeming and you know,

(13:35):
the me too movement and a lot of these other
moments have a lot to uh, you know, look at
when it comes to the Michael Jackson case. Because they
were one of the first and we didn't have the internet,
we didn't have social media, we didn't have anything. And
I'm hoping that that documentary really hits on. I just
saw a rough draft of some of the beginning of

(13:57):
it and it looks fairly good, and we're gonna you know,
I'm good. I'm taking my time on it.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Okay, I'm really looking forward to it. You know, I
have a friend who worked in Santa Maria Police department
when that trial was going on, and he talked about
how those fans. You know, he has some stories, man,
I gotta put you in touch with him. He has
some stories up there about the fans up there, living
out of their cars, intending the trial every day, and
the dancing and protesting and having a little you know,

(14:26):
you know, a little get togethers and stuff, you know,
just bizarre bunch. So maybe he's got some video to
us and you can use. That'd be great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we got to work on that. Okay. So we got
you back here, and it's been a flurry of activity

(14:47):
in the past few weeks, all these different You send
me a whole list of people. What do you want
You want to start with James Gunn.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean that's where I think it started. With me,
because I'm not the only arguing with you know people online.
I'm arguing with friends over this. James gun put out
a really for first of all, people know James gun Is.
James Gunn is a writer. He was an actor. He
started his we'll say his acting career in the Trauma

(15:18):
movies like The Toxic Avenger and all those like be
like you know b S type movies that came out
by Trauma Films, and that's where he got his we
show his you know, knowledge of the film industry and
and and and whatnot. And he also directed movies like

(15:42):
you know Scooby Doo and the Uh directed The Garden
Guardian of the Galaxy movies, which is the that series
is owned by Disney, so Disney actually is the people
that are putting out that particular series. Now, what happened
with James Gunn Is is that the there was a

(16:06):
man by they make a man by the name of
Mike Cernovich that came forward, and I almost wish it
wasn't Mikevich because I thought, I don't like Mike Cernovich
or I don't really much about him. But it was
easy to hack him because he is very much of me.
He is very vocal when it comes to Donald Trump

(16:30):
and when it comes to a lot of the uh,
the issues that were surrounding Donald Trump. So he was
a very easy target for them to say, well, this
was nothing but a witch hunt, and Michael Ceranovitch was
just going, you know, trolling through other people's Twitter accounts
trying to find damning information. But the reality is when

(16:51):
you look at the actual the actual tweets that he
put out, and there was dozens of these, and he
he ended up having to literally he well, I'm sure
he did it out of his sort of self preservation.
He deleted his oh Twitter account. But a lot of
people will say, well, these would just joke, you know,

(17:13):
he was just joking about this, But some of the tweets.
I'm gonna read you some of these and I'm gonna
try to clean them up a little bit. But you
have to realize, this is a man that's working for Disney.
This is a gentleman that is in a director position now,
a position of power, and this is something that he

(17:36):
supposedly put out in two thousand and nine, two thousand
and eight somewhere around there, and he's saying, well, you know,
I was I wasn't really as grown up as I
am now. Well. He was in his forties back in
so this was not somebody who was like eighteen putting
these things up. This was somebody who was in his forties.
And he writes stuff like, I like it when little

(17:56):
boys touched me in my silly place. And then he
writes things like my new film dirt loose. A small
town where we're beating off is illegal, and one high
school kid blanks in front of the other is to
show how fun it is. And then he writes something
like this, three men and a baby they had sex with.

(18:19):
And then he'll write stuff like this, this hotel shower
is the weakest ever. It felt like a three year
rode king on my head. And then he'll write things
like this, the hardy Boys and the mystery of a
what it feels like when Uncle Bernie fists me. And
then he'll write things like this, the expendables were so expendables,

(18:41):
was so manly. F the blank out of the little
pussy boy next to me. The boys are back in town,
and this little gem eagle snatches kid is what I
call it when I get lucky wah. And then one
of the most fas one was I remember my first

(19:02):
Nammal meeting. It was the first time I felt okay
being who I am. Some of those guys are just
still my BFFs. And he then also posted a link
to it wasn't a real video. It was a group
of choir girls singing the I don't even I don't
even know what idiot came up with this idea, but

(19:24):
a group of choir girls singing the Vinyls hit I
touched myself. So he retweeted a tweet from a gentleman
who's now a convicted pedophile, and it said it had
like a fake link to it, and it said, you know,

(19:45):
ten Pubrescent girls touching themselves. And then he tweeted a
link and then he tweeted something like, oh I watched
it and I blanked all over my face. This is
somebody again, this is a gentleman who is involved with Disney. Now,
people say, well that was nine years ago. Well that
was eight years ago. Disney should have known what they're

(20:06):
gunning themselves into. Yeah, I agree, they probably should have,
and they might have known. Actually, but here's another thing.
If I'm working for Disney and say I'm not in
that type of humor. No, I'm not claiming this guy's
a pedophile at all. I'm not taking that leap. What
I'm saying is that he's contributing to tearing down the

(20:30):
framework of what keeps society together. You know, these types
of jokes. What happens is that it's almost like what
the Internet has done to so many cases where people
get desensitized to material. But this is a type of material.
We really shouldn't be desensitizing ourselves too, because we need
to be really up in front of it. But anyways,

(20:53):
he had all those years, he could have deleted all
these and you could have said, you know what, I'm
working for a company. Now that's you know, of being
child friendly. I'm I don't want any of us out there.
He left them and he had no qualms. And then
when asked about this, he you know, you know, kind
of makes a snarky apology about you know, well I

(21:16):
made I do regret making those tweets. You know, obviously
I don't know why I have to say this. I'm
not acting those tweets out well. You know, the reality
is is that we don't know. I don't know, nobody
knows what person in their right mind is going to
put something like that out there and leave it there,

(21:39):
and he then have all of the cast members defending
him because he got fired from Disney. And that surprised
me when people say, well, he got fired from Disney,
and like, I'm like, just over these tweets, does anyone
know the history of Disney? Does anyone know that Disney
had a convicted pedophile as the director on one of
their movies called Powder that when they were confronted with

(22:01):
this sort of brushed it off. Leven finished the film
and then promote the film. Does anyone else? I'm standing
the astreat of the year. So if they fight him
over this, I think there's probably other things that they're
more considered concerned about. Disney is is not a you know,
is not this puritanical type corporation that's looking to clean

(22:24):
the world. Disney is probably up from their knee up
into their eyeballs in this.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Now you're saying that these posts were from nine years ago.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Yeah, I think it was two thousand and nine, twenty
ten somewhere around there.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
We got that. Yeah, that's right. At the beginning of Twitter,
Twitter didn't get get really start getting really active until
like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, and
I was like one of the first guys on Twitter
because I was involved with a bunch of Internet marketers
and when we heard this think Twitter come out, we
all went and registered our names on Nancy that wouldn't
get stolen. So I'm familiar with the beginning of Twitter.

(22:56):
So in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
there weren't a lot of people on Twitter, so it
would have just been his group of friends, you know
what I mean, Like he was intimately Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
You know, if you look at the like the retweets
and the likes and stuff, there's not many retweets and
likes to it there. He probably was, Yeah, And you
know that's even more scary right right, hanging out with
getting these and then and the reality is he's not
He's not a stand up comedian. The guy is. He's
a writer. He has he written comedy before. Yeah, but

(23:29):
he's not really this is not again, and we're not
talking about somebody in a you know, in a dimly
lit comedy club telling jokes. This is somebody who is
a comedy writer who thinks that this type of humor
is what we needed in two thousand and nine, and

(23:50):
you know, he couldn't be further from the truth. He
also there was a video out there I saw of him,
and I asked to get the full context of it,
but I believe it was one of the actresses that
were saying that she was somewhat upset of some of
the things he was tweeting about her. And he said.
Then she said something about, well, my mom or my
grandmother might be seeing this. I really feel uncomfortable and

(24:13):
getting kind of angry with him, and she said to her,
She said to him, well, you know what, you know,
one of these days you're going to have a daughter,
and what do you think if something like this was
said about your daughter and his reply was well, by
then she would have already been broken in by me.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
WHOA.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
So again, this is and this is defended. This is defended.
It's defended by people who say this is about freedom
of speech, this is about we need to take a
step back because we have all this and they're trying
to make it political. They're trying to say, well, this

(24:52):
is revenge from the people from the rights who were saying, well,
look what happened to roseannebar So now we're going to
orc create this attack, and you know what, it could
very well be. So I don't know what the motivations
of the person putting this out is, but I know
what I'm reading, and I know how harmful that information is.

(25:14):
And my viewpoint is, I don't care what artisan, I
don't care what political side you're on. It doesn't take
that much of a moral weak to look at this
and say, you know what, this is unacceptable for somebody,
especially who's making children's movies, to read anywhere near children,

(25:35):
anyone near them, because we don't know what your mindset was,
We don't know, we can't get into your mind.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, you know, we really got to remove the whole
political aspect out of this, you know, and this whole
right wing alt right exposing pedophiles and Q was gonna somehow.
You know, Trump is round the complete all there's bizarre beliefs.
And by the way, Cernovich as well, so you know,
he mixed up in the Jeffrey Epstein case on the

(26:01):
side of Dershowitz for that, who was accused of being
a monster and watching this girl's service, Epstein right in
front him having a conversation when that scene went while
he's raping this little girl.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
So you know, there's no excuse.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
At all.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Yeah, he he was the one that orchestrated the settlement.
Am i am I correct?

Speaker 6 (26:22):
On this?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Was he?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
No?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, no, yes, yes, he was involved in the in
the original lawsuit, you know, the original criminal case defense,
you know, working on that. But then later on he
was named as being one of the victimizers in this case.
You know, later.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
On he went on like I remember, he went on
various news, out with on various rants and almost embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Himself, right, And then then he sued the attorneys for
defamation and they and made all kind of bar complaints
against him too, and then settled on a Friday night.
They did a quiet settlement on a Friday night where
he settled. But but some of the other cases where
he's still named is still active. And then but Cernovich
filed an emotion to release information that would benefit Dershowitz,

(27:07):
and it looked like Dershwitz wrote the motion.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
That's ridiculous. Yeah, sorry, you know, I don't. Again, you
don't have to be that much of a you know,
a legal legal to see the connection between Dershwitz and
Epstein and you don't have to be that much of
a moral you know, if you're gonna claim the moral
high ground, you have to also look at the fact that, Okay,

(27:34):
this gentleman is defending or in any way, you know,
Jeffrey Epstein. Everyone seems to say, well, that's what they do,
that's their jobs. Now you can pick and choose who
you decide to represent. You can pick and choose. Now, obviously,
what I'm hearing is is he was involved in this,
so we had no choice. But the reality is a

(27:56):
lot of these people that say, well, you know that's
Tom Mettwell, you know he was defending Bill Cosby. You know,
that's his job. Yeah, you know what. But he can
also say, no, what, I'm not representing him. And these
defense attorneys that get away with a lot of, in
my opinion, a lot of crap where they just will

(28:17):
tear apart. Some of these accusers need need to be
held accountable as well, because a lot of them are not.
And Deshwitz, mister liberal, mister, you know, you know I'm
going to Derschwitz that much. But it it just shows
how you know, depraved some of these individuals possibly are.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
And in the case of Derschwitz too. I don't think
he had much choice in defending Epstein because before Epstein
was ever even arrested, he was donating all with money
to Harvard, you know, and propping up Derschwitz over there.
Let's take a little commercial break, okay, with Mike Parsilli.
His website is Mjvictims dot com and he's got a
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I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman. We're here today
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he's got a documentary film coming out. What's the name
of the documentary.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
There, it'd be Mi coach jackst.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Okay, I love it. Okay, it's interesting. God, what have
you done with this guy? Let me pull us up.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, it's James Gunn.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
James Gunn. Yeah, you know, just imagine if he's talking about,
you know, these horrific things. Just imagine if he used
the N word about these kids, you know, and then
all bets would be off.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
But as long as being racist, you just talk about
raping little kids.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
That is the part of society where it seems like
it's perfectly fine. I mean, you know. My argument is
that if he was in any other position, because now
almost all businesses were, they had social media claws, so
they find things they are in your social media. If
they feel not what the company values are, it's not

(34:41):
going to be You'll you'll be terminated. But let's put
this from a different perspective. Let's say he was working
as a teacher, or he's working as a police officer
or a judge, especially anything to do with there was
an involved Okay, well he was a teacher, point fout immunity.

(35:04):
They were very astatical unpersonal fires. And the reason is
is that they're not The school is not going to
take the risks of the parents knowing that there's an
individual that is espousing these these thoughts working with their children. Now,
put that in the Hollywood experience, where these this man's

(35:25):
a director, he has a huge amount of power. There
could be children on the set and they're unsupervised more
than likely, and he has more access to them. Why
would any anybody in that position want to hire him
for that type of type of in that type of environment,

(35:46):
want to you know, uh direct you adults that maybe
can hopefully defend themselves. Then that's a different story. But
we're talking about he's directing movies that are gears towards children.
I can guarantee where there's children on in the movie,
they're probably around the set. And unfortunately, I think in

(36:09):
this case, well for whatever reason Disney did it for,
they made the right decision. You no, he'd not going
to be around children or allow it. You're gone, but
there are still there is all of his cast, the
majority of the castmates and crew have signed petitions to
get him rehired. Thank god. That field miserably and I'm

(36:31):
thinking how many of these people, and how many of
these people have children? I wonder, I want know how
many people have children? And one if their child was
put alone with this gentleman, would they allow it? Would
they allowed their child to be hanging around James Dunn?
After knowing these things were said, hoighly doubt it. I
highly doubt it. And I'm sure if it was their school,

(36:55):
these people, if there was their school there was a
gentleman saying these things, a man saying these things, they
would be up and arm and they would be like,
we want want here removed. But because it's a director
and because that's where they're but it's not gonna see different.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
What about this? This next one? You get hit Dan Harmon?
What can you tell?

Speaker 5 (37:19):
He's even worse? Dan Harmon? He works for comedy centrals.
A A, uh, it's an adult swim, it's a carcoon or.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Right, okay, And.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
People realize that a lot of premise of that show
is it's a scientist or an older person that is
has a pedophilic love for some cartoon child, or it's
it's a very weird, twisted show. And I'm going to
get into some of the sort of a real I

(38:00):
don't even know how they even hear these things. But
the main thing he got in trouble for was that
he said that he was doing a takeoff on the
the show Dexter, and it was a really crudely made
film that he was trying to get showtime to put out.
It's called Darryl. And in the first episode of this

(38:22):
what it was was he was a psychiatrist, or no,
he was he was a friend of somebody.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
But.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Would have been was that he visit and he needed
sec with his babe in order to some and he
showed this guy who was probably not on a ball

(38:56):
truly sex the babe, I mean, and he's stimulating. I
get the show. Did no one see it? And then
somebody did it up and it brought Pantys there and said, well,
you know, I don't know what I was thinking back then,

(39:19):
it was time to be you know, I thought it
was kind of like a take off. The next and
I realized it was kind of inappropriate, or I took
it down blah blah blah blah blah blah. But what
what in the right mind is going to say, hey,
I won't and because that would be a great jover

(39:40):
show time or whatever platform I put it on. What
this Oh, let's show show me no having that's what
the baby doll and pretend it's a real baby. And
then when you look at his show, the early incarnations
of this show are are hideous. There's there's one, uh

(40:03):
one scene where he this I don't know street person
goes up to this child and says, hey, I'm not
going to rape you. I promise I won't rape you
or something, and the kid goes okay, and then he
takes a knife and he cuts him open and starts
simulating sex to the wound. Put it that way, Okay,

(40:28):
this has been this is his work. This is And
then there's another one where there's an episode where the
the uh these two young boys and they go skinny
dipping and then one says, oh, I'm going to go
now and drowns himself, and then the other one comes
out running around naked, and then they show him, oh,

(40:52):
it's it's feeding time, and his mother literally lifts up
her for her dress and starts funny seeds in his mouth.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
I don't really this is this is Rick and Morty
or or another cartoon he was working on.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
It's an early incarnation from what I can, Okay, research
of this particular cartoon, well, you know that also have
uplic tendencies.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
This creepy stuff. And yeah, there's definitely creepy stuff in
Rick and Morty, there's no doubt. But but you know
also too, you know, I don't know, are you were
the whole background about Adult Swim that comes on at
night on the Cartoon Network that's heavily influenced by Kenneth Anger,
you know. Uh, and there's actually that that mister Pickles
is a dog on there who's a satanic dog that
that that takes people down to his underground the torture chamber,

(41:48):
you know.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
And at the end by the two in the credits
of mister Pickles too, there's all kinds of pentagrams and stuff,
all kinds of stuff in the Adult Swim is full, uh,
this kind of stuff, man.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
But the reality is is this idea that well it's
one late at night, yeah, and that's not good for children.
And the reality is is that it's a blow to
crap that you know, any person, you know. I remember
being nine ten eleven, my parents would go to sleep
and I would try to turn on the HBO or
try to turn on the whatever, you know, because that's

(42:23):
what you when you do in that age, you know,
you want to, Oh, I'm curious, I want to see
what's on this channel at channel this channel.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Watch if you're six years old and you've been watching
cartoon Network all day long and you're fall asleep and
the TV is still on at night, you're listening to
all that while you're sleeping, and you're you know, you
wake up, you know when you watch for a few minutes.
You know what I mean? This stuff is it's on
a cartoon network and it's a pretty extreme stuff.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Well, it gets even worse because that episode I was
telling about where the mother you know basically yeah from
you know, you know, the protectorm it in the child's mouth.
There's a I don't know who did this or who
put this up, but there's children rating the videos and

(43:11):
they're watching the videos and giving their insight on the videos.
Who's one child on that episode They show him watching
the video and going oh wow, wow, what's that? Wow?
I'm like, what is happening to society that this is?
You know again, what it's doing is the sensitizing people

(43:34):
to what is what is a what is moral, what's
not moral? You know? And when you're putting a child,
even it's in a cartoon form, you're putting a child
to watch that garbage, then that child is going to
think that this is somehow normal. It isn't normal. It's

(43:54):
not normal thinking. It doesn't go it's not normal behavior.
And they get away with it. And they get away
with it because they say this is under the guises
of comedy, and because we're comedians that gives us cop
blanche to make fun and joke about everything. But there's
a great a comedian who gave up his career over this.

(44:17):
By the way, I could say that it's someone of
the you know, uh, someone of a hero for for
coming forward. His name is Owen Benjamin, and Owen Benjamin
made a comment there was a a mother or a
father with a transgender child who was like five, and

(44:38):
he was dressing him up in dresses and all. Benjamin says,
you know that what you know to be, you know,
trying to make your child that age transgender. Let me
the comment that would vary that He ended up getting
totally blasted by all of his Hollywood friends and his associates,

(45:03):
ended up losing his career, and then he made it
his mission to come and expose all of this, all
of all of these you know, uh, justly a moral topics.
And he was one of the first to bring up
Dan Harmon and he says, if you think this is

(45:24):
just jokes, he goes, he goes, usually this because that's
what I did for a living. He said, I know
how to tell a joke. He goes, most of these
jokes don't have punchlines, because most of these aren't funny.
Most of these jokes are just said and put out there.
And he had for any of your listeners, I highly
recommend just look up on Benjamin and you'll see and

(45:48):
look up on Benjamin Dan Harman and you will see
him really talk about this in a manner that's really
you know, someone that actually understands this whole industry refreshly
the comedy sign of it. But again, these are these
are things I honestly, when I saw it, I brought

(46:08):
it up to people and I was like, this takes oh,
you don't understand it taking context. So you know, it's
so many years ago. You know, I'm like living in
a universe here, seriously, living in an alternate universe. You
can't see that if we can't do the bare minimum,

(46:31):
which is just sure that we don't make we protect
our that's our future, that's the whole future without go
we don't have here because they're going to be taking
care of the accessment so forth. But one we can't
do that back that we're really saying as to society.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Just yeah, it's interesting how Rick and Morty became popular
because I've been watching for years. You know, it's a good,
well done stuff like that. You could kind of tell,
you know, just as a little click presentation therein popular,
but that like everyone thinks so cool. That seends me

(47:15):
a bit profici to me. Now, the next one you
got is Michael Ian Black. Let's start with them.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah, he's a an actor, a writer, he's amicall almost
like a reality stuff people on a lot of like
I found a vh on back in the day, they
would make commentary on certain like they would watch a
video and make a commentary on it and things like that.

(47:42):
But he's done a lot of things. He's right now
he's working with a podcast. Go Wait. Also both ways
defended names gone doing uh something called Miss Smits and Monsters.

(48:04):
She did things like Dogs in the Park, which is
a v series. He did the Gym Gaffigandi show. We
did them show. He's done a lot of stuff and
he's been around for Sincerely Knights, So Michael ian Black.
What happened was it was soon as the James gun

(48:24):
thing at people were looking at other people's Twitter pages
and they were finding that this was not just the
one off type of thing. That there were other people
that were posting some also pretty vile commentary. And I
have some over here. It's gonna be again a read

(48:47):
for you. Okay, what's Latin for? Bring me some boys again?
Where's the punchline? Idea? Set little containers of jizzus boy
caviar or things like my day so far, miniweks, what writing,

(49:14):
quick baby f Joe more writing, picked up kids from school?
Wonderful hosting a bunch of eleven year old girls for
a sleepover tonight, terrified their parents will find out. And
here's another one. What's what's a great gift for a
five year old boy? And don't say a ball of

(49:34):
Walgreens generic? Basically I can't pronounce it. This I've seen
the motive in because it's not basically we'll put the
child asleep. What what about teenage boys? I mean, should
they vote?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Should we have a kid?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (49:53):
What is about teenage boys? I mean should they vote?

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Not?

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Should we vote?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
On?

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Jerking off to them? I'm it's weekend kids fun. Put
a star shaped cookie cut of over your child's buttle
when they poop and watch the delay the star shaped duties.
What is the exact length of time my children give
me backwards before it gets creepy? You know, it just

(50:20):
goes on some way. Just change your baby's boy's diaper
in front of me and in front of everybody at
the gate. Unimpressive penis? My mouth is all? Is all
the bathroom you need, big boy? I mean, I can
go on and on and on.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
It's wait, I asked the question. He mentions that getting
a massage from his own kids does he have kids.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
That I don't know? I think it does. I'm not
one hundred percent positive, but it wouldn't surprise me. It
wouldn't surprise me because you know, you know, he has
mentioned like on several of his tweets. Where is it?

(51:08):
The one that I thought was really just no, here's
another one I don't like watching our Collie with my
two point my other daughter, with my daughter. Because there
was nobody on that show, I would.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Want him molest Okay.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
I mean it's like, okay, yeah, I get your comedian,
But if say he did have a daughter, Okay, what
would you in your mind? Why would you even want
to put you in the joke? Why would you not say,
you know what, yeah, that's this is my daughter I'm
talking about. I'm not gonna that's that's that's ridiculous. But

(51:47):
they don't care. And it's again, it's about this attitude
of I'm a comedian, I'm pushing the boundaries. I'm going
to say whatever I want and that's fine, and that's okay,
you know what you can. That's part of living in America.
That's part three speech. That's part of your right. But
if you are putting this in written formats and you
are going on Twitter and doing these things and you

(52:09):
are called out for it, it's on you. No one's
putting a gun to the head and say hey, let's
go on Twitter and make pedophile just over and over
and over and over again. No one's telling anybody to
do that. And you know, Michael Ian Black, I think
even when it was found out his name was brought
up even for a better step further, you know, saying

(52:30):
it's gonna he's going to get you know, make it worse.
He's a type of comedian and that's like, well, I'm
gonna show you, you know, think about those were bad,
to give you the next one. It's again, what what?
What is bothersome is that there is anyone who dares
to say when it's reported on, they don't report on

(52:53):
what's actually said. The report on and say, well, you know,
Michael Ian Black got in trouble. You have got in
some hot water for saying some offensive tweets, you know,
but he's a he's apologized and you know or he
said that you know it was you know, it was
taken out of contact or whatever the excuse may be
of the day. And but they don't get into the

(53:14):
specific actual words, you know. And that the view went
on about James Gunn and I'm thinking you just rallied
against Roseanne, which Roseanne you know, made a comment that
got her fired. Whether people believe it was valid or not,

(53:34):
that's up up the people's interpretations. But they went on
and they said, you know what she made a comment
that was considered racist and we can't tolerate this, that
this is awful. They would, they mentioned the comment, and
when it came to James Gunn, what they said is, oh, yeah,

(53:55):
he made some you know, offensive tweets and you know
they're and I'm not going to say, I'm not going
to defend the tweet, but there was so long ago.
You know, should be really be worried about what someone
said that long ago? And I'm thinking you hypocrits. You know, granted,
what rozen said was beyond idiotic, but the reality is

(54:16):
is that what she said pales in comparison.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
At least she said it about an adult. You know,
she said about an adult. You know, it's just the
whole thing about making these jokes about pedophilia. It goes
way back to Michael Jackson. The first accusations about Michael Jackson,
and for every comment about Michael Jackson after that on
Late Night TV was a joke about him chasing little boys,
Like how does that even the You should do a

(54:42):
documentary about that, you know, about how is this acceptable?
Like we said, if it was the N words or
just gay bashing and something like that would be totally unacceptable.
But he is a crime against the horrific crime against
an innocent child, and it's something to be joked about.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
They they don't want the taboo. They don't want that
taboo to be taken away from them. They don't want
that subject to be not you know, off off limits.
That's all I can be because again, the fact that
no one stood up and said this is the I mean,

(55:21):
I'm not talking mainstream now. I'm not talking to people
who are you know, who sort of get this that
or maybe you know, off the grid. I'm talking to
people who are mainstream to sit there and get excuse
after excuse after excuse, and to have the people who
are in the film sit there and you know, try

(55:42):
to get the person that made these comments rehired. When
in the Razian case, almost all the people that are
on here cast turned on her and said, yeah, they
did the right thing to fire her. It's it's like, well,
h yeah, I get it. Then, you know, I understand
that you're if you're really upset what you said that

(56:04):
you don't want to distance yourself. Why would you want
to distance yourself from mess?

Speaker 4 (56:09):
I think, yeah, it just doesn't make sense, you know,
Mike We got to take another commercial break though with
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Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
I love it bit. Okay, next one you got is
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Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
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Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I don't know what you're gonna tell me about her,
what what's new with her? But she's someone's I had
my eye on for a long time because, first of all,
she was with Saturday Night Live during a weird period
of time over Saturday Night Live when when when by
the way, too, when Woody Allen actually had some influence
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to she to hear someone you know, plucked out of
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was so obscure, no one knew who she was back
in those days. It's like nineteen and I have to
look it up and it was way wait, it was like
in the nineteen nineties and just you and I remember
just happened to movies on back in those days and
just happened to catch it at the movie theater because
it's being promoted all over the theaters. What do you
have on Sarah Silverman?

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Well, there's not all. I mean, that's not a huge amount.
But again, it's in her and I'm gonna kind of
fort her and patents in the same sort of grouping there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Okay, what it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Is, it's comedians again, trying to justify this type of behavior. Now,
what happened with Sarah Silverman was to found a tweet
of hers, which is again it's the joke was is
it considered miss Is it considered most decision that makes
the first move? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
That one, yeah, and and integrates. I'm gonna need a
quick response on that. But I guess what was prompted
people to look into her was that on one of
the four hand boards, one of those you know anonymous
boards where they are, there was a supposed picture of
her with her cell phone and then the cell phone.

(01:03:19):
It says, you know, you better back the f off
and with some you know, we don't believe that you're
not as anonymous as you think you are. People know
who you are with some veiled threats and they believe
that the picture that was on there with Sarah Silverman.
But again it's she is not known for somebody. She's
always been offensive in her comedy and there are our

(01:03:40):
comedians that that's the h you know, the the tactic
that they take, and that's you know, more offensive, the better,
and that's the style of comedy. And that's you know again,
that's fine, that's your choice of comedy is fine, but
it's the idea that you had to go. You have

(01:04:02):
to take it that extra step and then you have
to somehow you know, uh, to justify this. And her
justification was was when she was asked about it. This
was years back again and it was like time out
and those no it's it's like, Noah, I think probably

(01:04:29):
would now you know that ma this they might be
even less defend a fortunately, but it's just let me
way instead. You know what I really sing this and
if I were to rape victim of child was a
rhythim it well, probably I would want the being said,

(01:04:52):
and I just said, it's it's not something I'm proud of,
it's not something that you know, I want people to
think that if really who I am, and you know,
I'm going to stay away from those jokes. But they
will never do that because it's this again, this idea
that it's where comedians we're gonna push the envelope. We're

(01:05:15):
the only ones that can do this. We have we
should have re rain on everything, but you don't want
to take the responsibility, and you have the backlash because
you can say whatever you want, that's totally up to you.
But when somebody gets offended by it, and rightfully so again,
we're not it's not just talking about race here. We're
not just talking about agism. We're not talking about almost

(01:05:38):
aholl we are think we're a lot of we're talking
about the most vulnerable of individuals. And when it does happen,
because it's happening worldwide, it's happening on a scale that
is beyond belief. When you hear what's going on in Italy,
when you hear about the cardinals, when you hear what's
going on in what happened in Australia. When you it's

(01:06:00):
happening on a massive level, you might want to stop
and think, you know what, this might not be the
the territory I need to go into. And there's other
ways of presenting these jokes. And that's what Ohen Benjamin
was talking about. There's other ways of presenting these jokes

(01:06:21):
that are not going to be as offensive. And you know, again,
I think she's part of the problem. I think that
Patton Oswald took a you know, when he found out
about you know, what was going on. He also some
of his things got pulled up. This was from twenty thirteen,

(01:06:43):
The Angry Change from My Hammer Toad followers, Open my
Eyes pedophaled Shammuel herrits us all, I'm a proud pedophile
and any rights And again I'm sure he's joking. I
don't think he's a pedophile. I get it, but any rights,
let namble a member as anyone they want. I am
I so crazy for wanting my kid to grow up

(01:07:05):
in a safer world. I mean it's this total lack
of self awareness that these comedians get away with. And
you know this is again Patton Oswold during that time
he was you know he was he still is every

(01:07:26):
pretty creator, but he was coming right off of his
you know that TV show that was one of my
favorite ones. I can't remember it now, but he was
a you know, very popular comedian, popular personality. And but
again it's this type of comedy tends to get it

(01:07:52):
doesn't get the attention it needs to get for what
the impact could be. And the impact what it does
is it slowly begins to tear down the fabric, tear
down the defenses of people to think that, oh, well, yeah,
it's probably not that bad. Oh you know, you know,
it's look, they're making jokes about it. It can't really
be that horrible. You know. I'm sure we're making way

(01:08:15):
too much about this. And that's why you're starting to
see a real big push for the normalization about pedophilia.
And they're now calling them themselves keeto sexuals. They want
want to be part of the LGBT movement, they want
to be recognized. You're seeing a lot more favorable coverage,

(01:08:37):
you know about well, you know, this is not the joy.
They're trying to almost make like a special orientation. They're
not you know, it's not it's the disorder. They're not
treating it as such. They are minimizing it, and it's
a slow process that's beginning full we ramp up and

(01:08:59):
and it's it's getting it's getting rather, we're getting a
point where we have to start really really keep an
eye on it because it's you're going to see more
and more of it. There was only one worthying that's
they're showing a documentary or some show made was on Vice.
I'm not sure about this nine year old drag queen

(01:09:23):
and they were showing this nine year old drag queen
doing going to a drect queen show and they were
on the State and they were, you know, you know,
acting like like they're you know, a thirty year old
drawing and like can we not see that this is
not the and the parents like, well, you know, this
is my child is just you know, making myself so
happy and it's freeing for that. It's like, it's not

(01:09:45):
about that. It's all the fact that you don't know
who's sexual life in your child, you don't know who's
in that audience, you don't know what what position you're
putting your child in the year is you protect them,
both of them in these ambiguous situations where they can
be treated as you know, treated as victims. I don't

(01:10:09):
know how much more anyone can be more? You know,
how can I make this a more simpler? But it's
going in a very very strange direction.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
Yeah, yeah, there is. I agree with you with that.
I'm also I'm checking out this guy. Uh what's his name? Peyton?

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
We were just well did was talking about his name
Peyton Ozle or something like that, Yeah, Patton Nozzle. Yeah,
and he's robot Chicken. He's involved with Portlandia. Uh, all
of that same stuff to the same crowd.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Well, so was Michael Liam Black. He's also part of budget.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
And that's agreeing involved? Uh because Rick Morty to this guys, well.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
It's I can't, I don't want to. My view is
that what happens is when you say okay, well uh,
James's so that thus means that he's a cataly No,
I don't say that, say yeah. What I say is

(01:11:27):
that no. But it's just enough cause so what pause
here and say you shouldn't be working around children. I'm sorry,
we have to we have to take whatever means, we
have to take a mixture of a children. They're on
that that who I have done super advised, are not
put in any way and you might not might be
the exact antics. The opposite about a defile is but

(01:11:51):
we can't take that. We can't take that chance.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Well, not only to do but I think we need
to have the same kind of intolerance as we do
for racist jokes, you know what I mean, Like it's
just it's unacceptable man to make these kind of you know,
bigoted racist jokes, homophobic jokes, that's you know what I mean,
They're just hurtful and email reason, you know, it's unnecessary
and it's this, Why isn't this as temp those jokes,

(01:12:15):
It just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
I think it's not a race. Maybe I think it could.
It's children, I think, you know, And and I talk
of it to the people are in the what I
call the CFA group, the people who are survivors of this.
We need to start really mobilizing as you know, one
of physicians, tons of different organizations that are out, they're

(01:12:39):
all sort of splintered around. We need to start mobilizing
as one voice as you know, you know groups that
are you know, ethnic groups are different groups. Say you
know what we are the voice one voice here and

(01:13:00):
you know, there's numbers and not fun to topace anymore.
And I remember bringing up from Jackson saying to some
group and they said, they do really want to involved
because they didn't want the publicity. They didn't want they
didn't want their name tied to something that I was
that high pro while meaning that they knew that they
were going to get a lot of backlash for porting that,

(01:13:24):
and we need to stop, We need to get away
from that. You know that, No, you know, it doesn't
make a difference we need it doesn't make a difference.
If it's happening in Hollywood doesn't make a difference. It's
happening in Washington, d C. It doesn't make a difference.
It's happening across the streets. It's irrelevant. It's all important,
and we need to band together and say, look, we've

(01:13:47):
lived through this. This might be laughing and joking for you,
but not for us. And look, if you're in a
comedy club and this isn't a and you're in the
setting where that is where it is, I can almost say,
you know what, I can kind of get that you're
in a comedy club, but you're in that position you're
going to that venue on your own. But well you

(01:14:08):
are willfully posting this on Twitter where anyone can read it,
no matter. You know, you don't know what you're a
survivor of the abuse. You don't know if you're if
someone's just coming in the checkout page and your white's
reading this, you're pringting out masks you know no one's
coming and like to pay take. See you're seeing all

(01:14:29):
what you're about, and and to do something like this
is just cruel.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
And you're thinking, you know, we're not to find people
were molested as a child. You would think that, uh,
that's a pretty group, you know that you wouldn't want
to find. But yet.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
It's yeah, And I think it's because you know, it's
not as we should be. It's like there's so many really,
there's so many differences, and they all you know, catered
different things. I think I think we need one central
group that's more so handling the public ration aspect of it.

(01:15:09):
It's more so handling you know, it used to be
when the offensive things like this happened, you know, real
offensive things. There were certain things that I think people
finished for no reason. But when real offensive people would
mobilize and they would contact their senator, or they would
contact the local TV stations say what the heck are
you showing this for? You know, we don't have it anymore.

(01:15:32):
It's it's you know, the it's almost like we again everything.
It's such available, the availabilility, it is so much there now,
and it's so much intimation and so much is you know,
it's like nothing that we're taking away the most important
things in society. We need to start bringing them back.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Now that this would be a good time to get
their next and which is Sarah Ruth Ashcroft. Now, I
know worry little about her making accusations against people like
Hillary Clinton and stuff like that. And I think Tom
Hanks too. She's saying as well, I know very little
about her. Where did she come from?

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
Welling to her story, she says to her father and
her her uncle, we're basically into the sort of MK
ultra mind control safistic type of type of behavior, and
that her father essentially groomed her to be essentially a

(01:16:31):
sex slave for various you know, financial wealthy elites and
intolential movers and shakers type of things.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
She is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Again, it's a it's an interesting topic because this topic
has been around for so so long, and it never
really ever gets any real traction because what happens is
is that as soon as you say the word mk ultra,
as soon as you say the word you know the Satanism,

(01:17:06):
as soon as you say the word you know that
your family and it's a it's sort of a family
affair where have you know, brothers and sisters and et cetera.
People will automatically say that this is nothing but bunk.
It's somebody who is out of touch with reality. It's
somebody that is, uh, you know, just wants attention, had

(01:17:33):
some psychological issues, and again, those can all be true.
And I'm very careful when I read a lot of
these particular you know, these particular instances, because again, you know,
people are can be psychotic, that's not unheard of. But

(01:17:56):
people do have psychotic breakdowns, that's not unheard of. But
but when we talk about her, herst chance is this
is that I've been she's been making me claims for
a little while. Now she goes, nobody has addressed it,
and nobody has said, we're taking you to courts and
we want you know, we're going to sue you for defamation.

(01:18:18):
Right now, people will say, well, why would they see her?
Maybe she doesn't have any money or is it really
worth it. Well, you would think just to get your name,
to clear your name, just to say you know what, No, no, no,
I'm not allowing you to study my good name, especially
Tom Hanks of all people. I'm going to make sure
that this gets brought to court. And even if the

(01:18:42):
worst that comes out of this is that you get
help because you're saying some really off balanced and psychotic things,
then they're that's a good thing. But they're not. What
they're doing is they're ignoring these claims. They're not. They
got brought up in the news once or twice and
again it's the pushing the right wing. This is all
about the right right wing agenda. And you know this

(01:19:05):
is this is all about Donald Trump and blah blah
blah blah blah. And it's like, you know, not everything's
political people, I mean again, not as political.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
Does Sarah Ruth Ashcroft? Is she one of these people
who think that Trump is a good guy and is
going to help her around a pedophiles.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
To my knowledge, I would have to say no on that,
but she is, you know, I should twitter, she's been
picked by Q group. She's been picked up by other
people that have you know, ties, We'll say that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
And then how does she get started? Where did she first? Like,
did she write her books something like that or started
hitting four chune?

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
She started going on Twitter, okay, and she started started
making these claims. And the claims were fairly detailed, so
you know, they they listed. You could go back and
see your father was involved in the government. You could
go back and see that some of the maybe locations

(01:20:17):
and what she was, you know, the school that she
claimed that you went to where she got abused as
she actually went there, you could you could you could
see the connections being made that this is a you
know and for the most part, a real person. This
is not somebody claiming to somebody they're not. But you know,

(01:20:39):
I'm so intrepidacious of all these things nowadays.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Yeah, And has she been interviewed has anybody interviewed here?

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Yes, she's been interviewed by several people on YouTube. And
she also has you know, talked to you know, and
she has like a blog and she has you know,
like a like I said, her Twitter page which she
she posts a lot of things, but it's it would be.

(01:21:11):
I think it would be a very interesting interview if
you could get it. I think that, you know, there's
because it goes in everything she's saying falls into step
with what other past victims of supposed MK ultra and
and people who were supposedly these types of uh, you know,

(01:21:34):
traffic slaves are saying that her story somewhat has a
ring of truth to it. And it's somebody that when
I'm when I read her story, it's I'm still on
the fence over it's it's you know, I I'm not

(01:21:55):
quite sure what to make of it, but it's it's
to bring up such a name as Tom Hanks. And
then what they did is they showed again I don't
put a whole lot of credence to this, but they
showed Tom hanks Twitter page, and I guess he has
a lot of photos of like like the he'll take
a photo of like a missing one glove it's like

(01:22:18):
on the street, or take a picture of a little
girl's shoe, just one shoe they bound and you know,
what's this? Why is this here? He'll take all these
sort of weird, you know, pictures, and it's it's kind
of kind of creepy, but it's you know, it's there's
no meat to the bone sort of thing. But the

(01:22:40):
only meat to the bone that I see is is
that she is making this in a very very public
way and supposed this ask on to the authorities, and
she has reported this and nothing has happened. And that
can be one or two things. They could have looked
into it and said, obviously just just totally you know, out
of her mind, or they could look get it and

(01:23:00):
said well no, or this is too high profile and
we're going to cover it up.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Well no, Well yeah, I'll tell you this, And I
hate to interrupt you, but I'll tell you this because
I'm pretty much tonight. We're taping this on a Friday afternoon,
and so tonight's when I do my live thing, and
I had eighty percent planned. I was going to talk
about this very issue, not her, but about this idea
that because no one sued her, that we should give

(01:23:25):
more credibility to her story because well, this big famous
person hasn't sued her, and we've talked off the air,
and we've done stuff off the air, so you know,
like I'm very familiar with this whole process on both ends.
Of people either being accused by someone who's a blackmail
or an extortionist or something like that, trying to accuse
them of things, or threatening to go public and stuff,
or going public and harassing them online. And when they're

(01:23:47):
totally or totally partially Anderson totally Inderston, who really knows.
And on the other end two of victims who've come
forward and they're trying to get the compensation for their
abuse from the And there's a million reasons why someone
like this wouldn't be sued, or someone who's making internet
threats or harassment and wouldn't be sued. Uh that And
I don't give that much weight to that theory at all.

(01:24:10):
That well, if they haven't been sued by this person,
then there must be some truth to it, because first
of all, they could be under police investigation right now
in the comps are telling you not to sue. Another thing, too,
is that if you're a person with deep pockets and
big insurance companies and big companies and Mirror, Maax and
all these these big you know, publicly traded companies have
a stake in your your product and your your your brand,

(01:24:33):
you don't want to sue someone with nothing because they're
gonna counter suit, and she can get a free attorney,
whole countersuit and just someone just to keep to keep
the litigation moving, you know, forever, and all these big
law firms are going broke and just and you'll settle.
You'll tanks would wind up settling with her. I've been
in situations where big companies where I'm praying they'll sue me.

(01:24:55):
If they sue me, I'll drag them out forever, and
they they'll want to pay me off to get rid
of me. You know. So there's a whole world, and
then there's also the whole thing too with there could
be police investigations in the background. They could just be
waiting that the cops could be telling them, don't sue
her because we're about to arrestaurant something, you know, or
or a lot of times too, they'll tell them, let

(01:25:17):
her dig her hole, let her dig her hole deeper.
And I'm not saying her specifically, let's excuse her from this,
but that the person making these allegations, let them dig
their hole deeper, because you know, ultimately you're going to
have a criminal charges against them, you know. So or
even to this, they could even be paying off and
in the back end too. That's why they don't sue
because there's a settlement negotiation going on right now that

(01:25:38):
there's all kinds of stuff, so that I'm gonna do
a whole show on that, hopefully better than I just
didn't now to explain what goes on behind the scenes
in these cases, because there's a million of them out there.
They're going on all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
It's and it's in there. I mean, she goes really
into a lot of you know, really you know, things
like cannibal human sacrificing, and she goes into a lot
of things that you know, she says, this is about
a six thousand year old plan for the world being
played out through the centuries by a giant ancient family.

(01:26:15):
So you know what bothers me is when I reach
things like this is that a lot of these are
not just statements. They're like they've been said in the past, right,
you know, the people that have, you know, have these
theories about you know, the Illuminati or about you know,

(01:26:36):
the roth childs or whatever, and and this a lot
of times people pick up on that. And if you
are a person that you know, stuff with some sort
of delusional you know problem A lot of times you
incorporate that into your own real life and think it
somehow real. So you know, I don't know, and I

(01:26:57):
you know, my view is that we have you know,
you have to be really careful when you talk about
these things because, like you said, there's so many reasons
you might not know, and it's very easy to use
that to discredit what you're trying to do.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Right right where now everybody who's trying to expose these
kind of things is being lumped in. And again I
don't know this woman her story, but he's being lumped
in with the fanatical q and On folk. You know
what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
Yeah, qan On thing is it's I like watching it.
It's fun to watch well per Someway, but I take
you know, when I look at it, I say, yeah,
that's kind of interesting. Yeah that's a little bit interesting.
But I always I take it with a very very
big grain of salt because it's there's I don't know,

(01:27:50):
it's just it seems so manufactured.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Yeah, it seems so.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
Perfectly put together, perfectly designed and something that you know,
I want something that sort of manufactured. I don't see
an organic.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Right exactly because you're you're at the promoting stuff too,
and you know how things crashate organically or or there's
something going on promoting it. But one thing with qan
on in the beginning, he said he had to talk
to in his cryptic fortune cookie type of you know pattern,
because because well because he had to avoid the bots,
you know, because they would shut him down in five minutes.

(01:28:29):
Well what about now, why can't he come out now
and talk normally? You know, he's all over the news.
Why why can't now he talked like a normal person
and just explain, you know, if you got something to say,
just say it, you know, but everything's got to be
a little clue and a hint here and you know,
come on the time for that is waygun and really
and he.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
Keeps I think the last tree was the big ones
coming they drop or you know it's like the big
ones big ones dropp Well you know I could see
that times and you know, maybe lightning might strike and
be great, you know, you know, what is it? Just
say it?

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Yeah? At this point, yeah, there's no reason because you know,
if he is violating his security oath, his oath, the
secrecy and his clearance is like they would have caught
him the first day like that, whole fear is over.
It's a little ower, you know what do he got
now come out and say something because it's.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
To those days. Well, you've got to slowly bring people
into Oh people ready to hear this? Are you kidding me?
With all the crap that we've heard in the last
you know, twenty thirty years, You know all the things
we've heard, I mean, on and on and on even
I'm talking about stuff that is you know, verifiable has happened.

(01:29:47):
You know, forgots, if World War two you have millions
f watered millions, I mean, what more? You know, how
much worse can it get?

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
Yeah, And just the fact that these guys, yeah, these
guys on Reddit and four chan who are so isolated
to begin with it that they call any the average
person a normy, you know, their normies. They can't handle
what we know basically, and it's all just this incestuous
little group, you know, feeding each other more more info.
And they're all part of that same group, the involuntary celibates,

(01:30:21):
the in cells, and the men going their own way
and the magas, you know, they're all they're all that
same bunch. Man, because they all know each other and
they're all you.

Speaker 5 (01:30:30):
Know, that's interesting. It's like I said, I watch it
with a good I watch it with a what I
call as it's good to watch. Yeah, you know, when
I first came out, I was beginning to get, you know,
to taken in by it and the nice waves that
and no, no, no, no no, let me take a

(01:30:52):
step back here and really really really look because you know,
sometimes when something's act good, you really want to believe
in it, and then all of a sudden you say,
way now.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
So then we've got about a half hour left. So
what do you want to get to with good old Capy?
Here Isac Capy.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
Isaac Cappy is another person I'm not quite sure how
to digest. But what bothers me with Isaac Cappy? And
you know, I is the I I I I I
I I. And He'll say, this is about the victims,
and this is about survivor's story. It is, and I'm

(01:31:34):
going to be the one that first, and I am
so honored, I am so blah blah blah blah blah.
It's you know, take file the equation. If you're exposing
Seth Green, you say Seth Green said this, and we're
going to make sure that his victims get justice. We're
going to make sure that we find out whoever, whoever
you are, if he didn't, or anybody, that those people

(01:31:55):
get justice immediately. Those people need to We need to
find out who these children are. We need to make
sure what they're safe, We need to make I want
to make sure that they're okay. What happens is is
that it becomes this. When I first saw him, he
was on perscope. I started on YouTube e perscal thing
where we have to be caught on in San Diego,

(01:32:15):
I think, and he was saying, I'm just going to
come out and say it right now. And then he
goes out and he talks about Seth Green and he
talks about how, you know, Seth Green is a pedophile
and now his wife's a pedophile, and et cetera, et cetera.
And then he goes on to you know, he gets
some some traction and then he's next to you is
as well, you know what I'm just going to say.

(01:32:38):
I'm just going to say Steven Spielberg pedophile because that
was a hot Stege fieldworks a pedophile. That wasn't so
hard and he's just like dropping names. Stephen King pedophile,
but I mean, he's just dropping names. But again he
doesn't understand that dropping names isn't responsible in this environment.

(01:33:00):
You need to again not responsible for the victims. Because
let's just say, let's just say that that Steven Spielberg
is a pedophile. Okay, and Steven Spielberg right now has
told in his keeping that he needs to get rid
of because now you just called him up to be
a pedophile danger. Okay, Let's just say Seth Green really

(01:33:21):
is a pedophile, and he does have a secret room,
and he does have funk wins on the top of
his house, and you just called him out and now
he has to open this room and he's worried about
oh oh, someone just called me that I might be
pleased coming. Let's get rid of him right now. You
don't do that. You know what you do is you say, okay,
Seth Green's telling me something. What I'm gonna do is

(01:33:43):
I'm going to get the intel in this guy. I'm
going to pretend I'm as good as gold. I'm going
to find out when videotape the secret room. We're gonna
videotape the bunk beds. We're gonna I'm gonna have a little,
you know, a little a recorder on me and ask
him about this pedophilial thing again. Get him on take.
I'm gonna do whatever I have to do to get
him to admit to But you didn't do any of that.

(01:34:06):
What he said is all of a sudden, I have
this premonition, you know, this sort of enlightening part. And
I said, oh, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna suppose it
right now. And that's not really you're not again, you're
not thinking about the victims in I think you're thinking
about yourself. This is about you coming forward and saying,

(01:34:27):
look who I expose. I'm the person that exposed all this. Well,
you know what, That's all fine and dandy, but the
reality is is that the preepel you're exposing. If it's true,
there are victims, there are people that are that are
hurting that might not need your method and might not
need the way you're doing it. You know, maybe maybe

(01:34:49):
they need another way that it doesn't put them in
harm's way. And then he went on the Alex Jones Show,
and like I said, I'm not used fan of Ax
Jones but in this particular case, he did do a
very good job. He called him out and he said,
is this a Sasha Baron Cohen thing? Am I being punked?

(01:35:09):
Is this You're going to bring this all up and
then all of a sudden you're going to say that
you know, this is one big joke. Because the whole
conversation with Seth Green, most of it was part of
it was supposedly Isaac Cappy. They were a whole group
of friends and I was isa Cappy, Seth Green and

(01:35:31):
his brother in law. I think they were sitting down
and all of a sudden, Seth Green says, come here
and opens his bookshelf and there's a hidden room and
he says, oh, look, this is where we keep the children.
You know, that sort of type of thing. And he said,
I really felt really strange, and it really hit me.
Oh my god, something's wrong. You know Again, if someone

(01:35:53):
said that to me and it was a Seth Green,
who was kind of a creepy, sort of a weird
sense of humor anyways, I would be like, yeah, it's
kind of odd, but you know, maybe he's just being
a dirk or making us a really bad case. I
would ask him what the hell are you talking about?
You know, what the hell you mean? We just go
to keep doing joking and you know I would blunt blunt,

(01:36:13):
but didn't happen. So anyway, he says that on the
top floor there's a whole bunch of there's bunt beds
on one of the rooms, and then on the top
floor there's nothing but a room of stuffed animals and
they don't have children. So okay, well yeah, that doesn't
quite make sense. But he's also doing something called Robot Chicken,
which is like a cartoon. Maybe there's something there. And

(01:36:36):
then they get to the conversation where he sits down.
He says, he says, I'm already eating and he asked me,
we need to talk about chicken now. Well okay, okay,
he asked you about chicken. Yeah, because we had a
show called Robot Chicken. And he goes, but no, you
don't and chicken meats. The code were pretty young. Uh.

(01:37:01):
Into the process, he'd run along all the story age
were brought about what happened in Washington, d C. He's
talking about you know, all the the the the the
stuff that the all the key points that people who
are discussing this topic have been talking about, yes, and

(01:37:25):
I'm thinking, Okay, it's kind of weird that you know,
but anyways, Alex Jones says, okay, I need the Bona
Fonte's I need what exactly did he say about children?
What exactly you're saying that he said he was into children?
What did he say? Well, you gotta understand when he
told me that, it was like a big boom in

(01:37:46):
my head and my and and he would went around
about way, would not say the exact words. Now, well,
I don't really remember if someone said, hey, I like
having sex with children, I would probably remember those exact words.
I could be wrong, but I would probably remember that

(01:38:06):
he would not say those words. And then he went
on to say, Alice Jones went on to say, well,
you know, are you saying, you know, chicken is not
him saying he like, you know what about chicken is
not enough? And he really would not. He could not
hammer him down with the exact words. And my view

(01:38:28):
is is that, Okay, if you're gonna go this file
forward and you're going to say the word sets me
the pedophile, and you're gonna say the word Steven Seale
was a pedophile and Tom Hanks, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
On and on and on on.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Then why would you be so hesitant to say the
exact words that were said to you? You've already said
everything else. What's what's stopping you with this?

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Well, one thing would be is because he wouldn't be
able to pass a polygraph if I'm quoting you, and
then that that's a question in the polygraph? Did you
hear him say this? You're not going to pass that,
you know, But I don't know if he's thinking that
far ahead. But someone who's in like that, is traveling
in these circles, would be aware of hush money payoffs

(01:39:14):
and stuff like that, And you would think and someone
who as seems to have his own self interest in
minds would realize that he could go and make a
claimant and get to hire a lawyer. Anybody knows. Everyone
knows who these lawyers are in Hollywood who handle these
kind of cases, and he could get a payoff to
keep quiet about this kind of thing. But he's never
pursued that. And if he would have come to me

(01:39:35):
and want to pursue that, I would tell him, well,
you know what you got, where's the beef? You got nothing?

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Really?

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
You know that every he claims it. Well, everybody in
Hollywood knows about Tom Hanks, everybody knows about Steven Spielberg. Okay,
then what are you telling us?

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
You know, who are you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
What do we need you for? You know what I mean?
In this deal? So and it seems too like he's
out there to discredit the movement, you know what I mean?
He comes off looking like a total flake. Yeah, in
every way possible.

Speaker 5 (01:40:05):
Yeah, there's something again, it's and you know what my
view is that what if this is just an orchestray
because it seems like kind of a sarcastic type of
thing that you might get get from a Seth Green.
It seems like a sarcastic type of thing you might
get like from these other comedians because they all work together, right.

(01:40:28):
They talked about Seth Green, we talked about you know,
Dan Harmon, we talked about Michael ian Black, We talked
about all of them, and they all seem to have
worked together or closely together. So why wouldn't it be
in there and just to say, you know, we're gonna
pull off, you know, the biggest sham ever and make

(01:40:50):
this and make everyone look like fools, so we can
show that people are doullible, and the only thing that
will backfire if that is the case, and I don't
know if that is the case, is that he's now
asking for victim, real victims, just of any type of
sexual abuse to come forward tell this story. And he's

(01:41:11):
going to on Monday put all these stories out. It's
gonna be hashtag survivor stories. So if they take it
to that step where they're actually using survivor victims to
try to discredit something, then we know that, Okay, they're
never going to survive that. I mean, that's just beyond cruel.
But it's you know, I take I don't know how

(01:41:34):
to take him, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
It kind of remains it reminds me of the veterans
on patrol, the thing with the pedal camp, those guys
in Tucson. The way that thing took the ven thing was,
Oh man, that thing was clearly uh promoted by by
these viral guys behind the scenes contact me with fake
accounts saying hey, you gotta put them one here, Hey,
you got to play this video. Hey, you know, and

(01:41:58):
then then a lot of guys fell for it right
off the bed. Yeah, And it seems like this thing
when I wasn't contacted in this. They're catching on then
I'm not the guy right to help promote their crap.
But this seemed to like have that same kind of
takeoff on its own and the same people promoting it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:16):
You know, it's it does and it you know again
it's the you know, there's so many things that that's
swirling around him, like you have you know, the we
were talking earlier the the letters that he wrote that

(01:42:37):
said were like, uh, what were they? What will we
call them? Trigger points?

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
Kill switch? Kill switch.

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
That he put out there because he didn't want if
something happened and they were trying to maybe blackmail him,
he would have some some sort of you know, backup
uh information to show people. There's also the Paris Jackson thing,
which she said that he choked him and but she
ke heke her, and and that there was something going.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
On that I didn't. Paris jack says that Isaac capt Chilter.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Yeah, they were supposedly at these weird these game nights
and the m Maidan We said that like you know,
there will be like fourteen year old attending these game nights,
Like I don't know, it's different regular society, but usually
in the like family members. I don't think. I think
it's like that they know the fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Ye a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Yeah, it's like you, I mean me, my buddy, you
know age bracket. But I don't know. I mean he
was talking about she was She had made a claim
that Isaac had joker didn't want to meet, and she

(01:44:03):
had also I guess this now been before that she
had high, she'd moved out where she was living from,
and that she had had security because she feels that
he's unbalanced and that at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
She is.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
Uh. And even Seth Green's wife stated that that she
felt that he was it was a psychotic bak of
some sort, which in all that could be I cannot
fail both both ways. They could just he's not to
discredit him, or it could be the other way around
it true.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
I mean, but the other thing too is he wrote
his own story on Fortune Man where what do you
call it? Well, he describes his event where he you know,
he's he thought people were following him and people are
a bus stop, you know, and all this kind of stuff,
and then he actually went to her friend's house who
took him in, and they called the cops on him
because he was acting crazy, and the cops took him

(01:44:56):
to a place to voluntary commit himself. So this was
a bunch of well meaning people, you know, who aren't
part of this big conspiracy obviously. You know, you call
a couple of comps. They're not going to be part
of this conspiracy right off the you know, at nine
o'clock on a Friday night, Friday night. They weren't tipto
in advance, and they thought it was crazy enough to
suggest he'd commit himself for evaluation.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
Which would which would make a lot of sense. I mean,
it would make a lot of sense. And it's if
you see his mannerisms and kind of how he acts, right,
it's it's you know, he'll do a periscope and you'll say, oh,
it's time for a big hug, you know, stuff hugging
the camera, and you know, it's just these it seems

(01:45:40):
like he's loving the attention, but not loving the cause.
And that's what it's like. You need to take yourself
out of the equation. Don't put yourself in the EU.
You say, you know, he could easily come out and
said not even show this is who I am. These
are my allegations. I'm now going to the police of

(01:46:01):
allegations and leave the fa But it became this whole
big mat you know, Oh, I'm doing this because it
is his work, doing it because he believes that, which
it's a very good sentiment, and actually I wish more
people had this, that we shouldn't have to live in
a world where we have violent you know, pedophiles running

(01:46:24):
you know, calling the shots mean not people who are
you know. And I believe he's also made a statement that,
you know, a lot of the world is run by blackmail.
I do agree with that. I think a lot of
people a compromise so things get done. But it seems like,
again a lot of that's taken from other people's work.
You know, it's a lot of people that this work

(01:46:46):
that has been done for years and years and years
and years, and it seems like he's putting all that
out there in one big ball, and I just hope
it doesn't blow up in people's faces.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
It also seems too like again back to the guys
with veterans on patrol, like if you if you come
across what you think is a crime scene, what don't
you take a nice, sober, methodical video step by step
you know, and instead of these frantic you know, there
was even one they posted where they're driving over to
the scene and where the skull was found, you know,
and they're talking in the car. You know, what is

(01:47:19):
all this? You got something you want to prove, you do,
methodical evidence, presentation, you know what's all this? Others? This
this hokey show biz that they want.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
You know, it's again and that's what follows me. It
comes more about them than it does actually about the cause.
And the cause is the most important part. And that's
you know what I always try to get a cost.
The cause is is about what can we do to
make sure that we stop child exploitation and all different forms,
not just I talk about elite child exploitation, but in

(01:47:52):
all different forms. What can we do to educate ourselves
so that we build that we understand what what the
you know, what safeguards need to stay in place, what
we should be alerted to, what we should keep our
eyes out for, and what we should do, how we
should treat just people who are making these claims in general.

(01:48:14):
And that's the basis that crust of this whole movement
should be. You know, I and when I talk about it.
Like I said, I'm very rarely talk about my own experiences,
and I try to keep myself out of it. You know,
I don't do videos, I don't show myself on camera.
I don't do any of that because I don't want

(01:48:35):
to be I don't want this to be about me.
And I said, it's the beginning. I want this to
be about the people I'm representing. And you know, do
I have to take a lot of the flack of course,
you're part of the this going there, But but you know,
when I'm sitting there talking about, you know, what's happening

(01:48:55):
with the like the Jackson victims, I'm you know, I'm
not backing down because I think that, you know what,
this is not about me. It's about them. They need
a voice, They need some people to they need people
to say, hey, look, this needs to be looked at
in a different perspective or from talking what was happening
with the CONSPI case that people still are arguing that

(01:49:16):
case tow Mezsaro, by the way, is saying that that
it was the biggest injustice he's ever seen. I mean,
you know, it's like, how much more do we need
to have put in our face before we start understanding that,
you know, it's we need to start listening to people
who are coming forward these stories.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
You know, mind blowing that that Cosby would fire Mesuro.
He's never going to get an advocate like that. Again,
this guy's going this guy's going to die in prison.
There's no doubt in my mind at this point that
there's no way he's going to be able to get
better representation than he had there this.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
No, he's in September. If he makes it, even if
he makes it to the thing healthy really failings, he
might not even make it to the sentencing hearing. But
it's you know this again, the apologists. Well, this is
all nothing but a setup. This is all nothing to

(01:50:15):
bring him down. This is all nothing, you know, this
is all about you know, a racial component. It's like, No,
this is about a group of women who all basically
giving the same story and who won, who we actually
paid off and admitted to having sex with. This is
all about the fact that you have to look at
the pattern of behavior. Doesn't make sense, Yeah it does,

(01:50:40):
it does.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
And here's got too at a comedy bit talking about
Spanish flying which he interprets the Spanish flyers as a
knockout drug. You know where I grew up with those
same ads in the back of a comic book. Spanish
fly was an aphrodisiac to make women horny. It wasn't
to knock them out. But in his world, this was
a rape drug to knock people. He thought everybody was

(01:51:01):
buying it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:02):
It's it's unbelievable and it's and it's you know, it's
getting to a point where it, you know, it needs
to you know, be looked at, and then you know what.
The the thought of the weird thing about this is
that there is a we're talking about Isaacappy. There's actually

(01:51:23):
a sort of fight going on between Isaacapy and Corey Feldman.
Rather selling the both sort of battling. Well, Acapy isn't
asking for money, so I'll give them credit for that.
But yeah, Corey Feldman. And he's also suing uh, Judy Haym.
He's actually for the lawsuit out for defamation or threatening.

(01:51:46):
He said he's getting threats somebody somebody wanted to gang
raprom or some you know, if I if I had
put out, if I had gone to the police at
the stuff I'd see on my page, I would be
going to the always you know, once a week, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
You tell me that that that Filman actually filed a
lawsuit against the Judy Hayne. He filed a season a
season decist probably, Okay, that's yeah, that's a whole and
that's a whole other thing that the stuff that would
go before you'd fillow a lawsuit. There's all kinds of

(01:52:24):
restraining orders, like you said, you know you would you
would do season desist letters. And there's ways too, by
the way, I don't even want to give up too
much information, but there's ways to do that. Well then
you can't talk about it. You can't even say, hey,
they got a restraining order against me, or hey you
know they've been sent to season deciss So there's a
lot of times there's negotiations and stuff going on in
the background that never make it to the press. So

(01:52:45):
but anyway, but yeah, that's the.

Speaker 5 (01:52:49):
Story on that. But it's just funny because you know,
of course Ellman went off and said, oh, because what
happened was was Isaac Cappy said Steven Spieldbooks had a
file and see Corey, I didn't need ten million dollars
to say I had it. So that of course got
back to him, and now there's this whole you know,
Twitter feud or whatever's going on with them. But it's again,

(01:53:15):
it's what they have in common, my personal opinions. I
I I I I I I. You know, it's not we,
it's not we're going to make this happen. We're going
to do something. It's you know, and he you know,
and when it is is we we're gonna have a

(01:53:35):
campaign and we're gonna do you know, storage about survivors
and you know, I'm it then goes back to eye again.
You know, people don't People just don't get that point.
They said, well, you're talking about we, Yeah, but you
gotta listen. After it goes it goes back to high.
And but it's what bothers me is I hope this

(01:53:56):
doesn't just turn out to be another you know, you
know sort of it's not just flashing the pan.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
But you know, well, it seems like with Cappy, it
seems like, you know, he just walked right into it
that now and he's associated with QAnon and all these
and people are calling for more censorship on YouTube because
every name he pulled he mentioned now, so it just
seems like he's just playing right into the hands of
the people who are on the other side of this issue.

Speaker 5 (01:54:26):
That's exactly what it seems like. And it's again it's
you have to be careful when you come forward with
these you have to be you know. It's the idea
is as well, I'm just going to do it nonchalantly,
you know, I'm just going to come up with it.
A'most going there's you know, the reason why there's methods
of doing things and why there's steps for doing things

(01:54:47):
is because exactly what you're mentioning is discrediting and it's
you know, you're putting yourself, you're making yourself look hinged.
You might not be one trying to do it, but
I tell people are seeing you if you're not, you know,
really taking it, you know, step by step. And even

(01:55:08):
Alex Jones can kind of call all that out and
it's like an issue. He looked unhins, that's a lot.
Well you need okay, wait a second, that's just to
be something that's totally nothing burger.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
Well, then you may we've been talking for a few
years now, right, and have you noticed that suddenly this
has become a popular topic that all these old media
hosts and stuff like that and all of a sudden,
now that there's there's there's the lifelong child advocates. You know,
we're like just a few years ago they were talking
about Jade Hilm and Walmart tunnels and it's like the

(01:55:44):
new it's a new fed.

Speaker 5 (01:55:47):
I think it's because, you know, I think what happened
was was that when that whole pizza gate thing exploded,
yeah you know back, Yeah, what happened was was that
people looked into it, and then because the media didn't
if they were going to suppress this, they didn't suppress

(01:56:08):
it correctly. They tried to just pushposh it away and
just sort of you know, they had the first article
was written by somebody who didn't even wasn't really I
think they were journalists to like computer technology or something
that wrote the first article about you know, this being
a hoax or whatever. So people said that they will
wait a second, why are they not getting deeper into this?

(01:56:31):
So then that became to come traction. They don't realize
that what i'm the internet and social media is is
that Okay, so I look into it, and I talked
to somebody and I said, even might want to look
into this. They look into it and they talk to
somebody and they just go back back and forth, back
and forth, and then eventually the people who are creating
the content are saying, well, gee, we can give a

(01:56:56):
broad audience by talking about this topic because because look, look,
I mean, you know, people are mean. This person is
getting by talking about I don't know, you know, the
latest neighbor. And I think there was a lot of
people when we're in it for the right reasons. And
I think there were a lot of people in it

(01:57:17):
because you though that it helped their platform out there.
The game of Supribercy. Now, I had a YouTube I've
had a YouTube page for years. I've done very little
with it, and I you know, and I never ever
thought of what I'm going to go and want to
tie anything. I could kill less. I mean, this is

(01:57:38):
you know, I'm not I'm not professional enough. Well forth
that way I am the person that's with this document
is helping me. I'm not professional enough, you know, And
I can't do it. There are people that do do it,
like yourself, that actually are and have again the bona
fide and have that going for them. I don't, but

(01:57:58):
there are a lot of people that are in my
position that don't that will put out a video and
just throw it up because it's the headline. They'll have
some robotic voice go on and then try to get
a whole bunch of followers. You know, I'm smart enough
to know I can you know, I can do a page.
I can do a Facebook page, and I can do
some some written posts, and I can do some this

(01:58:20):
and mAbs. I'm okay with that. But I'm not a
YouTuber and I'm a son. I could put out, you know,
really good content. I'll put it out just because sometimes
I feel I have to get a message out. But
I know it's not gonna be watched by many people.

Speaker 4 (01:58:31):
It just is well, we're at a time. But the
thing is a lot of these guys too, they're just
staring into the camera. They got a blank wall behind
with this yeah, and a lot it I hate to
tell you a lot of times they're just making it
up as they go along. And because I'll be talking
to the witness that they're talking about. You know, I
was just on the phone with the guy they're doing
a video about it, and I know they never talked

(01:58:52):
to the guy. So there's that. You know, what are
you gonna do though, Man, Mike Posy aality listen, man,
thank you so much, which always great content whenever you
come on the show. I can't I can't say how
much I appreciate it so real quick tell people how
to find you and about the new film.

Speaker 5 (01:59:08):
Sure again, it's I don't know why it's for w
w W. It's www dot MJ victims dot com for
some of you. For MJ Victims, it doesn't come up
really but Www. I have not to talk to the
person who's handling the side of it. And it's going
to m J Victims dot com. Www. You can you
can see the pages there. And I'm really I always

(01:59:31):
I've been posting updates of how they be document coming
out and I want to say, maybeybe a month or two.
It will be out, and it's gonna going to be
advertising before it. I'll try to, you know, make contact
and get the word out there because I want as
many people to see it and spread the word because
it's gonna be it's it's a unique piece. Really, it's

(01:59:54):
just discussing something about the Michael Jackson case. I don't
think that's really been delve in deeply, which is the
fanaticism that goes along, and not just fanaticism from you know,
regular fans, but from other celebrities and you know, I people,
et cetera. So I will keep people posted and and

(02:00:16):
I hope that people come visit the page and check
it out.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
Mike Parsially, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (02:00:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:00:22):
As soon as your docs up, give me a cole
Pu's right on here.

Speaker 5 (02:00:25):
Okay, great, thank you, good night, Mike.

Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
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