Nathan Forest Winters

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a returning guest coming back to our show, one of
our most popular guests as a matter of fact, Nathan
Forrest Winters.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
And he was the young boy who was he was
in that movie clown House and unfortunately U that a
very traumatizing youth. We have Nathan for He's got a
movie coming out now called Babysitter. We're gonna be talking
about that as well. But Nathan Forrest Winters, are you there? Yeah,

(02:38):
I'm here, ed, Hey, how you been? Man? Remind me
of the audience. Who is Nathan Forest Winters?

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Well? As a child, I was a actor and starred
in the movie. The Commercial Pictures produced a film called Clownhouse,
which is written directed by Victor Salvo, who's known for
Powder and the Jupish Freakers franchise and also as being
the man that molested me for six years of my childhood.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
And I know, but now you're you're like a musicians
stuff like that too as well.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah. Yeah, I've been playing music for the better better
half of my life. And uh, that's kind of been
my passion since you know, my tastes for acting at
such an early age.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
It had done. Have you done anything since the Clone House?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
No? No other than the film got come out here.
It's finished now it's The Babysitter. It's a docuitary and
it's basically a catalogs experience with with mister Salba and
and beyond. You know, basically it's getting any games out

(03:56):
there a look at that. There is an open door
to healing in the wake of abuse, and for anyone
that's never experienced any abuse, it's it's like a direct
look right into what that whether that can do to someone,
and how difficult it is to overcome abuse like that. Yeah,

(04:16):
we did. I've been I've just been busy though, advocating
and just you know, trying to get this together, trying
to raise awareness and make people aware of what's what
this is about, and how real this is and and
how big of an issue it is. And so that's
really been my goal for for the better part of

(04:37):
my life.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, you were telling me before the show they have
a new campaign called Taking Action Breaking Silence. What's the
whole concept behind that, what's going on with that?

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Well, basically, it's it's the breaking silence part is really
comes down to the fact that it's like this dirty secret,
you know that that these children and adults and the result,
you know, an adult it I feel like they're they're
made to keep this dirty secret. And that's the biggest

(05:10):
part is breaking that silence. And and basically, you know,
it's like the metaphor I've used for it before, maybe
even on our last our last show together was you know,
it's like this this elephant has been in the room
the whole time, and and we as a culture, uh
have been ignoring it for a long, long, long time.
And so taking action and breaking silence is basically me

(05:32):
coming forward and saying, okan, look, mister elephant, it's time
to get up and come out to the center of
the room where everybody can see you and talk and
discuss and find a solution, you know, like when we're
pretending you're not there. And so that's really what it
comes down to, is you know, taking action to break
the silence, to make it, take it away, make it,
make it okay and safe for other victims to come forward.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, I think more than ever before, we are shining
a light on this issue.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
But but what do you do you think that's still
that the survivors of the kind of assault are so
stigmatized that and feel shame and h is does that
still going?

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Absolutely? You know, especially for for men that were abused
by men, it's it's a huge stigma. It's it's really
difficult for men to talk about. It's difficult for people
to hear about like you know, I mean that was
kind of another really it was very adamant Connor Fraser

(06:35):
and I he's the he's the director. He's a twenty
one year old guy that's just brilliant. I'm really happy
to be working with him on this this project. And
he he gave me that aspect because he's he's not
a victim, so for him it was the challenge. But

(06:56):
it really it's I just wanted everyone to note that
it's okay to talk about this, that in fact, it's
more than okay. It's sure that we talk about this.
It's sure that there's something that is not does not
have a blind eye or a death ear turned to it,
you know. And that's kind of been the problem for
so many years, is you know, so many victims have

(07:18):
come forward just to have like their guardian or parent
or whatever kind of just sweep it under the rug
and not want to talk about it because it's it's embarrassing,
because it's you know, And that's really what I'm trying
to change with this is to bring it back out
into the forefront, into the light, so everybody like understand
how we all understand how difficult it is to discuss

(07:40):
and to talk about and to care about, but that
that doesn't mean that it's going to go away. By
doing that, you know, that's really my point is perpetuating
the issue. It's not helping to find a new shi.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Why don't you remind you, audience, your your story happened
to you and how you were a child you got
in contact with so character and yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Salva Salva worked at a daycare center when I when
I was introduced to him, and as far as I
as long as I ever end to him, which was
from around six to about a month three weeks before
my twelfth birthday, there was the origional time that I know.
He every job he had was was involved with, you know,

(08:29):
working with children with boys and girls club or at
you know, or daycare centers. And that's where he was
working when he was introduced to my mother because of
a film he was he was putting together himself back then.
It was called Goldlin's Gold and he needed help with props.
And so one of my mom's you know, dear friends

(08:52):
from high school, her daughter went to that daycare center,
and that's how you know, Victor was introduced to my mom.
And so she went home and made this prop you know,
of his Goblin's head for Victor. And because of her involvement,
I was able to go to this you know set
and see the film and and that's how I was

(09:12):
introduced to Victor. So, you know, he's he's a textbook
pedophile in the sense that he spent a lot of
time grooming me and my parents, you know, the better
part of the first year of our acquaintance, he spent
grooming you know, my family in order to gain that
love and trust, because that's really the pedophile's biggest tool

(09:35):
is the trust and the love of the children, but
the family as well, you know. I mean, parents aren't
gonna just send their kids off with some guy, you
know what I mean. So it was like he spent
the time, calculated time to really get my parents on board.
And I think he was a great guy, and you know,
it was wonderful for me, and and so that's kind

(09:57):
of where the abuse was led into by that grooming process.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah. Yeah, the last time we had yeah, the last
time I had you on the show before I talked
to you, and even almost universally everybody who listens to
that show, before they listened to the show, they assumed
that you met this guy on the set, that you
were just a child actor. And you met him on
the set. No one knew that he had actually been
working on you years before that movie.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's the that's honestly, that's that's a
very common misconception with my with my case, and probably
a lot to be honest, but that's definitely what anyone
that is, you know, working to keep his persona, his
public image looking as clean as it possibly can be
with that kind of a conviction on his record, to

(10:47):
bury that part of the story and to make sure
that you know, I mean even you know, what's his name,
Michael Eisen. I think the one of the big guys
down there at Disney was quoted back in ninety five
or ninety six when Power came out, you know, he
was quoted saying that it was a one time inappropriate

(11:09):
touching incident between a man consenting minor. Were the words
they used, these act words consenting minor. Now, the picture
that paints for someone who's listening or reading is that
this is like a sixteen or seventeen year old kid
that agreed and was consenting to do this, which as
a grown man, you know, and so it really threw

(11:30):
everyone down the wrong path as far as the truth
behind the abuse, which was, you know, when he was arrested,
I was eleven years old, and the abuse had been
going on for nearly you know, five and a half
years at that point, and if you include the growing process,
we're talking almost six years, so half my life at
that point. He had been you know, abusing me.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
And it started when you was six years old.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, that's when I met him.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Right, And obviously, no six year old is consenting to
any kind of sexual activities. The less on their mind
that they're you're playing with much in the sty.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
I wouldn't consider a six year old or even an
eleven year old a consenting minor right as a child.
You know. Again, the words they have used were very
very cleverly chosen, you know, consenting minor. It paints a
totally different picture in someone's mind when they when they
hear or read those words again, it brings you to

(12:22):
a place where you're thinking, like sixteen seventeen year old
like statutory race kind of thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Right, and that it's a one time thing, and not
that he has this history of working in preschools and
like you said, and alyst kind of other predatory locations
where people go seek employment.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Right, Absolutely, it's done. It's done misdirection, it's misleading, it's
it's it's a way for them to you know, again,
paint him as something that he's not. You know, it's
it's done to give people the impression that he is
not a predator of small children, which he has he is.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
So so someone, that's.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
My biggest thing than to blow the whistle to you know,
break the silence and stop this vicious cycle that they
continue to you know, feed.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
So when I had that impression that, uh, you were
a child actor that ran into this guy on the set,
that's not by accident, that this was something that was
designed by a what do you call it a crisis team, right,
a damage control team to try and paint the best
picture on this and try and distort the facts.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Right. Absolutely, Okay, they always have they have since you know,
since his arrest. I mean honestly, as soon as he
was arrested, he was bailed out, he had you know,
a very high priced lawyer, and I was I was

(13:57):
sued for you know, five my family suit for five
million dollars for reaching contract or something.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Before we get into all that, why don't you describe
exactly what this guy did, how he groomed you along,
and he used to invite you all for sleepovers.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
And stuff, right right. It started out, you know, it
started out fairly innocently, if you know, you don't mind
that word, but for lack of better terms, it started
out where it was like babysitting me for a couple
of hours kind of thing that turned into because I
had a little brother that was infinite at the time,
and you know, so my parents were her hands were full,

(14:35):
and here comes you know, here's this guy that's like
super good with kids, and he works at daycare centers
and he's a filmmaker, and he was like, you know,
I was so enamored with him because I you know,
at that age, you know, if you'd ask me at
five what I wanted to be when I grew up,
my answer would be, you know, famous and a dad.
Those those are the two things that I wanted to
be as a kid. And so here comes this guy that's, uh,

(14:57):
you know, independent filmmaker and he knows all about movies
and directors and actors and like the whole thing. You know,
So for me, it was just like, you know, he
was he was God, he was awesome. You know, I
didn't really have the best relationship at home with my stepdad,
and so that's kind of like made me an easy mark,

(15:18):
an easy target for a predator like Victor selfa because
they look for children that are already like have that
victim mentality and are easily manipulated and persuaded. And so
that's kind of how it started. It was, you know,
him developing my love and trust, and then you know

(15:40):
the first real time that there was ever any touching
or any kind of abuse like that was at his apartment.
I think it was probably either right before or right
after my seventh birthday, and we were watching a Disney
movie and he asked me if I wanted to dress

(16:03):
like Mowgli, who's the you know, main character in Jungle
Book and he wears a loin cloth through without the
entire cartoons. So, you know, Victor offered to make me
a loin cloth out of two bandanas, and as he's
tying them, you know, had me undress, of course, and
as he's tying them, he started funneling me and so
you know, from there the abuse just progressed to you know,

(16:24):
maybe if you were to look him up on to
find out what his charges are. He has four charges
that he's convicted of, including oral copulation on a minor
under or a child under fourteen oral saw tom me
on a minor under fourteen, filming this on it with
a child under fourteen, like, So, I mean, that just
gives you an idea of what it progressed too. And

(16:47):
that didn't take long actually, you know, before it progressed
to that. And you know, he was originally arrested on
eleven counts and they dropped they made a play bargain.
My lawyer and his lawyer drew up a plea bargain
that dropped the seven most severe charges. So he's only

(17:08):
convicted of the four least severe charges, which was the
ones that I just named.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Do you think one of the reasons why your parents
fell for this is because they viewed him as a
big Hollywood celebrity of star, like did they have stars
in even.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Close to that? Yet? He was still making movies in
his backyard at that point. It wasn't until he had
written a script called Something in the Basement, which was
a I think twenty eight minutes short film. And I
remember begging him and begging him and begging him to
let the audition for it. We're at his house hanging

(17:50):
out one day and he had a bunch of auditions
that day, so other little boys were coming over and
an auditioning, and I kept begging him, and he's like,
I don't want you to get your feelings hurt if
you know, I don't want to use you, So I
don't want to, you know, let you audition. And I
talked him into it, and out of the other twenty
boys that auditioned, I want to part. So I got

(18:10):
the starring role in Something in the Basement, which also
featured Brian McHugh who is the middle aged brother and
be Clownhouse. It's basically Clownhouse's three brothers. It's me Brian mcceugh,
it's like the thirteen year old brother. And then Sam Rockwell,
who was eighteen at the time, played at the oldest
brother in Clownhouse. So Something the Basement Went was entered

(18:35):
into I think the Sony Film Festival in San Francisco
and one first place for its category it's it's genre,
and on that panel of judges was Francis Ford Coppolas,
and Coppola fell in love with the short film and
unoffered Victor a full length feature, and so that's how

(18:56):
Clownhouse what came to be is after this offer called
La Victor Woodholme and wrote Clownhouse specifically with me in
the starring role and Brian McHugh as the middle brother.
So he really didn't have any kind of Hollywood ties
or anything until, you know, after he was released from
treatment after his conviction. Is when I think he had

(19:20):
a movie deal waiting for him on the table when
he got out of treatment, you know, fifteen or eighteen
months after his arrest.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Okay, that's interesting. Okay, Well with Nathan Forest winter is
a good time to take a commercial break. Well with
Nathan Forest Winters. You can find his website at Nathanforrestwinters
dot com and there's a link there too to the
trailer for the movie called The Babysitter that just came
and just completed. Also too, he's got this awareness campaign

(19:52):
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welcome back to the Opperman Report. I'm your host private
investigator at Opperman. We're here today with Nathan Forrest Winters
and he's got a website called Nathanforestwinters dot com. He's
got our new campaign called Taking Action. Is that Taking
action breaking silence? And then it is taking Action breaking silence?

(25:10):
Right And there's a tabs is of the acronym T
A B S and is a go fund me for
that go fundme slash Taking Action Breaking sounds. And the
movie The Breaking of the Babysitter has just been completed.
When will the Babysitter be released?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Right now? We're we're we've been entered into film festivals.
I believe we've already been accepted into a couple of them,
and so we're we're really there's stipulations with the film test.
We can't have it distributed or being screened anywhere in

(25:49):
order to be so kind of had to put the
premiere date back a little bit about one hundred percent.
Sure we would push me to the end of summer,
but at this point, in order to be accepted into
film festivals, we can't necessarily do that. So it's something
that you know, Connor and I, this is our first movie.

(26:10):
It's totally done independently, you know, and so it's kind
of a new ballgame for us. We're not one hundred
percent sure exactly how to go about it and still
be eligible for film festivals. So at this point it's,
you know, it's to be announced.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Basically, gotcha. And I'll be talking to Connor Fraser later
on and be interviewing him as well. But just to
recap the story, at six years old, young Nathan Forrest
Winters was he and his family were targeted and groomed
by someone who seems to have a pattern of lifelong
pedophilia and take care centers that kind of work, babysiting
kind of work, targeted him and his family and began

(26:50):
molesting Nathan as six years old, got him into a
movie called Something in the Basement. Francis Ford Coppola saw
that movie, then decided to fund the film What's that
thing called Clownhouse?

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Nathan was chosen to star in that film. And then Nathan,
it was during that film, the film of that movie,
that the Victor Salva was arrested. How did that come about?

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Well, basically, my mom had been my mom had been
like really concerned for a while and it had been
asking me and you know, victor never necessarily threatened to
hurt my family or to do anything like that. His
threats were very subtle and calculated, and like if I

(27:33):
was to tell my parents, I wouldn't be allowed to
see him anymore and I would be able to act anymore.

Speaker 8 (27:39):
So so his threat was to take away the person
at that point in my life that you know, because
being a victim of that at such an early age,
it it killed all of the kind of like affection
that a normal child would would want and receive from
his parents, and you know, it made it so any

(28:00):
kind of physical touching or anything like.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
That was weird and awkward. And so at that point,
he what it does, is it like it singles the
perpetrator out in the child's life to where that's the
only person that that person the child feel like is
they can trust. And so he was basically threatening to

(28:23):
for me to lose at that point the only person
I felt comfortable with and I you know, loved so dearly,
as well as taking away my dreams of being an actor.
So of course, when my mom would confront me or
ask me if you know anything was going on or
anything I needed, you know, she she should know about
I would deny, and I deny deny because I didn't
want to lose those two things. During the filming of Clownhouse,

(28:48):
several crew members had filled up to my mom and said,
something is not right, you know. The interaction between Nathan
and Victor is just it's wrong, which confirmed all of
my mom's fears. And eventually, because we shout the film
in thirty days, and it was right after we wrapped
shooting that my mom was able to finally you know,

(29:08):
I guess I came to her and I told her
I had a secret that I wanted to tell her,
and that's how she finally got it out of me.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Now, that must have been a really difficult decision for
you to make, to confess this to your mother. What
did you think would be the outcome? You think you
would just tell her and it would end there, or
did you think the police would get involved? What were
you thinking?

Speaker 4 (29:28):
No, I had no idea, Honestly, I had no idea
the repercussions or how severe this is, like, you know,
I mean, I was a kid and to me that
was half my life? Right? Was this so? To me?
It was even though because he learned to completely ignore
the red flags and the gut instincts through the grooming process,

(29:52):
you know, and so I had become kind of numb
to those to where you know, it wasn't it wasn't
necessarily a matter of listening to my body telling me
that this is wrong. It was more like I ignored that
in order to make Victor happy, right, And so I

(30:12):
really had no idea. I mean, that was half of
my life. I didn't. I didn't. I mean I'd been
told in school and you know, of course we're talking
early you know, early mid eighties here, It wasn't nearly
as big as I talked about issue at schools or
anywhere where, you know, like the whole stranger danger and
like that, that whole you know thing that took place
later on was not quite a parent or even you know,

(30:36):
anything that was offered through schools or anything at that point.
So it was like literally at all the parents to
you know, inform their kids not to let an adult
touch them in the wrong way or you know. So
it's not that my parents didn't provide that information, it
just it becomes such a normal thing that I didn't.
It didn't click.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yes, so this guy was the center of your world.
He was in your head so much that there's no
way that you weren't thicking straight now, right your mother
went to the police right away.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
I tried to protect him, right Like, I ended up
having to go because I never took the stands. It
wasn't necessary, because he confessed to everything when he was
originally arrested, and then once his lawyer got involved, and
he was like backtrack, backtrack, backtrack, you know you've said
too much kind of thing when you know so, but
then you bawt him completely unaware of the sting operation

(31:27):
when they got him, and so, you know, even to
the point where when I went to testify in this
board of you know, downtown San Francisco and this huge
tall skyscraper, a big, huge boardroom with big windows and
a big table and a bunch of legal people, and
I'm like twelve years old, eleven years old, and had
to go and get my testimony. And even in that testimony,
I was like, I was really trying to protect Victor

(31:48):
because you know, I didn't understand how much trouble he
was about to be in. And I started to get
an idea of how much trouble he was going to
be in, and I didn't want to lose him again.
I didn't want to lose you know, this person that
I had grown love and trust above all else, above
my parents even and I didn't want to lose my
chance of being an actor. So I really, you know,
I tried to protect him, and you know, held back

(32:11):
quite a bit in my testimony, which I'm sure is
you know, a fairly common uh issue with with a victim.
You know, it's like a Stockholm Center kind of thing, you.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Know, Yeah, the abuse goes so much further than just
the physical contact. It's it's the whole mental consuming the
child as well.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Pedophile. It's a very different beasts or monster than say
a child rapist or a rapist. For someone who admits,
you know, sexual assault in a more violent way. This
is done. This is done by acquiring the child's trust
and love, and that's what that's what really, you know,
messes messes people up the long term, you know, sus

(32:58):
It's like it's the long term damage that that is
really that can really mess something up for the rest
of their lives. It's a lot to overcome, you know.
I've had to work very hard in my whole life
since to overcome it. You know, I went through six
years of therapy from from twelve to eighteen, I went
to therapy and that was a huge help because what

(33:20):
that taught me was how to talk about it and
how to put it out on the table and not
have this shame that comes along with you know, being
a boy that's having sexual relations with a man, you know,
especially someone like you know me who I've always known.

(33:40):
I was, you know, heterosexual. I've always liked girls, and
so you know, that's where the shame thing comes in
with boys being molested by men is the homosexual thing,
and you know, the stigma that creates in our society,
you know, created by our society. So it's really a
lot to overcome. And so my you know, that's been

(34:02):
my biggest goal is to be a living example of
you know, healing in the wake of this abuse, that
this is what it takes if you want to know
how to get over this and overcome it. This is how.
This is what worked for me, and this is what
I've found has been you know, the best way to
overcome this and to be a survivor and to be

(34:23):
a voice for those that haven't found there yet. And
that's really you know, been my biggest goal since I
was twelve.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Now, now when you your story started becoming public, did
other kids come forward with any any other kids who
came forward and kids the Salva?

Speaker 4 (34:38):
No? No, In fact, there was you know, allegations and
and and everyone had a feeling about the middle brother,
Brian mckugh, but his family never came forward. I've never
heard from him since in fact, so, but I mean
when when they caught when they caught him, he he

(34:59):
was eating. Because the film was all shot with actually
the same cameras that were used by Lucas in American Graffiti.
So there's these seventies seventies, you know, film cameras that
were just like, I mean, so loud that every single
bit of sound for Clownhouse had to be dubbed over

(35:22):
because the cameras are so loud. So it was a
two month process. Thirty days we shot it and then
the next thirty days were spent doing all the overdubs. So,
after Victor was arrested and I was blackballed and considered
this little tattle tale that ruined everything for everyone, I
still had to go to Coppola's property every single day
for a month and do all the overdubbing while Victor's

(35:44):
in sitting in jail. So that was, you know, was
quite an experience.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
So just that this is clear. When Victor Salva is
arrested and sitting in jail from a lasting a little
boy from six years old to eleven years old, it
wasn't fired. It wasn't a Copla didn't come out and say,
we disassociate ourselves one hundred percent with Victor Salva, we
want nothing to do with him. Instead what happened?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Instead?

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Instead, I was told that I would never work in
the industry. Again, Victors lawyers were paid for by Coppola,
and again he had a movie deal wait for him,
you know, on the table when he got out of
his treatment after you know, he was convicted of four
counts and sentenced to three years, of which he served

(36:37):
less than half. Is what is my understanding is about
fifteen months I think in a treatment center in Napa Valley.
So he's been poddled by Coppola, has actually been the
one to produce I'd say eighty percent of all of
his films since have been produced by either American Zotrope

(36:58):
or Commercial Pictures, which is Copulist company. Is production company.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
And somehow you want up being sued for five million dollars.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
I be a couple of file to five million dollar
lawsuit against my family for breach of contract with the
Clownhouse for I don't to be honest, I don't really
speak that language very well. So and you know, my auntie,
my mom's sister, was the one that basically handled anything
that had to do with the legalities of that case
because she was not so directly involved as my mother

(37:34):
to where she could detach herself enough from it to
be able to handle it on a professional level. And
so I'm not exactly sure what the breach of contract was,
but that's what we were being sued for, was a
breach of contract for five million.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Now you mentioned too, Yeah, wonderful. You know that is true. Though,
when you're in the middle of litigation like this and
you're personally involved in it, it's you have to bring
some professionals because or undispassionate people, because otherwise it just
become so overwhelming and you don't even want to open
up the file and take a look at it. It
could destroy your life. But now you mentioned too that you.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Was really bad and it was really bad. They crucified me.
Like my local newspaper, the count across the Times printed
my name seven times, my full name, Nathan forced Winter
seven times in a very short article after Victor was arrested.
So it was, you know, there's this little blue collar family,

(38:36):
you know, with this little little eleven year old victim,
and like have all these huge people with all their
big money against us. It was it was really tough.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Now also too, you mentioned that you went to therapy
for like eighteen well not ten years, is eight years.
Who paid for that? Did you get any kind of
settlement from any of this to compensation?

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yes, yeah, I did. I did get a small settlement.
I'm not exactly sure how much it is, just I
think it barely was over one hundred thousand, which paid
for my therapy for six years and left a little
chunkin and anwdy for me when I turned thirty.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Now, with that settlement, when any kind of a bit
where you were allowed to make a movie like Babysitter? Now,
can you tell us about Babysitter the documentary?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Right?

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, so the Babysitter. I've had countless offers over the years,
especially when Powder came out back in ninety five or
ninetyty six, which of course was produced by I Think Caravan,
which is a subsidiar Disney, which was a huge powder

(39:49):
cake in the you know, in the media, in the
news that the subsidiary Disney hired a convicted Chad Molesser
to do that movie. So during that time I was
in my early twenties, I was being offered you know,
book deals, you know, TV movie the week like you
name it. I was being offered you know, right and left,

(40:11):
and I remained completely diligent. I did not accept one
cent because, of course the opposition, the people out there
are saying I was doing it for all the wrong
reasons that would have made them right for me to
accept anything. So this whole time, I've been waiting and
waiting and waiting for the right person to come along
with the with the right things to say and the

(40:32):
right answers to my questions to work with to expose
this on the level that it needs to be. And
Connor Frasier was that was that guy, you know last summer,
I think it was end of May or early June
last year, he got to hold me on Facebook and say,
you know that he's been a fan of victors and
then uncovered this controversy behind the end was really you know,

(40:55):
in a lot of ways bummed out because he's always
appreciated there's capabilities to make things happen with like no
budget kind of thing like, and so you know, he
was he was complicted at first, and then once we
started to talk and he started to get a better
idea of what happened who I was, it was like
no question for him, you know, and he was like, well,

(41:17):
I don't want any affiliation with Hollywood. I want to
do this completely independently, and you know, I just want
to help you tell your story because I believe that
it needs to be told. And coming from a twenty
year old kid that had never been a victim, those
were the things that I was looking for that I've
been waiting for. So I was really excited right away.

(41:39):
And it's been you know, it's been hell. It's been
a really tough, tough process to get this done without
any backing or funding or you know, like we did
a go fund me campaign last year and that's really
you know, my thanks to everyone that contributed help, because
that's really what made it possible to do The film
was people out there supporting what I was doing and

(42:01):
making a contribution. And so we ended up flynes in
Virginia and we sat in a hotel room for two weeks,
him and I and you know, it's not going to
be any kind of conventional documentary in any shape or form.
This is something that is brand new and it's not

(42:23):
something that has been done yet in the sense that
it pushes the envelope and breaks the mold for documentaries.
There's no scenes where I'm sitting in a chair pulled
up chair next to a lamp with someone behind camera,
you know, asking questions. There's none of that. It's basically
it's me telling the story and recalling these memories on

(42:46):
camera is what it is. And Connor's vision for that
is his whole purpose for getting me out to Virginia
and sticking me holding me up. I mean, like we
literally went out to dinner like twice, you know, like
his grandparents took us out why and then I had
a friend from North Carolina come over and take us
out to dinner. But other than that, we're like eating
you know, Sonidfurger across the street and Dunkin Donuts every day,

(43:08):
sitting in this hotel room for two weeks to do this,
and his whole purpose behind that was to put me
in this vulnerable place where I was unfamiliar, where I
didn't know anyone, and it really worked. I mean the film.
I'm a very hardcore perfectionist with any kind of my craft,
for my music, my artwork, anything I do, I'm very perfectionist,

(43:29):
and so for me to say this is a lot
and I honestly I don't think we could have done
a better job at all. So I'm really proud of it.
In fact.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Okay, and again this is a good time to take
a commercial break. Were with the Nathan Forrest Winters Nathan
Forrestwinters dot com. You could see a trailer of this film,
The Babysitter. Also to We're gonna be talking to Connor
Frasier too, the filmmaker behind this. We're gonna be talking
to him soon as Well's so keep an eye on
for that show. And also to go back and find
the show with with Nathan Forest Winter is the two
hour show I did with him when we really get

(44:03):
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(49:10):
talking today with Nathan Forrest Winters. He's got a new
film just completely called The Babysitter. You can find it's
called a trailer at nathanforrestwinters dot com also to keep
it out for his gofund meate. It's a campaign he's
got to taking action breaking silence, and there's a go
funding for that taking actually breaking silence. A couple of

(49:31):
questions for you real quick. In your film The Babysitter,
do you cover any other high profile cases of children
being victimized in Hollywood? It's just your story, It's just
my story.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
And the reason that ed is basically because that's the
one that I know. It's the one that I have
actual physical evidence improved of it occurring. And for me
personally at this point, it's better to stick to what
I know and what I can prove. That way, there's

(50:07):
no questions of am I slandering or someone or you know,
So that's really the main reason, and because again there's
been so much misleading done by you know, Victor and
the people that work with him and for him that
it needed to be told in its purest rows form

(50:28):
and to stick to that. How about it really go ahead.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
As you completed the film. Has there been any attempts
to silence the film or buy you off or anything
like that.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
No, nothing directly, not at all. Yeah, don't. I don't
know where they you know, I know Victor knows about it.
I do know that I know that he knows that
I've made this film. But there's really been no, there's

(51:05):
really been no you know, contact from from that side
of things trying to persuade me or buy me. I mean,
it all thrue with Hollywood knows they can't buy me.
They've tried. They've tried a lot of times. Again, you know,
I waited. I waited most of my life for the
right person to come along and that you know, so
they tried to buy me and it's not going to happen, you.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Know, But they have a way of they have distribution
companies that can buy the rights to the film and
then bury it. Yeah, like that kind of stuff happens
quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Yeah, we've had a couple offers and Connor and I
have just decided to go independently, which is one of
the main things we're running this go fund me campaigned
for is to help us because a lot of times,
with a lot of these film festivals, you have to
pay an entry fee or you know, there's there's conventions,

(52:00):
film conventions that we would need to travel to in
order to do Q and as after for the screening,
and so that's and and you know, we're building towards
my mission. The goal is to become a five oh
one C three, which would be we Are Their Voice.
There is a we Are Their Voice dot com or

(52:21):
not dot com that's included with the Nathan Forest Winners
dot com. But there is you know, an email for
that that portion of it. And to really to get
this off the ground so we can become this this
foundation for victims and survivors to band together because my

(52:41):
my mission is to really unite all of us because
we're not alone, you know, and and we don't need
to be afraid. We need to work together to bring
this out into the open. And the only way to
do that is to have someone who's not afraid of Hollywood,
who's not afraid of you know, I mean, cause there

(53:02):
were threats. There was there was people watching our house
when we were going through that five million dollar lawsuit
and and the trial with Victor. You know, there was
definitely weird stuff going on in that. In that regard,
there's threats being made to my family, So that part
of it is very real. It's just I think that
they've they've realized that for this time that one they're

(53:24):
not going to shut me up, and for two, they
can't buy me. So so far, we haven't had any
We've had only a couple offers as far as distribution,
and again, we decided to go independently because that's one
way for us to ensure that this is going to
be done the way that we wanted to be done.
But yeah, I mean really that we haven't had any

(53:46):
issues with that so far, and I just hope that
we don't.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
I hear you. And the purpose of the go the worst,
you know, the purpose of the go go fundme taking
action Breaking Silence is to raise funds any travels, fences,
you need, the entry space, like you said, for the film,
and also to your plan is to start a foundation
a five month C three it's actually for education purposes

(54:11):
to help other kids that there coming up in this process.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
I mean in my big picture minds, Like I'm a
very big picture kind of guy, I see. You know,
the whole specium of what I'm looking for and what
I'm reaching for is to you know, have hotlines and
to have a place that's safe for victims servi ours
to come forward and to be safe, you know, to
do educational tours where you know, speaking tours where I

(54:38):
would go and speak in in you know, places that
would raise awareness and educate and books. You know, like
like literally, I wanted to go. I want to be
huge global, you know, I want this too. I want
to I want to change things in our world. I
want to. I want to make it safer for my

(54:58):
my children and their children and so you know they
I've always heard it said that it takes one person
to stand up and make that difference, and I'm you know,
I'm more than willing to be that one person to
lay it all out on the line and to be
in the crosshairs so to speak, for all the other
victims and survivors out there.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
You know that way, Yeah, And we know the money's
out there. We know that people have good hearts and
they want to donate to this kind of thing, because
look at what happened with Corey Feldman when he came
out with his story. He raised hundreds of thousands of
dollars and then there's all kinds of stuff around that.
You know, it wasn't even this kind of story. We're here,
we have a legitimate case, and Nathan Forest went, this
is one hundred percent legitimate case. And I would encourage

(55:38):
people to go back and listen to the first two
hour interview where we really go into detail of this
entire story, and I think you'll be shocked and motivated
to go to the go fundme, taking action, breaking silence
and really get this because this is a sincere guy
who's a stable guy too. By the way, we had
our long discussion lesson grounded gentleman here. Nathan Forrest point

(56:02):
is a real survivor to all this. But we are
at a time what do you want to leave us with?
You've gotta like two minutes? How can people find you
that kind of stuff?

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Again? It's you know, all the contact information can be
found on the website that should lead to the GoFundMe
as well. You know, we're looking for any kind of
contribution in the sense of, you know, if someone has
a connection that might help us get into you know,

(56:36):
a film convention, or that knows an attorney that wants
to donate time, you know, to to this cause. It's
it's basically anything that anyone wants to contribute. It should
be an open door in that sense that if you
have a positive contribution to make then feel free. Just
because it may not necessarily be money doesn't mean that
that's not going to be a contribution, you know. Like

(56:57):
I want people to know that although we do need
money because we're both you know, pretty pro Connor and
I and everybody on my team right now, you know,
but that's not the motivation is not money. The money
is just so we can continue to do this job,
you know. And that's really where I want people to
know is that this is it's an honor in my opinion,

(57:20):
it's a duty to protect the children, to protect and
to give a platform for people to use their voice
and to speak out and to band together and to
you know, find a solution for this.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Yeah. I know there's hundreds of thousands of people out
there that not just listen to the show, but you
see the money, the internet, they're getting behind all these causes.
This is something that everyone with a good heart wants
to support, but it's so you got to be so
careful of who to get behind. And I really want
to tell you, Nathan, forst went this is the real deal,
and I would have no concern in endorsing him and
putting him forward to you. You have my total endorsement there, Nathan.

(57:55):
And if you listen to the first show, the first
two hour show where we're really going to details and all,
this was a very sincere guy who is very well
grounded now in his adult life and is a good
spokesperson to be at the head of this kind of thing.
You lived through it. He's stable and he can speak
from the heart, and there's a stable guy. So Nathan,

(58:16):
thank you so much. Okay, and again, if anything ever
comes up where you need to come on here, just
give me a call. We'll put you right on the air.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Absolutely, Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Thank you, And I want to tell the audience too.
Me and Nathan, I screwed up the the schedule time
for this. He was very kind to move a schedule
around to me and get this on there.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
So thank you so much again, Nathan, Absolutely my pleasure.
Good night.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Okay, they got Nathan Forest Winters, and like I said,
I endorsed this guy on hundred percent go fund me
Taking Action Breaking Silence. That's the go fundme. The website
is Nathanforrestwinters dot com. We're gonna be talking to Connor Frazer.
I'm gonna be interviewing him for an hour as well.
So that's why we didn't get into the babysit of
the film too much, as I talked to the Connor
about that and have a whole clean slate with so

(59:00):
we'll be getting into that later on on another show.
So thank you so much and Nathan Forrest Winters. If
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