Nikki Smiley Face

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(01:43):
with our guest here. Anika heard, and she's had an
experience of personal experience with the smiley face killer situation.
So Anika heard, are you there?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
And did I pronounce your name correctly? Okay, all right,
thank you, and tell us about yourself. Who is Anika Herd?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm college educated, a pretty much. I have had my
life sideline but by an auto in the in disease,
and it required me to move out of date to
get better medical care. So I moved to Minnesota. But
when I got there, I had to make a trip

(02:29):
out to Oregon, and I had a room set up
to rent, but you know, it was already rented by
the time I got there, so I stayed in my
homeless shelter. Was at the homeless shelter, I made other friends.
But basically we are getting targeted, targeted by a very
strange individual there. And as it would turn out, this

(02:52):
individual was a human trafficker and also involved with smiley
face killings.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
And he well, well, let me stop you there for
a second, because before we get into all that, you
said you're college educated. What what was your major in college?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Liberal arts and graphic design.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's sort of an artist type and without I don't
want to hammer it down, but age range. What is
your age range that you.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Describe getting up there? Forty five?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, less than forty five is easy. I'm fifty five. Okay,
it only gets uh, it only gets a little harder
as you go on. Okay, so you're about forty five
years old, graphic arts major, Liberal arts and married, single, single? Okay, Oh,
you employed right now?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Not right now?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Again, I have an autoimmunity, so I've been kind of
sideline from that. But I have a lot of technical
training and computers and stuff like that and I work
on them.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
So, okay, is what I do?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Little freelance type sidework.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Right pretty much?

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now, And you said that you were traveling back and
forth between Minnesota to Oregon, and it was in Oregon
where you ran into this human trafficker.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
No, it was in Minnesota. And that also seems to
be the mixes where a lot of you know, smiley
faced killings have occurred.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, gotcha. Now the homeless situation was that in Oregon
or Minnesota? Minnesota, Okay, and that's where you ran into
this guy. Now do we don't want to use his
real name? What do we want want to do about that?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
We did use his first name? I don't I know,
I don't know, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, Then what was his first name?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Pardon?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
What was his first name?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Frank? Frank?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Okay, Frank. Now you describe him as a human trafficker,
Give give me an idea. What was he up to
that was human trafficking?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I made some friends there, So there were some other
people there that had auto immune these like me. I mean,
I generally picked friends based on avoiding the you know,
the thieves and the attics and all that that we're
in there, but there were these individuals that were probably

(05:17):
paying too much attention to us. And a friend of
mine there, pat she got involved with this guy that
I mean, he was I think giving her pain pills,
which you know, I guess she needed. I mean, it's
just but you know, she I was the main person,

(05:39):
She was one of the main people that she was
actually human trafficked. I mean she uh, someone offered her
a way out of the shelter and said that she
could stay in apartment for free. And then what I
heard is that they made her have sex for the rent,
and that drove her to try and kill herself. And

(06:00):
but the individual that was that tried to traffic her
had friends there and another girl, Jennifer, she was sexually assaulted,
and you know, we had rallied to help her. But
there were just these shady individuals and Frank was one

(06:20):
of them. And at the time, I didn't know that
some of these people were friends. I mean, the person
that sexually assaulted Jennifer was registered sex offender and friends
with these people. But they really kind of look out
for their own And you know, Greg, one of our
friends that you know, well, he I think knew what

(06:43):
was going on, the trafficking, but he didn't want to
get himself in the limelight by those people because they
they're prone towards you know, violence that you know, he said,
they were playing quote divide and conquer with the women there.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
So let me let me get this same. Most of
the women, the victims were there living at the home
a shelter, and these men you were describing as human traffickers,
they didn't live there, but they somehow preyed upon these
people that they could target at the shelter.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
They were staying there, but I don't know if they
had alternatives in terms of where to stay. Some of
them I think were residents there. Some of them I
think were just there to find victims for human trafficking.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
And what about the staff of the shelter. Were they
aware of what's going on?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
They didn't really do anything. I think that there might
have been some staff that might have been involved with it.
Gregik complaining about this guy Eric. When Tom sexually assaulted Jennifer,
they didn't kick him out of the shelter. That's what
essentially made me a target because you know, I saw
what she was going through and I didn't like it,
so I called the police. And then that, you know,

(07:51):
after that, that's when they started paying attention to me,
and Frank tried to befriend me and went overboard with it.
Too polite, too nice, but he would occasionally ask me
about the protection order that Jennifer was trying to get,
you know, to protect yourself from Tom. So I didn't

(08:13):
give them any information. I didn't really know what was
going on though, so you know, it was just a
very weird situation.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
And give give me a time for him. How long
ago was all this going on?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
This li was in twenty eleven. It was springing twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Twenty eleven, okay, And you said you did go to
the police, and what did the police study?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
They needed to call me back, and I'd just gotten
an expensive phone plan and I didn't. I ran out
of minutes. So essentially it kind of set me up
to be the liason. But I had difficulty doing it.
And Jennifer, I think, was afraid to go and get

(08:58):
the protection order. I think that she got traumatized from
all that happening and not really getting any help, which
I can understand very much. But you know, it's just
for legal process is complicated there. I mean, she'd have
to get the protection for her, she'd have to you know,

(09:18):
the guy would be in the court session with her,
you know, to get that. And you know, the police
they just went through a report on the spot. I
lived in another city and if you wanted to file
a police report, you could do it right then and there.
There wasn't an issue of calling people back, and I
mean she did not have a phone, so generally there

(09:39):
were some barriers in the way, and I think what
she wanted to do after just encountering so many of them,
is just let the thing slide. I mean, she had
a boyfriend to look out for her, and she was pregnant,
and I think, you know, she had other concerns. But
I think it was just the very bad situation at

(10:01):
that shelter, that it was not policed properly. It wasn't
a lot happened there. I actually have a book written
by this perpetrator and the one that both a trafficker
and a sliley face killer, and he's describing rates happening there,
I mean, and stuff, but he's not doing it, I guess,

(10:23):
to you know, advocate for the women. It's just I
think that I think it just demonstrates that there's, you know,
definitely ben shady activity going on around that shelter.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
This business about the police calling you back, was this
a situation where you called up like nine to one one,
A couple of cops show up and they did take
a report, but then they told you that detectives were
going to get in contact you, is that what it was.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
No, they showed up. We were allowed to meet in
the private office of the shelter. Jennifer was in there.
I was in there. I was the main person doing
the speaking. They asked for a contact number to get
me back at They didn't mention anything about the detective.
I asked if they could just do a report on

(11:15):
the scene right there, and they said no, that they'd
have to contact me back. So, you know, but Jennifer's young,
and she she was young. I mean, she was like
twenty and you know, I'm about twice or age. So
I mean, I guess I kind of had to be
the lead person with it. But you know, me not
being the victim, you know, it's a little hard, and

(11:37):
particularly when I'm coming in from out of state, I don't,
you know, I didn't have any idea at all about
the legal processes in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Okay, and then what ultimately came out of all.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
That nothing nothing. It went from bad the worst is
what happened. Jen stayed relatively safe, you know, she had
her boyfriend looking out for but Frank was just worked
up about Tom getting busted for that. I think Tom's
involved in this little you know, trafficking ring, and so

(12:11):
he was very He's like a used car salesman. He's
very manipulative. And you know, I never had anybody go
that far overboard trying to be a friend. But it
wasn't done for the purpose of kindness.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
It was done basically to make sure that he had
access to me and what I knew, and it was
his way of kind of keeping his thumb in a situation,
I think, and because I was ignoring.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
About human trafficking. Unfortunately I didn't realize that, you know,
there I should have responded differently, you know, you know,
gotten away from him, you know, definitely got more law
enforcement involvement. But you know, even he later read me.
But you know, he was very good at lying to

(13:10):
the police. You know, he's very much involved with the
trafficking there, and what he does is spread rumors about
the victims, about them being prostitutes, to give it the
appearance that they're doing it willingly. And he lied to
the police in terms of me, I mean, I called
the police on him to stay safe from him, and

(13:33):
you know, someone in front of that shelter offered to
be a witness for me. But when I called the police,
she changed her telling, but I wanted her to speak,
so I spent a few minutes trying to persuade her
to speak to the you know, speak to law enforcement.
He had maybe about three minutes alone with the police
there at the end of that. I mean, he was

(13:54):
acting like he was a victim and trying to say
he was afraid of me, and twisted the entire stitutuation around.
So there's a lot that we're in that situation where
you're outnumbered, and these people are very clever wires, manipulated manipulators.
You know, eventually, even with your best efforts, I mean,

(14:15):
you have no choice but to retreat. And I mean
I'm not the kind of person that normally retreats from
a situation. I mean, definitely anything of that magnitude. But
they just have a way of making sure that people
end up helping them and not you. And I think,
you know, it's a lot of it's flying. I think
a lot of its threats and intimidation too, And you know,

(14:40):
I kind of know, but I don't, you know, I
wasn't win this to a lot of that, So I
don't know specifically how they do that, but they do
have a system that they use to aid embent their
activity and to get law enforcement just kind of to
not do their job about it at all.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
The names you've mentioned, right, both the women the victims,
and the and these men the traffickers. Any arrest records
would all this bunch.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yes, some Frank has records for violating protection orders and
phone harassment. Tom was registered sex offender. Kim to the
guy that targeted Pat. His wife died questionably from a
pill over dose, and vector death was so weird that

(15:28):
when they published an article about it in the local
paper in Saint Paul, people posted comments there saying they
did not believe that that woman's death was a suicide.
So I don't there's probably something there. But you know,
I only knew what the article was because after all
this happened, Jennifer was smart and she started got meeting

(15:49):
up these people online. Once we started doing that, you know,
then you learn a lot more about the people, and
you know, you learn that there's definitely something up.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Now, you said that they were able to uh uh
manipulate the police. Do you believe that any of these
people were informants working for the cops.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
No, But Frank has relatives that are involved in city politics,
that they're in Saint Paul and Minneapolis, so I think
he might have a relationship with them that extends kind of,
you know, beyond, you know, with you know, how the
average person you know would relate with the police. I'm sorry,

(16:31):
I'm tired. I'm screwing this up.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
You're fine, You're doing fine.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Do you think that where are all these people today?
And do you know where they are today?

Speaker 4 (16:41):
No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I know that Frank works as a trucker half a
year and he said he wintered in Minnesota. So I'm
getting the impression that this, you know, involves criminal operations
and that the trucking is related to that, and that
these people, I mean, particularly when you've got them homeless shelters,

(17:04):
I think a lot of them are transience. But I
don't think they're transience in the normal sense. I think
they're transience for the purpose of crime. That human trafficking.
I mean, you've got usually when they bust a ring,
I mean, the rings operating over several states because they
have to really, you know, to not get caught. They
have to kind of keep the victims in motion. Plus

(17:26):
they diforent the victims, because you know, the victims are
in places where they don't know people, where they can't
ask for help.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right, and usually they have no idea, they have no
driver's license, they have no birth certificate, they're they're pretty
much out there with everything. You can't even get that
first foothold. Now, the reason why though you contacted me
is because you believe this has a connection to the
smiley faced killings, right, correct? Now, how do you come

(17:55):
up with that? What do you have?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I have a manifesto the room and he was dumb
enough to give it to me. And you know, I,
you know, with my medical condition, I wake up from
pain all night, so I don't get sleep. And because
of that, I think he thought he could take advantage
of me. But it really didn't work for him because
I was just sleepless. I mean, I'm not wanting to

(18:19):
kind of let myself be a victim. But yeah, so
he got over confident with me and he gives me
this thing. He emailed it to me and it's like,
you know, about sixty pages long. And the thing was
is that you know, by the end of all this,
you know, after three months of dealing with the traffickers,

(18:39):
I pretty much figured it was human trafficking that was
going on. But you know, even after I got away
from that shelter, I had issues with getting sexually harassed
and public by these people that you know, were tied
to the shelter, you know, homeless people, and I didn't
like it. And I knew Frank had assistance and a

(19:00):
lot of the ugly stuff that he did, I thought
it was gang related. So I made myself, you know,
go online to study local gang problem because I was
pretty upset, I mean, what he did to me, what
he did the pat But when I was doing my
homework on that and trying to figure out which local
gang he was part of, I mean I thought it

(19:21):
would be a gang called the Selby Siders, just based
on locations I'd seen him at. But you know, I
was also kind of tuned into all the graffiti there too,
you know, I was trying to pay attention to that
to see, you know, what Fredy was in the same
area that he hung out in, just so I could
attribute him to some you know gang in town. But

(19:43):
you know, no, Selby Fiders are a real small local
gang up there in Saint Paul. So I was looking
for an example of their graffiti, the only one that
was online led me to Christy Peel's website and Smiley
Faced Killers. And but the thing was that she had
redacted that picture, so I mean I can't find it.

(20:06):
So it's kind of forced into reading her blog and
all the comments that were posted there. And there are
perpetrators of these smiley based killings that post on it
pretty much every blog about them, trying to disinformation, trying
to use them to get information to help them get
away with crimes. And you know, they also try and

(20:26):
intimidate people. I mean they have a full on effort
controlling these websites just to impede, you know, the investigation
and impeded people becoming aware that this is a murder.
So yeah, I started reading that. I read the story
of Dan Zamblin, and I was just thinking about it

(20:49):
when I read it that you know, Frank hang out
down by the river in Saint Paul.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
He camped out.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Along the river there. I mean, sleeping bag smell like
river water, So you know, I thought, you know, I
was even joking to myself that maybe Dan Zamlin sounded
scared when he was on making that last phone call,
because he saw uh, freaky Frank in the bushes somewhere.
But turns out, you know, he actually was involved with

(21:20):
that stuff. It wasn't coincidence and being down by the
river and like maybe about three or four months after
you know, he raped me and did uh you know,
and hurt my friends. I happened to be reading that
blog and one of the trolls on the blog said
something that only Frank would say, that Frank is one

(21:41):
quarter black and he's obsessed with that, that he's basically
an Anazi, that he's part black, which you know, of
course makes no sense, but I don't think there's a
lot of sense going on with this individual. But you know,
he said that to my face, you know, like, oh,
they think because I'm one core black, you know that
I am black. Well, I see the troll and the

(22:03):
Smiley's as Killer blog saying the exact same thing he
says about this, you know, friend of the victim, Uh,
the victim, Jilanie Princeton, had a friend, Matt Aredondo, and
the troll was trying to convince everybody that was it
was Johnnie's friend that killed Jelanni and he said, you know, well,
the troll said well, I don't trust Matt Aredondo, you know,

(22:26):
and he you know, then you started going off about
you know, the Jilani Princeton was black that Frank said
as the troll. You know, people think just because you're
one you know, quarter black, that you know you're one
quarter animal. I mean pretty much the quote that you know.

(22:49):
But he didn't just say it to me. I mean,
he was talking about being one quarter black and in
the book, in the manifesto that he wrote.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
So let me stop there for a second. Has anybody
ever done any like real investigation work the seat if
they could connect these troll comments back to real people
and try and trace back who they are.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
But the one thing I know is that he was
using the public libraries there, and that I know from
reading Christie's site that they have bumped people off the website,
they've banned them, they've banned IP addresses, but the trolls
come back with a different IP address. So I think
they're using public computers to that end. And he definitely
had something going on at the main library in downtown

(23:34):
Saint Paul. I mean, they were friends with the security
guard there, basically, that was my impression. And yeah, so
you know, he stays at the shelter and then he
goes you know, the library. But you know, I don't
I think you've stayed with other places too. I mean,
he's definitely got family in town, and I don't know

(23:58):
how much they're involved with this. Some of them might be.
I don't know. He had a cousin that died pretty
much mysteriously too. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
His cousin.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Patrick. He was found asphyxiated, but they said it was
like from a jet fuel fumes. This kid worked at
an airport and but no one was there, no one
saw it happened, and just kind of like the Smiley
fased killings. I mean, he manages to send out a

(24:35):
text telling somebody that he's getting assixiated by aircraft fuel fumes.
I mean, if you're getting overcome with fumes, I don't
think you're going to be texting. So it seems a
littlefficient to need. But again, you know, it's just circumstantial evidence.
I really can't prove anything. I mean, basically they're getting
away with it.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Did the sixty page manifesto does it specifically mentioned Smiley
Face Killer.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
No, but it makes clear allusions to it. The book
begins with the definition of respiration from a dictionary and
it's just put in there with no explanation. I definitely
needs to read some of that for you. That he

(25:25):
you know, he even uses human trafficking terminology in it,
but he uses this stuff kind of more like a
literary device. I mean, it's like a way for him
to talk about this stuff but not get caught. Is
a perpetrator of these particular crimes. So the book is

(25:46):
a little weird, but there's definite things in it that
completely reference back to the silent faced killings. That one
party is talking about a dark, murky pool and use

(26:08):
of the words submerged a lot, and kind of giving
a synopsis here while I try and find it forgot
Minos organization.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
You know what, it might be good time because we
got to play a commercial soon. Anyway, maybe we can
while you're looking for it, we'll play the ad and
then when we come back, you can read it to us. Okay, Okay,
thank you, Okay, great, we're with anarky heard and I
believe she's up nik Is that right? Aniki? Aniki? Yes,
anik he heard? Okay, because it's really thrown them off

(26:41):
because I had another guest on name once Anika, and
now I'm and now I'm totally throw it off, okay,
but Anik he heard uh and we're talking about the
Smiley Face kills. And Aniki too as well. She's in
touch with Jim Rothstein and I was just talking to
him last night. So we're gonna be getting into all
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(31:20):
investigator at Opperman. We're here talking about these smiley faced
killings with Nickie Herd who came to us through Jim Rothstein.
So Anichi are you there?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Okay, So what do you got? Did you find the
portion you wanted to read to us?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yes, So here's a quote from it. To maintain the
mummified remains of the ones vibrant, vibrant economy, like soaking
a dead extinct lab animal and a jar formaldehyde for
future use. That's in parentheses, and then it's a submerged
and drowned is the old family orient to style business

(32:01):
management to a practice alchemy of welfare solicitation infectiously threatening
the American apple pie, bread and butter values that once
defined our country. Okay, that's one. But I thought it

(32:21):
was interesting that he said mummified because it's the way
Chris Jenkins's body was found. His hands were crossed across
his chest. So, and that's one case where because of
the position that he was in when he drowned, that
they reruled it a homicide. Is this to an accident?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
But let me ask you this, when he sent you
this manifesto, what did he describe it as being a
work of fiction, work of is a goals? How do
you describe it?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Namely, it's a long piece that you know, where he's
expressing how he feels like he's a victim, but he
feels like he's a victim of the groups of people
he's victimizing, that women, minorities, particularly blacks. I mean pretty
much anyone that he's victimizing are actually, according to this,

(33:17):
you know, victimizing him. But he's using human trafficking terminology
in it to describe himself, like I'm a you know,
indentured servant because I got to work a job. And
I mean, really, there's no valid reason to have you know,
human trafficking termology at all in this book. But I

(33:42):
think it's kind of having to do with this psychology
that I think it's pretty much like any perpetrator where
they know they hurt people and they project the blame
onto their victims. And so this is a way for
him to not just twists in his own mind, but

(34:02):
you know, I think it's also a way for him
to titillate himself and you know, throwing these words because
I mean, he'll break into a lot of sexual content
in this book.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
And.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
You know, and there's what I think valid information in
it that he described a rape by the homeless shelter
out there that quite honestly, you'd have to be a
witness to it to have access to that amount of
detail about it. But I think he likes to put
the stuff in the book in a sense to brag,
you know, to exert his power. That he envisions himself

(34:42):
as somebody that can get away with all this stuff.
And I think that does something for him. And you know,
and I do recall up there in the Twin Cities
around the shelter, I mean, one neighbor who was kind
of snickering because I think he knew what was going on.
He was not a bad guy, but he was talking
about all the pedophile around there. I do think Frank

(35:03):
is trafficking children just from things that he said to me,
and he didn't admit to it, but he was saying,
you know, sometimes I can understand where pedophiles are coming from.
You know, it's again stuff that's not gonna directly get
them in trouble, but it's stuff that's sending up red flags.
So you know, that's why I've not really had any

(35:26):
help from law enforcement. I turned this into the police,
you know best, and my notes about it into the police.
Them sus that I was told by them up in
you know, Saint Paul, that all I had was circumstantial evidence.
I mean, when you read this piece, you know that
there's definitely something very wrong going on. But just like

(35:47):
any criminal, he's not going to write out a confession
and then give it to somebody, so you know, he's
not making it easy on me at all. No.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, even your average guy involved in something that isn't
even going to write them manifesto. You know, they're gonna
be a pretty much a concelient. But now, but besides
this manifesto, than what do you have. You have these
other statements on the smiley face boards, but but physical
face to face with Frankness, guys, besides the prostitution and

(36:16):
the human trafficking, what have you got that you would
you think would connect them to these murders.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Sadly, it's mostly stuff he's said in the content in
the book that I mean, I I've just gone through
like one quote there, and there's a lot more. And sorry,
I'm a little disorganized, but it's just I think it's

(36:44):
more what I learned about, you know, what happens up
they're in Saint Paul that I mean, he hangs out.
You know, he took me on a bike ride. He
took me right by where Dan Vanlin went into the
river up there, and the river was flooded when I
was there that in twenty eleven spring twenty eleven, there

(37:05):
was a big flood. He was obsessed with it. He
was just frustrated because you know, his bike trails were flooded.
But you know, I think there's a definite tie with
those bike trails with you know, with slightly faced victims
up there in Minnesota, because I mean, most of those
are right along the river they're right along the river.

(37:26):
I mean, a killer or perpetrator could use them and
not really be noticed because in a lot of cases
there's vegetation around them. So you know, that's really I
think something that kind of freaks me out at a
gut level, that I know that he took me by
these locations for people have been killed. And you know,

(37:47):
one interesting thing that I think gives credence to the
whole idea that these aren't accidents at all, that their
actual drownings is something from a local band up there
in Saint Paul. It's a phone called a good Idea
by Sugar the Fan that came from you know, a
member from who'scur Do. But here's from the line from it.

(38:10):
You know, that's a good idea. He said, he held
her down in the river. He held her down in
the water. Another river of mud washes away those tears,
and he said, and he said, now that's a good idea.
Now that's a good idea. And yeah, and saying, you know,

(38:31):
some things are best left alone. Sometimes that's I'm best
left alone. And sometimes I see you in the water
at night, at night, at night, and it kind of
sounds like the musician knows someone that you know when
that you know, victimized that way. But it goes on
to say, you know, now that's a good idea, she said,

(38:53):
she said, And then I want to feel you in
the water with your hands on my head, push you
down into the water, she said, she said.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
So yeah, I've heard that connection before. To the band,
I've heard of that before, and it does and even too,
there was even some speculation about their their touring too
matched up with some killings. But back to these bike
trails you're talking about, like mountain bike trails or motorcycle
like the dirt bike tap trails.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
No, just community paved the little bike trails up there.
There's one that runs the whole for all the way
from Saint Paul, you know, maybe about twenty miles over
to Minneapolis. And you know, after I survived Frank, I'd
just kind of be freaked out on those trails. But
there's a lot of graciti by them, you know, and
you know that whole street gang sirget does factor into

(39:46):
this too. But you know that a lot of these
hobos and gangs and stuff, they'll hang out and get
high under the bridges or camp under the bridges and
the Frank was, you know, part of that crowd. I
don't know if you used drugs. I kind of think
maybe not with that, but selling them. I'm pretty sure
that that gets, you know, into some of what they do.
But I know less about that. I know certainly I

(40:09):
was seven trafficking going on. So but yeah, these are
paved trails. Some of them are alongside the road, you know,
if you're visible from traffic, but a lot of them
are just aren't. And I would not you can gain
me money to ride one of those things again, I mean,
I know that. It's just every instinct in you tells

(40:30):
you you know, this place is not safe. I'm not visible,
you know, it's just so that's fat.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Now, besides them, you try and find. Do you think
these guys are involved in a kind of occult activity.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Maybe, I mean, I'm pretty sure that they are, because
I mean, there really is no other motive. I mean,
without before I met Jim Rostein, I did my own
research on this, but you know, I could figure out
pretty much everything but motive. And I mean, even if
it's just like they're addicted to power and they like

(41:11):
killing people for that, you know, I don't think that
it's just that I think that there's something going on,
and particularly with his family. I mean, there is a
theory about the smiley faced killings, you know, called the
Train Perio. It's about in the HVAC company you know,
called Train and they pointed out that one victim, Josiah

(41:32):
Jamison and Tennessee, disappeared during a conference you know, training
people to become you know, h vac repairmen. But you know,
I don't know if the person that came up with
a theory was one of them, or you know, troll
or what that. Maybe maybe not, but that definitely tied
into it. Well, Frank has a number of family members

(41:54):
that are in the HVAC trade. In fact, maybe about
three or four of them, one of them his own
business that they're not associated with training as far as
I know. But it's just a little bit too much
of a weird coincidence. And you know, he mentioned he'd
been sexually abused by his grandfather, and there's you know,

(42:16):
trying to complain about his family. I think he might
actually come from a ritually abusive, very violent family, and
I don't think that you know, there's good chance it's
not just him in that clan that's doing this, or
it's just particularly with the way his cousin died. I'm

(42:36):
definitely thinking that there might be some leads worth looking
into anyway. And they kind of almost have a structure
of a mob family. I mean a lot of them
are in trucking and transportation. They're all, you know, in
the same sort of trades. I mean, that's like it's
very unusual for the last and my experience with any family.
I mean, normally people take their own career and they

(42:58):
follow it. They don't, you know, you don't have like
five or six people working in the same business in
the same family. I don't think unless it's you know,
mob or something like that. But you know, again, it
could find those ritual stuff, or it could be both
morob and ritual stuff. I think that's a distinct possibility too.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
How did you come across from Rothsey?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
He basically saved my life I in twenty thirteen. Unfortunately,
somebody leaked it back to Frank that I had deduced
that he'd been involved in styly based killings, and then
he threatened to kill me. He's been stalking me persistently.

(43:41):
He found where I'd been running to get to me.
I mean, he's very painstaking about all of this that's stalking.
He does not want to get caught. So he had
a friend of his move into my apartment building and
then he made rims with someone else there that was
an alcolic and a drug addict, and long story short,
that friend was trying to kicking my door and was

(44:04):
breaking my lock in there. But then they'd lie to
a building management about it and try and manipulate them,
actually manipulated them. It was public housing, and they said,
you know, well they knew that, you know, if you
get too many police calls your public housing building, that
you might get in trouble with the city because you're

(44:25):
not managing it properly. So actually they sent the police
away once and I called them, But it did boil
down to not feeling safe in my apartment, having hide
in the neighbor's apartment, my neighbor the drug addict that
he befriended, while he had Frank on speakerphone. While Frank

(44:46):
was laughing maniacally, he made a gun gesture at me
with his fingers and pointed at me and said snitch.
And they're pretty much landing there. I mean, I even
friends that you came around to help. I made friends
with people in the building. I mean, Ray stopped helping me,

(45:07):
and I'm pretty sure Ray told me that he had
people calling him and threatening him. And then maybe about
three or four days later, Ray all of a sudden
just stopped being helpful. And it so happened that maybe
about a few days after that, when I would I
had to go back to my apartment, which would have
been broken into, I got a call from I got

(45:32):
an email from Lee Gilbertson, and he stepped in and
intervened and had me helped out by a task force,
and they took care of me. They kept me safe. Unfortunately.
I think that you know Jim and he can tell
you a story about the task force or just they

(45:54):
were kind of going through upheaval, I guess is one
way you could put it. But anyway, I met Jim
through that task force. So that's the story of how
I made connections with those very you know people that
saved my life.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Now, you said that Frank was threatening you. Was he
because you found out you were talking connecting him to
smile face? Is that specifically what he said to you, Hey,
I'm going to kill you because you connected me to
smileth face.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Well if that he didn't, you know, he didn't say that,
but he wasn't stocking me when it was just an
issue of me getting away from the human traffickers. What
I did is because of you know, having to escape
that situation, I wound up staying in another shelter over Minneapolis.

(46:44):
At the same time i'd really put together that there
was a connection between Frank and sily faced killings. Anyway,
there was someone that was a drug addict in my
room that got pritvy to the information and she looked
it back and and right after that, the minute after
it got lead back to him, he shows up at
the shelter. They made it up stuff to try and

(47:07):
get me kicked out of the shelter. It almost worked.
I almost got kicked out in the streets in Minneapolis
when I was in severe danger at midnight, you know,
and in the way that they kind of handle it
the same way when they know where you are, they
move in a bunch of their friends. You know, they
don't move in on you until they're pretty sure that
they have you over apparel and that you're isolated, and

(47:31):
you know, but all these friends that have that come
in they're screwed up people. When they found me the
shelter in Minneapolis, there was a friend of his. Well,
I mean she almost attacked me and then I you know,
grabbed the stick to kind of protect myself, and then
she ran to the office. Made sure she ran there
and told the story before me, because it's one of

(47:52):
their tactics to try and bias people. You know, tell
the story first, and people are more prone believe that.
I think it's called anchoring bias. But you know, she
was also doing sex acts with some girl on the floor.
But I don't know what they had done with staff.
That staff did not kick her out. I mean they
start fights.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Let me ask your question. Let me ask you a question,
because now, if the theory is is that this is
a group of uh experienced killers who were able to
lure people out and drown them and dispose of evidence
and do all of that, why would they go to
all the trouble to stalky and move people in next
door to and stuff like that. Well, all they could
do was just take you out there and kill you

(48:31):
and then you're done.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Well I'm setting me up for that though, I think.
I mean, as long as I'm in there and it
was locked unit.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
That partisial.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
There's a locked unit knows locks for the women. You know,
they have to get access to you first. I mean,
in one case, I'm pretty sure that they rape drug
was used, but it you know, and as far anything else,
I mean, it's not just me. I mean I became

(49:04):
a target because they were very obsessed with Tom getting
busted for sexually assaulting Jennifer. So again, I think it's
more about just his psychology that in the amount of
time they spend trolling with this stuff too. I mean
you think, like, I mean, I'm a normal person, so

(49:27):
I wouldn't you know, I don't know what goes in
mind as the one that's trying to get away with murder.
But there's definitely a pattern with these people that they
aren't just going to let this lie and just hope
that they don't get caught. They're they're very much involved
with stacking the deck in their favor, making sure that

(49:52):
you know, everyone is so confused, and I you know,
I still I mean, I don't get it. I Mean,
my opinion is just easier not to kill some and
then have three time on your hands and then why
the hell you want to kill somebody and then spend
the rest of your day sitting there trolling online. I mean,
it's stupid, but they're doing it.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
And you think your life is in danger right now?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yes, sorry, let me put in my phone and.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Participate.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
When is the last time you've had contact with any
of these people?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I can say probably twenty fourteen that I had been
found by them in shelter in Ohio, and then based
on the shelter not being confidential domestic violence filter, and
based on the fact that they weren't confidential, they were

(50:53):
just kept the door open when they discussed where I
was moving to when there was somebody in there that
was definitely associated with them and very very creepy. You know,
then they traced me a where I was going. So,
you know, it's a little bit of a struggle trying
to stay safe because I mean, basically, you also have

(51:15):
to tell people what you're going through, and you know,
this whole story is kind of weird. So I mean
a lot of people have just not really gotten that,
you know, the need that I have to, you know,
have my safety taken seriously with this, because you don't
people just get skeptical and or don't know enough. But

(51:36):
after that, you know, they found me. At the next
place I went out to smoke cigarette. I noticed a break.
Lights're on for a truck that had been left unlocked.
There's this big black guy in the truck. Well, you
didn't come out till later, but I think that definitely
was associated with them. I can't even hurt them. I
called the police. I didn't go out there to smoke.

(51:58):
I had, fortunately that guy hiding in the truck and
I just foot on the brakes, so you know, I
knew someone was in there. But yeah, that would officially
be the last time. But they've traced me by phone
before too, and I've had, you know, some of Jim's
associates tell me, you know, really make sure to advise
me about phone safety, keeping my location fervices off. And

(52:22):
I think that's definitely part of it. I think that
they do stock using that stuff. Well, you know, a
normal batterers the stage, you know, try and locate their
victims by their phone.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
What about some of the other Smiley Face investigators like Gannon?
Have you talked to him?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I never met Gannon, okay, but actually it was him
that I submitted you know, my own notes and Prank's
manifesto too, And did you have a get back? I
think it got from Gannon to Gilbertson.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Who is Gilbert? And I'm not familiar with the name.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Legilbertson. He's is one of the main people. He's a
head of a criminology department at Saint claud State University
and he's in the field of crime statistics. He's one
of the he's one of the co authors of the
book case Studies in Dranting.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Forensics, Okay, and.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
His experience in statistical you know, crime statistics. I mean
he's basically he has an argument that's pretty solid that
based on normal statistics, it's impossible that these cases are accidents.
It's just flat out impossible.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
What about William Ms Have you spoken to William Ramsey? No,
I haven't, okay, And but have you seen his latest
film He's just done about Smiling.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Face Now, I haven't. I've just gotten familiar with his
stuff from listening to one of your interviews. So I've
still got a lot of stuff I got to go
through that I haven't. But yeah, I want my information
out there. You know, we need some kind of collaboration
here because you know, we definitely have a situation. And

(54:09):
I really am tore up because I know every day,
I mean, every mistake I make with this, everything I do,
I know that people are out there getting killed right now,
and you know, it's very difficult to feel totally powerless
over it. And you know, I'm angry about it too.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
It's not okay.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
It's something. You know, something's not happening, you know, And
I think you know, those of those that are on
this side of things, you know that you know, don't
really have the authority to investigate it, like you know,
I supose the FI. I mean, we do have to I think,
work together, you know, to try and figure out some

(54:53):
way to stop this.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
And again the manifesto. Have you ever you've showed this
to place, You've sent it place, You've sent it to
the FBI. What have you done with that?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yep, it's been sent to the police, It's been sent
to the FBI every time. You know. I do tend
to share it as much as I can, as many
you know, printouts as I can afford, or so. I mean,
I I do try and get word out, but I
mean in terms of any kind of help. I've gotten
about basically zero. In fact, I think I've suffered too

(55:27):
unfairly because I think you know more, and not with
the police, but you know with other agencies that they're
just kind of afraid to believe it. And you know
that's very scary when I mean, you're telling the truth
and lives or at stake, and you know, it sounds
like a fish story. So I'd like to try and
figure out ways around that. And you know, I've had

(55:51):
I agree with people that have argued that it needs
a better name than the Smiley Case killings, that somehow
that you know, over hypes it and makes it sound
a lot more stupid than the issue actually is.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Yeah, that's true. That can cause a problem, the drowning
killings or something like that. We're almost out of time, though,
what do you want to leave us with?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I want to leave you with that, I'm pretty sure
mettling the perpetrators of this. For some reason, nothing's happening
with this to stop it, and I don't really understand why.
But in my experience, the only thing that really changes things.
I mean, if there's agencies that aren't working to stop

(56:34):
it is people have to get vocal they have to
make us think about it. They have to, you know,
not and not back down with it. I mean, this
is what we have to do because the consequences of
doing it, I mean, innocent people are dying. So you know,
I'm willing to do anything at this point. I didn't
use myself as a bait to get these guys. I'm
not kidding. But this is a very serious thing. It

(56:59):
should be taken and seriously, and the public needs to
be made aware of it, you know. You know, government
agencies need to start acting on it. And you know,
I'd like to see a day where the stuff stops happening.
That's all I want. Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
And when we talked earlier, you said you did want
to give out your email address for people to contact you.
But but even considering that it is possible to locate
your three your email address, you'd still want to do that?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Probably not if they can, if they have any questions,
I guess just have you.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Know, you can set up to me, and I can
set up to me. I can you want to get
in touch with the Nika, I'll help you out, Okay,
Anika heard, Thank you so much, fascinating story. If anything
new comes up, give us a call. Okay, well we'll
take a look at it. Well do thank you, thank
you so much, good luck. Okay, okay, all right, okay,

(57:53):
they had Anika heard firmly believe that she's in contact
with some people involved in a Smile Face killings due
to their involvement in human trafficking and prostitution and gang
stalking activity. Like you said, she's in touch with Jim Rothstein.
He's looked at the material and he's helped him. She said,
he's saved her life. And there you have it.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Okay.

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