Rupert Quaintance / Rev Ed Pinkney

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Just look for the guy rambling. Okay, we have a
returning guest, Rupert Quaintance. Now, Rupert Quaintans used to do
a show here on American Freedom Radio right before my show.
He was had the slot right before me. Okay, and
we did an interview with Rupert because he's got this
big controversy going on. It's got these problems. And as
a matter of fact, the last time we had I'm
on the show, he had some legal troubles and it

(03:02):
didn't work out too well. He did wind up in
jail over in the UK. We're gonna be talking about
all of that. But Rupert's an interesting guy besides all that.
So Rupert, are you there?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
You better believe I am sir?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay, great man? All right, Rupert Quaintins, tell people about it.
You just have the show called Where's Rupert?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Or Here's Rupert?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
No, it's hi, it's Rupert.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I got the worst memory in the whole world. Hia,
it's Rupert. Okay, So tell that what hyat's Rupert? Tell
us who is Rupert.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Quintin's Well, I am a Virginian. I have spent and
it wasn't until I recently went back and looked at
my actions over the course of my life, which when
you're in a prison you have a tendency to kind
of do that because there's nothing really else to do.

(03:50):
But I've been involved in activism since age ten or eleven.
I received my first from a sitting US president in
nineteen ninety one, and I still have these artifacts. I
also have many correspondences from when I was in my
teenage years from such political figures as then Congressman George Allen,

(04:15):
who went on to be Virginia's governor, and also not
just from George Bush Senior, but I also got a
letter from Bill Clinton, a man with whom I have
also shaken hands. Somewhere around two thousand and six, I

(04:35):
decided to start nosing around nine to eleven because I
just had this idea one day that wow, they cracked
into that Kennedy thing. Maybe they've started to crack into
this thing. And I sort of I remember it like
it was yesterday. I rolled over, I grabbed my computer,
and I started looking it up, and then I found
all of us out there on the internet sort of

(04:59):
making there are various stakes in in the I don't know,
out there, out there in the out there, in the
world of the Internet, saying I don't like this, this
looks funny, this is weird. And ever since then, I've
just kind of been taken down a different path, I
guess than most people. So I'm a comedian, though things

(05:23):
haven't been too funny lately, comedian and writer, video producer,
all around activists and gentlemen. I I don't I don't
really know how to I'm not I'm really not like
other people, which is it's kind of fun being me sometimes.

(05:48):
I'm one of the few people on the face of
this earth that has seen the outpouring of support that
if I had died. I've seen what would happen if
I die, And not a lot of people get this,
this feedback from people. But I had no I I've
I've always had a lot of friends. I've always had

(06:10):
a lot of acquaintances and people who have supported me
ever since I started. But I didn't really realize how
interconnected that my opinions and my presence have been with
with people since I started. There's some there's something about
me that's it has My message has legs. It's it's

(06:35):
really all about nuanced opinions exists, and that's pretty much
who I am. If if I'm just like everybody else
who's in this business, if if it was whatever it
was that I could say to save the world, I
would say it. If you told me it was flat earth, fine,
I'll say flat earth if it's if it's you know,
the moon is made of cheese, If that's going to

(06:57):
save the world, I'll say that too. I just have
a deep seated desire to make make an even playing
ground so people can feel free. Because as a musician,
as a video maker, I have experienced actual freedom, largely

(07:20):
because of the country that I live in and also
because of the people that I've been fortunate enough to
surround myself with.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know, I know what freedom feels like that when
you're facing jail time, there is an outpouring of support,
people coming out of the woodwork, and they really do
show support and love in a kind of way that
you know experience. I was facing fifteen years myself, a
little little marijuana chargeback. He's a les small, small truckload

(07:49):
of marijuana. Yeah, right, what do you call it that?
But anyway, we beat those charges. But the thing is this,
And by the way, my second guest to reverend Ed
Pinkney to just got out of jail himself. He was
actually a prison up there in Michigan thirty months. He did,
got fifty seven years old thirty months for some little
discrepancies on a recall petition. There's some dates that got

(08:13):
mixed up and they gave him a two to ten years.
You wound up doing thirty months. Now, when you had
your show, Hyatts Rupert, what kind of topics did you cover?
What kind of guess did you have on.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Hyatt's Rupert extends over Facebook, YouTube and also the radio.
I've interviewed Oliver Stone's son Sean. He's a stand up guy,
and anybody else who has an interest in current events,
political issues, even some absurdist things. Hyatts Rupert the YouTube

(08:51):
show has typically been a comedy designed to sort of evoke,
trying to make people think for themselves, or at least
trick them into going I never really thought about it
that way. Maybe somewhere a couple of years down the road,
they'll they'll remember that and start to think about things

(09:15):
a little bit differently. It's it's about the only thing
you can do these days, because people want to believe
what they want to believe, so the only thing you
can try to do is lead them to the water.
It was always intended to be funny. It was never
intended to to offend or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
And do you still have that?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
When I went to court?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Was is the YouTube channel? Are you still producing content
on the YouTube channel currently?

Speaker 3 (09:48):
I have ideas in the works, but you know, I've
only been back a little over a week, so pushing
two weeks, so I'm still Oh, I'm still getting my legs.
I mean, technically I shouldn't even be doing this, but
I'm not. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not going
to mope around forever. I mean, it was, it was bad,

(10:08):
but at the very least people people can listen to.
And and by the way, there there's a chance that
there is a consort, a consortium of really not nice
people who don't live in this country, who are listening
to this way, just waiting for me to say something
that they can take to the State Department and convince

(10:31):
them to put me back on a plane and go
over there and face trial. Again, and then i'd be
looking at you know, i'd be looking at some time
for that one. And that's not That's never been the point.
The point was never to upset anybody. It's just it's
kind of got caught, got caught in the crossfire.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
So the last time we had on the show, yeah,
you couldn't discuss the details of the case of how
how you wound up over there in the UK and
and what this It was basically a child molestation allegations.
They're not against you, but that you were investigating a
child molestation ring type situation. And at the time I

(11:11):
didn't know which case you were talking about specifically, and
we had some kind of problem going on, but I
wasn't familiar with the specific case. And now I am okay,
and I've had those people on my shop listen. We
don't really need to mention their names because because everybody
watching listen to the show, it's pretty much gonna know
what we're talking about because they're.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
All obsessed with this case. Now, if you don't, I
don't confirm any I can't. I don't know, I don't
know what you're talking about, right, So this could this
could be the conversation that ends me back up on
a plane. But I mean, it's so be it. But
we're not we're not making any Yeah, we're not pulling
any punches here.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
We're not.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
We're not going to say what what doesn't need to
be said, right, So, people.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Who aren't familiar with what we're talking about specifically, because
like I said, there's many people that are obsessed with
the situation. You can just check out the comments on
YouTube and all the trolls that are going to come
out and they're all going to be messing the details
of this. You can find it on speaker on YouTube
and just check the comments there. So now, when I
had y'all last time, let me ask a question. The

(12:13):
original allegations by the parents who I had it as
a guest on my show, and they make this allegation
that one is like a stepfather boyfriend type and the
other one's a mother, and they make this allegation that
their kids were being molested by their father. You found
that story credible?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I mean, I'd prefer, honestly not the comment one way
or the other. The only thing that I can say
really is that in being in England, I was, you know,
I was looking at a lot of things and that
that happened to be to be one of them. But
it wasn't so much that they sound incredible. It was

(12:53):
just how crazily they behaved after the fact, you know,
arresting me, putting me on police bail for eleven months,
you know, putting me through a lengthy trial, and then
sticking me in a haunted old British prison where I

(13:17):
froze and starved and you know, didn't really have such
a nice time there. But I almost feel like we're
getting on the edge of what I can't say. I've
got people advising me on the back end that this
is a trap, so be careful, be careful.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, well questions now, you keep describing us as a
prison hearing the United you did four months, right, I.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Did four months in three weeks, and then I did
several other days in a detention center by five months.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Now, the thing is here in the States, if you're
doing less than a year, they keep in a county jail.
They don't sing it to a prison. Are you staying
over there? In the UK, they sent you to an
actual prison, like there are people there with you doing
twenty five years life and stuff like that pretty much.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Man.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I mean there's other prisons that that prison would ship
people out to. It's being turned into a remand prison,
which is basically a if you're If you're in prison
on remand, it means you don't probably don't have any charges,
you don't know when your court dates come, and they
just are assuming you're guilty, and they put you in there.
And I'm in a way, it was lucky that I

(14:21):
didn't have to spend that eleven months inside the thing.
But yeah, they send you to a it's it's it's
it's not a place that should exist. It just should
not exist. It's not it's given what we know about
psychology and about nutrition and Freudian psych cology, I guess

(14:45):
you this those plates. And they seem very proud of
their system over there, but there's the system is broken,
does not work, and is just it's they're they're proud
of it too. And I think that's the grossest thing
of it is that it doesn't even it's been going

(15:05):
on for so long. And the boys that were in
that prison, they I told them why I was in there,
and they told me to tell you and everybody else
that what's that. Somebody needs to say something about what
goes on in there, and it's it's not it's not okay,

(15:26):
it's not helping anybody. It incentivizes poor behavior.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Uh, it is.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
It is psychological torture designed to break you. And it's
it's long, it's it's very uncomfortable. You're treated as a
as a piece of property. And if they want to
sit there and be proud of that, those side effects,

(15:51):
well you just feel even sorrier for them than than
I already do.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
So in total, you you were gone for the United
States for the eleven months, plus another five months in
the prison.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Now that's incorrect. I was gone from May about May
the eighth, twenty sixteen. I didn't arrive in England until
I thought it was August the ninth. I checked my
past the eighth got in there on August the eighth
into into England. So I had some time in Rome,

(16:29):
all over Italy and see. I went to Holland for
a month. I went to the Canary Islands for about
three weeks, and then very I didn't want to go.
Like by the time it got to the point where
I was supposed to go to England, I really really
did not want to go. It had just reached such
a you know, I was an attacked online for two years,

(16:52):
called me a pedophile of met amphetamine addict. They sent
messages to random girls on my Facebook hoping that they
would find a girlfriend or something, and and you know,
cast some doubt on my fidelity in the relationships, that
they would leave me. I mean, they they went to
no end to try to isolate me, and and I

(17:14):
mean even even that was over the thought they attacked
my family and then they took my reactions to that
and we're like, look at what he said, look at
what he did, and and they just acted like that's
who I am, and then put me through this, through
this whole process, and it was just it was it
was horrible. I mean it was then they're proud, they're

(17:36):
proud of this, like it's it's not I don't think
it's in the British character honestly for them to behave
like this, And you need to get over it, and
they need to pass some reform and start start to
behave like human beings instead of monsters.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Well let me ask you this, what was your intention
to travel over to Europe?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, the intention to go into Rome was to provide
support for the activist Kevin Galilee. I was I was
his photo journalist, his tech guy, and I also would
have to provide security a little bit because he's for
most of the shots we took, he's got his eyes closed,
so I had to make sure people didn't take his
stuff or or bother his person. Which people in Italy

(18:15):
are amazing. If you ever, if you're thinking about going
anywhere in Europe.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Go to go to Italy.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
It's the food, the people are Okay, if you go
somewhere outside of Rome that people are really good. People
in Rome they're very city little, you know, people think
they're a little stuck up.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I liked them.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
But my point, I mean, what else is the What
is the point of all? Is trying to save the world,
have influence, try to get the chains of slavery off
people's backs, little by little. I know it's an impossible
thing to do, but I didn't want to go on
with my life looking at it and thinking what else

(18:52):
could I have done? Now nobody can really say I
didn't try. You know, the point in England, I hadn't.
I had no point. I just it was something I
got caught up in the attacks on me online drew
the attention of people who who sort of wanted to
back anybody that could step in and kind of make
sense of it. And by the time I got there,

(19:14):
I really didn't want anything to do with it and
had very little to do with it. It was just
what little that I did say and do was able
to be cobbled together. And I was, you know, I
was definitely with as they say, they're stitched up, and
there's there's an intense amount of Dooper's delight that goes
on the back end of that. I mean, they they

(19:34):
were able to have their way with me. Now, did
I have an idea that they might do that, Sure
I did. Did I think they were going to actually
do it? I didn't know, But I was willing to
risk my personal safety for I don't know what, just
just to see what they would do. I guess I
always kind of wanted some dirt on them. I wanted

(19:56):
to be at a point where I could criticize them.
And now I've lived as one of them and have
been I mean, it was almost an honor in a
way to be treated as though I were an actual
British citizen. Like a third class citizen that's not allowed
to work. But it was you know, it was very
it was inter it was it was fascinating as much

(20:17):
as it was horrifying.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Let me ask you a question, because, like I said,
when I had that couple on the show, you know,
they were very difficult booking the show to begin with,
and then you know, I know it's going to be
troue but I had them on the show, and I
kept them on an extra hour. I did like three
hours with them, and I heard them out, you know,
and I had an open mind with their allegations. After

(20:41):
the show, I can't I experienced what you're describing, these
trolls back and forth, and I discovered right away that's
the couple themselves were feeding both ends of the debate.
They were trolling themselves. They had fake accounts and sock
puppet accounts and the other side of fake counts and suck.
But but there's there's a weird dynamic going on there

(21:04):
with this group. Uh that's that There's that's artificial. Okay,
it's not real. And I could testify in court if
I had to u and really put together exhibits and
show this to be true. Now, But so what I
did was I just you know, I didn't even play
that show. I played it on YouTube, but I never
even aired that show on any of the stations. Now
what is it? And and we have another friend whom

(21:25):
David Shirter, who he also got totally caught up with
with going back and forth with these folks, and I'm
not sure why, what is it that caused it? He
gets so wrapped up and it's when you saw it
was insanity.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Well, I mean I engaged in sort of letting people
have free speech, like even if it's against me, I'll
let you say what you want. And it was just
sort of like it got to the point where I
was just like, well, I'm just not gonna look because
they're they're publishing videos about me, They're they're writing articles
about me. They they they doxed me, they called the
house they I really thought the next move was this

(22:00):
somebody was going to show up and kill me. So,
you know, in America, if somebody keeps testing your house,
see if you're home, see if you're home, see if
your home eventuity gonna come buy. I mean that's that's
pretty much the way it rolls over here. If somebody
keeps trying to check on you. It's because they're planning
and something, so I just kind of let it go.

(22:20):
But they started sucking people in that they shouldn't have,
which they were doing on purpose to try to get
me to say or do something that I wasn't supposed
to do. And I'm no problem talking about that. I mean,
that happened, and there's nothing I'm not identifying anybody. I'm
not agreeing or disagreeing with anything. I'm not pointing a finger,
I'm not drawing attention to any of these individuals, whichever

(22:43):
side of the thing they're on, because you're right, it
is just a massive mess. Is it can just all
sides of it, or there's a mass mess, and it's
it's I can't even believe it happened. I can't believe
any of that happened. I in retrospect kind of wish
in a way that I had spent my time elsewhere,
because it's just it's it is, it is what it is.

(23:08):
I had all these these ideas that I would really
go off, but I'm not to that point yet. Like
I guess I have to just sit and wait and
see how this goes. Because they're gonna they'll probably start
trying right now because I'm talking to uh, but I'm
not identifying anybody. I'm not saying who it is, whether
or not.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I just want to be very clear with that, right
because I'm already geting messages from these guys. But but
my right now before the show even but my question
to you is like I'm not going to engage with
these guys. Why would you? Why would you even read.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
What they have to do?

Speaker 3 (23:41):
That's the problem is I never did, Like I should
have been blocking them and deleting them and reporting them
and all this kind of stuff, But I just I
don't care. I'm not I'm not afraid of them. Now
in large groups, they can kidnap you and steal your
stuff and lie about you and stick you in a prison.
That they can do. But as far as like having

(24:01):
a logical debate about anything, that's not gonna happen, Like
that's that's just what they do.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
So then how are you going to react?

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Is our additional pastime is what baseball? But where is court?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
But my question is there's going to be a reaction
to this, Okay, negative reaction, and organize negative reaction. Uh,
my question too, is are you going to react to it?
Are you gonna respond to it or are you just
gonna ignore it?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Well, there's nothing I can do. I mean, they get
to operate with impunity talking about the very thing that
I've been barred from speaking about. So, I mean, what
does that tell you? They're allowed to, you know, produce
whatever it is that they want. They're given complete clemency
and amnesty as it pertains to engaging in inactivities which

(24:49):
are which are listed as illegal under the same law
that they prosecuted me with. So if they can do
whatever they want, they can't do anything to me now.
I'm like, they can't physically come get me anymore. I
haven't said anything I'm not supposed to. So it's just
the the overall actions of everybody. You just need to

(25:11):
read between the lines there a little bit and try
to try to look at well, why what what's going on?
Like why why is everybody so upset?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Let me ask the question rupid because I'm they're gonna
say stuff about me. I'm not even gonna read it.
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
I just don't look at it. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Like all they do.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
The bravest thing that they do is call the cops
and or pay their cable bill every month. I mean,
there's no they're just sitting They just they're just hiding
behind a screen.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
So my question to you, Rupert, is are you going
to react to when they start trolling you again? Are
you going to react to it? Are you gonna read it,
You're gonna bother reading it, or are you gonna react
to it.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'll probably look at it and then delete it. It
doesn't matter, Okay, it's just a question. No, I've proved,
it's been proved. It's they're not paying attention to what
they look like in the long run, you know, and
I have the year of several congressmen now, so it
sort of has worked to their detriment to treat me

(26:07):
so roughly. Now everybody's like, well, what the heck is
going on there?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Now?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
My question to is, earlier you said that you're not
going to deny that you did what you did because
and I've seen your defense. I read your defense, and
there really didn't seem to me much of a defense.
You pretty much admitted everything you were accused of.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well I mean not at all. I mean everything that's
sitting there had happened, but the context behind it was eviscerated.
I mean, they're able to ignore by choice, ignore hyperbole,
ignore the fact that I might have been scared. There's
no idea that anybody can talk something like this out.

(26:45):
Heaven forbid we have a discussion, you know, or just
tell me to kiss off and go home is what
they should have done. But you know, yeah, what's your
what's your question again?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
My question is that when I read your defense, it
was pretty much acknowledging everything you were accused of.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Well, I mean, there's a I admitted that I said
some of the things I said, but why I said
them was like why I actually said them is the truth?
And none of that was. It was just you're guilty
before you even poke your head into place.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
With there an option to make a plea arrangement where
you would plead guilty without going to trial. Do they
have that option over there?

Speaker 3 (27:31):
You don't really play like that, Like you, I could
have pled guilty at the magistrates court level, but they
might have given they might have slapped me with because
they picked they picked a very serious charge to wipe
on me, and it was they were holding five years
over my head and that's a big chunk of time

(27:54):
to look at. When you're stuck in a foreign country.
It's one thing if you're at home, it's a completely
different thing when you're sitting sitting in a foreign country,
and it's it's I really wouldn't wish that on anybody.
It's not uh, it's not okay, And I bet they're
sitting there laughing ha ha. We got Yeah, yeah, you
get nothing. I'm still sitting here, I'm still sirking. I'm

(28:17):
still eating better food than you. I still got more
friends than you got. That's what that goes for all
of you. So you two opperaman, darn't it. But yeah,
I said I said some stuff that I shouldn't have
but I didn't know that I shouldn't have done it.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's just I was.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
It's you almost sound like one of them, Like I
was antagonized so harshly and so intensely, and they had
to go and pick through, you know, hours of radio
and all this stuff. And then then then it's some
at some point it's claimed that no one had any
idea that I was being harassed. Okay, so you are

(29:04):
aware of my every move, my every breath, and my
every word, But somehow you don't notice that people are
picking on me. Yeah, okay, well let me ask a question.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
As party of defense, did you present any exhibits of
that website that's which is pretty much just twenty four
or seven aren't interested?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Listen, you're acting your behaving as though their court is fair,
like you're operating under a delusion. Their courts are like ours,
only ours will actually take into consideration the actuality behind
certain actions or words, especially if it's a person who's
never been accused of a violent crime before. You kind

(29:42):
of look at this like hmm, But that wasn't the point.
The trial itself was just a formality for them to
do what they wanted to me. It had nothing to
do with anything other than that. So, yeah, you're right,
there were a lot of things that could have been said,
but it just the fact that I was being in
tensely harassed was sort of glossed over. It's like, yeah,

(30:03):
this happened, but blah blah blah blah blah. So that's
how they wanted to play it, and that's how they did.
And look, you got to respect them for knowing their game.
They knew their game, and I didn't but you know,
I can just see them now. They're probably sitting in
their red face trying to figure out how they can
use this to get a hold of me. But I
would strongly suggest leaving me alone. It's not I mean,

(30:26):
I'm not engaged. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Do you feel like edy you had proper representation? You
think they had a good lawyer who knew what he
was doing.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Of course, of course, now as the legal team did
everything they could, they handled it, and I owe them
a huge thank you. The solicitor was someone who he's
sort of become a friend. He's a nice guy. The
barrister that they tapped to represent me was an absolute weapon.
The man's mind is it's just as sharp as it

(30:56):
can be. He's only what thirty three thirty four. The
man is brilliant made for this, and he did an
excellent job in court of halting where it needed to
be halted, of representing me, and of also knowing the
He knew the ins and outs of everything. By the
time he got up to do his thing over the

(31:17):
course of what six days, he knew exactly the ins
and outs and what's not to say. So there's nothing
I can say about those people. They did what they could,
and they did it very professionally and quickly, and there
was a lot of admin work that I didn't want
to have to do that they did, and I could

(31:37):
never thank them enough for that, even though it didn't
work out in my favor. They're not there, certainly not
to blame for that.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, because you know, I have a lot of listeners
over there in the UK, and many people who have
heard that you were out on house arrest for so long,
it was their opinion that you would have gotten like
a probation or maybe thirty days or something like that
because you were out on release for so long.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Well they took obviously was well behaved the entire time.
There was never another infraction. All it would have taken
was somebody to send a letter, or if you had
dropped a cop by the house and said, hey, we
don't know what you're doing, but you need to stop.
I of course would have just been like, yes, sir, sorry, sir.
You know, there was no need for all of this.
It's just they kept using the terminology. They were using

(32:26):
a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It's just like I
would have gladly stopped. I would have gladly have taken
anything down if they had asked nicely, and I never
would have said another I wouldn't have been given this
interview or said another word about it. But it just
it just wouldn't stop. They wouldn't stop with the with
the charges, and then with the not letting me go
home for Christmas, and then making me sit and wait,

(32:47):
and then then a trial and then make me sit
and waiting to jail again. It was, you know, just
way over the top, way over the top, especially seeing
how I'm blissfully unaware of much that has gone on
around that. It was, excuse me, it was just because
I'm an American and everything you see in a Hyatts

(33:10):
Rupert video is me acting. It's it's me, It's an act,
it is It is a place. YouTube for me is
a place to express portions of my personality that I
may not get to Otherwise. You don't get to say
those kinds of things in public. You don't get to
be angry and shout about that. I've only done a

(33:31):
couple of angry videos before, and it might it must
be something to it because people got really upset. But
I mean, in long term you know, I feel bad
about people having to step up to the plate to
help me, Like the people who let me stay in
their house for a year, like they didn't have to
do that. The people who helped with money and with

(33:54):
moral support, and the you know, all all the all
the people who chipped in to make sure that I
was as you know, as okay as possible. I feel
bad for those people. I feel bad for everybody involved.
I mean, it's I don't I don't really know whatic
it is a part of who wants to ride and

(34:14):
rail and scream and shout about it, but I don't
think I really need to at this point. It's just
I just don't know why they couldn't put the brakes
on this thing at all. I had to, you know,
be taught a very harsh lesson, but for what I
never I didn't put any effort into it at all,

(34:36):
and that's how they reacted. I wondered what would have
happened to me if I actually had, you know, given it.
The old CODs try to kind of be a loud
mouth or or dance around the issue, but I mean
I got I got to see things that I never
would have seen, things that nobody's seen, so in a

(34:57):
in a way, the part of me that is an
experienced jo just kind of relishes that. But the fact
that people thought that they had to try so hard
to get their way with me, it's just that's just now.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Listen for people that are right and they're hearing that
you got four months over there in a prison, they're
they're assuming that you did something really horrible, like you
hit somebody or you did something, and what exactly were
the charges against you.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
I was charged with harassment with the intent of violence,
and the violence came for me mentioning the word knife,
which was which was in a conversation between me and
somebody else, but it was visible to the general public,
so it the harassment. I don't really know any of
the people. I don't know any of the people that
said I harassed them. They apparently felt harassed. I didn't

(35:47):
know that you could that things could go down like that.
I mean, in America, you go to the cops and
you're like, this person's harassing me, right, and they just
they'll give them, they'll give them an order to leave
you alone, and then they'll then they'll, you know, take
things if you can, if you continue with a course
of conduct. But they were able to bend the letter

(36:07):
of the law to suit the situation, which is, you know,
that's that's what they do. That's what they do, that's
what they're that's what they're like. I went back to
the Declaration of Independence because I remember the teacher showing
us we had to learn the reasons for for us

(36:28):
separating ourselves from that particular consortium of people. And they
haven't changed a bit since seventeen seventy six. They still
do the same stuff. They're still up to the same stuff,
and they're really it's it's pitiful to watch because they're
very self congratulatory and they're very they're very into themselves,

(36:48):
but they they the saddest thing is that they have
the ability to be so much better just to constantly
step in on their own feet.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I forgot what I was gonna ask you. We have
a lot of listeners over there.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Let me just say it for all the British people listening,
I don't hate you. I've been fascinated with British people
since I was a kid. I love the music and
the comedy that comes out of there. I just there
was something sinister like there's a reason that all of
our like all of our American movie villains are British,
and that's wise because there's just sort of a sinister

(37:24):
nature to the most of them.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I just want to say, your opinions of Rupert Quainton's
are not the opinions about Afferman or the station. But
real quick though, because for people again who don't understand, like,
this is the kind of work I do. You know,
I do cyber stalking intervention, you know cyber stalking cases.
Try where where I tried where someone will come to
me and say, hey, I'm being stalked online. We need
to locate this person, identify this person, and try to

(37:50):
get the police to do something about it. And it's
almost impossible here in the States to get someone arrested.
We even got a visit to their house, get the
cops to go visit their it's impossible. I had a
case down in Florida where every single day this guy
was taking pictures of this woman's kids going to school,
describing what they were wearing, posting it online. And we

(38:13):
have his name, address, social security number, we know data bertain,
you know what this guy is. And the cops down
in Florida and Brandenson, Florida will do nothing about it
has It's been gone for years. So this a lot
of people listen to this. There's like, don't understand what's
going on, but now, okay.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
So you get that out.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
You're out. Now you've been back two weeks. You haven't
talked about this before this interview right now? Do you
plan on doing any more interviews after this?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Probably? I mean probably the main thing now is to
try to find I want to I want to put
down a lot of what happened in all the countries
I was in and just just describe my sort of
a report, but possibly slightly poetic, but it'll be it'll
be an interesting thing to write. I've already got most

(38:59):
of the I've got an outline down and stuff like that.
But will I do more interviews? I guess it just
seems depends on what happens after this. I mean, I
would prefer that I can just talk and not have
people up my wazoo about every little thing that I say.
I mean, I'm not. There are so many other people

(39:23):
who have more powerful, louder voices than me. Like, it's
not I'm not unless you want me to be I can't.
I can't threaten your hegemony at all, any of you,
you included mister Opperman. It's just there's nothing I can
do to anybody. So I don't understand why I have
no I have no actual power other than the power

(39:45):
that you want to give me. So as far as
doing more interviews, this is, uh, this is more uncomfortable
than I thought it would be, not not because of you,
but just because of how I'm used to saying whateverever
it is I want to say, and this that has
gotten me bitten. I got bit. So I would love

(40:07):
to sit here and say it was awesome. I mean,
parts of it were awesome. It's just like, wow, this
is almost it was almost worth coming here to see
this crazy whatever.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Was going on.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
But overall, it's just a it's it's not a not
a not a good thing, and it's it's worse than
it needs It's really worse than it needs to be.
So am I going to do more interviews? Probably? I
would like to talk a little bit more about how
I see America now that that is a that that

(40:37):
is a jewel of a thought. As far as I'm concerned,
just you don't know what America is until they won't
let you come home. You just don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
I gotta tell you, I think my next guest might
stirs to agree with you.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
A bet man.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
He got to ten years on some very basic, trumped
up political charges. But but let me ask you what
one now, you plan to write a book about this.
But if you have a five year gag order, a
criminal gag order, how do you plan on doing that?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Well, there's ways that there's ways that you can duck
and dodge around that I can always behave with a
certain amount of sensitivity. A good writer can always paint
the picture without incriminating themselves. And then you can always
change names and stuff like that. But that those parts
of the book, I haven't really thought that much about

(41:30):
the the other parts of the book. That the Italian
parts of the book and the some of the stuff
I experienced there that I think that and some of
my history would eat up a large portion of it.
I mean, I can, I can play up whatever angle
that I want to. My main thing is I don't
want obviously don't want any more trouble out of anybody.
It's just like, come on, guys, really, and I shouldn't

(41:54):
even be. I feel like in that I just said,
guy that I'm speaking, They're going to say I'm harassing them.
It's like, it's true I used to listen to this
radio program, just like it was your choice to listen
to the radio program that they played in the court.
But a moment, I'm behaving much differently now than I
did that. I was very upset that they had targeted

(42:14):
my poor mother and and and caused them stress and distress,
and then sticking me in prison. I made a lot
of people worry about me. You should see the stack
of letters I got. Charlie Veach came to visit me.
He wrote to me a bunch of times. I wrote
to him. I got more emails I got. I bet
I got more personal emails in four months than most

(42:38):
people get in several years. I mean, there was a
stack of emails they'll print out and give to you
as handwritten letters, type letters. I got letters from Alaska, Romania,
all around England, people back home. It was that part

(43:01):
of it was cool. It was like, look, you didn't
completely isolate me, So let me ask.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
You us, Rupert, what do you plan on doing now
that people can find you on Facebook?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Rupert with your middle name? What's your middle name?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Again?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
You can find Rupert quaintance and you can look up
Ruper acquaintance. There's a My picture is a sword, angel
wings and a skull. That's like my little insignia. Now
it's sort of a nod to England and to Rome.
You can find me there. You can also find me
at Hyatt's Rupert on Facebook. You can you can always

(43:36):
message me there. I checked my messages and stuff and like, yeah,
there's uh oh what do you hear me?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yes, we hear you. What do you have planned? What
do you plan on doing next with your wife?

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Oh? I'm gonna do a bit of traveling. Uh, there's
I have a lot of footage from this trip, so
I want to try to could you give me Could
you hang on that for just a second. We're almost
We're almost done here. You have about two ten minutes only. Uh,
my compatriot has joined me. He's right now. I am

(44:14):
just uh visiting with friends and waking up in a
place that I'm familiar with and trying to feel normal.
I mean I was homesick after week two in Rome.
I mean I was I was massively homesick by then,
but you know I had, I had made the plans
I said I I said I'd do my best, So
I tried to do my best to because when it

(44:37):
comes down to it, we're just trying to save the world,
and unfortunately some people got caught in the crossfire. No,
no offense intended. It's just you just just look at
it like that, like I'm just a dummy who wants
people to feel free. And that's that's really all it is.
It's not it's not all this that you made it
out to be.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Let me ask you, anybody, are there any questions that
I haven't asked you that you'd like to do? Get out?

Speaker 3 (45:01):
You've done a good job, by the way. You know,
I don't know what I would ask me. I think
I would want to get really into some of the
topics that I'm not supposed to get into. But the
only thing that I can say about that is just
look at what they did to me. I don't have
to say anything. Look at what they did to me,
like it's completely over the top, unnecessary and what would.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
You like to leave us with. It's just that you
think that you were overcharged due to these a online
is this is this show almost over. Yeah, I want
to wrap up some stuff here when you because I
have another guests coming up.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
All right, well, how about been a decent guest at least?

Speaker 1 (45:41):
No, you're fine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Is there anything I want to leave you with? Yeah,
I don't know. I don't, I don't, I hate goodbye.
Anything I want to leave you with is that everybody
who lives in America and might be soured towards America,
you really don't know what you have on your hands.
This this place is it's trying to circle the drain.
But I would, I would strongly suggest that everybody take

(46:06):
pride in free speech. If somebody's speech offends you, just
be glad you live in a country where there's not
like a group of people that will swarm on your house,
kidnap you, and steal your stuff because it's something you said,
unless you're outright threatening people, which you're not supposed to do.
But just just remember, like if you walk into a

(46:27):
Sam's club. I know people don't like that corporate kind
of stuff, but I was just in a Sam's Club today.
Anybody outside our borders that has a problem with America,
just walk into a Sam's club. That's amazing. There's there's
there's there's just chickens sitting there for like sub five dollars,
just a whole chicken. You could just get it and

(46:47):
put it in your cart and take it home and
eat it seasoned and cooked and all that kind of stuff.
It's it's just yeah, we yeah, you got two two.
We got two chickens when we went in there today.
There's just so much stuff about this country that makes
it great. Yeah. Maybe we have fewer years than other countries,
and we don't have quote unquote culture. We didn't inherit

(47:09):
all these really old buildings that we get to act
like we built. But you know, just because we don't
have that doesn't mean that we don't have a helpful,
interesting culture. I would say us at our worst is
better than anybody else at their best. And that's just
that's not just flag waving. I've been out there, I've
stuck my nose in it. This is the best place.

(47:31):
It might suck, sometimes it might turn into a grind, but.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
It is.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
You don't want to see what it's like out there,
and I just hope that people can that will take
that away from my message.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Okay, Rupert, thank you so much. If anything comes up
in this situation that you need to get back on
the air, just give me a quote and we'll put
your right back on.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Okay, thank you. Be sure to be in touch with
me as two reactions to this, because that'll kind of okay.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
We got to tell the good stuff though, Man, I'm
gonna let you get in tell me the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Anybody else out there who hates me just trying to fight,
I love you like I love you as a human being,
no matter who you are, So just chill out on me, like,
talk it out so true.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Man, this could all just blow over. Everybody leave each
other alone. Nobody bickering or fighting. If you don't like Rupert,
just leave alone, Okay, move on, Okay, thank you so much, Rupert.
Thank you Ed Rupert. You can find them on Facebook
and also to Rupert's looking for a publisher because he
wants to publish a story.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Uh it's.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
We.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
We had to leave out a lot of names and
stuff with with this story, hey, which you couldn't get
really the facts of what you This is a huge
controversy that's been going on in the UK. That's it
was on YouTube, allegations of child abuse and child molestation
or ring of child abuse. Like I said, I had
the parents on the show here and I found them

(48:55):
that I ultimately I did not find them to be credible.
What's the I know what Rupert's talking about, the harassment
the online is stalking and harassment that he was subjected to,
because so was I and so was other people that
we know. And what I found is with this whole situation,
it's the Hampstead case and people you can look that up,

(49:17):
and it was such a bizarre situation, and I stayed
away from it for the most part. But one thing
I want to get out there for people to understand
is there's an agenda with this case. And I've seen
this agenda go on with other cases as well, like
right now with the whole Corey Feldman Corey Haym thing.
The same thing is going on with these cases where

(49:39):
they have these organized trolls who might even be paid
bots or paid trolls.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
On both sides.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
There's sock puppets, there's fake accounts, there's fake likes, there's
fake retweeting, and it always seems to be about these
most station cases, like there's people that there's there's something
or someone out there with an agenda trying to cause
chaos around these kind of cases. Now, our friend there, Rupert,
he got caught in the jackpot, you know, you know,

(50:07):
no fault of his own. He got caught up and
things and wound up paying the price and paying the
burden for it. So but although and I think his
heart was always in the right place, I think it
was always not there trying to do good, trying to
stand up.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
For what was right.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Okay, And we do live in a country where we
can fight back and forth. Like just like like this group,
this crazy group out there with this uh this message
board that they have out there that are just non
stop trolling and stalking people, they do have a right
to free speech as well.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
And just like Rupert didn't want to wind up in
prison over there, we don't want it to. We don't
understand these people to prison either, because it is just talk.
It is just words on the internet until things get
out of hand and wind up. Like I said, with
that case I have done in Florida or other cases.
I had another case but then now I'm and stalked

(51:00):
over where we actually violated this woman's probation. We got
her put back in prison, and now her lawyers and
her investigators are now coming after me, you know, because
I investigated the case, you know, and my god, if
you would see the pictures of this woman's here a mugshots,
she's totally insane. And even with the in my case,

(51:21):
this woman, even with out the probation violation charges which
which we got a violated on she was impersonating a
police officer, she had other charges. She's gonna be in
prison forever anyway. So but anyway, but I got to
face dealing with that. So it is good of people
to just kind of live and let live. Let's put
it that way. My next guest can get the reverend

(51:43):
Ed Pinkney and we're gonna be talking about his case.
It's funny and it's interesting too with Rupert as Rupert
used to have the spot before Mind, and the other
guy who had the spot before Mind was Sewan David Morton,
who also wound up in prison. A case of maybe
it's not a lucky it's not a lucky time lot
to have before the Opperaman report. But don't forget if

(52:03):
you're here in the Las Vegas area, if you're gonna
be here on Monday, February fifth, I'm gonna be a
thirty eighty one South Maryland Parkway eight nine one zero nine.
Also later on today, I'm gonna be live on the
John Pounders Show. He's gonna be interviewing me, and I'm
gonna be talking about again pretty much the same stuff

(52:25):
I'm gonna be talking about over on Maryland Parkway on Monday,
I'm gonna be talking about the McMartin the updates in
the McMartin case we have, which is in my member
section by the way, too. We just updated the member
section as well, where we've added a show from this
woman Nikki, who believes that she has met some of
the members of these Smiley Faced Killers. She was homeless

(52:45):
up there in Wisconsin and ran into this group of
traffickers and cult members who were taking advantage of people,
and she believes firmly that these people are behind these
Smiley Faced killings and at least part of of the
Smiley Faced killings. So we have that updated in our
members section at Oppermanreport dot com. Okay, coming to play

(53:07):
around on the John Pounder Show. It's on You See
Why that You See Why channel. That's where he is,
and it's gonna be about three o'clock to say afternoon.
A couple of hours said, well, it's a Thursday after No, no,
no one's gonna hear it. Okay, So coming up next
is going to be the reverend ed Pinkney. He's out
of prison himself. I did thirty months here in the US.
By the way, too, Rupert was talking about SAMs Club.
I don't want endorse Sabs Club whatsoever. Okay, everybody stay

(53:29):
out of Sam's Club. The last thing we want to
be doing is supporting the Walton family or the Walmart
corporation that is destroying the economy of this country. So,
while I love Rupert, I would suggest that everyone listening
to this show state a hell out of Sam's Club,
because all it does is put people out of work
and pour more money into the hands of this Walton family,

(53:50):
which is the last thing we want right now. With
Trump and his new tax proposal to eliminate the estate tax,
we're going to be putting fifty billion dollars into the
hand into these five members of the Walton family who've
never worked a day in their life, don't pay any
taxes whatsoever, and had never created a job. These are
people that inherited their wealth. They today they possessed forty

(54:10):
percent of this country's wealth, and now we're going to
be giving them another fifty billion dollars, which is outrageous.
The last thing you ever want to do is set
foot in a Walmart or a Sam's Club. That's the
last place you want to go. I've been boycott and
Walmart now for a good seven years, and I went
and step foot in a damn place in destroying economy
of this country. And we'll get Reverend Pinckney to talk

(54:32):
about that. So anyway up, also to updated in the
members section, I got two shows, one that was interviewed
by Pierce Redmond, another one by Chuck o'chelly, and another
one by Sherry Wisdom, all former hosts here at American
Freedom Radio. And I'm talking about my exclusive reporting on
the Stormy Daniel's case, her connection to Donald Trump, and

(54:52):
how I've been talking about this case way back since
July twenty sixteen. I know all the people involved, These
the lawyers I refer people to, these are agents I've
dealt with in the past, so I know the whole
situation with these Stormy Daniels check that out and I
guess we have one more minute. Okay, let's see what

(55:12):
else I gotta do. There we go.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Thank you.

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Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Okay, welcome back to the Opperman Report. I'm your host,
private investigator at Opperman and I want to thank Alaskaest,
the Rupert quaintance. Finally he's out as freeman. Thank you
so much, Rupert. And now we got the reverend Ed Pinkney,
another free man. God bless you, Reverend.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
He believe me. And I see when people talk to
you to end up going to jail. Can you tell
me why is that it? I got a problem with
you always said to me to jail.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
I don't even get their reward money, man, the reward.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
You gotta apply for the reward money.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
It's still up there, reverend. But we got some new lessoners.
And why don't you remind you people who is the
reverend ed Pinky.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Reverend Edward Pinckney. I'm the past of God Hosts of Faith.
I'm the executive director and president of BANKO, the Black
of Towny Network Menia organization. And what I do I
fight for the people. I stand for the people. I
live for the people. And that's really what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
And that website's banco bh dot org right b h
DH banco dot org bh Banco dot org. I'll have
a link to that in the in the the comments there.
So Reverend, remind everybody real quick what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
And they caught you up on some stupid charges. Uh
in a Mary, you know I was talking about last week.
Let me tell you what happened. I talk about you
all the time, you know, I did always good. We
had a guest down. We were talking about uh Shata
shakur okay and and the guests were saying, Oh, yeah,
the Coen Tell program, it's pretty much over now and
and everything. I says, what I got a friend up

(01:02:37):
in Benton Harbor, Michigan. They gave him two to ten
years as activists because of some dates on a piece
of paper were wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
You know, I tell you, I tell you that that
is really one that's a story that have to get out.
But let me let me talk about it just a
little bit, because is it's important that people understand that
there is no such thing as democracy anymore here in America.

(01:03:08):
My my case was that we was trying to recall
the mayor of Benton Harbor. He was a puppet for
Worldpool Corporation. And by him being a puppet for Worldpool Corporation,
he we had to figure out the way how we

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were how we were going to get rid of him.
And so what we did we did a recall on him,
and Worldpool didn't like it. The sheriff department didn't like it,
and they decided to send the sheriff department out to

(01:03:50):
arrest me. And fortunately for me, they said the squat
team and when they said the squat team out for
get me, they surrounded my house. I'm fortunately for them,
I was not at home. I had taken my wife

(01:04:11):
out to dinner. It was her birthday, April twenty fourth,
twenty twenty fourteen. And what happened was that they came,
and they came basically to do bodily harm. Because you
didn't need a squat team to arrest me. And we're

(01:04:37):
doing good. Can you hear me? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I hear you, great brother?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Oh okay. Because it's important for people to understand that
they could have called me on the phone and I
would have came in and surrendered to them. But rather
than sending a squat team to my house. Matter of fact,
they had my whole block surrounded. And remember this is

(01:05:02):
a recall petition, a non violent incident, but instead they
decided to make it violent as possible. That's why they
sent the squat team to my home. And I just
thank god that I had the opportunity to leave before

(01:05:22):
they got there. And who would believe today that they
will sent a squawking to someone home or recall petition.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Wait wait, let's not forget to remind the people you're
a reverend right, and also too, and also too. How
old are you sixty seven years old?

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Right? I'm sixty nine now, but I was sixty sixty
six at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
What's going on? What is going on in this country?
It's crazy, it's crazy. But you had a long history
of activism up there in the Benton Harbor, Michigan. It's
such sincere activism with the reverend ed Pinktin here that
he turned his back on the NWACP. He told them
to stick it, you know what I mean, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
And once again, uh Worldpool controlled the NAACP. See, they
told the NAACP. I was president of the NAACP at
that time, and they told the NAACP that if you
want to continue to receiving funds from me, that you
would have to eliminate Reverend Edward Pinkney. And and remember

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the vice president of Whirlpool, of the mayor of Bend
To Harbor, the High Tower guy, and one other guy
named Marcus Robinson went to see the NAACP to try
to eliminate me. So you know, this was some heavy,
heavy stuff that they had, bringing the vice president of

(01:06:55):
the end of the vice president of Whirlpool to talk
about eliminated ever picking me from the indo ACP. And
so they told him, punt blank, if you want this
money that we're going to continue to give you, you're
gonna have to get rid of the Reverend Network paid
and that's final. So it's it's amazing story, ed, But

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who would believe it? The int ACP.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I believe it. I believe it because you know what
happens with these organizations that become too mainstream and they're
looking for the for the payout, they're looking for the
hand you know what I mean, They're looking for their
donations and they don't want them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Now, you were talking to when I had you on
the show the first time because you had this case
pending and uh, but since that time, this whole scandal
about the water up there in Michigan, Flint, Michigan came up.
Now you were talking about the problems with the water
even before it hit the news. You were talking about
it on my show before it hit the news. What
can you tell us about that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah? Absolutely, and and and and here's the thing in
reference to that, we we got that Jack and his
signature was here in the city of ben To Harbor.
And what Whirlpool did they spiced into our water supply
to water the golf course and it contaminated our water.

(01:08:12):
And the only way we found out that they had
spliced into our water supply was that the part the
pipe busted and when we had to call out a
repair man to fish it and he discovered, he told
the story. The reason that the that your water is
containing busted is because somebody has spiced into your water supply.

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And it was Whirlpool Corporation and the golf course a
combination of both.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
So now so Wirlpool and it is Warpool is a
big rich company and the golf course is a big
Was it a Trump golf course?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
By the way, Jack Nicholas, I think at that time
Jack Nicholas made have been bigger than Trump, you see.
But but now it's a whole different story when you're
talking about that Trump story. You know, but if it
was Trump, a golf course, the court the golf course
be lying you see. So, so I don't think it's

(01:09:13):
a golf it's a Trump golf court because you know
it's not out right, lion, Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Hey, So let me ask a question. And so you
go in to prison with there for thirty months. God
bless you man. But when you went in, this whole
Trump thing wasn't even a dream, wasn't even an idea,
right we're talking about Trump running.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Absolutely not. We had no idea that that that we
would get a Donald Trump uh into the White House
or even be running. I had no idea that he
would even run. I had no idea that anybody would
vote for him. You see. My my question to everybody else,
what kind of person would actually vote for vote vote

(01:09:51):
for Donald Trump? What kind of person would do something
like this? You see. So that's that's really my biggest thing,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
So what happened, You went to prison, and the rest
of the country we lost our minds because we didn't
have Reverend Pinkney keeping an eye on us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Well, somebody had to keep my eye on the issues
and the problem that exists not only inventing Harbor but
around the country, which is which is one of the
things that you know that we have to understand how
important it deal to stay focused and don't get sidetried.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Now, you got a trip coming up to California. You're
gonna be speaking out there something.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Yes, I will I'll be in I'll be in La
the fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth, and seventeenth. Then I'm going down
to Merset, Michigan, and then I'm going to Sacramento, and
then I'm going to the Bay Area.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
And Okay, when you're you're in La Michigan and in
the Bay Area, and people can look up these states.
It's on on bhbanco dot org. Right, it will be
on there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
It's not on there as of yet, but they will
be on there Monday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Gotcha. Okay, So now you thank god you're out. Man,
Why don't you give you some idea some kind of
the prison conditions that you were dealing with while you
were in there for this non violent, ridiculous charge of
some dates being incorrect on a recall petition.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Well, one of the things that's important here is that
when when I first went to prison, they had the
idea they set me up to a Marquette, Michigan, which
is about five hundred miles from my home and Darren can.
Then they was trying then to figure out a way

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how they're going to keep me in prison for the
whole ten years. One of the things that happened, which
is truly truly important is that they cut off my
communication with my wife. And once they cut that off,
they accused me of making a three way call. Right

(01:12:02):
normally you were you know, if I did make one
of it be thirty days, but they gave me one
hundred and eighty days, one hundred and eighty days without
communication with the outside world. And remember I'm over five
hundred miles from our home. Then I had a visit

(01:12:24):
from a young man gave his soul right right, and
he came to visit me. He flew up there the
CB and what happened was he was taking notes as
we were, as we were talking, and on this way out,
on this way out, the sergeant and the lieutenant asked

(01:12:47):
him for his notes. And at first he said that
he had no intention of giving them his notes, even
though there was nothing on there that that would incriminate
me or him or anybody else. But he said that
the way they asked for it like they was forcing
him to actually give him the notes, which he had

(01:13:10):
permission to come in and take notes. So now they
took it well. They told him he was still behind
bars himself. Now they told him that he was not
going to be able to leave unless you give up
those notes. And and that's when all the everything just

(01:13:30):
bro broke loose. Then they put me in handcuffs and shock.
It took me to the hole. And I had no
idea what I had did wrong, what could I possibly
do wrong? And and didn't have no knowledge of it.
So when I got to to UH to the whole,

(01:13:55):
you know, you shackled together, you walk, and you know,
your legs showed you you shot the waist. And I
couldn't figure out what could I have found wrong to
have me to be sent to the hole. And by
the hour after they placed me in a hole, they
said that they charged me with smuggling. And the reason

(01:14:21):
they charged me with smooling because they and and when
I looked at it, I said, smoggling. How do you smoogle?
You see? And and before that day that next morning,
I'm trying to figure out how do you smoogle? And

(01:14:45):
UH they was picking it out out front to UH
Northern Michigan University professors and UH David soul and UH
and some other folks. They was hitting in the front
in the person. This has never been done in the
history of the Prison of Marquat. It's the oldest prison

(01:15:05):
in Michigan. I think Jackson might be a little older,
but I'm not really positive. But they classified this as
the oldest prison in the state of Michigan, and nobody
in all those years have ever picket that prison over
one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Let me ask the question the smuggling charges. What were
they accusing you of smuggling?

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I have no idea today of what they was accusing
me of smuggling. What could I possibly have smuggled in
there and out of there? I'm thinking it's the notes, Yeah,
that I was. I was that he was taken and
and they you know, when they confiscated, but they didn't

(01:15:49):
they couldn't take his notes, but they made a copy
of them and gave them back to him. So they
was using that as evidence that I did something wrong.
But unfortunately for them, they didn't realize there's no such
charge as smuggling. As smoggling, yeah, I don't know how

(01:16:10):
to smoogle, and and everybody was saying, well, he was smuggling,
you know. And they kept me in the whole day, uh,
for about maybe four or five days, and then they
realized that they had charged me with smuggling, so they

(01:16:31):
let me out of the hole, and I had to
go see a guy that he was the They called
him a judge, but he wasn't no judge, he was
a hearing officer. So they called me all over the
compound that the judge want to see me, and I said,

(01:16:51):
I don't know. There ain't no judge coming all the
way up here to see me, you know, So I
never went. So now about six office will come and
take me to see the judge, who is only the
hearing offs. So I told him, I said, you should
have said hearing off. So I know, no judges coming
up here to see me. And when I went in there,

(01:17:13):
it was it was it was like a real courtroom too.
It was so dramatic. Uh listen, it was so dramatic.
I stepped in there and I hit the judge with
a deuce. I dropped a deuce on from the start.
I told him that you have to dismiss this, and
he said. He looked at me and said why. I said,

(01:17:34):
because I don't know how to smoogle. He said, spoogle.
I said, yeah, I said, they got me down for smoogling.
He says, sure he is, he said, he said, it
just he is spoggling, And I said, I don't know
how to spoogle he said, he said, yeah, this he

(01:17:55):
is smooking. But then he dropped the ball on me.
He said, I I don't care nothing about no evidence.
He said. I don't convict people on evidence. I convict
people on how I feel. Got some huge, very interesting
I said, but this is smuggling, he said. I said,

(01:18:17):
there's no such charge as smuggling. He said, I just
told you there's no You know, I don't. I don't
go by itever, just I go out be high, feeble
and listen. So I told him, I said, you look
like you feel pretty good today, and he smiled and said,

(01:18:38):
matter of fact, I do feel pretty good. And that's
when I knew I had a good chance of winning.
Because you never ever ever win these cases, never, no
matter what happened, you do not win these cases because they,
like he said, he rule on how he feel. He
ruled on how you look when you come in here,

(01:18:59):
he rule on how you act.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Rev.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
And a lot of people you'll hear a lot of
people say, they say, all these guys in prison, they
got it so easy. They got the color TVs and
three meals and stuff the cable TV that I don't have.
And also too they'll say, well, how can we have
to pay to have them live such great lifestyles. Can
you give us an idea how much money is wasted

(01:19:23):
in the prison system through graft and corruption and all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Well, here's the thing. First, air Mark, the food was privatized.
It was the worst food that you could ever serve
a person. And what I mean by the worst food
you had You had magnets in the food. You had
bugs in the food, you had the potato ones in

(01:19:51):
the potatoes, you had rotten food. You had the worst
food set. The food don't kill you while you in there,
but once you get out, it started eating away at
your intestments. And that's how bad the food was. This
is what they did to me. They put me in
a control area that was molded and was snapping all

(01:20:15):
my strength away. It was eating me up from the
inside out. And like I said, I had lost maybe
I know, maybe thirty five pounds in probably less than
a month. And the condition itself. You have to talk
about the color of TV. See you pay for the
color TVs yourself. The TV is paid for you. The

(01:20:38):
cable TVs is paid for you. Everything, the cable is
paid for you. Prison of all this stuff you see,
And but most people don't know that because the warden
get a kickback on all this stuff. And most people
don't quite understand the condition itself. Being in prison is

(01:20:58):
no pick they get in the park for the simple
reason how they treat you. If you don't have family
on the outside helping you, you know, you'll starve to
death in prison. You're sleeping on the metal beds and
the medal is tagged the bones up, eating your bones up.

(01:21:19):
Right now, my hip right now is still sore from
being in prison, from laying on that metal. So so
you're talking about the conditions. The condition is not good
inside the prison system, you know. And I tell you
this much. When someone talk about how good a person
got in prison, he's never been to prison. You don't

(01:21:41):
know nobody who ever been to prison. And most people
when they go to prison, when they get out, they
don't want to talk about it, so they don't want
people to know that they've been in the prison. I
want everybody to know that I've been to prison, and
that way we can probably prevent other people from going
through the same thing that happened to me, which is

(01:22:03):
so so important. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Almost everybody though, does know someone that's been involved in
the criminal justice system. I think it's one out of
five people right now are either in jail, prison, probation,
or some kind of court supervised program. So just about
everybody knows somebody who's who was caught up in this industry. Uh,
that's a slavery industry really when you when you really

(01:22:31):
get down to because they're taken away your freedom sometimes
on very very basic, uh charges that we just had
a guest on just before you got caught up in
the UK, I was basically having an argument on the
internet with some people in the UK, and they put
them in prison over there for four months. Okay, so
I got an argument online. But now it gives an

(01:22:54):
idea like if I want to buy something, let's say
a dollar's worth of potato chips on the outside, what
do I pay for it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
On insight? Gonna you're gonna pay two dollars and thirty
nine cent for a bag of chips, and the chips
is really the seventy nine cent bag of chips that
you get out out here it's the smaller bag, but
they cost two dollars because you're just happy to have
a bag of chips. You see, everything is just out

(01:23:21):
double or triple inside the prison system. Most people don't
realize it. And you was talking earlier about everybody knows
is one out of five people that you know been
in prison. But when people get out of prison, they
do not talk about being prison. Refuse you can use

(01:23:42):
to somebody about well out of prison, and they will
never talk about prison. And that's one of the things
the weapons I want to use while I was in
prison to make people start talking about prison when you
get out. Tell people about the prison system, let them
know the condition, and let them know that it's not
what people think it is. They claim you got a

(01:24:03):
color TV. Yes you do, but if you can't afford
to buy one, you're not. You don't have one. You're
without a color TV cable. The cable money comes from
you buying that food, that expensive food. The more the
more you buy, like a little bag of tuna fish
costs three dollars ninety nine cent, you know, but you

(01:24:25):
have you'll buy it because you don't want to eat
that food. So the conditions is almost unheard of. You know,
unless you understand system itself, you have to figure out
a way. If you don't have nobody on the outside,
you can almost starve the death inside the prison.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
And what about things like soap and toothpaste and long
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
You have to pay for it. And you paying a
cocaine that four six ounces or whatever it is, you're
paying almost four dollars and fifty cents. And I think
it's our here it was two dollars or something.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Oh, forget it. You can go to a dollar store.
You can go to a dollar star and get it too,
with toothpaste and that I don't know what toothpaste? Yeah,
using over there, But I can get a dollar went down.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
But inside the prison system, everything you get is either
doubled or triple because say no, you need it and
you want it so And that's what that's what I'm
referring to when I talk about you have to have
money to be inside the prison system. You cannot go
inside the prison system broke. If you do, you're gonna

(01:25:30):
starve to death.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Now what about they're making money too on transporting prisons around,
just put them on buses and driving them around what's
the story with that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Absolutely and doing the process if like, okay, they took
me to Marquette, Michigan, five hundred miles, five hundred miles,
it took us two days to get there. These guys,
they they were driving around in a circle trying to
eat up the time. They took a lunch break. They

(01:26:00):
took a lunch break, a two hour lunch break, they
took a regular break an hour and were still sitting
on the bus on them hard seats. And believe me,
the ride up for two days on a on a bus,
we will definitely damage you, man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
And that's because the transportation. They got private companies running
the transportation, right, so they're making a profit over this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
They making a big plan, big profit, big time profit.
And what they do they have you shackled on the bus.
And you know, even me being an unsecured level one,
they had me shackled on the bus. And and usually
you know, you could just supposed to be just sitting

(01:26:46):
on the bus. You don't have to be shackled if
you unsecure level one because they figure you're not going
no way anyway because you're going home, you know. But
what they do they try to degrade you so much,
and and and try to reduce these the lowest terms,
and then they don't ever try to build your back up.

(01:27:07):
That's why people return to prison so often, because they
reduce them so low out here that they can never
never get back to their normal selves.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
And what about the night you're on a parole, your
parole office, you gotta go see Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
A matter of fact, monday, I saw yesterday also, but
that was because she's been awful time to me. She's
been good to me. Wherever I want to go, whenever
I want to go, UH is available. She she she
understands who I am, what I am, and she also
understands that it's important uh to be you know, to

(01:27:44):
have communication, open the lands of communication. And UH I
like it. I you know, I enjoy her and never
give me a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
But now, what about like your civil rights while you're
on parole? Do you have the regular civil rights? Is
the average person? Or can they come in and search
your home like on probation?

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Oh? Absolutely, If they wanted to come in and search
my home, take take my computer or whatever it is
they you know, there's nothing I could do. I can't
stop them. Be go. That's part of the provision of
the parole that they can do whatever they want to do.
If they feel like, if I go over there to
the alltars they want to strip search me, they can

(01:28:24):
strip search me. They can do whatever they want to do.
It don't make no If she decided that, oh, you
can't go to California, then I can't go to California.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
So everyone should just stop and think that. Here we
have Reverend Pinky right now, sixty nine years old. He
looks about twenty five. He looks good, looks at twenty
nine years old. I always say, come on, you know
I'm weak. Maybe's sixty nine years old. And this man
was someone someplace in their heads said, this man is
such a dangerous society that we got to take him
away from his friends, take him away from his family,

(01:28:56):
put him in a prison, shackled and chained, no food,
no treating, my crap. And then even now, well he's
still he let him out. Okay, let's let him out
thirty months later. But still we got to keep an
eye on him, you know what I mean, and take
away your civil rights and search his own What could
what this guy?

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
What could he be?

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
What danger can Reverend think me other than other than
he wants justice.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
He wants justice for working people like you. And let
me get Let me come and see when I got
ready to get my parole. Now listen to this. Now,
it's a non violent crime. All the kind of stuff
they wanted me to see a sight and just do
what the sight said. The reason you seeing me, nobody

(01:29:45):
sacrificed himself for people anymore. You have to be crazy
or something got to be wrong with you mentally to
go out here and try and help people who won't
help themselves. And I looked at her because I never
I don't look at it like that. I'm looking at

(01:30:05):
it at fighting for the future, to make sure nobody
else have to go through what I've been through. That's
how I do things. And it blew her mind because
she could not believe that someone will come into her
office and say that you are that that I'm for
the people and it's not about Reverend Pintoney.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Well, now that you're out, okay, you're rehabilitated. Now that
you're out, you know, I hope you I hope they
didn't change it off. Yeah, now, but now that you're out,
are you bitter?

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
You have you're taken to the bottle.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Have you are?

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
You're bitter and now you're you don't want to help
people anymore. What are you doing now that you're out, Reverend?

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
You know what, I'm not bitter. It comes with the territory.
You have to understand that. You know, when when I
decided to go out here and want to make a difference,
want to help people, things are gonna happen. Anything could happen.
These people are serious, you see. They will do anything

(01:31:08):
to protect their interest and that means sending me to prison.
But here's the good news. I've been very, very fortunate.
A group out of Chicago bought this big church in
school for me and gave me the keys and say
this belongs to you now. And what I'm doing now,

(01:31:29):
I'm setting up programs for the community so we can
have electricians, plumbers, pipe fitters, confroners, and we're gonna teach
people how to go and apply for a job if
they want a job. And it's so remarkable. We're gonna
teach garden, We're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna show people

(01:31:51):
how to survive in this world. And and we're gonna
do what we can to make this thing happen. And
we've been very, very very successful so far. The place
is beautiful, is you know, it need a little work though.
The guy told me that it need a roof, and
the roof costs twenty five thousand dollars to and it's leaking.

(01:32:17):
It's leaking on that side, yes it is. But you
know one thing, I got faith that this thing's gonna
work out and I'm gonna be able to raise the
twenty five thousand put this into operation. I believe that
right now that this job is so important for me
to get out here and do this, that it's gonna happen.

(01:32:40):
And I believe it's going to happen, and I'm working
to make sure it's happened. That's what I'm doing here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Let me answer a question. Twenty five thousand for a roof,
have you considered just buying some umbrellas and just handed
it to the guys they come in. You know, there's
a lot of cheaper that twenty one thousand, You.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Know what, that would be a good idea, was his
only one problem? You know when it rained, Uh, if
it's set there too long, it'll mold, it'll clo You
have to close it down. And this is what the
establishment will want to happen. They want me to fail,
and they're doing everything in their power to make sure

(01:33:19):
that Reverend pick me to not be successful. Why should
he go out and train people to become electricians, plumbers, pipefitters, encomposers.
That's unheard of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Now, let me as a couple of questions. You have
this building. Does the building have a mortgage on it?
Or you got the building free?

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
No, it has mortgage, but they're paying for the mortgage,
so they they're the only thing I got to do
right now, fix that rule, take care of the heating,
lights and water, and you know, and fix it the
way I want to fix it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Okay. And is it a going operation right now? Is
are there a student? Is there a church service going on?
Or it's empty?

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
That is not going to happen until April April. That's
that's we target April for the for the school to open.
Then we target like June for the church. So we
want to get that church the school running first. Which
is the roof is not leaking on that side, okay,

(01:34:24):
but the roof is leaking inside the church. And and
that's you know that pierced my heart because I want
to make sure that the church is okay. The church
gotta be okay to me. Is it teachs the school
running to me? So that's what that's where we at there.
But uh, the other side the night, we got a

(01:34:45):
little chapel there that we we've been working on that.
Matter of fact, before I came here today, we was
down there working on it, trying to make sure we
get it up, get it ready for February. About the
middle of February, we'll be ready to roll on that.
That's what we trying to do now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Is this gonna be a school for kids like a
grammar school or for a vocational school for adults.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
It's gonna be both. It's gonna be after school program
for the children. Okay, well, we're gonna we're gonna teach
them the basis, the the math, the uh, the English
language and and stuff like that. We're gonna teach them
the basis and then with the program the other program
they're going to be done for the more the adults,

(01:35:27):
so we could teach them how to how to be
in business for themselves. Plus if someone is not qualified
to become an electricianal plumper. Then we can teach them
how to go out and apply for a job.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
My church here in Las Vegas, the church I got
saved then on my birthday in the year two, I
was about thirty five years ago. Church I got saved.
In Trinity Life Center. They have something called they had
a school. They had a school, it was like a
high school. Uh, but financially it wasn't running well. So
they turned it into something called the City Impact Center.
And they're doing the same kind of things you are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Job training they do.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
They hand out those jobs or census taking jobs and
stuff like that. They help people fill out their tax returns,
if someone wants to get a HUT application. They do
all that stuff for home ownership classes, all that same
kind of stuff you're doing now. They were able to
do this even though they're at church. They were able
to get funding from the city and the state and
all kinds of funding because it's a different corporation, it's

(01:36:24):
a different company, even though the same people are running it. Now,
how's your thing working on? It's going to be like
a charity, church, faith based or what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Well, here's what we want to do. We're going to
depend on each other to make this happen, because there's
no way the city is going to finance anything I do.
They're just not going to do it. It's even the state.
There's no way the state will give me any funds

(01:36:56):
to do this program because number one, they want me
to fail. Reverend Edward Pinkney cannot be successful at this
whatever we have to do, because now it puts a
whole new spin on Reverend Pinckney where people see me
in a different eye. You see, they tried to demonize me,
make me a terrible person. Oh, he's a terrible person.

(01:37:18):
He tried to sabotize the election. Uh uh uh and
and and most of the time, if if a person
mine is not developed enough to understand that, they would
assume that the newspaper is correct, even though there was
absolutely no evidence to convict me. But if the newspaper
did all they could to convict me. But now I'm

(01:37:41):
out here trying to help the people, and and and
they don't want that to happen. Now they they have
to do another thing.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
You know, this reminds me too. By the way, this
is in Benton Harbor, Michigan. This is where the school's
gonna be Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Is correct, being bent in Harrad, Michigan, close to downtown
Benton Harboro. And they don't like that THESI now and
it's the biggest church in Benton Harbor.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
Oh very good. Now, isn't Michigan one of these places
where there's no heat in the schools and the kids
are sitting in the classrooms with their coats on? Or
is that Baltimore?

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
No, No, that's inventing Harbord, Michigan. Hey, the children had
to wear gloves, hat, coats and boots the school. They
sitting classroom with their hats and coats and boots on
and gloves gotta have gloves on. And because the heating
system was not opera And that's not in one of

(01:38:41):
the schools, that was in several other schools here in
Benton Harbor.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Now, why is that? Why is it so broke up
there in Michigan? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Because they really don't care. Whirlpool Corporation controls our school system.
They control the school board just like they do the
City Commission. Worldpool control everything in this area. I'm talking
about a twenty two billion dollar company controlling everything that
happened in our community. And remember this, a lot of

(01:39:15):
you know, this is one of the poor cities in
the country. We probably have over sixty percent of the
people unemployed. Here, we have close to seventy percent living
low the property level. But yet you got a twenty
billion dollar company here, Whirlpool, and they refuse to even
pay taxes into the community.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Oh boy, do you see any You're always optimistic, You're
always optimistic. But but when we see you know, someone
like Trump come into office, the last people he cares
about is working people, poor people, hungry people. How do
you see us in ten years or five years? Are
you optimistic?

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Still? I'm very optimistic, and I believe that the people
see it. It's see you here's where we missing a point.
It's more of us than them. See, this is where
where we get confused that we don't understand that we
got this thing going on. You see, all we have

(01:40:15):
to do is come together. It don't make a diment
where you black, white, brown, red, yellow, pink, pokadac. If
we came together, we can defeat this, this this mean gun.
Do you know that fifty seven percent of every dollar
fifty seven cent of every dollar that comes into the
federal government is used for military fifty seven cent out

(01:40:37):
of every dollar. That doesn't make any sense to me.
And we got people starving in this country. When will
the people wives up, wise up and say, hey, no more,
we had enough of this government. We need to take
this thing to a whole different level. And we're gonna
do it because it's more of us than you and

(01:40:59):
your group.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
You're Not's amazing. So many people will say, you know
that they're tax one, like you said, fifty centsurary tax
dollars going to the military. But when people concerned about
that they want their taxes cut. It's because they say,
because there's those lazy people that don't work, that are
sitting on welfare and that are getting food stamps. What
do you say to those people?

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
That's a cop out. See a lot of times you
gotta find somebody to beat up on. So they always
beat up on the poor, you see. And the way
they attack the poor, they're saying that they want to
act like they've given the poor people so much given y'all,
and then even like medicaid and Medicare or stuff like that,

(01:41:46):
they're trying to cut that right now, do you know
that four hundred families in this country make ninety seven
thousand dollars an hour, and they refuse the fifteen dollars
an owl to people who work around the country. They
won't do it, and they're mad that these people recalls

(01:42:10):
they won't to make fifteen dollars an Hour's the logic
to that, Yeah, I know, where's the logic that when
someone says, you know, they don't they don't like their
lot in life.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
You know, they're unhappy with their lot in life, so
they want to take it out on someone doing it
less fortunate than themselves. You know, they want they want
to they want more, so they want to take it
from someone who has less than them, someone a little
kid on food stamps. And because somehow these rich like
you said, like the Walton family, there's five members of
the Walton family. They're not going to be getting a
fifty billion dollar tax rebate over here over is the

(01:42:45):
state tax that somehow these people have tricked us into
thinking that it's the poor that have all the money,
although we're broke, because the poor have the money, where's
the money.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
It's easy for them to say that if you think
about it for a second. Let's blame the poor. We're
not gonna blame the rich, are we because that's us,
We're the rich. So we're gonna blame the poor people
who don't have nothing. They're responsible for everything that goes
on to They even responsible for the war that's good

(01:43:24):
that's going on that we're getting ready to create. The
poor people are responsible for. If they wasn't poor, we
wouldn't have no war. There'll be no war, you see.
But it's everything. You blame it on the poor people.
That's what they do. And but here's the bad news though,
the middle class and that one present they accepting the

(01:43:46):
one who even not even in the conversation, anytime that
you accepted, you're just as bad as they are the enemy.
We got to change the way we think ed. We
got to change the way the people. We gotta start doing.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
Things for people.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
It's so true. We got to stop fighting with each other,
you know, standing down on each other and realizing who
our enemy is. And one thing I would say is
boycott Walmart. My God, in our right mind are we
putting money back into the hands of these billionaires who
can't even pay their own workers or living ways that
the workers at Walmart are on food stamps, people working

(01:44:27):
forty hours a week, but they gotta be on food
stamps to feed their family, you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Know, absolutely, because if you're going on to survive, you
gotta work two jobs, yeah, to take care of your family.
When you can just pay a minimum fifteen dollars not
a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
Yeah, here it is. And Reverend, when you were a
young man, did your wife have to work at all?
Or you earned enough to support the whole family? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
No, my wife worked also, she was you know, she
was professional.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
But you know what I mean, like the average family,
like my mom didn't work. You know, when I was
a kid, my dad worked and my mom didn't. Yeah,
because you only needed one income, you know, because it
was a whole different world, you know. And I don't
see things getting better for us. I see each year
incrementally it gets worse and worse for for the working man.
But our salaries don't go up. And that's but the

(01:45:24):
rich I seem to be live in more luxurious lifestyles.
And now we had a billionaire president who well he's
claimed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
A we don't we all open shureing do we see
his income tax?

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
What do you have to say? The working man or
you know who still support mister Trump and say, oh, no,
he's for me. What do you tell him?

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
You know what I mean, that he's mistaken. He's for
the rich and you're not rich. He's for he's against
you because you're poor. That's what you have to tell him.
You have to tell him there, because that's important, because
mister Trump is strictly for the even this tax break.

(01:46:08):
He's talking to this guy getting a tax breaks. He
talking about they cut the one percent from thirty five
percent to twenty one per and these poor people think
it's one of them called they gave him a little
tax break four hundred dollars or whatever it might be,
and they think it's okay. I would tell him he's

(01:46:28):
the biggest fool in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
You just think if you cut the tax on a
lot of these corporations weren't paying thirty five percent anyway,
but you cut the tax on these big rich corporations, man,
you know, and then of course you can afford to
give a guy two hundred bucks. But you know, it's
it's an insult, really, you know, it's an insult.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Now rev people who want to volunteer to help you
get this church up and running. People are craftsmen and
stuff like that who just want to help out and
get involved, will be a teacher or help. How can
I get a hold of you?

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Well here you can also you can if you want
to give a few dollars for me, I would appreciate
any amount. You can go to go find me Reverend
Edward Pinkney, or you can go to PayPal Reverend Edward Paintney.
Or you can mail a check the BANKO B A
n C nineteen forty Union Avenue, Benton Harbor, Michigan, four

(01:47:26):
nine o two two. Let me repeat that, PANKO B
A n C O nineteen forty Union, Benton Harbor, Michigan,
four nine o two two. Or you can call me
at two sixty nine nine two five zero zero zero one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
And you were saying the PayPal is Reverend Edward Pinkney.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
That is correct at Gmail.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
No, just playing at PayPal is just reverde. We're pinky.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
No, it's gotta have an email addressed to it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
Thro it. Well, my email is B A and C
O nine three four two at SBC global dot net.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Yes, right, okay, B A n C O nine three
four two at s b C Global dot net and
people can find all that stuff at bhbanco dot org. Right,
Daniel is correct, okay, and I'll have it. And by
the way, there's a link to bh banco dot org
on operamanreport dot com. It's still up there. Because when

(01:48:39):
our friend was sitting in prison, uh yeah, yeah, you know, man,
I tell you I so many times I said, I said,
you know, and I'm gonna wind up just like Reverend
Pinking's sitting in a prison one day, you know, because
if they could set you up and throw you in there,
you know, just for speaking your mind and resisting, it
can happen to any one of us, you know. But
now I feel good to see out.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
I'll tell you that, and.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
That's a good thing. But also don't forget that they
sent me also the prison for quoting doud around me
twenty eight is time with the fifteen verse, like he
can send the prison for that. They can do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
That's my last question. I wanted to I want you
to tell that story too. They sent you to prison
another time for quoting the Bible. Tell him about that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
It was so dramatic because the judge said that Judondo
me twenty eight, starting with the fifteenth verse, was a
threat on his life, his wife life, his children's life,
and his children children life. He said that that was
a threat, and he got to go, and he these

(01:49:46):
are his words. You know. He was, he was, he was,
he was scared like well he acts like he said,
I don't see how you could be scared from a scripture.
It was wrote in a newspaper. It was wrote in
a newspaper, the People, Trivia newspaper, a small paper out
of Chicago. He had no business reading the newspaper in
the first place. Where is he's doing reading a small
old newspaper out of Chicago. That that's that's almost one

(01:50:10):
hundred miles from h Benton Harbor. And he read it
and he, according to him, it scared him half to death.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
Well, I tell you, I read it in the Bible once.
It didn't bother me one bit.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
See, but it's obvious he was doing things so terrible.
If he wasn't doing thing so terrible and so bad,
he wouldn't have been afraid.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
He felt guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
He felt guilty.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
He said, this must apply to.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Me, absolutely, this must applied to me. He said, Peytey
knows something.

Speaker 9 (01:50:45):
This but this is what they said.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Petey had a connection with God. That's what. That's what.
That's what. The guy is wid the judge that took over,
and they gave him the Jackass of the Year award
for sending me to prison. They say, you know, Buzzball
and and Wiley, they have received the jack heads of
the year. Wore. It was a it was a big platform,

(01:51:09):
you know, and all of them got together and gave
it to them, and uh, they was mad. I mean
it disturbed them because everybody came in, even even the
Catholic Church came in and supported me, which was really unusual.
I didn't think they would, but they did. They rolled
an amica brief might behald.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Oh really okay, God bless them then, okay, very good.
And the other story I love to tell, to tell
Reverend p Bigy. The other one is how you got
a little tool to turn people's water back on when
their water got shut off. They couldn't put their water bilt.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Absolutely. See. One of the things they did here to
people when it was building this golf course. You see,
they wanted to take over the land. And what they
would do if if they tripled the amount that you
pay for water and then people was unable to pay
that bill. So what they would do, they'll cut the
water off. Then they're uh, they'll locate the Human Service

(01:52:09):
Department to come and take your cheerity and condem your house.
So what we because you cannot help live in a
house here in Michigan without water. If you if there's
no water in your house, they can conteal your house
and take your children. So what we used to do
is cut the water back on and you know, and
then you know, cut it back off of the morning

(01:52:29):
so they can have water inside the house. Because that
was crucial and and it would make it so important.
People don't know they can do whatever they want because
we're so divided. Anything that you find people so divided
as this country is, they can do anything they want,
and that's what they're doing, you know, where having nothing. Yeah,

(01:52:51):
this ain't gonna get rough.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
How did we come to a point in society, in
our lives, in this country, richest country in the whole world,
where we're turning people's water off, people that have kids,
old people living in their homes, sick people, and we're
turning their water off for a couple of bucks man.
What it what's become of us? God must be crying
when he looks down at us and he sees this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Well, they're bigger than God. You see, money is they God?
You see? They think with money they can do anything
they want. They can start wars, they can destroy people lives,
they can do whatever they want. They can lock you up,
they can. And think about all the homeless people, all this,
all these homeless people. Why don't why does someone have

(01:53:36):
to go hungry? Why do someone have to be hungry?
And you got a billion dollars more money than you
ever going to spend in your whole lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
You know, when you watch that TV show Hoarders, you know,
and you got someone when you start hoarding newspapers in
your house so TV sets or whatever, the police come
and they make you. They make you clean your house,
you know. Or if you're morbidly obese, they come, they
cut a hole in your wall and they take it
to the hospital. These people are hoarding all the money
in the world, more than they could ever spend. That's
an illness, that's a sickness of mental illness. We need

(01:54:09):
to knock on their door it say it's time to
share brother absolutely and.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Bring a trailer so we can put all the money
in there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Reverend, we're out of time. What do you want to
leave us with? Brother, Hey, I'm want to leave you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
With this people out there. I need twenty five thousand
dollars to pay for this rule. If I can get
this roop, you know I can handle the rest. But
I need people right now who will donate. And you
can go to PayPal, or you can go to go
find me, or you can send me a check BANKO

(01:54:44):
B A n C. O. Nineteen forty Union Avenue, Benon, Harved,
Michigan or nine oz two to two or call me
at two sixty nine nine two five zero zero zero one.
Look at you. Thank you so much, Ed really appreciate it.
And I love being on your show.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
No, thank you, Bridy. I know I love you man,
and so it's good to see you out man. It's
so good to see how because we used to take
calls from the Reverend while he was in there at
the prison on the payphone in there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, God, bless you, Raf, thank you all right,
thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
Good all right, oh man, I tell you gotta love
the reverend painting and so many times in my life.
I said, Uh, you know, if they could put that
man in prison, sixty seven years old and they're gonna
do it, I'm gonna wind up in prison. You know
that's I'm gonna wind up in prison. Just like to
say that all the time. So it feels good to
see him out. So that kind of prison related theme

(01:55:38):
show today Press Rupert quaintans, Uh, who's upset with me?
Because I mentioned the situation but he didn't mention it.
The legal requires he's not allowed to he use a
gag on him. I don't have a gag. I'm act
to anything in the world I want to. And Reverend Pinking,
I was gonna mention all stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
You can reach me two six nine nine five zero
zero zer one if you go to a YouTube or
speaker opera an report. Just google operaingport and see the
description of the show. I'm gonna have the contact information.
He it's twenty five thousand dollars, which is really a
drop in a bucket. I know these people who listen
to this show out there, Wh've got twenty five thousand
years give it if they want to support it. You
got a tax deduction too, Church. I want to come

(01:56:16):
meet me in person, buy a book, punch me in
the nose, do whatever you want. I'm gonna be at
three zero eight one South Maryland Parkway, eight nine, one
zero nine and today if you're listening to this on
a Thursday, if you're listening live right right now, no
one's listening to this live, so I don't even want

(01:56:38):
to even saying that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:39):
But you can catch me.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
I'm gonna be on UCTV and with John Pounder is
gonna be interviewing me about all kinds of stuff, and
to be talking about McMartin the same stuff. Want to
be talking about over it at the thirty eighty one
South Maryland Parkway. Guys, I'm gonna be getting on that
station down there in Florida. Okay, I'm gonna do it
because I got a brand a sponsor coming up. The

(01:57:00):
guy sells tea, and the tea has all these great
qualities and medicinal type qualities. So you're sending me a
bunch of tea. I'm gonna be testing it out, detox
tea and a tea to heal my bed Tommy ache.
Then be testing on these teas and then he's gonna
sponsor the show. You're gonna get to meet him on
how him on a show, and then we're gonna interview

(01:57:21):
him down on the station Donna, Florida. So we can't
put ads on down there, but what I can do
is I can interview you. So if you're a sponsor
on all of the stations on the show The Big Show,
we'll have you down interview every now and then down
in Florida. Yeah, I just to ticket there now. We'll
also updated the member section a lot of great new
content in there. We just did a show about the

(01:57:41):
Smiley Face Killer and you can find that in the
member section at Oppermanreport dot com. If you want a deal,
I'll give you a great deal. You contact me at
Operman Report at gmail dot com. I'll give you a
thirteen months for sixty bucks. WHOA how cheap is that?
Doing a show on the moon landing hoax? That this
guy Bart Sabelle, thanks that we never landed on the moon.

(01:58:02):
I'm gonna be talking to him. I'm doing a show
about doctor feel Good, that doctor who gave all the
drugs told me anybody wanted drugs. And we have a celebrity.
You got Elvis on drugs. You got Marilyn Monroe. I
think even the President Kennedy who was feeding drugs suit.
I'm doing a show about a satanic chual abuse case.

(01:58:25):
I'm taping on that Monday. And another woman, this woman Randy,
who's got all this information about homosexuality in the Catholic Church.
So that's coming up too. I'm gonna be taken with her,
I believe, on Monday. I'm taping Tuesday about the Satanic
rachial abuse case. I'm taping Friday morning about the doctor

(01:58:45):
feel Good. I did a show to about a flying
cuttlefish flying the flying cuttlefish dot wordpresst org dot com,
uh all de kinds of content. The woman of Marie
Mary Titus, who is miss Thrill on YouTube. I did
a little interview with her, and we touched on a
whole bunch of topics. A fascinating woman, very delightful, nice personality,

(01:59:07):
very jovial. She's down there in Saint Martin's hurricane victim.
And then we talked about nine to eleven about the
BP oil spill. She's got a great lot of research
on that, Pizzagate. We talked about all kinds of fun
stuff there on a flying cuttlefish show with Mary Titus.
I said, check out flying cuttlefish sh