October 3, 2025 • 45 mins
The Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America isn’t your typical road trip companion. This darkly fascinating guide is quirky and unconventional and takes readers on a darkly humorous journey through the United States, exploring notorious locations linked to infamous serial killers. From the shadowy forests of the Pacific Northwest to the sun-bleached basements of suburbia, each stop offers true crime devotees an unsettling glimpse into the macabre.Designed like a 1960s-style travel guide, this campy book offers a coast-to-coast tour, showcasing select spots and delving into the twisted histories of the perpetrators. Blending history, psychology, and a hint of gallows humor, this book is part travel guide, part true crime encyclopedia, and fully addictive.Whether you’re planning a dark tourism pilgrimage or just indulging your morbid curiosity from the safety of your couch, The Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America will take you closer to the truth—and the horror—than you ever thought possible.Warning: This book may cause sudden urges to double-lock your doors.BookJohnny Trevisani is a writer with a dark sense of humor and a fascination with true crime. Born in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, he studied computer science and psychology at Penn State and later worked in corporate offices, where his interest in serial killers began. His writing blends satire, psychology, and offbeat wit to explore grim topics in a campy, engaging style. He’s the author of Serial Killer Quote of the Day and the upcoming The Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the Opperman Report and now here is investigator.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, private investigator,
Ed Opperman. You can find me an offer investigations and
digital fronts and consultant if you reach out to me
to my email Opperman Investigations at gmail dot com. Today
we have our guest is Johnny Trevasani and you can
find him at his website Johnny Kravisani dot com. He's
(00:30):
on Instagram at Johnny trevisahni author and fineament medium. And
the book we're talking about today is The Serial Killers
Travel Guide Across America. Mister Trevisani, are you there?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh you're talking about my dad?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
What you look like? Your picton looks. I think that
days are over, mister Trevisiy.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Right, yeah, yeah, thanks for having me on it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Sure sure. Before we get into the book here, man,
what is the Serial Killer's Travel Guide Across America? Tells
about yourself? Who is Johnny Trevisan?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm just I'm kind of a fan and goof all
a bit and I have an interesting come. You know,
I'm a pretty curious guy that take a different take
on things. And I thought the Cerchilla Travel Guide across
America is more of an interesting thing. It's meant to
be like a nineteen sixties travel guide, but you know,
(01:31):
for different types of little places you might want to visit.
It's meant to be light and I guess the topic
would be a little bit funny, but it's meant to
be in a different take, you know. I sort of
describe it as sort of like Take Eat, Prey, Love,
but with duct tape, rope and hot knives. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So, well, before we get into the book, Serkilla's Travel Guide,
when I look at your picture on Amazon, you'll look familiar.
Have you done some TV?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I have not done TV, but but yeah, I don't know.
I can't even think of a joke about that. No, no, no,
I have never done.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Here, gotcha? Okay, maybe it was at the post office
right when I was wanted to.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not hanging up on somebody's wall, but.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You know what they say. So, you know, when you
walk into a woman's house and you see a picture
of Marilyn Monroe on her wall, they say, to a
run because she's insane.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I found that to be true. I hadn't heard
that always.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
What now that you heard it. Man, You'll you'll notice, okay,
trust me.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
All right, I'm gonna duly noted on that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Now before we get into serial Killer Travel Guy across America.
You would telling me off the end that there's a
prequel to this book. You wrote a previous book before this.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
What was that? Yeah, Seer, my previous book is The
serial Killer Quote of the Day, and the premise is
based around the the real words and thoughts and quotes
from the serial killers. And I was I was inspired
to write that primarily because it's kind of in the
psyche of the serial killer, and I just still took
(03:17):
a different tack on, you know, like it was still
kind of funny and campy. But the whole idea of
that was because I was just super intrigued and hearing
how a serial killer should have described themselves or describes
their actions. It's not normal to uh, to normal American
life whatever, but it's it. That's what drew me in.
(03:39):
And so I had that been out for a while
and uh, you know, and but there's an element of
that book that I reused for this book, and they're
they're fun facts. I have CERI killer fun facts that
are in the first book, and I used the serracillar
fund facts with the second book. They're separate. You shouldn't
see the same fun facts. But you know, I like
(04:01):
continuing that one.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, people forget and I forget the fun there. They
should make more time and stopping and I listen to
the context. But now give us an example. What are
some of your favorite quotes of circus.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So the quote that started it off for me had
me go down a rabbit trail or rabbit hole. Was
there was a reading something about Jeffrey Dahmer and there
was this situation where the police showed up at his
apartment because people have been complaining about the smell that
was coming from this apartment. It was odor. And he answered,
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and he said that my refrigerator broke in the meat spoiled,
and that was his answer for the rancid smell. And
I thought, man, that is so gruesome knowing the truth
behind it, you know. And he's you know, he literally
had heads in the in the in the you know,
in the refrigerator and such. So to have that type
(05:01):
of mindset to try to cover it up was kind
of interesting. So I was like, well, I wonder what
else is out there. So I started to research and
it's it's a wild ride, I got to tell you.
I mean, there's to read uh seri killers in their
(05:21):
own words and hear there in their own words. It's
kind of a surreal experience how they think. You know,
there's a Sericuller ed Kempers now, you know in Southborea.
He was featured in Mind Hunters. He's featured in that
in the Seriiculler book because he was one he's a
pretty bright guy, you know, he had a high IQ.
(05:44):
Not only was he like six ft nine, three hundred pounds, right,
but he was a pretty bright guy. But he had
he was meticulous like he his whole method was to
he wanted to kill his mother, and he didn't just
want to kill her, you know, he wanted to do
it in a certain way, so he practiced on others.
And one of the quotes, he had a couple of
(06:04):
different quotes that are reminded of him, one of which
is he said, you know, actually, actually blood is a
pain in the ass, and yeah, and you know because
obviously it's methy and he didn't plan on that. He
didn't know that. So he was explaining, well, no, it's
actually it's really a drag, you know. And then the
other quote was that when he he killed it, he
(06:27):
finally killed his mother. He you know, got her head
off and he took her vocal quotes and put him
down the garbage disposal and he and his quote was
I can still hear her talking to me, you know.
And right, I mean, it's it's those things that it
really just gets into more of the psyche of the
serial killer. And I'm still drawn into that, you know,
(06:50):
but I put it in that can't be in a
campy way. So I told some biographies and such in there,
and some fun facts they're out there.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That must have been difficult to sall a whole book.
I mean, you had to do a lot of research
on that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, you know what made made it really difficult for
that book was choosing will Because when you get into
researching someone like Albert Fish and you know anything about Opera,
Fish like he was a disgusting human being and you know,
(07:24):
he killed in eight children, and trying to choose one
quote over the other became this moral dilemma for me.
And I'm just trying to figure out, you know, which
one that made most sense for this for this particular
you know, topic that I was covering. But it was
(07:46):
just tough, you know, So I had to when I
was writing that, I had to step away many times
to clear my head. But yeah, it was you you're
trying to figure out which quote you want to use
for which for for for what area of it. It
can get kind of gruesome.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, right, well, okay if you have to step away, Man,
what is it about Johnny Trump's soonning? That your entity?
Serial killers? You wrote two books about it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So I'm a curious guy. I think serial killers to
me are pretty intriguing, much like most people. I mean,
all you have to do is go up on Netflix
and Hulu and you mean to see a bunch of
content there. Yeah, I don't think I don't think I'm alone.
I think that there's a lot of people that have
a similar curiosity. I just zero killers are different than
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spree killers. You know, spree killer is somebody going to
go and it's in AR fifteen and then kills a
bunch of people and it's awful, absolutely awful. But it
isn't the same as somebody like a serial killer who's
living in your community and functioning in it. Sometimes you know,
they're the ones that are scary because you might be
behind them at a grocery store. You know, he's literally
(08:58):
standing by somebody behind a growth restore. They're buying eggs
and apparently very high priced eggs in these days, but
they're buying eggs and bread. And but then at night
they do you know, they have a different hobby. And
that's what's intriguing about it that they can actually function
in society. You know, like someone like BTK Killer who
(09:21):
was a deacon in his church and to softball, and
he was you know, he would he worked for ADT
for like a couple of decades put installing security panels.
Like he function in society is almost you would want
him to function. I mean father, you know, he had
a family, but then he had this bizarre compulsion that
(09:44):
he did at night. And that's the scary part of it.
So I'm drawn into it. I guess, like know where
those people.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Are, you know the audience knows. But I ran into
a serial killer one time. Richard Beganwall Did it happen
right about him?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I did not write about him.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Very interesting guy. I ran into him because I had
these I used to sell marijuana but you know, and
all these marijuana growers from Tennessee that were bikers in
Vietnam bed type. So they came up to Stanton Awd
with a bench of their marijuana, and we need a
location to do the deal, and we used Richard began
Wall's mother's house on Stanton Out and so he comes
(10:23):
out and it was an older guy. You know, he's
already balding, you know, it was a very agitated character.
He comes out with a shotgun and he's waiting around
his shotgun like a joke.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know, so everyone knew it was a joke. You
don't even me, you know, it's still you look back,
I'm not too funny. And as we were leaving, get
this man though. But as we were leaving, he pointed
to this area in the garden in the front of
his mother's house and he goes, this is where we
buried the bodies.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Wow, I know, I know, and we just figured he's joking. Yeah,
But then later on it turns look this guy up.
He had a whole hidden room in his house where
I will that he would milk snakes for their venom,
and he would make like little homemade firearms and guns
like that of a lighter that would bullet out of
a lighters A real character man.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well you know what I mean. Like Akh Holmes in
Chicago had the hotel right that he designed, you know,
specifically for his his murderer's purposes, you know. And it's
that kind of pre medicated premeditation that is really intriguing, right,
I mean, they're thinking through all these things. I guess
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Richard is thinking through whatever he wants to think through.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well, you were saying there was a guy who actually
built the hotel just with coming people.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Oh you didn't know about at Holmes and that probably
did not know was not as good as once were.
I'm sorry. So he's known for this is back in
the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, he he he he. I sort
of described more as an entrepreneur than a murderer. He
(12:05):
just sort of murdered for his money. He he he was.
There's a book called The Devil in the White City
that covers h. A. Holmes and his story about you know,
his pharmacists, and then he had decided the worldfare was
(12:29):
coming there and he built his hotel. But he he was.
I called him an entrepreneur because part of his his
business that he was going to make money off of
was selling body parts the medical park colleges and such,
and he knew that that was an industry. He said, well,
they need in his mind, they needed bodies and needed
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new people. So he was just going to supply them.
And so he he took many people that came to
Chicago at that time for the Weld's Fair to work
it or to see it. They came across the country,
they traveled. Many of them were just stragglers, they were single,
and he would he took them and killed them. And yeah,
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so he's known for that. And but he designed this
hotel so much so that there was gas rooms, like
they would seal and then he would gas them. He
had it and the end of the one hall was
sort of like this slide he would that would slide
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the bodies down to the basement and then he would
cut them up down there. So he had a whole
system and it was and he worked with an architect
to design it, which is also an interesting dynamic to
that story because it isn't just his idea. He had
somebody designed this horror hotel, you.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Know, so would they think that the architect was in
on it?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
He wasn't in on the killing. He was. He just
knew J Thlmes and and H. Thomes paid him to,
you know, to do it. It's a wild story. I mean,
I know that there was the talk about making that
movie Devil Wordwake City taking making a movie from that book.
(14:19):
I hadn't heard about it. But it's a compelling story.
But I'm around, I'm based around Philadelphia. And H. Holmes
was actually arrested in Pennsylvania, convicted and executed in Pennsylvania.
So he's actually buried in Pennsylvania and buried it right
outside of Philadelphia. And fun fact with that was that
(14:42):
he was buried in a casket, in a cement casket,
so everything was sealed to that you needed to chip
away to get through his bones. And that was at
his request and they gave him his last request, and
so they did that. But there was a number of
people in the in the in the interwebs that were saying,
he's not really there, you know, And so his his relatives,
(15:09):
that related relatives actually had to exume his body a
number of years, not not that long ago, maybe ten
years ago or so to exhume it to prove that
he was. I was in in in the in the grave,
and he was actually in Yep, Yep, he was actually there.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
OK.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That's but it's the right.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay. Now now this one here, the latest one, the
Cyril Killer travel Guide across the Marca You're Coast to
coast Tour of Terror. Now what it was this is
this is something where you knew some of these spots
already had been to them, and then he wrote the book,
or you started.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
From scratch, I would say to the answer that I
started from scratch, and and but I did. I have
I live outside of you know, Philadelphia, so I know
some of the history of Philadelphia and sold Philadelphia had
Mary Graham and Gary Gary heidnik as being known Suri killers,
(16:06):
and so they were in North Philadelphia. You can go
visit their homes at the time. I think that Gary
Gary hide. I think both homes are no longer there anymore.
But so I knew it to that level. And there
was other areas that I visited that were not Seri
Killer related. So I kind of was drawn to that.
(16:26):
That idea what drew me to this book and started
this book with a couple of years ago, I was
reading about the Gilbert murders in Long Island Rex Hureman,
and you know, he's a suspected respected.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Alleged we don't want to get sued for.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
But I was reading about it and I was like,
you know, I've been up the Long Island a number
of times, and I'm thinking I have never heard of it.
I was like, I never heard of that beach. So
I looked it up and I was like, oh, you know,
I've kind of driven by that area before. Then I thought, hey,
wouldn't it be kind of cool to have a travel
guy in these spots? And so I started researching to
(17:22):
see if there was one that was out there, and
but he did that and then not many people have
my sense of humor, so it's not so that kind
of book is not out there. So I was like, well,
it might be fun to try it, and which started
me down the rabbit hole again. So I started writing
a chapter or two, and then I contacted Brian and
asked him what his thoughts. And Brian is a super
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positive guy and he was all in from the beginning
and he loved the idea so helped me a lot
on that that's really that's the impetus for this, And
so it was a matter of understanding, you know how
I wanted to take it from like more of a
top down approach. You know, want to start Maine and
go to Florida. And if you wanted to take this
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and go from spot to spot, you couldn't you can
you know, uh and two in each location we I
lookate Also while you're there, you might want to go
to this dive bar or whatever. There might be this
other attraction to match the whole sixties travel guide vibe,
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which is what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
No, did you are there any other travel guys out there?
Because there was that famous movie with Brad Pitt, you know,
where they went cross country and the guy was right
in the.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Book a minute, I'm not familiar with that Get out
of Here, you know a Sori movie. Which movie was it?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It said David Ducommany's in it and Brad Pitt's in it, and.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Oh oh oh I know that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, it was just Mark. It was America.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But so I was just the only travel guide, like
you have your corner of the market on the store.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think, I think, yeah, I think this is it.
I mean as a travel guide, like you know, like
there's a travel companion. You can take it with you.
You know. I did it recently, like I went up
to Arizona and I was like, oh, you know what,
since I'm in Arizona, I might as well visit. So,
you know, it's that kind of thing I think might
make sense where you can sit on your coffee table
and people will obviously gravitate to it. And I'm saying
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obviously because with the siracular quote of the day, everyone
would tell me as soon as they put it on
the book on the on the table, somebody would grab
it and somebody tell me, like, you just got it
my book this week, but my son took it and
I lost it out where it is like, it's just
something that people will will gravitate to look at. And
I think that this travel guide is also one of
(19:52):
those books where you can sit and read it and
I think it's interesting, but then you might go, hey,
you know what I am going to I'm going to Washington.
Maybe I can he sees some spot, you know, and
they can be reference or you know, if you really
want to take a tour, you can use the use
the book as a guide.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And I'm sure he's very likely too, especially talking about
the Pacific northwest of there. If you're hiking around at
these burial spots, you could lose the book. You have
to buy a second book. Right, that's double the sales.
I bet that was Brian's idea, right, right? Do you
make more money here? Out's double the province?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, okay, Florida. I'm in Florida now I'm Downham, Florida. Okay,
I regret this movement of it all my life. But
are any good spots for me to visit down here
in Florida. There's some syrupilla.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Spots, sure, Florida. So here's here's the thing with Florida
that you know. Ted Bundy is known for the Pacific Northwest, right,
and that's who I have. I have him located in
Pacific Northwest. But he killed a number of people in Florida,
and so it was tough for me also to decide
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who went where sometimes because not seriatillery, not all serial
killers stay in the same spot. Right. But if you want, like,
you can go to Gainesville, right and you can see,
you know where Danny Roland went. And Danny Rowland was
a pretty brutal dude. He had what eight kills between
eighty nine and nineties. It's pretty pretty percent dude who
(21:29):
he used to pose the bodies, who killed them and
then posed them. He you know, also stopped them up
and stuff. But then there was also with with Danny Rowland.
He he uh, most of the people he killed resembled
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his mother, and I thought that was a pretty interesting
factor about him. But yeah, you can go to Danny roll,
you can go to gains Go and visit there. It's
also down in in Miami, you know, you have well,
(22:09):
some some things are on some of the places are
not uh involved, so some like the ones in Miami, yeah,
are still unsolved. And so I note that in the book, you.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Know, wait unsolved that we don't know where the pheroel
is or the unsolved that we don't know where the killer.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Is, who the killer is. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I
mean there's stream you know in many The problem with
a lot of the research is that it's not fresh.
You know, we're talking about some people that you know
that happened one hundred years ago, and there's a number
of buildings that just don't exist, so the actual locations
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might not exist anymore. And I don't really talk about
that in that look, I'll just give them a general area,
but if I do know areas that they know live there.
For example, like if you go to La you can
go to you know, blast of Park, which is where
which you were a mirror is murdering number of people,
you know, But other areas just you know, they're they're
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now highways, you know, not really the actual place don't
really exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, that was Dahmer's problem too. You couldn't stay fresh.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Right wells apartment building was raised and it's just a
it's just a an empty lot now. And and what
they call dark tourism is is people will visit these sites.
There's other places like you can go visit the Spago
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branch and they can go down the Jonestown and people
visit them. Then they go to these places. And there
have been reports that people, you know, go to Jeff
Donald's old apartment building, which is just a flat. You know,
it's just an empty lot. So there's really nothing to say, right,
you don't really see just you're you're at a corner
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and you say, oh, this is where the building was.
And I don't know how compelling.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That is, but you know, yeah, it's not as much.
I guess I'm fun. I guess the word is as much.
It's a fun book. You know, we talk about a
fun book. You kind of want to see some reminants
of what was going on at the time.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Right, sure, I mean, like like what I mentioned about Miami,
Like I'm not sure where you are, but you know,
this span of activity for the Miami strangler was from
sixty four to seventy and they were the bodies were
dumped all around Miami, and so you know, just the
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fact that there was a murderer that was there for
that long a time was it was intriguing. And then
it was before all of the the heyday of Miami,
I mean the heyday of the cocaine wars and everything
where a lot of bodies were being dumb. But you know,
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this was like there was a you'd find them in ditches,
and you'd find them in water, and so it's tough
to say, like if you if you find them in
floating in water, is that a place you're going to
go visit? Not really right, So again it's it's tough
to say. But I'm just trying to give you a
good background about each area and location and if we
(25:33):
have actual locations, you can go visit. You can go visit,
but I always put in another place to go. So
you know, I'm a fan of dive bars. So if
you don't when you get out of Miami and you
don't go to Deuces, you know Club Deuce, Max Club, Doose,
then you missing outs.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, as myself, I'm going to shoot pool.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You know, a fight, you know, but not you have
a weapon in your hand right now, of course.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And I was to bring an extra sock to I
put the Cuba on the sock and I got two weapons.
But now I know, man, I'm a fool around it.
Let me tell you. You know I'm gonna be I'm
gonna be in your book. I'm gonna be your next book. Again.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I've been on the radio two they got it right,
But what do you call it?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Have you visited these spots? How many of these spots
have you visited firsthand in person? Johnny trips and they are.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
On the spot, I'd say three. I would say only three, No,
four Atlantic City as well, So there's one of the
Atlantic City that I've to. Okay, again, they're not really
there that much, right, So I have eighty different murders
featured in the book and eighty different locations.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So and the three or four that you've been to
tell us about those.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
So you know, in Philly, you so you have Marty
Graham and Gary Gary Heinik, which were you know, there
were in really depressed areas in North Philadelphia and such,
and you don't go through those areas slowly. You kind
of go through them, brother quickly if you know they're
(27:16):
just it's a depressed area. So you know, you go
by and you go, okay, that's where it would be,
you know, because many like Sarry Heidnis was raised and
I think that Mary Graham's is technically still there, but
it's basically a shell. You know, they had bodies out
of the basement. They keep you know, they change people
(27:38):
up and such, and so it's kind of a hard
hard thing to go back to in Atlantic City. When
I was in Atlantic City last year actually because I
was doing still doing research for the book, and I
was like, well, since i'm here, might as well visit.
It's beach related, so you're going to find you know,
it was around this area where they found the body,
and it's going to be a beach related, so you know,
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it's it's an interesting thing to try to put yourself
back in that time, back in nineteen seventies when you know,
the Atlantic City murderer who was un unsolved, was active,
and so during that time, the seventies and eighties, it
was a pretty grim area. It wasn't really glossy. So
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you just imagine that you know, this is pre just
the beginnings of the the casinos that were coming into
Atlantic City, where it was just this old you know,
uh Ward walk that was it's not too many buildings
on it and not too many locations on it. So
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I've been to there. Then I went out to Arizona
and visited a place out there, but again, you just
im was on the road. So I was like, all right,
well this is about where the road is. You know,
this looks like it is. So again it's sort of
just putting yourself in that place, but it's not it's
right time. Like if you go to a place that
now it's a Starbucks, are you there? You really are?
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You translated transported back to the same spot.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Who was the short killer in Arizona?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So there was there's a couple actually, but I featured,
uh that Piper didn't feature him.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, I like him. That's a good story. That's a
fascinating You got to see his face, that guy.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So he was he was because I went out to Phoenix.
So he was in Phoenix and he was called Marcado
and Marcudau was the baseline killer.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
And you know.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Marcadaou killed around nine people relatively recently. Yeah, Phoenix and.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
What is that to day on the bike trails? He
was killing people on the bike trails.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
No, no, not really. He was up around the South
Mountain and such. So if you're you know, yeah he was.
He got into rape and murder and robbery and such,
and but it was it was near. It's no longer
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there anymore. So most of the places that they go
after are going to be places that are outskirts, on
the outskirts of society. When they approach and kill someone.
They're going to go after someone like a drug a
drug user or prostitute, things that are not going to
be missed by normal society. So many of the areas
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you're going to find them in ditches and stuff, and
you can outside of Phoenix's. Phoenix has been built up
so much in the past twenty five years, thirty years
that it's just bowled over. So you have new new
shopping malls in such a new centers that you were
built in. That's what happened there in one area that
was out there that keeps no longer, you know. Just
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now it's a high end shopping boutique.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So now if I were to pick up this book, right, yeah,
the Serra Killa Travel Guide Across America, you're a coast
to coast tour of Terra. Now what did would I'd
be able to like? Does it have like the route
to take to drive from one location to the next.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
No, not to that. Well, so no, there's a little
bit more open ended. You might might say, well, we're
going to go down you know, ninety miles to the west,
you know, from one point to another there. It isn't
like taking a direct route. I mean there are someones
like in Texas where you have the more of a
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specific route. You know, the in Texas you have the
Interstate forty five with the killing Field. If you go
on the Interstate forty five, you're going to be passing
areas where, you know, from from Houston to Galveston. It's
basically like it was like they call it the killing fields,
and you're going to be riding on where a lot
of bodies were dumped.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
And when they dumped up at the same times as much.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Killers in it. There's a number of killers. They never
they just call it the killing fields because they weren't
really attributing it to one person. They didn't really there
was there was upwards of thirty kills during at the
interstate forty five, and so they don't they never really
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attributed to one person and multiple people. They the FBI
just called it a dumping grounds, So they really don't
have too much to go off of. But it's an
area where if you travel it just put yourself back
into the seventies where it was even more desolate that
there was just a dumping ground for people.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Are there any places on your mac here locations said
that you would be concerned about people going to visit
for their safety.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
That was another part was like I could put actual
addresses in some areas. He still exist, other people own
those homes. So I don't want people to just show
up and going, oh, you know what, you know, you know,
seriouslyly work here. I didn't want to do that. I
really thought that would be disrespectful for the people who
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live there, and also maybe so I didn't get that
specific in some areas. In some areas where I know
there's a public park and I know that that was
a dumping area for for bodies, I did highlight that,
But for homes for the most part, I feel clear
from actual address.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Any then with the Manson family, like some people go
and hang around up there, you know at those locations
it's the only drive and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,
right now, are there any so are there any places
like on your wold up there right? Yeah? And especially
like on the dates. You know, there's anniversaries and dates
that people go up there right now have had people
(34:26):
up the Spawn Ranch and stuff. But aren't you know
those kinds of places not on your your list there?
Where like people should be concerned about going to visit
this because there's weirdos show up.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Honestly, we live in the United States and weirdos show
of true man, But no, I didn't. I didn't put
Spawn Ranch on there primarily because it's already a tourist
attraction as far as the victory, uh, And I wanted
to highlight other other ones. Yeah, I means mansion is
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featured in the first book, but I don't feature him.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I was gonna ask you that what kind of quotes
you got from Manson?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Oh gee, I think good. Yeah, I mean a lot
of things. I don't recall any right off the top
of my head. Sorry about uh, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I'll give you one. That Bigan Wall character. I knew
his lawyer too, and one of his quotes he told
the lawyer that said, you see those kids on the
face of the milk cartons because I did that. He said, yeah,
he said he was killing those kids and selling their organs.
And I got to tell something else. He had a
really expensive organized crime attorney on Staten Island. I don't
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holy pull that one off. Okay, it was up to
something man.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You know, well, I guess organs pay.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, well, that's right. I was gonna answer about that guy.
You know, don't they ever ask them, you know, where
do these organs come from?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
This is the eighteen hundred. So, like AJ Tolmes was
back in the late eighteen hundreds, I think I think
there was a little bit more loose then. I think,
you know, police think it was a little bit worldlies
back then. And you know, they don't really think, you know,
they're just happy to get some some bodies.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
To h They didn't ask for a receipt, they didn't.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Or a story name and I and and so if
you've ever been to Philadelphia, there's a known museum called
the Modern Museum, and it's it's a wonderful museum. Division
it's uh what they call the medical Oddities. So you'll
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find can joined twins, the you know, like organs from
the Queen can joined twins and things. It's just medical oddities,
and it's it's stilled with so many really interestingly disturbing things.
Holly remand you.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Know, speaking of Phoenix, there's up there there's a place
in Phoenix where they were raided by the FBI because
they were taking body parts and they were buying cadavers
and offering people deals on instead of cremation and stuff,
and they were selling of the body parts to the
military to do shooting experiments and bombing experiments on and
stuff like that. But they were doing so much shenanigans
(37:29):
with these body parts that they got shut down and
raided by the FBI. I actually talked to one of
the FBI agents that raided this joint right now. What
do you know with them? The place is still open
under a different name. They just changed corporate names. And
get this, man, it's open twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Wow. Wow, wow, Okay that's going on. Man, seems like
a pitcom. Yeah, it feels like a sitcom. Shit.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, well what do you call? Man? My chapter two
of your boy you got there?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I got a thirty five year old male here. We'll
just put him in that file over there.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, and what about the most the most fun spot?
You have a fun spot? That's you know, it's a
cool spot. This is a cool bar nearby? Is an
strip joint? Is a library next door? Well, so, like,
if I really want.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
To make a vacation out of this, yeah, no, I
get it. So that's what I'm going to say. So
if you one thing doing my research that I didn't realize,
but in Honolulu there was a hollowlu Strangler Oh really yeah? Yeah?
And I'm thinking you know that whole story about that's
an island, Like you can't just sort of wander there.
You have to go there and lie there and like
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and it's a destination because it's wonderful there, right, But
it wasn't wonderful for five people in eighty eight, eighty
five six, and they never caught the person on a wahoo.
But that's a wonderful place to visit, and they can
visit some areas on there. Uh and you know you
(39:15):
can get them my tie and some pineapples and you know,
beautiful place. But you know, I can't believe, you know,
during that research and I could not believe that that
I didn't there would be a strangler there. But I
guess that's just the nature of the of the beast.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'll tell you this. If we're talking about stranglers, the
last place I'd want to go to is We're a
tide like that.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Tell that they can use a la in a different way.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
But want to show we got.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Are we.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Youve got the Miami Strangler and the Honolulu strength. It
seems like all the really good strangler names are being
snapped up. Man, you know, they gotta get it.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Well, I guess it's different than the Taco Bells Killer, yeah,
which he's one, right, So but yeah, there was a
lot of stranglers, right, you know, like you I wonder
if they if they're kind of pissed that that they
get that name, you know, the killer goes What do
they call me the Miami Strangler for.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I stab?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
You know?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
And what am I work from? This in North Miami?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
That kind of excuse the whole deal. What about I'm
from Vegas. I moved to Florida from Vegas. Any cool
spots over in Las Vegas that we can go visit?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I didn't have any. What I had in Vegas was
close to Vegas, was near the it's not really tough.
But there was a killer in uh in Washing County, Nevada,
So it's really close. I didn't go to Vegas for it.
(41:06):
And what was that Washa that so so in Washington
County there was a person named James Curry who killed
four to five people working firm, possibly five in eighty
five to eighty three or eighty two eighty three ex
And yeah, I mean not that far from Reno, not
(41:29):
that far from from Tahoe. That yeah, again, that's a
Tawhoe is a beautiful place. Oh yeah, you know you
think that it's also kind of open there, like is
a pretty open place. You can easily dump a body
(41:51):
here and there.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Oh yeah, as the lake mean the lowers they're finding
more on long lineys are coming up. As a matter
of fact, there was a big when I first moved
to Vegas. There was a big trial on TV, the
Ron Rudin and the Margaret Rudin trail, and she killed
her husband and they dumped his body in a trunk
she was she was an antique dealer, put in one
(42:13):
of the trunks of antique shop and they took it
after Nelson's landing and they set fire to it down there, detroed.
And so I went on a little trek down there
to Nelson's landing to find this spot, and wouldn't you
know it, man, it turned out to be one of
my favorite fishing spots. Yeah you know, I know. It
wasn't right by where the body was. That was like
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a good forty feet away and closer to the war.
But so you had to pass by, had to pass by,
and that great spot to go fishing. You would tell
us to go there. I recommend Nelson's landing for sure.
That they have this really cool U on the way
down there, this little mine. Uh, you can take a
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mind tour, and they crashed airplanes. We could take pictures
and stuff like that. Models go there. They all kind
of photography and stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And there's a there's an aircraft in a mine.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
No, no, no, there's they have mine tours. It's a
mine mining town. But there's crashed like military planes there too,
near the mine, and people take photographs near them. Okay,
so now you were telling me about that you got
some kind of you wrote a song and it's in
a movie with Danny Traiill.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
The fun fact for me is that I have a
song from uh that was put in a feature film
starring Danny Creek Trio and also Dean Kane. It's called
a movie called Lost, you know, small movie. Maybe you
find it on cable every now and then, but yeahs
to do that. It's called Lost. I think it came
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out of twenty two four something like that.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, Danny Treyhill does a million movies and this guy's
a character acting.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
You find them in everything, and he's always dominant, you know.
I think that I think he wants to really do
a music over he type kids.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I think he probably has done one at this one.
The guys done everything. Johnny Travanne you can find the
Johnny Trevanney dot com. You can find him on Instagram
at Johnny Trevanny author and meet him. You can find
him there. And the book we've been talking about is
The Serial Killer Travel Guide across America, your coast to
coast tour of terror. Now, Johnny, is there anything I
(44:28):
have an answer that you want the audience to know
about this book here?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
The Sarah Killer Travel Guy. I, you know, I just
want them to get the campiness to it, and I
want him to enjoy it. I mean, it's going to
be a different take on dark subjects. You know, I'm
trying to make it light. So I just, you know,
I hope they appreciate the humor in it and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, it's not actually a how to books, So don't
go there if you if you're planning on a Serial
Tiller tour, you know, don't get this book. Get this
book anyway, man, because you have something to read. Why right?
The killed people?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Johnny Shama, Thank you so much, man, I really a
joh Bro.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Good night By M. M.
It's the Opperman Report and now here is investigator.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, private investigator,
Ed Opperman. You can find me an offer investigations and
digital fronts and consultant if you reach out to me
to my email Opperman Investigations at gmail dot com. Today
we have our guest is Johnny Trevasani and you can
find him at his website Johnny Kravisani dot com. He's
(00:30):
on Instagram at Johnny trevisahni author and fineament medium. And
the book we're talking about today is The Serial Killers
Travel Guide Across America. Mister Trevisani, are you there?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh you're talking about my dad?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
What you look like? Your picton looks. I think that
days are over, mister Trevisiy.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Right, yeah, yeah, thanks for having me on it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Sure sure. Before we get into the book here, man,
what is the Serial Killer's Travel Guide Across America? Tells
about yourself? Who is Johnny Trevisan?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm just I'm kind of a fan and goof all
a bit and I have an interesting come. You know,
I'm a pretty curious guy that take a different take
on things. And I thought the Cerchilla Travel Guide across
America is more of an interesting thing. It's meant to
be like a nineteen sixties travel guide, but you know,
(01:31):
for different types of little places you might want to visit.
It's meant to be light and I guess the topic
would be a little bit funny, but it's meant to
be in a different take, you know. I sort of
describe it as sort of like Take Eat, Prey, Love,
but with duct tape, rope and hot knives. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So, well, before we get into the book, Serkilla's Travel Guide,
when I look at your picture on Amazon, you'll look familiar.
Have you done some TV?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I have not done TV, but but yeah, I don't know.
I can't even think of a joke about that. No, no, no,
I have never done.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Here, gotcha? Okay, maybe it was at the post office
right when I was wanted to.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not hanging up on somebody's wall, but.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You know what they say. So, you know, when you
walk into a woman's house and you see a picture
of Marilyn Monroe on her wall, they say, to a
run because she's insane.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I found that to be true. I hadn't heard
that always.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
What now that you heard it. Man, You'll you'll notice, okay,
trust me.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
All right, I'm gonna duly noted on that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Now before we get into serial Killer Travel Guy across America.
You would telling me off the end that there's a
prequel to this book. You wrote a previous book before this.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
What was that? Yeah, Seer, my previous book is The
serial Killer Quote of the Day, and the premise is
based around the the real words and thoughts and quotes
from the serial killers. And I was I was inspired
to write that primarily because it's kind of in the
psyche of the serial killer, and I just still took
(03:17):
a different tack on, you know, like it was still
kind of funny and campy. But the whole idea of
that was because I was just super intrigued and hearing
how a serial killer should have described themselves or describes
their actions. It's not normal to uh, to normal American
life whatever, but it's it. That's what drew me in.
(03:39):
And so I had that been out for a while
and uh, you know, and but there's an element of
that book that I reused for this book, and they're
they're fun facts. I have CERI killer fun facts that
are in the first book, and I used the serracillar
fund facts with the second book. They're separate. You shouldn't
see the same fun facts. But you know, I like
(04:01):
continuing that one.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, people forget and I forget the fun there. They
should make more time and stopping and I listen to
the context. But now give us an example. What are
some of your favorite quotes of circus.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So the quote that started it off for me had
me go down a rabbit trail or rabbit hole. Was
there was a reading something about Jeffrey Dahmer and there
was this situation where the police showed up at his
apartment because people have been complaining about the smell that
was coming from this apartment. It was odor. And he answered,
(04:37):
and he said that my refrigerator broke in the meat spoiled,
and that was his answer for the rancid smell. And
I thought, man, that is so gruesome knowing the truth
behind it, you know. And he's you know, he literally
had heads in the in the in the you know,
in the refrigerator and such. So to have that type
(05:01):
of mindset to try to cover it up was kind
of interesting. So I was like, well, I wonder what
else is out there. So I started to research and
it's it's a wild ride, I got to tell you.
I mean, there's to read uh seri killers in their
(05:21):
own words and hear there in their own words. It's
kind of a surreal experience how they think. You know,
there's a Sericuller ed Kempers now, you know in Southborea.
He was featured in Mind Hunters. He's featured in that
in the Seriiculler book because he was one he's a
pretty bright guy, you know, he had a high IQ.
(05:44):
Not only was he like six ft nine, three hundred pounds, right,
but he was a pretty bright guy. But he had
he was meticulous like he his whole method was to
he wanted to kill his mother, and he didn't just
want to kill her, you know, he wanted to do
it in a certain way, so he practiced on others.
And one of the quotes, he had a couple of
(06:04):
different quotes that are reminded of him, one of which
is he said, you know, actually, actually blood is a
pain in the ass, and yeah, and you know because
obviously it's methy and he didn't plan on that. He
didn't know that. So he was explaining, well, no, it's
actually it's really a drag, you know. And then the
other quote was that when he he killed it, he
(06:27):
finally killed his mother. He you know, got her head
off and he took her vocal quotes and put him
down the garbage disposal and he and his quote was
I can still hear her talking to me, you know.
And right, I mean, it's it's those things that it
really just gets into more of the psyche of the
serial killer. And I'm still drawn into that, you know,
(06:50):
but I put it in that can't be in a
campy way. So I told some biographies and such in there,
and some fun facts they're out there.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That must have been difficult to sall a whole book.
I mean, you had to do a lot of research
on that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, you know what made made it really difficult for
that book was choosing will Because when you get into
researching someone like Albert Fish and you know anything about Opera,
Fish like he was a disgusting human being and you know,
(07:24):
he killed in eight children, and trying to choose one
quote over the other became this moral dilemma for me.
And I'm just trying to figure out, you know, which
one that made most sense for this for this particular
you know, topic that I was covering. But it was
(07:46):
just tough, you know, So I had to when I
was writing that, I had to step away many times
to clear my head. But yeah, it was you you're
trying to figure out which quote you want to use
for which for for for what area of it. It
can get kind of gruesome.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, right, well, okay if you have to step away, Man,
what is it about Johnny Trump's soonning? That your entity?
Serial killers? You wrote two books about it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So I'm a curious guy. I think serial killers to
me are pretty intriguing, much like most people. I mean,
all you have to do is go up on Netflix
and Hulu and you mean to see a bunch of
content there. Yeah, I don't think I don't think I'm alone.
I think that there's a lot of people that have
a similar curiosity. I just zero killers are different than
(08:34):
spree killers. You know, spree killer is somebody going to
go and it's in AR fifteen and then kills a
bunch of people and it's awful, absolutely awful. But it
isn't the same as somebody like a serial killer who's
living in your community and functioning in it. Sometimes you know,
they're the ones that are scary because you might be
behind them at a grocery store. You know, he's literally
(08:58):
standing by somebody behind a growth restore. They're buying eggs
and apparently very high priced eggs in these days, but
they're buying eggs and bread. And but then at night
they do you know, they have a different hobby. And
that's what's intriguing about it that they can actually function
in society. You know, like someone like BTK Killer who
(09:21):
was a deacon in his church and to softball, and
he was you know, he would he worked for ADT
for like a couple of decades put installing security panels.
Like he function in society is almost you would want
him to function. I mean father, you know, he had
a family, but then he had this bizarre compulsion that
(09:44):
he did at night. And that's the scary part of it.
So I'm drawn into it. I guess, like know where
those people.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Are, you know the audience knows. But I ran into
a serial killer one time. Richard Beganwall Did it happen
right about him?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I did not write about him.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Very interesting guy. I ran into him because I had
these I used to sell marijuana but you know, and
all these marijuana growers from Tennessee that were bikers in
Vietnam bed type. So they came up to Stanton Awd
with a bench of their marijuana, and we need a
location to do the deal, and we used Richard began
Wall's mother's house on Stanton Out and so he comes
(10:23):
out and it was an older guy. You know, he's
already balding, you know, it was a very agitated character.
He comes out with a shotgun and he's waiting around
his shotgun like a joke.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know, so everyone knew it was a joke. You
don't even me, you know, it's still you look back,
I'm not too funny. And as we were leaving, get
this man though. But as we were leaving, he pointed
to this area in the garden in the front of
his mother's house and he goes, this is where we
buried the bodies.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Wow, I know, I know, and we just figured he's joking. Yeah,
But then later on it turns look this guy up.
He had a whole hidden room in his house where
I will that he would milk snakes for their venom,
and he would make like little homemade firearms and guns
like that of a lighter that would bullet out of
a lighters A real character man.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well you know what I mean. Like Akh Holmes in
Chicago had the hotel right that he designed, you know,
specifically for his his murderer's purposes, you know. And it's
that kind of pre medicated premeditation that is really intriguing, right,
I mean, they're thinking through all these things. I guess
(11:36):
Richard is thinking through whatever he wants to think through.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well, you were saying there was a guy who actually
built the hotel just with coming people.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Oh you didn't know about at Holmes and that probably
did not know was not as good as once were.
I'm sorry. So he's known for this is back in
the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, he he he he. I sort
of described more as an entrepreneur than a murderer. He
(12:05):
just sort of murdered for his money. He he he was.
There's a book called The Devil in the White City
that covers h. A. Holmes and his story about you know,
his pharmacists, and then he had decided the worldfare was
(12:29):
coming there and he built his hotel. But he he was.
I called him an entrepreneur because part of his his
business that he was going to make money off of
was selling body parts the medical park colleges and such,
and he knew that that was an industry. He said, well,
they need in his mind, they needed bodies and needed
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new people. So he was just going to supply them.
And so he he took many people that came to
Chicago at that time for the Weld's Fair to work
it or to see it. They came across the country,
they traveled. Many of them were just stragglers, they were single,
and he would he took them and killed them. And yeah,
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so he's known for that. And but he designed this
hotel so much so that there was gas rooms, like
they would seal and then he would gas them. He
had it and the end of the one hall was
sort of like this slide he would that would slide
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the bodies down to the basement and then he would
cut them up down there. So he had a whole
system and it was and he worked with an architect
to design it, which is also an interesting dynamic to
that story because it isn't just his idea. He had
somebody designed this horror hotel, you.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Know, so would they think that the architect was in
on it?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
He wasn't in on the killing. He was. He just
knew J Thlmes and and H. Thomes paid him to,
you know, to do it. It's a wild story. I mean,
I know that there was the talk about making that
movie Devil Wordwake City taking making a movie from that book.
(14:19):
I hadn't heard about it. But it's a compelling story.
But I'm around, I'm based around Philadelphia. And H. Holmes
was actually arrested in Pennsylvania, convicted and executed in Pennsylvania.
So he's actually buried in Pennsylvania and buried it right
outside of Philadelphia. And fun fact with that was that
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he was buried in a casket, in a cement casket,
so everything was sealed to that you needed to chip
away to get through his bones. And that was at
his request and they gave him his last request, and
so they did that. But there was a number of
people in the in the in the interwebs that were saying,
he's not really there, you know, And so his his relatives,
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that related relatives actually had to exume his body a
number of years, not not that long ago, maybe ten
years ago or so to exhume it to prove that
he was. I was in in in the in the grave,
and he was actually in Yep, Yep, he was actually there.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
OK.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That's but it's the right.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay. Now now this one here, the latest one, the
Cyril Killer travel Guide across the Marca You're Coast to
coast Tour of Terror. Now what it was this is
this is something where you knew some of these spots
already had been to them, and then he wrote the book,
or you started.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
From scratch, I would say to the answer that I
started from scratch, and and but I did. I have
I live outside of you know, Philadelphia, so I know
some of the history of Philadelphia and sold Philadelphia had
Mary Graham and Gary Gary heidnik as being known Suri killers,
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and so they were in North Philadelphia. You can go
visit their homes at the time. I think that Gary
Gary hide. I think both homes are no longer there anymore.
But so I knew it to that level. And there
was other areas that I visited that were not Seri
Killer related. So I kind of was drawn to that.
(16:26):
That idea what drew me to this book and started
this book with a couple of years ago, I was
reading about the Gilbert murders in Long Island Rex Hureman,
and you know, he's a suspected respected.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Alleged we don't want to get sued for.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
But I was reading about it and I was like,
you know, I've been up the Long Island a number
of times, and I'm thinking I have never heard of it.
I was like, I never heard of that beach. So
I looked it up and I was like, oh, you know,
I've kind of driven by that area before. Then I thought, hey,
wouldn't it be kind of cool to have a travel
guy in these spots? And so I started researching to
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see if there was one that was out there, and
but he did that and then not many people have
my sense of humor, so it's not so that kind
of book is not out there. So I was like, well,
it might be fun to try it, and which started
me down the rabbit hole again. So I started writing
a chapter or two, and then I contacted Brian and
asked him what his thoughts. And Brian is a super
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positive guy and he was all in from the beginning
and he loved the idea so helped me a lot
on that that's really that's the impetus for this, And
so it was a matter of understanding, you know how
I wanted to take it from like more of a
top down approach. You know, want to start Maine and
go to Florida. And if you wanted to take this
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and go from spot to spot, you couldn't you can
you know, uh and two in each location we I
lookate Also while you're there, you might want to go
to this dive bar or whatever. There might be this
other attraction to match the whole sixties travel guide vibe,
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which is what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
No, did you are there any other travel guys out there?
Because there was that famous movie with Brad Pitt, you know,
where they went cross country and the guy was right
in the.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Book a minute, I'm not familiar with that Get out
of Here, you know a Sori movie. Which movie was it?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It said David Ducommany's in it and Brad Pitt's in it, and.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Oh oh oh I know that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, it was just Mark. It was America.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But so I was just the only travel guide, like
you have your corner of the market on the store.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think, I think, yeah, I think this is it.
I mean as a travel guide, like you know, like
there's a travel companion. You can take it with you.
You know. I did it recently, like I went up
to Arizona and I was like, oh, you know what,
since I'm in Arizona, I might as well visit. So,
you know, it's that kind of thing I think might
make sense where you can sit on your coffee table
and people will obviously gravitate to it. And I'm saying
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obviously because with the siracular quote of the day, everyone
would tell me as soon as they put it on
the book on the on the table, somebody would grab
it and somebody tell me, like, you just got it
my book this week, but my son took it and
I lost it out where it is like, it's just
something that people will will gravitate to look at. And
I think that this travel guide is also one of
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those books where you can sit and read it and
I think it's interesting, but then you might go, hey,
you know what I am going to I'm going to Washington.
Maybe I can he sees some spot, you know, and
they can be reference or you know, if you really
want to take a tour, you can use the use
the book as a guide.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And I'm sure he's very likely too, especially talking about
the Pacific northwest of there. If you're hiking around at
these burial spots, you could lose the book. You have
to buy a second book. Right, that's double the sales.
I bet that was Brian's idea, right, right? Do you
make more money here? Out's double the province?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, okay, Florida. I'm in Florida now I'm Downham, Florida. Okay,
I regret this movement of it all my life. But
are any good spots for me to visit down here
in Florida. There's some syrupilla.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Spots, sure, Florida. So here's here's the thing with Florida
that you know. Ted Bundy is known for the Pacific Northwest, right,
and that's who I have. I have him located in
Pacific Northwest. But he killed a number of people in Florida,
and so it was tough for me also to decide
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who went where sometimes because not seriatillery, not all serial
killers stay in the same spot. Right. But if you want, like,
you can go to Gainesville, right and you can see,
you know where Danny Roland went. And Danny Rowland was
a pretty brutal dude. He had what eight kills between
eighty nine and nineties. It's pretty pretty percent dude who
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he used to pose the bodies, who killed them and
then posed them. He you know, also stopped them up
and stuff. But then there was also with with Danny Rowland.
He he uh, most of the people he killed resembled
(21:49):
his mother, and I thought that was a pretty interesting
factor about him. But yeah, you can go to Danny roll,
you can go to gains Go and visit there. It's
also down in in Miami, you know, you have well,
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some some things are on some of the places are
not uh involved, so some like the ones in Miami, yeah,
are still unsolved. And so I note that in the book, you.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Know, wait unsolved that we don't know where the pheroel
is or the unsolved that we don't know where the killer.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Is, who the killer is. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I
mean there's stream you know in many The problem with
a lot of the research is that it's not fresh.
You know, we're talking about some people that you know
that happened one hundred years ago, and there's a number
of buildings that just don't exist, so the actual locations
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might not exist anymore. And I don't really talk about
that in that look, I'll just give them a general area,
but if I do know areas that they know live there.
For example, like if you go to La you can
go to you know, blast of Park, which is where
which you were a mirror is murdering number of people,
you know, But other areas just you know, they're they're
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now highways, you know, not really the actual place don't
really exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, that was Dahmer's problem too. You couldn't stay fresh.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Right wells apartment building was raised and it's just a
it's just a an empty lot now. And and what
they call dark tourism is is people will visit these sites.
There's other places like you can go visit the Spago
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branch and they can go down the Jonestown and people
visit them. Then they go to these places. And there
have been reports that people, you know, go to Jeff
Donald's old apartment building, which is just a flat. You know,
it's just an empty lot. So there's really nothing to say, right,
you don't really see just you're you're at a corner
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and you say, oh, this is where the building was.
And I don't know how compelling.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That is, but you know, yeah, it's not as much.
I guess I'm fun. I guess the word is as much.
It's a fun book. You know, we talk about a
fun book. You kind of want to see some reminants
of what was going on at the time.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Right, sure, I mean, like like what I mentioned about Miami,
Like I'm not sure where you are, but you know,
this span of activity for the Miami strangler was from
sixty four to seventy and they were the bodies were
dumped all around Miami, and so you know, just the
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fact that there was a murderer that was there for
that long a time was it was intriguing. And then
it was before all of the the heyday of Miami,
I mean the heyday of the cocaine wars and everything
where a lot of bodies were being dumb. But you know,
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this was like there was a you'd find them in ditches,
and you'd find them in water, and so it's tough
to say, like if you if you find them in
floating in water, is that a place you're going to
go visit? Not really right, So again it's it's tough
to say. But I'm just trying to give you a
good background about each area and location and if we
(25:33):
have actual locations, you can go visit. You can go visit,
but I always put in another place to go. So
you know, I'm a fan of dive bars. So if
you don't when you get out of Miami and you
don't go to Deuces, you know Club Deuce, Max Club, Doose,
then you missing outs.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, as myself, I'm going to shoot pool.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You know, a fight, you know, but not you have
a weapon in your hand right now, of course.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And I was to bring an extra sock to I
put the Cuba on the sock and I got two weapons.
But now I know, man, I'm a fool around it.
Let me tell you. You know I'm gonna be I'm
gonna be in your book. I'm gonna be your next book. Again.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I've been on the radio two they got it right,
But what do you call it?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Have you visited these spots? How many of these spots
have you visited firsthand in person? Johnny trips and they are.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
On the spot, I'd say three. I would say only three, No,
four Atlantic City as well, So there's one of the
Atlantic City that I've to. Okay, again, they're not really
there that much, right, So I have eighty different murders
featured in the book and eighty different locations.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So and the three or four that you've been to
tell us about those.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
So you know, in Philly, you so you have Marty
Graham and Gary Gary Heinik, which were you know, there
were in really depressed areas in North Philadelphia and such,
and you don't go through those areas slowly. You kind
of go through them, brother quickly if you know they're
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just it's a depressed area. So you know, you go
by and you go, okay, that's where it would be,
you know, because many like Sarry Heidnis was raised and
I think that Mary Graham's is technically still there, but
it's basically a shell. You know, they had bodies out
of the basement. They keep you know, they change people
(27:38):
up and such, and so it's kind of a hard
hard thing to go back to in Atlantic City. When
I was in Atlantic City last year actually because I
was doing still doing research for the book, and I
was like, well, since i'm here, might as well visit.
It's beach related, so you're going to find you know,
it was around this area where they found the body,
and it's going to be a beach related, so you know,
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it's it's an interesting thing to try to put yourself
back in that time, back in nineteen seventies when you know,
the Atlantic City murderer who was un unsolved, was active,
and so during that time, the seventies and eighties, it
was a pretty grim area. It wasn't really glossy. So
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you just imagine that you know, this is pre just
the beginnings of the the casinos that were coming into
Atlantic City, where it was just this old you know,
uh Ward walk that was it's not too many buildings
on it and not too many locations on it. So
(28:44):
I've been to there. Then I went out to Arizona
and visited a place out there, but again, you just
im was on the road. So I was like, all right,
well this is about where the road is. You know,
this looks like it is. So again it's sort of
just putting yourself in that place, but it's not it's
right time. Like if you go to a place that
now it's a Starbucks, are you there? You really are?
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You translated transported back to the same spot.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Who was the short killer in Arizona?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So there was there's a couple actually, but I featured,
uh that Piper didn't feature him.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, I like him. That's a good story. That's a
fascinating You got to see his face, that guy.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So he was he was because I went out to Phoenix.
So he was in Phoenix and he was called Marcado
and Marcudau was the baseline killer.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
And you know.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Marcadaou killed around nine people relatively recently. Yeah, Phoenix and.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
What is that to day on the bike trails? He
was killing people on the bike trails.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
No, no, not really. He was up around the South
Mountain and such. So if you're you know, yeah he was.
He got into rape and murder and robbery and such,
and but it was it was near. It's no longer
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there anymore. So most of the places that they go
after are going to be places that are outskirts, on
the outskirts of society. When they approach and kill someone.
They're going to go after someone like a drug a
drug user or prostitute, things that are not going to
be missed by normal society. So many of the areas
(30:50):
you're going to find them in ditches and stuff, and
you can outside of Phoenix's. Phoenix has been built up
so much in the past twenty five years, thirty years
that it's just bowled over. So you have new new
shopping malls in such a new centers that you were
built in. That's what happened there in one area that
was out there that keeps no longer, you know. Just
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now it's a high end shopping boutique.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So now if I were to pick up this book, right, yeah,
the Serra Killa Travel Guide Across America, you're a coast
to coast tour of Terra. Now what did would I'd
be able to like? Does it have like the route
to take to drive from one location to the next.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
No, not to that. Well, so no, there's a little
bit more open ended. You might might say, well, we're
going to go down you know, ninety miles to the west,
you know, from one point to another there. It isn't
like taking a direct route. I mean there are someones
like in Texas where you have the more of a
(32:06):
specific route. You know, the in Texas you have the
Interstate forty five with the killing Field. If you go
on the Interstate forty five, you're going to be passing
areas where, you know, from from Houston to Galveston. It's
basically like it was like they call it the killing fields,
and you're going to be riding on where a lot
of bodies were dumped.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
And when they dumped up at the same times as much.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Killers in it. There's a number of killers. They never
they just call it the killing fields because they weren't
really attributing it to one person. They didn't really there
was there was upwards of thirty kills during at the
interstate forty five, and so they don't they never really
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attributed to one person and multiple people. They the FBI
just called it a dumping grounds, So they really don't
have too much to go off of. But it's an
area where if you travel it just put yourself back
into the seventies where it was even more desolate that
there was just a dumping ground for people.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Are there any places on your mac here locations said
that you would be concerned about people going to visit
for their safety.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
That was another part was like I could put actual
addresses in some areas. He still exist, other people own
those homes. So I don't want people to just show
up and going, oh, you know what, you know, you know,
seriouslyly work here. I didn't want to do that. I
really thought that would be disrespectful for the people who
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live there, and also maybe so I didn't get that
specific in some areas. In some areas where I know
there's a public park and I know that that was
a dumping area for for bodies, I did highlight that,
But for homes for the most part, I feel clear
from actual address.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Any then with the Manson family, like some people go
and hang around up there, you know at those locations
it's the only drive and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,
right now, are there any so are there any places
like on your wold up there right? Yeah? And especially
like on the dates. You know, there's anniversaries and dates
that people go up there right now have had people
(34:26):
up the Spawn Ranch and stuff. But aren't you know
those kinds of places not on your your list there?
Where like people should be concerned about going to visit
this because there's weirdos show up.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Honestly, we live in the United States and weirdos show
of true man, But no, I didn't. I didn't put
Spawn Ranch on there primarily because it's already a tourist
attraction as far as the victory, uh, And I wanted
to highlight other other ones. Yeah, I means mansion is
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featured in the first book, but I don't feature him.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I was gonna ask you that what kind of quotes
you got from Manson?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Oh gee, I think good. Yeah, I mean a lot
of things. I don't recall any right off the top
of my head. Sorry about uh, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I'll give you one. That Bigan Wall character. I knew
his lawyer too, and one of his quotes he told
the lawyer that said, you see those kids on the
face of the milk cartons because I did that. He said, yeah,
he said he was killing those kids and selling their organs.
And I got to tell something else. He had a
really expensive organized crime attorney on Staten Island. I don't
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holy pull that one off. Okay, it was up to
something man.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You know, well, I guess organs pay.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, well, that's right. I was gonna answer about that guy.
You know, don't they ever ask them, you know, where
do these organs come from?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
This is the eighteen hundred. So, like AJ Tolmes was
back in the late eighteen hundreds, I think I think
there was a little bit more loose then. I think,
you know, police think it was a little bit worldlies
back then. And you know, they don't really think, you know,
they're just happy to get some some bodies.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
To h They didn't ask for a receipt, they didn't.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Or a story name and I and and so if
you've ever been to Philadelphia, there's a known museum called
the Modern Museum, and it's it's a wonderful museum. Division
it's uh what they call the medical Oddities. So you'll
(36:50):
find can joined twins, the you know, like organs from
the Queen can joined twins and things. It's just medical oddities,
and it's it's stilled with so many really interestingly disturbing things.
Holly remand you.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Know, speaking of Phoenix, there's up there there's a place
in Phoenix where they were raided by the FBI because
they were taking body parts and they were buying cadavers
and offering people deals on instead of cremation and stuff,
and they were selling of the body parts to the
military to do shooting experiments and bombing experiments on and
stuff like that. But they were doing so much shenanigans
(37:29):
with these body parts that they got shut down and
raided by the FBI. I actually talked to one of
the FBI agents that raided this joint right now. What
do you know with them? The place is still open
under a different name. They just changed corporate names. And
get this, man, it's open twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Wow. Wow, wow, Okay that's going on. Man, seems like
a pitcom. Yeah, it feels like a sitcom. Shit.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, well what do you call? Man? My chapter two
of your boy you got there?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I got a thirty five year old male here. We'll
just put him in that file over there.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, and what about the most the most fun spot?
You have a fun spot? That's you know, it's a
cool spot. This is a cool bar nearby? Is an
strip joint? Is a library next door? Well, so, like,
if I really want.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
To make a vacation out of this, yeah, no, I
get it. So that's what I'm going to say. So
if you one thing doing my research that I didn't realize,
but in Honolulu there was a hollowlu Strangler Oh really yeah? Yeah?
And I'm thinking you know that whole story about that's
an island, Like you can't just sort of wander there.
You have to go there and lie there and like
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and it's a destination because it's wonderful there, right, But
it wasn't wonderful for five people in eighty eight, eighty
five six, and they never caught the person on a wahoo.
But that's a wonderful place to visit, and they can
visit some areas on there. Uh and you know you
(39:15):
can get them my tie and some pineapples and you know,
beautiful place. But you know, I can't believe, you know,
during that research and I could not believe that that
I didn't there would be a strangler there. But I
guess that's just the nature of the of the beast.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'll tell you this. If we're talking about stranglers, the
last place I'd want to go to is We're a
tide like that.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Tell that they can use a la in a different way.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
But want to show we got.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Are we.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Youve got the Miami Strangler and the Honolulu strength. It
seems like all the really good strangler names are being
snapped up. Man, you know, they gotta get it.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Well, I guess it's different than the Taco Bells Killer, yeah,
which he's one, right, So but yeah, there was a
lot of stranglers, right, you know, like you I wonder
if they if they're kind of pissed that that they
get that name, you know, the killer goes What do
they call me the Miami Strangler for.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I stab?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
You know?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
And what am I work from? This in North Miami?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
That kind of excuse the whole deal. What about I'm
from Vegas. I moved to Florida from Vegas. Any cool
spots over in Las Vegas that we can go visit?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I didn't have any. What I had in Vegas was
close to Vegas, was near the it's not really tough.
But there was a killer in uh in Washing County, Nevada,
So it's really close. I didn't go to Vegas for it.
(41:06):
And what was that Washa that so so in Washington
County there was a person named James Curry who killed
four to five people working firm, possibly five in eighty
five to eighty three or eighty two eighty three ex
And yeah, I mean not that far from Reno, not
(41:29):
that far from from Tahoe. That yeah, again, that's a
Tawhoe is a beautiful place. Oh yeah, you know you
think that it's also kind of open there, like is
a pretty open place. You can easily dump a body
(41:51):
here and there.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Oh yeah, as the lake mean the lowers they're finding
more on long lineys are coming up. As a matter
of fact, there was a big when I first moved
to Vegas. There was a big trial on TV, the
Ron Rudin and the Margaret Rudin trail, and she killed
her husband and they dumped his body in a trunk
she was she was an antique dealer, put in one
(42:13):
of the trunks of antique shop and they took it
after Nelson's landing and they set fire to it down there, detroed.
And so I went on a little trek down there
to Nelson's landing to find this spot, and wouldn't you
know it, man, it turned out to be one of
my favorite fishing spots. Yeah you know, I know. It
wasn't right by where the body was. That was like
(42:35):
a good forty feet away and closer to the war.
But so you had to pass by, had to pass by,
and that great spot to go fishing. You would tell
us to go there. I recommend Nelson's landing for sure.
That they have this really cool U on the way
down there, this little mine. Uh, you can take a
(42:56):
mind tour, and they crashed airplanes. We could take pictures
and stuff like that. Models go there. They all kind
of photography and stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And there's a there's an aircraft in a mine.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
No, no, no, there's they have mine tours. It's a
mine mining town. But there's crashed like military planes there too,
near the mine, and people take photographs near them. Okay,
so now you were telling me about that you got
some kind of you wrote a song and it's in
a movie with Danny Traiill.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
The fun fact for me is that I have a
song from uh that was put in a feature film
starring Danny Creek Trio and also Dean Kane. It's called
a movie called Lost, you know, small movie. Maybe you
find it on cable every now and then, but yeahs
to do that. It's called Lost. I think it came
(43:48):
out of twenty two four something like that.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, Danny Treyhill does a million movies and this guy's
a character acting.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
You find them in everything, and he's always dominant, you know.
I think that I think he wants to really do
a music over he type kids.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I think he probably has done one at this one.
The guys done everything. Johnny Travanne you can find the
Johnny Trevanney dot com. You can find him on Instagram
at Johnny Trevanny author and meet him. You can find
him there. And the book we've been talking about is
The Serial Killer Travel Guide across America, your coast to
coast tour of terror. Now, Johnny, is there anything I
(44:28):
have an answer that you want the audience to know
about this book here?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
The Sarah Killer Travel Guy. I, you know, I just
want them to get the campiness to it, and I
want him to enjoy it. I mean, it's going to
be a different take on dark subjects. You know, I'm
trying to make it light. So I just, you know,
I hope they appreciate the humor in it and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, it's not actually a how to books, So don't
go there if you if you're planning on a Serial
Tiller tour, you know, don't get this book. Get this
book anyway, man, because you have something to read. Why right?
The killed people?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Johnny Shama, Thank you so much, man, I really a
joh Bro.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Good night By M. M.
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