White House Boys , Florida School For Boys

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can't find any other way. We're here today we're doing
a special show about the White House Boys. Now, this
is not the White House where the President is. This

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is the Dozier School for Boys in Florida, where it's
with a house of horror as a school of horrors,
you might call it, and I believe they even found
one hundred and eighty dead bodies buried on the property there,
So this is a really extreme case of abuse. Here
we have two guests with us, Jerry Cooper and Bill Price,
and they are the president and vice president of Official

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White Houseboys dot org. That's the website you can go
to and find more information. So, guys, are you there, yes, yes, Okay, great.
Why don't we start with you Jerry, and tell us
a little bit about yourself and then we'll get to
Bill Price.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Okay, my name is Jerry Cooper. I was what you
call a white House boy, and so the audience understands
the term white House. There was a building located on
that school property that they would take us and beat us.
I mean it was no more than a flogging room

(02:21):
and very very bad ordeal to have to go through.
But I want the people to understand why we are
dubbed the White House Boys, because that's where we took
some extremely extremely brutal meetings at the school. I'm the
president of the Official White House Boys, and Bill Price
will be talking here shortly as the vice president. We

(02:45):
have lost so many men in the past eight years
since this has come to light in the public eyes
that I've even lost, Like I said, I lost my
Vice president Jerry, just a short time ago. And we're
at age category now that you know, we go to
a lot of funerals, don't we built yees, sir, I mean,

(03:09):
we go to a lot of them. And to let
the people understand what this is about, betterhead, let me
describe us and we'll go from here. The Florida School
for Boys was the first name given to that school,
and back in nineteen hundred and then it went to
the Florida Industrial School for Boys, and that was the

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name of it when Bill Price and I were there
at that time, and then of course a little later
on it became known as the Dozer School, named after
Author Dozer, who used to be the superintendent there when
Bill and I was on that property. And people always
say to me, why didn't all this abusive stuff that

(03:56):
took place there, death, rapes, murders, And I'm going to
give them the reason why. When I first came out
of there at the age of sixteen, just before I
turned seventeen, I had myself reported a murder that I

(04:17):
witnessed along with Bill Price on the football team, and
I was warned this, you say one more word, and
this is after I got out, You're going to end
up right back in there, or you're going to end
up going to Apple like Chaicola. So a lot of us,
when we tried to report this abuse once outside, we

(04:39):
were stopped and I mean stopped with threats even after
leaving that particular school. And people wonder, well, why did
it all come out fifty years later, half a century later. Well,
when the Doser school literally got shut down back in
two thousand and ten, then the news went rampant, you

(05:03):
know about the school ed You following me, Yeah, all right,
and the public jumped on it immediately. And I'm going
to tell you that we deal with people, news reporters,
individuals that work with children from all over the world,
and I mean all over the world. At this point,

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there's a possibly two billion people that the Tampa Bay
newspaper ran a consensus on, and there's approximately two billion
people that know at this time of what happened in
the state of Florida, and all of them are asking
why and how did this possibly happen. We have been

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dubbed the most abusive situation of child abuse that's ever
happened in the United States of America in its history.
We are dubbed the worst case. So if you would like,
at this time, maybe Bill, you should tell them how
you got their bill and we'll go from there.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Okay, So wait, why don't we do this before we
get to Bill, Jerry, why don't you tell us a
little bit about yourself? Do I know you mentioned how
you just wrote wrote a song and you produced a song.
A little bit about your personal life.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Okay, I don't have a problem with that. Let me
start it this way, though, I have so many men
well we have Bill four hundred and some of us
left from the fifties and sixties old. We had so
many men ed that were so severely damaged, and it's

(06:41):
been a proven fact that they were so severely damaged
at a young age they went on with their lives
never to hardly accomplish much of anything. Well, I was
one out of them that I said to myself, because
I knew a lot of these guys months later after

(07:01):
getting out of that school would end up either in
Appalachicola State Prison for Young Men, or they'd end up
in Rayford State Prison. And I will say this that
a lot of these men never ever recuperated in any
form or fashion. And I decided at the time that

(07:23):
I was going to do something with my life the
best I could, even though even though it really damaged me.
It damaged me physically and mentally, and I went on
to join the army, got myself in trouble in the
army because of my anger. I carried an anger that

(07:44):
I couldn't control. And it's not a brag, but I
will tell you that even getting that out of the Army,
I was a worker all my life. I would continuously
get into fights, even with police officers, mostly police officers,
and it caused me a lot of hassle in my

(08:04):
life because I knew that all this was coming out
of me from what I experienced in Marianna. And when
I laid into bed one night at two o'clock in
the morning after receiving over one hundred lashes of my body,
I actually weaked. I was sixteen years old, but I
had buried my head in the pillow. I was damaged severely,

(08:28):
just cut the ribbons, broken foot, and I swore that
I would never ever ever again let any man lay
a hand on me, and it cost me a lot
of problems later on in life. But I went on
with my life. I managed to have a great country
singing career. I had some hit records back in the eighties.

(08:50):
As a matter of fact, I released a song this
past year just to be doing it to see if
I still had it, and by gosh, it went number
one over on the world indie charts, and I was
just really shocked over that, but it was just something
to see if I still had it. I also went

(09:10):
on to be alignment. I worked Hindh Lines for a
lot of years, and then I went to what we
call underground construction communication, which included power, telephone, etc. And
learned how to run heavy equipment. Well. A few years
after that, I joined the Operating Engineers Union and became

(09:31):
a heavy equipment operator in the Washington, DC area, And
later on I opened a business called Dynasty Equipment Corporation
back in nineteen eighty three. Well, when I sold the
business in nineteen eighty eight, it was on the Who's
Whose list. We had done that well with what we

(09:53):
were doing, and I sold the company when I was
forty one years old. To my partner and retired. So
I've been retired since nineteen forty one, and I lived
here in Cape Cole, Florida, and I joined in this
thing for one reason I knew, and I'm going to

(10:14):
use names. I'm sorry, but I'm going to use names.
Troy Tidwell was one of the worst people that worked
at that school as far as beating children and so
many other issues which are still being investigated. I just

(10:34):
could not ever stop thinking about my friend that I
lost in the football practice that day inside that gym,
which was an illegal football practice at the time, and
even the newspaper article I said to you about it,
they lied in their own newspaper about his death. So
it was a cover up. Well after the FBL got

(10:56):
involved in this years ago, after Governor Chris had ordered
a full investigation. When I told the FDLE that I
witnessed this murder, it took him a long time to
approach Troy Tidwell. And Troy Tidwell, when he was approached,

(11:18):
took the Fifth Amendment. A you know what that means.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Don't you sure?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, Well, he took the fifth He stands on the
fifth to day, and I don't suppose the man will
ever be arrested. But he's a murderer. He was a
child abuser, he was a sexual abuser, and I'll let
the whole world know about it because I even challenged
him to take a polygraph, which I took. What you

(11:45):
have in your hands, I believe, don't you, sir?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, I have a covert.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah okay, and you see that I passed that detector,
that polygraph one hundred percent because I wanted to prove.
After he was on film with him testimony, he stated
I never gave a boy no more than ten to
twelve licks. Well, let me say this, I got over

(12:09):
one hundred lashes. It was about one hundred and thirty
five according to what somebody had told me that was
in that white House that night. And he claimed that
no boy was ever given more than ten to twelve
and he stated it sanction what we call sanctioned licks
by the state of Florida. Well, let me tell you something.

(12:31):
That is a lie. And every White House boy that
heard that wanted to rip him apart. I mean I
was even denied to go to his hearing because the
lawyers knew of my temper, and they're probably right. I'd
have came over, I'd have came out of my chair
on him. I would have, and that had bitten me
into that. But I would just say that I managed

(12:54):
to hold my life together to a big degree, even
though I'd been to anger management a couple of times.
But you know, what can I say, ed, I'm not
going to sit here and say that I'm perfect, and
I'm not in any way, but i will take this
to my deathbed. And the sad part about this whole

(13:16):
thing is this you had to live it as a
very very young child, and now we have to live
it and take it to our grave. I think that
is so sad. But you know that's just my opinion.
But I'm here for one reason, and my reason here
is to help these men get some kind of justice

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out of what was done to them and what they
had to go through as such young children. I mean,
I have men d that's been married five six times,
could not hold a family together, didn't know how to love.
I mean, I've heard it for so many of them.
I've got men that's been in prison, out of prison,
been in prison out of prison their whole life. And

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am I going to blame all of it that on
that school. I'm going to blame ninety five percent of it. Okay,
that's my feelings because it has been proven to be
treated in that and that in that way at such
a young age. Kids is young as ten years old.
You will never ever be right for the rest of

(14:22):
your life. I don't care who you are. And it
very it shows very well on the men I have
to deal with on a day to day basis. And
I mean, it's just sad, but it's facts. And when
that school got closed down by the Justice Department back
in twenty ten, they made this statement straight to Governor Scott. Governor,

(14:46):
this school is doing no more than releasing young offenders
who will be a danger to this society and will
most likely re offend again and again. And it's backs.
I mean, their records show it and they're absolutely correct.

(15:06):
But ok.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, let's let's introduce a Bill Price to the audience.
So Bill, you're there, Bill, with the bird in the background,
I can hear bulls on a farm, so you can't
hear Okay, So Bill, tell us me who is Bill Price?

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yes, I am Bill Price. I am the vice president
of the Official White House Boys. I will start by
telling you how I got there. Uh not. Everyone had
the good home life, the good sweet life, you know, mother, father,

(15:48):
you know, and then somebody to I had four stepfathers
before I was thirteen, so my family life was pretty
much uh ad. And every one of the stepfathers that
I had were abusive. So you know, I ran away
from home and I stayed away, you know, as best

(16:13):
I could, you know, just to stay out of out
of the reach of these these abusers. Well, I got caught.
They carried me back home and with the stepfather that
I had at the time, said we don't want him here.
You know, he's nothing but trouble to us. And my
mother was standing right there, so you know, pretty much

(16:35):
they decided they were going to send me to Marianna,
and they did. I was thirteen years old. So anyway,
I got to Marianna. When I when I first got
on that campus, it looked like a college campus. It
was nice, clean, wealm taken care of I mean, he

(16:57):
looked like a college campus. It looked great, you know,
and I said, wow, you know, this is going to
be nice. I can stay here. But three days after
I was there, I was told that I was disrespectful
to a cottage father, and they carried me down to
that white house and they beat me so now here.

(17:17):
I just left the abuse at home and as soon
as I get there three days later, they carried me
into this white house. And they had a strap that
was about thirty inches long, about three and a half
inches wide. It was two pieces of leather, heavy leather,
with a piece of metal a piece of tin sewn

(17:39):
in between it to give it some rigidity. And that's
what they beat you with. And when they did, they
was a full swing. And they would bring blood when
they beat you, and you know I didn't. They didn't
bring blood. With the twenty twenty five LIGs they gave me.

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I was black and blue. So my first, my first
response to something like that just to run away. At
the time, there were no fences. So the first thing
I did, and the first chance I got, I ran away.
And I was gone for about.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
A week, well thirteen years old. Wore'd you go?

Speaker 4 (18:24):
I went to a little town called Chipley that's up
in the Panhandle. It was, you know, it's about twenty
miles twenty twenty five miles away from I got that
far because I got a ride with a lady an
older woman, and uh, I got all the way to Chipley,
and then when I got up there, she pulled in

(18:45):
a service station and said she had to get some gas,
and she went inside and turned me in. Well, little
did I know at the time that these people had
lived in that area had bounties. They had bounties on us.
If we ran away from there, they would get paid
in some kind of meat like a hog, or they

(19:08):
would get cash, or they would get produced all kinds
of stuff that they would get if they turned you in.
So they turned me in and the sheriff came down
picked me up, and they would de forred to people
from Marianna. They came and picked me up and they
carried me back, and as soon as they carried me back,

(19:28):
they carried me into the White House. And everybody will
tell you that if you ran away, they have a
standard number of licks that they give you for running away,
and that's one hundred. You will automatically get one hundred
if you run away. So a week before that now
I had just got twenty five. So when they carried

(19:50):
me in and they gave me this hundred, they cut me.
I mean, I actually had a stitch put in my butt.
But I mean a lot of times you've got to
take and pick the cloth from your underwear out of
the cuts that they made. And you know, the man

(20:12):
that got up there, like he was telling you, Troy Tidwell,
was sitting there saying that he only gave these small
licks and he wouldn't give no more than ten. You know,
why would you need a four pound paddle to do that?
But they had they beat you with this trap and
they and the other thing that they would do is
if they know, you know, if you get about thirty

(20:35):
that your butt starts to get numb, that's correct. So
then they would start going up your back and down
your legs. I mean, these people were brutal. They were
totally brutal.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Now you were thirteen years old. What year was that?

Speaker 4 (20:51):
This was in nineteen sixty one?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Okay, in nineteen sixty one, okay, right.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
I was there from nineteen sixty one, sixty two and
sixty one three two and a half years. They sent
me up there for eleven months. After the eleven months
was up, they could not send me home because after
my parents had me sent up there, they moved to California.

(21:18):
They moved out there where you are.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
I'm in actually, so they had I had.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
No one to be released to. So they actually on
the books, they actually put on the books that they
had sent me home, and then they reinstated me and
put me in there for indeterminate instead of a regular time.

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Never in court, never went to court for any reason
to send me there or anything like that. They just
took it on themselves to do that. And when they
got low on labor. Now you've got to you've got
to know what if you have seven hundred and fifty

(22:07):
to eight hundred boys ranging in ages from say ten
to seventeen, concentrated in one area, you know what that's
going to attract. It's going to attract pedophiles. And most
of them, I mean moved to the area and a

(22:31):
lot of them worked at the school. And like I said,
at that time it was the Florida School for Boys
and then the Florida Industrial School for Boys. What would
send kids, you know, for there were kids in there
for truancy, running away from home, smoking cigarettes, talking back

(22:54):
to their parents, and they would send them up there.
There was I mean, there was no hardened criminals. Every
once in a while somebody would come in there, for
joy writing or something like that. But most of the
kids were not there for anything. And it was designed
to help these kids by giving them a trade and

(23:15):
stuff like that, because they had different things, you know.
They had a carpentry shop, they had a mechanic shop,
they had a printing shop, they had a brick plant.
And then on the black side, of course, they had
the farms with the pigs and some lumber and a
lot of stuff over there. But we weren't allowed to

(23:37):
talk because at the time we were segregated, and if
we got caught talking to a black boy, they would
beat us and they would also beat him. Bill, let
me ask you associate with him?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Now, you said that you ran away from home. The
cops pick you up, they take you back to your
mother's house. The mother's husband says, we don't want them here.
Now you saying that they just brought you to this
school for boys without a judge ordering you go there.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Absolutely, there were several people that were there.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
They had.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Let me tell you what else they did. They had
an orphanage in Jacksonville, and when the kid got too
old to be at the orphanage, oh my god, the
natural progression is they would send him to Marianna and
make room at the orphanage for younger boys, and they

(24:33):
had to do he went.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Ye. Really, the bad thing about it, ad is this
here comes an orphan that has no parents, and he
had to go under the same guidelines that the other
children were there for minor offences, including myself. I also
got set there from what I'm way from home three times.

(24:58):
I never had a lawyer here. The judge that sentenced
me was Maddie Farmer, remember very well. And my mother
attended the meeting that we had in Mattie Farmer's office,
and my mother said a lot of things to her
that number one, he deserves a lawyer in this situation.

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And she said, there will be no lawyer. He has
gone to Marianna and you can leave my office right now.
So I'm just telling you that, yes, our civil rights
were dumped on so bad back then. Because I don't know, Billy,
do you know any cases of any of the kids
that could get a lawyer and had a lawyer present.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Unless their parents got one for them. I don't know
of any. I mean, yeah, you know, I was. I
was pretty much out in the cold because of my situation.
You know, and of course I couldn't leave through after
the time was up that they sent me there.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Thank you, dog Ji Bark Cherry.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Let me ask you that one second, Cherry. How long
were you there at the school.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I was there at first before we could get see
they hold your records for fifty years. That's the law
here in the state of Florida as far as being
a juvenile. And I didn't get my records for after
I got started. I think that I came about for
the fifty year period a couple of years later. And
I thought that I had arrived there right after Christmas.

(26:36):
But I had arrived there I think either late January
or early February, and I went home in late November.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
So you were only there about nine months.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Then I was there about nine months, yes, okay, yeah,
and I.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Was there for two and a half years.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Some of the boys, I will tell you this said,
I had a young man in my cottage. I was
in the older boys cottage, you know. I was I
termed sixteen that February, and I was in what they
call the big boys cottage, which was Roosevelt. And I
had some guys in there. And I'm going to give
you a good example, we had a boy there and

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everybody was very aware that he had serious, serious sexual problems.
He was homosexual. I mean, the staff knew it, the
boys knew it, and they had that boy there. I
remember him being in You remember Blinky Bill. How many
cottages do you think that? That poor kid must have

(27:41):
lived almost every other cottage while I was there, and
they kept moving him around. He had nowhere to go.
And I had kids in my classroom too. I was
what you call a teacher's aid, was my job there,
and I talked children from ten to team in my
class And that's another story if we get to talk

(28:04):
about it. But to make a long story short, I
had children there in my classroom that were so mentally
retarded that they should not have been in that school
in any fashion. I mean, it was just a terrible
place to be. But I'm going to tell you something
about this school. And we've known it since nineteen hundred

(28:26):
and that thing opened. That school was opened and open
for one purpose, to turn a profit. And you go through,
if you go through the records over the years like
I have along with Robert Straley, who's a historian for
the group, you will see that the profit margin at
that time was huge. And I'm talking about the print

(28:49):
shop putting out hundreds of thousands of dollars of worth
of work a year, which was a lot of money
back then in the year. Yeah, and the produce did
this is sad we had we had over there. They
raised watermelons, cantalopes, squash, sweet potatoes, sugar cane. And I'm

(29:12):
going to tell you something right now, for the meals
they fed as I don't never remember eating a damn
piece of watermelon or a candalope the whole time I
was there. That stuff was sold and that's why we
were under it. And this is another sad thing. Bill
at that time, we were actually under ed the Department
of Agriculture for the State of Florida. Now let me

(29:36):
say this about that. That tells you right there that
this is in no way a form of fashion, a
child's reform or get help school. They're there for you
to them to make a profit. And I'll tell you
why this stuff went on. What went on for a
hundred years, nobody police that school in any way form and.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
When when there was a complaint made to anyone there
at the school, no one believed it was just trial
little kids who got beat thano in there. Now now
they're all mad and everything. So there and no one believed. Okay,
this is a good time to get older.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, this is a good time to take a commercial break.
Let's take a break here. Okay, we're here with Jerry
Cooper and Bill Price. And the story we're talking about is, uh,
the White House Boys, that those are school for boys
in Florida with these two men now both in their seventies.
Uh were captive there. They were prisoners, you know, in

(30:43):
the school for boys where they're being tortured and abused
in all kinds of horrific ways. And their website is
official White Houseboys dot org. We'll be right back after
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your host, prevident investigator at Opperman Uh. We're here today
with Bill Price and Jerry Cooper, the president and vice
president of the Official White Houseboys dot Org. These are
two grown men now in their seventies who grew up
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get to this in little while it was one hundred
and eighty bodies. It was one hundred and eighty bodies
right found, Baron.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Let me let me clarify that we still have for
our research through the White House Boys research, almost one
hundred and eighty or one hundred and eighty three that nobody,
not even the Florida Department of Law Enforcement or anybody

(38:21):
knows where they are. They have found the date, I
think fifty one or fifty two bodies with fifty five
holes exhumed and there was I think fifty one boys
that came out of that boothill cemetery head.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah, and some of the bones was the reason that
it wasn't some of the bones were co mingled because
they had a fire in one of the dorms that
killed nine I think wasn't a kilse nine.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yes, this name, it's sad, thanks Ed. Ed. Let me
tell you about how these people did us that graveyard.
When I was there the whole time, I don't think
Bill I know, I didn't. I don't think Bill knew
either that Bill was a cemetery located on the other
side of the road, and that would be on the

(39:13):
black side. Ed, because we were divided with the road,
so that cemetery was located very short distance in on
the Blackside property. At that time, there was no markers,
no names, nobody when they dug those bodies had any

(39:33):
clue who they were, how they died, except through DNA analysis,
And at this time, out of about a dozen DNA
analysis they're doing, they've only identified seven boys out of
fifty one. So, you know, this is pretty sad. When
you don't keep records and the state is supposed to

(39:58):
do this, you get a cross with your name on it,
you are put on record at a certain plot, at
a certain location. Because I've checked all the other institutions
in the state of Florida, even Chattahoochee, which is a
mental hospital which started about the same time we did
Rayford Prison, even the Young Men's Prison, every one of

(40:23):
them that had death, their names are on a cross,
a permanent cross. They are plotted and they can walk
right through that body. I don't know what happened at
Marianna Ed. They weren't even responsible enough to maintain a.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Military Well, well, let me ask you guys this.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Both the bodies were found under trees, Yes, sir, they
were saying they were found amongst a bunch of jumps.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Oh so trees were planted on top of the dead bodies.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yes, they actually would grow over top of some of
these kids. And I will let you know something else.
You talk about having a Christian burial, and they claim
up there that they had proper burials. What do you
think about a kid that was only fifteen centimeters in
the ground fifth bean centimeters.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
And he was buried on type of one that was
over thirty centimeters?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
That's correct?

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Is that right on top of each other?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Okay? Well my question is though, is first of all,
when you guys were living there, were there suddenly did
you know about kids that were dying?

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Oh? Yeah, well I mean you know, yeah I were
paper you know, would we had our own because we
had our own printing shop there. Okay, they would print
their own little newspaper called the Yellow Jacket, and of course,
you know, it was a lot of propaganda, but you know,
or they would show the parents out nice everything was,
and how the kids were really being taken care of,

(41:53):
and all kinds of stuff up there, but everything was
all staged in that paper anyway.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
But in the paper they would, you know, they put
a little thing in there. They put in there that
the kid was sent home, he died and he was
sent home. You know, we had drownings in the pool
we had you know, they said that they had kids
that died of tuberculosis. Well, at that time they had
separate hospitals for anybody that had tuberculosis, and they quarantined them.

(42:25):
They would quarantine their families up there. They had kids
that three or four of them that they had marked
in the book that they died of tuberculosis. But there
was never a quarantine of that place. So they were
just dreaming up reasons for kids dying. They had a
kid that died of console ectomy. Oh my god, they

(42:49):
had it down. They had them dying of pneumonia.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Well, why do you guys think that these kids would die?
They would being murdered?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Oh yes, yes, say they said, in my thoughts of
being a white house boy, why wouldn't you know, Why
wouldn't you have a full record of the dead and
how they died. They claimed they had thirty one in

(43:17):
that so called cemetery, But guess.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
What thefty one.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Fifty one bodies in there? Sir?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Now are they are? They still looking for bodies?

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Well, they stopped because I think the state of Florida
is afraid to find more. And that's the truth. They
are afraid that they'll find more, and if they find more,
it's going to cost them a lot of money to
continuously dig. They found these on the black side, and
everyone that they found on the black side were co

(43:52):
mingled with the black kids, which didn't happen back then.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
That's another thing.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Plints together and especially as this was totally like KKK
on the biggest uh I had.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be honest with you, and
Billy and I were there. The KKK was extremely strong
in that Panada of Florida, Sir, that's history. Everybody knows
it for a fact.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Oh no, I remember I was born in sixty one
and I remember driving down from New York down to
Florida and there would be signs if you're answering KKK.
This was in a sixty eight, sixty seven, there was
still that stuff. Yeah, yeah, that was. I want to
ask you guys some questions though. Okay, one is because
you were talking about the meals, what were the meals.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Like, Well, it's a right, yeah, yeah, you know what
that term is gravy type stuff and pour it on on.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
A piece of toast for breakfast. Right, you know, sometimes
she got eggs, but of course boys cooked it. They
as they also gave us, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Ed, they also gave us unpasteurized milk. And I'm going
to tell you how the milk was delivered. The Blacks
controlled the agriculture and they would come over with what
you call a tug carrying food products over to our
chow haul, which would be prepared. And the milk that

(45:28):
we were given was unpasteurized, which is uncalled for at
all costs because of diseases and everything. But we had
to drink milk. If you wanted that milk, you would
have to drink it right out of those canisters and
it would have a yellow cream type skim on it.

(45:48):
And it's just something that I couldn't handle. I would
drink water, but a lot of the kids did drink that.
And also I remember going through the chow haul one
morning and one of the White House boys and he
knew I was quarterback on the football team. He took
care of me pretty good, and he said, Jay, do

(46:08):
not eat the syrup. I said what he said, look
over the counter. I looked over the counter and they
used these You know what a big milk container is
made out of aluminum. That's what they put the syrup in.
And this was old cane syrup, which is nasty anyway,

(46:28):
made out of sugar cane. He said, look over the counter.
I looked over the counter, and in the bottom there
was a rat laying in the bottom of that canister.
I mean, you know, for God's sakes, I mean, I
would just say this, the food was not appropriate as
far as I'm concerned. But yet the staff, which I
said at the table, I could look in the staff

(46:50):
dining room and they were fed. You name it, they
got it. And we were punished if we took any
food that we did not eat.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah, you better. If you take it, you eat it.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
And I had a friend of mine that worked in
the chow hall who stole a port chop. He was hungry.
He stole a porch chop from the staff hall, and
they liked to beat him to death right straight from
the chow hall, straight to the White House, which was
right next door, for stealing the porch.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
If I could, when I ran away from there twice,
and I'd just like to get into the second one
if I could. The first time, you know, when they
brought me back and they beat me. He of course,
when they give me a hundred licks, and it was
time for me to settle down, you know, and just

(47:49):
just take my eleven months and just go ahead and
do the eleven months and go home.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Well, after I did the eleven months, they called me
into the psychologist, saw the counselor, and the counselor tells me,
we can't let you go. And I said, what do
you mean you can't let me go? Well, we can't
find anybody to release you to because my parents had
moved to California.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Right.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Well, you know, I'm sitting there and I'm saying, you know,
here I am, I've been putting up with all of
this for all this time, and now you're going to
tell me you can't you're going to keep me. And
they actually put it into books as they sent me home,
and then they reinstated me, put me under indetermined. So

(48:34):
I said, well, this ain't gonna work. So I ran
away again. Well the second time I ran away, I
got about forty miles away, and I was over fourteen now,
you know, and a little bit smarter, I thought. But
I got into the town that he was talking about
while ago, Chattahoochee, where the mental hospital was, and of

(48:57):
course I had still had the state clothes on that day,
give you. So I went to a clothes line to
get some different clothes, and somebody saw me and they
caught me, and of course I went back.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Did did you try and resist when he caught you?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Yeah, they sent me back, you know. Well, they came
and picked me up. They just held me at the
Sheriff's office, and then he came back. They came back
down there and picked me up, carried me back to
Mariana and of course straight to the White House, and
they gave me one hundred licks. Well, when you start,
you know, like I said, when you start getting dumb,

(49:36):
they go up your back and down your legs, and
they gave me a hundred. Well they were going to
teach me this time. So they actually had me get
up and they folded the mattress and then I had
to lay back down, which put my butt higher in
the air. And when they did that, then they hit
When they hit me with that thing, it ended up

(49:58):
breaking my coxic b in my butt. So I was.
I was like standing up for about two months because
there was no way I could even sit down. Well,
they had another place up there they called Pierce Hall,
which was where they held the real young boys, you know,

(50:21):
the six and seven year seven to eight year old boys.
So when they put me in there, they had some
holding cells, so that I've been one of the holding cells.
And they started feeding me thorzine, which is an any
psychotic drug. Sure, and they because I was a danger

(50:43):
of running away again, I was a risk, so they
would they fed me that and they kept me in
there and they fed me the stuff for two months,
so because I didn't want me to run away again.
And then they had this crazy psychiatrist there. His name
was Susa, and he was making this concoction with like

(51:07):
a red bone marrow. And although this is this is
all posted, you'll be able to read all this on
the site because it was in the newspaper and everything.
But this guy was actually making some kind of stuff
a red bone marrow, and then he would you would
have to drink this every day, and then he would

(51:27):
put these electrodes and he had an EG machine and
he would put that thing on there and see if
it was changing my brain patterns. And this I mean
this guy was he was like from Austria or somewhere,
wasn't he Jerry?

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yes, he was. And from what I can understand some
of the research done on this man, he at one time,
he at one time was under the Nazi rule and
had worked with the Nazis.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
It was a crazy man and he was, he was.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
She was really a weird individual.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
A little bit more about the conditions there. How about
clothes and shoes? Did you have decent clothing and shoes?

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Well, I mean I had. I don't think I ever
got a new pair of shoes. If a boy went
home because they had such a turnover, okay, I mean
you know you might have two hundred and fifty go
home in the year and two hundred and fifty more
come in to take their place. That's kind of a
turnover that you have in there, and or more it

(52:35):
could have been. You know, so they didn't throw away
the shoes when a boy left, you know, they would
just throw them in a bin. And you know the
different sizes when you come in, you could get into
a used fair of shoes.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Oh boy, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Let me add a little bit of that got to
bell ahead. Let me add a little bit to that.
A doctor Waxler, who was a doctor when I arrived there. There.
He's the same individual that would shoot me up with
novacane during football practice because I had a broken foot
and I played on that foot during practice and the games,

(53:10):
and he would shoot me up with novacane and everything
else to try to keep me on the field. Just
before I arrived there, Bill, they had a controversy about
Wester and this doctor of this doctor d This is
what kind of people they are. He worked at Sing
Sing for years and he had a pair of glasses

(53:31):
on him that he could not see. I would say
the man, we could be almost legally blind, and the
glasses were as stick as the bottom of a coat bottle.
And he even would have some of the boys that
worked there, you know, as aids for the in permitent.

(53:52):
He would have them to do stitching at times because
he could not see well enough to stitch, and he
would actually draw a circle with a pen around the
room so he could see it so he could sew
it up. But what I was getting at, as far
as the clothing when Wexler first arrived, I believe it

(54:15):
was nineteen and fifty nine. He wrote a letter straight
to Dozer and that was the super at the time.
He said, mister Dojer, I have great concerns here because
I have so many children that have no shoes, and
the athletic foot disease is running rampid, very rampant at

(54:36):
this time. And Dozer wrote a letter back to him,
which I have in my possession. State in this, well,
I'm not worried too much about shoes. Before you got here,
they didn't have much shoes, so why should we worry
about it now? But doctor Wexler was the one bill
that ended up getting those brogains that we were issued

(54:59):
when I arrived right right well, and.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Then again, you know his daughter would come in and
help him too, the doctor daughter. And she even made
a statement, you know, talking about the boys after they
come from the White House. They were being cut and everything,
and she said, well, I didn't see too many of
them that needed stitches, and if they did, they only
needed one or two.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
What do you think of that? And what do you
think of that.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
You sent to somebody who just paddled somebody.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
How old was the daughter, she was like a teenager,
just working there for fun art.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yes, there was two daughters. I remember, yeah, I remember
very well. There were two daughters and number one they
were warned by doctor Wexler, you do not approach that
building up there called the White House in any fashion.
You will not leave my building area if you are here,
otherwise you will be at home. Which we lived on

(55:58):
the campus with his family. And I talked to doctor
Wexler's oldest daughter about five years ago and she said,
I remember you, Jerry. You were the quarterback. I said, yeah,
that's true, and I said you were one of the
cheerleaders between you and your sisters. She said, yeah, we were.

(56:19):
And I mentioned to her about Holly Woods, which was
our coal back. They had a thing going. And I
found out later on that Harley Woods on the weekends
would spend the weekend sometime at doctor Wexler's house. And boy,
I went through the riff about that head I was.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Going to Actually I was actually asked more about the
medical facilities. Now, what if your kids got sick about
a cold or a stomache or something like that, was
there any kind of treatment?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Good luck? Good luck.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
If you had a sore throat, they carry you in
and they paint your throat with that purple gentient violet. Yeah,
if you had a cut or something like that, they
go in there and they put the cure chrome on it.
Remember that, put a piece of tape on it.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Let me let me say this about the medical treatment.
I told you ed that Troy did well the night
the night of him and mister Walters and hate mister
Hatton beat me. I didn't know the foot was really
broken for several days before I could get into being firmly.
And the coach is the one that took me in there,

(57:31):
and when he found out that they had broken my foot,
And the only way they found out was we didn't
even have any X ray equipment. He had what you
call a florescope. You know what that is.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I had the old florscope and it would slide up
and down on your body and see if you had
broken bones and stuff. So that's what we had for
X ray equipment. We had no oxygen. I will tell
you we had no oxygen whatsoever for an emergency.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
That's what really me. We're talking nineteen sixty one, sixty two.
I had a forescope in the in the hospital, but
this doctor SUSA had this big ass EEG machine testing
boys and giving them this experimental drug he was making.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Yeah, okay, here.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Sitting there and I'm saying, where did the state get
the money to put something like that in that school?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Well, now that's interesting. Was this some project he was
doing on his own? And you think it was like
state sponsored or something.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
No, he worked for the state. He worked for the school.
He was the only one I believe that had anything
over a tenth grade education there, and he was experiment
Troy didwell, I think was only a tenth grade education,
none of I.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Will tell you this, Ed, and I'll tell you Ed.
Let me tell you what we had for people looking
over us, Sir, I hear a butterfly some of them,
if they're lucky and just didn't have anything going in
life whatsoever, you would have been working at that school.
That's just the bottom line. The page there are you

(59:13):
was terrible.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
I will tell you something right now that you probably
will not believe.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Ahead.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
If I put on the hat that says white house boys,
which we all have one, okay, if we wear them
to our reunions and stuff like that, and it says
white House boys on the hat. If I walk into
a business in Marianna, they will refuse to serve me.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Do we had that to happen at because it.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Is how they are with us. They do not like
us because we brought this out and it killed their
economy because everybody in that town was living off of.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
That's cool, okay, but real quick back to the experiments though. Now,
this this was something. Do do you have any records
of these experiments or what went on with that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
When the houseboys dot org it shows him with the
EG machine, it tells you in the thing that he
was making this red bone marrow concoction, right, and he
puts the electrodes on your head and was checking your
bringing impulses to see if he could alter your way

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of thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Now was where was he getting the bone marrow from
from cows.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Or what he was making?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I really don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Ye, we don't know. Oh, that's what they called it
at the time. And along with the also the medication
called torzine. Let me pull you in on about thors.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Wait wait, well, let's take a commercial break here. Okay,
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I'm your host, Private Investigator at Opperman on the Air
with Jerry Cooper and Bill Price. All right, guys, we
had left off talking about the medical conditions, but before
we get back to that, I'm curious about what were
the sleeping conditions.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Was it all a bunch of bunks in a big,
giant room with all the kids sleeping together?

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
Oh? Yeah, about room, but forty in a room?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Did you have blankets and there was only air conditioning,
that's for sure?

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Oh no, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
So it was the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Most miserable time of my life that you couldn't get
no rest in that place. Plus you couldn't get any
rest not knowing that they were going to come and
get you in the middle of the night. Ed now,
with the havoc, it was pure havy from dayly one
until you left that place because you had no idea
what was going to happen to you in the next minute.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Coming let me give you an examful of that. Go ahead, okay.
They had the lighthouse there, and this is the psychological
abuse that you use on you. After I got beat
the second time and they fed me to thorsine and
I come out of Pierce Hall and I got over
having to take that medicine and everything. They put me

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back on. My job was working out on the maintenance,
you know, and I drove a tug and pulled this
gang mower and mowed the lawns, you know. So they
came to me one day while I was out working
mowing and they said you need to come with us,

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and I said, okay. They put me in the car
and we started heading to the White House. And I'm
sitting there and I'm saying, what did I do? I
didn't do anything. Why are you taking me to the
White House? What did I do? And they wouldn't tell
me anything. They just carried me to the White House.
This is where they beat us. And they went over
there and they said come with me, and they just

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like they would if they would carrying me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
In to beat me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
And they went over and they unlocked the door and
then they went over and they got a mop bucket
and mop and broom, and they told me to sweep
and mop the floors in there, but they gave me
the indication that they were going to beat me the
whole time we were over there. And then they said,

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remember that, remember what it looked it's like in here.
You don't want to come back, trying to deter me
from running again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Yeah, I was just trying to drive you crazy, like
torture that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Oh well, that's exactly what it was. And if you're
talking PTSD with soldiers coming back, imagine what young kids
put up with after something like that. I mean, that
is just absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
A d go ahead that, Jerry, if you guys are
just talking about that. So many of the White House boys,
including myself, I've been treated for PSD for oh god,
at least forty years maybe or more. And I still
take a medication today called Lexapro, which you know, really

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really has helped me a lot, and a lot of
the men have to take medication for anger problems and
everything else. And that just goes to show you what
they did as and they run a bunch of good men.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
I would I would venture to say that the psychological
abuse was as bad as the sexual or or the
physical you just never knew.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Do you think do you think that could have been
part here? Do you think that could have been part
of these experiments that this guy was doing you?

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
No, No, if not all of this came from from
up in Pierce Hall with with doctor Susa. You know, Okay,
these people that that that we're talking about right now
were satistic people, the ones that beat us, the ones
that did the psychological abuse and everything, and especially the

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sexual to some of the kids. You know, Uh, luckily
I was not a part of any of that because
a lot bigger boy, you know, but uh, the smaller
kids had to go endure and go through all that
stuff a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Well, okay, that's what I was going to ask you next. Anyway,
you said that this was like a haven for pedophiles
coming in there and working in there. Now were these
were the pedophiles known to the kids that hey, this
is the trouble guys, stay away from him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Absolutely they do. Those kids, those kids knew who were
the pedophiles who weren't Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Sir, And listen the ones that came in there, that
came in from an orphanage, right, they didn't get any
mail or they didn't get any visitors. They know that
nobody cared about them. They were the ones that got
the brunt of the sexual abuse because they had no

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one to report it to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
And what I'm hearing these are kids as little as six, seven,
eight years old.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
They had some kids there. They were six years old.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
That's the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Okay, Now what about.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
In that Pierce Hall where they had me? But I
was in a cell.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
And they will see Pierce. Let me explain about Pierce Hall.
Pierce Hall was also called Pierce Cottage. Ed. That's where
they kept all the kids. They did not let them
sleep together. They had three to a room. They had
separate rooms in that cottage and they only let three
in a room at one time because they had serious

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mental mental issues. It's very serious. Some other and like
I said, they should have never been there in the
first place. But in the back in the back of
that yes, in the back of that cottage. They also
tagged on to the back of the cottage a ten
either eight or ten sell room for sales that they

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used for us for detention. And when you went up there,
you got problems. Brother, you got problems. I'll tell you
that right now. You get stripped naked. Sometimes you would
have a mattress to lay on, and sometimes you there
was no daylight. They fed you through just like you
were a complete pure murderer or rapist. They fed you

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through a slide in that door. And if you stayed
there any period of time, you just go bonkers it.
It was just terrible to be in lock up. Now
now about the sexual abuse ed I don't know if
a lot of the people right now are not aware

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that the FDL did a first investigation and it was
a farce. We proved that everybody knows. The public knows
it was a complete farce. Well about six months ago,
the FDLE through request i think request lawyers.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Trying to get the Federal in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Yes, we tried. We tried to get the Fed. We
tried to get the Feds in here, and that's been
a lost issue. But they re opened a case and
they have talked to at least fifty of my men
as I'm sitting here right now about this sexual abuse
that occurred there. And this investigation is almost over with,

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and then the findings will be released to the public
as well as to the cabinet and the legislators of
this state and I'm going to tell you right now.
And I know these men. I know because they trust me.
I don't talk about their sexual abuses, but they did.
And two lawyers and two fbl E agents would have

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to be present for each man. And I set up
a lot of those for the lawyers to meet with
because I knew who was sexually abused because they had
told me. But I will guarantee this, sir, when this
report comes out, it's going to be the straw that
breaks the camels back. I will almost guarantee that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Also, you know, excooming the bodies was entrusted to the
versy at South Florida. They're the ones that went in
and exhumed all the graves and everything to try and
identify the bodies. Also, when she was in there doing
her investigation, she did find a rape room. Okay, that
was explained to her. And she found it and all

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the stuff that they used in their too rape the
boys now with it. This stuff was still there in
two and eleven when the school closed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
The school wasn't closed until twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Eleven, right, yes it was, and it was let me
explain that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
No no wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
was this stuff still going on up until twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
And eleven, actually different forms, different forms.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Though the Right House was closed. Every tell you about
the White House.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
They didn't follow them anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
The White House supposedly was closed down in nineteen and
sixty eight when Governor Kirk and the State of Florida
made a surprise visit there and one of the boys,
one of the boys, he was a brave kid boy.
He grabbed the Governor's hand when he got the opportunity.
Was on a yard crew that morning and begged the

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Governor to come with him because he wanted to show
him what they were doing to him. And he took
him to that White House, and they wouldn't open the
door farm and he told, he told one of the
staff members, if you open the door, or I personally
will break the door down. And he is the one
that stopped the White House torture in nineteen and sixty eight.

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He even made this statement in a newspaper, And we
have the paper. If the people of Florida, if the
people of Florida knew what was going on up here
in this panhandle, they would be up here with rifles
quote unquote.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
He says some das had blown the whistle on this
thing years ago, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Sir, okay, but so now all the stuff was still
going on until twenty eleven. Do we have any witnesses
from two thousand, two thousand to two thousand eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
Well, the camel that the thraw group of the Camel's back.
There was a boy that went in there. He was
a black boy and he was only there for eight
hours and died.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Okay, what year was that there was in?

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
What was it twenty two thousand and nine? RK.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I'm not sure, okay, but recently recently, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
But ed, this is what spurred the closure. Like I
told you, the school still was not being police for
one hundred years and they were getting away even just
as bad as stuff when we were there. Almost the
White House, of course wasn't open, but there was a
lot of problems going on. So when the Justice Department

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finally stepped in, and they were the Civil Rights Division
of the Justice Department stepped in, he wrote and fired
two letters over the governor's head and they stated this basically,
you need to close it or we're going to close it.
And that was the bottom line, and that's what really

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made this whole thing take off and being in the
form that it is today.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Okay, okay, let me ask this. Now we had discussed
before that the school had become a haven for pedophiles.
Now one question, one question I have is were there
other people working at the facilities that weren't pedophiles that
were objecting to what was going on?

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Yes, absolutely when that happened, Yeah, is the people that
were perpetrating all the acts.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Ran them off.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Okay, so this was a I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
In there who actually wanted to help.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Now was this a haven for pedophiles up until twenty eleven?

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Well, America?

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Yeah, now, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Look at the number of y in Marianna per capita
who are sexual predators who have that mark on them
as being such a goal predators. You will not believe
how many people lived in that town.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Now, I will believe it because I know Florida's having
for these guys to begin with. But now another question
I have for you for the workers there, the employees,
there were no kind of those employee background checks that
you have to take when you go work at a school.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Or are you kidding listen? Ed ed were not sixty
oncet of all? Yeah, if you didn't have a job
in Marianna, and even the Justice Department stated this. In
twenty eleven, we found that the pay scale from the
Dozier School is approximately five dollars or more under par

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for the rest of the nation. That's not hard to
figure out, is it. D What kind of people you
get what you paid for? You know that old right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Right? But the background checks to work and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
They had they had I wait a minute, wait a minute,
let me finish something. I will tell you that a
superintendent in the past years before we got there was
a felon, had been in prison and was hired as
the superintendent of the school.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Ed okay, but now what about the regular work? Is
there was no background checks to criminal worcord checks. No, no, okay,
Now did you guys there was a lawsuit? Now what's
the story with a lawsuit?

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
All right, let me explain, Yes, let me explain to
you about it. I'm not gonna sit here and not
say to the public, which is public knowledge at this point.
These men are seeking somehow to be considered to be
compensated for what they had to go through as young children. Okay, ed, okay, okay,

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now affected their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Now I understand that a lawsuit was filed.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Yes, but I was trying to explain that to properly
do a claims bill in the state of Florida, you
have to do this. You have to exhaust all legal
avenues that would pull it up to a claims bill,
and that means going through a lawsuit that the lawyers knew.

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They knew it before they walked in the courtroom and
had this and had did well, you know, with his
deposition there and all. They knew that it was going
to get thrown out due to this the statue of limitations,
and they already knew it, but they had to do
it because it's a forced lass. You have to do it,

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whether you lose or not. You follow ed, yes, I do, okay,
and then you can go towards what they call a
claims bill, which I'm going to be honest with you.
That's another thing that I don't want to get into
for the simple peason. I did not get into this
thing for any compensation. I stated that to the lawyers.

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As a matter of fact, I told them you can
pull me off that that's not my job here. My
job is trying to make some kind of justice for
these men in any way we possibly can, and if
they are compensated, it would be a great situation because
if anybody ever ever deserve any compensation, it's these men

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or any of them that ever faced the whip in
that White House. Sir. Now, I'm going to tell you
something about the whip. I haven't told them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
No, no, no, no, wait one second, one second. There was
a loss of fiul. What year was the laws of Fiul?

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
My goodness, it was way back there, two thousand and eight,
I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Okay, two thousand and eight. Now who was the defendant?
Was the State of Florida?

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
No, see, well, yeah, yeah, the defendants are the state
with the State of Florida, the Department of Agriculture also
be believed, the Department of Transportation. Troy Kidwell was named
as personal or deceased.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Yeah right, I was going to ask that. Now, most
of these the guards and the teachers and the people
who worked at the school when you guys were around,
have deceased. But now this Troy Tidwell, how old is
he today?

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Troy Kidwell? Right now, he'd be either ninety or ninety one. Maybe.
But here is the issue with Troy Kidwell. As I
told you the beginning, Troy Tidwell stands fast under the
Fifth Amendment, which there's nothing I can do about it.
I mean, I tried everything to do something about it,
but was not successful. And I don't expect to ever

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take a man right now that I was told by
reliable source that is in a nursing home somewhere in
that panhandle and has full bone dementia. This information getting
to me about that is a reliable source. So mister question,
go ahead, shill, just just for.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
The heck of it, all right, let's just look at
examine another just an example, let's look at Bill Cosby.
Who these women who come to Bill Cosby and say, hey,
you gave me drugs and you raped me. Okay, he says, no,
I didn't. They're saying, yes, you did. Now they've got

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him on the carpet for doing it. Okay. We had
five hundred men that said you did this to me,
you raped me, you beat me, you've run me through
psychological abuse, and you've got one man that said, no,
I didn't, and nothing is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Okay. So Tidwell was one of the defendants in the suit.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Right, Yes, you can actually go online if the public
is listening. You can actually if you go Troy kidwell,
don't be shocked because he has got plenty of positions
on the internet and you can find his whole testimony
with our lawyers, and you can see how much this

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man lied and denied that he had no part of
what we say he had done to us. And that's
why ed, that's why I had to do something, because
when he did that, the public immediately turned on us
like a bunch of cockcrats, said, you guys are liars,

(01:26:37):
you're not telling the truth. And I only had one
thing I could do at that time. I spent my
own time, and I didn't even do it here in
Cape cor. I drove all the way to Tampa to
meet with a poligafher I have never met in my life.
And I even told the biggest newspaper who has kept
coverages on us for eight years now. I had their

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que writer then Montgomery attend that polograph, and you've got
it in front of you because I sent it to
and I passed it. It didn't give me a bit
of good, but it did this much good. It turned
the public view back around once again that this man
is lying and that's why Glad Bill, those monsters.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
You know, you look at us now and everybody when
we were kids and nobody believed us because we were
kids and they were just saying, oh, this is a
little kid that got his butt beat, and now he's wanting,
you know, like kids are now telling on their parents
and everything, you know, And now that we are sixty
and seventy years old, we come to you and we

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say this happened to us when we were children. We
tried to tell you then and nobody believed. We're trying
to tell you now now we are a bunch of
old men trying to get a dollar from the state.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
I mean that's one of those uh lose lose situations
where you have to endure everything all your life because
of what these people did.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Now, you say that when you fouled this lawsuit that
Tidwell took the fifth, but then you're also telling me
that that he denied it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Well, no, no, he took the fifth.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Afterwards fifth afterwards he went through a deposition which you
see the deposition.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Okay, And then after he went through the deposition, then
Jerry took polygraph to prove him wrong. After Jerry proved
came wrong. They went back to Tidwell to talk to
him and he said, I plead the fifth amend who went.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Back to him. The attorneys went back for an additional deposition.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
No, no, no, it was during the f b l
E investigation. Okay, FBL had an open investigation on this,
even when t Tidwell had gone to court. When I
reported the murder of Edgar Elton to the head investigator

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with the fb l E, he said, I will question
tid Well on this death, but we're going to save
him for a while because we've got other work to
do before we want to approach him. And so I waited,
and I waited. I kept calling. I said, when are
you going to talk to ted Well about murdering Edgar Elton?
And he said, Jerry will get to it. Well. He

(01:29:35):
calls me up one day and he said, I got
some bad news. I said, what is that, Tom? He said, Jerry,
we approached Troy Tidwell on the death of Edgar Elton
and he took the fifth I said, excuse me, he
took the fifth. I said, well, what does that put us?
What does that put me?

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
In?

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Bill Price and three others that witnessed this death. He said,
if but you here, you approached the state attorney the
fourteenth district where he lives, and you talk with him
because he is the only man that can arrest Troy
ted Well and Ed, you don't think for one minute yet,
you don't think for one minute that that state attorney,

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who is an elected official, would do anything about this,
Sir Well the old county yelling and his ass over
the school being closed. I knew that nothing would happen,
and he ignored me. Ed, he wouldn't even correspond with me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Ed, Okay, can I ask a question? They're telling you
that he can only be arrested by the district attorney
in the county that he's living in now, and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
You are asked because he is under the fifth I
was excused by the fbl A Glen Ass. I'm going
to use his name. He won't even talk to me.
Glenn Ass has to be the one that would go
to Troy Tidwell or either issue. Aren't. Here's a rest?

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Okay? What the question I'm trying to ask is very
important now? Is that the same jurisdiction of where the
crime took place, where the school was Okay, Okay, that's
I'm sure clarifet Now.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
The cause of who he is and where he lives
and how these people are intermingled with each other, they
will not do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Okay, I can I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
And the same with the fd l E. Okay, you've
got the fdl E, which is a Florida Department Law
Enforcement investigating Florida. It's like putting the fox in charge
of the in house. They're not going to find wrong.
That's why it needs to go to a federal level. Okay, somebody,

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an independent investigation needs to be done.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Now, this county, no wait one second, one second, one second,
one second. This county where this school is located. What
is the population of fact.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
It's Jackson, Jackson Jaction County.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
And what's the population that's pretty large?

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
Right of Marianna, Yeah, part of county. Marianna's probably about
what do you figure.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Ten about ten thousand, right, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
I'm not absolutely sure about their population.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Point thousand of worked at that school.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
One more time, I.

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
Said, I think eight thousand of them worked at that school.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Right now, I can believe it. This was like the
biggest employer in that town was the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Biggest employer and ed. This is what is sad. This
is what's sad. These people get in their new local
newspaper up there and they blame us that because the
school was shut down back in twenty eleven and cost
them all these jobs. My answer to that is this,

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we didn't do nothing. You're the ones that did it.
You're the ones that close your own school. The Justice
Apartment grabbed you. And now you want to blame the
White House boys because you're an economical trash right now, okay,
and I'm sorry, but we didn't do it and did
do it for their actions.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
In twenty eleven, what was the population of the students
at the school that the Florida School for Boys.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
It had dropped drastically. I'll tell you why it had dropped.
It had dropped drastically because at that time that school
was only opened on the White side. The black side
had been shut down totally. The white side then had
fences around it like a prison, of course, which it
didn't when we were there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
They were too harder. Well, you know, as we've graduated
in society, the kids had become a lot more dangerous.
I'll use that word because I mean, you know, with drugs, with.
I mean, here's you got ten year old kids down

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in Palm Beach going into a store to rob somebody
with a gun. Okay, but that's how kids are now.
But my question is, and so this, this whole place
now is fenced with razor wire and everything else. But
when we were there, there were no fences.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
But my question is, no, wait one second, one second.
My question is how many students were there at the end,
right around the time that they closed. How many?

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Don't know, but I would I could day, I can
day you approximately. I can tell you approximate it probably
around two hundred. Why they would no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
No wait wait wait no no, no no no wait. Now
now I have another question, and the question is what
was the budget for this school around the time that
it was closed? Do we know that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
I saw something somewhere where that was a because and
now it's totally state funded. They weren't funding them elves.
So the budget was like a million, million and a
half a year.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Okay, I don't know for a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Okay, million and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
I think I read that somewhere. But when we were there,
the budget there at that time was probably about fifty
thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Now, I got you. I can stand that. But now
a million and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
In the town was self sufficient in a.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Town of ten thousand people. Million and a half a
budget a year for this school. Now, how many people
were they employing to a end when we were being
closed up?

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
It would be hard for me. It would be hard
for me to say because of the amount of boys
that were there at that time. But here's the kicker
ed that you hadn't heard from me yet. Guess what
those boys were there for at that time when the
school was closed. You're not going to believe this. They
were being treated for sexual offenses. And listen to this.

(01:35:57):
One of the women's staff was arrested for having sexual
dmities with one of the boys and she got arrested. Hello, hello, hello,
you call me?

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Yeah, I do follow. Yeah. Obviously the school was a
haven for pedophiles and stuff like that. Now, absolutely, now
real quick, Now back to the lawsuit. Okay, it was
filed in two thousand and eight and the defendant with
one of the defendants was Tidwell then the Department of
Agriculture and the State of Florida. Now Tidwell, what was

(01:36:33):
his role at the school.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
He was attendent for He started there as at his
father to start with.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
I think that he actually he actually worked on one
of the crews, if I'm correct, for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
I think he was a janitor for a while when
he first came there.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Okay, yeah, Well, and George.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
Had waited all the way up until he became a
superintendent when he became a supermand education, well.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
He actually was head of him. He was head of
home life at the time. He was beating all these children.
And at one time he was a cottage father, which
that was some of the boys that had him for
a cottage father told me the most horrible stories that
I don't even want to talk about. I don't even

(01:37:31):
want to discuss. That man is hit with his relationship.
He had a cottage that was full of kids up
to about eleven, eleven or twelve years old. I got
a letter from one of the White House boys that
some of these kids had. You know, with all that
was going on, you're not going to believe a lot

(01:37:51):
of them were bedweathers. And you can understand that, you know,
because of their treatment another day that were scared out
of than my horse. Yeah, Troy Kidwell, this boy told
me the whole story. He said, Jerry, I'm not gonna lie.
I started withing the bed because I was I was
afraid to even get up and go to the bathroom
at any time. And he said he used to make

(01:38:14):
me carry my mattress when I wed it. I would
have to carry that mattress all the way to the laundry.
And I was eleven years old and I couldn't hardly
carry the damn thing. I mean, what kind of animal
would you do that? What kind of an animal?

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Ed?

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Yeah? Well, bed wedding is an indication of sexual abuse too,
and child abuse absolute being abused with their bed. Now, yes,
so now, now, Tidwell started out, he said, as a
janitor type position, and he worked his way up all
the way to a director's position, in an executive position
in the Now, what are some of what are some

(01:38:53):
of the allegations against Tidwell and his crimes?

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Okay, well, the first thing you need, no sexual dus.
And number one, he.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
Was one armed.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Oh he only had one arm?

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Yeah right, he lost one in a tractor accident or something.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
When he now a shotgun? Shotgun at seven years old? Yeah, yeah, okay,
And let me tell you what the conversation Edie at
his arm.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
He was a strong man, just using one O.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Oh my god, he grabbed you with that arm, buddy,
you did that's.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
The one you did not want to be okay?

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
But no, Now, what are some of the allegations and
why was he the only one charged and the only
defendant You couldn't find anod he was the only one
left alive. What are some of the allegations against him?

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
Do right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
What are some of the allegations against Tidwell?

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
Well, they were.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Booting children, definitely number one. And also there are these
sexual investigations was I I was not aware of until
his name kept coming up to tell me about the
White House boys. It was serious sexual predator, serious sexual predator.

(01:40:12):
He hasn't been named.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Had any I never really had any. And he prove
you to information about the boys getting raped and stuff
like that, you know, because I wasn't part of them.
That never happened to me. You know, they never even
indicated they were going to do that to me. And
you know, but uh, you know, later on, in later years,

(01:40:34):
I find out that this stuff went on all the time,
and I had my suspicions, you know, and I know
that some of the older boys, when they were left
alone with some of the younger boys, they even were
guilty of it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Oh yeah, that's that goes what I'm saying. That's gonna happen. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
I had a man to call me the other night,
and I really feel sorry for this guy. And he
lives out in Oregon state and he's a loner. He
was married one time, seriously sexually abused to the worst
way possible, he even admits in his letter to me,

(01:41:12):
And he told me, you can tell anybody you want.
I don't have a problem with it because I have
suffered all my life. He said, Jerry, what I went
through there at such a young age and was there
so long. I myself when I left that school became
a homosexual. I said, well, you know, I'm not going
to bound you for that, because you know that's just

(01:41:35):
not my position. But you're welcome to talk to me.
He said, my life has been so miserable knowing that
I ended up the way that I am because what
was done to me. And I said, you know, I
believe everything you're telling me, and I see how it's
very possible. He said, I even managed years and years

(01:41:57):
ago I got married. It didn't last months. I said, well,
I can understand that, sir, And he said, I just
want you to know my life would have probably been
so different if I hadn't endured at such a young
age of that type of abuse that was done to me.
And he even named his perpetrators. He named his perpetrators,

(01:42:19):
which I know at least three of them was there
when I was awarded.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
At that school.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Okay, let me ask you this now. How many plaintiffs
were there in this lawsuit?

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
They're actually the number of the White House Boys when
we first started ed numbered a little over five hundred.
I think that we're still alive and involved as a
White House Boy through the years. Now, I think we
probably lost well, yeah, we've probably lost. How many bill

(01:42:56):
do to deaths over the last I probably.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
Wondered about seven or age last year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Okay, but you had a lawsuit in two thousand and eight.
How many complainants were there in the lawsuit?

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Whatever the amount that the that the lawyers had, you know,
as White House Boys.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
Oh, I think there was about five hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Okay, but five hundred, yeah, there's a class action suit then. Okay, Now,
how many depositions and statements and complaints did you get
from the from the victims?

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Oh my god, Oh my god, I haven't got it.
I've got two gigs of files in here, ed two gigs?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Okay? How many? How many complaints? Is that? How many
affidevits they have?

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
You're talking several hundred? If I had the number it down,
I would say probably five hundred to six hundred or.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
More, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
And then as we went along with a program two
years later, a white House boy, not knowing what was
going on, would call me and say, Jerry, I didn't
know all this was going on. I just heard it
on the news. And of course I would get him
signed up, you know what I mean, and he would
tell me his story and I would forward that story

(01:44:09):
to whoever's necessary that needed to hear it. And I
have to live with this ad every day of my life.
What was I'm not bitching about it. I knew what
it was going to involved when I first got in.
What was I will finish this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Somehow, okay. What was the conclusion of the lawsuit? Did it?
And how did it end?

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
It was thrown out because of statute of limitations which
the lawyers knew that before they started, but they had
to do it by law.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Okay, come down. Okay. One's my question now is but
there were there was, there were There's other recent victims though, aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
There There are a lot of recent victims. But let
me say, let me say this to you. The White
House Boys only cover from fifties to the sixties. That's it.
Atlantic called the White House was closed down.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Okay, what are you gonna say, Bill, I.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
Was telling Jerry he was getting loud.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
That's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
I'll apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
No, I don't worry.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
I have to. I have to apologize that to the public.
And please, all of you listen. Is gonna listen to me.
I'll never break this anger and I apologize for it.
But it's just something that I have to deal with.
And the other people, I mean, some people don't even
like talking to me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
They think I'm a they think i'm you know, anger angrier.
I am an angry man. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Okay. But the thing is now, at this point, now
everything's out of court. There's nothing left. There's no legal
recourse available to you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
There's legal legalities going there's legalities going on right now.
Where these boys are to be reinterned, that that were
found on that property, and uh as you know, we
did it. We did receive a public apology from the
governor and the cabinet on January the twenty first, when

(01:46:08):
I was in Tallahassee and I wept. I sat on
that bench in the front and wept because I never
thought I would ever ever hear admitman's to gilid and
being very sorry for what was done to us. And
every one of those cabinet members were sincere including the
governor of the state, Governor Scott, and I actually wept,

(01:46:32):
and I'm embarrassed about it. But you know, I'm not
as tough as I thought I was.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
I guess, so, Billy, what about to say something, Well,
there's nothing to be embarrassed about with something like that,
because that happened to me too. I mean, you know,
it was a long time coming. We've tried to get
that from them, and you know, finally they realized that
what we were telling them did happen. And when they
found out and they finally realized that it happened, then

(01:46:56):
they apologized. You know, it wasn't to them that did it.
You know, if you could go back to the time
that it happened. That's where the apology belongs to that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
But you know, they know that this happened, and that's
one one feather in our cap. We're not lying, we
haven't been. We told the true truth. We told them
exactly what happened to us as kids, and as kids
they wouldn't listen, and then they weren't listening when we

(01:47:28):
were adults. And now somebody finally did. That makes a
lot of difference.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
It does to me because my whole good, my whole
thing that this whole situation, as bad as it's been
on me and my wife for the past eight nine years.
Now I finally got what I begged for. On How'sier
America that night. I spoke to their programmer and he said, Jerry,

(01:47:55):
what is it you want? And this has been quite
a long time ago, I said, sir, I only want
this personally for my personal self. I want an apology
from the state of Florida, including the governor of this
state that would make me at least be able to
lay down and get a little more rest for the

(01:48:15):
rest of what life I have left. And second, I
will say that sir, any man that ever had to
go through what we had to go through by going
to a place called the White House should be considered
to be compensated because it ruins so many lives, so

(01:48:36):
many And that's all I had to say, and I
got my apology. I'm going to be honest with you
in my position right now, whatever they would pay out
is not going to change my lifestyle in any way,
form or fashion. I didn't do it for that. I
did it because I love every one of these men

(01:48:57):
and that are out there, no matter what they've done
in life or how they've ended up. I have too
much compassion and I will continue to hold that passion
till I myself passed.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
Another reason that we were there in Tallahassee at that
time is because there were people that were matched DNA
wise with the kids that they exhumed. Now, these people
were taking their loved ones and they were having to
reinter their remains, and they were having to eat, you know,

(01:49:30):
they were having to bite the bullet, they were having.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
To pay for it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Well, we wanted to make sure that the State of
Florida compensate them in some way to help them with
these burials. Because there was one I know of that
when they got their kids, they've got the bones, the
remains of their loved one. They had to have a
yard sale and take donations in order to get the

(01:49:56):
money to reinter the body. Because they're hustings people, they're
news story. So we wanted to make sure that they
did something. So we suggested, you know, five thousand, but
it went up to seventy five hundred, you know, to
help these families reinter if they get a bone match,

(01:50:16):
if they get a match with the DNA. So they
that's going through the house right now, and it just passed.
So they're going anybody that gets matched with the remains
will get seventy five hundred dollars to help reinter them
wherever they wit.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Right, you want to hear something sad about that ad.
So far, I think there's only been seven or eight matches,
that only twelve donations of DNA. The rest of the kids,
the rest of their children, nobody will ever know their names,

(01:50:54):
they'll never know how they died, and it's just it's terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
It's like somebody, if you everything was done in hand,
was written back in that day because they were in
that computers. So they're sitting there and they write in
anything they want as a cause of death. And like
I said, they had some that tonsilectomy, they had some
that died of pneumonia, they had some that died of

(01:51:23):
TB which there was never you know, and the flu
I mean, there were so many things that they were
writing in and you can tell that they were just
dreaming up diseases or causes for death, you know. And
you were saying that we'll never know because of what.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Jerry, you were saying that you actually witnessed the murder.

Speaker 5 (01:51:51):
Yes, yeah, actually, I said, gar Elton, can you describe it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
To us? Huh?

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Can you describe it?

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
Discuss it?

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
I'd be happy to. July tenth, nineteen and sixty one
Victor Prenzy who was a professional quarterback. He played for
the Giants at one time, he played for the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
Well, let me stop you there, because we only have
about eight minutes to finish up this last story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
To make a long story short, we were practicing football
in the middle of the summer, which is against state
regulations and laws for the state of Florida at that time,
you were not allowed to be practicing in the summer
and prepare yourself to go against the other schools and

(01:52:48):
states that you would face. We were actually practicing against
the law. It must have been one hundred and ten
degrees in that gym that day, and we would either practice.
We would practice in the gym, or we would practice
way out behind the school at the baseball field, because
if we practice on our football field, everybody could go

(01:53:10):
by and see his practicing. Well, it was so hot
in that gym that day, and Victor Prensey, the quarterback
that was our coach, was standing in the middle of
the gym and we were doing Chrisscrofts passes. Edgar Elton
got so out of breath that he couldn't even stand up,

(01:53:30):
and he collapsed in front of me. He was two
people in front of me, and I ran up to
him and I bent down on my knee and I said,
what's the matter matter with you, Edgar? He said, Jerry,
I'm not even supposed to be playing football, states that
I am not to be in any type of sports activity.

(01:53:55):
I got up and tried to run. George didwell, and
that Hatton who was in the gym at the time,
and I had attacked these guys when we were in
the White House. I'm not gonna lie to you about that.
That's probably why I got one hundred and thirty five lashes.
But that's the material I knew that Hatton himself was
scared to death of me. He was petrified of me.

(01:54:17):
And I ran towards him because Edgar still on his
knees on the floor, not able to run. And when
I ran towards him, he pulled his pistol and he said,
mf you take one more step and I'll blow you
away right on this floor. And he could have got
away with it. He could have got away with that.
I returned back immediately and told Edgar to stay down,

(01:54:38):
and did well. Rushed over and grabbed me by the shoulder,
pushed me back, told Edgar get off his gold bricking
ass and get back on that floor. Well, he made
one more run, sir, and when he come back to
get back in line, he felt like a rock had
hit that gym floor. He was dead, instantly, instantly dead.

(01:55:03):
His heart had blew apart. He ready into death. And
when I talked to law enforcement about it, that's considered
either a second degree murder or first degree manslaughter. And
that's my story and I'm sticking to it. And Bell Price,
you tell them what you saw, and they trained they

(01:55:24):
tried to help that boy in that yellow jacket, which
is a lie. You tell them what happened, buddy, when
you were outside the gym kicking field goals.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Tell them, Yeah, I was out on the football field
which is adjacent to the gym, and I was there
for you know, I was out there kicking and everything.
And then I saw the commotion happened in the gym,
and I saw all the boys, the other boys come
out of the gym and head back towards the dorm.

(01:55:53):
So when they took off and they went back towards
the dorms, you know, of course I'm sitting there, Hey,
what's going on? What's going on? And one of them
came by the field and he said, Edgar fell. You know,
I don't think he knew that Edgar was dead then,
but they said that he got immediate somebody immediately came
over and helped him. Well, for five minutes later, I

(01:56:17):
saw them come out with one of the They had
the old army cocks like they used in Korea, you know,
the candice ones. The two of the boys had him
on the cot and carried him towards the infirmary, towards
the hospital, and I said, but they had to blanket

(01:56:38):
over his face. So then I called one of the
boys coming that was out, and I said, what the
hell happened? So then he started telling me that he
collapsed and you know that he died. And then later
on I think they carried him to the hospital downtown afterwards,
and that's when they checked and they said the heart

(01:56:59):
blew up. But they said that they helped him immediately,
and they did not. It was forty five minutes before
the every bought him out of there. And no, Edward, you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:07):
Know ed ed yeh, Let me speak, Let me speak
to you. I sent you the yellow jacket about his death.
It says in the yellow jacket that this boy Edgar
was not involved in any physical activity at the time.
What do you think of that, ed What do you
think of that? Ad? There was no way, there was

(01:57:29):
no state of the yellow jacket.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
And there was no autops or anything like that. Of course, right.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
There was an autopsy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
There was.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
There was an autopsy and found to be a heart
attacked to degree. I think the boy he told me
that he had He told me on the floor that
he had asthma and he was not supposed to be
participating in any fashion.

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
Do you know how they do autopsies up there. Yeah, Well,
I had a sheriff chase a fifteen year old boy
that ran away from the school. This sheriff's deputy was
running behind the boy with a thirty thirty rifle and
he fired the rifle and hit the boy in the

(01:58:12):
back of the head. He said that he was firing
warning shots and killed this boy. And that was the
last of the investigation.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
Yeah, nameless Phillips and Mary Moell that was in nineteen
sixty one had now fifteen years old.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Real quick. It was only got like a minute left now.
When I was researching this to find a guest for
the show, there was a senator that just was involved
in something recently in it. Now, what's going on with Nelson?

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
Who was it? Bill Nelson?

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
No, it was a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
US Congressman Bill Nelson is heavily involved in this, and
he even made a who was the governor Robert Martine
is our actual governor and into the Bill nows and
just made an apology to all of us just last week.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
It's in the newspaper, So real quick, is there is
there any chance of anything getting reopened in this and
an investigation, some kind of conviction, some kind of loss
of anything.

Speaker 5 (01:59:15):
I don't know that you know what we've been, what
we've been to do.

Speaker 4 (01:59:19):
Now, we're just going to try and see if we
can get some of the guys' money through a claims bill.
But I think first we have to get the FEDS
involved and let the FEDS do an investigation rather than
let Florida police itself.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Okay, guys, Unfortunately we're totally we're totally out of time.
So we're here with Bill Price and Jerry Cooper. The
website is official White houseboys dot org. Guys, thank you
so much for coming on the show. If anything new
comes up, give me a call right away. We'll put
you right back on.

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
You are okay, Hey, Ed, before you go, can you
talk to me a second?

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
Sure we were off the air, but what's up.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
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