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May 10, 2023 • 34 mins
Not so fun fact: there have been 200 mass shootings which have claimed over 11,000 lives in the United States this year. For those counting, we're at 130 days this year which means we're averaging more than one shooting a day. Those numbers ARE. NOT. O. K. Gun violence needs to end in this country and I feel something I can do is remind my listeners about the stories of survivors and victims. Brenda Spencer is known as the mother of school shootings. Hopefully by hearing her story, we do not forget the lives of the victims of Grover Cleveland Elementary School. Originally broadcast August 30, 2019.

Written by Schuyler Fastenau-Jones and executive produced by Daniel Fastenau-Jones. Additional voices by Aimee Euwell, Fred Fastenau, Christian Corpora, Keelan Brown, Daniel Fastenau-Jones, Taylor Walter, Mike Allen, Ryan Call, Heather Geisler, Shaina Hammer, Julie Sesnovich, Alec Nielson. Cover artwork by Catherine Fastenau.

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A note to listeners before we begin. Today's episode includes sound effects of gunshots
and focuses on a school shooting.Therefore, some may find this episode disturbing.

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Growing up, I used to dreadschool. Not because I hated going
or didn't have any friends or somethinglike that. I hated saying in classes
doing things I didn't really care aboutwhen I could have been out doing something
much more important to me, writing. I've always been a storyteller. It
was even voted most likely to bepublished. Not to brag my junior and

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senior years, I took these ultraadvanced courses in the International Backlaureate Program or
IB for short for those unfamiliar withthis program. Students enrolled essentially take two
year long courses that culminate in afinal exam at the end of your senior
year. Score high enough on theexam and you get college credit. Get
below the desired member and you wastedtwo years and hundreds of dollars of your

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college fund. Most of my friendsin those classes were crying because they got
an A instead of an A.Well. I was pulling a solid B
minus or so and getting frustrated becauseI didn't have time to write my first
soon to be best selling novel.Part of me felt like a failure because
I could have been doing better inschool, but simply decided my time was
better spent writing my wacky ideas.Today, those students either wasted their potential

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and still live at home or becameengineers and scientists. Me. I work
in Hollywood and have this podcast onthe side, so I guess we're all
winners in the end. Side note, I now believe IB really stands for
it's bullshit. When I got tomy college orientation and mentioned the classes,
the orientation leaders literally had no ideawhat they were so lesson of the day.

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If you're a high school student,stick with the AP program. It's
easier and more likely to get thecollege credit you deserve. Now, although
I dreaded going to school, Iwas still able to pull myself together ninety
nine percent of the time and getmy button class. Before that, seven
thirty bell rang. But for oneyoung lady, even though she had a
little bit of passion, she wasnever able to tap into it and instead

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destroyed hundreds of lives. The reasonwhy she did it makes the act all
the more disturbing. Welcome to deadTime, stories. The morning of Monday,

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January twenty ninth, nineteen seventy ninestarted quite normally, as they often
do. The pupils of Grover ClevelandElementary in San Diego, California happily made
their way to the classroom, skippinga long chatter way mindlessly with their parents.
We're thinking about how nice it wouldbe when the final bell called out
at three. It was a chillymorning, low forties, with frost still

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sticking to the ground. Ba baba dude, Baha dude. As the
eight thirty bell rang, Principal BurtonRag happily sauntered to the school's entrance,
as he did every morning. Hiswavy brown hair was perfectly in place as
he unlocked the gate for students andgreeted them with his friendly smile. Good

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morning, Billy, Hey, happyto see you, Tana, Brad,
don't forget to spit out that chewinghim. Just a few feet from the
school was eight year old Monica Selvic. For one reason or another, she
had walked ahead of her older sisterLinda. She might have mumbled under her
breath about a trivial argument the twohad earlier that morning. Fourth grader Cam

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Miller rubbed the front of his newblue vest with a smile on his face
as his mother drove by their usualdrop off spot. Hey, mom,
you met the gate. I know, sweetie, it's just so chilly out
and I don't want you to freezewalking all the way across that big playground.
So we're going to the front gatetoday, momma. As missus Miller
slowed the car down, she hearda loud bang. Oh goodness, somebody

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must be having car trouble, whichreminds me your father needs to take ours
to the shop. Wait, giveme a kiss. Well, don't be
embarrassed. I'll see you at three. Be safe. Cam shut the door.
She's still burning from the embarrassing kissand walked to the gate, but
he came to a sudden stopped atthe sight of Monica squirming on the ground,

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his headcock to the side as shelooked up at him. Did you
just set off that firework? Camdidn't have much time to comprehend the situation.
Shortly after hearing another popping sound,a shockwave rolled through his body and
he collapsed to the ground. PrincipalBurton Rag looked up as another shot rang
out and flung the gates wide open. Get inside, kids, get in

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right now. Principal Rag ran tohelp his students. Another little girl,
Crystal Hardy, sat on the groundhysterically crying as her principle bent over to
help ranging inside. Don't worry,sweetheart, We're going to get you to
the nurse's office. Another shot rangout. By this point, several teachers

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were aware of the shocking events happeningjust outside their classrooms and ran outside.
Daryl Barnes, who had just finisheda cup of coffee with mister Rag minutes
before, ran out the side doorjust in time to see these colleagues spin
around and fall beside Crystal. Whenhe knows the red patch forming on Burton's
chest, adrenaline took over. Bobby, get inside and don't come out until

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told. Miss Miller, call thepolice. We have a shooter. Hang
on, Bert, I've got you. Darrell turned to see the custodian running
across the front lawn with a towelin his hand. Mike, no,
but it was too late. Ohmy god. The custodian fell beside mister
Rag. It's okay. Kids,just get inside. Cover your ears.

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Crystals, come here, honey,that's right, Just stuck your head and
keep running. Mister Crystal held upher arm to show off the gaping hole
in her wrist. Go to thenurse, run and don't stop. Mister

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Barnes looked up to see another carpulling up to the school, blissfully unaware
of the chaos. The side dooropened and one child poked their head out
with a smile. No, no, no, no, go home.
Go. The mother looked at him, confused as another shot rang out,
then grabbed her child and sped off. By eight forty five police arrived at

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the school and set up a blockadeto prevent any other students from coming.
This included the first victim, sisterLinda Selvic. The ten year old approached
an officer, Young, lady,get home. It's not safe. My
sister's at school already. Mister,what's happening? I send to get home
to your parents. One officer,Robert rob rushed in to help the injured,

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but quickly received a bullet to theneck. He winced in pain,
but pushed through. We have tomake it harder to hit these kids.
How Rob, get that garbage chokeover here. Acting quickly, one of

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the officers took control of the truck, gunning it in reverse until it blocked
the school. Meanwhile, thirsty toknow what was happening at Grover Cleveland Elementary,
a reporter with the San Diego UnionTribune called houses on Lake Atland Avenue,
the street, the school and shooter. We're on. Yeah, good

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morning. This This is Gus Stevenswith the Union Tribune. Have you heard
about this crazy shooting in your neighborhood? Yeah? Do you know the address
of the shooter? Sure, sixtythree fifty six Lake Atland Avenue. That's
your house. Yeah. Who doyou think is shooting? Do you realize

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you shot two or three people?Is that all I thought? I shot
about twelve. It's kind of funto watch their bodies squirm on the ground.
Is there a reason you're doing this? I don't like mondays. The
Slaven's up the day. What doyou think about them? We're in a

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spencer. I have to go now. I shot a pig, I think,
and I want to shoot some more. The shooting only lasted about fifteen

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minutes, but that was long enoughto injure eight kids and one police officer,
Principal Rag and custodian Mike Suker wouldn'tsurvive. The shooting ended predominantly because
the SWAT team surrounded the home ofsixteen year old Brenda Spencer. The high
school student brushed aside her long,straight, ginger hair and tilted her black

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ski cap down with a wicked grinon her face. She had no intention
of coming outside. While she remainedlocked away, Police and SWAT escorted the
kids through the back of the school. Those injured were rushed to two hospitals.
Whether wounds were treated, most wereable to leave by the end of
the day. Brenda Spencer, asI'm sure you've guessed by now, was

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not your typical high school student.The youngest of three kids, Brenda was
born in April third, nineteen sixtytwo, to Wallace and Dot Spencer.
Wallace was an audio visual specialist ata local college and, according to Dot,
had wandering eyes for other women.Oh you finally home, Wally,
Dinner's almost ready. Wallace blankly staredaround the room. Wallace, sit down,

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we need to talk. I metsome one a few weeks ago.
Jesus Christ. Now, listen,we got three kids, so I'm committed.
All zat is a year off fromyou and try things with this new
woman. If it don't work,I'll come back. Fuck you, Wally,
I want a divorce. In nineteenseventy two, Dot and Wallace officially

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separated. The court gave custody ofBrenda and her two older siblings to Wallace.
Within a few years, her siblingsmoved out, leaving Brenda with nobody
but her father. This is wheremost sources agree the problems began. Without
a strong parental figure in her life, Brenda was left to cope with their
sorrows alone and truly had no ideahow to do this best. One morning,

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Brenda's young neighbor, Colleen Davidson,dropped by for a visit. Hi,
Brenda, it's Colleen. I cansee dummy. Want to play Barbies?
A grin not unlike the grenches,spread across Brenda's face as Colleen held
up her pristine doll. Sure,gimme that Barbie. I have some clothes

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I can give you. Okay.Colleen happily handed her doll over and Brenda
shut the door. The little girlbounced up and down as she eagerly awaited
Brenda's return with the dolly clothes.Here you go, kid. Colleen looked
down at her Barbie aghast and onehand she held the body and then the

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other the doll's head. Some saythis was a sign Wallace abused Brenda,
and I say it was a signshe was disturbed. Classes in research have
taught me all serial killers began theircareers by pulling wings from flies. Colleen's
Barbie head was Brenda's fly wings.It wasn't just dolls Brenda destroyed. After

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the divorce, she started hanging withthe wrong group of friends and experiment into
with drugs and summer in nineteen seventyeight, Brenda sat on her front porch
with a BB gun, having nothingelse to do. That evening, Brenda
filled her gun with pellets and headedout on a special mission of sorts.

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She looked at Grover Cleveland Elementary witha smile, held up the BB gun
and fired at one of the windows. The glass shattered and Brenda slid her
extremely skinny body through the opening.The classroom was mostly empty for the summer,
but Daryl Barnes had left a fewknickknacks line around. Brenda went on
a rampage, wriggling the classroom withbullets. She may have dented the chalkboard,

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shattered a cup of pencils or writtenvulgar words on the desks. Then
spotting a photograph of Darrel with hisstudents, Brenda grinned. She closed one
eye and shot the pellet ripped ahole right through Darryl's skull. Shit.

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Brenda gained her love of shooting fromher father. Having a military background,
Wallace was an excellent shot and enjoyedweekend drives to the mountains for target practice.
Once Brenda was old enough, hebrought her along. Just know that,

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Brenda, there ain't nothing like mountainair here. Who's my old rifle?
What are we aiming for? See? If you can hit that bearcamp?
Easy? Damn not shot, kid, Give me something harder. These

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trips to the woods were perhaps theonly time Wallace showed Brenda any sign of
love to her successful marksman show.It was the one thing she could do
to keep her dad happy. Overthe years, she became an expert shot,
which might explain Christmas morning. You'vebeen hitting at this a while now,

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I hope you like it. Oh, I know exactly what it is.
Brenda finished, slashing through the paper, eyes ugging out of her skull.
Her heart suddenly sank. But foryour very own gun. Wallace pulled
a new gun out from behind thecouch, a Ruger semi automatic twenty two

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caliber rifle, the very gun Brendawould use in a few months on the
students. I wanted a radio.This probably was not the only argument Brenda
had with her father, and asshe was growing older, she needed someone
to vent to. This came inthe form of a young man named Brent

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Fleming. Seeing as Brenda has saidshe's been gay since birth, I doubt
there was a romantic connection between thetwo, but there was a strong friendship.
One afternoon, they opted to smokeweed instead of at tent class.
Easy tiger, If you can handleit, I can handle it. Give

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me another hint. Shit, maam, I'm tired of hiding grass from pigs.
Yeah, it's fucking bullshit. Weshould shoot him up. Yeah,
wait, what you see that TVspecial last night? I want to do

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something big. Make it into everyone'sliving room. Yeah, that's fucking genius.
Everyone would know her names. Damnright, pass me the joint.
Fast forward to Sunday, January twentyeighth, just one day before Brenda's attack

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on the school. Wallace walked inafter a long day keys jingling at his
side. Brenda finished setting dinner onthe table and eyed her father's keys.
Where are we haven't leftovers? Iguess that'll work. Give me your keys.

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I left something in the truck.Brenda hadn't actually left anything in the
truck. All she wanted was thebullets he stashed inside. With these stucked
away, she went back in witha grin ah. The next morning,

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Brenda woke up feeling ill. Sherolled out of bed, eyes glossy and
hair messy. Since she shared thebedroom with her father, yes, I
know we won't open that can ofworms. Sharing the same bedroom as her
father, it wasn't hard for Brendato walk a few feet to his bed
and say I don't feel well.Really, not wanting to deal with his

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daughter, Wallace accepted her excuse andcalled it into her school before leaving for
work. Brenda watched him drive away, then unleashed her plan. She placed
the black beanie on her head andslipped into a black jacket in khaki pants
before grabbing the scoped rifle. Sheopened her bedroom window and waited for the
eight thirty bell before taking her firstshot at Monica. Meanwhile, Spencer,

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who worked in Tory Pines had thenews on as she counted money. We
interrupt your morning broadcast with breaking newscoming from Grover Cleveland Elementary School and San
Carlos's Brenda's house. Bizarre. Hello, Dot Spencer, I'm which Sand Carlos

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PD. We need you to comein for questions regarding your daughter. Well,
I really can't. I have thousandsof dollars in my desk and on
the way, ma'am. Police soonhad Dot and custody to find out all
they could about her daughter. Backon Lake Atland Avenue, the SWAT team
aimed their guns at Brenda's home forjust over six hours as a negotiator called

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over and over and an attempt toget her to come out. Finally,
at three o nine pm, thestudents have been evacuated. There's nobody here
to kill other than my team,and trust me, you even attempt to
injure one of them, and it'slights out. So let me ask you
one final time, what's it goingto take to get you out here?

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Well, I'm a little hungry.Could I get a whopper from Burger King?
Yes? Several sources say that thisactually happened. Brenda emerged from the
house set the rifle on the drivewayand allowed officers to take her into custody.

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Everybody wanted to know why this younggirl, described as no bigger than
a bar of soap would attempt totake so many young lives, sadly asked.
Of July twenty nineteen, there havebeen twenty two school shootings this year,
but in nineteen seventy nine this wasthe first. The public wouldn't get
an answer right away, though,as Brenda opted to plead guilty, therefore

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forfeiting a jury trial. Initially,police thought she was drunk due to the
amount of empty bottles around the house, but a toxicology report would later show
Brenda had neither alcohol nor drugs inher system. Her hatred for Mondays would
have to be the only answer fornow. According to her defense attorney Michael

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mclin, Brenda was scared and almostin tears on April fourth, nineteen eighty,
just one day after her eighteenth birthday. Brenda was tried as an adult
and given twenty five years to lifeand a return of events. She was
allowed the chance at Pearl in thirteenyears. Every weekend, Wallace would drive

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the five hour round trip to visitBrenda in prison. This was when he
met Sheila, Brenda's seventeen year oldsell meate, just wait, that's important,
so was be Sheila? Will youwent for You don't have that when
someone's about to be released. Anyplans once you're free, going to a

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group. But I'd rather stay someplaceelse, somewhere with a strong guy.
She winked at Wallace and he grinned. After her release, she lived at
a stant at a halfway house,but eventually ran away to live with Wally
after he got her pregnant again seventeenyears old, and lived with Wallace's daughter

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in prison. One morning, Sheilawent outside to grab the paper, and
a patrol car just happened to bedriving by Holy shit, Brenda. He
called up the DA. Did BrendaSpencer get released? Oh you must have
seen Sheila. That's Wally Spencer's newgirly. She looks just like Brenda.

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Trust me, we know, butdon't worry. Brenda still locked up tight.
Eventually, Sheila had a daughter andthen abandoned both Wallace and child.
As of two thousand and six,the daughter was studying sociology at the University
of California, but doesn't speak aboutthe shooting or her mother. At Wallace's
request, after more than a decadeof silence, the public finally got a

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glimpse inside the mind of Brenda Spencerwhen she appeared for an interview. It
was nineteen ninety three and her firstparole had just been denied. Brenda's long
hair from the seventies was replaced bya horrendous mullet. During my court appearances,
they left a lot of paperwork outthat would have had a lot of
bearing on my trial, such as, well, there's lack there's two sets

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of toxicology reports, the ones thatwent to court with me said I was
on no drugs or alcohol, andthen there's an independent lab test from the
same blood samples that show I hadblood alcohol levels and a lethal amount of
drugs in my system, and thatwas never raised in court. If I

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had had no drugs or alcohol inmy system, then I'm just a cold
blooded killer and that's not who Iam. Okay, let's go back to
that morning. Had you been drinkingall night? Yeah, I've been drinking
pretty much the whole week before that. I had missed school, like the

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whole previous week, So that wholeweek ahead of time is it's pretty much
a blur. You know, onebottle of booze after another. Okay,
you're on whiskey, PCP. Thenwhat happened? It's Monday morning. I
have a very fragmented memory of thewhole day. Mostly what I remember is

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what I read in the police reports. I couldn't take you step by step
through the whole day, but Ibasically know what happened. Brenda is definitely
not a reliable source. Again,toxicology report said she was not on anything
at the time of the shooting.A few years after this interview, in

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nineteen ninety eight, Brenda was setfor her second parole hearing. As she
nervously waited, reporters set up outsidethe building, ready to get the scoop
on America's first school shooter. Butthen Brenda's defense attorney, Keith stim rushed
into the room where Deputy da AndreaChrisanti waited. She's a withdrawing her request.

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What we start in three minutes?I know, I know, but
for reasons we can't go into rightnow. Brenda has chose to postpone.
I'm sure it's because she knows we'regoing to deny her parole. Oh well,
saves us some time. Tell hershe can try again in three years.
You're not being fair. Brenda's adjustingvery well to prison life, and

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it's proven to be a model inmate. She even learned how to fix small
appliances. Sure she's been good.Lock anyone up with the hope of a
way out and they'll behave however youwant. We think she should still do
life. She killed two people.How can she repay that? How could
we take that risk of killing againif she were released. Brenda's next parole

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in two thousand and one didn't goany better. Miss Spencer. On the
morning of the shooting of a reporterasked why you did it, and you
responded, I don't like mondays thislivens up the day. Do you still
stand by that. I don't remembertalking to any reporters that morning. As
I've told you before, I'd beenout all week drinking and doing drugs.

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The three member parole board denied herrequest. At least this time she showed
up. Brenda would appear in courtagain in two thousand and five, her
hair still gingery, but her wirethin frame replaced by a puffy exterior.
Do you think you'll have trouble findingemployment when you leave. No, I

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don't. Why not, because Ihave marketable skills. What would you like
to do upon release. I'd liketo drive a forklift what you're doing right
now? Yes. The parole boardmembers looked on, uninterested in anything Brenda
or her advocates had to say.Much like pass parole hearings, Brenda denied
remembering anything about the morning of theshooting. Then let's talk about your state

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of mind. You had a failedrelationship in prison, that's correct. After
she broke up with you, youtook a hot paper clip and branded yourself
with the words courage and pride.Why courage and pride? That's not actually
what it says. It's written inruins, and I think they made a
mistake when they read it. Okay, what does it say? It says

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unforgiven and alone. I see whythose words. I always envied the other
kids. My father never wanted me. The kids at school had parents who
love them. I was given agun on Christmas because my father wanted me
to kill myself with it. Didhe tell you that? Not exactly?

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How's your relationship with your father?Now we've gotten to be friends. When
I was younger, we had alot of problems. There's a lot of
abuse. What do you remember inregards to abuse by your father? I
remember being hit in the face alot, being hit in the ribs,
being yelled at, called names.I remember him coming home from work and

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being all mad and smacking me inthe head, and on different nights he
would just almost to rape me.Did you say almost like he would touch
me inappropriately? Did your father performsodomy and that led to digital penetration yes,

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and later to intercourse yes. Soare you now indicating that there was
actual intercourse? I guess you wouldcall it sodomy. Brenda, do you
have anything else you'd like to say? I realize that nothing I do,
and no amount of time will bringmister Rag or mister Super back, and

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it won't erase the fear and stuffthat I've given to those kids and mister
Rob. I just want them toknow that I'm very sorry, and I
don't know how to make it upto them, but I try every day
to make myself a better person becauseI don't want anything this horrible to ever

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happen again. Brenda has taken awaywhile the Parole Board debated. A mere
fifteen minutes later, she was broughtback. At this time, the panel
has come to a decision. Unfortunately, this world is filled with things that
should never happen to children. However, that does not allow them to perpetrate
violence on others. I know howdifficult it must be for you, miss

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Spencer, to be able to comeout here in front of all these people
and talk about something that you havekept silent for so many years. I
think Miss Spencer has made a breakthrough. She is attempting not to be the
person she was so many years ago. This is not a life without possibility
of parole. She does have theright to be reviewed. It is not

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reasonable to expect the parole will begranted in the next four years. Good
luck, Miss Spencer. Thank you. This hearing is a journey. Brenda
would return once again in two thousandand nine for a parole hearing, where
she brought up not remembering the morningher alleged drug use and sexual abuse.
Once again, the board recommended shecontinued to be a model inmate and stay

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on medication. This time though,she would not be eligible for another hearing
until August twenty nineteen. The shootingat Grover Cleveland Elementary would forever change the

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lives of Americans and all of thoseinvolved. Cam Miller, the boy wearing
his blue vest the morning of theshooting, learned blue was Brenda's favorite color.
Still to this day, he can'tbring himself to wear anything blue.
As for America, I believe there'sa piece of innocence stripped away that day
when we learned even children weren't safegoing to familiar place like school. Most

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people didn't believe Brenda's shot simply becauseshe hated Mondays, and everyone has an
opinion on who's really to blame.Brenda's mother feels partially responsible. In two
thousand and five, she claimed thatif she had stayed with Wally a bit
longer, she may have been ableto give Brenda more loving upbringing. Some
say Wallace is to blame for providingBrenda with the gun that Christmas. To

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that all he had to say wasnone of their damn business. Of course,
many take the same view as PrincipalBurton Rag's daughter. Unless someone else's
hand was holding Brenda's finger as shepulled the trigger, there's nobody else to
blame but her. I will say, if there's any redeeming quality. To
Brenda, It's this her two thousandand one parole hearing. She stood before

(32:43):
the board and proclaimed, with everyschool shooting, I feel I'm partially responsible.
What if they got their idea fromwhat I did. It's hard to
say whether we would have school shootingstoday had Brenda Spencer not picked up a
gun that morning. Nobody's asking formy opinion, But even if Brenda had

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been stopped, someone else would haveinevitably open fire first. All we can
do now is hope that someday,very soon, we will see the last
of violence on innocent people. TheCase of the Mondays was written and produced
by me Skyler Fastenow, Amy Yuellvoice Brenda Spencer, Fred Fastenow voice Principal

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Rag and Parole Board member, ChristianKropora voice Wallace Spencer, Cam Miller and
Gus Stevens Keelan Brown voice Mister Barnes, reporter and Officer, Daniel Jones voiced
Officer Rob Sheila and Bred Fleming,Taylor Walter voice Dot Spencer and Monica Selvic.
Mike Allen voice Chester Thurston the Thirdand Richard Sachs Ryan call voice,

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Mike Sucker and Keith Stanton, HeatherGeysler voiced Da Chrysanti and Linda Selvic,
Shane A. Hammer voice, ColleenDavidson, Julie Sestanovich voice Kam's mom,
and Alec Nielsen voice Crystal Hardy.The memory of Burton Rag and Mike's super
has been memorialized by a plaque atthe site Burton fell, even though the

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school was closed and the eighties andthe site was being redeveloped a few years
ago. To my knowledge, theplaque still remains in place. If you
enjoyed this episode, make sure tosubscribe, rate, and leave a comment
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Instagram and Facebook for updates on thepodcast and behind the scenes photos. Don't

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forget that Deadtime Stories is a biweekly podcast, so I will be back
with another chapter in two weeks.Until then, stay safe out there.
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