Ep. 388 - Carbon Mike talks about his Second Amendment battle against the state of New York

Political commentator Carbon Mike joins the show to talk about how the state of New York is trying to take his freedom away for exercising his Second Amendment rights.

Episode Transcript

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taped the interview earlier and we're gonnaget to it just a little bit.
But first, miss O'Malley, we'vehad an adventure at the beginning of this
show, haven't we. Uh huh? We shared it. Let me tell
you, and y'all be thinking myTV hot like this one, y'all.
I'm gonna let you continued, Garvey, yall, I'm gonna let you continue.

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Yeah. We uh, y'all,y'all hear all that attitude that she
got her foot straight down. Wegonna we're gonna explain that a little bit.
But first, miss O'Malley, howare you? You know what?
I'm actually really good. I'm takingthe weekend off from work, so I
am ecstatic about that because, likeI told y'all last week, my baby

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turns ten this Sunday. So we'reabout to party. We're gonna be out
here, have you good time.So but I am good. How are
you? I'm good? I'm good. Y'all gonna be popping bottles of fruit
punch all over the pues, eatingthe kids snacks and whatnot because we want
to know where we can get freefruit snacks. Well, Dante, I

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think you won't punishment right now,I can still come get some fruit snacks.
You better come with the box,right you can't let me starve.
Rob don't show up with out abox of proof snacks. Now this is
now. Let me explain to theaudience with y'all hearing right now. See,

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before this show started, we couldnot find danje. Now we know,
we know that that's unusual. He'she's a solid brother. He's not
somebody that's just gonna just not showup and not hear from him or nothing.
So we like, where is heso we we did this interview that

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you're gonna hear in a little bitbecause we want to keep the guests waving.
But then afterwards, I'm like,yo, we're still let her from
Dote and Robie like I hope youall right. And so when she said
that, I'm like, damn,you know what, I hope he is
all right. I'm like, letme try to call this fool again.
I'm trying to call him here inhis house. Sleep knocked out, Okay,

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we normally just a little inside baseballoff everybody. We normally try to
meet, you know, seven thirtyon Fridays, right, so, I
you know, got home, tooka load off for a second, was
like, okay, I'm gonna I'mgonna take a quick nap. It was
like six o three. It waslike, I'm gonna just take a quick

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nap. I'll be all right.I'm not really that sleepy. The famous
last words before you wake up late. Okay, famous last words before you
wake up completely. If my ifDarbio wouldn't have pulled the trick of the
sentry and face timmed me so thephone would actually ring, I will still
be sleep Because it was silent andit's over. Okay. I that's my

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bad. Robin. Please stop beingmad because Robin, Robin got that mom
energy. Man. I hope weain't dead on the side of the road.
Man's like everything possible went through myhead and like, you know what.
That's why I told Dante y'all thatI'm gonna need his mama's phone number

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because I'm gonna call her and I'mgonna be like, is that tell?
Okay? Okay, he just sleep. But that's not the first thought that
goes through something. I mean,it was like the third thought. Now
mind you just to just to tellthe audience. So Dante told y'all,
we normally will take the show aroundseven thirty. Now he said he went

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to sleep at six. It iscurrently eight forty four. While we're as
we're picking back up the oh yeah, recording yourself. I told him I
was on pace too. That wasabout to be one of those if we
didn't have to show them, likelet's say it was a Saturday or a
thirst day, it was gonna beone of those times where you think you're

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about to sleep, maybe just takea quick name app and get up and
then do what you gotta do.For the rest of the night, and
then you wake up at like tenor twelve and you have no idea what
day it is. You've been sleepyou got nothing done, so now you
upset and you don't you ever noticedthat you will take a quick nap,
you'll wake up you have that'll besome of the greatest sleep ever because you

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didn't realize you were sleep for sevenhours. Wake up because you're like,
man, I wanted to do X, Y and Z and I couldn't get
it done. That's why I don'tlike to take it. I'm that tired.
I'm tired. I'm just gonna takeit on. I ain't tired,
I ain't exactly very like. That'swhy I like taking naps. Like that's

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very old man of you, Dante. I love taking naps. Well,
I don't like because I think Idon't like taking naps. And this is
why, because I think a lotof us, including me, we function
tired because we just have a lotof stuff to do, and we be
tired a lot of times. Youdon't know how tired you really are until
you go to sleep, and acat a cat nap will turn into Dante.

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That's why I don't I love thefeeling of napping, but it never
turns into a nap. It's alwayslonger than it's supposed to be. Yeah,
I will sit up and nap allafternoon if I had nothing going.
I remember saying, I think itwas a Dell Givings on the On a

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Deaf Comedy Jam special, and shewas talking about getting older. She said,
you have to took a nap thatwas so long that you had to
wake up to get ready for bed, like you had to get out of
bed ready for bed. You're like, damn, And then you can't go
to bed though, like because thennow you're done slept the whole day.
And I hate that because I'll goto sleep, I'll take that nap,

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wake up, oh damn, it'ssuch and such a time, and then
go to sleep. And at threeo'clock in the morning, I'm wide away.
It's like damn, yep, youtake go back. Then then I
ain't going back to sleep until likefive or six, and then you gotta
start your day. At that point, if your whole sleep schedule or whatever,
if you end up doing something that'llmess your whole entire sleep pattern,

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because if you do that on likea Tuesday, and you end up having
to stay up it's four Like let'ssay it's four o'clock and you wake up,
Well, you can't go back tosleep right now, you gotta go
to work and so now, butthen by two pm you're done, Yeah
you did. You can't go thisbecause I'm you know, to finish out
to the eight hours at work.Then you come home thinking and if you

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go to sleep again, it's gonnabe the same thing. So you either
got to force yourself to stay upor just ruin your whole sleep schedule for
the whole week, right right,exactly, all right. So on that
note, yes, ladies and gentlemen, we found you could put down the
search lights. We found Dante,we found where he was at Ladies and
gentleman. So on that note,we have a special interview that we're gonna

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get to right now. We havea very special guest on the show today.
This brother is dealing with some seriousthings that I think we definitely need
to bring some more attention to.So first Carbon, Mike, welcome to

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the show. How you doing.Sorry, everything is good, brother,
How you doing? I'm all right, I'm all right, man. So
first, before we get into thenitty gritty. Tell everybody a little bit
about yourself. Sure. My realname is Jaxter Taylor. I'm a software
engineer, been in the business almostthirty years. I'm I'm a father.

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I'm an amateur radio operator, licensedcall sign Katie two lo Om. I'm
a lifelong New Yorker and for thepast few years now, I have also
been kind of a conservative commentator online, you know, posting things as carbon

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Mike and doing podcasts. The founderof the Foundationist Society and the State of
New York thinks I'm a dangerous felon. All right, let's talk about that,
man. Just start from the top. What's going on, yes,
sir? So A few years ago, I became interested in gunsmithing and I

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realized, I don't know how itwas that some of these people started to
come into my YouTube feed, butI realized that there were people out there
who were actually building their own firearms. So they would buy what we're called
eighty percent receivers, they'd machined themto completion, you know, in their
own machine shop, and then they'dadd parts and they'd have a finished firearm.

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And I remember, you know,I started watching these videos and I
was hooked, and I said,I've got to get into this, and
so I started buying parts online.You know, fun fact, I have
a machine shop in my basement.Among other things, I build furniture.
And I started getting parts and puttingthings together and teaching myself this craft.

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And again I thought that was justthe coolest, most traditional thing you could
possibly do. And of course,this was as far as I knew legal,
because one I was not and Iam not a prohibited person. I
have a squeaky clean record, andI was not buying anything that well.

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First, I wasn't using any subterfugeto buy anything. I was using my
own name and my credit cards andwhat have you. And I was buying
parts that were that were not classifiedby the government as firearms. I knew
that much. So anyway, didfor a while built a handful of glock
style pistols, and then moved onto AR fifteen rifles, and I built

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eight what I think of very sexyrifles. And I also started to realize
that as I got deeper into thisculture of these people across the country who
were kind of tinkering with weapons andtesting things and doing product reviews and what
have you, I realized that thiswas this was potentially a chance for me

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to kind of start a second career. Like I told you before, I've
been in the software industry since aboutnineteen ninety four. Yeah, I taught
myself C plus plus a million yearsago and got started in the industry around
that time. And I love mywork, right, but it's also true

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that I'm getting kind of old forthis industry. And I also again really
liked making things and building things.I was always a tinker. I was
one of those nerdy kids when Iwas growing up, and I started to
be really inspired by people in theindustry who had come up in the same
way. There's a guy named BillGeisley. He has a company called Guisly

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Automatics. He got his first contractwith the US Army when they were at
a shooting competition and someone he showedsome guy, an Army soldier, the
trigger he was using. He's like, yeah, I made this trigger.
Next thing, you know, theguy introduced him to his commanding officer and
he's got a contract with the ArmySharp Shooting Team. Anyway, long story
short. In April of twenty twentytwo, I was raided by a joint

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NYPD SWAT and ATF Task Force,and you know, they ransacked my house,
took my weapons, took a lotof my tools, and took me
off to Rikers Island, where Ispent a week. My bail was set
at two hundred thousand dollars, andluckily my ex wife found me a really

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good lawyer, Venue Varghese of Vargheseand Associates. And when he came to
visit me at Rikers, he said, yeah, I really I really like
this case. You know, let'slet's let's fight this thing. And he
and I both saw it as acivil rights issue. So that's where we
are now. We're fighting the case. We filed a motion to dismiss the

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case on Bruin grounds because I don'tdismiss any of the facts. These were
my weapons. I built them,I bought the tools. I bought the
weapons. I bought the gunpowder,I bought the I bought the brass,
I brought the projectiles, I boughtthe primers. These were that's my equipment,

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right. But what I am contendingis that if the Bruin has made
very clear that the right to keepin bear arms means what it says,
and So my contention is that youcan't possibly say that I'm a felon when
one, I haven't posed any threatto public order and I'm quietly at home

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minding my business and manufacturing weapons thatthe Constitution, the law of the land
says I have a right to have. So that's it. So what was
what was the charge? What wasthe charge that they were that they're bringing
you up on felony weapons possession.There are probably others in the document,

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but that's the main thing, felonyweapons and of course multiple counts because again
I made eight rifles and a handfulof pistols, So they're saying that it
was illegal to have those guns inyour possession, even though you were the
one that made them. Yes,sir, that's exactly what they're saying.
And there's also some interesting things bakedinto the law. For example, if

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you have an operable weapon, Ihad a few rounds, I should I
should back up and say that atthe time I was rated, I was
also a member in good standing ofthe West Side Rifle and Pistol Range in
Manhattan, so obviously I cleared theirbackground check, that's the first thing.
And I was also taken a courseonline called Rocket FFL because I thought,

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listen, eventually, if I,if I eventually want to do this thing
for a profession, I have tobecome a Federal Firearms licensee. So I
signed up for this course where Ilearned about the different kinds of FFL licenses.
I learned about sots, learned aboutall these things because I was I
had all these dreams of like goingto some place, you know, with

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a lot of woods and open buyingsome land in New Hampshire, whatever,
setting up a gun lab, settingup a gun range, and really at
bringing my software expertise kind of inmelding that with my interest in weapons,
because there's all these cool things youcan do in terms of well, I
wonder who's making automatic brass inspection equipmentso that older guys who do handloads can

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inspect their brass even if their eyesaren't that good. I was, I
was. I was drawing up plansin my design notebook for for dry fire
training systems that included kind of softwareand hardware and metrics and data and things
like that, because again, that'sthat's my house, that's where I come
from. But yeah, that's it. I wasn't I wasn't talking about weapons

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online. I wasn't sharing pictures online, and I wasn't kind of I wasn't
manifesting any kind of crazy energy onlineeither. And of course the State of
New York knows this because they seizedmy phone, they kept it, They
cloned my phone, so they knowmy call history. They seized two of
my computers, including my daily driver. They subpoened my email records. Gmail

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told me about that after the factthat they had actually gone through me,
so they know that I'm actually whatI say I am. You know,
I'm like a middle aged IT nerdwho got fascinated by firearms, right,
right, So, as you havemajor case made that defense, has there

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been any response from them to youryour defense? What do they have to
say about you know, what you'reallegend, which is essentially that your constitutional
rights are being violated? Well,so far, you know, we haven't
gotten into the the the All theback and forth has been administrative back and

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forth between like my legal team,the DA and the court. Right so
you know, there has been notrial yetting and this this this kicked off
in April of twenty twenty two,and so far it's just been one court
appearance after another, and a lotof procedural hurdles. We The first thing
is that my legal team filed afreedom of information request with the NYPD for

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their permitting data, because of coursethere is a pattern, there's a long
standing pattern of not only corruption butkind of outright you could say, malfeasance
on the part of the permitting divisionin terms of these how can you say
arbitrary rules in terms of who's allowedto get a permit right And remember,

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and of course my issue wasn't permittingbecause I wasn't carrying weapons in the street.
They were all in my house.But my legal team wanted to show
how deeply flawed the permitting process inNew York City was, so we filed
freedom information request. The NYPD slowwalked that data for a few months.
When we finally got the data,I wrote the software to kind of to

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kind of analyze that data so myteam, my legal team could get the
analytics from it and write that upas part of the UH as part of
our case. But the most they'vehad to say is, uh, we
have an offer for you. Theymade an offer of a plea deal of
eight years instead of eighteen and ofcourse that turned them down. But so

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that that's that's mostly what they've hadto say from then until now, right,
right, I mean, that's that'skind of audacious there. It is
them to be in the space thatthey're in and then say, oh,
well, we'll just offer you eightyears. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,

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that's right. Yeah. And Ithink and I started to cush you
off. I think I think oneof the it seems to me that one
of the issues here is that,look, New York State has gotten away
with violating the Second Amendment for decades. Now. I mean, I think
the Sullivan Act, which was NewYork's I believe it was New York's first
gun control law, was signed innineteen eleven, if I'm not mistaken.

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And so the people, I getit that many of the people in the
system, many and many of thepeople in kind of municipal governance have been
kind of in this comfortable ideological pocketfor a long time. Okay, But
the fact is that we've had aruling from the highest court in the land.

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We've had a ruling that says thehighest law in the land says what
it says, right, and NewYork. The response from New York state
has to has been to pretend thateither they can't read the law or they
don't care about the law. AndI think that they might be thinking,

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the state might be thinking that,you know, by throwing this large number
of years at me, that Ijust buckle and say, okay, I'll
take the and be like kind ofgrateful to take the plea deal. But
the fact is I have not doneanything wrong. And look, I don't
want to go to prison, Ireally don't. But if they if they

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want to go through with this,then my objective is to make sure that
everyone everyone is paying attention to whatthey're doing, because I think that that
for a very long time, thesekind of liberal, progressive kind of political
centers have gotten a lot of havehave made a lot of electoral noise and

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a lot of political noise about howthere's all these murderous white supremacists waiting around
the corner to lynch us and onlythey can protect us, and thus and
so and what have you. Andit's like, okay, well you if
you all really believe that, thenwhy are you defying the highest court in

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the land in order to disarm people? And if you really cared about wealth,
you'fredicated about the welfare of black folksin New York City, for example,
Right then, why are you trivializingcrime and yet criminalizing something that is
a right guaranteed under the constitution.Everyone who lives in New York knows that

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they've been playing catch and release withactual violent felons for years. Everyone knows
that there's cats running around getting intofistfights with cops, chasing people down the
street with weapons, outright attacking people, and walking out of the precinct the
same day. And now these thesame people who say that they care about

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black folks welfare, and they saythey care about systemic racism. The irony,
of course, is that you know, gun control is like almost the
prototypical form of systemic racism. Arethe same people who care about all this
right want to look at me,want to take a law abiding citizen,
and they want to do me foreighteen years. I'm like, okay,

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well, if you're gonna do it, I can't stop you, but I'm
going to embarrass you. So that'sthe mission. Who's the DA that you're
dealing with? The DA Let's seethe Brooklyn DA is. I think his
name is Gonzales. Yeah, Ithink I think it's a Brooklyn Days Gonzales,

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if I'm not mistaken, the Brooklyn, the Brooklyn DA. Yes,
because I'm I live in Brooklyn.And of course the Attorney General of New
York State is I believe Letitia James. Right. Irony on top of irony.
Yeah, let's take a look hereand see who the who the district's
attorney is. Yes, just tobe clear, Eric Gonzalez is just in

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case anybody wants to know, andhe will be up for re election in
twenty five, twenty forty five.Are you serious? Twenty that would be
it? Oh my god, likeif New York is living like that?
Oh my god. No, I'lltell you right. So, yeah,

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So his name is er Gonzalez,he's a Democrat, and he'll be up
for reelection in twenty twenty five,so just for people know. All right,
man, So what do you think? I mean? You know what
the out which you want the outcometo be. Is there something that you
and your lawyers are prepared to takeall the way to the Supreme Court if

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necessary? Oh? Absolutely absolutely.We've already talked about that. You know
the main issue is that I wouldif possible, of course. I mean,
let me back up a second.We don't have very much confidence that
we will prevail on the constitutional meritsat the at this local level. Right,

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It's just the again, the theideological pocket that these people are in
is too deep, right, andit's and we've seen that it's been like
that in other states around the countrythat have traditionally had these draconian anti Second
Amendment laws, and they do everythingin their power to refrain from obeying the

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law of the land. And Ithink New York State is no exception.
So we uh from the very beginning, we understood that we would have to
fight this thing up through the systemand possibly go all the way to the
Supreme Court. We also have nodoubt that we we can win, that
we will win on the merits atthat level, because it's again, the

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law could not be clearer, right, The Bruin ruling was very tightly written.
It could not be clearer. Andyou know, one might argue,
I mean, here, you know, I'm not a lawyer, so take
it with the greenest salt. Onemight argue that the public has a compelling
interest in keeping a firearm out ofthe hands of say a violent felon.

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Again, that is a that isa debatable matter. For example, if
someone has already paid their debt tosociety, Okay, but you could you
could argue that that's arguable. Idon't believe it is arguable that the state
has an interest in locking up alaw abiding citizen simply for quietly exercising his
Second Amendment rights at home and mininghis business. I just I can't see

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it. And again, you know, some of the things I'm saying,
you can't necessarily make these arguments incourt. But the argument of you know,
how come, for example, thetwo people who threw a lip Molotov
cocktail into a parked police unit.I believe this was the summer of twenty
twenty got one year a piece.You know what I'm saying. We can

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name any number of cases, right, I mean, people who New Yorkers
know about this stuff, right,So so yeah, we're prepared to take
it all the way to the SupremeCourt if necessary. And in the meantime,
it would be nice, uh,it would be it would be a
very good thing to get bail onappeals so that I don't have to kind

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of languish in prison while the caseis being fought up through uh up through
the appeals system. But of courseI don't have very much control over that.
So of course the best outcome wouldbe for the State of New York
to drop these charges and give memy equipment back right right Talking with carbon

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Mike Robin, I know you hada good question. It was a really
good one. Go ahead, ifI can get my mic to unmute,
go there you go. So youknow this is I'm gonna try to ask
this in the best way possible.Well, like what as far as like

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in the courts and the justice system, what like what about like a deal
that you know, would they bewilling have you have your attorney thought like
maybe to bring that up, likeabout a deal to work with the government
to be a professional in that area, you know, like a win win
because in my personal opinion, likewhy we why put such talent to waste?

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You know what I mean. It'svery funny that you say that because
one of the things in my designnotebook was a a theoretical framework for weapons
tuning called CEF cyclic energy flow,and the idea behind that is that a
semi automatic rifle is essentially a circuit, but it's a mass flow circuit,

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and so you can apply a handfulof the theory is that you can apply
a handful of electrical engineering principles tothis mass flow circuit and do some mass
and given given some initial values likeyour projectile weight and your powder charge and
what have you, you can beginto uh uh roughly figure out what masses

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and weights and spring tensions you need, what kind of parts you need right
to give you a weapon that willroughly be tuned. Because auto some automatic
weapons have to be tuned. There'sa lot going on, and there's like
a bolt that goes back and there'sa spring that you know, pushes it
back in position, doesn't so,and so one of the things I was

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thinking was that, you know,when I when I figured out how to
get a piece of land and buildmy lab, it's like that people like,
for example, state police departments wouldbe some of my first clients.
So it's funny you say that.Yeah, And plus, of course,
I love I love explaining stuff,I love teaching stuff. I love talking
about these concepts, and and Ithink, yeah, there there are a

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few things in my design note bookthat I think law enforcement departments would find
useful just as a technical matter.We haven't talked about that, and I
don't think that's I mean that,you know, that would be. That
would be up to my lawyer whathe thinks is the right way to approach
it in terms of talking to thesepeople. But I'm pretty sure you don't

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go from we're gonna lock you upto fifteen for eighteen years to hey,
come and work with us, youknow, that would be, that would
be nice, But I don't think. I don't think it's going to happen.
Yeah, And it's the same too, because I think you're right.
I think I think, I mean, look, I think this whole,

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this whole unconstitutional, this whole unlawfulregime is, among other things, a
waste of talent, not just mytalent, but American talent in general.
You know, one thing that struckme when I started looking at this stuff
and researching it and looking at YouTubeand you know, all all the gun
tubers there who are doing kind ofparts reviews and performance testing what have you,

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is that this is one of thefew remaining kind of American cottage industries
left. You know, like,uh, it was really cool to get
into this thing and start buying partsand start talking to people, some of
whom actually made the parts I wastrying to use. Do you know what
I'm saying? You know, Iactually got on a phone call with the

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with the head guy down to cryhave a tactical when I was building Mars,
which was my which was my mytakedown hunting rifle. That is,
when I say takedown, it's ahunting rifle that you can partly disassemble so
it will fit in the backpack.You know. I was talking with this
guy about his history as as asatellite tech and and and all the cool

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stuff he used to do. Talkingto this guy who out in I think
it's Tennessee who worked for this whohad this company. You found the company
called Rifle Speed and it was makingthese things called adjustable gas blocks. And
then I told them I was anamateur radio operator. Was like, hey,
I'm trying to get into hand radio. What do you suggest about this?
And you know, like this,this this pursuit, this craft is

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really cool. But it's also reallyone of again, one of the few
homegrown industries we have left. AndI think there's a lot of there's a
lot of room for young people whoknow how to kind of keep their nose
clean and what have you to getinto this and and and to get into

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machining and to get into making partsand to you know, this is there's
so much potential energy here. Yeah, And as usual, we have liberal
and progressive governments that that would thatprefer absolute control and prefer lawlessness right too,

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to the spirit of this republic.That's you know, it's a shame,
but it's how it is. Allright. So, as of right
now, when are you supposed togo to trial? Uh? A date?
I don't believe a date has beenset yet. My next appearance.
We're waiting for waiting for now isa ruling on our motion, right because

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again we file the emotion to dismisson brewing grounds, and so we're waiting
to for ruling on that motion.Of course, if if the ruling goes
our way, then there is notrial. But then if it doesn't,
we'll we'll we'll know more about whatthe scheduling is, right, all right,
man, Let everybody know if theywant to keep in contact with you,

(33:46):
you know, your social media handlesall that good stuff. Yes,
sir, my Twitter handle is futureRadio Cast Again. I'm carbon Mic on
Twitter. Uh my my gifts andgo for my legal defense fund is in
my Twitter profile. And I havean Instagram account. I don't maintain it

(34:07):
as much as I should, butmy Instagram account is foundation Tech and yeah,
oh well, my my GitHub accountis called binary Machines. So for
example, the software the software Iused to analyze the data that we got

(34:28):
from the NYPD, that's open source, using a bunch of open source tools
I developed to do u data handlingand data engineering. And again that that's
in the Binary Machines account on GitHub. The tools repot is called Mercury,
and that specific repository with the withthe code we use to analyze permitting data

(34:51):
that's called that's called lex. AndI have some stuff on YouTube as well,
some Foundationist media. If you wantto know more about the Foundationist Society,
which is you know, our organizationand our brand of conservatism, the
best place to go is to YouTubeand look up the Infinite Jigsaw podcast.

(35:12):
Danny Duran over in the UK dida ten part series with me about the
Foundationist Manifesto, and I think it'ssomething that a lot of conservatives and liberals,
by the way, can can geton board with and that's it all
right, man, thanks so muchfor joining us on the show. Man,
appreciate it. And that's the luckto you, brother, Hey,
thank you, brother, thank youboth. Appreciate it. All right,
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It's tea time with Row on theOutlaws Radio Show. All right, you

(36:44):
guys. So we are going tostart off with a little bit of tea.
We got some hot tea and thisone. I feel like when they
say you put your foot in yourmouth, that's where that's what this story
is very much giving. Like andwhen they say mind your business or curiosity

(37:05):
kills the cat, things of thatsort. You know, things tend to
backfire, you know. So MeekMel decided he was gonna go ahead and
speak upon something that's going on inthe courts with Young Thug and Lucci.
So he said, it should beimpossible to charge Thug and Lucci for lyrics

(37:29):
because in the studio we all giveeach other lines and don't remember who said
what after a high night in thestudio. I have done it with both
of them. They both gave melyrics before we all do this. In
my personal opinion, like I said, I feel like he just put his
foot in his mouth, Like whywould you say that? Like and like

(37:51):
on Beyonce's Internet, I mean,I'm just I'm just trying to figure it
out. Like you know what,No, you go first, because I'm
gathering myself. You go first,I thought with Beyonce. Yeah, you

(38:15):
know how I feel about Beyonce.It is her Internet. Okay, So
so all right one more time,Like I'm so, I need you to
I need you to to to runthat back real quick. So there's there's

(38:37):
been you know, some things goingon. I think that I touched on
this story. It may have beenlast week I got. I'm getting that,
you know, middle mid age brainif you But so there's been you
know, things going on, youknow, and remember we were talking about

(38:58):
it DARVYO where I couldn't remember.I'm like, there were so many good
things that I wanted to say thatwas going on, and funny things and
about the lawyer, you know,like where he was like he had good
comebacks and like, man, thatman's really going to get hired on a
lot of jobs with a lot ofclients. You know, he's good.
But so there it's still going on, you know. And so now meet

(39:21):
Mail is kind of dipping his nosewhere it don't belong. I mean,
I guess if you can say thatbecause it's on the Internet. But he's
speaking on subjects, you know,he's speaking on the subject where it's not
really well what he said is notvery smart. So I'll repeat that.
So then you can run the quoteunquote, he said it should be impossible

(39:44):
to charge thug and LOOTI for lyricsbecause in the studio we all give each
other lines and we don't remember whosaid what after a high night in the
studio. I have done it withboth of them. They both gave me
lyrics before we all do this.Yeah, So all right, first of

(40:06):
all, shout out to migmeo Iuh he uh was uh with the politicians
of Pennsylvania today. He got somesome reform laws, helped get some reform
laws passed. So much respect forthat, however, And I agree that

(40:28):
I'm not we talked about this before. I'm not a particular fan of people
using people's rap lyrics uh to punishin the court. But why the hell
would he say that? Though?Like, why would you Why you ain't
supposed to tell nobody, right,because they're gonna be like, oh,

(40:52):
okay, so it's not his lyrics, So please do tell where did they
come from? God? Go ahead, keep your keep certain things. You
just got to keep to yourself,right. And this is the thing that
we talk about all the time withyou know, you know people under thirty

(41:14):
five where it's just like you don'thave to share everything. You just don't
every some things you can just keepto yourself. You could have just you
know, I don't know the tenorof the conversation or what he was asked
initially, but it's like, youknow, you don't have to tell everybody
everything, right, you don't haveto give everybody a behind the scenes look.
Just don't, especially because this prosecutoris trying to use lyrics to charge

(41:40):
young stub with certain crime that they'reusing that as it seems like a good
portion of the evidence. Just justjust lay low, man, Just you
don't have to talk about this situation. Don't, especially because you could end
up there to like you just don'tknow, man, and you've had enough
Meek has had enough legal situations inhere is life to know, Like,

(42:00):
hey, this thing is you know, this thing can turn at the drop
of a hat. Like you gottabe really really careful with this. Just
be quiet, Like I could justtake Dario if you or Robin, if
one of y'all is in you know, catch case for anything right round.
I'm not comment publicly on it all. I'm saying I got they got my

(42:20):
support. I'm supporting them. That'smy friend's family. I'm praying for them,
right, I'm collect cause though Idon't take that cause we're gonna have
to work on getting you a prepaidcard because collect calls are expensive. Uh,
here's something that we can share.Dante is cheap, so we're not

(42:45):
crazy. Story here, keep yourmouth closed. And if you don't keep
your mouth closed and you do endup in prison, called DARVYO first,
I probably will because you clearly don'tanswer your phone. All. Yeah,

(43:06):
yeah, we collect call from click. I'm so glad I just learned this
lesson when I actually did not actuallyneed you. No, well, you've
always known I'm not answering no collectcall. Valuable life lesson? You have
a collect call from? Oh?No, oh, absolutely not. They

(43:27):
got the wrong number. Do youknow what, darv Oh, here's the
thing he wouldn't have done very wellgrowing up in the time that we grew
up. You know, when youhad to dial off those payphones. Yeah,
and if you ain't have no coins, they had to Yeah, he
was charging it to the people whoyou were calling. You think I'm answering

(43:50):
that You honestly think that I'm answeringa call where you're gonna charge me over
two dollars a minute. Do youreally think I will answer that? Rob?
You know me for like five yearsnow, you know there's no all
right, next, so the nextone is, so there is Actually I

(44:15):
don't know if everybody knows, butI'll just say it just in case if
everybody is not hip. So therewas already like a rivalry going between Cardi
B and Nicki Minaj for quite someyears. I'm going to say about a
decade, if not longer. Ifthat seems that sounds about right. Has
Cardi even been around at all?Probably hardy, Damn, it's close to

(44:36):
No, it's close. It ain'tbeen no decade, but it's close to
it. Close when I think liketwenty sixteen or twenty fifteen something like that.
So yeah, it's close to it. Yeah, it's been a minute.
So, you know, cause Nikkiwas all Nicki's was the it girl,
you know what I mean, andthen Carti we kind of came out,
came out right, and then ofcourse they had some issues with a

(44:59):
song at one point and like itkind of went left. So now Cardi
B is recently So I don't reallyknow how to lead with this because it's
if this tea is a little hot, sizzling, you know. So Cardi

(45:20):
B An Offset have been separated forquite some time and nobody knew, you
know, they didn't put it outthere. Nobody knew that they've been separated,
not living in the same household fora couple of months now. And
so the reason that that came outis because Cardi B came out on Live
saying that because blue Face got sawty. I told you it's gonna go a

(45:43):
different way. Blue Face got sautybecause Chris Shawn decided to get his face
covered up on the front of herneck and she's dating somebody else and ended
up getting dudes name put on herrest book. But anyway, so he
ended up getting sawty. So Idon't know if y'all remember the story where

(46:07):
Blue Face popped up at Krishan's houseor popped up on Chris Shan at four
in the morning to take the baby, uh because and he came out and
said, after she got her netcovered up, why don't you tell everybody
how you was sleeping, how youwas f and Cardi B's husband, that's
why I popped up on you atfour am? What was you doing at

(46:28):
four am Monday night, blah blahblah whatever, and so Carti came out
and she was like, listen,I don't care, and I don't want
to know. I don't care toknow. We've been separated for a while.
So she came out, and thenher and an offset was going on
social media like, you know,making the scene, just doing the absolute

(46:49):
most, and so Carti goes onLive and she's like, you won't listen
to me. So so this isthe it's it's messed up that I had
to go to the extremes to goto social media to make you hear me,
and she like you could hear hervoice cracking, where she sounded like
she was gonna start crying because she'sso angry. And then this is where
it goes a little more left.So this is where Nicki Minaj comes in.

(47:15):
So Nicki Minaj decided that she wasgonna like make a sub about Cardi
B's husband, and she posted apicture of Michael Jackson doing this weird,
cheesy smile hanging out of a window, out of a car window, and

(47:36):
that was a sub about Cardi B'shusband. So Cardi B was like,
not in the movie because she's alreadygoing through it, you know, And
she said, I'm really one hundred. Today is not the day take your
man to the park and leave methe f alone. Now, if you
know, if you know, youknow what that means. So now they're
coming at each other's husband, ateach other about each other's husband, like,

(48:00):
so it's like all over the place, and I really don't know,
like it's it's insane. But Imean, prayers to Cardi B first and
foremost on her mental health with whatshe's dealing with. But yeah, so
Nicki Minaj decided she wanted to bepetty. And the thing is also throw
this in there. On top ofall this. Recently Nicki Minaj dropped her

(48:22):
album and like just a few daysbefore that, so she's trying to get
clout and that's really where it's kindof all draws in a man, so
a lot. Yeah, that wasdefinitely a lot. First of all,
lead MJ out of it, MJ, MJ. Don't need to be catching

(48:45):
strays, first of all. Secondof all, that was extremely petty.
The whole thing was petty. Nowwhen she said for take your husband to
the park, that was foul.That was foul, and what she was
for people who don't know Nicki's husbandhas a history. I think it's probably

(49:15):
the best way to say it outto you know what I'm saying. I
don't want to alleged charges right rightthe history, but yeah, no,
this has been going on for along time, man, and it's it's
unfortunate. It almost kind of goesback to the last segment, well,

(49:36):
the last topic, when Dante wassaying, don't you say everything in public?
It's unfortunate man, when you like, because celebrities go through things like
everybody else, do you know,you deal with breakups and separations and all
of that. It's unfortunate that youhave to deal with that in public and
in front of everybody, and thenget into it with one of your rivals

(49:58):
who happens to be one of themost him as women on the planet as
well. On top of that,you know, it's just just a lot,
just a lot of extra extra unnecessarystress and pressure when you're already dealing
with with regular life stuff, youknow what I mean. So that's unfortunately
not to tell your thoughts, Uh, you don't have to worry about getting

(50:19):
to because Nicki's husband is a Levelthree sex offender, In fact, he
was actually sentenced to a year homeconfinement because he failed to register as a
sex offender from another case. Soyeah, that there's that. That is
a cold blooded line to say.Just take your cold blooded and I think

(50:45):
you know they've been beefing for awhile, so you know, we talked
about this when it comes to hiphop and stuff. Every for hip hop
beef, everything is on the table. I don't think there is a line
that you can cross. So Ithink that you know whatever is on the
table, especially when it seemed likethey've just been mortal enemies Cardier Nicki for

(51:06):
forever. Now everything is on thetable, right. And lastly, I
just think like it. I hateit. I hate it so much when
somebody tries to even if your rivals, I do think that there should be
some kind of combatant cold not sayingthat I can't go there, but to

(51:28):
me, it's never a good lookwhen ruth of engagement, when somebody is
going through something that you could alsopossibly be going through as well at some
point, because you are also amarried woman and your husband ain't the you
know, your husband ain't the mostclean person out there, right, So
I just think it would be likeus rooting for another podcast to fail,

(51:52):
Like even if we had beef withanother show, still wouldn't root for We
may get into it on social media, but I would not do a victory
lap if they got canceled or something, because it could happen to you.
I always say this when it comesto boxers, like y'all two could be
mortal enemies, but don't call thisperson a fraud. If they get knocked

(52:15):
out. You in the same lineof work. It could get knocked out.
You could get knocked out like that, you know, just if they
if they get knocked out and youhate that person, just be like,
yeah, that's why he didn't wantto fight me, because I would have
knocked him out. That's cool tome. But to be like, see
told y'all he was a fraud,No, because you could get knocked like

(52:36):
I mean, it could happen toanybody. So I just that always kind
of I just you know, Nikki, you a married woman too. She
going through something. I just think, you know, maybe you should let
off on her a little bit becauseit could be you. We don't know,
now, Okay, that's right,that's right, all right, Robin

(52:58):
close the zone out last yes,so the last one is also pretty messy.
I did not Unfortunately, I didnot get a chance to listen to
all of these videos. But Ican tell you Kanye West is making a
comeback in his own way. Everyfirst and foremost, everybody says, usually

(53:20):
when Kanye does this, that meansthere's an album coming. But so Kanye
West. Recently, he went ona rant about his life and in the
industry while speaking to a small crowdof people in Vegas. He name drops

(53:43):
major brands and celebrities in the rant. During the Vegas Show, quote unquote,
no one's with me because y'all notreally with me. It's just me
and God. He then said,quote unquote, and guess what, Trump,
We ain't giving you no support unlessyou get at Larry Out, unless
you get Jeff Out. Then said, quote unquote, y'all know who that

(54:05):
who y'all f and playing with thisis a vessel of God. He gonna
burn all your stuff down. Iswear he did not say stuff, but
we're gonna be clean your sugar honeyiced tea if you may so. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know,is he like h I don't know

(54:29):
if y'all really got the chance tohear these videos or to see this you
know anything about yeah, oh boy. You know the thing about Kanye Kanye
is I'll give you I use thisanalogy, not that you'll appreciate this analogy.

(54:50):
So there are a lot of ifyou're a sports fan, football fan,
there are a lot of headcases infoot and you know, the teams
basically say it's an unridden rule thatthey will put up with you as long
as your production outweighs your behavior.The moment that that formula isn't the same,

(55:20):
the moment that your conduct off thefield begins to affect your production on
the field, you have a problem. And I think with Kanye, Kanye
has always been crazy, but it'slike he's getting crazier as time goes on.

(55:40):
And it's unfortunate because he's at thepoint now this man is a musical
genius, and I mean on thelevel of a Prince, a Stevie Wonder,
Michael Jack, Like he's a genius, a musical genius on that level,

(56:04):
but he has so many issues thatcontinue to derail him that he is
at the point now where he isseriously jeopardizing his own legacy. He did
not look or sound same in thosevideos. The video I saw it sounded

(56:29):
like someone who needs serious help.And he was surrounded by people that for
the most part, were cheering himon. And the person who recorded that
lot, who was live streaming itand put it out there, that person
should never be around you. Again. This is part of the issue,

(56:53):
is he is surrounded by people whocare nothing about his best entry, and
they're allowing him to make a foolout of himself by continuing to say bigoted,
anti Semitic and just general crazy things. And he's he's furnishing his own

(57:20):
legacy. And that's unfortunate because thebody of work that Kanye has left already,
we can't afford to lose that inthe culture. He has a solid
body of work that has contributed quitequite and has been quite important, you

(57:46):
know what I mean to the culture, and he is damaging his own legacy
by this repeated insane behavior. God, yeah, I agree. Somebody I
was in the group chat and somebodysaid the story of you know, when

(58:09):
Kanye overdoses, that story is gonnabe crazy, And I was thinking to
myself about that today. I waslike, God, that's where we're at
with this. You know, lordof like the behavior is getting so crazy
to where like, yeah that thatstory, you feel like something like that
could come because there was there wasa lack of coherency. He was just

(58:36):
ranting about nonsense, right, Imean when you start talking about you know,
I'm the third one, you knowwhen it comes to Jesus Hitler and
me, is what are we talkingabout here? I watched all of it.
It's like ten minutes of it,and you hit the nail on the
head because the thing that really reallydisturbed me the most was the people in
the background talking about yeah talk yotalk. You gotta tell them Kanye and

(59:00):
we with you. It's like,really, because that's not in me.
I don't y'all know. I havelong been a Kanye defender, a Kanye
supporter, even through the madness.But it's certain things where you're not finna
move me. You say some dumbstuff, you praise Hitler, you put

(59:22):
yourself I mean that we're not.I don't care who you are. I'm
just I'm gonna go ahead and seemyself out because I'm not kissing butt for
no one. And if I actuallydo care about you, I can't be
a part of seeing you know,you gonna probably want to If this is
what you want to do, thenyou're gonna have to remove yourself from me,
because if I actually care about you, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you

(59:45):
like there's no way. I rememberthe one time with the Waynes on Oprah,
the Wayne's brothers on Oprah, andthey were making fun of the Jackson's
because they were like Michael Jackson showedup with a monkey, and Tito and
Randy and the rest of his brotherdidn't say anything. They just made it
seem like Norman. It was like, no, I love my brothers so
much that if one of them showup to an award ceremony with a monkey,

(01:00:07):
You're gonna have to explain something tome because it's not normal behavior.
What are you doing? And that'sthe same thing. If I care,
you know, if I care aboutRobin I do, or you DARVYO and
y'all just saying some wild stuff andy'all been doing it for years, you
probably gonna want to remove yourself fromme because I'm gonna constantly hit you up,

(01:00:29):
like, bro, what is goingon? You gotta talk to me,
You gotta let me like this iscrazy? You gotta stop this.
This is silly. This ain't thisain't like. I'm not about to sit
here and just let you say somebs over and over again and support that.
Like I may not bash you inpublic, but i'mould talk like,
what, bro, what is yousaying? You putting yourself in there with

(01:00:51):
Hitler? What do you walk?This is crazy? Stop it? You
know what I'm saying? Stop that. If you really care about somebody,
you can't just sit there and watchthemselves destruct. And he's married, right,
Kanye's married now, which you know, I don't know the dynamics of
that situation. I don't you know, we don't know that. But I'm

(01:01:13):
just thinking, like, man,if you know, I just I know
the women in my life, youknow, if the women in my life,
and prayerfully my wife will be likethis too. If I, you
know, get on the Instagram liveand they see me or they there and
I'm talking about something, it's meJesus and Hitler, you know, my
mama gonna go off. She's gonnabe what is what are you talking about?

(01:01:37):
And I hope that my wife wouldbe the type of go off too,
because that's that's that's insane. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's Unfortunately,
every time I see that, I'mjust like, there's nobody around him that
loves him. M That's how Ifeel like every time I see Kanye behave
like this, I feel like there'snobody around him that loves him, because

(01:01:59):
to see it was disgusting to seethose people cheering him all like that.
He the only time that they gettinginto it is because he wants them to
be quiet so he can keep going. Right, I'm gonna have to see
myself, like I'm gonna just I'mgonna catch you later, like I'm gonna
have to see myself because I'm notabout to sit here and watch you do
this and then they record you.So they come on, man, they

(01:02:22):
trying to get Cloud off of this. Yeah, they don't care about you,
man, They watching you self destructand they recording it. Right,
because nobody can watch that and thinkthat he's a that and think that he's
a healthy person, because he's not. That's not that's not some I mean
nothing, nor he that was notlucid. That was he looked like somebody

(01:02:44):
that was off his man. Becauseand you know, like we was joking
earlier, right, we we webe looking for reasons. Watch somebody crying
for help. Oh, this personis going on. This ain't like it.
I if one of my homies isbro, you need to explain something
to me. You must be goingthrough something, talk to me because this
ain't This ain't normal behavior. Thisisn't rational behavior. Right, help me

(01:03:08):
understand? Right? And there's nothing, there's nothing that you can watch that
rant and be like, well hehad a point when he's sitting. No,
no, no, that that's justthat was just the rantings of a
man who is in dire need ofhelp. Yep. And he's in dire

(01:03:29):
He's in dire need. I'll closeit with this. Kanye is in dire
need of someone who loves him,because if you love somebody, you love
them enough to not allow themselves toself destruct like that. He is destroying
his own legacy because of this insanebehavior, and he continues to do it.

(01:03:54):
He needs people in his inner circle, people that he trusts who actually
love him enough to say, Yo, you need to chill and you need
to get some help. All right, Stay tuned. We have Dante's hots
coming up next here on the albumFuck Chill, Sir, Welcome Back,

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(01:04:48):
It's Dante's Hot Takes on the outLawns radio show. Okay, So,
over the past a few days therehas been a DEI conversation as it pertains
to academia. Now, in mypersonal opinion, well let me start with

(01:05:10):
this. DEI stands for diversity,equity and inclusion. Now, uh,
the sort of crescendo moment in thisOklahoma Republican Governor Kevin Stitt has signed an
executive order that defunds diversity equity inclusiondiversity equity and inclusion offices and programs in

(01:05:33):
state agencies and including that includes publiccolleges. Right, this has been a
constant push that we've been that we'veseen from the right and I think it
sort of started back with the removalof the push in the courts with the

(01:05:56):
Supreme Court to remove the word I'mlooking for affirmative action. Yes, that
that that's really where it started.And I think that we're seeing a big
push on the right to get ridof diversity, equity, inclusion. And

(01:06:16):
now here we are with with Republicanwith the Republican governor in Oklahoma, we
had we've had tweets from Elon Musktalking about de e I must end because
we did not want to start.We wanted to the goal should be to
get rid of racism and not toreverse it and things like that. Essentially,

(01:06:40):
the outcry from the right is,well, these DEI programs in fact
discriminate against white people. Right,we've heard claims that white people have been
cast aside and aren't given as manyopportunities. Uh, so that you know,
minorities and other other groups can havecertain access to things whether they're qualified

(01:07:06):
or not. Well, the pushback, obviously is you've gone too far.
You have completely gone too far.Uh. There have been tweets by somebody
who we love to hate on thisshow, Charlie Kirk, who has questioned

(01:07:28):
whether black professionals in the medical fieldare DEI candidates And why should we trust
black doctors because many of them couldbe DEI What do you call DEI doctors
or something like that, so thatthey've gone way too far. And I've
sat back and and sort of heldmy peace on this until today because Friend

(01:07:55):
of Show and I'm trying to findI want to find this tweet because Darvo
you we we both had something tosay about it. Because you can talk
about DEEI, you can talk aboutaffirmative action, but you never seem to

(01:08:15):
want to talk about legacy admissions.You never want to talk about nepotism and
things of that nature when that hasbeen you mean like you mean like Mick
Romney. Wait wait wait wait waitwait wait wait, I'm getting there.
I'm getting there. I want toI want to credit uh friend of show
and somebody who we see often,Miss Pinky Iconic marriage coach uh, miss

(01:08:43):
Miss Pinkston eighty five on Twitter forthis tweet. She said, you guys
vote in a party that is runby Mitt Romney's niece and pretend that on
this app you are pro meritocracy.Is Goop chairwoman a DEI higher? How
do you know if she isn't theirony. That is when I had to

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be vocal about this, because she'sright. You can sit up here and
talk about meritocracy and talk about Americashould be about opportunity in a merit based
society and everything should be based onmerit. So get rid of DEI and
get rid of affirmative action. Butin reality, you don't have anything to
say about nepotism, and you don'thave anything to say about legacy admissions.

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And here's the funny thing about MittRomney and his niece. She's not even
good. She's incompetent. How dowe know because Republicans continue to lose elections.
That's how I know it's a nepotismsituation. That's how we know.

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Because she's not even good. Ican understand. I can understand because y'all
know I'm about the work. Soif you put somebody in place that is
you know, that's my son.I put him in place. Was he
the most qualified? No, Buthe's damn good. I can under I
can't even hate on that. Ican't even hate on that. Uh.

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If he sucks, if he's notgood, I will have something to say
about it, and for some reasonyou got Republicans out in mass talking about
DEI and you know, discrediting theaccomplishments of black people when you won't even
look at your own party and say, hey, why are we losing elections?

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Oh maybe it's maybe it's because ofthis is our is our big is
a bigger problem. So once again, I think we just know how to
passed it. See you, Darva. But I think we see politicians and
social commentary focusing on the wrong thing. And also some of the rhetoric that
has come out about this is onceagain going to turn off black people who

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you say you want to support you. So I saw a very good tweet
from a friend of the show,doctor Nikki Johnson. Yes, and it
was a very good point. AndI emphasized that doctor because y'all gonna put

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some respect on her name. Youunderstand in this tweet. I'm looking for
it right now. I know she'slistening to the show. Damn girl,
you tweet a lot. Here itis, And I think this is very
important. At least the final singlequestion exposed blatant anti semitism in the Ivy

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leagues. Republicans had them against theropes but got distracted into attacking the one
black woman on the panel. Nowyou're in the corner wondering why you keep
losing. You are your own worstenemy. That is facts, that is

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absolute facts. They had an opportunityto talk about these issues in a way
that made sense, but of coursethey want to play whack them old with
the darky and instead of focusing onall three, now we're having a conversation

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about the Now we're having a conversationabout whether black people are competent, whether
all black people are affirmative action hires. Now, let me ask this question
because I've seen people say this multipletimes on social media. They say,
well, this is the problem withDEI is because it creates a suspicion.

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You know that's natural. Okay,Well, and then people will use the
example, Well, look at JoeBiden. Joe Biden said he was picking
a black woman to be his vicepresident and he picked Kamala doesn't that look
Doesn't that look wrong to you?My question is, did anybody say anything
when when Trump told all of y'allthat he was picking a woman for the

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ruthe Bader Ginsburg seat was turned outto be Amy Cony Barrett or is it
different because you like her? Youknow what I'm saying, I just want
to know what the rules are becauseI because and just in a side you
know, we talked about certain thingswith Justice Brown. I'm sorry, Justice

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can Tiji Jack. We talked aboutcertain things with her, and you know
on the show, especially like fromher confirmation hearing. But you don't really
I mean, you don't really wantto compare their resumes. One is substantially
heftier than the others. She ismuch more qualified, I think than and
that was another example that they used. And he was putting a black woman

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on the court. Okay, Sodo I like how Joe Bidy handled those
things? No, because I thinkhe did open the door for those for
them to be unfairly scrutinized. However, y'all didn't keep that same energy with
Amy Coney Barrett. And I ain'tgot nothing against Amy Coney Barrett. I'm
just saying, I want to knowwhat the rules are. The rules can't
change based on who you like anddon't like. What are the rules here?

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If it's about a pure meritocracy.If it's about a pure meritocracy,
then y'all can't keep telling me thatit's only black people and Hispanics and women
that are getting jobs that they don'tdeserve, because guess what, I'm just
pointing this out. I ain't gotno problem with this guy. I don't

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know this guy. He may doa great job, but I just want
to point this out. From thedaily tarhel that says breaking news. Lee
Roberts will be UNC's interim chancellor beginningJanuary twelfth. Roberts is on the UNC
Board of Governors and worked as statebudget director under Republican Governor Pat Lacroy.
He has no professional administrative experience inhigher education, and he's about to run

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the University of North Carolina. SoI just want to know what are the
rules? What are the rules?It can't be don't tell me that we
live in a maritime cray. Youknow that's not true. You can't sit
up here and in one breath saythat the elites control everything. We got
to drain the swamp. You can'ttell me that on one end and on

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the other end say that we livein a meritocracy. Those two things are
incompatible with each other. So Ijust want to know what the rules are.
Choose the rules and set the rules, and that's what the rules.
You can't say that it's a meritocracyfor me and then turn your turn your

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back and act like you don't seethe good old boy network over there.
You can't do that. It gottabe one of the other players. It
gotta be one of the other andholding us up to a standard that you
don't even hold yourself to. Igot a problem with that last thing.
On this I saw someone that said, no black person can compete with any

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white person. They all have toget some sort of assistance. That's the
only way that they can compete.And I made this point. I made
this play on social media, andI want to say it here on this
show. My degree is from apredominantly white conservative university. I was an

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honor student. So how are yougonna tell me? But it's amazing for
white conservatives and not all, butsome white cannservatives to insult my intelligence when
your kids couldn't compete with me intheir own school. What is we talking

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about here? I went to yourschool and was an honor student. I
saw people arguing with doctor Nikki Johnson, you not on her level playing.
Not only are you not on herlevel, you ain't on the level below
her. And the thing that peopleneed to understand is it all goes back

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to that Lyndon Johnson quote. Y'allwant to make it about black black black
black black. Y'all worried about us, like we your problem. We are
not your problem. Lyndon Johnson said, if you can convince the lowest white
man that he's better than any coloredman, he won't notice that you're picking
his pocket. If you give himsomeone to look down on, hell,

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he'll empty his pockets for you.What you don't realize is why you're so
busy hating us. You getting robbed, getting played, And that's what is
designed to deal. Let them knowhow to follow you, sir, and
just really quickly, it goes evenfurther, it goes even further back than

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that. I mean, I mean, we can look at Bacon's rebellion and
understand and understand through the history ofthis country that you know, that's what
this was, just like, okay, even we got to make sure that
poor whites never aligned with with blackpeople again, right, That's really where
this goes back to. And that'syou know, Lennon got some great quotes,
but that's one of the best onesman, because we see it all

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the time where and we see ita lot from these talking heads where it's
like why are they if you everwonder why certain who are they talking to
when they when they spout this kindof this kind of rhetoric towards black people,
when you know it's it's not rootedin any sort of fact at all.
You got to understand who they're talkingto and who their core audience is
and basically who pays their bills,right, because a lot of these people

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are funded, are propped up byfunds from you know, middle class to
poor white people who feel a certainway, and so it's easy to take
advantage of them. And you know, we lasting we see this a lot
when it comes to to somebody likelet's let's say Obama, President Obama.

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Right, you can disagree with himin terms of his policy and things like
that, right, same thing withuh with Justice Kintaji. Right, you
can disagree, you know, withthings they may say, but but you
can't really question intellect and you can'treally question credentials. I mean, President
Obama is one of the most educatedmen in the world. Like you can't

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call that god dumb and I know, I know, you may disagree with
him, police, but you sittingon your farm in Iowa. No disrespect
to Iowa, but you sitting onyour farm in Iowa. You're not smarter
than him. Man, You're notmore accomplished than him. Same thing with
Justin Jasie. She got a reallyimpressive resume. Just you may not agree

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with her political stances, but she'san impressive woman. And that's the thing
again. But if I can make, you know, if I can make
a poor white guy feel like he'sbetter than I can rob him, and
that's really you know, that's reallywhat I think we're seeing with a lot
of these people. And like you, you know, we talked about this
before Darvey, y'all goes back tothat backing rebellion thing. So follow me

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