Ep. 389 - Best of 2023. With Carol Roth, Kate Flannery, Donovan Mitchell, Krayzie Bone, Frank LaRose, Shay Hawkins and Sonnie Johnson

On this special Christmas and New Year's episode ot The Outlaws, the crew picks their favorite guests from 2023. We revisit our interviews with New York Times bestselling author Carol Roth, Kate Flannery from the hit show "The Office", NBA All Star and Cleveland Cavalier Donovan Mitchell, legend and Grammy Award winner Krayzie Bone, Ohio Secretary of State (and US Senate candidate) Frank LaRose, Shay Hawkins (author of the "Opportunity Zones" legislation) and Sonnie Johnson, host of "Sonnie's Corner" on SiriusXM Patriot.

Episode Transcript

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everybody, miss o' mallie. Christmasis only in a couple of days.
What y'all gonna be doing for theholiday? You know what? I'm
I'm so excited and ready to seethe kids open up the truly this year,
you know, I mean, it'severy year is supposed to be all
about family, but this year forme, it's it's a little deeper.

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So it's definitely, you know,all about family time this year for us.
So yeah, that's the main focus. That's what's up. That's what's
up. What's your plans? Brother? Uh, long weekend from obviously from
work and just taking it easy.Man. I I enjoy these holidays man,

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because you know, while I don'thave children, I can just you
know what I'm saying. I canjust take it easy, man. I
can spend time with you know,with my family and you're just relaxing,
and I can spend time with youknow, my NBA family on Christmas because
you know, the NBA started.The official start of the NBA is Christmas.
What's happened up until now is justpreseason and uh we we locking arms

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in prayer that the cast can gethealthy. And then yeah, man,
I just spent time with my sportsfamily and my real family on the holidays.
You can't beat it. I wasjust about to ask you, because
I knew you was gonna bring itup. I was just about to ask
you who was the Christmas Day game? Do you know? Let's uh,
it's in a couple of days.But I'm actually kind of excited because it

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was. I have actually been payingmore attention to the NBA because of that
n season tournament. But I'm actuallyyou know, like Celtics Lakers is on
Christmas. That should be a goodone. Mav Sons is Christmas Night.
That's at like ten thirty, butyou know I'll be up watching. That
should be a good one. BucksKnicks. I'm gonna just say this because

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I have a lot of family fromNew York and so I'm sorry if some
of you hear this and take thisthe wrong way, but I'm so sick
and tired of seeing the dog onNicks on Christmas every year. I don't
want to see them. I understand, like, yes, they were a
playoff team, the cas last nobodywants to watch them. You know,

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they're only there because they did exactlyNobody wants to watch them. Get them
off the screen, hopefully. Oh, Draymond suspended. I was gonna say,
hopefully he ain't punching nobody on Christmas, but they played. He's been
an indefinitely, I was. Iwas about to make that joke, but
I forgot he suspended. But yeah, oh well, well it'd be very

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interesting to make sure your family ain'tlistening to this on Christmas Day. Guess
what, I don't even care ifthey are, man, nobody want to
see that. And now I gotan extra reason to hate the Knicks because
they beat the cas last year ofthe Player. So I ain't nobody trying
to watch them on Christmas, rightright, So, as y'all knows,
we get to the holidays, ourtradition is to take a look back at

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some of our favorite interviews that we'vedone this year. We have had a
lot of really good interviews. Ithas been a great year for us on
that front, and I want tothank all of the guests that we've had
on this show this year. Youknow, we definitely appreciate our extended our,

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extended Outlaws family, everybody that sharedimportant moments with us here on this
show. So I'm gonna kick itoff with one of my favorites, and
it is from a person that Isay I'm a card carrying member of her
fan club, and that is CarolRoth. She is a brilliant, brilliant

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economist, and one of the thingsI like the most about her is that
she's able to take issues about theeconomy and break it down to the way
that the average person can understand.She's a Midwest girl as well, She's
from Chicago, so we have alot of that relatability as well, and

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so we're going to go to thatinterview right now. That part of the
conversation that I heard you have onGlenn's show really kind of crystallized why it's
it's important to have ownership of something. Yeah, and I think it's important
for us right up front to saywe're trying to own from an investing and

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asset standpoint, not a spending stuffstandpoint. So you know, you can
own, know, yeah, withsome cute jeans and some shoes and whatnot,
and that's not going to do alot for you for a day,
but not for a lifetime. Soyou know, as you know, Darvo,
I've been advocating for wealth creation opportunitiesfor people for more than a quarter

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of a century now, and sothere's one thing that I know as a
truth more than anything else, andthat is wealth comes from ownership, period
of story. You cannot gain wealthand legacy wealth that you can pass onto
your family if you do not ownassets. And that's assets that are going

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to retain their value and hopefully appreciateand value. That is the secret to
wealth creation. And so you know, as we started out here, the
people who use their income and eitherdo nothing with it they see that eaten
away by inflation, they use itfor spending and they just kind of burn
it, or they use it toinvest and hopefully have that retain or appreciate

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and value. And so that lastscenario, curtain number three is what we
want people to do if you wantto retain wealth. And you know,
it's funny as you hear these elitefolks associated with the WEF. You know,
the WEF is littered with business andpolitical elite predicting that you'll own nothing

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and you'll be happy by twenty twentythree. There are a few things that
stand out there right One is youwill own nothing. It's not will own
nothing. They still plan to ownthings. They're going to still be on
that path to wealth creation, sogood luck to the rest of you.
And then this whole concept that you'regoing to be happy. This SI up

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to get you to buy in thatif you give up your ownership and you
let somebody else take care of everything, that you're going to be such a
happy person. And you know,if you just go back through history,
you'll note that the people who didnot have ownership, they were unfree,
they were unhappy, and in manycases, you know, they starved and

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lost their lives. And I dothink in urban communities and other poor communities
across the country. You know,this is the defining factor. Is you
know, when you do have income, even if it's a lower amount of
income, are you taking any ofit and finding a way to have that
money work for you or is everythinggoing out the door? And that is

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a potential game changer for people's lives. Yet you have the people who should
be advocating for that doing the exactopposite. So it was very staggering to
hear that, so much so thatI had to check out. You know,
the first thing I did was checkit out to make sure it was
true, and of course it was. And it's easily sourced on the World

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Economic Forum's own Twitter or slash acts, I don't know what we're calling it
today, but their accounts, andso you can find this for yourself.
But you know, if you wantto be on that path to creating wealth
for yourself for your family that youcan pass on, it starts with that
ownership of assets mindset, and soyou know that on that note, you

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know, the whole idea of youwill own nothing. You know, first
of all, that is horrifying tome that there are people who are legitimately
pushing this. So in the mostgenerous way possible, what is their argument
for that? Because I'm sure thatthere are people who are listening to this

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show who aren't even aware, whohave never heard of this. They may
not even know where the WEF isright, So what is the most generous
way that we can read. Whatis the argument that they're making to the
people as to why this is agood thing to not own anything. Well,
that's the funny thing. In manycases, they don't make the argument.

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It's a prediction. They're predicting thatit's going to happen, and then
they're trying to get you to buyinto being happy. But of course this
is not the direct statement of you'llknow nothing, you'll be happy. Comes
from a number of other endeavors fromthe World Economic Forum that are similar.

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Can you rent everything that you needin your life? And so on and
so forth. So the underlying thesisis trying to get people to buy into
this care free lifestyle where you're takingcare of you know. It's very symbiotic
and similar to what the government triesto promise, Oh, don't worry about
things. We've got you and youdon't have to worry your silly little head

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about it. But it's the samething that these Wall Street companies that are
coming in and competing with families tobuy single family homes and they're buying them
up by the tens and tens ofthousands. It's the same things that you'll
see in their financial registration statements.You know, they're saying, oh,
you know, it's so great forthe middle class because you know, they

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don't have to worry about it,and they get all these amenities, and
they're trying to get people to youknow, trade off. You know that,
oh you have skin in the game, and yes you might have to
do something about that, but youget the word and instead get you to
buy into this you know, yolocare free lifestyle that transfers wealth from Main

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Street to Wall Street, from theaverage American to the wealthy and well connected.
And you know it's getting you tosay, oh, well, you
know, I don't need a car. It's so much easier to do X
y Z. Oh you know,I don't need to buy a home.
I'll let you know, Wall Streetown it and they can take care of
it and it'll just be so mucheasier. And you know, when you

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don't have that ownership, you giveup not only the wealth creation opportunity,
but you're giving up a lot ofyour agency and your sovereignty as well.
I mean, think about all ofthese insane things that are trying to be
rammed down our throats in terms ofsome of the climate activism things like you
can't have a gas stove and whatnot. How much easier is that to affect

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if you have a core landlord whocould just tell you sorry, that's you
know, in your lease you cannotdo that, Versus if you own your
own home, then it's like,okay, yeah, good luck, come
into my home and you can takemy stove from me. So it's a
it's a very different focus. Andif you think about that across all kinds
of things, from you know,owning firearms to protect yourself to you know,

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what it is that you can doand say, if you don't own
these assets, these things that youneed for your life, then you are
beholden to somebody else, And thatis not a good position to be in
if you can't avoid it, withouta doubt, without a doubt. I

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know, you know, I ownthis network, and there's a lot of
conversations we couldn't say. There's alot of things we couldn't say and do
if if I didn't own it.So that's one of the numerous reasons as
to why ownership is important. Youknow, it's interesting too because going back
and we're talking with Carol Roth,who's the author of the book You Will

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Own Nothing. You know, earlierin the conversation, you mentioned about how
it's important for people, even ifthey have, you know, low income,
to do something, to get somethingof value, some sort of asset,
to be able to own. Well, inflation reeks Havoc on that,
right, Yes, it's correct,does it's It almost seems like and I'm

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not getting conspiratorial here, but italmost the perfect storm, right, Like,
if you if your goal is tomake sure that people own nothing,
wouldn't it be in your interest tomake things very expensive for them to buy?
Yeah? I mean, and certainly, as we know, the inflation
that we're experiencing disproportionately affects people basedon your level of income. If you

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were poorer, middle class, it'sgoing to impact your life in a very
different way than you are. Thenif you're wealthy. And that's one of
the reasons why I have been oneof the most outspoken critics of the FED
and of their easy money policy overthe past close to a decade and a
half before they shifted it around,because what that was was a historic wealth

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transfer again from the poor and mainstreet America to Wall Street and the wealthy
and well connected. And it's funnybecause you know, I've been in financial
news a long time and you wouldhave these commentators and you have the FED
and whatnot and saying like, oh, you know, it's just it's incredible

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because you know, they're printing allthis money and we have cheap and available
debts and zero interest rate policy,and we're not seeing inflation. And it's
like, of course you're seeing inflation. You're seeing inflation and assets and that
benefits you, guys. So youlove that. We don't call that when
when we call that appreciation when ithappens to the asset side, because everybody

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hold of them appreciate the fact thatthat's going up in value, right,
they love that. That's adset appreciation, little play on words there. But
you know, on the other sideof it, you know, it wasn't
until we shifted the policy and putthe direct stimulus into individuals' hands first under
the Trump administration and then doubled downon by the Biden administration. That we

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saw that move from asset inflation toyou know, basic spending and cost of
living type of inflation in a verymeaningful way. And so these people who
are going, oh, well,you know what's amazing, this is the
only time we've seen it. It'slike, oh, it's not. You're
just part and parceling it in adifferent way. And so you've you've hit
on both sides. You've made thepeople who are wealthy even wealthier because you've

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made those assets increase in value.And if you've made it harder for somebody
who you know, may not haveas much money, or who may be
saving for retirement, who is retiredor is younger to participate in those assets
because we've inflated their values, youknow, through this policy. And then
at the same time, you know, on the other side of that,

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then you have inflation. So they'rehaving a hard time keeping up with cost
of living, let alone thinking aboutthese these kinds of assets. So really,
the middle class the poor have gottenthis coming and going, and it's
incredibly frustrating because you know, thethe people who are in quote unquote leadership

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positions will never call it out.The Federal Reserve itself, the governments,
you know, the bad actors youknow around them don't say, you know,
lord, you know we we causedthis, and we're so sorry,
and you were trying to, youknow, put out the fire that we
started, but instead they burnt yourhouse down. And now they show up

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with like a mere little water bottleand like, hey, let us help,
you know, try and put outthe fire for you, without acknowledging
that they were the arsonists. Soit's a very frustrating situation. And because
it is kind of opaque, peoplethey see the symptoms, but they don't
really know the ailment. And that'swhy I'm always very appreciative of these kinds

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of conversations, because the more peoplewho understand where this is truly coming from,
the more we can get people whoare pushing back. In fact,
RB you know, there was aprotest at the FED this week with climate
activists and there were two things thatcame out of that. One I was
like, it's you know, it'ssad that the only people protesting the FED
are climate activists, You're not averageAmericans. And then second there were a

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bunch of arrests, and I wasreally upset that they weren't arresting the central
bankers who have been scamming all ofus, and they were arresting the protesters.
So it was a it was adouble disappointment for me. Right right,
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done so, thank you, ohso very much. Miss O'Malley, you
up your favorite interview? Ooh,so I want to go with that would

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be episode three five. I haveto be specific because y'all need to go
back and listen to it. Itis with Leslie, David Baker, Kate
Flannery and Oscar Nunas when they weretalking about the show called The Office.
And so originally I did not getto I didn't I couldn't remember who what

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the show was, and of courseDarvio you reminded me. But I can
say my favorite person on there wasKate Flannery because I am into acting and
she was just so generous with herknowledge, you know, and just giving
me a lot of insight and hope, and it just my eyes lit up.

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So is that's my one of myfavorite ones? All right, we're
gonna go to that right now.All right, we have another guest with
us who was also part of thaticonic legendary show, The Office. Kate
Flannery, welcome. How are youdoing. I'm fantastic. How you doing.
What's up? I'm good, I'mgood. Talk about what it was

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like to be a part of theOffice, You know what. The Office
was the greatest show to work onfor a number of reasons, but one
thing. We got our own desk. We got our own seats, so
you had, like, you gotto sit if you wanted to. A
lot of actors don't get to sit. Just notice when you saw some of
those shows, like sometimes people don'tsit. We always got to sit,
which is super comfortable. I hadthe most comfortable wardrobe. My biggest feet

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on the show was to not laugh. Don't laugh because you're gonna ruin it
for somebody else. Don't ruin thetake. So that's a really good problem
to have. Absolutely, So withthat being said, obviously it must have
been a lot of fun being onthe set and shooting the show. Talk
a little bit about that. Wehad some of the greatest writers on earth

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on the Office, and I'm soproud of the show. I feel like
it still holds up and I thinkthere's so many kids that come upon it
and if they're really smart. Theyget it because it's also kind of like
being in school, and Michael Scott'skind of like your teacher, like the
bosses like the teacher, and youhave to sit next to somebody didn't pick,
you know, like your desk isnext to Dwight. You're like,
ugh, you know, I thinkthere's a lot to relate to. I

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really do, absolutely, Robert.Okay, So my question would be,
what is your favorite scene in thisshow that you have done so far?
Oh my gosh, so hard topick one, but one of my favorites
was when Michael Scott drags Meredith ina rehab and we had to improvise this.
It was a few times I gotto improvise on the show. And
we had this whole chase scene inthe parking life. It was nuts,

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and we had two people dressed uplike us that were stunt doubles. But
we were like, we'll try itif we get hurt, and I was
like, I don't care if Ibreak my leg. I'm doing this.
I want to do this, Idon't care. I did a bunch.
I got to do a bunch ofmy own stunts. So it was really
fun living life on the wild Side. I love it. I sort of
felt like I got to do somuch physical comedy and like sometimes doing a
stunt at an extension of that.And it's funnier if it's the person that

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the real actor that Sometimes I thinkit's funnier when you know, because then
it doesn't take you out. Youknow, it's them you see there,
Like when I when Meredith g ishit by Michael Scott's car, I hit
the glass. You can see me, you can see it's my face.
It's not like so yeah, youknow. So my question is is what
i'd see here? That you werealso on Dancing with the Stars. How

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is that? That was really hard? You cannot party when you're on Dancing
with the Stars. It is likebeing a sudden new athlete. And I
was fifty five when I did it. I can't believe it, but I
had a really great time. Iended up doing most of the tour too.
Actually I was in Cleveland for thetour as well, and it was
it was just like it was thegreatest Uh. I think anytime you work

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with really great people that are reallygood at what they do, like the
pros and to this starts, they'reincredible they teach you that you have to
trust them and they push you,and I just felt like it was it
was just like amazing to be atthat level with like these these guys that
are like my My dance partner waslike he's he his wife for seven time
national champs and their international champs.Like what am I doing? Like Meredith,

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the drunk from the office is dancingwith him? Dance? Probably what
is happening? So I definitely gaveit my all, that's for sure.
So I have to ask you,there's, uh, there may be one
thing that a lot of people mayor may not know. You were actually
on an episode of one of myodd time favorite shows, which is the
Bernie mac Show. Talk about whatthat was like, what that was like

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being on the show, what thatwas like working with Bernie. So this
is a year and a half beforeI got the office, I booked an
episode of Bernie Mack. It's calledStip Upper Lip. Bernie is the greatest.
He is the greatest. He wasthe greatest. Not only was he
funny, he was super kind.He used to have a separate lunch in

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his his dressing room and he wouldinvite all the kids on the show with
their parents because you know, theykids can't work without their parents. So
he like gave everybody like another placeto relax during the show, which is
like it's unheard of for somebody who'sHe's the kindest, he's the best.
I mean, usually guys are numberone on the show. All they do
is think about themselves. Not BernieMack and I. When I got invited

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to that lunch, I was like, oh my god, this is amazing.
And did you know the Creed Brattonwho plays Creed on the Office,
He was in that episode too.He plays a doctor. He didn't have
any lines, but they go tothe hospital. The whole episode is about
like Bernie's a like a like they'regoing to on a field trip and Bernie's
one of the parents with the kids, watching the kids and one of the

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kids is in a wheelchair and Bernie'slike, come on, hurry up,
like and I played the mother.That's like, why are you yelling at
my son? You know, sofunny, Oh my god, such a
funny, like just again real lifepremise, like we're all human beings.
You know, he messed up.He didn't mean it. He treated the
kid like he was a right armkid, and you know that was his
argument. He's like, he can, he can wheel faster. Come on,

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he's the great, He's the greatest. What a loss we I mean,
seriously, if if you've never seenBernie Mack, go find him.
You'll see. He is hilarious.And the story on his TV show was
the story that happened in real life. He took in his nieces and nephews
and he became their parent. Hedropped everything for those kids and raised them
and he was like, I don'tknow what I'm doing, but he did
it. So that's a big heart. That's a big man, funny guy,

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really the real deal. I loveit. You love Bernie Mack.
Absolutely. Absolutely let everybody know howto follow you on social media if they
want to keep up with what yougot going on all that good stuff.
Absolutely, I'm at the real KateFlannery on Instagram. I'm at Kate Flanner
on Twitter. I'm sort of onFacebook, but i feel like I'm never
on enough. But that's yeah,but you can find me in Kate Flannery.

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And I also tour with Jane Lynch. We did a Christmas album,
so we're gonna be touring again.This Christmas. If you go to Jane
Lynch Official you can get tickets toour tour. We're going to be like
a thinking twenty cities, so thisshould be fun. Yeah, awesome.
Thank you so much for spending timewith us. We really appreciate it.
Thank you so much, and thanksfor thanks for still watching the Office,
you guys. It means a lot, absolutely all right, one more time,

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we want to send a special shoutout, of course in the first
segment to Carol Roth for coming onthe show, but also as well to
Kate Flannery and the rest of thealumni from the Office. That was a
very awesome opportunity. We were veryexcited about that. Dante, you up.
Well, I'm just keeping in thetradition of what I said at the

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beginning of the show about you knowsports. Every year that we get to
go to Caves Media Day for meis just a treat. And then highlighting
want to really really give the Calvesthe credit they deserve in their flight,
especially in the wake of a Clevelandmedia member or Cleveland sports commentator who is

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not from here, by the way, had he from New York, but
had the audacity to say that,you know, there's you know, Cleveland
sports fans are shackled with you know, terrible ownership with all three sports franchises,
and that was something that we pushedback and actually punched back, specifically
with the Cavaliers won because the Cavswon a championship. So you may not

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like some of the things with DanGilbert, but he won a championship,
so he's a saint in this town. But also one of the things that
we've experienced personally every single time thatwe go to Caves media day is seeing
not just black faces, but blackfaces and positions of power and positions of
real authority within the team. RightWe're not just saying, oh, well

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it's a black team because they gotblack player, or you see the black
general manager, your slash team presidentand Kobe Altman, or you know black
head coaching Jamie Bickerstaff. But butwe've seen UH communications directors and media personnel
and people who have real influence withwith the organization vps on the business side

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that are that are that are black. So I want to give the Caves
their flowers. And in this interviewwith UH, somebody who just always kept
it real with us man every singletime has gone out of his way to
give us time at CAZ Media Day, even when uh we weren't on the
you know, on the original list, to get a one on one interview
with him. And that's that's ourguy, Donovan Mitchell. All right and

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we're gonna go to that right now, Donovan Mitchell, welcome back. How
you doing, sir, well Man, Glad to be back, Glad to
be here, and I'm excited toget to it. You know what I'm
saying, absolutely, man. Beforewe get into this, I want to
say this publicly. Want to giveyou your flowers, man, because last
year was our first year here mediaDay, we were going through the process.

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I ain't no nothing nobody we wastrying to. We wanted to make
sure we got got you for aninterview. You know, your handlers that
put you all over the place,but you made sure that you came back
over here and talked to us,man. So I want to give your
flowers and public man, I appreciatethat so always, man, I got
to make sure I look out andI appreciate y'all too. I appreciate y'all
one hundred percent absolutely man. Soof course last year didn't end the way

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you guys wanted it to. Butit was valuable experience, especially for you
know, some of the players thathad never been to the playoffs before.
Talk a little bit about what thatexperience was like and now using that as
fuel for the seat. Yeah,you know, I think it fuels you.
I think it's something that you know, you sit at home and watch,
you listen, you hear, youknow, there's always something being said.

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You know. I think for us, we have a group of guys
that really take that into you know, our consideration, take that to heart.
You know what I'm saying. Ithink that you'll you'll see that throughout
the season. I think for myself, to have the year I had in
the regular season and then play theway I play in the playoffs is something
that really keeps me up or keptme up. You know. Right now,
I've moved on and understand that,you know, I've got to continue

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to be the player that I amand I will continue to be. But
I think it's a group we allfeel the same way. But there's a
lot of things you can learn fromthat. There's a lot of things you
could take from that, And Ithink that's the biggest thing is how do
we find a way to take thelessons from the heartbreak and not just you
know, sit there and let thatto tear us from our main goal.
Absolutely, man, And I knowDante, I talk about this all the

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time, Like the media pisces meoff, and like the way that they
talk about y'all and the way thatyou know, because the season didn't end
the way you wanted it to,they act like the entire season was a
failure. How do you guys dealwith all of the outside noise all of
that stuff, because obviously you tryto block it out, but we know

(30:51):
it gets in sometimes, so like, how do you how do y'all deal
with that? Well? I mean, you know, we live in a
world where it's like a one haveyou done for me lately? And two
it's like if you don't have achampionship, you ain't doing anything And we
can sit here and debate that,or I could find a way that we
could find a way to win achampionship, Like you know what I mean,
I'm not, It's it's just theworld we live in. It's just
the way of it. And honestly, as a competitor, I wouldn't want

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any other way, Like you know, yeah, we did some positive things
in the regular season, but ultimatelyit's like, look, we deserve the
criticism, you know. I thinksometimes it goes a little overboard, but
you know, everybody has their opinionuntil we shut them up. You know,
they feel free to say whatever theywant to say. So I can't
really you know, I don't thinkany of us can really say anything about
that. So ultimately, we gotto go out there and put the work
in and do what we do,and I think I have no doubt we

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will. But you know, asfar as that stuff goes, man,
it's miss noise. It's always gonnabe there. It's probably gonna be there
anymore so this year than then lastyear. And you know, ultimately,
you know, no way to getit to either stop or turn the other
way is to win. And Ithink that's that's you can either city I
consider and power about it. Ican sit here and do somebody you know
what I mean. I think that'show we all feel. Do you ever
find it strange though? How likethe same people that will build you up

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to try to you know, ohwe got down and Mitchell, this year,
right is the new season. Everythingis on the up and up,
and then you hit a little bitof adversity and it's then it's like,
what, we gotta knock him downnow, right, But it's like it
seems like a lot of times webuild just to knock down and then when
you were dealing, like right,So if you win a championship this year,
it's like, oh, look atthe redemption story. Right, So

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isn't it crazy how how that processis? And how do you stay in
love with basketball while not liking that? Well, I mean, like it's
the it's the Batman line, youhave to die hero see yourself to come
to bielin Like you know what I'msaying. You know, it is what
it is, it's part of it. And you know, Dennis Robins said
something in the last dance. Hesaid, you I don't agree all the

(32:38):
way, but he said, youdon't get paid for what you do on
the floor. You get paid forall the bulls that comes after off of
it, you know what I mean, Like at the end of the day,
like I said I could, it'sit's the way of its just the
nature of the beast. Like Idon't really I've been fortunate enough to be
thrust into this light at an earlypoint in my career, my first season,
so I'm used to this, likethis is my first year. I

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was shit, been rook of theyear, YadA, YadA, whatever.
So then going and having a notso great start to the year the season,
and now the same people that wereyou know, you know, I'll
bring up steven A because I've toldhim this, Like steven A was like,
man, he's gonna be great.Same next year he was like,
man, this dude is playing liketrack, Like like you know what I'm
saying. But ultimately, like there'sa level of consistency, consistency that comes

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to greatness, and ultimately, likeif you're not getting booed, then you
know, there's no expectation on you, if you're not getting hate on,
there's no expectations. I mean,like clearly as an expectation for myself and
for us to be at this level, we didn't meet that expectation. So
now it's like, how do wefind a way to get to that expectation?
Not because everybody out there, butit's because of because of us.
We want to be that for ourselvesand all that, you know, take

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care of ourself. I'm cursing andall that sorry, but like, uh,
but I ultimately for for myself inthis group. Man, we can't
sit here. I can't sit hereand worry about that. I can't sit
here and say like, oh man, you know they hating on us today,
Like you know what I mean.If I was a fan, I
do the same thing, like youknow what I'm saying, Like I'm not
uh, you know, I'm notnaive to that. Like we have we

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have an expectation to be this butto be this good, we have to
go out there and be this good. That's what comes with greatness and that's
the expectation. All right. Andfinally, man, I know you gotta
wrap here. Last year when wetalked to you, you would you just
got here, just get into thecity. Have you gotten adjusted? Do
you have you know some favorite hotspots and restaurants or whatever you adjusted to
the city. Yeah, you know, I've gotten a few spots spot called.

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I can't eat there too much becauseI I gotta stay to make sure
I stay on my diet. ButZanzibar downtown, that place is o d
I don't think they know that Ibe in there all the time. I
kind of come in there with ahood and I had on, so I
don't think no one really. Itry to walk around and be on the
radar, but I be in therea lot like that's my that's my spot.
Lit was probably went to the othernight as a team I think called

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Fahrenheit. I think it just openedup that spot still. But obviously I
gotta give a shout out to MarbroRoom. I love Marble Room. That's
my that's my spot after games andall that. So those are probably my
three, my three spots. Andthen the Chick fil A by my crib
too. I won't say where I'mat, but I took a by my
crib. They take care of soI appreciate them as well. All right,
Donovian Mitchell, thank you so much. Man. We appreciate it.

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Man, appreciate all the love thatyou showed us since you got here.
Man. All right, stay tuned. We have more to come with the
best of the Outlaws. This isthe Outlaws Radio Show. Welcome back,
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Outlawsradio. Follow us on Twitter andInstagram at the Outlaws Radio, Miss O'Malley,
your next one up. So mynext one is, of course the
one it is episode three sixty withCrazy Bone, because shout out to Crazy

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Bone. His people is our people, you know, and they always seem
to just keep us in that youknow, the circle and come to us.
That way we can be one ofthe ones, one of the main
ones to be able to get themessage out about things that he wants to
get out. But at that pointhe was talking about the street naming of

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East ninety ninth and that is justhistory for Cleveland, Ohio, which was
a phenomenal, great day. Itwas insane, everybody's being chased by bees,
but it was a great one.But that was definitely a great episode,
absolutely, And so we're going togo to that right now, Crazy

(36:38):
Bone walking back. How you doing, Star, Oh good, brother,
how you doing? I'm good?I'm good. So there's a lot of
things to discuss, a lot ofstuff going on. First thing we got
to talked about is the news justbroke that the city of Cleveland is going
to be renaming East ninety nine afterBone, Thugs and Harmony. So first

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of all, talk about how thatmakes you feel, man, How what
what was the what's the what's theemotion of knowing that you know, that
kind of dedication that's gonna last foreverthat the city is given to y'all.
Man. You know, it's it'sit's a real uh, it's a real

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humbling, uh experience. You know. To know this is you know,
from where we came from. Thisis a you know, from this street
going to a street to where wedidn't think we was gonna make it off
of you know, we didn't thinkwe was gonna make it off for ninety
nine. You know what I'm saying, because of all the stuff we used

(37:44):
to be into. So for thatto do a full circle and not thinking
we were gonna make it to heaventhe street named after us, that it's
unexplainable. The feeling is you know, like the feeling is priceless, bro.
It's just like it's it's truly ablessing, you know that we were
able to like basically turn all thatnegativity into into this definitely a blessed feeling.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Youknow I remember when when Steve Harvey
was also from Glenville, when theyrenamed the street after him, you know,
he cried on on on national television. I think a lot of people
may not know, especially if you'renot from Cleveland. You know, Cleveland
today is a lot different than itwas back then. Like the city's been
through a whole lot, and youcame up around that era, you know

(38:34):
what I mean. Like I'm oldenough to remember the tail end of the
crack era, like you come.You came up around that era. Man,
it was it was tough man.So just talk a little bit about
that. Talk a little bit aboutlike you just said, going from remembering
what it was like on those streetsto now, you know, having that
street named after you. Yeah,man, you know, because you know
it was it was. It wasrough man, you know, like we

(38:55):
were we you know, we werelike everybody else in a city at that
you know, we were very poor, you know, we and we was
we had to grow up very fast. You know what I'm saying. I
was. I was out on myown when I was sixteen years old,
you know, So it was likewe were, man, it was that

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whole that whole thing was crazy.I remember us, you know, trying
to trying to win the whole crackthing. Crack epidemic came into place,
us trying to do that as well, but to keep it one hundred.
We wasn't even really good at it. We just we just we just really
did it basically just to sustain dayto day because our main thing was always

(39:38):
music. But you know, likewe was in the streets, like we
was homeless, like so we hadto do we had to do to survive.
But our main thing was music.We was never one thing about us
we was we was I mean anyI mean, you can't control what goes
goes on in the street, butour mind state was to try to stay
as far as away from it beingin it as possible, knowing that we

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have to be in it, meaninglet's try to focus more on music and
put more of our energy into musicthan what we're doing on the streets.
And I think that's what, youknow, like finally balanced it out for
us and saved us and pulled usup out of there because we started to
take music much more serious than wedid the streets. MM, we're talking

(40:23):
with crazy bone legged day. Crazyball doesn't harden me, Robert. I
know you got a question, goright now, Okay, So my question
is what was it like growing upon each ninety ninth back then, like
for you, oh man, itwas it was. It was wild.
We had we had some we hadsome wild nights. I remember one of

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my one of my homies, Tombstone, who was from who was from uh
he was originally from Inglewood, California. I remember one day he came down
the street and he was like,man, it looked like Compton. Here
we we and we had never beento Comptent, but he was like,
bros, it looked crazy out here. Like so it was like we was

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like we was into any every thingyou could think of. If it made
us money, we was doing it, you know what I'm saying. Like
I would, I would say wewas them dudes. You did not want
to like run into on the streetsand we needed something that like really it
was that sit and I hate liketalking about it now because like I don't

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like like glorifying the way we hadto scratch and scrape to get by.
But that was just our mentality.It was like we're homeless. We here
now on the streets. We gottalive and it is those were some very
dark days, like literally dark days, you know what I'm saying. And
like I said, to be abletheo to come out of those days.

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Man, And you know, Iremember, like just like like all kind
of stuff happening on ninety nine,the day that we the day that we
actually shot our video, the daywe brought Easy out here to shoot our
video. I don't know if y'allremember, but the video was shot up
and six people got shot at thevideo shoot wow on same clear. I

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don't know what made w Z aK get on the ear and say that
Easy was gonna be on Saint Clairshooting the video. But that was not
the right thing to do at thetime, like because the entire city of
Cleveland was on Saint Claire that day, and I'm like, this is not
going to end well, Like it'snot going to end well, and it
didn't, you know, Like sojust like it's it's a lot of good

(42:34):
and bad memories over there, youknow. But like I said, I'm
just glad we was able to makeit up out of there and just make
something positive. And now, youknow, and now people are looking at
us at a different light instead ofyou know again, you know what,
right, you know it's I mean, y'all have an amazing story, and

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you know, Cleveland shows y'all alot of love, like Cleveland loves Boom.
Talk about what that's like, man, talk about what it's like to
get that love from the city.And it's been pretty, you know,
pretty consistent from the moment that y'allcame out, Like the city has been
rocking with y'all. Yeah, man, it's it's it's definitely been consistent,

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man, you know, and youknow, I gotta give hats off to
the city, man, because likeI hear all the time, you know,
you you hear all the time,you know, artists talking about you
know, well, man, youknow, they hate you the most in
your own city. They hate youthe most where you come from and d
D D. I mean, we'veexperienced some hate, but that's that's awhere
you go. But overall, thecity has stood behind us, like like

(43:46):
people tell me their stories, likepeople like like people like man, when
when when y'all came out, Heywhere I went and I told people out
from Cleveland, they showed me lovejust because of y'all, you know what
I'm saying. Told them, Iain't even know y'all, you know what
I'm saying. So it was justlike like the love that the city had
and consistently has. Man, It'simpressive to me. That's why, you

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know, that's why I was impelledto come back, and like always had
this plan, but it was itreally energized me when I seen your mona
love that the city still have forus, man, and I you know,
they deserve some of their love backin return for sure. Definitely.
Man. Man, that's what's upand and and you know, going through

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like when you're talking about the thingsthat y'all went through and all of that.
To have the street named after you, what do you think, uh,
that can how you think that canserve as an inspiration for maybe people
who are in ninety nine, forSaint Clair right now, who are growing
up in that right now. Youknow what I mean? Man? You
know yeah, yeah, you know, because I see the dudes is out

(44:52):
there now. You know what I'msaying. You know those dudes, they
they real out there, you knowwhat I'm saying. So I'm like,
you know, but I want thosedudes to know, you know what I'm
saying, Like, don't you knowI know we in this city, you
know, we all going into thissituation and to the ghetto or whatnot.
You know what I'm saying, andit's a it's a tricky place, but

(45:15):
like we can't let you can't letyour surroundings in your environments automatically doom you.
You know, like you know whenyou I hear a lot of people
in their music saying, well,you I was forced to do this.
I'm a product of my environment.But you don't have to be because we
all have one of these a mind, and we are the only one that

(45:37):
can control that mind. Nobody else. We can let other people do it,
but we have the power to cutall that off and be like,
you know what, I'm not gonnago this route everybody else is going.
I'm gonna go do this even thoughI may have to go get me a
job, I may have to doit the right way for a while.
This is not about to take meunder, like like like the way I

(45:58):
look at things now, Like andI had this knowledge and somebody telling me
this, I would have probably listened, you know what I'm saying, because
it's like, wasn't nobody telling usthese things? But I'm telling people like,
you know, just because you're inthe hood or you're in the best
situation, that's not the end ofthe world. Miracles happen every day.
People's success stories and dreams come trueevery day. They're not just dreams,

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you know what I'm saying. Likethey can become reality if you put your
mind to it and you and youproperly playing for it, you know what
I'm saying. So that's what Iwould tell to younger people. Yeah.
Absolutely, And you know it's reallyinteresting. I'm a fan like most people
in Cleveland. I'm a Both Dugsman. I've been of Both Dugs man

(46:44):
forever. And you know, it'sinteresting, man, when people really listen
to your music and go through yourcatalog for real. You know, it's
not just, of course the songsthat everybody knows and the gangs the songs
and all of that, but y'allhave a lot of really conscious music as
well. Was that something that wasthat something that y'all set out to do

(47:05):
intentionally to speak to some of thoseissues, whether it was like Crossroads or
I tried, or you know whatI mean, Like, was it something
that y'all set out to do intentionallyor was it just speaking on y'all reality
and how y'all felt about that whateversubject that was at the time. I
mean at first, it was justspeaking on our reality. I'm not gonna
lie and say we came out tryingto give messages to people and da da

(47:29):
da. It was just the lifewe lived. We knew what kind of
everything we went through to get towhere we were. So we were like,
if we can help anybody, likeif we could lead by experience,
and like, you know what I'msaying, Like people can look at us
and be like, you know whatI'm saying. I want to be as
successful as they were. You knowwhat I'm saying, And you know that's

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that's that's a wonderful thing. ButI can't say that we actually planned that
out. I think we were justbasically speaking from our experience and emotions.
And once we started realizing the effectthat we had on people, I think
that's when we, at least Istarted taking it more seriously, realizing the

(48:12):
platform that we had and realizing,you know, we don't have to talk
about all negative stuff all the time. We can tell these people our experiences
in a way to have them thinktwice about following our steps, you know.
Like so like it all kind ofgradually just came along as we went.

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Yeah, because you know, onesong I'm thinking about off the top
of my head, and this topicis get up and get it. I
mean, that's that was, youknow, one of those type of songs
where you know, you don't seea ton of artists, a ton of
ton of rappers doing that type ofmusic now, And when you go back
and listen to it, it isit was clear that, you know,

(48:57):
y'all was saying, y'all had somethingto say. You weren't just rapping to
be rapping. You have to say, do you think that was a difference
in your music now versus some ofthe stuff you see today. Oh yeah,
I mean, I mean, youknow, I mean it's all levels,
man. You know, because whenwe came out, when we came
out, like if you notice ourfirst EP, people on to come up
in Eternal, I don't think wewere saying nothing positive. We were.

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We were kicking everybody's ass and takingnames. You know what I'm saying.
We was, We was because that'sbecause we was fresh out that you know,
we was. We was fresh outthe trenches, fresh off of ninety
nine. Like, so that wasour moment. We was mad. We
was militantly was mad. We waslike all those emotions wrapped up in one
so we didn't have nothing positive tosay. We was like the world at

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that time, you know what I'msaying. So, but as we you
know, when we got to artthe War and those other letter albums,
things started to calm down for us. So we started to see what we
had and who we were and wherewe were going and what we had done.
And then we you know, everythinghad started to come together after that,
and you know, we just startedmaking making music like you know,

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I just got a feeling like youknow, we're supposed to be doing more,
like people, all these people loveus like it's it's it's a crazy
unconditional love too. So we gottawe got to give these people more than
just shoot them up bang bang types. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
absolutely, all right, all right, And my next pick is episode

(50:30):
looking for the Number Here, episodethe three sixty four, as Ohio Secretary
of State Frank L. Rose,who is running for the United States Senate.
It was it's always a pleasure whenwe're able to, you know,

(50:50):
talk to people who have an impacton our our on our lives, and
and really, you know, forsomeone who's who's running for the Senate,
who's our secretary of state right nowto stop by and kick it with us.
You know, I really appreciated that. So we're going to go to
Frank L. Rose's interview right now. What's talking with Ohio Secretary of State

(51:13):
Frank the Rose, who's running forUnited States Senate. We have a few
minutes left, so A're gonna getto a couple of questions real quick.
What is your top priority when youget elected to the Senate. It's our
economy. Families are struggling, andit's it's it's hurting. It's hurting Ohioance,
and I can't stand by well thathappens. This is one of the

(51:35):
main reasons why I'm motivated to dothis. Listen, when when I was
in the State Senate, we wereable to balance the budget and cut taxes
and streamline regulations and also invest inthe things that matter. We invested in
public education because this is the greatequalizer in our country. Each of us
comes from, you know, differentbackgrounds. Some families have more money than

(51:55):
others. But if we're going totruly be that meritocracy where every kid has
the chance to succeed, we've gotto have great public education. So we've
invested in that. We've invested ininfrastructure, roads and bridges, and power
and water and all the things thatit really takes to run an economy.
Those are the kind of things I'lldo at the federal level to help get
our economy back on track again.The solutions that Brown and Biden have come

(52:17):
up with are are actually hurting familiesand not helping them. And we're going
to turn the corner and make Americaprosperous and strong again. And also another
issue that's near dear to my heartbecause it's something that is impacting us as
I know you're aware. You knowwe've had an uptick in crime and a

(52:40):
lot of our cities, not onlyin Ohio but across the country, but
especially in Ohio. You know we'rebased in Cleveland. You know, there's
been a very significant problem with anincrease in crime. So and I know
there's you know, there's limits asfar as what you can do on the
federal level, but sind you becomeand I state senator, what would your
approach be do to kind of helpthese cities deal with these crime issues that's

(53:06):
going on right now, and thisis impacting our minority communities more than anybody
else. I mean, it startswith enforcing the law. The reason why
we have prisons are for violent criminals, right, for people that hurt our
families and our communities. But thereare smart sanctions for other kinds of crimes
where we can really rehabilitate people.We call it the Department of Rehabilitation and

(53:29):
Corrections for a reason. We allfall short from time to time. And
you know, we believe in helpingpeople to get back into life after they've
been incarcerated. This is why I'veled the charge with an initiative that helps
people get registered to vote after theyget out of incarceration, because we know
that one of the best things wecan do so that people don't fall back

(53:50):
into a life of crime is toget them back involved in their families,
their communities, their churches, andpart of that is being a registered voter.
But it also comes down to makemaking sure that we support our police.
That means they need to have theequipment and the training they need to
deal with all the challenges they face. They end up interacting with people that
are struggling with addiction and mental healthproblems, getting them that crisis intervention training

(54:15):
that they need, because when apolice officer encounters somebody who's having a mental
health crisis, they need to beable to handle that in a way where
it's safe for the police officer andsafe for the citizen that's having that crisis.
And with the right training, theycan do that. And also comes
down to making sure that our policeforces reflect our community. A diverse police
force is a focus that I thinkwe ought to have training these diverse police

(54:38):
forces to be out in the community, to be present, to go play
basketball with the local kids so thatthey know that, hey, that man
or woman in uniform, that's notmy enemy, that's my friend, and
you know they're there to keep ussafe. Those are the kind of things
that we need to see more of. And you're right most of that is
at the local level, but there'ssome things that we can do at the
betteral level as well. Yeah.I mean, thing that I think maybe

(55:01):
can be done is, like yousaid, increase in the resources. I
mean, we have a severe problemhere in Cleveland the police department is that
as the lowest levels it's been sincenineteen twenty eight. We need more officers.
Do you think that at the federallevel that maybe there can be more
resources putting put into recruitment and retention, and I mean the pays not good.

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They're dealing with all all the kindof stuff that they're dealing with,
and it's a crisis level at thispoint. Sure it is, And there
are federal grant programs that we needto invest in that can help cities with
the hiring those kind of public safetyofficers that we need. But you know,
there's something else that doesn't get talkedabout enough, and that is the

(55:46):
root of some of these crime crimeproblems that we face. Listen, when
I was in Kosovo, i wasthere as part of the peacekeeping operation.
One of the biggest problems in Kosovothat was causing violence was massive of unemployment.
People were bored and they were desperate, and they were sitting around,
and so they engaged in criminal typeenterprises. We need to work on rebuilding

(56:10):
our communities in the way that peoplehave meaningful work and they can build their
families and live in good housing andhave a stable life, because people are
way less likely to commit crimes whenthey're living their best life. And that
means making sure that fathers are activelyinvolved in the lives of their children,
there's this really cool program here inColumbus and a friend of mine named al

(56:31):
Edmunds, who owns a barber shopout on the east side of Columbus in
the King Lincoln neighborhood. He startedthis thing on Father's Day where they do
they do a big breakfast for dadsand their kids and they give out the
Father of the Year Award. Iwas a little offended because I had a
mug for my kids that said Iwas the number one dad. But evidently
evidently somebody else won the award thisyear. But I attended that because I

(56:52):
believe in father right, and sogetting helping men to be actively involved in
the lives of their children is justanother part of this because kids need role
models, and if they don't findit from a coach or a father,
or a Scout leader or a teacher, they're going to find mentorship the wrong
way from a local gang leader ora criminal. And that's that's that's problematic

(57:14):
for our families, all right.And uh, finally, and I just
I believe I know where you're whereyou're at on this. You kind of
mentioned it earlier, but I justwanted to ask you directly for the record
school choice is something that's very importantto me. I view it as a
as a civil rights issue. Ithink it's the civil rights issue of our
time. Where are you on schoolchoice and parents' rights as far as education

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goes? This is one of thekey things that I'm running on again.
Parents' rights are crucial. We asparents have this responsibility and nobody, no
government bureaucrat, nobody should step betweenus and our children. And You're right,
school choice is a civil rights issuebecause where where we have some of
the most struggling public schools in ourstate is in our minority communities, and

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it's chipping away at that great Americantradition that any kid can be whatever they
dream of. And to make surethat every child has the opportunity to succeed,
we need competition. Competition makes usstronger. We know that it works
on the athletic field, it worksin the free market, and it needs
to work in public education. Untilthere's that kind of competition and choice for

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parents about which environment is best fortheir children, we will not be able
to have that great meritocracy where everykid has the opportunity to succeed. I'm
a firm supporter of school choice.And I've led on this issue in the
state legislature and I'll lead on thisissue in Washington. All right, let
everybody know how to get in contactwith you, if they want to get

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in contact with you on social media, if they want to get more information
about the campaign, The website,all that good stuff. Absolutely, yeah,
check us out at frank LeRose dotcom. That's the campaign website.
You can sign up to be apart of team. You can message me
right on there, and then we'realso on all the different social media channels.
It's just at frank Lorose for mepersonally and for my campaign team.
We've got a new social media handlethat's at Loro's for Senate. And I

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look forward to the conversation. Ilook forward to the job interview. This
for the next year and a halffor me, is a year and a
half long job interview. Every dayI'm going to be talking to your listeners,
my prospective employers, and asking themto hire me for a job.
And I hope that they do becauseI know I can make a difference.
All Right, stay tuned, Wehave more to come here on the best

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of the Outlaws. Fucka say welcomeback, Welcome back, you're listening to
the Outlaws, the best of MerryChristmas, Happy New Year, all of

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that good stuff, and Dante.This interview was really really dope to me.
This was during you know, electionseason, but episode three eighty two
our guy now friend of show,Shay Hawkins. I wanted to I wanted
to give him some love because thatwas one of the best interviews that we
did all year. I really reallyappreciate him taking the time. That was

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just a you know, it wasan extra. It was a just a
great conversation about his story. He'sa buck eye, so old h but
id talking to him that day thatthat interview really did something for me.
So I appreciate that, and Iwanted to get out on some love,

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all right, and we're going togo to that right now. The opportunities
on legislation is probably one of thethings that you're knowing that you're known the
most for. Yes, talk aboutwhat it's like, man, what it
feels like to see to be apart of that, to have written it
and to see it implemented, andhow it's helped people. You know,

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talk about how that makes you feelto see the success of something like that
that's actually having a real impact onpeople's lives. Man, it's great.
It really is special. Some ofthe folks. You know, a lot
of the work on Capitol Hill involvesmeeting with different stakeholders, people from your

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home state, people from other states, you know, people who have an
interest in the legislation that are that'sbeing drafted, and things like that.
We had a lot of key meetingsduring taxophone. They were twenty four to
seven where you're basically representing the memberof Congress that you work for, you
know, in those meetings, andpeople would always emphasize people who have been

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around Capitol Hill. They're like,you could have been on Capitol Hill fifteen
years and never had the chance towork on legislation. Is significant as what
we did in taxi form, youknow, just because the pieces have to
come together, so you know,and it's such a timely fashion. Your

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party has to be, you know, in power. The American people have
to be desirous of what you guyswant to do. You know. It's
really it's really a special thing.And opportunity zones was not a top priority

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during the drafting process. We weredealing with a one point five trillion dollar
tax bill and opportunity zones was youknow, a a two billion dollar you
know, two billion dollars over tenyears proposition. That's what we thought,
you know, in terms of whatit would cost the government of tax dollars.

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And you know, so I hadto literally work on opportunity zones quote
unquote in my spare time, whichI didn't have have a lot of that
now, you know, and SenatorScott always jokes that if I got a
cold during tax reform and missed twodays of work, opportunity zones wouldn't exist.

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Wow. And so you're talking aboutjust in the first three years.
You know, we hope that fiftybillion dollars would come in over ten years.
We now know that fifty billion dollarscame in just in the first three
years, and that you know thatthat capital is changing lives. I mean,

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it's already the most successful community developmentpolicy in American history. Wow.
And so you know, knowing thatI was able to be a part of
that, you know, it's exactlywhat I wanted when I said, Hey,
I'm going to take a couple ofyears of pivot to public service.
You know, it is exactly thetype of impact that I wanted to have,

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and I feel blessed, you know, because you know, the Lord
put the right put me with theright person who was in the right position,
and then I was prepared over theyears, you know, my skill
set for that for that moment,you know, and so it really is

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in some ways kind of a capstonein my career. And it's it's really
amazing. People here at Cleveland whoare touching the policy, dealing with it
in one way or the other,are particularly proud, you know, they
are particularly proud that a Clevelander itwas so instrumental to this process, and

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like I said, them being proudmakes me the more proud. So yeah,
it's it's it's something. It's reallyamazing, And like I said,
I just feel blessed because because there'sso many moving parts. So you can
be the smartest guy, you canbe hard working, you know, you
can you know, you can havethe best ability to interact with other staffers

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and be the most personal or whatever. But you know, if the timing
is not right, then that stuffreally doesn't matter. And so I feel
blessed not just to have been prepared, but also to have been out on
Capitol Hill at the right time.I know you're you're a big ten guy,

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and you know so Dante is alsoa big ten guy. So with
that, we're gonna transition a littlebit because I know he has a question.
Yes that ain't got nothing to dowhen we've been talking about but he's
gonna go ahead and ask you.Go ahead, Shade, so as a

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first and foremost because you are alsoa buck eye. Oh h I oh,
that's right. So our our rivalsto the north are in some some
hot water because they could they didall of this cheating because they couldn't beat
us. So just just really quick, because we you know, we every

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you know this is not as importantas what's going on, but what's your
thoughts on that man? Do youactually want to see hardball suspended? Or
do you want to make him coachwithout our you know, without our signs?
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeahexactly. So So here's the thing.

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We we we know why he's cheating. We know why he's cheating,
and as badly as as his recordis against us, I almost don't even
blame him, you know, Imean the guy, you know, you
know, the guy had to dosomething. He was on the verge of
being fired, and so you know, he's cheating to win in a number

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of areas and overall, you know, he Harball has demonstrated some really poor
judgment. You know, he triedto hire Joe Shimbckler's son. Turns out
the guy's got a whole bunch ofracist tweets out there. He just had
one of his staff caught up insome sort of some sort of catcher predators

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scandals, so they had to theyhad to fire him. You know.
So these are all people that thatthat he's hiring, including it looks like
he hired some people to obviously stealsigns, you know, and so you
know some of these coaches for doingothers have the receipts, and so you

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know, you really don't want tosee these guys blow through, you know,
kind of on a you know,on a falsified record and then be
successful. You don't want to seeit. But on the other hand,

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you know, on the other hand, I feel like it's it's very it's
a lot to ask the authorities tosuspend them before they conclude their investigation.
And you know, for us,I feel like if you let the season
play out, then Harbaugh and thepeople who are helping them you know,

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I don't blame the players, butHarbard and the people who are helping him
do wrong are going to get whatthey deserve, meaning on the field too,
yep. And so my inclination isto let the investigation play out.
Let it play out, and youknow, he should get as severe punishment

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as is available given what comes back. That's that's what I said too.
I I don't want him suspended.I want him to I want to coach
it straight up because clear, theresults are clear, right, the results
before and after are very clear,very and no nobody in Columbus, no,
no, bluck, I felt,we're not afraid of that guy,

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right like you know, we wedominated him. He was on the verge
of getting fired, like you said, And I just want him to coach
it straight up because I I mean, the last two years have been kind
of weird right where it's like we, I mean, we dominated this guy,
We dominated this programmed. You know, when was it seventeen and one
or something like that, and allof a sudden, two straight years,

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you guys are three four touchdowns betterthan us, Like I don't know,
and then this happened and now wefind out why. So so yeah,
I just I just want to justtake on that as a Oh yeah,
now he tried to run from usduring the COVID year. You know,
yep, they forget They conveniently forgetabout that part too. Oh forty five

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guys had COVID. Yeah, okay, I want to make sure that we
give the numbers to all of them, because Robin started that trend that was
actually the right thing to do.So I want to make sure that we
give all the numbers for the interviewsthat we've mentioned here. So, Shay
Hawkins, the interview that you justheard that was episode three eighty two.

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The CAVS Media Day episode this episodethree seventy eight. The Carol raw interview
is episode three seventy six. TheOhio Secretary of State Frank leroe'se interview is
episode three sixty four. The CrazyBone interview is episode three sixty and this

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one which one was the the officeone, Robin, because that's way up
never mind, I see it.The office interviews were episode three forty five.
So make sure y'all go and checkthose out in their entirety, and

(01:11:43):
real quick, we have time forone more. I'm gonna throw an audible
real quick, and give a shoutout to an interview that we just did
with Sonny Johnson from Sirius XM Patriot, host of Sonny's Corner. That was
a great interview. Really appreciated herstopping my kicking it with us. I've

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been on her show, so itwas fun to have her on ours.
So we're gonna go to that rightnow. So you have Sunny's Corner.
When did Sunny's Corner start? Howlong have you been doing it? I
think we're getting ready to start ourfifth year Sunny's Corner. So we just
got renewed again, so we'll stillbe on Serious X and Patriot, and

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I know that there's a lot ofwhite Republicans and conservatives that hate that fact,
but yeah, we just got pickedup for renewed, so this will
be our fifth year doing Sunny's Corner. Well, congratulations on your renewal.
That's that's a big deal. That'svery important for the culture. For people
who haven't heard. Tell people alittle bit about Sonny's Corner. What what's

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the experience that they would have whenthey listened to the show. It is
It is black conservatism. We stickto that every single topic, every single
week. Revolves around something having todo with bringing conservatism to Black America.
So each of every premise, everyidea, every principle that we talk about

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can be equally applied to any community. So it's not separatists in nature,
but it is specifically targeted towards theBlack community because I think that there has
been such neglect coming from the righttowards Black America that it needs it needs
focus, it needs attention, itneeds constant, constant nurturing. And you

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have all of these groups that raiseall of this money talking about doing all
black outreach, but they can't evenconsistently stay on one topic. So every
single week you're gonna get something relatedto attached to black culture, to black
history, to Black faith, orto Black communities, and you're going to

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get a chance to hear from justregular black people. Right. So you
know, everybody in our arena isalways interested in titles and kind of what
spot this person is in, oryou know what I'm saying, who they
are attached to, And on Sunday'sCorner, I make it a lot more

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about simply what they know, howthey're able to handle conversation, the added
knowledge they bring to a specific subjectthat I might not know about, and
I let them expouse upon it.So, especially when it comes to black

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men, I have this thing whereeverybody in our culture today they want to
speak for black men on behalf ofblack men in the name of black men,
but very few people want to letblack men speak for themselves. So
it's a real big honor and avery big part of what I do on
Sunny's Corner, and just I'll getinto mic turned it over to black men

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and letting them start the conversation whereverthey want, on any topic they want,
and we just chop it up fromthere. So that's it's been a
real blessing to do that for thelast five years. We're talking with Sonny
Johnston, who is the host ofSonny's Corner on Serious x M. Patriot
Dante go ahead, So, Sonny, I'm glad you brought that up because

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it was refreshing to find you onTwitter the way I found you. And
so if you could do just tostart off, can you explain to our
listeners what is black conservatism and howyou define it and how you preach it
compared to what the normal person whomay not follow politics or who may and

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who may not be as familiar withthe culture what they would concern with what
they would considered republicanism or conservatism.That would come from different people, depending
on that would be a different answerdepending on who you ask. Right,
So, if you asked black progressivewhat is a Black conservative, they would

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tell you, you know, fromtheir perspective of what they have been presented,
they would say, you know,like the coon or the sellout or
the self hater. You know whatI'm saying, all them specific the Uncle
Tom's, all them specific names thatthey throw out towards a specific brand of
black faces that are on the right. Or if you were talking to white

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conservatives and white Republicans, it wouldkind of be the nineteen sixties revamp of
the Republican Party where they kind ofcreated this ethos of conservatism based around Russia,
low taxation, and American patriotism.You know, did are what we're

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talking about in terms of black conservatism, are those steadfast lessons that have been
passed through Black America that is genuinelyuniquely specific to Black America, going through
Frederick Douglass, through Booker T.Washington, through Carter Woodson all the way

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up through Malcolm X and what Ibelieve we are currently seeing in a in
a renaissance as far as Black America, going back towards that that legacy conservatism
that has withheld us so long theentire time we have been in this country.
So it's just basic principles of theIf you if you put the three

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to the top three together principle wise, you would say that the first is
the idea of the individual. Uh, you want to make sure or that
you are taking care of yourself firstand foremost. You are taking care of
your own mental health, your ownphysical health, your own economic health,
your own marriage, your own kids, your own household, your immediate family

(01:18:15):
out that kind of that whole radiusencompasses your individual self, and you want
to make sure those things are takingcare of first and foremost. As you
start to accomplish that and to becomeresolute in those areas, then you want
to become a steward in your community. And you go to the second part
of conservatism, which is the republic, and that means the government closest to

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the people should have the most powerover the people, and in gaps where
you don't want government interference, thepeople should step up. So that is
when we become stewards in our community, we become coaches, we become mentors,
and we start to participate in thepolitical process, especially at the local
level, because most of the thingsthat we complain about in terms of items,

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especially in Black America, that aresystemically racist, are put into place
at the local level. So ifyou go from the individual to the local
level, I think we'll start seeinga lot more effectual change, and then
eventually we'll get to that third level, which is the constitution, and we

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can start looking at things that ourfederal government is doing, the corruption that
has kept coming to America institutions,and maybe some of the abuses that have
been you have been wielded in thearea of foreign policy. So, Sonny,
let me ask you what's been You'vebeen doing the show for five years,

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You've been out in the public,Guye even longer than that. What's
the response. What's the typical responsethat you get from a mainstream traditional conservatives
when they are introduced to your brand? Well, it's split because you have

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there is a section of white Republicans, conservative grassroots that are very interested in
our conversations. Right. If thatwasn't the case, then I wouldn't still
be here, right. There hasto be some kind of audience that is
receptive to hearing and to learning andto absorbing different thoughts. But for the

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rank and file, and especially thosethat are in the leadership position, they
wholeheartedly reject any kind of debate towardsthe colorblind narrative that they have been pressed
on for decades now that has continuouslycaused them to lose the black vote by
ninety percent for over sixty seventy eightyyears now. So they are not very

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receptive to having a debate outside oftheir assigned parameters. And I have found
it an absolutely joy to blow upevery single barrier that they put in front
of me. All right, allright, thank you so much for everybody
that's been listening to the show withus this year, Robin, send a

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message to the people. Last onefor twenty twenty three. Yeah, so
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,and just remember to for the next year,
you know, appreciate what you've got, hustle hard for what you want,
stay humble and spread love. Dote. What's the message for twenty twenty

(01:21:45):
four? Stay out of trouble.Sometimes you need to keep sometimes saying less
is more. And before you decideto make a comment on race or gender
or any of that's those social youknow, buzzwords that can get you in
trouble. Just think about it fora second. Press pause in your mind

(01:22:10):
before you tweet or before you sayanything, so you don't get in trouble
getting called a racist or a bigoteor anything like that. And if you
need some and if you need someguidance, make sure you listen to this
show. We will definitely help youout. So my last word twenty twenty

(01:22:30):
three is just make sure first ofall that you stay safe. There's a
lot of things going on out here. You know, a lot of people
dealing with a lot of stuff.We've all been through a lot over these
last few years. So just staysafe, man, and just stay positive,
man, and keep God first andeverything you do. I think a

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lot of times, and especially inthis world today, we're all looking for
like there's so many people that arelooking for other things to fill the void
in their life instead of turning tothe only thing that can fill it,
which is God. You know whatI mean. So just you know,
put God first, Put God atthe center of everything you do, and

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that that's the thing that that givesyou purpose and gives you perspective, because
once you lose that, man,that's when things start to go haywires.
So stay safe, keep God first, keep a positive attitude. So we
thank you so much for everybody thathas been a part of this journey with
us this year and every year.Thank you so much to all of our

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guests that we've had this year andlast year and the year before that and
all of that as well. Weappreciate it so much. All Right,
everybody, take care. We willsee you in twenty twenty four. This

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