Ep. 392 - Talking the state of journalism, Vivek and racism and more

The team is talkling about a number of issues this week, like the mass layoffs at Sports Illustrated and what it means for the state of journalism, Iowa voters making racist comments about
Vivek Ramaswamy and how that clashes with Vivek's own statements about racism and more.

Episode Transcript

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Tune in the charge for the Outlaw. Welcome to the Outlaws. This
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Follow us on Twitter and Instagram atthe Outlaws or Radio. We have
a lot of things to discuss.But first, miss O'Malley, how are
you? Uh? You know,I'm good, you know, uh my
birthday just passed this past weekend.Uh, well past week thank you,
you know, I mean thirty six, but looking a lot younger. You

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know, my body sometimes be sayingotherwise. But you don't be popping here
and there right a little bit,a little bit sometimes pop like damn,
where did it come from? No, be at work and next thing you
know, I'll be Hey, don'tlet there be snow when we when we

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take that little that little trip theresnow. We don't have a snowball fight.
Does the weather get like that?I know it's cold there, but
I don't know if it uh,I know it gets cold. I don't
know. I'm sure it snows alittle bit right there, so I'm sure.
Well with me, we'll tell youthe listeners. We'll tell the listeners

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a little later. The trip thatwe're talking about will stay tuned on the
future episode for that. But yeah, I mean I remember used to like
every once in a while go likesledding or whatever, or you know,
snowball fight or whatever. But Iwas never one of those. I wasn't
one of those kids that would likejust go jump in the snow and just
go lay in the snow. Iain't do that. I think maybe I

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might have did a snow angel maybeonce or twice in my life. That's
about it. No, it's see. I mean, the sledding is fun.
I think my last time going sleddingwas actually when my kids were real
little and we I don't know ifyou guys know where the kiddie park is,
there's a big hill and that's thelast time I went, cause I
tell you what, I felt everybit of that in my back going down

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that big old hill. That's it. I'm done. Last time I went,
I was a teenager and we wentto Cane Park in Cleveland Heights and
you know, they got a bigand if you ever met anybody who's listening
to ever been there, they gota big hill as you slide down on
them, and I slid down andI wrecked my ass because the right the

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ride down was fun. But it'slike when you get to the to the
flat park, I'm like, no, I'm cool. I'm like this hurt.
I ain't doing this no more.You never went slanting down. I
want to tear you up. Thatwas once and I was at uh.
I was in a private school atthe time, so you understand the demographics,
correct was there they never never again, never did it before never never

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wife at the end. Uh yeahone of one time? Yeah yeah,
and uh and we went to wewent to Brandywine one so I don't know
if that counts too, but thatyou know, sometimes I ain't brand but
I you know, like I said, you know the demographic. I was

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in private school at the time,so how did you like brandywine. I
ain't been a brandywine. Listen,I don't. I don't like real snow.
I don't like fake No, Idon't like winter stuff at all.
It's a foreign thing for me thatpeople like cold weather and snow. So
what if you end up like witha wife who's like, likes to go

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out winter and the winter cabin andall that kind of stuff. Well,
okay, if you don't get blastedwith snowballs? Does so a cabin is
sing inside? Like, I don'tmind, not like a cabin a fireplace.
You know, I can drink wine, wash TV. That's fine,
but I'm not We don't need togo outside. What if she want to

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go outside? What if she wantto go skin or even just sitting on
one of them, on one ofthem what your calls I don't even know
what they call it. Where theygot it on the zip line and you
outside? Oh, that would actuallybe pretty cool, you know what.
I will compromise almost anything, youknow, because I believe compromise is a

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healthy part of a relationship. I'mnot compromising on that. Robert, watch
this. I have a great questionfor you guys, Say, what if
your wife says to you either yougo out and do these winter activities with
me, or I get to sitand talk to you and interrupt you during
football season. Which one would you? You can sit and interrupt me all

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you want. You can sit andtalk of talk all you from football season.
He ain't gonna listen. Say yousay you not can talk all you
want to. This dude is atrip. Man. I can't wait till

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you get married. It's gonna befun. I ain't doing that. Especially.
I was like this this week.I mean old here and clear.
I mean we had our temperatures werelow, single digits and with the wind
show they were negative. I'm notI don't want to be outside in that.

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Yeah, it was. It wasa traditional Cleveland. But see if
it's not like if it's not likehow it has been, and it's the
snowing outside like rough, fluffy snowlike it is right now and it's not
super cold out, no, Idon't mind that. But if it was,
yeah, I if you're outside toolong or lose limbs, no,

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and we're not out there. Whatyou think mankind did before there were houses?
Right? Uh? Sat by fire? You? I mean we made
fires, we survived. We allShelter is the basic need of human life.
Everybody, we we've always had shelter. But yeah, ain't nobody trying

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to be out say it's two degreesoutside windshield negative fifteen. No no,
no, yeah, no, no, no, not right now. No,
that's crazy. We you really hopeyou don't get No, you don't
get no girl that love this stuff, because you're gonna be in trouble.
I wanted to make a joke sobad, but I'm not gonna do it.

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Oh oh yeah, I think Iknow I'm gonna do it with don't
go there. All right, onthat note, Now it's the time of
the show that we like to gotime with rope turned up, don't uptation,

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the latest celebrity news and gossip.It's tea time with Roe on the
Outlaws Radio show. All right,y'all, So I got a couple of
little stories for you. So thefirst one we're gonna go to is actually
about Snoop Dogg's daughter, Corey Brotusif I pronounced her last name correctly.

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So she revealed that she recently suffereda stroke and she wasn't sure why or
what happened, you know, butshe's only twenty four years old, and
it's I mean, it seems likethat we are getting younger and younger and
younger, and these things are happening. Like I've seen stories. I have

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a personal friend who is who thathappened to as well, and they were
in their twenties and they had astroke and lost their sight for a few
years. And I've seen yeah,I've seen other people saying the same thing.
And they're all in their twenties andthirties. So it's like, what
is going on? Yeah, youknow, And first of all, I'm

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glad she's doing better, but it'scrazy, man. And you know,
Dante, I'm not no big hyou know, hey, we got to
change the whole world because of climateray. I'm not one of those people,
you know. I do believe it. I do believe it's world,
but I don't think you can doanything about it. But there's clearly something
in the atmosphere that's going on that'sbringing on these you know, these things

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where you have people who are intheir twenties having strokes and stuff. And
we've seen like we've seen athletes likeeighteen year olds, nineteen year olds running
on the track and just drop die, you know what I mean, Like
it's I don't know, it's somethingthere's something going on out there that our

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parents didn't have to deal with.I put it like that. Yeah,
you know what's crazy, man,is I think we talk a lot about
you know, food not being naturaland preservatives and you know, diets are
not as healthy maybe as they oncewere. You know, God only knows
what they're putting in the foods andstuff like that. We see stuff like

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that. I think our generation andI think if you under the age of
like thirty five forty, you probablygetting less sun, right because people don't
go outside as much or right.I just I don't know at you know,
so you're getting less vitamins and stuffnaturally, your food is probably you
know, with different antibiotics and preservativesand steroids. I mean we you know,

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we don't even know what organic isanymore. Right, And then the
same you take and yeah, takethings. You know, we have a
living in a society now where everythingis so focused on mental health. But
in reality, man, people aremore depressed, more stressed than they've ever

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been, you know, And soto me, I just you know a
lot of people have these risk factors, but you don't really realize it until
something happens because it's your day today. Nor do you remember that story?
I think it was like a doyou remember that story? I think
it was like a was it likean eighteen year old or a nineteen year
old or something who was a hewas a athlete and I think he was

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running track or something and he justdropped dead. Yeah. Yeah, And
it's happening more and more and then, I mean, you know, back
in the day, man, youpeople, you know, you say you
smoke weed here and there. Imean even even just like smoking weed recreationally
is more it's more dangerous than everbecause you have no idea where it comes

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from unless you you know, unlessyou brought it from right, an actual
dispensary, write something, or it'smedicinal. But I mean, if you
just barbra and I'm not saying thatthat's what happened in this case, but
I'm just saying, like, justin general happened and you know, with
people under the age of thirty five. But I mean, you just well

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and not only that, like evenwith that example that you just used,
man, I don't know. Ithink we might have did a story years
ago on this. But you knowthere's been even like with the with the
stuff you go buy from the storeif you if you're a weed smoker,
like the THC, and some ofthat stuff is so high. They got

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issues in Colorado where these people goingcrazy, you know what I'm saying.
So it's just ain't nothing natural anymorethat we're dealing with. And then and
the stuff that is you got topay a million dollars to be able to
get it. Yeah, it's justit's just crazy. Man. Were living
in a in a in a crazyworld and a lot of these people getting

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getting even crazier. Man, Idon't know if y'all heard about what Klaus
Schwab, who runs the World EconomicForum with this dude said where he said
that, oh, we won't needelections anymore because everybody have a computer chip
implanted in their brain and we'll knowwhat y'all want already. What. That
guy's a super villain if there everwas, if there was ever a real
life Lex Luthor, it would behim. That guy's and somebody like,

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I don't, I don't want tosay that, but like that guy is
a real supervillain. The world isthat this guy he bruh, That's exactly
what I said on Twitter. I'mlike, he sounds like a comic book
yellain, Yeah, he's not agood person. Lock him up and throw
y. I'm a very hesitant personwhen it comes to conspiracies and stuff like

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that. But when then when yousee a guy like him talk and you
hear him with that accent, itreally makes you think, like, man,
what if some of the conspiracy guysare not all the way crazy?
Because this guy is a nut rightright, who would say something like that?
Just don't look But that's a wholethat's a whole nother time, we're
gonna and you know what, whatthat showed me to and people for people

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who like this kind of stuff,y'all love this, But that showed me.
When I first saw that clip,I'm like what, because, yeah,
I've heard about Klass, I've heardabout the World Economic Form, but
I ain't really paid that much attentionto it. But when I heard that,
I'm like, Okay, I needto do a deep dive. So
later on in one of these futureepisodes of the show, we are going
to do a deep dive on that. So y'all, y'all love that but
in the meantime, next m Sothe next topic is this one we all

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should know, as I brought upwhen we were off air, we all
should know how this goes because we'vehad it happen and just anyway, So,
concert goers sue Madonna for starting herNew York City show two hours late.
The lawsuit states that they had toget up early for work the next

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day. Now, I did seeyou know, comments and stuff of people
saying, well, if you knewyou had plans to go to a concert,
you're not supposed to, you know, schedule yourself where you don't have
to go to work the next day. But the thing is is, like
I get that you are a performer, but the thing is is that's your

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job. You're supposed to show upto your job on time. Two hours
late. These people are coming tosee you perform, and you have a
scheduled set time. Like this hashappened way too often with a lot of
artists shows that we've gone to,you know, to interview or just to
be present. You know, weget invited to events and stuff like that,

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and where it's where a lot ofartists have shown up an hour or
an hour and a half later,and it's like, Okay, what the
heck is going on? People aregetting rowdy, you know. I mean,
it's just it's the same thing ifwe go to work, our boss
is gonna be like you late,you know what I mean. So why
does it make them any different?Yeah, So two things on that,

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well three things. One I completelyagree. Two, it seems like there's
because some of these artists there's alack of respect for other people's time,
you know what I mean. IfI paid to see you, no,
I don't expect you to be outthere right at eight o'clock on the dot.
I know that, I know itdoesn't work like that, but two

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hours, you know, that's ridiculous. And then the third thing is,
well Robin was kind of alluding tois that we almost got into a melee
at a concert once. It wasso many people there, the performer was
late, people was getting rowdy,and then Robin was close to the stage

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trying to get in the head andeverything. Okay, people was getting it
away and all of this, andso after right after the concert was over.
Uh. CJ Cobb, who you'refamiliar with the show, you've heard
him on here before. CJ.Cobb was with us, and you know,
he's a former football player, talldude or whatever. And I'm like,

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hey, you see Robin. I'mlike, I'm like, grab her
and let's get the bleep outy climbedover the whole crowd grau, and we
got out of there because I'm like, man, it's about to get crazy
up beer now. Somebody rushed thestage that night. Remember that Robin,

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Oh, you mean the off brand, the dude who was dressed like Nelly
from back in the day. Yeah, he had the whole band aid under
his iron everything. Yeah, hethought like, well maybe if I look
like her, maybe I can getit. Yeah. No, that was
a disaster. So yeah, sono, we we understand how these things
go. So Dante, would youthis this is the one part I'm struggling

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with. So like, okay,and I guess it depends on how much
money I paid. So if theartist is two hours late, do you
stay in wait or do you leave? Well, I wouldn't know because,
as you guys know, the onlyevents that I go to like that where
I'm I'm paying for entertainment or sportingevents. I'm not going to a concert

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because of this very thing, right, And Plus y'all know I don't like
big crowds, So the sporting event, I ain't going. What's that magic
Johnson? Mean, I'm not gonnabe here, but but I do sympathy
because I could only imagine that.I mean that for me, Like in
my world, that would be like, you know, I'm going or I'm

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going to the Cavs game and it'ssupposed to start at eight o'clock, but
they don't start till you know,nine thirty or ten o'clock. And it's
a Wednesday, so suppose you knowwhat I mean, Like, yeah,
it cant like yeah, Like youcan say, well you had to go
to work in the morning, thatain't no right. But if I'm going
to a cash game, it's supposedto start at seven thirty, eight o'clock,

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Like I'm expecting to be out ofthere about ten thirty. I can
be home by eleven, you knowwhat I'm saying, Like that ain't no
big deal versus you know, youstarting at ten thirty when I thought,
you know, now I'm getting homeat one o'clock. You know, that's
totally different. So yeah, Iwould be I would be highly upset,
but it would be hard to leaveif I know, you know what I'm
saying, Like I paid this money, I'm gonna be I don't know,

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man, I'm that's tough. Idon't know. I'd because I absolutely and
what's what's his name? Big worm? Oh yeah? And with my money
is like playing with my emotions,Like stop playing with me. No,
I'd be furious. And then Idon't know if y'all ever if y'all ever

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went to when they used to havethis club called Peabodies back in the day,
right now, I only went tothese shows a couple of times because
of stuff like this when and Ithink this was I think this was right
before I started my radio station.So this was like two thousand and four
or five something like that, somethingaround there, right, And so I

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knew a dude that I had grewup with. He was rapping or whatever,
and they were supposed to be doinga show at pea Bodies, and
so we're like, all right,cool. So I came in like I
just started my label at the time, and I'm in my I'm in my
full hood the glory at the time. So we come in like ten deep,

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got a T shirt phone with logowarn and all the due rags on
and all of that, because it'sme two thousands, right, So we
roll up to this concert deep tosupport my dude. We had the concert,
it's hours before this dude show up. Before this dude gets on stage,
it's like four hours. Because whatpeabodies used to do is they would

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book a major artist and then booklike twenty independent artists that you never heard
of and make them pay to geton the stage. So they would be
like, all right, you getten you can you can perform at this
night that I don't know the diplomatsare, are there Cameron or something.

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You can perform on the same showas him, but you got to pay
us X amount of dollars and thenyou make your money back by reselling the
tickets. That was the model,that's how they used to do it.
But they would do that, theywould get that same thing to like twenty
people. So you end up withthis showed us like five hours long,

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and it was at the dude thatwe came there to see didn't get on
stage until the very end, likeeven after the headliner. I was like,
oh hell no, I'm like Inever do it. And the headliner
was late on top of that,so it was like a five hour night.
Wow, yeah my instinct, I'mlike, no, idea. I

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went to one more show after thatbecause they used to give us. They
used to give us free tickets.After I started my radio station, they
used to give us tickets to giveaway. So we would get the tickets
away or whatever and people would goand I went to one of the shows
or whatever after that. But thenone of the tickets that we gave away,

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the guy that we gave it awayto, he goes to the uh
he goes to see and I thinkit was a diplomat. He goes to
the door and prebody is. Theytry to charge him anyway, even though
he got a free ticket in hishand and they know it's a free ticket
and they know it's really on it. So after that, I was like,
no, I'm just cool. Soyou got yankie yankie promoters too that,
you know what I mean, tryto screw people. But it was

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Peabody's concerts were known to be likethat. It was like four and five
hours long, and if the andif the headliner was late, it was
even longer than that. It wasawful. So like people will start getting
rowdy like yeah, because they like, we're right, because they like,
where the hell is the person thatI paid to see it? Like,

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So I'm not a big concert personeither. I'm not completely anti them like
Dante is, but I'm not abig concert person either. I have to
say, I will say this.I've seen jay Z three times. It's
his concert was really good. Asa matter of fact, one of those
concerts I just didn't even say.I don't even know if you have permission

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to save this anymore. But Idid see him and R Kelly together when
they was doing when they was doingthe Actually it was right it was the
week before it fell apart, becauseyou know, jay Z and R Kelly
fell out in the middle of thattour. They was in Cleveland and then
they went from Cleveland to New Yorkand I think it was the New York

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show when they fell out. Sowe saw them right before they fell out.
But yeah, it was a goodconcert. I'm sorry, no get
back. My favorite type of concertsare actually more so like nineties R and
B because I mean, people aren'tthey aren't rowdy, and they aren't pushy.
Like I've been to a few ofthem. I've even gone to like
Drew Hill, Like it's not toobad, like going to their type of

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concerts, but when it's something that'smore you know, like Lady Gaga,
uh, you know jay Z,people tend to get really rowdy and you
know, like you remember those concertslike what a couple of years ago,
a couple of years ago where peoplewere getting trampled and stuff. You know,

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people were like bum rushing and stuff. So like that's yeah, so
like they got to take that intoconsideration. Like you know, some people
ain't got no patience first and foremost, Like yeah, I'll get mad,
but like there's people that will likego above and beyond uh just getting mad,

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you know what I mean. Solike they need to take that into
consideration. I just find it disrespectful, like to waste people's time, because
that's the one thing you don't getbad, like not waste my time,
especially if I'm paying to see you, right, And let's just let's let's
be honest. You wouldn't be nobodyif it wasn't for the people, the
people, if it wasn't for yourYeah, like you wouldn't have these concerts

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if it wasn't for the people that'scoming to see you absolutely no doubt.
Next, So the next one isgoing to be more so of a topic
for Darvo and Dante. But I'mbringing it up because that's love. But
so, the entire Sports Illustrated staffwas notified of a mass layoff following termination

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of the magazine's publishing agreements, andthey're basically I'm sorry. So they were
basically saying, like, is thisthe end of the Sports Illustration. So
first of all, I just wantto point out not that she said that

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like a like a true woman thatpays no attention to sports because she says
illustration. I'm a supportive woman.That's you know, I'm supportive. But
yeah, I mean this is it'sactually and Dane, Dante and I was
talking about this a little bit beforethe show starts. It's actually bad for
the culture. It's bad for andI mean the culture of the country.

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Sports Illustrated, even though quality haswent down a little bit in the last
few years, but Sports Illustrated hasbeen known as like a high quality journalistic
product, like it wasn't just forpeople who want to know how many catches
did so and so have at thefootball game yesterday, because you can you
can see that on one within twoseconds. Now, that's that's not the

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value of Sports Illustrated. The valueof Sports Illustrated is the quality of the
journalism that they bring in, thestories that they bring that you wouldn't know
of otherwise. And and I saythis as somebody who writes for a legacy
news outlet. You know what Imean. For those of you who don't
know I write, you know,I'm an opinion contributor at Newsweek and so

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or someone as someone who writes oneof those type of brands, because I've
viewed Sports Illustrated in that same vein, at that same level. It's a
legacy brand that has a history ofhigh quality journalism. I think it's bad
for the country. Now, granted, they may from what I read,
the owners may have another company.They may find another company to manage the

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brand so that it doesn't go away. But anytime you have a situation like
this, you have uncertainty, andwhen uncertainty creeps in, you have no
idea what's going to happen. Right, But it is. I think it's
an It's another example of the worldin which we live, Like people have
no idea what to trust, Theyhave no idea who to trust. They

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have no idea what a reliable sources, what aren't reliable sources. And just
frank, there's a lot of badjournalism out there, just period, you
know what I mean, Whether it'sin sports, whether it's in news,
whether it's in politics, whether it'sin any any form of news that you
can think of, from entertainment newsto political news. There is a lot

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of bad journalism out there. AndSports Illustrated and they've had their issues,
they've definitely had their issues, butthe brand, the value of the brand
has been a high quality journalism froma sports perspective, and anytime you lose
something like that, I think ithurts. I think it hurts the country.

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Tell your thoughs, Yeah, Imean so, I'll My perspective on
SI is as obviously all of youknow, a diehard sports fan and somebody
who really man. From the timethat I was probably six seven, I
wanted to be a sports writer.I wanted to be a sports writer and
then use that to become a sportsbroadcaster. My first three year or so

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years in college was due to wasme trying to I was in journalism school.
Basically, I put it to youthat way, like I wanted to
internships. Everything was geared around tryingto be a journalist, and so Sports
Illustrated was one of those legacy brandsthat I looked at as this is high
quality sports journalism, right, Ican trust this, I can read this,

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whether it was you know, PeterKing's Monday Morning Quarterback or you know
different you know, even a guylike Lee Jenkins who and this is just
this was right Lee Jenkins. Rememberwho Lebron went to when he broke the
story that I'm coming home, I'mcoming back to Cleveland. He he told

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that to Lee Jenkins. Lee Jenkinswrote that he's in Sports Illustrated. This
is twenty fourteen, So I meanthis is I mean not you know,
twenty fourteen is still almost well itis about ten years ago now, but
I mean that's how far we've comeso in you know, print media was
dying back then. So it's justsad. It's a sad day for somebody

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like me who at one point inmy life wanted to go down that path.
But it's also a heroin reminder too, as like, you know,
don't ever become a dinosaur or whateverbusiness you're in, right, So legacy
print media never wanted to adapt.They never wanted to adapt. It took
a long time for sports writers andcolonists to adapt to television, and then

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it took even longer for a lotof legacy media to adapt to the internet,
right, and even still today you'llsee a lot of print news it's
very clunky with how they manage paywallsand how their websites look out dated.
They never wanted to adapt. Andso, to steal a line from Evolution,
the wrestling branded the wrestling faction,evolution, you either adapt or you

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perish. And a lot of wesee a lot of what we would consider
trusted journalists, trusted journalism going bythe wayside, right when, like we
talked about off air, when's thelast time you read you sat down,
not watched, but sat down andread a really good investigative journalism piece.
It's been a long time, rightsports or otherwise, And so uh,

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you know, and then you know, we talk about we understand, right,
a lot of venture capital firms comein and they strip things down to
the studs and they just try toturn it around to make a profit,
which which doesn't help. And that'shappened with SI before as well. So
I mean, it's just a sadday for somebody like you know, for
somebody like me who you know,growing up, I can remember, you

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know, in two thousand and twoseeing Ohio, seeing the Ohio State having
beat Miami on the cover, andyou know, just being so happy because
you watch the game and then maybea couple of days later, you see,
you know, whether you're in thegrocery store or something, you see
Ohio State beating Miami. Right,it was I think it was like the
best damn team in the land,right because the Ohio State's band is the

(32:07):
best damn band. So you know, being like six or seven at the
time, it's like, man,this is great, right, that's that's
my favorite team on the cover.Or like Lebron when he was on on
the cover when he was in highschool, right with that famous Chosen One
picture where it was like wow,you know, he was like sixteen at
the time on the cover of Silewas a big deal. And then you
know, fast forward, like Isaid, in twenty fourteen, you know

(32:29):
the whole I'm coming home thing,which was crazy for the city of Cleveland.
Right, Lebron came back and wewon a championship. So I mean,
it's just been something to me toreflect all day on and just be
like wow, but you can,you know, you can see really where
print media went wrong in a lotof places, especially legacy print media.
And I want I think a lotof people thought that, you know,

(32:52):
they were invincible to the change,right. I think about another magazine,
like you know in Darby you're nota big box fan, but you know
Ring Magazine. You know, I'mnot right garbage right, But you didn't
you never adapted, right, Andso now when people talk about Ring Magazine,
it's always like, hey, rememberthat cover from the eighties, or
like remember when we did this interviewwith Marvin Hagler in eighty three. It's

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like, wow, you don't haveyou know, it's twenty twenty four.
Oh wow. You know, there'snever when you're talking about print media,
you're never looking forward. And sothat's just something from somebody who you know,
was very close to going down thatpath. It's like, you know,
a very fortunate that I didn't,and but b it's it's also kind

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of sad because you know, assomebody who liked to write and somebody who
came up in that and dark Iknow you agree like you, sometimes you
just miss being able to read goodgood journalism or yeah, or sometimes you
just miss being able to read likea like where's a good sports writer?
Or where's a good opinion piece?Right? It's political? Yeah, but
who writes a good column? Doesanybody write a good column today? Like

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what happened to that? So youknow, it's sad to me at least?
Well, and it's absolutely and likeI said, it's sad to me
too it and it hits even moreacutely because I write for a legacy media
outlet and everything that you said isthe things that I try to do in
my writing. And you know,I try to have that quality of writing

(34:20):
because you know, I went tocollege for this too, you know what
I mean. So you understand thevalue of it, You understand the importance
of it. And when people havethis conversation now about whether it's about misinformation
or disinformation or fake news or whatever, it's because people don't know who to
trust. Yep, you know whatI mean. Because there's a lot of
bad journalism out there. And theunfortunate thing with a lot of these legacy

(34:44):
media outlets is that, like yousaid, they didn't some of them didn't
keep up with the times, theydidn't adapt, and then some of them
also allowed the quality of their journalismto decline. Sports Illustrated itself has had
some issues with that absolutely over thelast few years, you know what I

(35:04):
mean. So the thing that peoplehave to understand and and I will say
this is just from knowing the knowingthe history, because news we had to
go through the transitions like that aswell. And they're profitable now, so
it's not impossible to be a printmedia outlet and be profitable, right.
But here's the thing. You can'tdo what everybody else does. And I

(35:29):
think a lot of the legacy mediaoutlets were so slow to adapt that.
Then when they tried, they justtried to be click farms like everybody else,
right, And that doesn't work becauseyou can get that from every from
anybody else. Right. What works, and this is this is some free
game for y'all who are listening,is high quality product because you can't get

(35:53):
that everywhere else. Right. Youcan get low grade blog work anywhere,
You can get that anywhere. Youcan get second rate commentary anywhere. But
stuff that makes you think, thoseare the things that make you successful.

(36:17):
Those are the things that make peoplewant to say, I want to read
this because I can't get it fromJoe blow sports site down the street.
One of the things that I respectabout The Athletic is that the Athletic has
tried to do that. There's thereason why they got bought recently by the

(36:42):
parent company of The New York Times, right because regardless of how you feel
about the opinions of The New YorkTimes, and they're slanted because they are
slanted, they are biased most ofthe time, they still have a high
quality of work. Yep, youknow what I mean. So the it's
we need I think in journalism ingeneral, in general, and this is

(37:07):
this is why I like the SportsIllustrated Conversation because I think it's a it's
a microcosm of the issues in journalismperiod. In journalism across the board,
there needs to be an increase ofthe level of quality of the product so
that you're actually learning something when youread these things. There's there are articles

(37:29):
that I have read that other peoplehave written who are not trying to produce
high quality work that I feel dumberfor having read. The artic. It's
like I feel dumb for reading this. You know what I mean, Like,
we need to raise the quality ofjournalism. And the only way that

(37:52):
that works is these legacy media outletshave to get their bleep together because regardless
of what anybody says, regardless ofwhat anybody says about these media outlets dying,
about these media outlets being dead,people still respect them. Oh yeah,
there's a certain cash with the namethat you know, there's a certain

(38:15):
cachet with the New York Times,with the walls you know in Sports,
Sports Illustrated. Yep, there wasa certain there's a certain cache that comes
with that, no doubt, nodoubt. I mean, I can tell
you personally. I know my writingcareer, which was just really a supplement

(38:37):
to my other media. Like Iwasn't a full time writer. I'm still
not a full time writer. Butmy writing career changed when I got to
Newsweek. Mm it matters. Itmatters. When I got to Newsweek and
I started writing articles in Newsweek,you started seeing real clear politics picking up

(39:00):
my articles. You started seeing stufflike that happening. That was how I
got before they started allowing you tobuy the blue checks. That's how I
got my blue checks at Twitter andInstagram was because I wrote for Newsweek.
Yeah, there's so there's still acertain level of cashet, like you said,

(39:22):
that comes from these legacy outlets.So at the end of the day,
it's important that these legacy outlets getit together because in certain corners of
the country, whether you agree withit or not, these are the only
outlets these people respect. It matters. It matters when CNN does something,
for example, right So that's whyit's not good that CNN is so bad

(39:45):
right now, That's why it's notgood that these that these legacy media outlets
are so bad and and and nobodytrusts them. That hurts the country.
When you don't have have the WalterCronkites, when you don't have a source

(40:05):
that people can trust and say,I know they telling me the truth.
That's how you get all this crazinessout here. And that's the same things
as sports and I say, younotice, and we'll close the segment on
this. How many times do athletescomplain about sports journalists? It's the same.
It's the same issue, no matterwhat the what, the what the

(40:30):
entity is, no matter what thegenre is, that's the word I'm looking
for. No matter what the genreis, it's the same problem bad journalists.
Yep. How many times have weheard athletes complain about that a bunch?
And now you know they're skipping thefourth of state altogether and doing it

(40:51):
themselves exactly on podcast their own shows. Right, they don't, they don't
need them no more. But inreality, I think you do because I
think like when I talk about youknow, Lebron's letter to Cleveland when he
was coming back home. You know, as you know, Lebron can can
speak his mind and stuff like that, but it's always nice to have a

(41:12):
trained writer to be able to talk, right, And that Lee Jenkins wrote
I'm coming home piece it was itwrote it read like a love letter to
northeast Ohio. It was beautiful.It's amazing. It's like, yeah,
you can do a podcast and justsay yeah, I'm on my way back,
like, but it's something about that, you know that print form,

(41:34):
even though you know that was online, but it's something about that. It's
like, these words jump off thepage because this is a really good writer
telling your story exactly. And notonly that well, and not only that,
and and we'll cause that this becauseI want to get your opinion on
this. Not only that, buta lot of times, you know,
when the athletes started doing their ownmedia content that that itself causes its own

(42:00):
issues sometimes, So like how manytimes has it been an issue where like
Draymond is playing a game and thenhe goes right from the game to his
podcasts and people and people start askingquestions, well, did you really care
that much about the game or doyou care more about podcast? So that
that rate that causes even more issues. Yeah, it's a yeah, and

(42:23):
I think there's some good in thatso that these guys can get straight,
you know, can get their pointacross. But then you know, it
does some harm too, and Idon't think you know, it's it's just
a sad day for somebody who grewup actually, you know, really like
us, we cared about this professiona lot, right, right, and
it's just a it's like wow,man, you really see the times change.

(42:44):
And unfortunately a lot of these legacycompanies decided that they you know,
I don't think they realized in amoment right like this, it could either
be your downfall or it it couldbe a detriment, right or you know,
it could be your downfall or itcould be to your benefit. I
mean right. You need to youneed to get on this ship because you
know, the Internet was coming nomatter what. Yep, that's right,

(43:07):
was coming, right, So youcan either adapt with it or you can
die. And unfortunately they died right. And and this is the last thing
I'll say on this, and thisis the issue that we see though,
is the Internet has been a giftand a curse. Right. The gift
is that anybody can get access.The curse is that anybody can get access.

(43:31):
So you'll have you know, showslike ours, for example, where
you know elected officials listen to theshow, like people who make this who
make decisions in power listen to thisshow as well as the everyday person.
That's the kind of quality of productwe put out there, right, People

(43:55):
know we have intelligent conversations about thingsthat matter every every show. Don't do
that though. It's a lot ofstupid shows out there doing stupid stuff and
just chasing drama and clicks and andtrafficking in all of this nonsense that's hurting

(44:21):
the the climate and hurting the qualityof our conversations. And so that's the
benefit and the drawback of the Internet. The benefits of the Internet is that
y'all get to hear people like us. You get to we get to get
access. But the drawback is peoplewho are just trying to manipulate you for
profit get access as well. Andand so it's unfortunate, man, It's

(44:47):
just it's it's not good. Thesecompanies got to figure this out. They
got to figure this stuff out.They got to figure these things out,
like like Newsweek did. I'm notjust using that because I'm there, but
i mean, go look it upup their history. They had hard times
too, they had troubles too,and they figured it out. You got
to figure this this out because weneed we need high quality journalism. We

(45:13):
need those brands that people used totrust and we need them to trust.
We need people to be able totrust them again. People got to know
where to go. All right,stay tuned. We have Dante's Hot Taks
coming up next here on the Outlaws. These days, it seems like everybody's
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(45:35):
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time to show that we like tocall it Dante's Hot takes, telling the

(46:28):
truth. Whether you like it ornot, it's Dante's Hot Takes on the
out Lawns Radio show. Well,vivek Ramswami, after a very poor performance
in Iowa, decided to suspend hiscampaign this week and within what will we

(46:53):
say, twenty four hours, twelveto twenty four hours, he was stumping
hard for Trump. That's to beyou know, that wasn't unexpected. We
understood right that he was essentially justtrying to be an Indian version of Trump.
I guess you could say discount Trump. He would appreciate that joke,

(47:13):
you know that. You know he'stold some seven eleven jokes and we won't
do that. But he he rana very cringe campaign, I would say
throughout. But one thing that reallystood out to me was there were some
focus groups in Iowa that this isjust funny to really process. There were

(47:36):
some focus groups in Iowa that werecaught and several people came out and said
things like I didn't feel comfortable withhim because of his skin tone, or
I didn't feel comfortable based on hislast name. Another guy said, I
can't pronounce his last name. Anotherperson, a woman, said, how
do we know that he has noconnection to nine to eleven? Right?

(48:00):
And to me, I just foundthe irony to be sort of funny in
this that vivec ran a very Hebrushed up with racism multiple times. He
ran a campaign that was so focusedon anti woke and uh really brown nosing

(48:27):
a lot of some of the fringeparts of the magabase that we've talked about
on the show that make us veryuncomfortable. So it's just funny to me
that after all of that, thatpart of the reason why he performed so
poorly was because those same people thathe was brown nosing trying to cozy up

(48:52):
to don't even realize that he's notMiddle Eastern. They had no idea.
They saw him as basically and youknow, this is a joke, they
saw him as just another you knowwhat. So for us, I mean,

(49:13):
you know, he he came onthe show, and I to this
day, I still will say Irespect the fact that he came into the
lions Den and did our show.I respect that there are some other candidates
who did not. But I guesswe'll talk about that later on a different
show. But yeah, I justyou know, I to me, I

(49:37):
thought that there was a lot ofirony in that, and I thought that
his statement immediately afterwards saying, howyou know, it was kind of hurtful
to find that out, and hewas sort of taken aback and surprised by
it. And my only thing iswhy you spent the last twelve months sort
of kissing up to these people?Right? You spent the better part of

(50:00):
your campaign pretending as though you aren'ta minority, as though people wouldn't see
you as what you are, aminority who is going to draw some higher
from the very people who you need, some not all some, So you

(50:22):
know, don't forget who you are. Man. You you can you can
play to a base, you canstand on your principles. But a lot
of his stick to me, feltcartoonish, and I think people saw right
through and I think that was youknow that along with you know, some
of the things that we heard comeout of some of those focus groups from
the from the caucing sessions in Iowaplayed a big part of his demise.

(50:47):
Yeah, you know, I tweetedabout this, like, that's the thing
about racism is when you're a minority, no matter how much you try to
pretend that racism doesn't exist or it'snot impactful, real racist will show you
otherwise. Because at the end ofthe day, and I felt like that

(51:14):
when he accepted the endorsement of formerRep. Steve King, who is an
open bigot. The thing that youdon't realize no matter how cool you are
with them or how cool you tryto be with them, that ain't gonna
make them like you. If they'reracist. If they're racist, they just

(51:37):
all they see is your brown skin. And so having someone who is here
because their family came to the countryas a result of the opening of the

(52:00):
immigration laws, which happened as aresult of the Civil Rights Act, well
with the Civil rights movement. Excuseme. The Civil Rights Act was in
sixty four. The opening of theimmigration laws happened in sixty five, the
year after. It was all partof that same wave. So it's almost

(52:20):
like, you know, Nikki Haleyto come here as a result of benefiting
from the things that black people havesacrificed for, and then the slap in
the face when you get here orwhen you when or your child slaps him
in the face, that's the issue. But sometimes you have to have a

(52:42):
wake up call. He is,what thirty eight, he's a year older
than me, and he's you knowthat that is extremely young in politics,
right in the political world. Imean were about to were about to choose
between two eighty year olds. Soso thirty eight is that's a baby in

(53:04):
in the political world. And Ithink, I don't know how much exposure
he's handling these issues that maybe hereally believes that, oh well, it's
not a problem. Look at me, you know, A lot of people
get caught up in that. Whenyou've had a certain level of success as
a minority, you say, oh, well, this can't be a problem.
Look at me, Look at howI'm doing, Look at I'm benefiting,

(53:25):
you know what I mean. Like, but then you get that real
wake up call, right yeah,where they think they like, I'm not
going for you because I don't likeyour last name and I think you an
Arab, Right, yeah, that'sthat's racist, my brother. And here's
the thing what people used to understand, like, for example, Nikki Hayley's

(53:51):
parents who benefited from black people whenthey came here. Her father came here
to work at an HBCU. Justfor the record, what that generation used
to understand and what the generations afterthem, what many of them seem to
not understand, is you better sticktogether because a racist is a racist is

(54:16):
a racist. If they don't likeblack people, they probably don't like brown
people either. If they're suspicious ofus, most of the time, they're
suspicious of you. Two. Youare a brown skin Hindu with a funny
lasses exactly. People who are racistgonna have a problem with that. And

(54:39):
now he got to see and Idon't know how much. Because I didn't
see that statement Dante that you reference. I don't know how much. It's
a really has sunk to him,like if he's really had the epiphany or
not. But like, racism costyou votes no matter what you did,

(55:02):
no matter how comfortable you try tomake those people feel. They chose not
to vote for you out of racism. So maybe this is the first time.
This might be the first time inthe next life that he has lost
something because of who he is.Maybe he's never felt that way before.

(55:29):
Maybe this has never happened before tohim. Wake up, be right.
I tried. I tried to dancearound that earlier. You know that that
you know still a blank, butyou know, wake up. They all

(55:50):
the look, we're all in thesame boat. Brother. At the end
of the day, a racist isa racist man. And so I hope
this is a wake up Carse.I hope it is. Let him.
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