Ep. 401 - Greater Cleveland Film Commission CEO Bill Garvey talks film tax credit, local jobs and more

Bill Garvey, CEO of the Greater Cleveland Film Commission, joins the show to talk about the latest updates in the entertainment industry, jobs available for locals and more. Also on the show, Robin talks about her "going viral" experience and more.

Episode Transcript

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Darth yod King Baymorrow alongside Robin O'Malleyand Donte Brian. Don't forget too Like
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Twitter or x and Instagram at theOutlaws Radio. We have a very special
interview that we're gonna get to,uh and just a little bit, but
first a couple of little pieces ofhouse cleaving before go to my co hosts.
First of all, some of youmay be aware of the fact that

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this show went viral again from thelast episode from the story that Robie told
about what was going on with herdaughter at a local hospital, and I
mean the story went international. Likefirst of all, right, now,

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the clip from that episode is atone hundred and fifteen thousand views, on
Twitter slash x. Also, thestory was covered in the Daily Mail in
the UK. It was also coveredin the Daily Telegraph out of Australia,

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and there was an outlet I believein Quebec, Canada that covered it as
well, which is crazy. Wehit the Apple, we hit the Apple
podcast charts, and I'm sure thatyou know O'Malley had something to do with
that. So shout out to shoutout to the higher than listeners. We

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absolutely appreciate it. So yeah,it's been uh, it's been crazy.
It's been a crazy few days becauseagain the show came out. We're taking
this on a Friday. It cameout last Saturday, so it hasn't even
been seven days. Hasn't been sevendays yet, and you know, in
less than a week, one hundredand fifteen thousand views on on Twitter and

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coveraging the Daily Mail and the DailyTelegraphs and all the other places that it's
had, so mess oballely, you'vehad a week. Yes, it's definitely
been quite the ride. It's definitelybeen quite the ride. It's been up
and down, up and down.And yeah, receiving that news was insane,

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and you know, with that goingviral and whatnot we have had.
I have had a lot of positivemessages, people supporting me and just telling
their story, and I am gratefulto even be in this place where I
can give people that spot to beable to be comfortable enough to speak on

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their story. I've also had alot of not so nice comments where people
said, you know, calling mea bad mom and all kinds of things,
and it was a little triggering.But you know what one thing I
can say is the bad comments,you know, they're they're actually also helping

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that clip go viral. So shoutout to you haters, I appreciate.
Yeah, if I tell you,no, being worried about they don't matter.
But the good thing is that therewere more way more positive comments than
negative, and really thinking that thereare people who are like, hey,

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this has happened to me, orthis just happened to my kid, and
you know, I felt like Icouldn't say anything about it. I think
like that was probably the most impactfulthing. That it was almost like you
gave a voice to those to thosemoms who had been in those similar situations
and didn't really know what to do. I agree, Yeah, there's I

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mean, and one thing I dowant to say is that I've had a
couple of people say to me thatit's more so girls than boys that's getting
asked those questions, which is itmakes it even worse. That is absolutely
bizarre to me. They need toget that together, right, absolutely,

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and U hopefully they'll get it togetherbecause you didn't say who the hospital was,
but we know who the hospital was, so uh that hospital, and
I'm sure they may have a representativeor two listening at this point. You
probably want to get your stuff together. Just a suggestion. Dante walking back,

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sir, we're back. We wereback. It took you a minute
come back. You had to micmut it. I had to mic mut
it. Yeah, we uh wemiss a lot. Man, it's been
a week, I see, butuh, you know, I like calm
and stable, so I'll pass onthe week that Robin half for sure like

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he was like in my he waslike in Miami when all this stuff broke
out, We was looking for yourass. I think probably should have named
the hospital personally, but that's justI told her. I understand why why
she didn't at the time, probablyin hindsight, if she hadn't known the

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story was gonna get this big.She probably would have she would have reconsidered
that. Well, she got someconversations, she got to have first let
her Yeah, yeah, yeah,you know, we'll see if we have
to do that. But you knowI told her, I was like,
man, like, if you hadto say the name of the hospital,

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man, it would have been abunch of suburban moms with picket signs and
all that protested that in the frontof that door in that hospital, man.
Because these moms when that story dropped, these moms were up set.
Hey with some dads too, somedads too. Oh absolutely, yeah,

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I know some dads had to beupset because I know I would have been
if I had what Oh could youimagine? No, you spent all that
time cultivating this with your child andand trying to keep your child's innocence,
and the doctor said what what howdo you respond in that situationation? What

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would you do? Thank God,we hopefully we will never find out.
I don't want to know. Ireally don't. I know I would be
I would be furious, though,Oh my god, oh my god,
I would be. My daughter hadlooked at them and she goes, yo,
like you really said that? Yo. She was like what. And

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I'm just like, yeah, don'tworry about it, that's for sure.
But now it's just like it's crazybecause and Robin, I think you mentioned
this on the show. You know, she got about having like a tablet
and all of that. But nowyou got to make sure you got the
kids safe, the kid proof stufffor all of that. You gotta put
everything saying on the air so theyhad a wandering mind, don't get curious

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and start looking at stuff, lookingup stuff, staying on a business looking
at you gotta have all the filtersand all that stuff, you know,
And it's already yeah that, andit's like it's already, it's already crazy
because these kids, now you know, they have this, They have the
Internet right in the palm of theirhands, you know, YouTube for example,

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and so a lot of the timeswhere you have to be like,
hey, yo, you can't watchthat or don't watch that. So now
you have to put the parental controlon there because people tend to target these
kids with these so called children typeof videos, and so they'll make it
out to be like it's for kids, Like they'll act out scenes and stuff

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of the sort. So it's likeyou already have to protect them from things
like that. And then when yougo to a place like a hospital where
you're you're thinking that they're going tothey're there to care for your child and
protect your child type of thing,and it's like, dang, you just
like why I don't understand why they'retrying to sexualize these children. It just

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don't make no sense to me.Like I've seen, you know, one
clip or think something on TikTok whereit said that one doctor was saying that
it's okay, like as of nineyear olds are safe to can safely carry
for a pregnancy, and it's likewhat, like have you lost your mind?

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Why having that conversation? Like theystill climb in your bed and mommy,
I don't feel good, And mommy, can I have a hug?
And you know, can I goto a splash pad? Like what No,
that's what they come on. Now, come on, have some common
sense, like y'all don't smack yourdamn head looking looking with suspicion that every

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little boy as already do already dolisten, since both my kids were little,
like I've had you know, I'vealready had other kids and other people.
I'm already very cautious like that withmy kids. But like I said,
she's already not She's already bigger thanan average ten year old, so

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I have to already be like ifshe has a bathing suit on, No,
you have to wear shorts and youhave to wear a shirt. You
gotta be covered. I don't liketo take her into public, you know,
and her just be exposed like that, because there's already there's a lot
of sick individuals out here, andto take a child to a hospital,
you wouldn't even expect them to besick individuals as well. Right, Yeah,

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no, that was wild. Thatwas wild. So if y'all are
not aware of the story, youmust be living under a rock. But
first go listen to last week's episode. That will catch you up. Also,
we have the Daily Mail article onon Outlaws page on Twitter slash x

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at the Outlaws Radio, so justgo to the social media account and you'll
see it. All right. Sowe have a special interview that we'll get
to right now. All right,we have a very special guest on the
show today. He is the CEOof the Greater Cleveland Film Commission, Bill

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Garvey. Welcome back, How areyou doing sir good, are you good?
Good? So it's been a whilesince we talked. There's so many
things to catch up on. Firstfor people who may not be aware.
Catch people up on what has happenedwith the tax credit. Well, we
were successful in getting the program thatis the basis on which all this production

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comes to Ohio to increase by almostdoubles. So it expanded by eighty seven,
so we're up to five million ayear and that's basically a thirty percent
rebate that production comes when it comesto Ohio and gets to create jobs here.
So what that translates to is alot more work, a lot more

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jobs, a lot more investment intosmall businesses for the entire state. And
we've been very fortunate that we've beenable to secure about sixty seventy percent of
that work to come to Northeast Ohioon average every year, and this year
we were able to book one hundredand forty seven just over one hundred and
forty seven million dollars worth of totalproduction budget to choose Northeast. So really

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exciting time to be in this businessin Northeast Ohio. But it also means
that we need to coach up somenew talent, new blood to come into
this business because there are jobs,you know, and there's existence better and
crew that takes these jobs. Butwe need more so get the word out
that there's more opportunity than ever inNortheast go high. Okay, you know

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what, let's uh, let's diga little bit more into that. I
have a question for you on basicallyhow they the climate and the environment has
changed since that taxing, since thetax credit went up, But we'll get
to that in the second. Iwant to really spend some time on what
you just said, because obviously that'simportant. Talk about what what is the

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need? What exactly is the needas far as the workforce is concerned,
now that we have this increase ofthe tax credit and these influx of projects,
what what's the need? Right?So on any average project, there's
you know, one hundred people,two hundred people, three hundred people working
on that. Right. So eachmovie that comes, each TV show,

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that means opportunity for locals because there'san incentive for producers to hire local,
right it costs more money to bringin their talent rather than to hire all
the folks that are right here inthe spot where they're already. So what
that means is, you know,we've really dug into workforce development training and

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we offer a lot of free resourceson our website cicil dot com to train
up on the basic skills that youneed to get these jobs. So the
correction assistant is the first job thatall of us in the movie business UH
entered the business through. And youknow, learning the paperwork and the scheduling
and the budgeting involved in putting thebuilding blocks of a movie together. That's

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the big foundation on which you builda career in this business. So you
know, it's amazing, like,yes, you need to know what the
camera does and have it composed ashot, but ultimately your first job isn't
based on that, it's based onpaper. It is a business. So
going forward, if we expanded thecapacity to to attract this business by double,

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that means that we need double thecrew for these jobs. So a
big, big need in the nextyear. We have some high profile jobs
coming, but many more you know, run of the mill jobs, and
it takes all comus, all kindsof production we want coming here. We
want to support local filmmaking as wellas the big stuff. It runs the

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gamut and you know, just likeyou know anybody else get in this business.
I didn't know anybody. I didn'thave an uncle willing to hire me,
and that was a producer. Ihad to get in on the ground
level and work my way up theranks. And that's what we want to
provide a catholate for locals. Socheck out our resource page on bingfilm dot

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com. Also coming up presses runninga workshop Approaching System Workshop June seventh for
the ninth a really good program,low cost where they're teaching that work as
well all the paperwork involvement in themovie business. But ultimately we want more
people going into this industry creating careerout of it because it's an industry that's

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more than doubled in the amount ofmoney spent every year. You see movies
around the world and at that time, you know where there's two hundred and
forty three billion dollars being spent tomake movies every year. We want as
much of that coming year, andnow we have more capacity to grow that.
So that's an opportunity to want everybody. All right, So, so

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talk a little bit about what you'veseen since the since the tax credit increase,
the growth of the projects, moreprojects wanting to look at Cleveland,
people who might have been interested toshoot there before, but the tax credit
will be would run out and theywouldn't be able to talk a little bit

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about the change that you've seen inthe industry locally. Since that tax credit
is increased, well, it's justabout to increase. It hasn't actually so
July versus when it doesn't, sowe haven't experienced that growth yet. That
one hundred and forty seven million intotal production budget booked is with the old
CAP, so we're actually talking abouteven more once the new PAP goes into

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play. Wow. But over thelast couple of years we've lost two hundred
and eighty nine million dollars worth ofproduction budget that actually applies protect Centerve and
doesn't get it because we've run outof CAP. So now we have more
of a capacity to accept more applicants, you know. So this is a
business that is growing. Obviously,the streaming wars have led to more spending

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on production and more of a willingnessto go to new new production states like
Ohio, and that that's why ourindustry has grown. That's why there's three
hundred productions filmed here over the lastfifteen years of the Texas On program.
So you know, it's a goodtime. It's the sciting time to be
part of this, and you knowit's a good time to you know,

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be providing these opportunities and this trainand I go back to the training because
it's not that you necessarily have tohave a master's degree to get into this
business. You know, it's anold school apprenticeship type business. So there's
a lot of good education going onto train towards these jobs. CSU Film
School is doing great work, thePrice is doing great work. There's all

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the colleges that are tangentially training onthe type of skill sets that goes into
this business, like CIA and traininggraphic design kind of stuff. Kent State
has a good program. Their sounddesign is an amazing program there. You
know, Ball the Wells Great PerformingArts School. So a lot of these
schools are training on this. Butthen we're also you know, kind of

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connecting that with potential opportunity with ourtraining as well on corruption assistant training,
screenplay writers' workshops. We just didan art department workshop last fall, so
all these specialty departments, you know, we try to connect people with opportunities
there and training that will go intoa crew and then ultimately all these jobs

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they're you know, eighty percent ofthe business our union jobs. So union
you know, translates to pension andhealthcare, and there's not too many any
industries that have a pension in healthcare, but this is definitely one of them.
And not only that, the unionwages are pretty good. So your
base rate in any one of theseunion and this is the lowest level base
rate, this is your starting salary. It's thirty dollars and thirty seven cents

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an hour. So that's a prettygood starting salary without any experience in the
business. And then once you youknow, get some experience, you're you're
graduating to forty forty dollars an hour. It's pretty good work. We're talking
about Bill Garvue's CEO of the GreaterCleveland Film Commission. And obviously I know
that there are some projects that youcan't discuss, but of the ones that

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you can tell us a little bitabout what's what's shooting or what has what
has already shot here recently in thearea, su well, there's a you
know, there's a car I cansay there's a highst car chase movie that
is currently filming in Cleveland and that'sbeen around town for the last couple of

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months and they're going to be finishingup early in June. And then there
is another high profile project rolling inright right there in June as well.
That is significant. Many people knowwhat I'm talking about. I can't say
the name because we sign an NDA, but behind that, you know,

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there were eleven projects all together approvedfor text Centiment, including those two,
so you know, another nine projectsbehind those, and then the new round
of applications are coming in. Thewindow closes June first, so we'll have
another round of applicants approved right afterthat. So you know, we're sitting

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in a good time here, alot of high profile work filming and people
working. So you know, it'sgreat to have this after the SAG and
writer skilled strikes last year, youknow, where people were struggling, it's
nice to have work finally coming backand people you know, being able to
support their families right right absolutely,And I know one of the things that's

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been discussed any industry in the inthe city for quite some time is you
know, moving to the next phaseand about you know, sound stages and
things like that. Have we arewe any closer to getting a sound stage
in Greater Cleveland. Well, wedo have sound stages, you know,
so school Yard Studios is established inBurton and tier G has a sound stage

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and doing camera at all. Youknow, so there are sound stages.
But you know, if we're talkingabout like Trillif type sound stages, Pine
Crest, Pinewood type sound stages,you know that that comes when you have
a higher cap So you know,Atlanta Georgia has two point two million square
feet of sound stage space because theyhave an unlimited production incentive, right,

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and that that follows the production incentive. So when you grow the tax center
for production, then you get moreproduction sound stage growth. So you know,
hopefully we will see more of that, but it isn't a building.
They will come kind of business,right, It's all driven by production tax
and center. And that also kindof goes into the next question you brought

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up Georgia, which is exactly whereI was going to go. What what
do we need to do to bemore to be even more competitive with them?
I mean, we're our projects areincreasing, the tax incentive is going
in a good direction, but We'veall seen what this what this business has
done to the state of Georgia.So how do we how do we become

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moreive? What do we need todo to be more competitive with Georgia.
Yeah, I mean it's it's aboutthe cap. You know, they don't
have one. We do, souh, you know, I think if
we had an uncapped tax centive,we would be every bit as busy as
Georgia. It comes down, andGeorgia didn't start out with the industry it

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has now it grew over a decadenow it's going into two decades. You
know, they have ninety three thousandpeople that work and you know, live
in Georgia just in this business.So it's it's a long way for us
to get to that point, andI have every intention of working hard towards
that goal. You know, raisingthe cap is definitely something we're still pursuing

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and we haven't given up on that. We are happy that it's gone up,
but we do see the potential formore growth and it's all it starts
and finishes with the productional centerve cap. And I know, I know you
guys have had obviously conversations with electedofficials and things like that and some of

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them listening to this show, sohopefully this will help a little bit.
But what has the appetite then whenyou talk to some of the elected officials
about potentially, you know, continuingto increase maybe one day getting to an
untapped incentive. I would think thatthey've obviously seen the growth. They wouldn't

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have increased the tax credit this timeif they didn't believe that this thing could
continue to grow. So what hasthe appetite then when you when you go
down to Columbus and things like that. Well, you know, fortunately,
economic development and jobs are not abipart are not a partisan issue, right,
so everybody can get behind those twogoals. And you know, we
have various levels of support for anincrease in the accentive. I will put

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it this way. It's not somethingthat we're giving up on conversations all the
time about this, legislations, legislators. So we're working hard at it and
hopefully we'll have some products on thatat some point in the next year or
so. Absolutely so, as ofright now, even before we get to

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that you talked about, you know, we've seen what an uncapped incentive looks
like for all the people that havebeen employed in Georgia, but even in
Ohio and in Greater Cleveland right now, with the incentive that we have,
how many people have been or arecurrently employed by by this industry. I

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mean it, It has been growingexponentially, and I think sometimes people don't
really consider and think about it inthe same vein as we think about like
the healthcare industry or the education industryor some of the other industries that we
know where people work at here inGreater Cleveland. So talk a little bit
about the jobs that have already beencreated from this industry. Yeah, there's

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just under seven thousand full time equivalentjobs in this industry. Obviously the healthcare
industry is much larger. But thething I always say about it, and
it's a living you know. Look, I come from this industry having worked
directly in production for twenty six years, and half of that time right here
in Ohio, work outside of Ohiofor those fifteen years. It's an industry

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that pays more than than most otherindustries. So, you know, I
always argued it's a freelance industry.So a lot of people are turned off
by that, But in my mind, what's more important getting your paycheck from
one company or getting twenty different Wtwos at the end of the year and
then making more money than the personworking at that just one company. You

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know, I think it's a highpaying career. It's a six figure salary
for people with experience, and it'sa clear that has a punch still,
So, you know, we didn'treally there's not much of a discount for
living and working in this industry inOhio. We get basically the same rate
that we get in LA and NewYork. I certainly did, you know,

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I don't know how I did itback in New York because it's a
lot more expensive to live there andthe money goes a lot farther here.
So I think it's a career thatis made to succeed in Ohio. And
it's also an industry that works witha lot of small business So you know,
why does it cost so much moneyto make the movie? Well,
you're doing a lot. It's avery ambitious project. You're employing hundreds of

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people and working with hundreds of localsmall businesses. So all these small businesses
that aren't in the movie business getto participate in this economy as vendors to
the movie Business Bucomo. Bill Garvue'sCEO the Greater Cleveland Film Commission, And
one thing that I've noticed, particularlysince you've become CEO, is the Film

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Commission has had a much better relationshipwith the local UH filmmakers, local producers,
local UH entertainment companies. Has thatbeen something that UH was intentional or
was that just an evolution of justthe changing in dynamics, Because it's definitely

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something that has been noticeable, becausethat was one of the complaints about the
Commission prior to you being CEO isthat it was kind of insular and only
you know, there was this perceptionthat it only really cared about the big
guys and didn't care about everybody else. So was that something that you intentionally
wanted to kind of open the doorsor did it just kind of evolve over

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time? Well, I always saythat, you know, it has to
be, you know, an allinclusive kind of film mission. You know,
yes, big budget tent pole pictures, get the Spotlight, Shun and
Ohio, that Peyton that you know, mixed studios and producers pay attention to
us. So we do need anelement of that, but we also need
to grow talent from within and thesupportive of local filmmaking because you know,

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that's where our meat and potatoes is. You know, that's where everybody starts.
That's where most people make their living. And it's an ecosystem where I
may living not just on the bigten coole action adventure movies, but also
working on you know, smaller projectswith local production on commercials. You know,
runs the gamut. So it's anecosystem, and for that ecosystem to

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be healthy, it has to beall inclusive. You know, I will
say this, it's not my predecessorsdid a good job. You know,
I'm not going to disparage anything thatthey've done. I just hope that we're
being supportive and intentional about communicating thatto everybody. And I will say this,
there's still people that you think thatwe're not out for the low.

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Well, I keep on building outresources hopefully, hopefully people are taking advantage
of them on our website to goafter funding for you know, local filmmakers,
because we do we are supportive ofthem. We do want to engage
with people. We want to growthis industry and we want everybody to succeeding,
not just big ten pole action andadventure movies we want everybody, right,

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absolutely, And yeah, we've we'vetalked about you know, movies that
that's been shooting in a lot oftimes. I think the industry is obviously
associated with movie projects, But whatabout TV? Have we seen an increase
of TV projects shooting here? Isthat something else that we want to kind

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of target because obviously, you know, it's longer period time, more episodes,
maybe more people can get hired andstuff like that. Absolutely, yeah,
I mean that that's absolutely a focus. We want TV here because TV
is longevity and stipilp and it's evenbuilt into the tax center because of that.
Because once you get episodic and itand it's constant, then you create

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ecosystem of people working and getting trainedup in that ecosystem. And I you
know, the first part of mycareer was all TV. I've worked on
fall TV shows over my lifetime,so I know how how great it can
be at churning out like at schoolin itself, turning out new crew.
So yes, we're pursuing that partof you know, the problem back before

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the cap increase was the cap.You know, it's hard to generate TV
shows when you don't have enough capto support the TV show. So now
that we do, I have everyintention of getting TV to come and I
think we've all you know, again, this is just starting toly first,
so you know, it might takea cycle or two before we get it,

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but we are going to get absolutely. We're talking with Bill Garvu's CEO
the Greater Cleveland Film Commission, andas we start to wind down here,
talk a little bit about what yourexperience has been like since becoming CEO and
film commission. What's been some ofthe things that you've that you've enjoyed seeing

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in this industry? What is whathas the experience been like since you've become
you know, the CEO of somethingthat's really important for this region and for
the growth of the region. Yeah. I like honestly, the thing I
like most about my job is helpingpeople and you know, seeing things come
together and worked out for folks.Obviously in production that's a very very high

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paying job. I took a pickcockto take this job, but you know
it had its own merits. Ilike it on this side, just being
able to help people, being ableto you know, teach people and train
people, provide opportunities and get morepeople engaged in this get the awareness out
there, you know, trying tohonestly, there's so much to like about

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Northeast Ohio, and I love beinga cheerleader for this region and trying to
shun a spotlight on it so thatmore people know how great this place is.
You know, It's a really goodplatform for that, and hopefully,
you know, it'll be a long, long serving and very lucrative for everybody

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process over the next decade or sogrowing this industry. So it's a great
opportunity. I'm really happy to bein this job and hopefully we'll all grow
together. Absolutely. And so forpeople who may be listening, if there's
a decision maker, sell them onwhy they should shoot not only in Ohio,

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but in Cleveland. Why should theydo their project in this region.
What advantages do we have versus someof our competitors. Well, I call
it a filmmaker shiner law. Youknow, I've been a location scout all
over the Northeast. I've worked ineight different states, in hundreds of cities,

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and only when I got here didI find the perfect perfect place to
make up with me. It reallyis logistically and esthetically it has this great
chameleon ability to represent any city itneeds to be, and it runs the
gamut, even the topography. Youknow. We have that range that not

(34:19):
every place I've been has, soyou can really do a lot here,
a lot of unexpected. And thething is, you know a lot of
people don't have any idea of whatOhio is, even now in La you
know. I take meetings with folksand they just they don't really know anything
about life. So it's a blankslate and kind of illuminating. Hey,

(34:40):
this is the range, this isthe possibilities here. It's far more than
a rust bell, you know.And that's maybe if they have any impression
it's it's only rustbelt old city,right. We got so much more going
out here, you know. AndI always love doing this trick, you
know. And I've scouted over theyears, and I have a database of
of scout files that I carry aroundwith me on my computer, and I

(35:02):
whip out the computer and say,hey, you got a desert story,
and then I show them. Ishow them a quarry that we have here
locally that you swear as a dessertdesert. It looks like a desert three
sixty everywhere you look it's a desertand it's right here in Cleveland, so
you know, we really have thisrange that you don't find in too many

(35:23):
spots. And then we have thelogious so it's not as dense a city
as other cities. So you know, we have the parking, we have
the ease of movement that you don'thave in other places. It really is
much easier and much more efficient tomake movies here. And I know because
I've lived in so I speak fromexperience. So it really is an easy

(35:47):
sell, which it's great to havethat, you know, that in my
toolbox to be able to sell thecity two new people that haven't been here
before, because it really does lookgreat on film. It's easy to film,
so not a not a hard jobin that respect, right right,
And before we close, I definitelywant to circle back on this because it's

(36:12):
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sure that people heard it. Forpeople who want to get in this industry,
what do they need to do?Where they need to go? Where,
where's the resources? Uh, thelink to the web all that stuff?
Where where do they go? Wheredid they start? Excellent? Wow,
you're really setting up. Thank you. So our website has a bunch

(36:37):
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our website Cleaveanfilm dot com. UhAnd next week we're having our networking mixer.
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Hell yeah, this is the OutlawsRadio Show. Welcome back, Welcome
back and listening to the Outlaws.And now was the time of the show

(38:50):
that we like to call it TeaTime with ro Turn it up, Ye'll
set up complication, the latest celebritynews and gossip. It's Tea Time with
Rowe on the Outlaws Radio Show.All right, y'all, so we're gonna
go ahead and go with this realquick. So I'm gonna lead with this.

(39:12):
But because Dante is so knowledgeable onthis topic, I'm gonna start it
off and pass it to him.So Jake Paw and Mike Tyson was supposed
to have a fight, but Dave, the face off will not happen.
It is postponed. Now I donot know the details on it, So
I'm gonna go ahead and pass thetorch over to Dante. Yeah, what

(39:36):
happened? Yeah, so I guessit was this last week. It was.
It wasn't that long ago. Butas everybody I'm sure knows by now,
Tyson it's supposed to fight Jake Paul. And you don't really want to
call it like a celebrity boxing thingbecause it's actually sanctioned and it's gonna go

(39:59):
on both fighters record. But inwhat is I want to say, a
forest or I really don't know whatto call it. But they're supposed to
get in the ring. Mike Tyson, Yeah, fifty seven year old Mike
Tyson, the heavyweight champ of theworld from the nineteen eighties and Jake Paul,
the YouTuber slash professional boxer. Nowwho's a little bit younger than me,

(40:22):
so he's not even thirty yet they'resupposed to be fighting. They were
supposed to fight June twentieth, buta little while ago Mike Tyson had was
about to board a plane and hewas nauseous and pretty dizzy and it was
due to an ulcer flare up.And so the fight has to be postponed

(40:45):
really because his doctors and I guessthe commission are saying they just don't want
to risk his health. One ofthe quotes was, I'll read it really
quick. They said, I don'tknow how you continue to put your body
through a men's training for this,even if you have an ulcer. A

(41:06):
Chicago area gas dronologists who has practicedfor forty years before retiring, if it's
an ulcer, you just have torespect it. So the fight will be
rescheduled, and as of right now, Jake Paul and his promotional team,

(41:28):
MVP Promotions, are saying that weshould have a new date for the fight
next week. June seventh is whenthe next is when they will announce the
date for the fight. So Ididn't know until you just said just now
that I knew it was sanctioned.But I didn't even put two and two
together to think about the fact thatit actually will go on their records.

(41:51):
Christ it isn't like this isn't likethe Mayweather fights where they're just exhibitions and
it doesn't really go on as records. No, this is not an exhibition.
This is an actual This is aprofessional fight for Jake Paul and for
Mike Tyson. So you go onbox wreck and you look at Mike Tyson's
resume, and when I'm telling mysons, you know, Mike Tyson was

(42:15):
one of the greatest fighters, He'lllook and he may say, yeah,
you told me Mike Tyson was oneof the greats. He lost to Jake
Paul. I watched him on YouTube, you know, so there's a possibility
of that. Yeah, because itis a possible. I mean, in
a fight, anything as a possibility, I personally have I would have if
I was a betting man. IfI was a betting man, I would

(42:37):
have put my money on Tyson.But you know, a fighter is fifty
to fifty chance. And you know, a lot of people dismissed Jake Paul,
but he's no flap. But quickly, what are your what are your
thoughts about that match being saint,Like it didn't even dawn on me,

(42:57):
Like I heard it when it waslike, oh the match got saank,
But it didn't even dawn on methat it would actually count to the record.
Just the stuff that we always knowbefore. I mean, you know,
everybody talks about like because of whathappened this week obviously with Trump,
like oh, we live in aBanana Republic now, Well, like whatever
you want to call boxing, it'sworse, right, Like boxing is,

(43:21):
boxing is a business first then asport, but it's a business that used
to be run by crooks and thievesand a mob and a bunch of shady
characters. And that's really what itis. I mean to the majority of
people, like normal people, theydon't understand why I love the sport or

(43:43):
why I enjoy watching it so much. But it's really boxing has always been
like theatrical and kind of over thetop, right, Like there's an element
of pro wrestling. There is anelement of this isn't you know? These
are incredible athletes. Yeah, andthere's always a flair for the dramatics,

(44:05):
and I mean it's a Tyson fight, so you know, Tyson has always
had a flair for the dramatics,and Jake Paul is a YouTuber, so
like it's kind of disgusting because Idon't think that Tyson should be in any
sort of sanction fights, especially withpeople that are young enough to be his
son, just because I mean,obviously he's not the picture of health and

(44:30):
he's almost sixty, so it's dangerousfor him just any you know, just
anyway, now, if he weredoing exhibitions against people his own age,
former fighters, like when he boughtRoy Jones, or if he was gonna
do something with Holy Field, Imean, these are guys that are his
age, you know, that probablyhave similar health conditions as he does.
You know, Jake Paul is abig kid. He's strong, he does

(44:52):
train, he's athletic, and youknow, he's like twenty six, twenty
seven years old. Like that's adangerous proposition even for somebody, you know,
who at one point was one ofthe was you know, one of
the greatest fighters in the world.So one of the greatest ever. Yeah,
So I mean he you know,but boxing has always been like this,

(45:15):
and like I always tell people,even when it comes to like steroids
in boxing or you know, who'scheating and who's not cheating. We just
had that incident with Ryan Garcia,and everybody pretends to be outraged. The
people who are supposed to care,right, the promoters, the commission,
the sanctioning bodies, They're supposed tobe the ones that care. But they

(45:37):
don't. If I would, Ibe bent out of shape about them.
They don't care. They can keepmoved by money. Ryan Garcia just beat
Devin Haney in one of the highprofile fights of the year. He was
juiced to the gills, right,he tested positive for multiple different steroids.
No one cares. The people whoare in charge. They find out the

(46:01):
test results after the fight, right, So I mean, if they don't
care, if they're gonna let himfight again, why should I be upset
about it? So last last questionfor you, and then I'm problem.

(46:22):
We're gonna move on to the nexttopic. If Jake were to lose to
the fifty seventy year old Tyson,what impact do you think that has on
his career and his image more important? Nothing because like you said, no,
nothing because like you said already,most people, like most people think

(46:43):
he's gonna lose anyway. Yeah,but like to lose a fight that everybody
thinks that you're going to lose.It doesn't It doesn't harm him or anything,
and it doesn't you know, samething with Tyson, Like neither one
of them really have anything to lose. I mean, if Tyson goes out
there and loses or looks bad,I mean, it's fifty seven with obviously
he deals with Ulcer like you knowwhat I mean, Like he's a Tyson's
a fifty seven year old guy thatsmokes weed and does a podcast. Right

(47:07):
that his are long. You know, Tyson has been in a serious fight
since like the early two since Iwas in like fourth grade, right,
I'm almost thirty. So Tyson goesout there and loses to Jake Paul.
You know, he's almost sixty.He smoked weed all day and sit on
the couch with a podcast like youknow, like we do, Jake Paul.
If he loses, most people thoughtyou were going to lose anyway.

(47:28):
Most people don't take the podcast thepodcast part, not the smoke weed part.
We don't sit there, No,we do not sit around all day.
Yeah, podcast part. Just wantto make that part make no facts
facts. So yeah, I meanI don't think either one of the guys
have anything to really lose. Whatdo you think? That's the fair point.
That's the fair point. And theonly thing that I would say that

(47:52):
would make me be like, yeah, I agree with that is because most
people expect Jake Paul to lose anyone. I think that is probably the sense,
because I'm sure you have some peoplewho think Jake actually is the is
the one with the advantage because ofthe age and all of that. But
the average person thinks. I believethe average person thinks Tyson's gonna win anyway.

(48:15):
So as long as Tyson don't doghim. Now, if they get
out there and Tyson dogs him,that may hurt. That may hurt Tyson
because you can say that Tyson issupposed to win or can win. I
don't know if no fifty seven yearolds supposed to dog you. Though.

(48:38):
Yeah, they're gonna make They're probablygonna make a lot of money. That's
why they won't cancel the event.They're gonna make a lot of money and
sell a lot of tickets, andso there will unless someone gets seriously hurt.
And I don't think Jake fall canreally be seriously hurt here. I
don't think Tyson would do that tohim Tyson will you know, he'll talk

(49:00):
smack and he'll put on a meanface, you know, Impress conferences and
stuff like that. But I don'tthink he's I don't think he will actually
go out there and try to hurtyou know what I mean. Or let's
say he hurts Jake. I don'tthink he's gonna I'm gonna knock this kid
out. I don't think that's enticinganymore. And I don't think that Jake.
Let's say Jake where to crack Mikeand have Mike hurt. I don't

(49:23):
think he would actually go out thereand try to destroy the guy. I
don't think he would do that.So I could actually see, you know,
both guys having moments, neither guyreally hurting each other badly. Maybe
it ends in a draw, theysplit a lot of money. You know,
people come out for a nice event. I don't I don't think either
guy is gonna go out there andgo out on their shield, like you

(49:46):
know, like the heavyweight title ison the world or on the line.
So I hope, I hope Mikeis safe. Though, Man, you
know this is this is a dangerousthing. Uh obviously, because he's because
of his age, and like yousaid, he smokes a lot of weed,

(50:08):
and he hasn't had a professional fight, like a real fight in a
long time. And I've enjoyed thecharacter arc of Mike Tyson and how he
how he seems like a guy atpeace now and all those sorts of things.
Man, I really enjoy seeing someof his conversations. So I hope,

(50:30):
I just hope he's safe. Ijust hope he's safe. Of course,
I would love to see the spectaclebecause it's going to be, especially
because it's a sanctioned professional fight,it's going to be the spectacle. It's
almost like this is this will bethe opportunity for people Like I'm I'm a

(50:52):
little older than Dante's so I rememberI remember a little of the original Tyson.
The most that I remember, though, even in my age, is
like post ear bite Tyson. Mmhmmm. So the test so like close
to the end, you know whatI mean. Like I'm old enough to

(51:14):
remember that, but a lot ofpeople don't know the spectacle that came with
a Tyson fight. Like Tyson wasone of those it was different. Man.
You can't you got dressed, youput on a suit, you like
it was. The celebrities came out, the rappers, the actors, the

(51:36):
gang bangers, everything like you knowwhat I mean, Like you came out
for a Tyson fight. There wasnothing like a Tyson He's one of the
most famous athletes in American history.Really yeah, and and whatcle and that
spectacle was just like I think forsome people, this is almost like their

(51:58):
opportunity to see like Jordan on theWizards. This is what I think.
This is what I think it isfor some people that good Jake would be
in trouble. I don't even think. I think I think this would be
like Mike at a retirement home becausepeople because people didn't see Tyson in his

(52:24):
prime, A lot of a lotof people didn't see Jordan his crime.
Now when he was with the Wizards, he was no longer in his prime,
no doubt about it, but youstill saw glimpses of that Jeorde.
He was still you know, hewas he was still I mean, he's
still had a pretty good year.So I think this is this is people's

(52:45):
opportunity, I guess, to experiencesomething that they weren't old enough to experience
when it was really enter tating,you know, what I mean. So,
but I hope, I just hopeTyson is safe. Just be safe,
man, don't don't hurt yourself becauseit ain't worth it. He got
enough money and he don't like,don't need it. He don't need it,

(53:07):
all right, next, all right, So I'm gonna go a little
light on it this week since Iwent so hard on y'all last week.
But this one is a little moredown. So if anybody has ever watched
a General Hospital, there was anactor on there. His name is Johnny

(53:27):
Whacter. He was a he's aformer actor on there, and but he
as of just a couple of daysago, he was shot dead in downtown
Los Angeles during an alleged robbery.And Darbil, I know that you kind
of had the backstory on that.Yeah, So he was he was leaving

(53:50):
his bartending job with a coworker andhe was walking around and there was a
he saw the and it was likethree in the morning, I think,
and he saw some dudes around hiscar. Now he thought his car was
getting told, but it was reallyI guess they were trying to cut off

(54:15):
his catalytic converter, which is somethinga lot of criminals do, and it's
worth quite a bit of money,your catalytic converter. So he caught him
in the act. They pulled agun. He he got in front of
the girl, and you know,they shot the guy in the chest.

(54:37):
So they took his life over acar park right that they ended up not
even getting Wow, they got infrom my understanding, they got in another
car and drove away. I mean, it's just, first of all,
this is one of the reasons whya friend of the show, Kalie Lamar,

(54:59):
as always talking about stealing and whyit matters more than people think it
does, because it's almost like agateway drug. Like if you're willing to
be bored enough to steal somebody's catalyticconverter off of a car, like,

(55:20):
why wouldn't you just do whatever?You know what I mean. And it's
just the lack of respect for life, the lack of respect for people's property.
You know, it's just it wasjust it was just sad for him
to have to die like that,and they didn't have to shoot him.
They just shot him just for noreason, for no reason, they didn't
have to shoot him. So andthat kind of brings it back to you

(55:45):
know, how it is for peopleas far as being able to live on
a day to day life, likepeople cannot. Like I don't know where
it's like with the jobs, youknow, people I don't know if they're
like being lazy or if this ifit's the lack of you know, the
opportunities of people to get on theirfeet or whatever the case may be,

(56:07):
like to for people to go tothat extreme to not only steal people's car
pards, but to take their lifeover it Like it's I try to wrap
my mind around that, but it'sjust like that really brings that to that
is like what is it? Isit the laziness or is it the lack
of jobs? Well, I thinkthe issue is it's just it's just the

(56:32):
lack of respect and with all ofthis, all of this crime in the
streets. It's one of the reasonswhy I talk so much about crime,
Like people feel like they can dowhatever the hell they want to do.
People feel like they can just likeit's like the Wow West, you know,

(56:53):
and they had no value, norespectful life because they can they can
get a job, find a job, but you know, they rather take
somebody's life because they caught you inthe act and trying to steal something from
Nate car You know what I'm saying, it's like right to add insults of

(57:15):
injury. You shouldn't have been overthere in the first place, and he
caught you, and because he caughtyou, you shot it. You know,
so it's it's messed up. It'smessed up. And you know what,
Darville, you know, when youwere speaking, I was just thinking
because when you know, when Iwent to La uh for LA Fashion Week

(57:37):
a couple of years back, Iknow that every person that I have ever
met that lives there because it kindof I guess I kind of take back
from what I said about the lackof jobs because truly in La like there's
so many opportunities, so many differentthings, and I get that people have
to work multiple jobs. I meanthat's really anywhere but La you know,
with the expenses being so high,rent, et cetera. But I see,

(58:01):
I knew a lot of people thatwere like they were doing all kinds
they had their hands and all kindsof different things to make money. So
it's really no excuse, absolutely not. And uh, as we close,
Dante, you know, California ingeneral has a has a reputation for these

(58:24):
kind of these kind of shenanigans,and I think it's part of another one
of those things. Man, thisis why you know people don't like politics,
but politics matter because these are yourleaders, and your leaders create conditions
for mess like this to happen.Oh yeah, that people who did this
probably won't even be prosecuted. Theydon't even know who they are, like

(58:45):
they they got. I mean,I think what's going on in northern California
is outrageous. I mean I wastalking to one of my one of my
friends that live out there, andI was like, man, I should
I need to get out of NorthernCalifornia. He was like, yeah,
Bro, I don't think the timefor that is right now. Then I
thought about it, I was like, oh yeah, cause they just running

(59:05):
into people's cars and they doing itbecause they can get away with it.
A friend of mine went out tola I'm sorry she went out to San
Francisco with her. It was herand three of her friends, and she
telling me this story. She said, they got their luggage, you know,
they checked out, but they hadsomebody had to make a run.
I think it was like to atarget or a CVS or something like one

(59:28):
of the you know, the storelike that. She said when they came
out, Uh, their rental carwas broken into. All their luggage had
been I mean they hadn't been therefor in an hour yet wow, all
of their stuff. It's like manhad no way, no way, but
a law abidence citizen like me,it'd be I got to jump through hoops

(59:50):
and everything to get you know,to get a firearm or all this suff
I just California is not for me. I can visit. I like the
visit, but it's not for meto live. Specific Oh I would never
ever, ever, ever ever wantto live like oh no, I in
New York and oh I know peoplein California right now trying to get out
like like oh no, never everever. And you know, they got

(01:00:16):
that stupid law where like if yousteal under one thousand dollars, you won't
get arrested. You can walk inthe store and just steal stuff and walk
out and they can't do anything aboutit. They'll fire, they'll fire the
people who if they try to stopyou. That's crazy, which is crazy.
Imagine going into like a target,you're trying to steal a TV,

(01:00:38):
the person, the person you yougot the TV. You're about to get
out of there and associate trips.You you fall, break your leg,
limp to the car, steal theTV. It's under a thousand. They
can't do nothing about it. Andthen you get to suit target because you,
oh, that would be incredible.That's man. Imagine owning a business.

(01:01:00):
No way, no way, no, I mean, why didn't you
think a lot of these these businessesare moving out of California and going to
different places, you know what Imean. And and by the way,
if you're if you're listening and you'reshooting movies, come on to Ohio.
Uh. If people try to stealyour stuff, we will lock. They
answer that video with the protesters downtownin Cleveland and they were this was around

(01:01:29):
the George Floyd toime and the protesterthe protesters were about to throw bricks through
It was some guy's window. Man, but it was two guys in there,
and all they did was show thatthey had two shotguns. And the
protest was like, oh no,no, no, get to get out
of here. Yeah you're talking aboutthem. I can't remember. It was
some battalion, dudes. It wasan Italian restaurant and all they did was

(01:01:53):
just show them that we got shotguns, we got to blow you. And
it was like oh no, no, no, no, they got guns
they got and these were not andagain, these these were not uh like
black people protesting the murder of GeorgeFloyd or any other situation here in Cleveland.
These were agent provocateurs that were cominginto our city to stir up trouble

(01:02:15):
after the protest, creating the ridethat you know, the stuff that made
it on the news. So thatthat's what that was. But but here
in Ohio, uh now, wehave concealed carry without a permit. Back
then, you know, all youhave to do is take a class and
you know you can go to thestore and get a shotgun. So businesses
are protected here. Yeah yeah,so come on, come on through,

(01:02:36):
come on, you said your propertyhere. So but on a on a
serious note, the whole thing isserious. Serious condolences to Johnny Wack's family
and and all of that, andI hope they get justice. I hope
they get justice. I know that'sa hard thing to get in California,

(01:03:00):
but you know, his family deservesjustice. So all right, stay tuned.
We have this hot taste coming upnext here, sir, welcome back.
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call it Dante's Hot Takes, tellingthe truth. Whether you like it or

(01:03:43):
not, it's Dante's Hot Takes onthe Yelt Lawns radio show. Well,
as I'm sure everybody knows by now, former President Donald Trump has been convicted
of a felony. He is ourformer president is a felon, and he

(01:04:08):
was convicted yesterday in New York bya jury of his peers, and so
we are awaiting his sentencing, whichis supposed to happen July eleventh. Trump
spoke to the media immediately after thepress or after the reading of the verdict

(01:04:30):
yesterday. He called it a shamand a farce and said he's going to
continue to fight because our country isgoing to hell. He echoed those sentiments
today in about a thirty forty minutespeech at Trump Tower. And so now
everybody's just kind of in a waitinggame. But what I am really impressed
by is the level of cognitive dissonancereally by both sides. On the one

(01:04:56):
hand, you got Trump's supporter saying, you know, this is the deep
state, this is the Biden administration, the same people that stole the election.
These are the people that are outto get Trump and they got him.
So my question to them would be, well, how do you think
he's going to win the election?Because if these are the same people that

(01:05:19):
have all this power and have continuouslygained victory after victory against him, why
would they let him win the presidencynow when he needs it most. But
then we see the hypocrisy from theother side too, which it's actually kind
of sad because people want to seethis seventy seven year old guy go to

(01:05:41):
prison for a nonviolent crime that isnormally charged as a misdemeanor. But he's
a nonviolent criminal who is seventy sevenyears old and this is his first offense.
Do we really want people like thatgoing to prison? I don't think
so. As somebody who I'm notagainst jail, but I am against nonviolent

(01:06:03):
offenders being you know, lumped in. So the one thing that, like
I was telling Darvo off the air, the one thing that I'm very grateful
to Trump for is that he basedon his him being so outrageous, his
persona and his presidency and his candidacybeing so outlandish and so much of an

(01:06:27):
outlier, he has forced everybody totake off their masks and to show us
that, you know, both sidesare really hypocrites that are full of bs.
Right, We've got people who aretraditionally on the side of questioning the
law and saying, you know,the system is corrupt and you can't trust

(01:06:49):
the system, and let's bring prisonreform so that non violent offenders don't go
to prison, especially on their firstoffense. Ready to lock this man up
because they hate him politically and don'twant him to become president again. And
then you got another side that willtell you about the Lord and about Christianity

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idol worshiping a man who cheated onhis wife. So I'm impressed by the
level of cognitive dissonance, but I'malso kind of sad that this is really
where our country is right, andif we were ever right for the empire
to fall, it would be rightnow. Right. If China is the

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superpower that people think they are,if they were ready, America's time surely
looks like it's now. Right nowlooks like the time right. I do
think people are being hyperbolic when itcomes to you know, I saw civil
war trending, and I saw insurrectiontrending. I just think, you know,

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again, thank you to Trump forat least bringing out the level of
unseriousness in people, because I justI think a lot of this stuff is
theater. We have the prosecutor nowbeing summoned to Congress by Jim Jordans,
so there will be more theater onthat with his Senate hearing or with his

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House hearing. So right now wehave we are in a very serious time
with a lot of unserious and hypocriticalpeople running the country, and we got
an important election in November. AndI have no idea where this goes,
because I don't think that this isthe death knell for Trump's campaign. I

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don't. I actually think he's stillvery much alive. But I'm also sensible,
and something we were talking about earlieroff the air where it's like he's
going to be able to run asa felon, But we will have felons
in this country that either can't voteor can't get their gun rights back,
non violent specifically non violent felas whocan't vote, can't get their gun rights

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back, can't vote or get jobs, or maybe not be able to get
financial aid for school. So wejust got a lot of problems. But
at least, in the very least, I think we can all be grateful
for Trump at least exposing a lotof those problems, because he can be
so outrageous. So my perspective isa little different, well a lot different,

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not that I disagree with anything thatyou said. I commented on a
post earlier to day of somebody comparingTrump to Jesus, and I'm like,
stop that, please stop that.Don't do that. Don't do that.
I saw that. I saw that. Yeah, don't don't don't don't do

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that. By the way, yeah, don't don't do that. But I
think it's important to acknowledge that thiswas outrageous. The the charges were garbage,

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the the way that the entire trialwas set up was garbage. The
whole it was, the whole thingwas a scam. It just it just
was and my biggest fear to me. And I watched Trump speech too,

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and I think he was right whenhe said it ain't even about him,
because this is the thing that wesaid, and I know I specifically said
on this show when the raid happened. When you do this, don't be
surprised when it comes back to you. Every time this happens. Every time

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a new political weapon gets introduced,it will eventually be used on the people
who introduced it. And so thatis the thing that I think I'm the
most concerned about, beyond Trump oranything else. Is this the world that
we want to live in? Isthis the environment that we want to live

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in? These like there are peopleand I do believe that Trump derangement syndrome
is real. There are people whohate this man so much that they're willing
to do anything, anything to destroythis man. Now again, granted,

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did he have something to do withthat, Yes he did. Don't cheat
on your wife. He's not amember. He not a member of a
Faithful Black Man Association. We talkabout that on this show all the time.
There are a lot of men,a lot of powerful, famous men,
who get caught up and end upgetting railroaded from situations where the door

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was opened because they cheated on theirwife. Don't cheat on your wife.
So yes, I totally agree withall of that. I agree with the
fact that I think it's I thinkthe hypocrisy on the Republican side is more
from the from the criminal justice aspectversus the I understand what they say when

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they when they make the argument about, you know, the system being rigged,
but Trump can still win because theargument that they're making now is,
uh, they got to make theelection that the catchphrase is too big to
rig, so their victory has tobe too big to rig. But then
my only question for that is,Okay, well, are y'all going to
get out here in these streets andgo sign up voters and register voters and

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make sure that you make that youmake the case to win as many voters
as you can so that it canbe quote unquote too big to rick.
But I understand that argument. ButI do agree with the hypocrisy from the
criminal justice aspect, which both sideshave. You have one side who always
says the system is corrupt now sayingit's the best system in the world.

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And then you have the other sidewho always says is the best system of
the word in the world, nowsaying the system is corrupt. There's no
consistency. And for somebody like mewho has always been consistent, like,
yeah, I think is our systembetter than other systems? Yeah? Yeah

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it is? But is it perfect? No? And I've never said it's
perfect. And when there's things thatare wrong with the system, I have
articulated that and said we need tofix that. But these people get caught
up in these binary choices where theysay it's all good or all bad and
not. It looks stupid when situationslike this happen. So I agree with

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all of that, but I wantedto make sure that I didn't ignore the
fact that I think that this caseis this case was outrageous. It was
absolutely outrageous. This was a clearpolitical in my view, in my opinion,
And you know, I am notanti prosecutor. I'm not anti you

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know what I mean. I'll criticizeit if you're wrong, but I'm not
against law enforcements as a general position, you know what I mean. I
want you to do right when youin that when you're in that position,
and if you do wrong, Icriticize you. But to me, this
prosecution was political. I thought itwas unfortunate to see. It's fortunate to

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see the system used this way.But on another on the other hand,
I'm not surprised because I've seen thesystem use this way before. One in
particular, I remember when Irvin ChrisGotti got rail roaded by the federal government
when they got prosecuted for something thatthey had no business being prosecuted for because

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it was no case at all.Like so, I've seen I know somebody
personally, I told you the storyoff their someone that I personally know who
was railroaded and prosecuted by something thatwas a constitutional right. They violated his
constitutional rights. Right now, DexterTaylor, who was on this show as

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Carbon Mike, is in New Yorkjail, is in a New York prison
right now, and his constitutional rightswere violated. He has no business they
arrested and sent this man to prisonfor like ten years for exercising his constitutional

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rights. So for me, yeah, the Trump I believe, And people
can disagree, they can agree ordisagree or whatever. I believe that that
Trump trial was a political prosecution.I believe that that trial was a clear

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cut case of prosecutorial misconduct. Iwas shocked. I was shocked and disturbed
by the audacity of it, butI wasn't surprised because I've seen them do
that to other people, and Ithink, you know, I always say

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this, like conservatism, like theidea, the idea of political conservatism,
the ideology would be a beautiful thingif it was consistent and applied equally,
because if you're a conservative and you'reconsistent in that, you would have already
had a suspicion of that system.Because you should have a suspicion if you

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are a conservative, if you callyourself a conservative, you should have a
suspicion of anyone who has that muchamount of power in their hands and know
and they have not demonstrated that they'refair with that power. I wrote about
this when the Marlago raid happened.I wrote about this in Newsweek, where

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you had conservatives criticizing the FBI,And my article in Newsweek was essentially welcome
to the party because the FBI beentargeting had been targeting black people for decades.
This is the thing about power,and this is why I'm saying it's

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so dangerous to play this game becausewhen you play this game, eventually it
will be turned on you. Soeverybody has to get serious and get consistent.
What do you believe. Don't pickand choose your values based on who

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the target is. And that goesfor that. That's not just for the
Republicans, that's for the Democrats too, because I see people that are gleeful
right now, and you shouldn't bebecause, first of all, like Dante
mentioned, you're exposing yourself as ahypocritecause you spend all the time criticizing the

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system. Now you love the systembecause it's going after your political opponent.
Second of all, what is goodfor the goose is good for the gander.
Once you introduce a new weapon intothe political system, it will eventually
be used on you. So Idon't disagree with anything but you said Dante,

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But I wanted to make sure thatI pointed out like this, this,
this is outrageous. I am intotal agreement that this was a this
was a flawed case from the start. There's a lot of things that they
can bring on appeal. The groundis right for appeal, that was my

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last one. The ground is absolutelyright for appeal or not just one reason
either, Like I'm sure Trump's legalteam is probably coming to the you know,
Appello court with with a bib onbecause there are multiple, multiple reasons

(01:19:53):
why he has a good shot againthis overturned on appeal. Right, so
right, you know, we're tosay, but yeah, the ground is
right for a pill at least.What I think about it is that that's
that's wild, is that's not unlessthey unless they try to fast track it

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to the Supreme Court. And there'sa pathway for them to do that.
It's a narrow pathway and it's notguaranteed, and the Supreme Court may not
do it. But unless they tryto fast track it to the Supreme Court,
this thing won't be resolved before theelection. No, And because it's
not a federal case, even shouldhe win, he will not be able

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to pardon himself right right, dependingon now if there's you know, depending
on how if there's you know,the Supreme Court case where they expand their
jurisdiction over some of this stuff,which they could, but beyond that,
beyond something novel happening like that,No, and this won't be resolved.

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This won't be resolved until after afterthe election. And the last point I
want to make because we got toget out of here. But the last
point I want to make is there'sclearly something wrong in New York with the
way that they're doing cases and trialsand things like that. Like I mentioned,
not only just with the Trump thing. It ain't just about Trump.

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That's one of the reasons why Idon't even really like talking about him publicly,
because people just get sold. Theylose their mind when that man's name
come out of your mouth. Likepeople's brains, they just stopped listening.
They're not even listening to your generalargument. So it's not just about Trump,
and it's not just about the Trumpcase. But like I mentioned,

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the situation with Dexter Taylor, wherehe legally assembled an assembled gun for himself,
never used them, never nothing,just because he wanted. He liked
to tear him down and build himtogether. He was basically like an engineer.
They sent him to prison. Wesaw Harvey Weinstein, who is a

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reprehensible person, a reprehensible human being, who allegedly raped and assaulted many women.
His case, his conviction in NewYork, the majority of it just
got thrown out, not too longago by the New York Supreme Court because
their prosecutor was doing a prosecutorial misconductin his case. Something's up in New

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York in general. You can't havethese situations where people feel like the judge
the judge and Dexter Taylor's case,hold his lawyer, you cannot bring up
the Second Amendment in this courtroom.How is that? How is that possible?
Where they just blatantly violate your constitutionalrights like that and you have no

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recourse. That's a problem. Sothere's some issues going on in New York.
I agree. I wish people wouldbe more consistent. I've accepted the
fact that they're not. But inmy view, that doesn't change the fact
that this is This is outrageist andI'm concerned for the country and I'm concerned
about what comes next. Uh,let him know how to follow you,

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