Ep. 402 - The Urban League's Colin Jackson and Bryson Haynes talk about Education and Youth Development

The Urban League of Greater Cleveland's Colin Jackson and Bryson Haynes talk about youth development and the issues surrounding education, particularly pertaining to minority students, and more. 

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so we have an interview that we'regonna get to right. All right,
we have two very special guests onthe show today. One you are
already most of you are already familiarwith. For another show has been on

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the show before, Colin Jackson.Welcome back. How you doing, brother?
What's going on? Kingpan, I'mhappy to be back on on the
FDB airway. It's been a minute. I appreciate appreciate it. Now you
also have a guest with you aswell, So tell everybody who you got
with you, brother, Yeah,yeah, yeah. So I'm not sure

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how many listeners know, but Iam a board member of the Urban League
of Great Cleveland, which is theUrban League chapter here in Cleveland, Ohio,
and we have the pleasure of youknow, sticking through our sticking to
our three d's, which is defendingdemocracy, demanding diversity, and defeating poverty.

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Within that element of defeating poverty,one of our big focuses is youth
and education. So I'm so happyto have with us the director of our
wonderful EYD program, mister Bryson.Haynes Bryson. What's up, man,
what's going on? Yeah? What'sgoing on? All right? Welcome to
the show, Matt, go ahead, No, no, I just want

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to say that EYD is just areally important program. It houses m b
K and so many of our otherefforts that the Urban League does with youth.
And Bryson is doing an amazing andamazing job of leading that program.
And so I'm excited to hear whathe can share about the program today and
think we're having a phone all right, So first of all, you said

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a lot of letters, so Iwant you to break that down for people
who don't know what does that mean, talk about the program, all that
good stuff. Whoever want to takethat goo ahead right, Yeah, I'll
go ahead and take it. Soyou know, UYB is education and youth
development, which is pretty much standardacross the urban leagues across the nation.

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Some people do, you know,youth and young adults, but you know,
we're focused on the education and youthdevelopment piece of what we do with
Within that umbrella, we have MyBrother's Keeper initiative, which was the initiative
that came out of President of BarackObama's office when he finished his term,
and it was a call of actionto assist black and brown boys specifically,

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you know, focusing on six milestones, which is the first one being reading,
being able to re at third gradelevel, you know, once they
get to that age, graduation fromhigh school, post secondary completion, employment,
and then free from violence. Andour specific chapter focuses on the last

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four which is graduation from high school, post secondary completion, employment, and
free from violence. And so withinMy Brother My Brother's Keeper initiative, we
serve about sixteen ms D schools aswell as a few suburban districts as well
that will be beginning chapters this comingfall. And it's really about mentorship,

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it's about exposure education, getting theseyoung men out of their six block radius,
not only mentally but physically as well. And so you know, we
take them on college trips, wetake them two different industries and expose them
to you know, different careers.Entrepreneurship is a development and really just you

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know, wanting to you know,provide them when an opportunity to see themselves
bigger, are more than maybe whatthey see themselves with their neighborhood, with
their community, see you know,seison them and sometimes even in their own
household. And so that's one ofour major initiatives that follow into the ey
d Umbrella, along with some otherprogramming that you know, we do specifically

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for you know, juniors and seniors. That is really career pathway focused for
the students who have you know,didn't have a career plan going into high
school and now they see themselves graduatingin the next you know, a couple
of months or maybe a year,and we try to accelerate, you know,
that opportunity to expose them, getthem ready you know for you know,

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a career, doing mock interviews,helping them with resumes, helping them
with financial literacy. So we bringin you know, different entities, different
other organizations, companies and individuals,you know, to give them a well
rounded approach of really you know,the development piece surrounded with you know,
the social emotional learning, aspect ofmental health, aspect, the physical peace

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and so you know that's typically whatwe do on an every day basis.
No days is the same, andso you know, it definitely keeps us
on our toes with just how manyyou know students we serve and just the
type of things that they go throughon a daily basis, and you know
how we try to offer our assistanceand resources. So that man is saving
black boys with everything he just said, he is saving our youth. So

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I just I just really want usto really understand and and and give Brython
his flowers here for doing that work. We see so much of the negative,
but to see a programming and alegacy institution doing that work is something
that we can't just let be thatbrother said that. No, we need
to applause that brother for doing thatwork. Appreciate. Yeah. And you

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know it's funny because I was Iwas actually going to follow up with that
to kind of dig in and pillthe onion back a little bit. Talk
a little bit about some of thetransformations that you've seen in some of these
kids' lives through this program, youknow, talk a little bit about you
know, what you've seen since you'vebeen a part of us. Yeah,

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I mean, we've seen young menwho had no desire to attend you know,
uh, post secondary education and thennow be accepted to some of your
most prestigious colleges around the country.You know, We've had young men who
you know, who will be attendingCentral State University, which is you know,

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HBCU right here in Ohio. Wehave a summer Bridge program that we've
been running the last three years.Last year was our first time partnering with
John Carroll University, and we actuallyhad a student apply and be accepted to
John Carroll, you know, fromthat, you know, from that experience,

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you know, even though he's notchoosing to go to John Carroll,
just that experience of being able tosee that We've had young men who have
been have come to us, whohave been on probation, who have been
you know, in the juvenile justicesystem in some capacity, and because of
the you know, the program,you know, some of the things that
we do, you know, we'veseen them being able to get off of
probation early be leaders in their community, and not only in their community,

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be able to be leaders and advocates, you know, across the nation,
you know, with you know,our National Urban League movement, you know,
as we have a conference each yearand there's a youth leadership summit that
you know is tied into that,and some of our young men have been
afforded opportunity to travel go to Houstonlast year. This year we're going to
New Orleans. And so just seeingthat transformation, seeing that that light bulb

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you know, come on in theirminds, and you know, seeing a
lot of these young men coming inwith you know, their their stories just
on what they did with on aneveryday basis and then being able to see
just the joy come out of it, being able to be you know,
build bonds with other you know,young men that look like them, that
come from different parts of the city. You know, like I said,

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as many schools that we serve,many neighborhoods that we serve, you know,
to see all these young men comefrom the you know, the east
side, west Side and everywhere inbetween and actually build a brotherhood, that's
something that you know, you know, why is a why you know,
you know, you do these thingsevery single day and you're not sure you're
making a difference. But when youyou know, you kind of peel back

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that onion and kind of count yourwins versus your losses, you know,
you see that you're doing, youknow, you know, some pretty incredible
things, and it's really hitting homefor a lot of these young men.
Absolutely absolutely so, uh, Colin, this one is to you. I
want to talk a little bit,uh to kind of zoom out a little

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bit and talk about the Urban Leaguein general. I've seen a lot of
the good work that the Urban legLeague is done, and it's doing.
I'm not sure if the general publicseason enough of what you guys are doing,
because you guys are doing some really, really good work and I want
to make sure everybody knows about it. So talk a little bit about what

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the Urban League does, your roleat the Urban League and all that good
stuff. Man, I want tomake sure people know about all the things
that you guys are doing. Yeah. So you know, when I talk
to you about the Urban League,I say that we're an empowerment organization and
then people ask me what does thatmean? And you know, are our

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great CEO C Marshall mockab reminds meof but the three d's almost every time
I fear, uh, you know, demanding diversity, defeating poverty, and
defending democracy. There. So,you know, we talk about defeating poverty,
that falls right into what Brightton's doingwith EYD. You know, we
can't defeat poverty until we take truecontrol over our education and start educating our

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individuals in the way that they canbe most productive in society. Right.
You know, Also, defeating povertyis a big part of our economic empowerment
agendas. Where I'll say this veryclearly. If you have a business,
the Urban League has something for you, whether that's starting your business, scaling

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your business, or providing your businesswith the financial backing it needs to be
successful in the current economy. Additionally, what people see a lot of us
doing is defending democracy. When wetalk about the march on Washington in this
country, urban leaders where at theback of that. Everybody who's in White
House administration positions across administration. Andlet me say that again, from nineteen

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forty on one till today, there'salways been an Urban leaguer in the White
House consulting with the president. Sowe have always been a part of defending
democracy and being a part of thegovernmental and policy that makes it better for
African Americans people of color in thiscountry. And the last thing, which
is so important now is demanding diversity. Right, we see the quote unquote

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at tax on diversity across the country. The Urban League is right there in
the middle of it making the economicargument right for why diversity is good for
a capitalist society, that being thatif you have a diverse group of ideas
and a diverse group of individuals whoget a better outcome when it comes to

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innovation. So those are all thethings the Urban League is doing on a
daily basis. But for me andCleveland, I serve as a board member
on the president of the Young ProfessionalsChapter here in Cleveland, and we are
trying to build a network of AfricanAmericans that can now only work together,
but grow together in Cleveland and KyleHog County, support each other, support

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each other's businesses, and be asfruitful and prosperous as possible. So it's
a really big mission. But whatI tell everybody is they're the piece of
the mission that directly relates to yourlife, and it's just my job as
the ambassad to make sure that partof the mission is connected to the individuals
in the community. Absolutely, man, And I know, I know you

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guys have two events that are comingup on really important events, Bryce and
talk a little bit about some ofthe events that you guys got coming up.
Yeah, So on June twenty second, the actual the National Urban League
will be coming to the state ofOhio to really talk about assessments and accountability.

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You know, as our students arebeing bombarded with standardized testing and unfortunately
a lot of our students don't succeedin those you know, particular methods,
and so you know, they aredeemed uneducated, you know, or don't
have the ability to comprehend the informationand material that is being disseminated to them.

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And so you know, we're advocatingfor different methods of assessments to really
find out, you know, howcan we you know, shape the future
of our education system specifically in Ohioand so on June twenty second at the
Tricy Corporate College in Warrensville. Youknow, from eight to five, we're
going to be bringing in you know, I guess of stakeholders, so teachers,

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administrators, parents, for sure,youth. You know, we're big
advocates on having a youth voice.I think so many times we have so
many conversations around young people, butthere's never any young people in the room
and say, you know, reallygetting their perspective of how they navigate,
you know, the system which iseducation, and you know, the pros

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and cons and things that they seeeffect them, the policies that are in
place that seem to either hold themback or prepare them forward. And so
we're really going to be having someyou know, open and honest conversation and
dialogue you know around how how canwe can really cultivate an environment you know
that these students can learn and thriveand grow, you know, into the

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next leaders of you know, ofour society. So it's really going to
be you know, a great opportunitytime to be in a in a room
with a bunch of other you know, individuals that do this every day,
you know, from an administrative standpoint, you know, as a parent myself,
you know, you know, justbeing there to to be able to

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know how to advocate, you know, for your own children, you know,
in a system like education, whichis so big and sometimes you know
a lot of things get lost intranslation, specifically you know, for students
of color, and so this wouldbe a great opportunity to really dive deep
into what's really going on in thestate of Ohio. Absolutely, and Colin

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one of those events again. Soyeah, yeah, So the National Urban
League event is going to be Junetwenty second, that's a corporate college and
then the follow up to this weekend, Darvoe, we're basically at the Urban
League of Great Cleveland's Young Professional We'redoing it basically education weekend. So we're

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going to be with the National UrbanLeague on the twenty second, Then on
the twenty fourth, which is actuallythat Monday, we're going to be at
Midtown Tech Hi. We have partneredwith EYD specifically Brightened and College Now.
And if you're not familiar with CollegeNow, College Now is the financial piece
of say yes. They provide mentoring, financial assistance, all types of wrap

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around services for youth within our community. So on the twenty fourth, we're
actually be doing a recruitment event.So this is an event whether you're an
entrepreneur, whether you're a teacher,whether you're a parent, whether you're maybe
even a barber. Right, theseare the people that can come out and
actually be potential mentors. You know, what Bryson will tell you is that

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he can have all the programming inthe world, but if he doesn't have
the community coming in right and talkingto these kids and letting them know they're
the future in front of them.If they do these things, then you
know, all his work is fornothing. So the twenty second for the
kind of state of Ohio education,and then on the twenty four will actually

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be recruiting mentors at Midtown Tech Hivebetween six and nine pm. All right,
all right, let everybody know theywant to get more information about the
events if they want to, youknow, follow y'all, especially the yps
on social media and all that goodstuff. Let him know how to do
that, Sir Bryson, you canplug clirs, gotcha. Yeah. You

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can follow our Education Youth Development pageon social media handles on Instagram at e
y D underscore u l GC.You can also look for us online at
ww dot forout our website, Ithink it's UL Cleveland dot Org. I
could, yeah, okay, cool, Yeah, So you can follow us

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on our website as well to see, you know, not only our Education
Youth Development Department, but all theother pillars that make up the urb League
of Greater Cleveland. Absolutely, andI'll just follow that up with anything Young
Professional related. If you're heard anythingon this interview that you are interested in
with the Urbans, the Greater Cleveland, the Young Professional Chapter is willing and

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waiting for you to come join us. So you can find us at UL
Cleveland dot org flag u l gc YP. There you can find our
membership page. You can find ourInstagram, our Facebook. All of our
events are also posted on that singlepage. But more than anything, I
just hope you all visit you Clevelanddot org, find something for your business

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RSVP for one of these wonderful eventswe have coming up, or just learned
something that can empower you in yourlife or someone that you know. All
Right, all right, Colin andBryson, thanks for coming on the show,
brothers. Really appreciated and thanks forsharing all of that important information man,
and good luck out there. Justso appreciate you. DARBYA. All
right, stay tuned, we havemore to come. We'll be right back.

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right, y'all, So we'll justsay this in honor of Men's Mental Health
Awareness Month. I think that thesestories that I am going to touch upon
is kind of in the sense ofthat. So first I will say,
there is everybody I don't know ifyou know who Amon schumperd is. He
was he's a basketball player. Andthen there's Tiana Taylor. She is a

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music performer. So Imon Schumpert claimsthat Tiana Taylor makes twice his income and
wants child support adjusted. Now,so a few years back they became divorced,
who were once appeared on social mediaas this insanely perfect couple. They

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were just absolutely perfect, and youknow, they just they divorced. So
what he was saying is that she, Tiana, brings home ninety thousand a
month while he makes nearly fifty thousanda month. Now, I'll say this,
so with that being said, isif this man is already paying you

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know, he's already spending time withhis children, he's consistent with that as
a father, as a man,you know, he's doing his job.
He already pays his half of theyou know, the costs and everything,
and he already gives her money insupport. I think, in my personal
opinion, a man who is presentin their children's lives the way they should

(25:12):
not have to pay child support.That's just my personal opinion. Now,
if he was not doing what heshould have been doing, yes, but
as long as he is taking careof what needs to be taken care of,
I don't see why, why whythere needs to be more money given
just my price agreed down to yourthoughts. Yeah, I can understand.

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And when to come to some sortof like parenting agreement where a set amount
is set aside for for the children, I'm I'm all, or you know,
just put everything on paper, putit, you know, put it
in contract. So if he youknow, maybe they both need to come
up with ten grand a month forthe kids or five grand a month,
or you know, whatever the casemay be. Like put it in writing.

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Let the lawyers handle that. Butlike child support, you know,
it sounds like a dirty word,but I'm off, like, let it
just be a contract so that youknow later down the road they weren't just
doing things in good faith, andthen somebody can come back and say,
you know, well you didn't doX, Y and Z, and now

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I want this money back. Right, Let's just get this, Let's just
get it in writing, let's letthe lawyers handle it, Let's make sure
that we're on the same page,and we can go from there. Because
y'all got divorced for a reason,so obviously, you know, maybe y'all
on good terms, maybe y'all not, but in the times that y'all not
on good terms, you can atleast make sure you got this this legality

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to fall back on. I guessright, I agree that way, those
terms are set and there's no issuesat hand, So yeah, I definitely
I like that idea. We're bothshould at least put certain amounts, you
know, into a fund we're youknow, and that way there don't have
to be all those extracurricular things goingon. Unnecessary stress, very much unnecessary

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stress because because you don't want todo things in good faith. I mean
a marriage, a marriage is acontract. The divorce, right, you
had to legally break that contract,right, that's what a divorce is.
So let's let's do that with withour children too, because I as a
man or as a woman, right, you don't want to come back five

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years later and now she's suing youfor back childs like he ain't never did
X, Y and Z for thekids, and you know he ain't never
paid child Now, now you openedup a whole new can of worms.
So let's just get it all inwriting right now. And we don't have
to worry about that. So whethershe loves you today or whether you hate
her tomorrow, we still got thiscontract. Yep, yep, I absolutely

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agree. I like that. Nextso in the next one, this one
is this was disturbing. So thisis actually not talked about enough. So
we always talk about, well notus per se, but in general in

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the human race, often talk abouthow women are sexually assaults at how men
are constantly like we can't walk aroundor we can't just be present without some
type of man touching us, whichis very much true and it is very
much an issue. However, whatis not talked about enough is when it

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is the opposite. So there istwo young men, one of them being
an actor and the other one I'massuming he just has some sort of social
media platform where he has, youknow, some power behind his name.
So Tyler James issues an apology toMichael Rainey Junior after his sister inappropriately touches

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him. She walked up to thisman while on Tyler James Live. He
was live streaming. There were threeyoung little girls standing right in front of
them. Might I add, shewalks up to Michael Rainey Jr. And
she grabs him, sears, gropinghim in his area and you can see

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it on his face, legs.He looked really uncomfortable and he pushed her
hand away and she still was trying. And I just I don't see.
In my personal opinion on this islike if this would have been the other
way around, that man would havebeen charged for two different types of things.

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Okay, not only did she grabhim that was a sexual assault,
but she sexually assaulted him in frontof three young children while on live stream,
and she she did not get chargedfor it. There was no nothing,
none of that nothing. She justslap on the rest. Well,

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I mean, I'm not surprised me. People don't take uh, people don't
take it seriously when it's a man. I mean, that's just that's a
common thing. They don't take it. They don't take it seriously, Dante.
I'm not surprised, are you,Uh no, not really. But

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people were even seemingly questioning like,well, why didn't he push her off?
Maybe he like it, you know, like maybe he just froze.
Now imagine saying imagine like never mind, go ahead. Yeah, I just
think that it's I think it's unfortunate. I think, you know, he
looked very uncomfortable, as he should. He obviously wasn't expecting that. That's

(30:59):
obviously not why he why you know, why he was there. He was
supposed to be there for, youknow, streaming with his friend. You
know. You know, this goesback to something mom and grandma used to
always say, you know, youdon't want to go over over everybody's house,
you know. I thought about that. It was like, yeah,
definitely used to be like, nah, you ain't going over there. You

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can't. You don't want to goto everybody's house. And I just I
don't know, man, I thoughtthat was her behavior was reprehensible, and
I thought her brother's behavior through thatwas reprehensible too, Like somebody come to
your house, and this happened tothem as egregious in my opinion, you
know what I'm saying, Like,somebody come to my house and get assaulted

(31:42):
by somebody else that lives in myhouse. But that is that's it has
to be awful for the homeowner,right right, right right, So yeah,
I mean and in so many areasthat's there's issues right there. But

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he did he did push her handaway. He did push her hand away.
I don't know what all these viewerswere viewing, but he pushed her
hand away. And what a lotof people were commenting because you cause,
you know how when when a womanis like, you know, sexually assaulted,
or when somebody not even just awoman, when somebody is something happened,

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and even though they're like uncomfortable orwhatever the cases, or they're angry,
upset, but they're they're smiling inthe midst of the moment type of
thing. And like so he pushedher hand away, and he looked over
to the gentleman across the room,and they're like they like gave a little
laugh because it was like an uncomfortablething, and people were just like,
why is he smiling about it?He ain't bothered by it? Like yo,

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he put his hands over in frontof his area and pushed her hand
away. He's smiling because he's uncomfortable. What's he supposed to do in the
middle of a live stream? LikeI just my personal opinion. Like ladies,
y'all, y'all a little too touchyfeely. Have some self respect and
respect for others. If you wishfor that for a man, for these

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men out here to respect you,you need to do the same as well.
Right right, you got anything else? Are you good? I think
I'm good on that? All right, stay tuned. We have Dante's Hotes
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whether you like it or not,it's Dante's Hot Takes on the ut Lawns
Radio show in the same vein asthe last segment. This is a happier
outcome, but a story that shouldnot have ever happened. Terrence Shannon,

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junior, former Texas Tech basketball player, former Illinois basketball player, now looking
to get drafted, one of thebest players in this upcoming draft, was
just acquitted on rape charges. Uhjust yesterday where the girl that he that

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accused him of raping her basically lied. She flat out lied and it was
a money scam. So uh.Terrence Shannon started his career with Texas Tech
and then he uh transferred, asa lot of college athletes do. He
transferred to Illinois and in twenty twentythree, at in Illinois versus Kansas football

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game, a woman alleged that hegrabbed her inappropriately and then forcibly penetrated her
against her will. She said noone else was able to corroborate the story
except for her best friend, andthe prosecutor had pretty good evidence that this

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was a bad case, but stillchose to prosecute this young man. He
was arrested in December. His careerwas almost taken from him, but he
had to sue and was able toget an injunction. So that he could
still be eligible and play basketball forthe school, and he played with this

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over his head for pretty much theentire season. In NCAA tournament, he
will go to away arenas and wascalled a rapist and all kinds of vile
things, all kinds of vile things. While this while he was still of
course, on trial for his life, and he didn't do it. Uh.

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Text messages surfaced throughout the trial ofthe girl and her best friend,
the only one who could corroborate thestory, and one of the messages said,
haha, girl, we got him, and the response was a bunch
of dollar signs. Another one saidwhen should you report the When are you

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gonna say that he got you?Should you wait until he's in maybe?
And then the response was maybe Ishould wait until he's in the NBA.
There was another one after he wasarrested that said it won't be long until
it won't belong now, and thenthe response was more dollar signed emojis.

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So it's very clear what this was. They targeted him, They lied about
him because they knew two things.They knew that they could be believable sympathetic
victims, and they knew they couldpossibly get paid out of this. Oh
and the third thing, they knewthat there would be no consequences, and

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that is the problem. There arenever consequences for false allegations of rape and
sexual assault, and we know that. Unfortunately, too often rape and sexual
assault doesn't go reported, and alot of times when it does get reported,

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it's not believed. This is why, because you have a high profile
case where a victim flat out liesfor a very clear motive. I remember
in twenty seventeen, a former OhioState football player, Briontay Dunn was arrested

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and charge of rape, and thatwoman lied because she had a vendetta against
him. The prosecutor knew that herstory was fabricated, offered Briontay done a
pleat deal because he wanted a trophybecause he was planning to run for office.

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He wanted a trophy. Brionta donedecline, and so he prosecuted him.
Now the truth came out and hewas acquitted. It almost bankrupted him
because legal defense is not cheap.But fortunately he did not go to prison

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for that. So this happens,and usually when it's found that the woman
live, it's usually a high profilecase which puts just a little bit of
doubt in the back of people's mindswhen they hear sexual assault or rape or
did this really happen? Or no, how come you didn't tell anybody?
And this makes it bad for peoplewho actually have survived these crimes. There

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needs to be consequences for false allegations, especially when there is a clear motive.
I don't know how you would adjudicatea consequence if the woman maintains that
this actually happens, but there's justnot enough evidence to convict, because we
know sometimes people do get away withcrime. But when there is a clear,

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a clear motive that they did thisbecause either they don't like this person
or because they figured that they couldget a payday, they need to there
needs to be a consequence levied here. I completely agree. I think,
in my opinion, whatever the consequencethat that person would have had to suffer

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if it were true, is theconsequence that the person who lied should have
to suffer. That's what I think. I like, Robin, what do
you think? Uh? Yeah,I absolutely agree. It's too often does
this happen. I've seen it.I've seen it so many times where a

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lot of innocent men like their livesare basically destroyed due to these false allegations,
and it's not fair. It's notfair because then they're looked at for
the rest of their life like there'ssome type of monster and they're they're innocent.
Where it's hard for where it's ontheir record, you know what I
mean, it's hard for them toget it into places like jobs or people.

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If people look them up they're like, oh, this is on your
record. They're side eyeing them,you know what I mean. Like,
so you never know. So whenyou do see individuals, when you see
men and they're like, oh,you see it on their record, and
it's like, well, did thisreally happen? Oh, or he he's
a predator or he did this,like did it really happen? You don't

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even know if he really is orhe isn't like, and it's hard to
tell. So yeah, I absolutelyagree. I agree with both of you,
and there should be consequences for femaleswho do falsely accuse Dantine him.
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