Ep. 406 - The team's dedication to Darvio's dad, interview with DigitalC CEO Joshua Edmonds and more

The whole team is back for the first time since the passing of Darvio's father. They open up the show with reflections on Darvio's dad. Later in the show Joshua Edmonds from DigitalC stops by to talk about their new Canopy service and the importance of bringing internet to underserved communities and more. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:34):
The charge for the out.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Walking to the Outlaws.

Speaker 7 (01:38):
This is Darrioda Kingpenmorrow alongside Robin o'mellley and Dante Bright.
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Speaker 4 (01:48):
Instagram at the Outlaws Radio. I am really, really, really
glad to be back with the Found the Gangs all here.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
This is the first episode that we've done with all
three of us here since my father's passing. So I'll
I'll address that in a little bit. We also have
an interview that we're gonna get to a little bit
later on in the show. But before we kick everything off,

(02:20):
let's check in with my.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
People, as we always do. Miss O'Malley, how are you.

Speaker 8 (02:26):
I'm good. I'm good, you know, just it's good. It's good.
I've been on mommy mommy duty's, you know, trying to
be out here, not trying to kick nobody's kids butt
or nothing. I'm joking. I'm joking, but.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
You know, you know, I'm good. How about this? Just
know this.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
I just want to send a message with anybody who
out there, who's this man who kids make one think
they want to pick on our people, They're gonna have
a problem because we don't play that from around here.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I better get y'all. Better make sure y'all know when
y'all kids.

Speaker 7 (03:09):
Y'all better make sure y'all get y'all kids together, or
it's gonna be some smoke in the city.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
As they used to.

Speaker 8 (03:16):
Yeah and shout out. Shout out to Darvo, shout out
to Darvy O. My baby had a little bully situation
going on in DARVYO. He pulled up, you know, so
I appreciate that you.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Already know, girl, you already know. I ain't even tell
her either of y'all.

Speaker 9 (03:31):
I was.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
We were talking on the phone. I said. She was
telling me the situation, and I said, what time you
what time your kids get out of school? And I
asked her again right like.

Speaker 7 (03:43):
And I didn't know if she was gonna catch on
to what I was doing, but I was asking just
to be sure.

Speaker 8 (03:47):
I said, wait, what time did you say?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Okay? I said, all right, I'm gonna call you. I said,
I'm gonna call you to check back again with you.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
What she didn't know is I was gonna call her
to be like, where you are because I'm already at
the corner.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
I was out there.

Speaker 8 (04:05):
I was out there before you are, Before I even
got there. I was like, dang, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Me and my mama was in the car, like what.

Speaker 8 (04:17):
And you know what my daughter she was. She stopped
and she looked at me. She goes, she said, Mommy,
I'm appreciative all of all of you guys for being
there for me. I really, I really am thankful.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
And I was like, oh, that's what's up, man, that's
what's up? You tell you tell her. I got her back,
and it's a whole bunch of people that got her back.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
If I had to cost some more cavalry, we're gonna
come in a couple of cars beat you know.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
So we do what we gotta do and teach all
kids to stop bullying.

Speaker 7 (04:59):
To stop bullying. That's right, to stop bullying, because some
some of us don't play that.

Speaker 8 (05:06):
So you might want to kids and you don't know
who did the kid is that your child is bullying.
You don't know who they are. You know, you don't
know any of the situations.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
So exactly, so you want to make sure that your
kids get a nice tall glass to act right.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
You know what I'm saying. Don say how you doing, sir?

Speaker 9 (05:29):
I'm doing good. I'm I was listening to this story.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I just don't.

Speaker 9 (05:34):
It's it's wild to me that parents.

Speaker 10 (05:36):
Are not active in their kids life. So they you know,
they don't know that their kids out here basically being
a menace.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
But that's terrible, you.

Speaker 10 (05:48):
Know, Robin telling us a backstory like these are kids
that are older than her daughter, and you know why, man,
like what what what is going on so bad that
you feel like you need to pick on somebody that's
smaller than you, that's younger than you, Like, come on, man,
like we we should be past this.

Speaker 9 (06:06):
But again, you know, parents, parents got to be involved.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
Could you imagine our mother's being so disconnected from our
lives when we was kids that they had no idea.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
What we were doing?

Speaker 9 (06:21):
No, And I mean, you know, kids do their dirt, but.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (06:29):
Man, My heart goes out to kids that get bullied
for a long period of time or even just a.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Short period of time, because you know, it's serious.

Speaker 10 (06:36):
You know, when you Robin, you know how old Robin's
daughter is or you know, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade, right,
you think the whole world revolved, your entire life revolves
around you know, what.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Happens at school and on the walk home.

Speaker 10 (06:50):
Yeah, they don't see that, like you know, this isn't
this is not your whole life, right, Like they can't
see but fifteen minutes in front of their face when
they're fullied, they don't, you know, they don't realize like
you know, this isn't, this isn't everything.

Speaker 9 (07:07):
They don't see that and they don't understand that.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
So you know, that's why you have.

Speaker 10 (07:11):
I mean, there have been children that have committed suicide.
And I'm not saying that this could go this far right,
but I mean kids have committed suicide over being bullied
at that. This isn't it's not just like old fight back, although.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
I do believe in that.

Speaker 10 (07:27):
Fortunately, you know, fortunately Robin didn't have to put her
hands on no kids. But no, I'm not opposed to
that either, especially.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Neither neither of I. Especially as we were talking about
before the show. You know, some of these kids is
gang banging and got off of that.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
So like, hey, if you if you come and you
act like you bought it by it, I'm gonna believe you.

Speaker 10 (07:54):
I believe you because if you're over the age of
eleven and you taller than five eight, oh, I believe you.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
I know you've got a gun.

Speaker 10 (08:04):
I know, like these these young boys be dressed up.
Oh yeah, I believe you got you got tattoos at twelve.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Oh yeah, I know you bought them.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
So so then I'm gonna treat you accordingly.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
You know what I'm saying, Because I'm going home, I'm
gonna mega homes.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm gonna treat you accordingly.

Speaker 11 (08:23):
But it.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
But it is like and like you said, man like,
I mean, we did our dirt, but it wasn't like
our mothers were completely uninvolved, right right, Like I couldn't
imagine that. Like like you were saying before the show started,
kids to be outside all times of time at night
and they like, were.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Your mama mad? Like you outside right now? You out
hanging at the corner right.

Speaker 8 (08:50):
When my mama would be like she would hop I
woll used to have like a little huffy bike, and
if I was not home at a certain time, you know,
when the street lights came out, my mother would pop
on my huffy bike and she would come hunt me
down there and she would chase me in circles around
my group of friends. Listen, and if a kid was

(09:13):
in the school bullying one of us, my mam would
walk up in the school and she stepped to the
kid's faith and she would she will go off.

Speaker 10 (09:20):
On them, embarrassing if your mom got it, if you
thought you was out late and your mom got to
come find you, or you get suspended. I had one
of those where I I didn't call myself, I'm not
gonna come. I get suspended my mom, Like you need
to come home, and I'm like, nah, I ain't gonna
come home.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Oh dog, that's your parents tell you to go home.
Thet it go home because if she got you, oh
that's embarrassing. Don't do it.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
Embarrassing. Like I think I still have PTSD from it.

Speaker 9 (09:52):
And looking back though, we really we recognized.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Now that's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 10 (09:56):
I'm glad that my mother cared enough about me to
come up to the school when I was acting a
full Yes, looking back, like a lot of my friends,
they ain't had their parents weren't on them.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
Their parents weren't on their back like that, right, and
it makes a difference.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
I can tell you, guys, you know, Dante, exactly what
you're talking about. Well, there's a there's what situations that
I have dealt with, you know, back when my son
was younger, were a lot of the times like principals,
assistant principles teachers, and they would all tell me thank you,
because I would still reprimand my son, Like if he

(10:34):
was in the wrong, I would reprimand him. I'd come
up to the school. They've talked to him on the
phone or whatever the case is, Like I would always
reprimand him. If he was in the wrong, and they
would say thank you, because you know, that's what they're
accustomed to, is a lot of parents not doing that.
They would be like, oh, not mine, not mine, or
what you want me to do or whatever the cases.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
They would not do that, yeah, because that's not good either,
like you have to and and my parents was always
like this, if you right, you right.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
If you're wrong, you wrong, Yep, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
So if you was right. Anytime I'm getting to fight, right,
my father would ask me two questions.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Did you start it?

Speaker 7 (11:20):
No, I ain't started you know what I'm saying, because
make sure you ain't out there bullying people.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Did you start to fight? No, I didn't start it.
Did you win? Yeah? I won? Okay, I'm cool. And
then he kept me like that was it? That was it.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
The two questions my father asked me anytime I was
getting to fight at school was what did you start it?

Speaker 9 (11:40):
Like?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Was it your fault? And did you win?

Speaker 8 (11:43):
And that sounds a lot like what Dante was saying,
doesn't it.

Speaker 9 (11:47):
Yes, like this this comes from a place like you
should never be but you should never be a book.

Speaker 10 (11:56):
But you know, my mom even used to tell me,
like make sure you swing first, like don't go out
there and but don't let nobody get off on you
like that. You don't know, don't The last thing you want,
the last thing you want is for somebody to swing
on you first and knock you out, and knock you out,
swing first, you get off first, but you know, don't

(12:17):
don't take a whooping, but don't. But you know when
it's about to go there, right y'all here just you know,
picking on people to start fights.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
But that's one thing that I absolutely hate. I absolutely
hate a bully. Yeah, me too, Me too.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
In one of these days, we're gonna because all three
of us have been through some stuff. Me and I
died have been through quite a bit of stuff. So
one of these days we gotta trade. We're gonna trade
some war stories on this show. We're gonna trade some
school or we're gonna be here for hours.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Because we all we just see something. So we'll do that.
But before we get to the interview, we're gonna.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Do this segment, take a break, and then we'll have
an interview with Joshua Evans from Digital c When we
come back, and those guys are doing some very very
important work, some very good work. So definitely want you
guys to stay tuned for that. But before we do that,

(13:19):
like I said at the top of the show, this
is the first episode with all of us together since
the passing of my father, and I just wanted to
take a couple of minutes just to kind of talk
about it.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
What a lot of people probably.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
Don't know unless you unless you know a little bit
about the inner workings of the company here at FCP.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
My father was very involved with the company. My father
was very helpful with the company.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
There were times, especially early on, where you know, my
father literally and figuratively helped.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Keep the doors open at the company.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
My father and I, for for people, I mean you've
if you've seen in social media, you know this, But
for people who haven't, like my.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Father and I were very close. That was like my
best friend, you know what I mean. We would go
out and kick it together and hang out together, talk.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
On the phone with Brown's games, and cut the team
out when they was messing up and all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
We had a very very good, strong bond.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
And what was interesting to me, I was telling my
team a little bit of this before the show that
I went out with one of my father's friends after
my father passed and we had a conversation, and you know,
he told me that he would have conversations with my
father and would say, you know, you don't know how

(15:09):
lucky you are to have a son.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
That you can go kick it with.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
And man, when he said I was like, wow, Like
I've never really thought about it like that, because it was.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Just normal for me, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
And you know, of course, you know, my father and
I we've had our ups and downs and stuff like it,
like every parent and child has, especially father and son.
The father and son dynamic. It is unique at times,
but you know, for the most part, like my dad,
like I said, my dad and I were very close.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
He was very involved. He was very proud of what
we were doing here.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
He would tell everybody about it, like he wouldn't go
anywhere without telling people about it. He would make me
give him a card, even if it was like one
of those times where I was just trying to chill
out and not really want to be on go mode,
you know what I'm saying. But he would talk about
it all the time. He went with us on some
of the work trips.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
That's when him and Robin bonded.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
When we made Robin drive through this through a storm
and we all fell asleep in the car and it
was just robbing and my father that was.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Up, you know, he was He was a good dude.

Speaker 10 (16:29):
Man.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
He was a good dude. And I wanted to.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
Make sure that I took some time on this show,
this show that, like I said, he was very proud of.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
To just you know, say a little words about it. Also,
I want to say this as well.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
I want to shout out my people, my team MATH
for coming through and having my back during that. Both
of y'all was at the funeral, Robin came to the
repass Robin and her mother.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
This was the first time her mother got a.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
Crash course in black church experience, the first time she
had been in a black church.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Because we had the we had the funeral at my
childhood church.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
It was my father's childhood churches where my father was baptized,
where I was baptized. It's like the family church. I
don't go there anymore. I go to a different church,
but that was like the that still was like the
family church. So so we had the funeral there and
everything like that. And I also want to send a

(17:42):
shout out just to everybody who has sent me messages
and letters and texts and and all of that for condolences.
I really appreciate that this is something that you can't
really prepare for.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
You know, Robin knows this's problem, has been through this already.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
It does change you, you know, once you lose a parent,
and you know, it's not the easiest thing in the
world obviously to deal with, especially when somebody you were
close to.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
So I want to I haven't had an opportunity.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
To publicly say thank you to everybody, so I want
to take the time now to say thank you to
everybody who have been been supportive. And also, like I said,
I want to thank my team. I want to thank
y'all for backing me up on this as well. Man,
I appreciate it from both of y'all.

Speaker 10 (18:49):
Always always your father, I'll tell you this all the
time that your father reminds me, reminded me so much
of my granddad.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
My granddad was a little bit older than him, Pops,
but he reminded me so much of it.

Speaker 10 (19:04):
Just like funny but could give you like a gym
or two if you're paying attention, and could get serious
if you're paying attention. But really, the thing that really
makes me most sad is like we're losing so many
ogs before they work is done in my opinion, you

(19:25):
know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the thing that really
bothered me the most. Where it's like, man, you know
his work wasn't finished. Man, he had more lives to touch. Yeah,
that's the thing that you know. It's like, yeah, man,
he live a good life, but like it ain't not you. Man,
you got some more life to live. You know, you
got more people to more people to touch. And that's

(19:48):
the part that uh yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
The part that sucks to me.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
It's like, man, the time that I did get.

Speaker 10 (19:55):
To spend around your dad is like, man, he just
really reminded me you, oh my granddad. I could laugh
about it because like, yeah he definitely had I remember,
Robin may not like this, or maybe you could laugh
about it now.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
You know what I'm about to say. When he was
he was like Robbie, get some meat on your ball.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
He's skinny.

Speaker 10 (20:17):
And Robin was like you body shaming me? And Darthy
was like Robin, this is an older black man from
the south. He has no idea what body shame?

Speaker 4 (20:26):
He don't know.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
Oh that is exactly. Yeah, It's like he don't mean
no harm by it at all, of course not. It's
just stuff like that where I'm like, oh man, after.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
That, that is actually when me and him actually bonded.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
After that. Really, I'm glad it was like.

Speaker 8 (20:46):
Button heads because if you remember so originally I had
that trip is so memorable from the beginning all the
way to the very end. So how all you know,
how it started is me messing on my ankle yep.
And and so when we all had to drive or whatever,

(21:08):
and I'm over here like trying to pick myself up,
and he said, he said, ain't you gonna get the
bags or something like that, and I was like, I
can't what you know.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Like, so.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
We wasn't really off to the best start. I mean,
that wasn't the first time meeting him, but it was
our first time actually being around each other for such
a long period of time. And so when he had
said that to me, and I had took like offense
to it, and I'm like, all right, pull myself back.
Next thing, you know, on the way back home, were
cracking jokes and recording y'all to a seat snoring.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
Yeah, it was like it was funny too because like
like that I say, like you said, it was the
class of cultures, right, because it's like.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Body shame. They don't know what the hell had.

Speaker 10 (22:00):
That's a new twenty fifteen and beyond type thing, right,
like older.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
Blackben old enough because they've never heard of that before.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
And they.

Speaker 10 (22:16):
You not about to get them to change and be like,
oh my bad, okay, body shait, you ain't about to
that ain't happening.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
He was very.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
When he would say things. It wasn't out of being malicious, no,
And I had to learn that, you know what I mean,
because he was he was a very straight forward, just
very honest person. And so when he would say things
like you have to really know him to get it

(22:48):
and so like, but when he would say things after
getting to know him, he'd be having you cracking up
because he'd be saying the wildest things. And it was
just hilarious that all the time.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
And there's something there is something I think refreshing about
that level of honesty because we don't see that that
often anymore. Like, like Dante said, a lot of the
ogs are leaving us now, and the world that we
live in is so fake, you know what I'm saying,

(23:20):
And so it's it's refreshing to see something real like that.
There were times where he would say stuff that would
make me cribs, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
He was just a real He was a real dude,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
I remember, like you said about the gyms and stuff sometimes,
and but he was he would be so blunt with it.
I remember I was having a tough decision that I
had to make. I was at this this other media
company at the time, and they weren't treating me right,
and I was having a I was going back and
forth about whether I was gonna leave or not. So

(23:56):
I went over to my father's house and when me
and one of my homeboys went over there, and we
kicked it with him, and you know, had a couple
of drinks or whatever, and I was talking to him
and I asked him, I said, man, you know, this
is what I'm dealing with, and I'm agonizing over this decision,
right should I stay or should I go whatever?

Speaker 4 (24:14):
And I'm like, man, I don't really know what to do.
Blah blah, blah blah. My father was like, man, after.

Speaker 8 (24:20):
People, I could see him. I could just actually hear
him saying that when you said like, I could really
hear him.

Speaker 7 (24:28):
Saying and so then I will be like, well, yeah,
you know, because like I'm feeling like, you know, they
treat me like da da da dah. And then he
said again after him, and then I was still like
talk again and like that, I'm like, yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
And they really treat me like blah blah blah. He
told me said, I'm gonna tell you again after people.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
So it was like, okay, if you want to leave
me after people, I was like, all right, Dad, I
got it.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
You know what I'm saying. But he was just.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
He was he was real man, And I'll share this
like and I'm gonna share this this publicly. You know
there are times, especially like when you come from where
we come from and had the experiences that all three
of us in one way or another and had, you
want and you know this rob me with your dad
and Dante.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
You know that what your mom like.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
You want to give your your folks everything that they
didn't have. You want to give them everything, you want
to you want to pay them back for believing in
you right right, And there were times where like I
will always like because people who like really really know

(25:48):
me know that I'm nobody's harder on me than me.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
You know what I'm saying. I expect a lot of myself.
I expect a lot of like.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
The direction that I want to go and where, and
what we've built and what we're continuing to build.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I expect a lot out of me.

Speaker 7 (26:06):
And there were times where I would feel some type
of way because I would feel like like I like,
I haven't given you everything that I wanted to give you.
You know what I'm saying, That I haven't that I
didn't give you everything that I felt like you deserved.
And every time I would like get in those feelings,

(26:27):
my father would cuss me out. He would cuss me out,
and he would remind me, he was like, look at
what you've done, like and he talked about like the
trips and stuff that we would go on and I
would bring up with me. He said, I never would
have went to any of them in messing places if.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
It wasn't for you. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
Because my father was an old school you know, don
say you know how like old school black man.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
He's like, look, I'm this is where I live, this
is my city, this my Yeah, I'm cool. I got
my I go to I got my people I kick
it with. And that's it.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Like he never really had no interest in traveling. Had
he like I'm cool, this, I know my environment. I'm cool.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (27:14):
But as we started getting bigger and we would started,
you know, going to these different trips and things like that,
I would take him with me, and you know, so
he could see these different things.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
And I remember like when we were when me you robbing,
my mother, my cousin and my father.

Speaker 7 (27:33):
Was all sitting pool side at the window in Florida,
and then Robin went over there and flirted with the
pool boy to get him to keep the pool open.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Long.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
We sat at that pool longer, though, didn't we.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
So we gonna all sit there and kick it and drink,
and we were smoking cigars and robbing.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
We gave Robbing a cigar and she punked out out
and a.

Speaker 8 (28:03):
Man, listen, if I wasn't gonna be drinking with y'all,
that would have not had happened.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Nasty.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
We gotta get her We're gonna get her a lighter cigar.
We're gonna Dante. He told me the other day she's
willing to try it again.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
So so we got we're gonna.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
Get her a lighter, you know, more feminine cigar the
next time. Begiw we we are sitting and drinking and
smoke a cigar.

Speaker 8 (28:28):
However, I will say, at least my first time trying
a cigar.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
And going to Florida at that, that's true.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
We I got to endure that with your father getting
in with you guys, So that was definitely an experience. Uh,
that will forever be memorable.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
Yeah, that was That was a great time, man. And
so you know it's I ain't gonna lie to you
like it's been. And Robin you know this, and and
I mean and Dante you know it too, because you
lost your grandfather recently and y'all were very close.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Like you know, you have your you know, you have
your good days and your bad days and all of that.
And I'm you know, I have my good days and
my bad days.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
And and because you think about, like Dante said, like
you feel like man, it was man, it was so
much more, so many more things, I know, he wanted
to do, you know what I mean, so many more
things that we wanted to do together, so many more
things that I wanted to give him, because, like I said,
when you when you close to your people and your

(29:33):
people believe in you, you want to give them everything.
You want to give them every single thing that you
saw them sacrifice for you. You want to give them
every single thing. Like the I always talk about, like
the schools that I went to, the Christian schools that
I went to, and how it changed my life, Well
that was because of my parents. My parents made the decision.

(29:56):
And this was before like when I first started going
to school and it wasn't no vouchers. And then while
I was in the middle of the school, the vouchers came,
but the requirement was such that, like if you made
one hundred dollars over even though you were still you
were still struggling, you didn't qualify for the vouch. So

(30:17):
we my family had to pay for my school out
of pocket from kindergarten all the way through the twelfth
you know what I'm saying, And like that was the
decision that my parents made. And I remember my mother
wanted me to go to private school.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
In the first place.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
And my father at first, of course, you know him
working working for the school district and stuff, the public
school district.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
He was like, nah, you know what I'm saying. He
was like, well, let me go to.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
Some of the top schools in the city. And so
he went to the top school. And he used to
tell the story all the time. He went to the
top school, the best school in the city at that time,
and he saw and in his words, he said, I
saw this kid getting ass will and the teacher's aide
was standing right next to him and not doing anything

(31:05):
about it. And my father said, he said, I saw that,
and I was like, oh, hell nah. He was like,
he said, I'll f around and lose my job. So
he left that school called my mother said put him
in private school. And that literally, that one decision that

(31:29):
my parents made changed my entire life. Not only just
talking about the education that I got. It goes even
deeper than that, because one of the things that we
talk about all the time when it comes to school
and school choice and why it's important is because it's
not just the education, although the education is important, but

(31:50):
also the social circle too. Later on in life, my
first access to the political world. When I first started
building relationships in the political world, the first door that
was opened for me was from a friend of mine
that I went to elementary school with. She was the

(32:13):
one who opened the door for me, you know what
I'm saying. And then I met somebody through her who
opened the door for me in media.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
That one decision, that one decision that my parents made together,
that one decision changed my whole life, you know what
I'm saying, because.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
That was the equalizer.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
I wouldn't know these people, being a poor black kid
from the hood, from inner city Cleveland, if I did
not go to the schools that I went to, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
If my parents did not struggle to pay for that
because they had to pay for it out of pocket.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
So you think about stuff like that, and my father,
of course he would he would brag about it after
I got older, after I graduated and stuff. But when
I was a kid, anytime I was messing up, the
way that he would get me to act right is
he would threaten to take me out like that was
his that was his stick, right, He said, you keep

(33:27):
capping up, I'm or take you out of school.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
And I'll send you to public school. And then by
that time, I was like that, I ain't trying to
go to the postchool. I'm cool right where I'm at now,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (33:38):
And so, but I think about that stuff, and he
would talk about it later and about how.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
How glad he was that.

Speaker 7 (33:47):
They made that decision to be able to see that
payoff in a direct way, Like it was literally a
direct way. Because the friend who gave me, he who
first gave me access to politics, was someone I never
would have known had I not went to the school
that they sent me to.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yep, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (34:13):
So he was he was very involved, like I said,
with the company he built basically himself. Our studio he built,
like he put the put the soundproofing on the walls,
put the towel on the whole, the whole thing, you

(34:36):
know what I'm saying. And because he was just one
of them, you know how you know how older black
man is. You know what I'm saying, Because I would tell.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
Him, I'll tell him that, and he said, man, f that.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Nobody to do. You know what I'm saying like I'm
gonna go and get this coffee. Good, do this myself,
you know what I mean? Look, Roger right right for it.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
Let's go right right, And it puts more meaning into
the dream.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, you know so.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
But like I said, man, I just wanted to take
this time, especially on this show, this first time I
was able to do it on the show, and I
didn't want to do it until all three of.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Us was back on. So I wanted to take this
time to.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
Say a few words man, And like I said, thank
everybody for all the support and everything that people have said,
and all the letters and the texts and and you know,
the cards and all of that. You know, I really
absolutely appreciate it. And you know that means more more
to mean thing you guys would ever know. So thank

(35:50):
you to everybody who's been very supporting.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
During this time.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
All right, So when we come back, we are going
to go to our interview with Joshua Ed.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Stay tuned. You're listening to the Outlaws.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
Real talk, real conversations.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
We got the heat.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, this is the Outlaws Radio show. Welcome back, going back.

Speaker 7 (36:22):
You're listening to the Outlaws, and now we have a
special interview with Joshua m As, the CEO of Digital
c I.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Want you try to check this out. You know, they're
doing a lot of very very important work.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
Bringing inexpensive Internet to areas of the community that need
it the most.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
As we know, like these days, internet is no longer.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
A luxury, it's a necessity, you know what I mean.
We definitely learned that during the pandemic. So you know,
they're doing a lot of really really good work and
I won't try to learn more about them, and so
we're gonna go to that interview right now. All right,
we have a very special guest on the show today.
He's been on this show before ahead of Digital Seed.

(37:12):
Joshua Evans.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Welcome back. How you doing, sir.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
I'm well, I'm glad to be back.

Speaker 13 (37:17):
Thankful for another opportunity to share the good news about
Digital CEE and what we're doing over here.

Speaker 7 (37:21):
Absolutely absolutely, man, you got a lot of good stuff
going on.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
So we'll start here.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
Let's start with the nuts and bolts first and then
we'll kind of, you know, add a little bit of
the background as well. Talk a little bit about Canopy
introduced at what is it? How can people sign up?
All that kind of stuff.

Speaker 13 (37:39):
So Canopy is our Internet service provider at Digital Seed.
We like to say Canopy because we got you covered
and the Canopy the service for Internet's only eighteen dollars
a month, and that is our price locked eighteen dollars.
This isn't something that you know every six months or so,
we're going to change the price. Now it's eighteen dollars
for the next five years, and then after that we'll

(38:00):
change the price only for inflation. So for the next
ten years are leasing to less than twenty dollars a
month for Cleveland households. Now, the reason why this is
unique is the fact that typically Internet that we're rolling out,
especially at eighteen dollars a month at one hundred download
one hundred upload, typically companies will go to the suburbs
first make their money and then attempt to invest in Cleveland.

(38:21):
We're investing in this Cleveland first, so Cleveland residents are
getting something that no one else has anywhere else in
the country. This offer does not exist anywhere else. We're
doing it first here in Cleveland, and then we'll expand
and grow beyond Cleveland. So you know, in order to
take advantage of that, you got to call it two
one six seven seven seven three eight five nine.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
That is our number.

Speaker 13 (38:40):
In addition to that, our website www dot digitalc dot org.
That's another way you can get signed up. You can
even sign up online without even talking to us. You
can sign up directly from our website, or you can
call that number, or you can even come down to
sixty ninth and you could at the Midtown tech Hive
that's our headquarters. We'll sign you up even here, I mean,
wherever you go, we're here and we're willing to sign

(39:00):
people up because we believe in this product that much.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
Absolutely, And talk a little bit about the importance of
the connectivity. I mean, we saw during the pandemic, you know,
how the internet has went from being a luxury to
a necessity.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Really, talk a little.

Speaker 7 (39:20):
Bit about the importance of being able to have that
access and have that connectivity.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
You know, it means the world to really everybody at
this point.

Speaker 13 (39:31):
I mean, the Internet is the gateway to opportunity, and
I think that that needs to be stated often because
when people do not have the Internet, they don't have
the opportunity sometimes to apply for jobs online, to do
research on really on anything. I mean we use the
Internet for so many different things now that without that

(39:53):
you're essentially shut out of opportunity. And so, yes, the
pandemic really co sign it. But I think that after
the pandemic, in this post pandemic world, we're seeing a
greater reliance on digital Through the pandemic, you weren't hearing
things like generative AI and chat gpets. You weren't hearing
things like that. But now all of a sudden, you're
seeing this enablement.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
Of the future.

Speaker 13 (40:14):
You're hearing more things about quantum, this quantum that that
the Internet is the enablement of that future. So therefore,
without the Internet for residents, namely in Cleveland, but even
across the country, black and brown communities, not having access
to the Internet, that is the next wave of inequity
that will further exacerbate some of our existing systemic inequities

(40:36):
that we've already had to navigate. Without the Internet, we
were just going to see another wave of disenfranchisement and
disinvestment to the scales of which I don't even want
to calculate. So it's necessary, it's absolutely needed. This cell
phone is not enough. You need that home internet experience.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Right, absolutely, And I really want to dig a little
bit more into that as well, because I mean, I remember,
you know, hearing stories of parents having to take their
children to Walmarts and McDonald's parking lots using Wi Fi
in order to be able to get work done. And

(41:18):
as everything becomes, you know, more and more a digital
world and going more and more in that direction. Talk
a little bit about why it was important for you
all to invest in Cleveland and not do like you said,
a lot of the other companies do, where they go
make their money in the suburbs and then maybe try

(41:38):
to do a little bit.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
In the city. Why was it important for you all
to be in the city first?

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Uh, you know, it's important for us because we are
We're Cleveland. We were that with pride. I mean, over
half our.

Speaker 13 (41:51):
Team lives in the city of Cleveland, myself included. I
don't know how many other telecom CEOs live in Cleveland,
but I'm a proud one and I believe that within
Cleveland's DNA, it allows us to have that story. I mean,
we are not the Goliath of a company. We are
David trying to figure this stuff out in.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
A land of Goliath.

Speaker 13 (42:11):
And I think that Cleveland has a really great story,
whether it's the being that comeback city, the city that
everyone overlooked, the city that they thought that we could
do this or we can do that, and yet we're
still standing and thriving. And I think that being able
to orient ourselves and probably proclaim that Cleveland is doing this,
I think that means something that's sending a very clear

(42:32):
message that this next generation doesn't have to grow up
with the mistake on the Lake as a brand, that
this is actually a land of opportunity that people do
invest here. And you know, we got you know, there's
some phenomenal young scholars within the school district and one,
if not you know, one hundred or one thousand, I

(42:54):
don't know how many are going to be very very successful.
And I want them to see that investment in Cleveland
it's greater investment so that they that way they'll do
the same. So I would say that this isn't just
about the Internet, This isn't just about the digital divide.
This is about showing ways that a black lat telecom
company can beat the odds, and that is something that

(43:14):
is uniquely Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Absolutely absolutely, We're talking with Joshua Evans, head of Digital.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
C So, going back to Canopy, talk a little bit
about I'm sure that you've heard you guys are already
signing up people. I know that you've probably had great
feedback from some of your customers. Talk a little bit
about how they're lacking the product, how they enjoying the product,
and especially for many of them, it may be their

(43:42):
first time being able to access the Internet on a
significant scale like that, not just as you said, not
just on the phone, but actually really being able to use.

Speaker 13 (43:53):
Yeah, you know, I'll orient this by saying, at one point,
the people who said we could not do this, they
would often say that our technology could not penetrate the
tree canopy.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
So that's why we named our product Cannon.

Speaker 13 (44:08):
In addition to us naming it Canopy, we were also
able to when as you've been connecting people the way
that they've been embracing us, engaging with us. I mean,
we've done and value head of Cheaper, who's our Cheaper
marketing communication, has done a great job of highlighting these narratives,
the customer testimonials. I mean, you're going to see so
many people from the neighborhoods where it's a point of pride,

(44:32):
and then at one point it was, well, we're not
sure if this works too man. I've told everybody there
is a point of pride when we go to a
certain section of Glenville or huff and we see six
or seven homes on a street in a row, all
having our service. And these are the people. These are
early adopters. We just rolled this stuff out. It's the
fact that we can send out a correspondence, a flyer,

(44:54):
a postcard, whatever, and you have hundreds and hundreds of
people joining our weightlists looking to be connected. I mean,
the need is there, the support is there, the love
is there. So oftentimes in Cleveland, it's so difficult to
scale things here because you've got people who are focusing
on all these other things. But it's the fact that
people see this, they're taking advantage of it.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
They love it. Certain families who had very slow speeds.

Speaker 13 (45:19):
If you're one of those households where it doesn't matter
what your internet provider tells you, and they're saying, oh,
you're getting gigabit speeds and you never feel it. Yeah,
that's where we come in because our product that we've
been able to offer not only just the download speeds,
but the upload speeds and our society we don't talk
about the upload speeds.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
The upload speeds.

Speaker 13 (45:37):
Are what is needed if you are working from home,
if you are streaming anything, or if you have all
these different kids who want to you know, some and
so is playing the game over here, this other person,
the other babies on TikTok trying to upload something because.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
They're a creator, you need the upload speeds.

Speaker 13 (45:54):
We have some of the fastest upload speeds in Cleveland
paired with some of the fastest download speeds at the
same time. And to be able to deliver a winning
product like that, I mean, we've been greeted with residents
with tears.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Residents have came over that.

Speaker 13 (46:05):
They they've even said, hey man, I saw that you
put my kid in in a commercial.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
I really appreciate that. Thank you. So this is really
a communal list.

Speaker 13 (46:13):
And people feel that when you operate in that energy,
the way they reciprocate the love in Cleveland it's like
no other place on earth.

Speaker 7 (46:21):
Absolutely, And as you were talking, you know, one thing
that really came to my mind that I would I
would love to secure you speak.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
On is just talk about the journey. I know that
you know now this product is out in the market.
But talk a little bit.

Speaker 7 (46:38):
About the journey to getting that product, Like, what are
some of the things that you guys had to deal
with had to go through in order to be able
to present something like that to the community.

Speaker 13 (46:53):
You know, I think it's it's it's it's it's it's
a point of pride, man, Like, we feel proud to
be doing what we're doing. We feel proud to be
able to say to the community that this isn't something
that you heard me say earlier.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
There are no shortcuts.

Speaker 13 (47:07):
I mean, we've had to learn how to build this network.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
This isn't like.

Speaker 13 (47:13):
One of those cricket wireless type things where we were
purposing this for one demographic. No, this is meant to
be for everybody. We're not repurposing existing network. We are
building this from the ground up. And while I know
people don't understand the difficulty of that, all the engineering
hours that go into that, and all the times we
got something wrong, we're figuring that out. I mean, I

(47:35):
think that those are the stories that again it's uniquely
Cleveland where we say we got out the mud, and
we did we got this out the mud. We built
this thing from nothing to now being able to cover
north of forty thousand households with this service and have
a full city wide network by June of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
I mean, that's a point of pride. And again we
came from no.

Speaker 13 (48:00):
Own network whatsoever being built to legitimately building this thing
and now to see it, you know, competing within the
neighborhoods where we had to earn the business of residents.
That's just a completely different shift. And that came from
the fact that this is an earned opportunity, you know,
to I know that when Lebron was here the last time,
it was like Cleveland, you know, it's a city where

(48:22):
nothing is given and everything is earned, and that is
what we feel like this opportunity is. And you know,
at the same time, again we came from nothing. We've
really been able to build this into something that I
think is going to alter the way that not only Cleveland,
not only Ohio, but the way America thinks about telecommunications.
We are a disruptive company headquartered in Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Absolutely. I love that. I love that.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
So what is what's your what's your vision? What's the
overall goal for Canopy? Where are you guys going, What's
the vision.

Speaker 13 (48:59):
The vision in one you know, we're never going to
forget this Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
That is our baby, that is our home, that is
our crown jewel.

Speaker 13 (49:08):
So we're gonna build out Cleveland and build out Cleveland
so good that you know, we know that when you
do good things, you're oftentimes rewarded.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
With more good things.

Speaker 13 (49:18):
And so with that, we do have a goal of
expanding this this network and expanding this model. I believe
that the digital divide is legitimately beatable. I think that
this is something that if people are willing to learn
from Cleveland, that the Cleveland model for digital equity would
be something that is not just exported nationally.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
But globally. There's a global digital divide.

Speaker 13 (49:40):
Cleveland has some of the same digital equity challenges that
you will see in Africa and other parts of the
world where there are digital halves and digital have nots.
We are that we are that digital equity equalizer to
some extent. We're building a disruptive model that is scalable
and all the lessons that we learn here are applicable everywhere,
and so I do see that this is something that

(50:00):
can grow and scale well beyond Cleveland. But to quote
an old African adage, no matter how far a river
runs and never forgets its source. And so no matter
how much we scale this network, Cleveland is going to
be the thing that we're always going pointing to.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
We're gonna do this with love and pride.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Absolutely, absolutely, And one more time, Man, let everybody know
if they want to sign up for Canopy, how they
can do that, where they can go to get more
information and all that good stuff.

Speaker 13 (50:29):
Yeah, So in order to sign up for Canopy, you
can do it one of three ways. One you can
call it two one six seven seven seven three eight
five nine, and you can speak to representative. In addition
to that, you can go to www dot digitalc dot org.
There you can sign up for Canopy. You can even
schedule your own installation from our our in house install team.

(50:51):
And the last one, you can come to the Midtown
Tech high that's sixty ninth in Euclid and you can
sign up there.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I'm here, our entire team is here. We are local,
we are and we look forward to earning your business.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
Man, thanks so much much for coming back on the
show and spending some time with us, Man and telling
us about the good stuff that y'all working on.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Man, You're doing some really good work man, and I
appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
No, thank you, appreciate the exposure of the visibility and
the love.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Stay tuning. We have Tea Time with Ro coming up
next here on the Outlaws.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
This is the Outlaws Radio Show.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
Welcome back, Welcome back you listening to the Outlaws, And
now was the time of the show that we like
to call Tea Time with Ro.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Turn it up, don't see up, confectation, the latest celebrity
news and gossip. It's Tea Time with Roe on the
Outlaws Radio Show.

Speaker 8 (51:49):
All right, jaw, welcome back to Tea Time. So here
on Tie Time today. So normally I will speak on
a lot of celebrity things and I will touch on
a little tad bit of it, but we're gonna shift
it a little bit today. So I will start off
with everybody is speaking about the whole p Diddy thing

(52:11):
Puff Daddy. However, you may know who he is. He
has been in the music industry for decades, what since
the early wet nineties and yeah nineties, So people may
or may may or may not know. There's a lot

(52:33):
of details going on with that story. I don't want
to go into like depth with it, but he has
some things going on. So but everybody keeps speaking about
him and about what's going on, and that is very important. Yes,
what he is, what allegedly that he has done, I
can't really say for sure because there I mean, yes,

(52:55):
there's things out there that prove things that he has done,
but there needs to be more detail on that.

Speaker 10 (53:01):
Now.

Speaker 8 (53:01):
What that being said is there is also things that's
not being spoken about in the media in the world,
things that are just like pushed to the back burner
that should have been talked about and brought to light.
For prime examples, there was just an innocent man in
the state of Missouri that they just executed and he

(53:24):
was completely innocent, and nobody I literally did not see
very many people other than on social media here and
there that was talking about it. Like there's things like
that that needs to be discussed when there was proof
that he was not present during the time of the
incident that he is being accused of.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
So there's a lot to unpack there. There's a couple
of things I want to that I want to address.
One on a puffy situation. I read the indictment if now, obviously,
you know, people are innocent into proven guilty, and it's
up to the to the state to prove it. If

(54:08):
he is guilty of that, you know, then he should
get the just punishment. What they're going to have a
hard time proving, in my view, is that he forced
people to participate in these quote unquote freak oups, because
it's not illegal to be nasty. It is illegal to

(54:29):
try to make somebody do something they don't want to do. Yeah,
if you if they prove that, then he's in trouble.
I hear the argument, and we talked about this a
little bit earlier, Robbin, earlier today. I hear the argument
that people are making when they're comparing it to Hugh
Hefner and saying, you know, Hugh Hefner got away with it,

(54:51):
and so on and so forth. The question really does
go to the bottom line, question really does go to coersion, right,
like did people freely participate.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
In this or were they forced to?

Speaker 10 (55:06):
That?

Speaker 7 (55:06):
To me, on that case is what's going to determine
his quote unquote guilt or innocence. Now, when it comes
to like the issues of the allegations of like assault.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Like We've seen him do some of that stuff.

Speaker 7 (55:19):
We've seen him on tape doing that, so we know
that that is you know, at least in some of
these cases, that that's legitimate. But when it comes to
the quote unquote freak ass, the question is going to
be based on people, whether they were willing participants or not.
I also think it's a larger conversation we should. We
need to have a larger philosophical conversation too.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
About our standards where we've had. We've been living in
this post nineteen seventies environment for so long. This this
like free love, do what you want, be as nasty
as you want to be, and.

Speaker 9 (56:00):
Together know that.

Speaker 7 (56:02):
And then but now it's like, oh well no, that's
like we I think this just again. And we talked
about this before and I'm not trying to take it
to church, but this is always like this goes back
to why it's in.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Your interest.

Speaker 11 (56:22):
To behave a certain way, because even if you think, well,
Puffy did the same thing that Hugh Heffner did and
all of this, some.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
People can't do the same stuff that other people do.
It just is what it is.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
That's why it's in your best interest. And I tell
I tell young rappers this in particular, tell young rappers
this all the time. Get a wife, go ass down.
It's in your best interest. It's not only the right
thing to do, it's not only the Christian thing to do,

(56:58):
but it's.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
In your best entry.

Speaker 7 (57:00):
Is don't be out here slanging that d everywhere. Get
you a woman, make her your wife, Get you a
good woman, make her your wife, and sit your ass down.
That's number one. To the other point to the the
the case that you're talking about, the Missouri case, that

(57:22):
is a tough one because there is some controversy about that,
and there's some controversy about that because there is reports
that he confessed more than once. And I want to

(57:42):
lay this out. I'm just gonna read this because I
thought it was very impactful from doctor Nicky Johnson, who's
a fan of the show. Shout out to doctor Nicky.
She made a post on social media, and I think

(58:03):
it's important for us to at least read and digest
and then you know, kind of wrestle with that. She said,
I couldn't find any reports that there was evidence that
suggested his innocence. You could argue jury biased for his trial,
but there was plenty of evidence to suggest his guilt,
which led to a two thousand and one conviction. He

(58:25):
was caught with the victim's laptop in purse. He wore
her husband's jacket to cover his blood stained shirt. His
girlfriend saw him wearing the jacket and the blood on
his shirt. He confessed his guilt to her and later
his cell made There was no evidence that another person
committed the crime or that there was a violation of
nineteen ninety eight evidence collection standards when the crime occurred.

(58:49):
DNA collection wasn't standard in Missouri until after two thousand
and nine. Forensic examination on previously collected evidence showed no
DNA evidence collected that linked him to the crime. But
that doesn't prove his innocence. It just means there was
no DNA evidence to prove he was at the scene.
There wasn't any forensic evidence linking another person to the crime.

(59:11):
Either the prosecutor and the victim's family argue to delay
his execution because they wanted his sentence changed to life
in prison. Still, the victim's family.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Believed he was guilty.

Speaker 7 (59:24):
So so even with that, like, I haven't said much
I know for me, I haven't said much about that
case because of that, because there's there's some questions there,
you know what I mean, And I'm not you know,

(59:44):
there are some people who are having a debate over
the death penalty in general concerning this. I'm not anti
death penalty. I think the death penalty should be resolved
to be reserved for like the most egregious of cases,
like if you rape and kill a kid or something
like that, Like the death penalty should be like in

(01:00:05):
my opinion that it should be on the table, but
it should be on the table for the most severe offenses.
But so I know people are having a death phones
conversation about this, people are having a question about conversation
about his innocence. But I do think that there's a
lot of there's a lot of unresolved questions, uh, in
that in that case, I don't think there's enough that

(01:00:26):
I've seen at least, and somebody can tell me wrong,
can prove me wrong, but I don't think that there's
been enough that I've seen to say that this guy
was innocent. You may want to have a debate about
whether he should have been put to death or not,
but I don't think that I've seen enough to say
that he was innocent. Dance your thoughts on either Puffy

(01:00:47):
or the Missouri case or both, whichever one you want
to go to.

Speaker 9 (01:00:50):
Yeah, So first with Puff, Puff is in trouble, big trouble.

Speaker 10 (01:00:55):
When the government starts using words like racketeering, conspiras see
and they start saying that you used your company to
fund illegal activities, you're in big trouble. And when the
judge decides that hmm, well you're kind of a flight

(01:01:16):
I think you're a bit of a flight risk.

Speaker 9 (01:01:18):
Even though you submitted your you submitted your.

Speaker 10 (01:01:20):
Passport and says that the government has a preponderance of evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
You're in deep trouble when you can't get bail and
you have those kind of resources.

Speaker 9 (01:01:38):
So Puff is in trouble.

Speaker 10 (01:01:41):
I think I would honestly be surprised if Puff saw
the light of day as a free man ever again
in his natural life.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Darviille.

Speaker 10 (01:01:54):
As you know, when the government says conspiracy and racketeering,
the federal government, that's a different ballgame, and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
That's what they use to attack the mafia. Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:02:09):
The federal government is essentially saying that forget all the
nasty stuff, right, that's the stuff that grabs headlines.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
That's not the that's not the thing that we should
be focused on.

Speaker 10 (01:02:23):
Right, everybody wants to laugh about the baby oil and
all that that that stuff is, That's not it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
They're saying that this guy. You they're saying that this
guy used his company to fund illegal enterprises like sex trafficking.
They don't even necessarily.

Speaker 14 (01:02:48):
Need to prove that he was, you know, gay or
doing all this weird stuff. They don't have to prove
all all that they they they're basic saying we can,
we can follow the money, and we've got enough testimony
to say that he intimidated people and that he coerced

(01:03:08):
people into doing things.

Speaker 9 (01:03:09):
So like he is in serious trouble. Now, as to
the Missouri case, I.

Speaker 10 (01:03:18):
Have a small connection to that, just you know, boxing
spaces on Twitter, but with which his.

Speaker 9 (01:03:24):
Son was in.

Speaker 10 (01:03:25):
So what I would just like to say is I
don't I don't understand why the when the prosecutor and
the victim's family and Marcellus's family all say all can

(01:03:49):
come to an agreement, and say even the former governor
and say, okay, let's at least postpone or change change
the sentence so that we can just work back on
the case. I don't understand why we can't, why the
current governor of the Supreme Court has an issue with that,

(01:04:11):
Let's just work back on it before we take before
we finalize this, before we take this man's life. Everybody involved,
from the victim to the prosecutor to even the former governor.

Speaker 9 (01:04:26):
Is like, yeah, this is a I mean, this is
the most final thing we can do.

Speaker 10 (01:04:33):
Let's work back. Let's be sure because if there is
even a little bit of reasonable doubt, maybe we got
the wrong guy. We don't know, So if there's any doubt,
let's just work back on it. I don't understand why
why we could not do that. The cynic in me,

(01:04:54):
of course, is always like, well, you know, the government
and the state wants to avoid any sort of settlement
if something comes back, so that's why they're against it.
But that, you know, that's the cynic in me. But yeah,
that that's where I have a problem. It's just, well,
maybe there's reasonable doubt in the case, and let's let's

(01:05:15):
let's go back, let's work back on it. It's if
if it's nothing there and we find out that nothing's
changed and this is what we thought it was, then sure, fine,
let him pay for his crimes. But if we're not sure,
or if there's any reasonable doubt, let's not murder in

(01:05:40):
innocent man, even if he's just.

Speaker 9 (01:05:42):
If it's just a chance, let's not do that.

Speaker 10 (01:05:45):
Which is you know, like I always tell people, I
don't want to sit on a jury because at the
end of the day, I just don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
And it's unfortunate.

Speaker 10 (01:05:55):
That DNA evidence we didn't fully understand it in the
nine he's in the early two thousands. Yeah, that's really
a shame that it wasn't collected, we didn't understand it properly.
There's another famous case in California where DNA evidence wasn't
fully understood, and you know that could but you know,

(01:06:16):
it's a different story.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
So it's just a shame, and I really feel bad
for everybody involved.

Speaker 10 (01:06:23):
Like I said, I do have a small connection to
the case, just by knowing his son, you know, by
talking boxing on Twitter.

Speaker 9 (01:06:31):
So I just you know, you just feel for his family.

Speaker 10 (01:06:34):
You feel for this woman's family, who now I wonder
if they believe they've even got justice. You know, I
just you just I just feel pretty bad for a
lot of the There are no winners here at the
end of the day, and that's the sad part to me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
And I think it's fair to say, well, how come
you can't even if you're not going to reverse the sentence,
saying why can't you just delay it for a little
bit and give time to re examine the case. I
think that's fair, and you know, I understand people's perspectives

(01:07:18):
on that. I think the issue, and I mean the
problem that people have been going, you know, back and
forth with is like you hear people saying, well, is
he was he innocent? Versus well let's just say, like
what you were just saying, well, let's let's just take
a look and make sure, right. I think that's a

(01:07:41):
fair argument. I do think that there's more questions than
answers about whether he was outright innocent. And you know,
like I read from the comments said got to NICKI
made and you know, you know Nikki, I yeah, if
she thought that he was innocent, she would she would

(01:08:03):
make no bones about that, right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
But like what doctor Nikki said, like the.

Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
Family didn't want them to be put to death, right,
but they still thought he was guilty. Yeah, you know,
but I agree with you in the perspective of, like, well,
let's why don't we take another at least take another
look at it, because I do believe, like by being
somebody who's not against the death penalty, I do believe

(01:08:34):
it should be used in the most like the most
egregious of cases, and you should be absolutely sure without
a doubt, correct.

Speaker 10 (01:08:44):
I agree there should be. And that's my only that
that's my concern is that Remember, in criminal proceedings, you
don't prove innocence, right, that's on the prosecution. The prosecution
has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a person's guilt.

(01:09:06):
But they but the defense isn't there to prove innocence, right,
I'm not as a defendant. You're not there to say, here,
let me prove my innocence.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
The defense is.

Speaker 10 (01:09:17):
Usually trying to create reasonable doubt, correct, And if there
is any reasonable doubt, then we need to press pause.
And that's the only thing where that that that really
bothered me with this situation is if it's anything within
this before we.

Speaker 9 (01:09:37):
Take this man's life that makes me say, hmm, we
need to we need to press pause.

Speaker 10 (01:09:42):
Because God forbid, five years later, we found out this
man did not do this for you know, for sure,
and now we put now we put an innocent man
to death and this other this family doesn't have justice
and then there's a real killer that did not that
that got away.

Speaker 9 (01:10:01):
Right. That that is why when it.

Speaker 10 (01:10:03):
Comes to these situation we need to be you need
to be sure. There has to be no reason, there
has to be no reasonable doubt. And that's the part
where I'm that just bothers me. And then you know,
the thing that makes us all uncomfortable that we haven't
brought up yet is I mean, this is a black
man in the South that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:23):
You know, it does make you say whether whether you're
whether we should or not, it does make you be like, because.

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
With the history of our country in the South, it's
just something that we can't like, you can't get passed right,
it's not something that that we can ignore. And we're
not Nobody here is saying, well, you know, they just
killed him because he's a because he's a black man,
because Missouri has put white people to death too.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
That that's not what we're saying.

Speaker 9 (01:10:49):
But it's like, it's impossible to ignore our.

Speaker 10 (01:10:52):
Nation's history when it comes to situations like this right,
so that that you know the elephant in the room
as well, Right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Robin, you got anything you want to add on this
or are you good?

Speaker 8 (01:11:09):
I will say that a lot of people had a
petition going around signing it, trying to fight for him,
and it was basically ignored. I mean it was. It
was a lot of signatures and people were trying to
contact the governor. They were calling the phone. It was
to the point where the voicemail box was actually fool

(01:11:30):
and nobody can no longer get through m hm. So
they they were ignoring the people they did did. They
absolutely just did not want to hear it. They did
not care. So like going into what you were saying,
you guys were saying, it's like, why couldn't they just
hold off on it, and you know, see like they
really wasn't trying to hear any of that. It's my

(01:11:50):
personal opinion, I mean, I almost I mean, I don't know.
I'm a little iffy on it now because of what
you were just reading off. But at the same point,
I also feel like they were just trying to throw
it on just anybody just to get it out of
their way.

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's a possibility because it
was a it was a brutal murder, like I believe
a person was stabbed multiple times, like it was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
It was brutal.

Speaker 7 (01:12:21):
And so sometimes in situations like that, it's not unheard
of for them to just be like, let's let's just
put this on somebody so we can say that we
got the killer, right, you know, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this. So for
prime example, and like you guys are just saying, you
don't want to say it's because he was a black man,
but you know, yeah, So in a similar situation, I
just lost a friend a year ago due to the
same exact reason. This man plotted and planned what he

(01:12:58):
was gonna do, and it was brutal. And he even
sent the pictures of her, of him laying next to
her while she was no longer alive, and sent the
pictures to her father and other people, like there was
proof enough proof, And guess what that man got. That
man got twenty five to life.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Mm hmm. He didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:13:24):
He didn't get the death penalty. He got he had
the option, mind you, he is a white man.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Yeah. Well, and in those situations too, like I don't
know if I don't, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
Obviously I know that case because I know I was
your friend, but I don't know if like if the
death fronts he was put on the table. And this
is the thing that Dancy said about a jury like
in some cases, and I don't know if this is
the case in Ohio, I gotta like, I want to
research that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
But in some cases a jury can say.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
No, we don't want to give you the deafinity, correct,
And so it's just it can be very it can
be very complicated. And when you see a situation like
what happened to your friend, if I'm if I was
on the jury and it was and the death penalty
was in my hands, oh he gotta go, yeah, he

(01:14:24):
gotta go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Yeah it was it like.

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
No doubt clear evidence he was is when you're taking
pictures like that, you bragging about it, basically.

Speaker 9 (01:14:37):
So.

Speaker 7 (01:14:38):
But but the interesting thing too is and I say
just interesting, not in a good way obviously, but just
interesting in terms of like how this actually goes sometimes
is even in cases like that because it was domestic
because like he was her ex or something, right, No,
they were together, Oh they were still together. So that

(01:14:59):
was like, sometimes the punishment for things like that isn't
as severe in a domestic situation if it was if
versus something.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
That was like random, which is crazy to me. That's
crazy to.

Speaker 8 (01:15:13):
Me, Yeah, because it's not necessary. I mean, it could
be plotted, but at the same point, it's not plotted
like it's It is crazy. It's absolutely crazy, and there
were children involved in that situation.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Absolutely, I would have like he would have. Look how
a friend of mine was murdered her parents. Her mother
is a Christian minister.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
And was like, I forgive you, but I still want
you to be held accountable, you know what I mean. Yeah,
And that's that's how it should be. He's on death
row right now, you know what I mean. But that's
why I'm like, I think it should be incontrovertible evidence,
Like if you're gonna put somebody to death, you better

(01:16:01):
be sure. But I do think there's some questions here.
I've heard I don't have any like I don't know
this for sure, but I've heard that the Innocence Project
that chose about to take this case. If that's true,
that sends my antenta is up as well. But ultimately

(01:16:23):
I agree with Nante's point that if there's any doubt,
any legitimate question, that why don't you put the pause
on it to just make sure that you about to
put to death the right person, because it ain't no.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Right if he's not the right person, it ain't gonna
be like no oops. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
make that decision.

Speaker 7 (01:16:49):
You make that decision, and that's final, and it is
what it is. And the last thing I'll say on this, and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
Then we'll get out of here. We'll get out of
here and get ready for uh for doncin's.

Speaker 7 (01:17:04):
Your point, Robin about people making sign of petitions and
things like that, I'm gonna give y'all, the people who
are listening on this, I'm gonna give y'all some game,
real quick, some game about how the political system works
and why these people responded the way that they did,
why they didn't care about these signatures. First of all, politicians,

(01:17:30):
generally speaking, only really care about what their constituents have
to say. So if these people who were sending if
you had a you could have one hundred thousand signatures.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
On this petition. If most of those people don't live in.

Speaker 7 (01:17:48):
The state of Missouri, that governor does not give a
damn because he don't have to answer to those people.
He only has to answer to the people in the
state of Missouri. And that's if he's not term limited,
because I don't know, I don't know how long that
governor's been in office or anything like that. That's number one.
Number two, let's say that the people who signed these petitions,

(01:18:10):
that many of them are.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
From the state of Missouri. I don't believe that to
be the case, but let's just say for the sake
of conversation they are.

Speaker 7 (01:18:20):
Another reason why he wouldn't care is because those people
ain't gonna vote in the general election, or they're not
going to vote in large enough numbers to make it lose.
Because Missouri is a Republican state, I'm assuming that the
governor is a Republican.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
So if you're listening to this.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
Right now and you believe either you believe that man
it was innocent, or you believe that they should have paused,
and you feel some type of way about what that
governor did, I'm gonna tell you what you need to do.
It's not about going after him in the general election
because you're gonna lose.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
That's a red state. As a Republican governor, you're.

Speaker 7 (01:19:04):
Gonna lose if you really want to make your voice heard,
because the only thing that politicians respond to that most politicians.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
There are some good ones who do the right thing
just because it's the right thing.

Speaker 7 (01:19:16):
But generally speaking, the only thing that politicians respond to
is money and votes. If you can't bring money and
you can't bring votes, they don't respond to anything, and
you have no way to hold anybody a come. So
if you actually want to do something in the state
of Missouri, if you believe that that governor was wrong
for what he did, what you need to do is
organize yourselves and go with an opponent in the Republican primary,

(01:19:46):
let them get primary, recruit a candidate, have run against
them in the Republican primary.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
And support that candidate.

Speaker 7 (01:19:55):
Because then in these partisan states, whether they're Republican states
or Democrat states, the only election that really matters in
most cases is the primary because that decides.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Who's gonna get nominated.

Speaker 7 (01:20:11):
And when you're in a state that has a solid
partisan lean one way or the other, you can say, oh,
we're gonna vote you, we're gonna vote against you, we're
gonna make you lose in November.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
No, you're not, No, you're not.

Speaker 7 (01:20:26):
Your time to make this person lose is in March
or April or May or June, whenever their primary is. So,
if you actually want to punish this governor, if you
believe that this governor did the wrong thing, and you
actually want to punish this governor, get yourself organized and
support an opponent to him in the Republican primary, primary

(01:20:47):
him and get him out, stop him from getting nominated.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
That's how you do it. That's some gang for y'all.
If y'all actually want to do something. If y'all believe
that this governor was wrong and you don't understand why
they don't seem to care.

Speaker 7 (01:21:00):
About these petitions and phone calls and things like that,
this is why they don't care, and this is how
you can make them care.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
So you go against them into primary.

Speaker 7 (01:21:10):
And you either make him lose or you make him
work really really hard to get to get nominated again.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
So you either make them lose or you leave them
mark that's what you do. So that's some free game
for y'all. All right, stay tuned, We have Dante's Hot
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Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
Truth whether you like it or not, It's Dante's Hot
Takes on the Young Lawns Radio show.

Speaker 10 (01:23:17):
So when President Trump got on stage at the debate
and said they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats
in Springfield, it took people down crazy rabbit holes of
our Haitians in Springfield eating dogs and cats? Are Are
they eating geese? What's happening?

Speaker 9 (01:23:35):
And I think we need to be looking at this
situation in Springfield, like, the.

Speaker 10 (01:23:46):
Federal government has failed both sides here and we have
no winners.

Speaker 9 (01:23:52):
So let's look at the Springfield case first.

Speaker 10 (01:23:56):
In the seventies, eighties, and nineties, Springfield was a town
that you could say was thriving. They had a thriving
middle class there were They were a manufacturing town. They
used to make things like you know, one of my
favorite shows, the Soprano says, you know and open, we
used to make things in this in this country.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:24:17):
They were a smaller but a city like that, right, Darvo,
you wrote about this in your news regarticle. People need
to go check that out. But you wrote about this,
and one of the things that that you mentioned was
like Newsweek called them one of America's great cities.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:24:35):
So what happened then we had bad trade deals like
NAFTA that stint those manufacturing jobs elsewhere for cheaper labor,
sent those union jobs away, and the people in Springfield
who could leave and go elsewhere, the people who were

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upwardly mobile, they left, and people who couldn't they stayed.
And they were essentially at the mercy of the town.
And what happens when you lose jobs and you lose
resources and people leave your community. Well you turned it

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that we see drugs in crime. We've seen that in
American cities everywhere. And so that's why then, and believe
it was twenty fourteen, you have the city of Springfield
basically saying, hey, we need labor.

Speaker 9 (01:25:32):
We're in trouble.

Speaker 10 (01:25:33):
We're thinking the federal government left us behind, will take
any immigrants because we need a population here, we need
a tax base. And why were there twenty thousand Haitians
available Because that same federal government that created the issues

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in Springfield, they created those same issues, well similar issues,
because they were running amuck in Haiti. They have been
doing a number in South America. Little term we like
to call imperialism raping and pillaging figuratively, but destroying certain

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parts of the planet. And when you create habit or
destabilize a region, one of the oldest things known to
man is I have a bad situation here, I'm going
to seek refuge I am going to seek a place
where I can create a better situation for myself and

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my family. And that's why you have refugees and migrants,
not all, right, not all, but those in Haiti. That's
what they were there for. That's what they're there for.
So you have a federal government that really failed both sides.
And the solution was to put a dying city that

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was left behind with immigrants who have not assimilated to
the culture, who have not been integrated well to the culture,
to just put them all in the same melting pot
and see what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
That is probably not gonna work, and that's what we're seeing.

Speaker 10 (01:27:28):
We are seeing the tension from that, we are seeing
the outrage from that, and instead of fixing the problem,
we have one side that wants to blame the migrants
and the other side that wants to say, hey, anybody
who doesn't stand with the migrants, you must be a racist,

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without acknowledging the nuance of the situation. And of course
we have a federal government that would never accept responsibility
for their actions.

Speaker 9 (01:27:59):
But make no old mistake about it, this is a problem.

Speaker 10 (01:28:04):
Of the federal governments making when they essentially destabilize both regions. Right,
you destabilize Springfield. And please, I want everybody to understand this.
This isn't just a story about Springfield. The story this
on the micro level is Springfield, but on the macro level.

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There were manufacturing towns all over this state, all over
this country, especially where we are here in the Midwest. Right,
if you want to look at what happened in Michigan
with the auto industry, you want to look at what
happened in Pittsburgh to steal industry here.

Speaker 9 (01:28:40):
In Ohio with manufacturing.

Speaker 10 (01:28:43):
This is.

Speaker 9 (01:28:45):
Not unique to just Springfield.

Speaker 10 (01:28:48):
The federal government did a number on the middle class
by removing manufacturing and auto work jobs out of this country.
And they did the number on South America and Haiti.
And when you merge those, yeah, you've got issues. So

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that's the that I think, that's the angle that were
we need to look at it. We should not be
looking at Haitians who are trying to make their lives
better and blaming them because that's the story of man.
I mean, that's the story of I mean, if you

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are black and have a Southern Black family, that's what
a lot of our people did, right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
We called it the Great Migration. Right.

Speaker 10 (01:29:43):
My grandparents are from the South and somehow they ended
up in New York, right, And I'm here in Cleveland, right, DARVYO,
you have a similar story.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
So this is not right. This is the story of man.

Speaker 10 (01:29:56):
Right leaving one place and trying to go another place
to or opportunity, and the federal government wrecked opportunity seemingly everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
And that's who needs to be blamed here. I think
that's a really good point. Actually a little jealous. I
didn't bring it up myself.

Speaker 10 (01:30:19):
You had half of it, But that's that. This is
why we atteamed bro That's that's what you had half
of them. Because I thought the point about Springfield and
that article again, please go read that Newsweek article because
you broke it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:30:33):
Yeah, Springfield was not a dump. Springfield is not or
was not a dump.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
It wasn't.

Speaker 9 (01:30:42):
Yeah, this is something that something happened there.

Speaker 10 (01:30:47):
And again, if you are from Cleveland, if you are
from Detroit, if you are from Pittsburgh, if you are
from Harrisburg, if you are from certain parts of Illinois,
like you should be able to relate to that, because
I'm sure if you know, somebody in your family had
a union job in the seventies and eighties and it
was sort of a thing for the family, maybe they

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got laid off. If you were in Baltimore or Philadelphia
and you lost you know, you all lost port job.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
You lost union jobs.

Speaker 9 (01:31:17):
So don't be so quick to turn your nose up
and be like.

Speaker 10 (01:31:21):
Oh, well, I don't relate to those people because they
don't look like you, because it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
To us too. And then when we lost those jobs,
we had.

Speaker 10 (01:31:30):
Our epidemic in the nineties, in the late eighties and nineties,
which was the crack epidemic, right, no doubt that happened.
So you know, we're seeing in certain in other communities
they lost those jobs and now they're having an opioid epidemic.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
So there is relatability here without a doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:31:47):
And you know I mentioned earlier and I mentioned before
about you know, the rough time that you know, we've
had financially when I was growing up and stuff like that. Well,
you know, my entire childhood, my early childhood wasn't like that.
My early childhood, we were solidly middle class.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
You know why. My mother was working at General Motors.
My mother used to.

Speaker 7 (01:32:13):
Work at the General Motors fish your body plant, and
we were solidly middle class when I was when I
was a young young kid, and my mother lost her
job because her plant closed, and we went from solidly
middle class to poor overnight. Yeah, and the job that

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she ended up having, and because the next job that
she had, it was a job she stayed with until
you know what I mean, she left, Like I mean,
she was there for I think like twenty something years
or something like that. Because you know, my mother is
like one of those old school that come from from
that era, right where you had a job, that's where
you at, that's where you stay. But of course that

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job didn't pay anywhere close to what General Motors is paying.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
So that's one of the reasons, like one of the
reasons why.

Speaker 7 (01:33:07):
I have an understanding of the white working class and
poor white people and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
Was because I've lived that, Like I know what they
went through, because we went through the same thing. Yep,
I saw it firsthand, you know what I'm saying, Like
I saw, I know, I felt it. I know what happened. Yeah,
lost her job at General Motors when that playing closed,
Like I saw, I saw that, you know what I mean.

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And just like you said, dance, we've we've seen that.
I remember.

Speaker 7 (01:33:41):
And if y'all know the song Get Up, Get Out
by out Cast, that song came out like nineteen ninety four,
nineteen ninety five. One of the lines in there was
andre three thousands saying they laid my mama off of
word general.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Motors tripping, Like, you know, I related to that so
much because I went through the same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
So we've seen this, you know what I mean, And
I think it's a very I think what you said
about the about some of our adventurism, if you will,
in Haiti, South and South America and things like that,
I think it's a very good point. And it's not
to say, like, I'm not an isolationist. I'm not saying

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that we shouldn't have involvement and that we like we're
the leader of the free world.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
It is what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:34:33):
But there have been things that we've done that has
not just been quote unquote leadership. There have been things
that we have done that have been irresponsible and reckless,
and we should acknowledge that, you know what I mean,
A lot of a lot of the situation I'm not
gonna say, oh, but a lot of the situations that

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have happened in Haiti, a lot of the turmoil and
upheaval that has had in Haiti.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
Is kind of our fault.

Speaker 7 (01:35:02):
Oh absolutely, you know, that's that's a that's absolutely fair
and astute point that I do think people should be
talking about it. If we're going to examine the role
of the federal government in this entire mess, then then

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I think we should look to it, look at it
from the beginning to end.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
Last verse Dante and Loma.

Speaker 10 (01:35:30):
Let's always remember where we can point the finger, and
it's usually not at citizens, usually at our you know,
at the government.

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