Ep. 408 - Todd Allyn talks about losing his job because of his wife's refusal to take the Covid shot
October 25, 2024 • 37 mins
Todd Alyyn joins the show and tells us about an outrageous sition in which his job forced him to choose between the profession and his own wife.
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Outlaws Radio. We have a special interview that we're gonna
dedicate most of the show to that Dante and i
uh tape together with a guy that you've probably heard
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before by the name of Todd Allen, and he's the
situation that he's dealing with is a very significant and crazy,
crazy situation that we wanted to shed some light too,
So we're gonna get into that on the fun side. Though,
you know, later on in the show we will hear
(02:22):
from Robin for the tea time with real segment, so
stay tuned for that. But let's get into our interview
with Todd Allen right now. Okay, normally I would say
you're a very special guest, but I mean this, this
ain't no very special.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
He's read on this show before we all know him.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
You know how like when when you have like a
friend that the first time they come to the house,
you get him something to drink. You'd be like, hey,
you know you want something to eat, blah blah blah.
By that third or fourth time they come to the house,
it's like, you know where the refrigerator is, Go get
the stuff, Go get the fool, Go get the drink.
So that's that's this guest right here, Uh Todd Allen.
(03:04):
Many of you, if you longtime listeners of this network,
you remember the Todd Allen Show.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
We're gonna get into a lot of stuff that we
got to talk about.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
In this interview.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But first, uh, Todd, welcome, back.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
How you doing, sir.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I'm well, thank you, man, and thanks for that introduction,
and I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, that's exactly how this goes, so.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
So, of course, it's always always a good time when
when we get a chance to talk to to particularly
with Dante being a part of the show.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I'm Todd the reason why I met Dante.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I met Dante through time, so.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I didn't even want to say that because I knew
he was gonna take credit for but so it's always
always a good time, but this time it's on a
little bit of a somber and crazy occasion. Dante and
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I were talking to Todd a little bit during like
before the interview started, and we were both kind of
like dumbfounded as to how this situation that Todd is
going to tell you how it played out and why
it played out like it did, because it doesn't really
make sense. It's extremely inconsistent, particularly considering some of the
(04:35):
things that the country is dealing with right now. But
we'll touch on that in a little bit. So Todd,
let's just start start going to beginning, like tell people
what's been going on?
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Wow, Okay, how do we unpack this? Okay?
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Twenty nineteen, my my wife and I were married in Columbia,
South America. I say South America because some people, some
listers right say oh, Columbia, South Carolina, New Liutford. Further south, Columbia,
South America in Bogota, Columbia, and we're married.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
In twenty nineteen.
Speaker 8 (05:11):
The idea was for me to come back to the
United States because it was college professor working at a
large institution in the Cleveland area and I had to
get back to work. With the idea of that during
spring break, I would go back down to Colombia and
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we would start the process for the visa to have
my family accompany me in the United States. Well, in
February of twenty twenty, COVID hit and the world shot down,
and my wife and I were separated for the first
year of our marriage. I say it was the first
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year of our marriage because it wasn't until September of
twenty twenty when Columbia opened its borders and were allowing
people to be able to fly into Colombia, South America.
At that particular time, all of our courses were online
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and it didn't make sense for me at that point
to be separated from my family because everything was online,
why not just do everything from Colombia. So that's what
I did. I sold everything and I moved to Columbia,
South America. I thought that the Spanish that I had
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learned a little a little bit of Spanish that I
had learned in the classroom was enough for me to
be able to handle myself.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
And I soon found out when the plane landed that
I didn't know much of anything. I was about the
doubles a Dale duck. So it's been an immersion, been
an experience. I do want to say this before I
get too long winded. I am not a passport bro.
I'm an Expatrick.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
So there is a.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Difference because he said that ladies and gentlemen because I
jokingly called him a passport bro before the start.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Yes, yes, and I have I have. I have some
very good friends who are passport bros.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
But I'm not one of those. So during that year,
everything was fine. Uh, maintain my courses, everything I was
supposed to do.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Students.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
Now, students have always been able to get in touch
with me because from day one, I give them my
cell phone number, my WhatsApp number, my private personal email.
They know how to get access to me twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week. And many of
my colleagues they don't give out their personal numbers because
they feel some kind of way. Then now I have
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my personal numbers, but they also have what I have,
what I call a VoIP of voiceover Internet protocol where
if they leave a text, they leave a message, it
will actually write it out in text and I could
respond to them, et cetera, et cetera. So twenty twenty
in twenty twenty one, I was on sabbatic. I was
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doing a research project which was researching the economic impact
of COVID on Colombia and did an extensive study on
that and actually created a video that I put on
the YouTube to be able for people to take a
look at it and understand what was going on, and
it was quite interesting. It was also during that time
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here that we lost my mother in law due to
it was set due to COVID.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
But we all know that.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
Hospitals kind of received benefits when they when they were
able to put this kind of when they said this
was actual thing that that took care of PEP that
people were deleted. But so a little bit skeptical because
you know, she did have.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
A heart attack.
Speaker 8 (09:18):
So, long story short, that was twenty through twenty one.
Coming into twenty twenty two, I had a new manager.
The old manager was still there, but the old manager
was the supervisor of this new manager. And the old
manager has and it told me to my face they
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had always known where I was and they could always
get in touch with So, long story short, new manager.
I only had issues with the college during the summer months,
and so during the regular academic year, I was again
separated from my family for long periods of time. Long
story short. We applied for spouse a visa to come
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into the United States. We were denied because we had
not taken the COVID vaccine. This was in twenty twenty two,
twenty twenty three, so this was after COVID had had
run its course and it was actually slowing down if
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any cases were being reported at that point.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
We applied.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
We were denied because my wife didn't take the vaccine,
neither did I, and I didn't take the vaccine because
in the state of Ohio, we were not mandated to
do so because not only am I I'm in ohioan
and because of the Constitution of Ohio. My governor said,
we don't have to take it. So I decided at
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that point I wasn't going to and other things. Of course,
the college knew what my situation was. The college knew
that I was experience seeing stress and anxiety over this
entire situation. I had expressed this to my managers upon
multiple occasions, and I was seeking some help. I had
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a psychology psychiatry psychologist that I was working with on
a regular basis to manage stress and learning techniques to
manter stress, building mental resilience in the old nine and
I had expressed to the college that you know, this
was a situation and how can we receive some accommodations.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Crickets.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
So flash forward to this past September, the college decided
that they no longer needed my services. Fourteen years with
the college, thirteen going on, fourteen years with the college
tenured professor. I had just received nomination the previous semester
for one of their most prestigious teaching excellence awards, and
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with them terminating our relationship, no severance, no handshake, and
they also want to deny me.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Unemployment, so they're forcing me into retirement. So that's where
I stand. That's the story.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Wow, Dante, I know that you are former student of Todd's.
Talk a little bit about what the accessibility was to
him when you were one of his students.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, so I can speak to a lot of things
about Todd. First and foremost the accessibility. So first day
of class, when every college professor, every every teacher is
handing out a syllabus, Todd is handing out a syllabus,
but he's also saying, hey, write down my cell phone
number right down.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I don't know if he had what's up at the time,
because you know, this was I had you twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, pre WhatsApp.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah so this was pre WhatsApp. But it's like, you know,
here's my personal self phone, here's my personal email. Actually,
you know, it was saying I would prefer for you
guys to use that because I'll always get it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I may not be any office.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
You know, things happen, right, I may not check my
work email all the time, but if you really need
to email me, just send it to my personal email.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
So, And an example of this is I missed the
class once, just had something going on in life. It
was a summer class, and I called Todd maybe two
hours after the class, and he spent an hour on
the phone with me going over what we would have
went over in class.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So that's first, and formal accessibility was never an issue
when I had to you know, when I took the class,
I'm sure it was pretty much the same.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So, but then the second thing is teaching style. And
I'm not just saying this because you're on the show
or because we have a relationship. I've told Darvo this,
I've told people who don't even know you this. But
the teaching style was incredible. I've never had a professor
at any institution, at any any level of my academic career.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Give you material and be as accessible as Tod was.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And when I say give you material, I don't mean
provide you with a slanted view or this is how
I want you to think.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I mean just present the material as is and let
you make your own decision.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I tell people this all the time our final paper,
because I think I had you for a macro.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It wasn't you know.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I'm going to give you the economic system. No, we
win overall the economic systems. Your task is to then
you tell me which works best, and how I'm going
to grade you is not based on like whether I agree,
which is based on just how well you support it
with what we went over in class, right, so that
I can tell you at you know, at different institutions
my my, which I ended up changing my major to econ,
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that was not how things went right. And I think
a lot of ECON students con tept that is not
how their classes go at you know, at different institutions.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So yeah, this was uh yeah in terms of excessive,
but that was never a problem.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
You could call it todd at seven pm on a
Saturday and be like, Hey, I was struggling with this,
with this paper or with this book.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Can we talk about it for a second.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, And you know, you look up and it's thirty
five minutes later and were still talk and it's like, oh, wow,
you just got another lecture.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And so that was never a problem, right, right, And
so you know, the thing that.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Is the most kind of disturbing to me or the
most illogical, the thing that doesn't make the most sense,
going back to the fact that you got that your
wife got denied for visa. Here you have people who
are trying to do it the right way. You're trying
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to bring your family over here. You're an American citizen
and you're trying to bring your foreign family over here legally,
and you're getting a hard.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Time because of not taking the COVID shot.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
For a pandemic that is already over, that was already
over at the time. Meanwhile, the southern border people could
just walk. I would joke with you all the time
when I would ask you what was going on. I'll
tell you, man, you might as well just tell her
to go to the border and tell y'all, I'll pick
you up on the other side.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Like, it doesn't make any sense to me that here you.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Are trying to do it the right way and you're
getting all this hard time and everything leading up to
the fact where the separation from you not wanting to
be separated from your family cause you to lose your job. Meanwhile,
people could just walk in anytime they want to in
the border right now.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, the the.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
It's bizarre. I mean, what this showed me was a
couple of things. Well, I mean, I was I was
fighting two systems. Not only was I fighting the federal system,
I'm also fighting the state system and the state system
as related to this particular institution. They created the you know,
a policy. You know, one of the policies that they
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created was not in the in the the agreement, the
contract right the employment contract, but was added later. But
a lot of times people say case by case basis,
it wasn't that they didn't know. It wasn't that I
was doing anything in secret.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
They knew right when we had a they called it
a predisciplinary hearing, but you know, it was really an inquisition.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
And I stated, if we if I had the video,
if if we had the visa, that we would not
be having this issue there would you would have to
be worried about me doing online courses outside the state
of Ohio.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Uh, you know, which, which is kind of.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Let me stop you right and old on, let me
stop you right there.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
What the hell difference does it make if it's outside
of the state of Ohio, if you're doing if you're
teaching online courses, what difference does it make?
Speaker 8 (18:18):
Well, here's the thing. It's not that it's my residence
is Ohio. I'm an Ohio resident, Okay, So it's not like,
you know, you're teaching outside the state of Ohio and
you're a New York resident, right, or you're a South
Carolina resident. I'm a State of Ohio resident, and I'm
teaching outside during the pandemic was an issue.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
But I'm teaching.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Outside the state of Ohio, right because my family situation
also this past summer would happened. I didn't tell you
this that my wife suffered a second degree burn on
her face.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
So during this time So during this time.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
Period, you're asking me to be separated from my family
for two days minimum of three hours. And my wife
has second degree burned on her face and I'm supposed
to be separated from my family during that time period.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Do you understand the psychological impact that that had on
my wife?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I mean, here, here's here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
Anytime, anytime that I was coming back to the US,
because you know, because I have to do my job.
And I enjoyed what I did, Okay, I enjoyed that.
I'm not saying I didn't enjoy I enjoyed what I did.
But what happened was that the environment in which I
was working in became unattainable. They were causing me to
make a decision between my family and the job, and
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even though that they didn't want to say, they would say, well,
did we say that explicitly? No, you didn't say it explicitly.
You said it implicitly with your policy. And then when
I'm asking for some help for a for accommodations, right now,
you know there's there Now there's no process, or if
there is a process, who's helping me with the process
from HR?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
So you know it's questionable.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
I understand that that that most bureaucracies are there to
support themselves and it's always as they say, next man up,
or next person up or next woman up. Okay, I
get it, but you don't value you don't value the
relationships with the people that have been there and that
have that have provided quality service. I mean, Dante is
just is just one of many students that that you know,
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I had the pleasure of building relationship.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
He's not the only one.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
But you know, there comes a point at my age,
I have to live my values in order to be happy,
and so that's what I chose to do. I chose
my family over the profession, and they didn't like it,
and so they're being very vindictive as it relates to that.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
More to come stay tuned, will be right back here
on the Oulaws.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
cREL Conversations.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
We got.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
This is the your lost radio show.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Walking back and listening to the Outlaws. Here's a conclusion
of our interview with Todd Allen Dante me your thoughts
on the situation and if you got any any questions
or comments for time, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The sort the COVID mandate is just really perplexing to
me because one, I didn't know that that was still
in I didn't know that that was still a thing.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
I get this, I get I get that reaction every
time I tell the stories, like is that still a thing?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Just because of where we are in the process. I mean,
I don't, I don't. I really don't want to get
us into any trouble. I know, Darvyo'll probably sitting on
pins and needles over there because he knows how I
feel about.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Some of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
But I just I just don't understand how we've progressed
so far and know what we know now about you know,
what protection you really have with the you know, like
everybody's saying, trust the science. I don't understand how the
science has gotten us to this point with COVID and
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the vaccine, that we're still having COVID mandates. That part
is really shocking to me. But then the other part
is like you know, like Darbiel said, I mean, you
don't need to you don't need a COVID vaccine if
you're just going to cross the border, right, I don't
know if there was a COVID mandate for I mean,
we we've seen towns like Springfield basically beg migrants to
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come out. I don't know if there's a a COVID
mandate to come to So that that part is is
really wild.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's a good question. That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
We should find that out if you want a tourist visa.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Really that is wild.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I just but that's the I mean, that's the thing
about government bureaucracy, right, like it never really makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yes, that's stupid, like that that makes no sense at all,
Like none of this makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah that no, And that's but that's government bureaucracy. And
that so again, I mean we're just seeing you know,
lives Room because of its vaccine with COVID, and our
elected officials will pretend like, you know, no, it's not
a big deal, never happened. One question though, Todd did
did it? And I don't know if you noticed before COVID,
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but did they have any problem with out of state
teachers teaching online classes before the pandemic?
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Well, my understanding is that in order to be a
teacher this particular institution, in the rather large institution in
the Cleveland area, that you need to be a resident
of the state.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Okay, so you know, but they have hired.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Many hires many they've hired many administrators who were outside
the state, who who have come into the state after
they get their job. Okay, whether it's New York or wherever. Okay,
so I mean, but but the thing is that there
there have always been stories of professors who don't show
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up the office hours haven't been seen for you know,
a long periods of time or a long time or
what have you, and and and and all of those things.
But as I said, my dean, my director, my dean
had told me to my face that she had always
been able to get in touch with and when other
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deans were saying how they couldn't get in touch with
individuals that they had, my dean always knew how to
get in touch with always, And you know, I wasn't
operating in obscurity.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
It's like, hey, my wife is in Columbia. We're working
on the visa, trying to get my family here, and
my wife wanted the visas, but she wanted to be
with me when I traveled because she didn't like for
me to travel alone. My wife takes exceptional care of me.
I mean, she's a wonderful woman.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
And that was the thing.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
It's like, Okay, well you're there in the US. I'm
here in Colombia, and you know, we do what we
do what we need to do, but we're family.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
This is my wife.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
And knowingly, why would you have a policy to where
you know that you're separating your family. Where where in
the political system that we had, we had people talk about, well,
you're separating families at the border, you're putting people in
cages and all this other bovide experiment.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
But then you have have my situation, and those.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Very people who were hollering and screaming about this very thing,
and now all of a sudden they're mute, you know,
and and they're dumb and they have no opinion on it,
because hey, you know what, this is the policy that
they put in place. But but what do you what
does a person do when a policy is unjust in
a particular situation? Isn't isn't that called civil disobedience?
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Isn't that? What isn't that?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
What?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
You know?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
We have civil we have civil rights. We're all about
and what happens when a person if a person is
is on drugs, right and they want help, do you
fire them? I'm not on drugs. I ask for help,
but I get no response. I get crickets.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Well, you know, I don't know that was quote unquote
well you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Wow, are any any last words that you have, uh,
for Todd Dante or for the situation in general?
Speaker 4 (27:05):
No, I'm I'm really kind of stunned that they would
let you go, especially, like I said, I can speak
to the because I've had you, And I mean, I'm,
like you said, I'm not the only student that's had
you that would that would speak lonely about you.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So I'm kind of it saddened me to know that
you would let go a really good.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Professor, really, because it boils down to and I just,
you know, because of a COVID vaccine. Because that's where
my mind goes initially, like, I wonder if there was
another reason why.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You couldn't get your family to the country, if that
would if they would be more willing to work.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And I don't know, I just I have certain opinions
about academics, and I just wonder that if maybe they're
more inclined to side against you because of knowing that
that may be the reason why you your family can't
get so that that's where my mind goes, like maybe
the deck is already kind of stacked against you because
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they're not too happy that you wouldn't play along and
get the vaccine either.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So but yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Loser to lose a great professor over that is really something.
It says something about the college too. Yeah, And I
think that's a good question, Dante. It is a good question,
and I would love to find that out.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Like if it wasn't about not taking a COVID vaccine,
if there was some other hiccup, would they have been
more accommodating. I think that's a very it's a very
good question.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I think we kind of have our suspicions, but but.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Find out, as I said, I mean, they will give
the policy reasons, you know, outside state of Ohio Online
that but as I said, during the summer, it's a
different contract. During the academic year, I was there and
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for the entire academic year, not just the fall, but
the spring as well, and was nominated for one of
their top Teaching awards.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So, so, what's what's next for you? Todd?
Speaker 8 (29:21):
What is?
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
What's what's the plane?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
A last?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know?
Speaker 8 (29:31):
What?
Speaker 9 (29:31):
Here?
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Here, here's what I'm doing. I'm working on you know,
I'm I'm a teacher. That's that's what I do. And
so I'm working on a coaching program called Happiosity. I'm
talking about, uh, happiness literacy. And through this whole thing,
I've developed some resilience. I've developed I've.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Found some tools that are helpful to kind of help
people to cope, to.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Reduce their anxiety, reducer stress levels, to build optimism and
and I'm happy. And again not happy with the situation
that took place, but I'm happy because I took the stance,
and my stance was that my family is valuable to me.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And you know, is it challenging.
Speaker 8 (30:14):
Absolutely, But when a person lives their values, that's when
they really find their purpose and their happiness.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
And so I'm happy I'm happiest then I've.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Been in a long long time. And now I'm able
to help more people like Dante, like the former students
I have outside of the walls of that particular institution,
and I'm opening up to the world. I'm upening it
up to the global community now and so that makes
me happy. That makes me very very happy. So what's
(30:44):
next for me is to continue my coaching program and
grow my YouTube channel, grow my social media and my
goal is to become the number one personal development coach
on the face of the planet.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
That's my goal.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
All right, Well, you've never been a modest person, so
that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Modesty.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, well, thanks for for stopping by mass spending the time,
which it was under better circumstances.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Man, But we're gonna well.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Hey, you guys, you guys still have an open invitation
to come down here to Columbia.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Man. I mean, I understand that, you know you you
don't like fresh fruits.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
With seeds and all that stuff, and sunshine and beaches
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I mean, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I'm not opposed to taking that trip either, but you
just what you just described sounds like Florida, Like, how
you go to Florida.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Well, let me let me, let me, let me put
it this way.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
It's could be, it's it could be. It's like Florida
because it's on the career. There's a Caribbean side as well,
but it's ten times less expensive.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Well that's true. I'm glad, Dario.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
We should make that trip, but not necessarily for the
you know, for the food or even even the costs.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
On that note, we're gonna get out of here, Man time.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Man, Yeah, I appreciate you. Man, Thank you so much. Man,
and Dante. Man, it's good to hear from you. Get man.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Absolutely, stay tuned.
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Hey y'all, it's the Girl Row and today on Tea Time,
It's gonna be a little different. So I am not
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me in a different form. But I do have some
tea for you in a way. Actually it's a very
(34:46):
interesting topic. So I came across this post and it
was talking about Kiki Palmer recalls filing for bankruptcy at
the age of eighteen years old and how she lives
below her meetings quote unquote, got a Toyota right now
in my driveway. And you know what, I am not
mad at this, Okay, Like, if you go spend and
(35:11):
spend and spend and spen and spending. You ain't gonna
have no more nor more money left right right? Okay,
And you know a lot of people, celebrities, people that
have money, people that are around you, that you're surrounded by,
that have money, and you're like, how do they keep
this money? Right? Yes, there are ways that people know
how to make money, make extra sources of income, but
(35:33):
how do they keep it?
Speaker 7 (35:34):
They keep it by looking like they're broke.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
They are driving cars like Toyota. They are not buying
expensive jewelry. They are not buying expensive clothes and shoes,
shoes that are four hundred dollars or more, like cars
that probably cost more than their house.
Speaker 9 (35:53):
You know, they don't buy all these things. A lot
of stories about celebrities I have seen where they have
gone bankrupt because they kept just splurging and spending money
and just thinking that they can avoid all those problems.
Were like, Oh, it's just gonna keep coming in. I'll
be good, I'll be good. I'm straight, I ain't worried.
Their head got too big, and that's where it landed.
(36:14):
You see, I am all for bargain shopping. I do
not like to spend my money.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
I'm not even gonna lie to you.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
But that also might be like a capricorn thing. Who knows.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
I like to make my money. I do not like
to spend my money.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
If you get it, you get it.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
You know you know.
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Speaker 7 (36:36):
I personally, I actually agree with the girl.
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For the.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Welcome to the Outlaws. This is Darby Oda Kingtonmorrow alongside
Robin O'Malley and Dante bry don't forget too Like us
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Outlaws Radio. We have a special interview that we're gonna
dedicate most of the show to that Dante and i
uh tape together with a guy that you've probably heard
(02:01):
before by the name of Todd Allen, and he's the
situation that he's dealing with is a very significant and crazy,
crazy situation that we wanted to shed some light too,
So we're gonna get into that on the fun side. Though,
you know, later on in the show we will hear
(02:22):
from Robin for the tea time with real segment, so
stay tuned for that. But let's get into our interview
with Todd Allen right now. Okay, normally I would say
you're a very special guest, but I mean this, this
ain't no very special.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
He's read on this show before we all know him.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
You know how like when when you have like a
friend that the first time they come to the house,
you get him something to drink. You'd be like, hey,
you know you want something to eat, blah blah blah.
By that third or fourth time they come to the house,
it's like, you know where the refrigerator is, Go get
the stuff, Go get the fool, Go get the drink.
So that's that's this guest right here, Uh Todd Allen.
(03:04):
Many of you, if you longtime listeners of this network,
you remember the Todd Allen Show.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
We're gonna get into a lot of stuff that we
got to talk about.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
In this interview.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But first, uh, Todd, welcome, back.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
How you doing, sir.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I'm well, thank you, man, and thanks for that introduction,
and I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, that's exactly how this goes, so.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
So, of course, it's always always a good time when
when we get a chance to talk to to particularly
with Dante being a part of the show.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I'm Todd the reason why I met Dante.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I met Dante through time, so.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I didn't even want to say that because I knew
he was gonna take credit for but so it's always
always a good time, but this time it's on a
little bit of a somber and crazy occasion. Dante and
(04:14):
I were talking to Todd a little bit during like
before the interview started, and we were both kind of
like dumbfounded as to how this situation that Todd is
going to tell you how it played out and why
it played out like it did, because it doesn't really
make sense. It's extremely inconsistent, particularly considering some of the
(04:35):
things that the country is dealing with right now. But
we'll touch on that in a little bit. So Todd,
let's just start start going to beginning, like tell people
what's been going on?
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Wow, Okay, how do we unpack this? Okay?
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Twenty nineteen, my my wife and I were married in Columbia,
South America. I say South America because some people, some
listers right say oh, Columbia, South Carolina, New Liutford. Further south, Columbia,
South America in Bogota, Columbia, and we're married.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
In twenty nineteen.
Speaker 8 (05:11):
The idea was for me to come back to the
United States because it was college professor working at a
large institution in the Cleveland area and I had to
get back to work. With the idea of that during
spring break, I would go back down to Colombia and
(05:33):
we would start the process for the visa to have
my family accompany me in the United States. Well, in
February of twenty twenty, COVID hit and the world shot down,
and my wife and I were separated for the first
year of our marriage. I say it was the first
(05:54):
year of our marriage because it wasn't until September of
twenty twenty when Columbia opened its borders and were allowing
people to be able to fly into Colombia, South America.
At that particular time, all of our courses were online
(06:15):
and it didn't make sense for me at that point
to be separated from my family because everything was online,
why not just do everything from Colombia. So that's what
I did. I sold everything and I moved to Columbia,
South America. I thought that the Spanish that I had
(06:38):
learned a little a little bit of Spanish that I
had learned in the classroom was enough for me to
be able to handle myself.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
And I soon found out when the plane landed that
I didn't know much of anything. I was about the
doubles a Dale duck. So it's been an immersion, been
an experience. I do want to say this before I
get too long winded. I am not a passport bro.
I'm an Expatrick.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
So there is a.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Difference because he said that ladies and gentlemen because I
jokingly called him a passport bro before the start.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Yes, yes, and I have I have. I have some
very good friends who are passport bros.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
But I'm not one of those. So during that year,
everything was fine. Uh, maintain my courses, everything I was
supposed to do.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Students.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
Now, students have always been able to get in touch
with me because from day one, I give them my
cell phone number, my WhatsApp number, my private personal email.
They know how to get access to me twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week. And many of
my colleagues they don't give out their personal numbers because
they feel some kind of way. Then now I have
(08:03):
my personal numbers, but they also have what I have,
what I call a VoIP of voiceover Internet protocol where
if they leave a text, they leave a message, it
will actually write it out in text and I could
respond to them, et cetera, et cetera. So twenty twenty
in twenty twenty one, I was on sabbatic. I was
(08:24):
doing a research project which was researching the economic impact
of COVID on Colombia and did an extensive study on
that and actually created a video that I put on
the YouTube to be able for people to take a
look at it and understand what was going on, and
it was quite interesting. It was also during that time
(08:48):
here that we lost my mother in law due to
it was set due to COVID.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
But we all know that.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
Hospitals kind of received benefits when they when they were
able to put this kind of when they said this
was actual thing that that took care of PEP that
people were deleted. But so a little bit skeptical because
you know, she did have.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
A heart attack.
Speaker 8 (09:18):
So, long story short, that was twenty through twenty one.
Coming into twenty twenty two, I had a new manager.
The old manager was still there, but the old manager
was the supervisor of this new manager. And the old
manager has and it told me to my face they
(09:38):
had always known where I was and they could always
get in touch with So, long story short, new manager.
I only had issues with the college during the summer months,
and so during the regular academic year, I was again
separated from my family for long periods of time. Long
story short. We applied for spouse a visa to come
(10:04):
into the United States. We were denied because we had
not taken the COVID vaccine. This was in twenty twenty two,
twenty twenty three, so this was after COVID had had
run its course and it was actually slowing down if
(10:24):
any cases were being reported at that point.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
We applied.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
We were denied because my wife didn't take the vaccine,
neither did I, and I didn't take the vaccine because
in the state of Ohio, we were not mandated to
do so because not only am I I'm in ohioan
and because of the Constitution of Ohio. My governor said,
we don't have to take it. So I decided at
(10:49):
that point I wasn't going to and other things. Of course,
the college knew what my situation was. The college knew
that I was experience seeing stress and anxiety over this
entire situation. I had expressed this to my managers upon
multiple occasions, and I was seeking some help. I had
(11:12):
a psychology psychiatry psychologist that I was working with on
a regular basis to manage stress and learning techniques to
manter stress, building mental resilience in the old nine and
I had expressed to the college that you know, this
was a situation and how can we receive some accommodations.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Crickets.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
So flash forward to this past September, the college decided
that they no longer needed my services. Fourteen years with
the college, thirteen going on, fourteen years with the college
tenured professor. I had just received nomination the previous semester
for one of their most prestigious teaching excellence awards, and
(11:57):
with them terminating our relationship, no severance, no handshake, and
they also want to deny me.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Unemployment, so they're forcing me into retirement. So that's where
I stand. That's the story.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Wow, Dante, I know that you are former student of Todd's.
Talk a little bit about what the accessibility was to
him when you were one of his students.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, so I can speak to a lot of things
about Todd. First and foremost the accessibility. So first day
of class, when every college professor, every every teacher is
handing out a syllabus, Todd is handing out a syllabus,
but he's also saying, hey, write down my cell phone
number right down.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I don't know if he had what's up at the time,
because you know, this was I had you twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, pre WhatsApp.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah so this was pre WhatsApp. But it's like, you know,
here's my personal self phone, here's my personal email. Actually,
you know, it was saying I would prefer for you
guys to use that because I'll always get it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I may not be any office.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
You know, things happen, right, I may not check my
work email all the time, but if you really need
to email me, just send it to my personal email.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
So, And an example of this is I missed the
class once, just had something going on in life. It
was a summer class, and I called Todd maybe two
hours after the class, and he spent an hour on
the phone with me going over what we would have
went over in class.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So that's first, and formal accessibility was never an issue
when I had to you know, when I took the class,
I'm sure it was pretty much the same.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So, but then the second thing is teaching style. And
I'm not just saying this because you're on the show
or because we have a relationship. I've told Darvo this,
I've told people who don't even know you this. But
the teaching style was incredible. I've never had a professor
at any institution, at any any level of my academic career.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Give you material and be as accessible as Tod was.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And when I say give you material, I don't mean
provide you with a slanted view or this is how
I want you to think.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I mean just present the material as is and let
you make your own decision.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I tell people this all the time our final paper,
because I think I had you for a macro.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It wasn't you know.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I'm going to give you the economic system. No, we
win overall the economic systems. Your task is to then
you tell me which works best, and how I'm going
to grade you is not based on like whether I agree,
which is based on just how well you support it
with what we went over in class, right, so that
I can tell you at you know, at different institutions
my my, which I ended up changing my major to econ,
(15:04):
that was not how things went right. And I think
a lot of ECON students con tept that is not
how their classes go at you know, at different institutions.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So yeah, this was uh yeah in terms of excessive,
but that was never a problem.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
You could call it todd at seven pm on a
Saturday and be like, Hey, I was struggling with this,
with this paper or with this book.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Can we talk about it for a second.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, And you know, you look up and it's thirty
five minutes later and were still talk and it's like, oh, wow,
you just got another lecture.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And so that was never a problem, right, right, And
so you know, the thing that.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Is the most kind of disturbing to me or the
most illogical, the thing that doesn't make the most sense,
going back to the fact that you got that your
wife got denied for visa. Here you have people who
are trying to do it the right way. You're trying
(16:03):
to bring your family over here. You're an American citizen
and you're trying to bring your foreign family over here legally,
and you're getting a hard.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Time because of not taking the COVID shot.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
For a pandemic that is already over, that was already
over at the time. Meanwhile, the southern border people could
just walk. I would joke with you all the time
when I would ask you what was going on. I'll
tell you, man, you might as well just tell her
to go to the border and tell y'all, I'll pick
you up on the other side.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Like, it doesn't make any sense to me that here you.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Are trying to do it the right way and you're
getting all this hard time and everything leading up to
the fact where the separation from you not wanting to
be separated from your family cause you to lose your job. Meanwhile,
people could just walk in anytime they want to in
the border right now.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, the the.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
It's bizarre. I mean, what this showed me was a
couple of things. Well, I mean, I was I was
fighting two systems. Not only was I fighting the federal system,
I'm also fighting the state system and the state system
as related to this particular institution. They created the you know,
a policy. You know, one of the policies that they
(17:24):
created was not in the in the the agreement, the
contract right the employment contract, but was added later. But
a lot of times people say case by case basis,
it wasn't that they didn't know. It wasn't that I
was doing anything in secret.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
They knew right when we had a they called it
a predisciplinary hearing, but you know, it was really an inquisition.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
And I stated, if we if I had the video,
if if we had the visa, that we would not
be having this issue there would you would have to
be worried about me doing online courses outside the state
of Ohio.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Uh, you know, which, which is kind of.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Let me stop you right and old on, let me
stop you right there.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
What the hell difference does it make if it's outside
of the state of Ohio, if you're doing if you're
teaching online courses, what difference does it make?
Speaker 8 (18:18):
Well, here's the thing. It's not that it's my residence
is Ohio. I'm an Ohio resident, Okay, So it's not like,
you know, you're teaching outside the state of Ohio and
you're a New York resident, right, or you're a South
Carolina resident. I'm a State of Ohio resident, and I'm
teaching outside during the pandemic was an issue.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
But I'm teaching.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Outside the state of Ohio, right because my family situation
also this past summer would happened. I didn't tell you
this that my wife suffered a second degree burn on
her face.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
So during this time So during this time.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
Period, you're asking me to be separated from my family
for two days minimum of three hours. And my wife
has second degree burned on her face and I'm supposed
to be separated from my family during that time period.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Do you understand the psychological impact that that had on
my wife?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I mean, here, here's here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
Anytime, anytime that I was coming back to the US,
because you know, because I have to do my job.
And I enjoyed what I did, Okay, I enjoyed that.
I'm not saying I didn't enjoy I enjoyed what I did.
But what happened was that the environment in which I
was working in became unattainable. They were causing me to
make a decision between my family and the job, and
(19:36):
even though that they didn't want to say, they would say, well,
did we say that explicitly? No, you didn't say it explicitly.
You said it implicitly with your policy. And then when
I'm asking for some help for a for accommodations, right now,
you know there's there Now there's no process, or if
there is a process, who's helping me with the process
from HR?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
So you know it's questionable.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
I understand that that that most bureaucracies are there to
support themselves and it's always as they say, next man up,
or next person up or next woman up. Okay, I
get it, but you don't value you don't value the
relationships with the people that have been there and that
have that have provided quality service. I mean, Dante is
just is just one of many students that that you know,
(20:24):
I had the pleasure of building relationship.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
He's not the only one.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
But you know, there comes a point at my age,
I have to live my values in order to be happy,
and so that's what I chose to do. I chose
my family over the profession, and they didn't like it,
and so they're being very vindictive as it relates to that.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
More to come stay tuned, will be right back here
on the Oulaws.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
cREL Conversations.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
We got.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
This is the your lost radio show.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Walking back and listening to the Outlaws. Here's a conclusion
of our interview with Todd Allen Dante me your thoughts
on the situation and if you got any any questions
or comments for time, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The sort the COVID mandate is just really perplexing to
me because one, I didn't know that that was still
in I didn't know that that was still a thing.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
I get this, I get I get that reaction every
time I tell the stories, like is that still a thing?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Just because of where we are in the process. I mean,
I don't, I don't. I really don't want to get
us into any trouble. I know, Darvyo'll probably sitting on
pins and needles over there because he knows how I
feel about.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Some of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
But I just I just don't understand how we've progressed
so far and know what we know now about you know,
what protection you really have with the you know, like
everybody's saying, trust the science. I don't understand how the
science has gotten us to this point with COVID and
(22:15):
the vaccine, that we're still having COVID mandates. That part
is really shocking to me. But then the other part
is like you know, like Darbiel said, I mean, you
don't need to you don't need a COVID vaccine if
you're just going to cross the border, right, I don't
know if there was a COVID mandate for I mean,
we we've seen towns like Springfield basically beg migrants to
(22:38):
come out. I don't know if there's a a COVID
mandate to come to So that that part is is
really wild.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's a good question. That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
We should find that out if you want a tourist visa.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Really that is wild.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I just but that's the I mean, that's the thing
about government bureaucracy, right, like it never really makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yes, that's stupid, like that that makes no sense at all,
Like none of this makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah that no, And that's but that's government bureaucracy. And
that so again, I mean we're just seeing you know,
lives Room because of its vaccine with COVID, and our
elected officials will pretend like, you know, no, it's not
a big deal, never happened. One question though, Todd did
did it? And I don't know if you noticed before COVID,
(23:37):
but did they have any problem with out of state
teachers teaching online classes before the pandemic?
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Well, my understanding is that in order to be a
teacher this particular institution, in the rather large institution in
the Cleveland area, that you need to be a resident
of the state.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Okay, so you know, but they have hired.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Many hires many they've hired many administrators who were outside
the state, who who have come into the state after
they get their job. Okay, whether it's New York or wherever. Okay,
so I mean, but but the thing is that there
there have always been stories of professors who don't show
(24:25):
up the office hours haven't been seen for you know,
a long periods of time or a long time or
what have you, and and and and all of those things.
But as I said, my dean, my director, my dean
had told me to my face that she had always
been able to get in touch with and when other
(24:46):
deans were saying how they couldn't get in touch with
individuals that they had, my dean always knew how to
get in touch with always, And you know, I wasn't
operating in obscurity.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
It's like, hey, my wife is in Columbia. We're working
on the visa, trying to get my family here, and
my wife wanted the visas, but she wanted to be
with me when I traveled because she didn't like for
me to travel alone. My wife takes exceptional care of me.
I mean, she's a wonderful woman.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
And that was the thing.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
It's like, Okay, well you're there in the US. I'm
here in Colombia, and you know, we do what we
do what we need to do, but we're family.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
This is my wife.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
And knowingly, why would you have a policy to where
you know that you're separating your family. Where where in
the political system that we had, we had people talk about, well,
you're separating families at the border, you're putting people in
cages and all this other bovide experiment.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
But then you have have my situation, and those.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Very people who were hollering and screaming about this very thing,
and now all of a sudden they're mute, you know,
and and they're dumb and they have no opinion on it,
because hey, you know what, this is the policy that
they put in place. But but what do you what
does a person do when a policy is unjust in
a particular situation? Isn't isn't that called civil disobedience?
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Isn't that? What isn't that?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
What?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
You know?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
We have civil we have civil rights. We're all about
and what happens when a person if a person is
is on drugs, right and they want help, do you
fire them? I'm not on drugs. I ask for help,
but I get no response. I get crickets.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Well, you know, I don't know that was quote unquote
well you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Wow, are any any last words that you have, uh,
for Todd Dante or for the situation in general?
Speaker 4 (27:05):
No, I'm I'm really kind of stunned that they would
let you go, especially, like I said, I can speak
to the because I've had you, And I mean, I'm,
like you said, I'm not the only student that's had
you that would that would speak lonely about you.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So I'm kind of it saddened me to know that
you would let go a really good.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Professor, really, because it boils down to and I just,
you know, because of a COVID vaccine. Because that's where
my mind goes initially, like, I wonder if there was
another reason why.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You couldn't get your family to the country, if that
would if they would be more willing to work.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And I don't know, I just I have certain opinions
about academics, and I just wonder that if maybe they're
more inclined to side against you because of knowing that
that may be the reason why you your family can't
get so that that's where my mind goes, like maybe
the deck is already kind of stacked against you because
(28:06):
they're not too happy that you wouldn't play along and
get the vaccine either.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So but yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Loser to lose a great professor over that is really something.
It says something about the college too. Yeah, And I
think that's a good question, Dante. It is a good question,
and I would love to find that out.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Like if it wasn't about not taking a COVID vaccine,
if there was some other hiccup, would they have been
more accommodating. I think that's a very it's a very
good question.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I think we kind of have our suspicions, but but.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Find out, as I said, I mean, they will give
the policy reasons, you know, outside state of Ohio Online
that but as I said, during the summer, it's a
different contract. During the academic year, I was there and
(29:02):
for the entire academic year, not just the fall, but
the spring as well, and was nominated for one of
their top Teaching awards.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So, so, what's what's next for you? Todd?
Speaker 8 (29:21):
What is?
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
What's what's the plane?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
A last?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know?
Speaker 8 (29:31):
What?
Speaker 9 (29:31):
Here?
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Here, here's what I'm doing. I'm working on you know,
I'm I'm a teacher. That's that's what I do. And
so I'm working on a coaching program called Happiosity. I'm
talking about, uh, happiness literacy. And through this whole thing,
I've developed some resilience. I've developed I've.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Found some tools that are helpful to kind of help
people to cope, to.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Reduce their anxiety, reducer stress levels, to build optimism and
and I'm happy. And again not happy with the situation
that took place, but I'm happy because I took the stance,
and my stance was that my family is valuable to me.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And you know, is it challenging.
Speaker 8 (30:14):
Absolutely, But when a person lives their values, that's when
they really find their purpose and their happiness.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
And so I'm happy I'm happiest then I've.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Been in a long long time. And now I'm able
to help more people like Dante, like the former students
I have outside of the walls of that particular institution,
and I'm opening up to the world. I'm upening it
up to the global community now and so that makes
me happy. That makes me very very happy. So what's
(30:44):
next for me is to continue my coaching program and
grow my YouTube channel, grow my social media and my
goal is to become the number one personal development coach
on the face of the planet.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
That's my goal.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
All right, Well, you've never been a modest person, so
that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Modesty.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, well, thanks for for stopping by mass spending the time,
which it was under better circumstances.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Man, But we're gonna well.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Hey, you guys, you guys still have an open invitation
to come down here to Columbia.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Man. I mean, I understand that, you know you you
don't like fresh fruits.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
With seeds and all that stuff, and sunshine and beaches
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I mean, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I'm not opposed to taking that trip either, but you
just what you just described sounds like Florida, Like, how
you go to Florida.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Well, let me let me, let me, let me put
it this way.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
It's could be, it's it could be. It's like Florida
because it's on the career. There's a Caribbean side as well,
but it's ten times less expensive.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Well that's true. I'm glad, Dario.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
We should make that trip, but not necessarily for the
you know, for the food or even even the costs.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
On that note, we're gonna get out of here, Man time.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Man, Yeah, I appreciate you. Man, Thank you so much. Man,
and Dante. Man, it's good to hear from you. Get man.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Absolutely, stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
We have more to come here on the Outlaws.
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Speaker 8 (32:43):
You know, you know me.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
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Speaker 1 (34:12):
Turn it up, y'll set up the infectation, the latest
celebrity news and gossip explation. It's Tea Time with Roe
on the Outlaws radio show.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
Hey y'all, it's the Girl Row and today on Tea Time,
It's gonna be a little different. So I am not
quite with the guys recording, but they are here with
me in a different form. But I do have some
tea for you in a way. Actually it's a very
(34:46):
interesting topic. So I came across this post and it
was talking about Kiki Palmer recalls filing for bankruptcy at
the age of eighteen years old and how she lives
below her meetings quote unquote, got a Toyota right now
in my driveway. And you know what, I am not
mad at this, Okay, Like, if you go spend and
(35:11):
spend and spend and spen and spending. You ain't gonna
have no more nor more money left right right? Okay,
And you know a lot of people, celebrities, people that
have money, people that are around you, that you're surrounded by,
that have money, and you're like, how do they keep
this money? Right? Yes, there are ways that people know
how to make money, make extra sources of income, but
(35:33):
how do they keep it?
Speaker 7 (35:34):
They keep it by looking like they're broke.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
They are driving cars like Toyota. They are not buying
expensive jewelry. They are not buying expensive clothes and shoes,
shoes that are four hundred dollars or more, like cars
that probably cost more than their house.
Speaker 9 (35:53):
You know, they don't buy all these things. A lot
of stories about celebrities I have seen where they have
gone bankrupt because they kept just splurging and spending money
and just thinking that they can avoid all those problems.
Were like, Oh, it's just gonna keep coming in. I'll
be good, I'll be good. I'm straight, I ain't worried.
Their head got too big, and that's where it landed.
(36:14):
You see, I am all for bargain shopping. I do
not like to spend my money.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
I'm not even gonna lie to you.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
But that also might be like a capricorn thing. Who knows.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
I like to make my money. I do not like
to spend my money.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
If you get it, you get it.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
You know you know.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
But yes, let me know what y'all think.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
I personally, I actually agree with the girl.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Let me know one more time.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Shout out to tide Out for coming on the show.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
We'd really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
We are out of here. You see you next time.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
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