Ep. 411 - Election Aftermath

The team analyzes the results of Tuesday's presidential election and more. 

Episode Transcript

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Miss O'Malley, how you doing.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I'm good, I mean I'm better today. I mean listen,
we're already to discussed a little bit. But you know,
it's it's been a lot of emotions flowing but I'm good.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, we're gonna we're gonna talk about that in a
little bit and hope that we can help ease your
mind a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
We'll we'll have that discussion a little bit later. Donte.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
How you doing, sir, I'm doing great. You know, I
enjoyed a theater of elections now more than ever. Trump
makes everything, and Trump makes our political circus even more
of a circus. So I'm just fascinated really by his

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entire political career at this point. But yeah, I'm doing great.
It's been a it's been a pretty it's been an
interesting week.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I say that. Remember when you were like, he's done,
he ain't gonna win.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh, I've been like that, camp, I've been like that
was his career, his political career, at least five different times.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
And what did I tell you? I told you nah.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
And we had this conversation during the primary. He was like,
I don't remember if we we might have had this
on the air. I don't remember if we had it
on the air or not. But he was like, he
can't win. I'm like, yes, he can't.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Remember I didn't say he can't win. I said he's
swimming way uphill or upstream because and do you remember,
do you remember?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Why? Tell me so?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
The biggest reason why I thought Trump was cooked was
not only because of jants of January sixth, or they're
calling it j six right or one six to try
to make it sound close to nine to eleven, right,
But because of January sixth on top of he didn't
he was They got Biden out of there. Well here's

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the thing, and boy Kamala had all the vibes in
August and September.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Well, we'll talk.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
We'll talk about it in a second, because we're gonna
we're gonna do a deep dive.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
In a minute.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
But there was a time, now it may not have
been this time that you were talking about, but there
was a time where you didn't think he could win.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
And I've been saying from the very beginning, and I
remember specifically a conversation that we had, and I don't
remember if it was on the raw off there, but
a conversation that we had where I said I bet
against him in twenty sixteen, where I thought he was
not gonna win and he made me look stupid.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
And I was never gonna do that again because he is,
and people are learning this.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
They have learned this, now they learned it. He is
a unique figure in American politics. There have been things
that would have destroyed regular politicians, and he is not
a regular politician. Has been clearly demonstrated. So let's let's

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start here.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Let's give a quick a assessment. Of course, everybody knows you.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
If you don't know by now, I don't know where
the hell you've been. But we're also going to break
things down too. So of course, Donald Trump won the
presidency on Tuesday. He becomes the first president since the
eighteen hundreds to win an election, lose an election, and
win again. Not only was the victory historic in that regard,

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he also becomes the first Republican to win a majority
of the popular vote since two thousand and four. He
also became the first Republican to win an outright majority
of Hispanic men as well as over twenty percent of

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Black men. And according to to some of the numbers,
some of the numbers that we're starting to see now,
Trump won fifteen around fifteen percent of the black vote nationwide,
which is what if you saw on social media, that's
why I predicted he would do, which is the largest

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percentage of the black vote of any Republican in the
last forty eight years. It was an annihilation. He destroyed
Kamalai Harris in over was it nine thousand sam odd
counties in America. Trump did better in twenty twenty four

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than in twenty twenty in virtually all of them.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Across the board.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
In states like New Jersey, which is a deep blue,
deep deep blue state, he only lost New Jersey by
five his margin in New York when he lost Your
Neck of the Woods, Dante, he cut his his losing

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margin in half in New York.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I just want to say one thing. That is my
mother's and my family.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I got a lot of facial families, right right. That's
why I'm not.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
A New Yorker. Let's we got to get that straight.
I am not a New Yorker. I love the Yankees.
I was about to say, Bizza, but that's about it.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
You're a Yankees fan, bro no sing.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I love the Yankees, but that's about it when it
comes to New York and I love I love my family,
but that's it.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
But that's your family's stomping grounds, which is why I
said that.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
He cut his margin in half. He got over forty
percent of the.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Vote in California, Like there isn't a single place in
fifty states. In fifty states, Trump improved. He won more
votes in twenty twenty four than twenty twenty in forty
eight of them.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
This was a beatdown.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'll give you another example locally in our home base
of Ohio, Trump unimaginably improved his winning percentage. He won
in twenty sixteen in Ohio by eight points. He won
in twenty twenty by eight points. Last I checked, he
was winning by eleven or twelve in Ohio this year.

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Not only that, out of eighty eight counties, we have
eighty eight counties in the state of Ohio, Trump got
more votes in twenty twenty four than in twenty twenty
in eighty.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Five of our eighty eight counties, including.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Deep deep blue Franklin County which is Columbus, and kya Hoga,
which is Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
It was a blowout.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
So when you and I've heard Democrats and we're going
to talk about this, Dante, because you mentioned before the
show started, one of their excuses that you're hearing a lot.
They're trying to blame the win on misogyny, they're trying
to blame them, which is very hard to do because
Trump actually won white women again.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
By the way, he won of white women.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
So Kamala Harrison's campaign didn't win as many women as
they thought they would win.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's easy to blame this on other things, but it's.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Kind of difficult to make that past the smell test
when you get beat down like this. She lost votes everywhere, everywhere.
This was the worst beatdown of a Democrat presidential candidate since.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
The nineteen eighties.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
This was a landslide, So it's extremely difficult to try
to blame this on something else to how.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Do you blame this on misogyny? For example?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
When Trump won white women again, how do you blame
this on racism? When Trump received the largest share of
the non white vote of any Republican since the nineteen seventies,
if not the nineteen sixties, how do.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
You blame it on that.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Obviously there's a different problem. Obviously the Democratic Party has
work to do, and we're gonna talk a little bit
about what I think they need to do moving forward
and what I think they have been doing that isn't working.
But first down, sell your thoughts on the election.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, so a couple of two things. First, and I
tweeted this Wednesday because I was Trump's political career is astonishing.
For some people, it's astonishing in a great way. For
other people, they're terrified by it. But whatever it is,
however you feel about it, this guy is the ultimate

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political enigma. We've never had anyone like him, maybe since
I don't think there has been anyone like him in
the modern political era. And when I say modern era,
I'm just going back to let's just call FDR the
modern era. We've never seen anyone like this. I mean,
we're talking about the Republican president who lost Georgia, then

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lost both Senate seats with his candidates in Georgia should
have been dead after the January sixth thing, which, no
matter how you feel about it, it should have killed
any political career, any political future.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
You have.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
To now fast forward, and he just put together the
most diverse Republican coalition we've ever seen. So I don't
know how you can even marry those two ideas, but

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he's done it in basically eight years or four years. Really,
the thing, I mean, some of this stuff is crazy
to me. I mean, you know, there's a county in
Texas where there was it has been in eight years,
a seventy six point shift towards him. It's a border

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county in Texas. The name off the top of my head,
it scase me, but it's a border county in Texas
and it's shifted seventy six points in the last eight
years towards Trump. There's a forty black county and town county.
I believe it's the name in North Carolina, forty percent black.

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He won it, the second Republican president to win that
county since the Civil War. Some of this is, you know,
you talked about where he won and where he lost,
but made up ground. I mean, you had to hold

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on to your hats if you're a Democrat. Because Trump
was leading into in Virginia until the wee hours of
the morning, right, And we talked about this on the
show last week because we said, it's mighty interesting that
he is going to make a stop and hold a

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rally in Virginia this late in the game. They must
know something. There must be something that they've got internally
that they know Virginia's on the table, and they were right.
She barely by the skin of her teeth got Virginia
for a while there. It was you had to keep
refreshing to see, like, wait, are those numbers in New

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Jersey reel? Is it like New Jersey's within the margin
of era? Like is this a what's going on? I mean,
we've never seen anything like this from a guy whose
political career, for most candidates, would have been dead after
that rally in New York. Nah, still did better than

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any Republican president probably has ever done with Spanish speaking voters.
The guy is what was the number eighty five of
eighty eight counties in Ohio? I mean, Ohio is not
even remotely in the swing state. And then the real
kicker is that Republicans were supposed to pick up two

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seats in the Senate, supposed to pick up two seats
in the Senate, and they were supposed to lose the House. Now,
if you ask me, the last two years, they deserve
to lose the House because they have been out of
their minds, complete disaster. But because of Trump's dominance, they

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may hold on to the House. We'll see, they were
supposed to win two seats. They were supposed to grab
that seat in Wyoming and of course West Virginia. Well,
they picked up more than them, and now they're going
to have complete control in the Senate. And they made
races that should not have been racist is in the

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Senate because of how dominant Trump was. Let's think about this.
Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin, she almost lost. She's lucky to
still be a senator. Bob or McCormick gave Casey in
Pennsylvania a run for his money.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Oh wait a minute, brother, that race has been that
race has been called McCormick won.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
McCormick won that ra Oh wow, yes he did. They
just called it today.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Wow. And then in Michigan. I mean, we're so in
those two instances, you are talking about incumbents who were
very popular, who at one point, even in October, we're
polling between seven to twelve points ahead of their challenging.
These are incumbents and in one case, McCormick he won,

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and Tammy Baldwin by the skin of her teeth held
on to that Senate seat in Wisconsin. So this is
this is an abject, abject disaster for Democrats and they
have nowhere else to look but in the mirror. And
I promise you if they use the cop out, because

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that's what I believe this is. This is a cop
out to use racism and misogyny. It is a cop
I told somebody this, or it is a cop out,
the same way that we have chastised Republicans on this
show for saying, you know, I don't need to campaign

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the black voters because you know, black folks don't vote
for Republicans, so why would I talk to black voters.
That's a cop out. That is, you are willingly shrinking
your tent. Darvo. I know your feelings on this, but
I was trained in politics that you never willfully shrink
your own tent. You never you never cancel out potential

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voters go compete for the vote. It would be the
same way for Democrats. It's the same type of cop
out for Democrats to say, well, she just lost because
of you know, racism and misogyny. Your base is black women.
So if you're saying that she lost because of racism

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and misogyny and your bas is black women, that means
you are telling your base that we will never again
run a black woman or a woman of color at
all ever again, because you can't. You can't, on the
one hand, say she lost because of racism and misogyny,
and then four years, eight years, twelve years later, run
another black woman, or run a black person. You also

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can't say, well, you know, democrats love love love. Everybody
loves to throw out you know, Michelle Obama would win.
If Michelle Obama would run, she would win. Right now,
those of us who really follow politics are like, you know,
she doesn't really like politics, she doesn't want to do that, right,
but everybody seems to believe that if she runs, she

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would win in the last line against anybody. Well, last
time I checked, she's she's a black woman, right, So
you can't have it both ways.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
That is a cop out.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Find out, figure out why you lost. I have some
ideas maybe people the way people feel about the economy
is one, but figure out why and don't willfully shrink
your tent, just the same way we tell Republicans, don't
don't pretend that I might as well not talk to
black voters because they don't vote for Republicans. Yeah, okay,

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well just be prepared to lose. Then, if you are
going to say, well, you know, racism and misogyny and transphobia,
and you know the gender wars, does that play a factor.
Maybe is it quantifiable. We don't know. We can't really
quantify it. So why would you willfully just shrink your tent.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's a very good question. I completely agree with all
of that.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
One thing I do want to address, and then what
we're gonna do is we're gonna take a break, and
then we're gonna come and then when we come back,
we're gonna have a very what I think is an
important and interesting discussion about what happened. I want to
we're gonna talk to Robin about some of the things
that she saw on social media in some of the

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ways that she was feeling, particularly as somebody who doesn't
really pay attention to politics all like.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
That, but it is seeing and hearing all of these
different things.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
And all these different reactions from people about the election,
and we're gonna have a good conversation on that, and
so we're gonna have We're gonna do that after the break,
because I don't want to mix it all in. I
want to make sure that we have plenty of time
to kind of have that conversation to kind of work
that out.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
But before we do that, before we go to break,
one thing I want to address is the why, and then.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Dante will get your thoughts on the why as well,
and then we'll go to break. Really, if you understand politics,
the why is real simple.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yep. The incumbent party. Let's start here. The incumbent party.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
That means the party in power right now has never
ever maintained power got re elected or another candidate from
the same party got elected. When this large amount of
people feel that the economy is as bad as it is,

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and when they have this large of a disapproval rating
of the president in the office.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Right now, never ever, ever, ever ever, And.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
The problem that I have the thing that I'm really
pissed off about, I'm angry at the media, at the
mainstream media.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
For lying to people.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
They've been lying to people this entire time, making people feel.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Like they got this in the bag. Trunk came when
we about to make history.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
And when you make people feel that way and the
opposite happens, it devastates them. It breaks them, It destroys
them emotionally and mentally. They don't know how to function.
And you're seeing a lot of that because there are.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
People who really truly believed that what happened on Tuesday
was not going to happen, and particularly the way that
it happened.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Everybody said, this race is real close, look at the polls,
this tight. It really wasn't.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Trump was in the lead and he's probably been in
the lead the entire time, but they don't tell you that.
You know why they don't tell you that, because if
they told you the truth about where the race really was,
where the race has always been, it would depress Democrat

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turnout and she would have lost even more and they
would have got wiped out in the House and they
would have lost even.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
More sentence seats.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
So the media creates this illusion of this being a
horse race when it really wasn't. Now you all know,
and like like I told Dante, I knew from the
beginning that Trump was gonna win.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I've been saying from the beginning that I believed he
was going to win.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
No matter what happened, because the economy was too bad
and the Democrats ran a campaign that didn't address the
things that people cared about.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I remember seeing an interview with a.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Woman in Vegas, I believe, and the Democrats was running
this campaign abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, It's
all they wanted to talk about. And the thing that
was real interesting to me because this woman, I believe
she was a black woman. She said, Look, I'm having a.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Hard time feeding the child that I have. I don't
want to talk about abortion.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I want to talk about what policies are you gonna
do to make it easier for me to feed my child.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
When you have a bad economy and inflation is this high,
people aren't happy.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
And then the Biden administration got on television and gas
lit everybody day after day after day after day.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Telling them it's not that bad.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Look at this chart. The rate of the inflation is
going down. Well, ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you
a little bit about the trick that they played when
they said that, okay.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Inflation spite dramatically high.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
After they took office, they particularly after they passed the
American Rescue point.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
That was when inflation spiite.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Now when they say inflation is coming down, inflation is
not coming down. The rate of inflation was coming down,
so it wasn't going up as high this year as
it was last year or the year before. But the
prices themselves have not returned to pre COVID numbers. They

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have not returned to the prices that they were before
twenty twenty one, so you're still feeling it. I saw
a video with Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe, who was
shot to discover what the actual price of butter is.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
These are the things that regular people are dealing with.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
And there was a lot of people who went into
that voting booth and said, I don't like this guy,
but you know what, I have more money in my
pocket when he was in office, So I'm gonna vote
for this guy because I need to know how to
feed my children. And when people would ask Kamala what

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her policy was, she had no policy until close to
the end of the election, and they would pretend the
Biden administration would pretend that people weren't.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Even dealing with this.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh, it's just we're just having this is another copy
out Dante. Oh we're just having a hard time communicating.
We just having told you how good things really are.
No people know how bad it is every time they
go to the grocery store, every time they go to
the gas station.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
If you're trying to buy a house, good luck. You
can't deny that.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
And too many times during this campaign the Democratic Party
was denying people's reality. They would get on television and
say one thing, but you would go to the store
and you know, damn well, it's different. You know, damn
well what they said on TV is not the truth.

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But there's a bunch of Kamala Harris voters who were
lied to by the people that they listened to, who
were lied to by these influencers, who were lied to
by these celebrities, who were lied to by these politicians,
who were lied to by these so called journalists.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Anybody could have told you that this was going to happen.
If you were reading my tweets on Twitter, I told
you this was going to happen.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
As a matter of fact, I said this in particular
a week ago after we started seeing the large rate
of returns in early votes for Republicans.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Let me break that down.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
First of all, Republicans typically don't vote early because they
don't trust the system.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
They like to vote on election day.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
The Democrats are usually the ones who vote early at
a higher rate. So when the Republicans are voting early
at a higher rate than the Democrats are and the
Democrats turnout is low, that tells you that gives you
a sign that they may be in trouble. So we
started seeing in a lot of these states, all across
the country, dramatic high turnout among Republican voters in early vote,

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and a member of the Harris campaign said that they
believed that that vote was the Republicans cannibalizing their election.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
They vote, that was their theory.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I quote tweeted that, and I said, they better hold
their right because if they're not, Tuesday is gonna get
real early, real ugly, real quick.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I said that a week ago.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Because it was obvious to anybody who understands this stuff.
It was obvious to anybody who pays attention to politics
that she was in trouble.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
If they were wrong, she was going to get blown out.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Because if the Democrats normally do well in early voting
and the Republicans win election them, if the Democrats are
not are if they're being outvoted, If the Democrats are
being out voted by the Republicans in early vote and
the Republicans still keep their election day advantage, you about

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to get blown out.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
But they didn't tell you that. I started thinking. I
already said I always.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Believed Trump was gonna win, But I started thinking about
two weeks ago and again. I said this publicly too.
I started thinking about two.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Weeks ago, this looks like this might not be close.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
And like I said, I said publicly a week ago
when I saw that that was their strategy, that they
were arguing that Republicans were just cannibalizing their election they vote,
I said, immediately, if you're wrong, you're gonna get blown out.
And they were wrong, and that's exactly what happened. But

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now you have almost half of the country devastated and
just disappointed and hurt and needing to take mental health
days from work because they're just so devastated. They can't
believe what happened because they had no idea that the

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party in power always loses when.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
The economy is this bad.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Dante, your assessment on what the Democrats did wrong, and
then we'll take a break and come back and answer
Robins questions.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Their original sins would take a while to outline. But
let's just start with Joe Biden in twenty twenty said
that he is a what a transitional candidate, I'm a
transitional candidate, which led everyone to believe that he was

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a one term president, right because remember his agenda. What
he said was I'm running to say the soul of
America because he couldn't believe you know, trumpet Charlottesville. Right,
this is what he said, a one term president. He
was supposed to be a one term president. Well, that
was a lie. Joe Biden got a little bit of

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taste of being president, was like, I kind of like it.
And his wife has all reports loved being the first lady.
And he did not want to go anywhere. And that
was their original sin. Why because then it became very
obvious that oh Joe's having a very bad cognitive decline

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in that debate, he's not up for it. And Democrats
were in panic mode because they needed to a replace,
get him to step down, and then find a replacement. Well,
they couldn't go through the primary process because they flubbed that.
So that is the original sin. Then we can talk

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about candidate Harris, who, look, man, you don't want to
kick people while they're down. But VP Harris is a
very very flawed candidate. Democrats know that. That's why they
did not want her to do live media. Right. That
this is not something we haven't said on the show before,

(33:24):
This is not something new. There is a reason why
they limited her to nonscripted media. There is a reason
for that. She only was a candidate for one hundred
and seven days. There is a reason why her sixty
minutes interview was a little bit funky, and they allowed
her to do softball media like you know, all the

(33:47):
Smoke with Steven Jackson or Club Shay Shae. Nothing against
those platforms, but there is a reason why you don't
sit her down every week with Lester Hole, right, because
she's going to be asked tough questions. There's a reason
why she doesn't. You know, she didn't do certain you know,
other outlets because she's going to be asked tough questions

(34:09):
and she struggles with that. So you had a candidate
issue as well. You touched on the point about the economy,
and yeah, I mean when you have close to eighty
percent of the country saying that inflation has affected them

(34:38):
in an adverse way, whether some people said it was
extremely adverse or some people just said it was moderately adverse,
it's going to be very difficult for you to win.
It's just in fact, it's not just difficult, it's probably
impossible for you to win that election simply because you

(34:59):
can talk about women's rights. We can have that discussion.
We can talk about abortion, we can talk about the
border and immigration, we can talk about anything that you
want to talk about. But this is America at the
end of the day. So as progressive as you might be,

(35:22):
when you talk to a person who is the head
of a household, or a mother and father who has
multiple children and they say, yeah, it's interesting because my groceries.
My grocery bill was one hundred and sixty dollars and
now it's almost three hundred and fifty dollars, or you
talk to a guy that says, yeah, like, you know,

(35:42):
my money doesn't stretch as far as it used to.
I don't know why, but like I seem to have
more money under Trump. You can have whatever reason for
that you want. You can dispute that any reason you want.
My degree is an econ. I work with data every day.

(36:05):
If we have my economics professor, one of my econ
professors on the show, this is so if you want
to talk about the jobs report, if you want to
talk about the rate of inflation going down, if you
want to, you can spend it however you want to.
I can play that game with you. I'm going to
tell you it doesn't work because the major whether they're

(36:29):
right or wrong, they're right, by the way, but people
believe that they have been negatively impacted by inflation, and
they're correct. Whether you want to admit it or not,
they're correct. And even if they weren't, their perception is
my money doesn't stretch as far as it used to.

(36:51):
So I don't really want to talk to you about X, Y,
and Z. Let's talk about why my grocery bill is
more than double and I'm struggling because I have I
don't make more money than I used to, but the
money that I make doesn't go as far. It's hard
to get people to look past that. We don't as Americans,

(37:13):
we don't do that. The number one agenda is how
can I feed my family? That's first and foremost always,
so you know, she had a lot of issues. And
then lastly another the other thing that we talked about
last week on the show was data professional. As somebody

(37:35):
who works in data, the biggest sin that you can
commit is interpreting information or interpreting data the way you
want it to be instead of what is actually there.
So when we talked last week about early voting, and

(38:00):
we talked about how her campaign was interpreting the data saying,
maybe they're just cannibalizing their election day margins, or we're
going to push our people to vote on election day,
so we're actually going to have the election day margin.

(38:20):
I've heard that too. That is a fatal flaw when
it comes to interpreting the information that you have, because
that is you hoping that the data turns that way
instead of saying we might actually be in the trouble here.

(38:41):
So I don't think that she made the same fatal
flaws is as Hillary Clinton did.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
But there are some.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Interesting things that came out, including the to go all
the way back to the beginning, just you didn't have
enough time. Part of the reason was because you kind
of mothball the primary process, which is your right to
do because the Democrats run their own primary just like Republicans,

(39:17):
so it is your right to do that. But one
thing we constantly heard was like nobody ever voted for her,
and again that is their right right Democratic party can
they can make their own rules, but sometimes candidates need

(39:37):
to like brandish themselves or prove themselves be interested, like
to walk through a little bit of fire to go
through something right. Tamala ran before and got cut down
pretty quickly by Tulca gabbers. You didn't have the money
and got cut down pretty quickly, and you know, was

(39:58):
out of her primary bid twenty twenty was over. Sometimes,
you know, coming back from a tough debate or having
to run an actual primary campaign and go from state
to state and sharpen your skills a little bit, sometimes.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
That can help. They didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
They offball that process. And that's another thing. Again. The
reality is Democrats can do whatever they want to do. Right,
it's your party. You can nominate who you want. You've
got ballot access in all fifty states. That's your prerogative.
But a big part of this what we saw is

(40:39):
a lot of people in the states that you need.
I'm talking about Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Georgia. A
lot of people, middle class people felt like, these elites
don't hear me. These elites do whatever they want to do.
So when you decide to make up your own rules

(40:59):
and not have a primary and essentially just select and
tell your voters we're selecting her and you're gonna deal
with it. That adds to them feeling like, oh, they
don't hear me. They know you don't hear them when
it comes to inflation, they know you don't hear them

(41:21):
when it comes to other things. They know you hear
them when it comes to abortion and other you know,
things like that, But the things that really matter, they
don't believe you hear them. So that's a huge problem.
And I think all of that led to her ultimately

(41:45):
not even really being competitive in the states that she
needed to be, and that also cost them the Senate.
One quick thing, just to add a moment eleven before
I wrap that up, and I'm I don't believe this, okay,

(42:09):
But to my conspiracy theorist out there, there are votes
missing from twenty twenty. I'm gonna leave it at that because,
just throwing a bone to my friends who believe in conspiracies,
there are a lot of votes missing. The turnout I

(42:29):
don't believe the turnout is down. Okay, the turnouts not down,
they're just votes missing. We'll put it that way. The
votes look the same from twenty twelve. Normal vote count
twenty twelve, twenty sixteen, look about the same in twenty
twenty four. All about the same for Democrats, all about

(42:50):
the same. There's a big spike in twenty twenty. So
we're missing some and I don't know if those yet
to be counted. I don't know where they are, but
we're missing so oh lord, No, I don't get those
because I just wanted to throw a bone to those,
to those of our listeners who are on ready conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Uh, don't get those people started, please, I want.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
To row them up because because the math is in
your favor.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
So on that note, we're gonna take this break and
come back.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
Every we come back, we're gonna talk to Robin about this.
You're listening to the Outlaws, real talk.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Real conversations. We got the heat. This is the Outlaws
Radio Show.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Welcome back, Welcome back, and listening to the Outlaws.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
We are having a conversation about the biggest story in
the world, the presidential election. And Robin and I was
having a very a very good conversation before the show
started that I wanted to bring on the air because
I know that there are there are a lot of
people who feel the way that she felt, who have

(44:14):
the same questions that she does, and I think that
this is this is important it's helpful to have this
kind of conversation to talk this stuff out and to
address the questions that she had.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
So Robin, talk a little bit about what you were
seeing after.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
The election, like the conversation that we had before for
the show, and some of the thoughts and questions you had.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
So the conversation kind of started off with how I
was receiving all of the energy that was flowing around.
I am one person that I tend to receive everybody's
energy around me, and I carry that with me. So
yesterday I was feel amongst my own personal feelings everybody

(45:03):
else's and so I was very overwhelmed. My anxiety levels
were very high. I could not even function like I
felt a lot of emotion. And so obviously I am
not big into politics. I don't pay attention as much
as I should, so I am uneducated in a lot

(45:26):
of these things. So hearing things or seeing things like
on social media, you know, just hearing things is like,
so the whole plan that has said, you know, the
whole plan that he had, and then it was talking
about like the abortions, so so women losing control of

(45:48):
their own body really, And then the other thing is
as far as the Board of Education, Like, I have
a child who is on an IEP and I.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Just started.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Getting things rolling with him. So hearing things like that
puts the ference me because I'm like, oh, are we
going backwards? Like kind of thing are women? Are women
going to start losing their right sys to things like
their body and things of the sort, Like is my
son going to lose his IEP?

Speaker 1 (46:17):
How is that going to work out?

Speaker 4 (46:19):
My child still has four years left in school, I
still have another child. And then the other one was
about public assistance. A lot of people where I come from,
in my family, you know, or you know, just like
myself personally well as of lately, I've not been using

(46:39):
government assistance, but things like that, it kind of it
worries me, and it worries a lot of people. I
like the emotions that people were having. They were crying,
women especially women, were emotional and upset and angry and scared.
Still are like, because that's a lot. That is a

(47:03):
lot to take in and you're worried.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
So the reason why I thought it was important to
kind of address that and hear that because I've seen
a lot of people, a lot of Trump supporters laughing
and mocking and like, oh, look at these people having
a meltdown. But there are people who legitimately feel this way.
There are people who are who are afraid right in.

(47:33):
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the fact
that they are afraid, they are afraid. And if you
want to reach out to folks, you need to meet
them where they're at.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
That's the one thing. So I want the listeners of
this show who are Trump supporters.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
We have a diverse, bipartisan audience, So the people who
listen to the show who are Trump supporters, don't mock
people who are seeing and hearing the things that Robin
saw and heard, because these are people that have fears
that are very legitimate to them.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Now, on the actual issues that you mentioned, I think
it's important to touch on as well, because there's been a.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Lot It's funny because a lot of folks, a lot
of Democrats, love to talk about misinformation and disinformation.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
There's a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there where
they're just as guilty of it as the people on
the right.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
And as I said in the last segment, I'm angry
because there were a lot of people in the media
and the political establishment who just flat out lied to
their voters, and they're one of the reasons why people
are there supset because they lied about what Trump was

(48:54):
saying he was going to do. They lied about the
state of the race and how difficult it was going
to be for Kamala to win. And so when reality
smacks you in the face after you've been told a lie,
it devastates people. They don't know how to process that.
That's worse than being prepared for something that you believe

(49:19):
is negative to happen.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
So on point number one, the issue with abortions. Now,
there are.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Republicans, a lot of Republicans who do want to have
abortion a nationwide abortion band. Trump is not one of them.
Trump has said repeatedly, repeatedly, over and over and over
and over and over again that he's not for a
nationwide abortion band and that he would veto one if
it came to his death. Now people can say I

(49:52):
don't believe him. People can say, oh, I think he's lying,
and that's for you to decide. I have a healthy
distrust of most politicians, so you're never gonna hear me
say I know exactly what's gonna happen. And I know
exactly what he's gonna do, because that's not how I think.
I've been around the political system and been involved in
the political system long enough to know better. I have

(50:15):
a healthy distrust of most politicians. However, I think it's
important for people to at least know what he said,
because there was a lot of folks in the Harris
campaign and the Democratic Party saying that he said he
wanted an abortion band.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
That is not true. That is not it's just false.
It's completely false.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Now you can now, like I said, you're gonna make
a judgment call on whether you believe he's telling you
the truth or not. But as far as what he
said out of his own mouth, that's what he said.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Number one. Number two, the Department of Education. Now a
lot of this, I'm assuming and it sounds like this.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Probably the information, the quote unquote information that was floating
on the internet probably came from something called Project twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
And Project twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Is something that was written by an organization called the
Heritage Foundation. What the Heritage Foundation is is a nonprofit
conservative think.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Tank based in Washington, DC.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
What people don't tell you is there are think tanks
on the left and the right everywhere. That's what they do,
and what one core function that they have is pushing
out policy proposals for an incoming administration to either take

(51:42):
or not take. Now, I most people who have been
messaging about Project twenty twenty five and saying that dude
is gonna happen. Project twenty twenty five is gonna helpen
if Trump is president. Most of the people who are
saying that didn't read it. I've read Project twenty twenty five,
the entire thing.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I read it when it came out late last year.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And anybody who knows Trump's political philosophy knows that he
doesn't agree with half of the stuff that's in there.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
He just doesn't. Trump is not a traditional conservative. That
was a conservative.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
That was a largely conservative document. Trump is a liberal Republican.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
That's basically what he is. In a few years back,
he used to be a Democrat.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
So anybody who understands that and knows what Trump's political
philosophy is knows off the bat that half of that
stuff that's in Project twenty twenty five is stuff that
he doesn't agree with. So what people did was they
took that document, which the Heritage Foundation does every four

(53:01):
years and pushed it on the Trump campaign, knowing Trump
himself didn't have anything to do with it. There were
Trump there were Trump administration officials, like former Trump administration
officials that have been.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
A part of it.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
But what a lot of people don't know is working
for a presidential administration for some people is the biggest
grift that you can possibly have.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
So if you work for the president or work for
the White House for.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Six months or nine months, you're going to be known
as a former administration official until the day you die,
and you monetize that, you make money off of it,
you get prestige off of that.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
So when I saw people saying, well.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Trump said he doesn't have anything to do with Project
twenty twenty five, but all of these alumni of his
administration was a part of it.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
That meant nothing to me.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
That meant absolutely nothing to me, because I understand how
the game goes. If you work, if you work in
the White House for five months or six months, you
will always market yourself as a former administration.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Official because it makes people want to pay you. That's
what happens.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
What people didn't know is that there was another competing
think tank called the America First Policy Institute, which was
staffed by people who were still close to Trump, who
was in competition with the Heritage Foundation, and the leader
of that of the American First Policy Institute was a

(54:32):
woman by the name of Brooke Rollins, who's very close
to Trump, so close that she was considered. She was
one of the people considered for Chief of Staff, which
is the highest position, the highest regular civilian position that
you can have on the staff of the White House.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
That's how close they were.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
She was one of the main people responsible for killing
Project twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Trump had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yes, there were administration alumni that had something to.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Do with it.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
But the competing group, who is closer to the Trump
team than the Heritage Foundation is we're in competition with
one another. They hate each other, and that group made
sure that the Heritage Foundation's plans got spiked.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So in other words, and I'm explaining this for people
who don't understand this process. So, in other words, all.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
That stuff they said using trying to demigogue with Project
twenty twenty five, it was bs And the people who
said it either didn't know what I just said, or
they knew it and they were intentionally trying to trying
to manipulate people. That's where a lot of that stuff

(55:50):
came from. So the Department of Education things specifically. Trump
has said that he wants.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
To get rid of the federal Department of Education, and.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Then he elaborated and said, yes, there would still be
a staff.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
To make sure that they maintain standards and so on
and so forth. But he wants to.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Decentralize the Department of Education and give more power and.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Money to the states. So people take that and says
he wants to kill the Department of Education.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
What people don't tell you is every state in the
Union has its own department of Education. Those are the
ones that are responsible for the schools that your child
goes to. The federal Department of Education is a place
that sets standards, They have a bunch of employees, They

(56:44):
get money from the taxpayers, and they funnel it into.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
The states.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Now, what Trump is arguing is that the states can
get more money if the Department of Education.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Wasn't so big.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
And you can agree or disagree with that assumption. That's
a policy question. So you can say I don't think
that that's good policy because of X, Y, and Z,
or if you agree with it, you can say I
do think it's a.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Good policy for whatever.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
But what that doesn't mean is that it's going to
be killing IEP programs or all these other programs that
are dealt with in schools, because your state department of
education is responsible for that, not the federal one. But again,
they don't tell people that, so it makes people thinking,

(57:37):
oh my.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
God, this is what's gonna happen now.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Finally, and then Dante, I'll give you the floor finally
on the federal assistance and particularly the food stamp thing,
because that's what has been in the news. Now, Trump himself,
I've never heard him address that one way or the other.
There are some stupid Republicans who do want to go after.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
That program and cut that program and limit that program.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Now, in order to break that down, in order to
understand that, you have to understand the political movement and
the transition from what the Republican Party used to be
to what the Republican Party is now. The Republican Party
used to be a party full of elitis, rich people
and big business and folks that only cared about their
rich buddies. When Trump came in, he started winning a

(58:29):
bunch of working class and poor people, and in twenty
twenty four he wont even more working class and poor people.
It transformed the base of the Republican Party, which means that.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
The Republican Party now, more than at any time in.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Their history, actually represents more working class and poorer people.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
So what does that mean. That means that now part
of their.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Constituency is people who are on a set, which means
they would be fools to try to cut it and
hurt their own voters.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
They tried to do this once last year, and you
know who killed.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
It other Republicans, particularly Hispanic Republicans representing Hispanic districts who
had people in their districts that were on those assistance programs.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
So I'm not going to tell you that there aren't.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Going to be Republicans who are going to try to
do it. What I am going to say is because
of all the changes in the Republican Party. Because you
still have some old Republicans who still think the old way,
but because of all of the changes that has happened
in the Republican Party in the last eight years, it
would likely get spiked by other Republicans, or if they're

(59:49):
actually stupid enough to do it, it would be a
rebellion in the party amongst their own voters, and they'd
end up losing in two years anyway and getting kicked
out of Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
But again, you don't follow the stuff. You don't know
this stuff. You won't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Because people don't give you the details. They don't give
you the specifics. They just give you the headline.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Oh my god, Trump said he want to do so,
and so that ain't what he said. This is what happened.
And again, you can like and I saw Bill Maher.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Has said this, who's a liberal, who's a Democrat, doesn't like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Trump, vote against Trump?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
And he said this about one thing that happened during
the campaign that the media was really going out of
control about. He was like, I don't like Trump, and
there's enough things about Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
For me not to like. But just don't lie to me.
Don't lie to me about what he said.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Don't tell me he said something or did something that
he didn't say.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
And didn't do. And I think that's the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
You can like him, you can hate him, you can
agree with him, you can disagree with him, you can
agree with his policies. You can disagree with his policies,
but don't lie. And the problem that I have is
that there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
People who are lying to people, who have been lying
to people this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Entire time, for this entire campaign, and now people are
in a panic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Because they believe the lies that these people said to them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Johnson, Yeah, I don't really have a lot to add.
I would just say, like, and you touched on this.
Trump's a New York City liberal, so at his core,
he's not against abortion. He just isn't. I think the

(01:01:33):
one truth that he's always stuck to, though, is he
is against a late term abortion, which I think, you know,
the majority of people are against and should be against
because that's a that's very different. But Trump is always
Trump has never been for an abortion.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
He's a New York City liberal. It's not in him
to be against it, right, It's it's more in him
to say I don't care about it. Right. It's similar
to you know, LGBT and equality issues. I remember, I
remember before Trump was political, but he was you know,
even before it was a thing, when Trump was pro

(01:02:22):
gay marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
He's he's a New York City liberal, at heart. So
it's it's kind of astonishing. Not well, now, I shouldn't
even say I'm surprised, but it is. It's kind of
it's just jarring to see things get misconstrued, because again,
that's that's how people that's how disappointment comes about, when

(01:02:48):
when you lie, lie, lie, and that's not what happened, right,
And so now people believe one thing, and then they're
disappointed to find out another thing, right, because if they
were true right, like he wants to institute a national
abortion band, right, that's a losing position. That that's that's

(01:03:13):
almost as bad as having a bad economy. But that
you know, I think there was even a tweet going
around today or something he put on to true Social
where he explained, once again is a position on abortion right,
and once again he even said that I've never been
for a national abortion band. He vetoed it and no
matter what, he was always in favor of the three

(01:03:38):
rape incests and to save the life of the mother.
So he you know, there's a lot of misinformation going around,
and I think that the people who point the finger
about misinformation should, you know, look in the mirror. But
they've got a lot of a lot of soul searching
to do, and I think this is this is just
one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Yeah, absolutely, the thing that kind of like, like I said,
that's that's what angers me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
It's like, don't lie to people. Don't lie like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Trump says, says and does plenty of stupid things on
his own that you can criticize.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Don't You ain't gotta make stuff up like don't don't
don't lie Robin last thoughts, close out, and then we'll
go to work. So I actually.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
I was thinking about this. It's not quite what he's
been planning to do, but it's more so about him
in a hole.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
So how is it that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
This man he has had charges against him, but there
are normal people, regular people out here that can even
get approved or apartments and it's hard to find jobs
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
But he.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
But he can become president again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
So I think that's that's a very I think that's
a very good question, and I want to address it
in two ways. One, it would take us forever to
go through the charges, and how even a lot of
Democrats thought that those charges would be as I don't
even want to go there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Because it's not really important to the question. The question
that you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Asked, I agree with you actually now, regardless of the
fact that I believe a lot of those charges were
trumped up, no pun intended and politically designed for people
to be able to say he's a convicted felon because
a lot of those charges like they were flimsy as

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a piece of paper.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
But I think personally, and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
If there's anybody and I know some people that worked
for it, that that did work for to Trump campaign
who may be going for the administration, who listens to
this show, there's anybody listening right now who works for
the who worked for the campaign and is going in
the administration, I think it's actually a good policy idea
for you to tackle what Robin just said.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I think you should make it easier.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
For people who have paid their debt to society to
be able to reintegrate into the world, into their community,
because the harder that you make it for them to
be able to do that, the more likely it is
they're going to re offend. So, once people have paid

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their debt to society, and I think that's very important,
you have to pay your debt to society. Once you've
paid your debt to society, you should be integrated back
into the community. So I actually think that's a good question.
I personally completely agree with you. We've seen things like
in Trump's first term when he did the First Step Act,

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which helped a lot of nonviolent felons get out of
prison earlier. That's one of the things that helped contribute
to his increased turnout among some men.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
I talked to a guy the other day who was
the next felon who knew people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
He personally knew people who had came home through the
First Step Act, and he was like, you can't tell
them folks or nothing about you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
You can't it don't know. Oh, he's a fascist, he
doesn't like this, he's against that them people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Was like, I ain't listening to you because it's because
of that bill he signed that got me out of jail,
that brought me home. So there are people who have
been non violent felons who have actually went home from
prison early because of that. But I think that there's
more work to do. I personally believe it's important to integrate,

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to reintegrate ex phonons into society after they've paid their
debt to society, because if you don't, you make it
more likely that they're going to commit crimes and go
back to prison anyway, and it's just the right and
moral thing to do. So I actually agree with you,
and I think it would be a good I think
Trump himself, because of his history now, would be in

(01:08:26):
a good position to actually do something about that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Don't say you got any thoughts and then we'll go
to break Yeah, I do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
It's interesting, right because you know, being a convicted felon,
you can't vote in certain places, but you can run
right for the highest officer in or last, so that, right,
it it's definitely something that makes you go hmm. And
it's something that this administration to use as a springboard

(01:09:02):
to tackle. I think that it would also help you
to again build your coalition to first and foremost reacclimate
people into society after they've committed crimes or after you know,

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and after they've gotten out of prison. So I think
it's a way again building your tent politically, but also
sort of doing the right thing.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
We've heard a lot of people who try to throw
around things like, well, you know, you claim to be
against abortion because of what you know, because of your beliefs,
your religious beliefs, but you know, what would Jesus say
about this, or what would Jesus say about treating the poor? Well,
one thing you always talked about is you know, when

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I was hungry, you fed me. When I was naked,
you put clothes on my back. When I was in prison,
you came to visit me. So that that's something that's important.
I think as a person of faith to believe in
second chances, especially for those who are nonviolent offenders, the

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reacclamation process should be swift and it should be restorative,
in my opinion, and I believe that the Trump administration
can use his situation to springboard doing that even more
and to springboard a real social justice and a real

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criminal justice reform. That is something that I would like
to see.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Yeah, absolutely completely agree.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
And the last thing I said to close, there was
one thing that really kind of bothered me during this campaign.
And actually my friend and friend of the show, Nina Turner,
who's a Democrat.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
If you don't no, mentioned this. She said on social
media multiple times, y'all need to stop doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
This when they would attack Trump as being a he's
a convicted fellow, and Nina Turner pointed out that's alienating to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
All these people who typically.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Vote for Democrats except for this year, who might have
had a run in with the law in the past.
And again, I thought that was just another example of
how out of touch these people have become because a
lot of the folks who were saying that didn't know
anybody who's been through the criminal justice system, or they.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Wouldn't have said that. All three of us have known
people that have been to jail in prison before all
three of us, So that ain't our lives, but we know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
People where that who have been impacted by that. So
when it's like he's a felon, he's a felon, he's
a felon. How you think people who were felons or
people who knew felons felt about hearing you attack him
that way. That's just another reason why you lost people

(01:12:18):
who normally vote for you, because it was another example
of you being out of touch.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
There's a lot of folks who know ex felons.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
All right, stay tuned, We have tea time with Roe
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Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
And now is the time to show that we like
to call it Tea Time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
It's Tea Time with Row on the Outlaws radio show.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
All right, So I just got a couple of little things.
So the first thing that I do want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Is Plies.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
So those of you who don't know who Plies is.
He's a rapper from I don't know, like what the
two thousands, two thousands, right, two thousands, say two thousands.
So Plies had a song that was called Me and
My Goons. Okay, this is back in the beginning of

(01:13:57):
his career, I want to say, but Supplies is now
filing a lawsuit against several artists current artists for copyright infringement.
So that does include Soldier Boy, Megan thee Stallion, and
Glorilla and I have never paid attention to the beats

(01:14:20):
of their songs, so Sojia Boy was pretty Boy Swag,
same beat right then Megan thee Stallion and Glorilla was
the Wannabe. Which is I think a most recent song.
And I mean, is that a thing where you can
like if it's just the same, I don't know if

(01:14:43):
it's the same, Like, can you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
No, you can't do that. That is illegal.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Okay, you have to you can do it, but you
it's called a sample, and you have to get permission,
and you have to get what they call clearance for
a sample. Clearance is working out a deal with the
original owner of the material saying. Sometimes it's like, hey,
we're gonna pay you X amount of dollars for the

(01:15:13):
rights to be able to make this new song.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
With your song.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Sometimes it's we're gonna give you a percentage of the
song whatever we make off the song.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Sometimes you have to do both. The perfect example is
and I know it's not in vogue to bring him
up right now, but it just fits with with the topic.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
When Diddy did I'll Be Missing You when he sampled sting,
he didn't clear he didn't get the clearance for the sample,
and so it's always worse when you put a song
out and not get the clearance. It's better for you
to get the clearance first. So he put this song

(01:15:58):
out sampling Stinging.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Uh what was it? Every breath you take? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
He sampled the song without the clearance. Sting was like
uh uh and ended up having a workout a deal
where Sting got all of the publishing money from that song.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
All of it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
Wow, I didn't even know that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Yes, one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
And if y'all remember, I'll Be Missing You was a
gigantic song.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
That was one of the biggest most successful rap songs
ever ever, and he had to give up one hundred
percent of the publishing dollars because he put that song
out without getting clearance.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
So that's what he thought.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
He thought he was gonna skate on ice ad that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
And thing wasn't play.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah yeah, And so you can imagine the million, many
millions and millions and millions of dollars that that song
generated that he had to give away because he just
didn't do the right thing in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Uh, say, you got anything to add on this or no?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
No, not really. Yeah, make sure you get the clearance, man,
you get the clearance was no caution.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Actually, I was gonna say with this topic. It's funny
because the day when the announcement came out about who
won the presidency, Plies was like, you know, basically like
I virtually give all of you hugs. You know, he's
like hugging everybody virtually, like oh, being all sentimental and stuff.
And then like listen, literally within a couple of hours,

(01:17:49):
he like turns up and like he's talking about, uh,
he's following the lawsuit. And I'm like, like, what what
just happened? Because you were just like all sad and
then you turn around and you're like doing all this.
I'm like, he must just be really mad about what
just happened, because where.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Did this just come from? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Because you know he was he was a big combo
of supporter and was attacking people who weren't, so he
probably was at his feelings, and after he got out
of his feelings, it was like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
You know what, I'm a sue somebody basically.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
So next story, it's gonna we're gonna tone it down.
So the next story is Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones was
a producer and entertainment powerhouse, and he died at the
age of ninety one years old, and he he is

(01:18:46):
a legend. He is a legend, and so when I
seen this, I was like, wow, like you know that,
that's heartbreaking, it's it's But also to say though that
he I would definitely, in my opinion, say that he
lived his life full. He achieved many great things, and

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he lived to be dang near one hundred years old.
So I think that that he at least made it
that far. That's that's a blessing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
So this is a little personal for me, and I'll
explain in the second. But first, of course, like you said,
Quincy Jones had a legendary, absolutely legendary career.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Not only was he the producer of the best.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Selling album in the history of this country, which was
Michael Jackson's Thriller, he was also the creator, one of
the creators of the Fresh Prince of bel Air. That's
something a lot of people don't know. His company produced
Fresh Prince of bel Air. It produced in the House

(01:19:59):
starring Yellow Who j if y'all remember that show from
back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
He was one of the creators of Vibe magazine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
If you remember Vibe, Quincy was involved in a lot
and had a huge impact in in the culture in
music culture, American culture, Black culture. He was one of
the people who pushed Michael Jackson to Megastarter. One of

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the reasons why it's personal for me is because as
a child, I my first experience falling in love with
the entertainment business in the music business was becoming a
fan of Michael Jackson. Always been a huge fan of
Michael Jackson, and I taught I started teaching myself the

(01:20:55):
business at a very very young age from reading the
liner notes. Now for people who don't know, because there's
young folks who don't, they're like, what's a liner note?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
When you used to buy a CD.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Or a cassette, you would open it and where you know,
it had to cover and everything, and then you would
open the booklet and open the cassette, the cassette book
There was always a booklet, a little CD booklet or
a cassette booklet, and in there it would be liner notes,
and the liner notes would say who wrote what, who

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produced what, where the song was recorded.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Sometimes it had the lyrics. It was all kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
And I started teaching myself the music business from reading
liner notes and learning what people did, learning what a
engineer was, what a mixer was, what a producer was,
what an executive producer was, so on and so forth

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and again. By being a Michael Jackson fan, Quincy Jones
was the guy who produced Michael's first three albums as
an adult solo artist.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
So that's off the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Wall, Thriller and Bad those are three of the highest
selling albums of all time. Thriller is the highest selling
album of all time still to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
And the album came out in nineteen eighty three. I believe,
so they broke all kinds of barriers.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
They broke the racial barrier at MTV because a lot
of people don't know that. At the time, MTV refused
to play music from black artists, and a guy by
the name of Walter Yetnikoff.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Who was the CEO of what was then known as
CBS Records.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Called MTV and said, if you don't play Billy Jean
and beat It, I'm gonna pull all of our other
CBS artists off of this station, and I'm gonna tell
the whole world you don't want to play music.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
By an f and black guy. And that broke the
racial barrier.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Quincy Jones was a genius in the way that he
produced those three albums, because there was one thing in
particular that he said he did that a lot of
people didn't even catch it, and he realized he took
jazz musicians because he was also known as a jazz conductor.
He took jazz musicians, old school jazz musicians, and had

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them playing the real music on Michael Jackson's albums. That's
why if you go and listen to those albums. Now,
if you go and listen to Off the Wall and
Thriller in particular, the way that the music sounds is
just immaculate. It sounds different than anything that we hear today,
and that was because of Quincy Jones's ingenuity. It also

(01:24:03):
not only had an impact on me as a child
and sparked my interest into the business that I'm currently in,
but also there's another.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Weird direct connection, almost so Michael Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
When Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson did those albums, they
were on like I said, they were on CBS Records.
At the time, CBS Records was owned by CBS. That's
the which y'all know, the TV, the TV channel and
all that kind of stuff. It was the actual CBS.
They owned a record company. At the time, there was

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one of the most successful record labels.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
In the world.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Well in the late nineteen eighties, just like a lot
of other things that were happening, CBS sold CBS Records.
CBS Records became well, I'll tell you, they sold it
to Sony. CBS Records became Sony Music Entertainment. Years later,

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Sony Music Entertainment purchased a company called The Orchard, and
the Orchard is the company that distributes the music.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Of FCB Records, my company, which is something.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I'm extremely proud of because of that history, because I
know that as a child that the music that was
released on the ancestor of that company is what made
me want to do this stuff in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
And now I get to work with that company.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
So Quincy had a gigantic impact and influence on me.
He was one of the figures that I looked up to,
just a genius, genius, genius, brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Man for people who are probably around our age. Another
thing that you may not know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Some of you may notice from seeing the movies, from
seeing the document series or whatever, but Tupac was dating
Quincy Jones's daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
One of his daughters at the time that he passed.
And not only that, but if you are a.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Tupac fan and you've ever heard the song how Do
You Want It? The music of how Do You Want
It was originally produced by Quincy Jones. That was a
sample of a song called Body Heat done by Quincy Jones.
So there are Quincy Jones influences everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Around you, particularly if you're a hip hop fan that
you don't even know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
That's how much of an impact we all, like most
people associate him with Michael Jackson, but there was so
many things that he did in the culture that people
don't even know. He was the executive producer of The
Wiz if you've ever seen The Wiz. He was the
creator of the theme music for Sanford and Son if
you've been Sanford and Son.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Is just so many different things, so.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Many different things that this man was a part of,
and it's something that I admire, it's something that I
aspire to, and I just absolutely just all the respect,
all the respect in the world for Quincy Jones. So
definitely rest in peace. You know, last said Quincy had
a Quincy's work had an impact on my own life

(01:27:23):
and my own career and my own journey, even to
the point of my company, my record labels music being
put out by the same company that put that music out.
Just I can't say enough good things about Quincy Jones. Uh,
donte your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Yeah, legendary life, legendary career. Rest in peace to one
of the pioneers of modern music and modern entertainment. Yeah,
that's a blow, right, that's a blow that will be felt.
But boy, he had a great run. But I always say,

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you know, anything dying any time before seventy's that's a tragedy.
That's way too young. In your eighties, you might have
lived a full life. To live a life like he
lived and get to his nineties, that's a good run.
That's a good run. So rest in peace. Out, keep

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his family in mind, and you know, his extended family,
because he touched everybody basically, right, Like you named all
of his projects, all of his work, So I mean,
he really touched everybody. So rest in peace, and we
appreciate it because he blessed all our lives. From an
entertainment perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Well, and that's the other thing too, Like for anybody
who's listening, who does anything in his business or.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Just aspires to do anything in his business. Whether you're
in media or entertainment or music, broadcast.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Something involving this field, you never know what impact your
work is going to have on people. Quincy Jones's all
the Way to California and had no idea that the
stuff that he was producing was inspiring a young ghetto
kid out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Of inner city Cleveland, Ohio.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
So when you are a creator, when you are a producer,
a writer, a singer, a whatever it is, a designer
or anything, you have no idea the kind of impact
that your work may have. So take your work seriously
because you could be inspiring people that you would never meet,

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people that you never even know.

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