February 18, 2025 • 56 mins
Sarah Smith, an actress and director, is on the show to talk about her push to reform Ohio's healthcare laws. Sarah tragically lost her sister to suicide, and her last message was titled "Letter to My Abuser", describing the abuse she endured at the hands of the healthcare system.
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know that. All Right, we are going to get to
our interview right now. All right, we have a very
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special guest on the show today. She's an actor, actress, director, screenwriters,
screen producer, a whole bunch of stuff, every everything in
the business in the film business and film industry. But
she's also here to talk about something a little different.
She's being an advocate on a very important topic that
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we're going to get to here in just a second.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
But first, Sarah Smith, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm wonderful, Thank you for having me. Absolutely, it was
a great introduction. By the way, the top, what the
top I've experienced so far?
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Awesome, awesome, I'm glad you liked it. So we actually met.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Through, you know, the the entertainment industry here in the city.
We're both based in the Greater Cleveland area, if you will,
and that was kind of how we how we met
and how we knew each other. But then during the
course of that, you know, something tragic happened and kind
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of took you in a direction of of focusing on
trying to advocate for a particular issue that involved your sister.
So let's just start from the beginning, what tell everybody
you know for people who may not know, like what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So what happened was on October seventh of twenty twenty three,
my sister, Tristan Kate Smith, who was an emergency department
nurse in Dayton, Ohio, took her own life and behind
she left a piece of writing titled a letter to
my abuser, the abuser being the American healthcare system that
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she worked for. The letter, since we has been released,
has gone viral. I've had people reach out from Canada, UK, Australia, Netherlands, India,
all over and it's kind of led us to where
we are today, which is advocating and pushing for Ohio
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House Build to eighty five, which would mandate staff to
patient ratios and hospitals. Currently in the United States, the
only states that mandate this are California, Connecticut, and Oregon.
And so right now, if you think about it this way,
you go to the emergency room, your nurse could have
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an unlimited number of patients. You know that, And that's
just kind of crazy. And so that's what we are
working towards in memory of my sister, because this is
something that you know she talked about a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
So yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I know you mentioned that there was a letter that
she wrote. Yeah, did you Did you want to share
a little bit of that?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, sure, I can read it.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Ever since I was young, I expressed interest in healthcare
and becoming a nurse, so I began my study. I
gave my heart, my body, and my mind to you
by long days and hours, dedicated and giving you my all.
There were times that working in the emergency room were
extremely difficult, but also extremely rewarding. I have cried with
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my patients, with their families and for them. I have
even been there. They've even been there for me and
emotionally supported me in my hard times. The hands of
all the patients and families I have held hold mine
with me every day in my nursing career, encouraging me
and showing me why I do what I do. I
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thought that would all be all I needed to care
for them. And I know I have told you i'd
be with you to the end. Told you. Oh my gosh,
I just started the end.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
No I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Sorry, No I didn't. Okay, you're the editor. I'm that sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We're going to take.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I thought, oh my god, I would. I was like, seriously, Sarah,
let me make sure I'm on the Okay, hold on,
there's not miss it up in her?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
What is yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Okay. Ever since I was young, I expressed interest in
health care and becoming a nurse, so I began my study.
I gave my heart, my body, and my mind to you.
My long days and hours dedicated in giving you my all.
There were times that working in the emergency room were
extremely difficult, but also extremely rewarding. I have cried with
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my patients, with their families and for them. They have
even been there for me and emotionally supported me during
my hard times. The hands of all the patients and
families that I have held hold hold mine with me
every day of my nursing career, encouraging me and showing
me why I do what I do. I thought that
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would be all I needed to be able to care
for them. And I know I have told you I
would be with you to the end, told you I
would be there through the good and the bad. But
you have taken my heart and slowly crushed the goodness
it had. You love bomb me with affection. Because I
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knew I was going into something that matters. You made
me feel comfortable, despite the rumors of your abusive past
that I didn't want to believe the compliments, pizzas and
thank you letters. Because you had to slowly have less meaning.
The staff I had to help began to go away.
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They were unnecessary in your eyes, but so necessary for
the patients and nurses to provide what you advertise as
quality care. When I thought it couldn't get any worse,
you proved me very wrong when you started gaslighting and
manipulating us. You go around ask my colleagues and I
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what we need to help patients and improve satisfaction scores,
but when we tell you the truth, you instead send
us online courses saying we need to smile more and
be friendlier. I remember the first time I heard about
nurses getting hit and how you asked what they did
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to get hurt or didn't do to prevent someone else
from hurting them. Remember, you can't try to protect yourself
by fighting back, just later with your hands over your
head during the minutes it takes for security to come.
You started blaming us for things out of our control,
started criminally charging my colleagues for things that were your own.
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Doing as you know. The law doesn't care for the
Swiss cheese model. I no longer feel like you care
about me or the people you say you serve. I
sit at my front desk just waiting for someone to
come in and shoot my patients and I just because
of your lack of care for our protection. You haven't
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even given us metal detectors or proper security to promptly
keep us safe. You are only using and exploiting us
to line your pocket with the common citizens' money for
overcharged health care. You don't care about anyone because you
have a narcissistic personality. If you say you cared, why
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don't you listen when we beg on our hands and knees.
You say that we do so much and that we
put up with so much. When we think we are
finally going to get the love and support we deserve,
we only walk in ticket free pizza and pens for
the healthcare heroes. The truth is you only care about
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your own personal greed. I so desperately want to continue
to help people, but I cannot stay in this abusive relationship.
You have asked me to do more with less every day,
beating me to the point that my body and my
mind feel like they are black, bruised and bleeding out.
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I'm only sorry to my colleagues and patience. You deserve
so much better. But my abusive partner is relentless, and
if I stay, I will only lose my sanity and
possibly my life forever.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Wow wow Yeah, So first of all, I want some
month rendulences for your loss.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
That's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Did did she ever talk to you about what she
was going through before this? Like, did she ever share
that it was, you know, very all the things that
she was dealing with and all the pressures.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
And all of that and how they weren't really helping her.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Is this something that she had talked about before?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah? Absolutely. I Mean I would get a lot of calls.
She was a she worked at night, but she would
always call me and around that two am kind of
moment or whatever, and you would just kind of talk.
You know, what I've learned from all this is that
she talked to each family member about different aspects, right, So,
you know, for me, it was about the people, because
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she knows that I I've worked in customer service. I've
worked as a server for you know a lot of years,
and so we would kind of just talk about the
ridiculousness of people. So I knew about the stories about coworkers,
you know, getting hit and stuff like that and things
like that. My dad, you know, knew about her the end,
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getting physically sick before going into the shift and having
a lot of anxieties surrounding it. Yeah, I knew that
she was looking into like insurance and stuff because she
was so scared about being sued just for doing her job.
You know, there was a lot of a lot of
fear in the end, a lot of paranoia, and that's
kind of the culture that they've created.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I know, nurses deal with a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
As a matter of fact, my cousin is a nurse, and
a couple of weeks ago she was carjacked on the
way to go see one of her patients. So gosh,
you know, so that's awful.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I'm sorry, I appreciate it, but yeah, so, I you know,
I get it. It's a it's quite a bit that
they deal with. So you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That when you first started, when the letter came out
and everything, this this went viral. Talk a little bit
about some of the response is that you've gotten from
other people in the healthcare profession or people who didn't
know that this was going on, you know, talk a
little bit about some of the responses that you've gotten
since everything went viral.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So as far as healthcare professionals, you know, it's been
a lot of just stories and a lot of relating,
you know, a lot. I would say the most popular comment,
the most common comment was I am Tristan. I understand,
you know, and that alone breaks my heart. But then
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you know, to have I've spoken to probably hundreds of
people just and listen to their stories about how the
system tries to manipulate them and make them believe that
they're at fault, and then and still this level of
fear in them to where they can't leave their job
because they're barely getting paid enough, but then they're terrified
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to do their job at the same time. And so
it's been very, very emotionally overwhelming to an extent, but
also like eye opening in the most necessary way. As
far as people not in the industry, you know, it's
kind of it's a little bit different because I think
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it's one of those unless you know someone or you
know it, you don't really understand it, you know, And
to that I just say, Nursing is an inherently difficult job.
There are a lot of stressors. There are a lot
of things that we'll never understand that come along with
the job, and that you understand when you decide to
go in that career path. But the system shouldn't make
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it worse, you know. And probably one of the most
common responses outside of the system that I get is, well,
she should have just left her job. It's not worth
you know, her life. Sure, we try to encourage her
to maybe take a step back and stuff like that.
But here's the thing. The Ohio Nurses Uciation released a study,
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and you know, we've already lost so many nurses as
a crisis, right, well, seventy percent about how nurses are
considering leaving bedside because the current conditions that they work
in seventy percent. So we've lost say what like probably
let's just say, out of ten nurses, we lose five.
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So out of that five, another seventy percent are considering leaving.
What does it take you down to one point three
one point four nurses being the job of ten people, right, So, yeah,
they could leave their job. But guess what you're going
to go into the er and you're not gonna be
able to be seen. You know that leaving the job
isn't the solution. Let's create an environment where these people
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can still take care of us when we need the most, right.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Right, And there's I mean, and there's there's already a
nurse's shortage as it is, Like so that would just
the system would collapse at that point if seventy percent.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Decided to leave when we're all when we already don't
have enough nurses right now, that's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's terrifying. It's terrifying. You know. If that doesn't scare you,
then I don't know what will. But like you know,
and that's just right now, imagine what happens five years
down the road when that one nurse is doing all
that work. Do you think they're going to stick around.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Exactly exactly and you're not even considering you're not even
thinking about, you know, nurses that you are getting ready
to retire to and all that kind of stuff. Like
it's it's just that would be a it would be
a cycle of doom.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
It would It would.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Destroy the whole system. So something, something has.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
To be done. So speaking of something that has to
be done.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You mentioned earlier about a bill that you're trying to
get past, and with the Ohio legislator say the name
of the bill again and then talk about what it
would do.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It was a fantastic segue. The bill is here, welcome.
It is Ohio House Bill to eighty five, and so
it is a bipartisan bill that has been introduced and
already had its first hearing, the first in three years
for a bill of this type. And it essentially would
established establish nurse to patient ratios at hospitals. So currently
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in the United States, the only states to have something
of the sort are California, Oregon, and Connecticut, and so
multiple states have similar legislation, you know, introduced, it just
always kind of dies out. So our goal is to
not let that happen this time.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
So Okay, yeah ahead, No, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I forget what I was going to say, go right ahead.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So what's been the response so far down to Columbus.
Are the lawmakers receptive to it?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
So, you know, they they have been receptive of it
to a point I think that they all you know,
there's been a lot of they want to hear it out.
You know, when we talked to the Speaker of the
House wants to hear it out, Minority leader. Everyone kind
of wants to hear it out and hash it out.
So legislatures, I think they're okay with it. Who's not
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okay with it is the Ohio Hospital Association and the
Ohio Chamber of Commerce from what I hear, so you know,
you know there's opposition, and the at least from a
quote that I read, the reasoning is that it would
already put pressure on an already crippled system. And to that,
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I say, well, there was a study done from the
Houn nurs Association that surveyed over a thousand nurses and
ninety one percent of them so they would support legislation
like this. I don't know if you understand how difficult
it is to get ninety one percent of a thousand
people to agree on something, but like in this country, right,
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So to you know, I'm not a nurse.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I just know from what I've studied, like what I've researched,
and what you know people have told me and stuff.
But like to me, that's kind of like, oh, a
lot of people agree, so why why not? And the
reason why not is because you're gonna have to have
more staff, right, So there's already nursing shortage, So how
do you get more people in Well, forty of that
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same study, they said about forty percent I think of
nurses would consider returning to bedside if there were mandates
in place for ratios. So it's not perfect, but it's
something right.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Right well, and not only that, like it would I
think in a situation like that, you could possibly encourage
more people to maybe consider entering into the field.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I mean we have in Ohio, like there is a
lot of major large healthcare organizations and hospitals and things
like that, and they need more nurses anyway. Well, if
you make the environment better, maybe you'll get the nurses
that you need, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Right that, And so it's great that you mentioned that
because another part, the second part of this bill is
that it is a loan to grant program for nursing
students who work out their five years. I don't know
what the specific circumstances are, if it's like public hospital
or whatnot, but so it's a loan of grand program.
So after five years, your loans are turned into grants
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and forget it, you know. So it's not only trying
to help ease the pressure currently, it's looking towards the future.
And then speaking to these representatives, you know, they are
willing to say things like, hey, you know what, if
you can prove that you have made a viable effort
to hire people and there just aren't enough, we're not
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going to punish you for that under this legislation. Right,
So they're trying to make exceptions. They're trying to account
for the current environment, you know, but for whatever reason.
So that's part one of why they say that they
disapprove of the spill. And the second part of that
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was that it would and this gets me, limit innovation.
And well, how would be using the fewest amount of
people to do the most amount of work on the
most floors. That's how it would limit their innovation because
they cut into their profits because suddenly they have to
pay more people. That's what it boils down to there.
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I said it, wow, And you know, it's like, we
see what you're doing. No one's called you out until now,
but guess what I'm calling you out. I know exactly
what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Bruh, right right, I mean that's the same, that's the
same logic that is, especially in this state.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
That's the same logic that has devastated a lot of
our other industries.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
We're having a national conversation right now about the stuff
that we've given away and and the jobs that we've
given away because of.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Quote unquote innovation.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
We already know that our people are suffering because of
the things that we've given away. And like, I don't
think the healthcare system is the thing you want to
play with that needs to work.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know, the United States, we are number one in
health care costs, number one, we're number like, oh gosh,
I don't even know, like fifty eighth or something like that,
I think, And like, overall health care quality, what does
that tell you? What am I paying for?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
What does my six hundred and twenty four dollars a
month go towards?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, that's insane, you tell me, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But wow, yeah, you know, healthcare it's an overall reform.
It's you know, we could go on and on and
on about you know, from a consumer perspective, from an
employee perspective. You know, it's just so messed up, man,
you know, And this is just one little step to
help make it just a tiny bit more tolerable until
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we can just add more resources and to finally make
it something that people want to do again.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
All right, and that'll help with the pace, that'll help
with the patients too. Like nobody wants to be in
this situation right now. Like nobody's happy. The patients aren't happy,
the employees aren't nobody's happy.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Nobody's happy. Did you know that?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Thirty Oh good? The most recent study was thirty two
percent of nurses think about harming themselves. Wowly they don't
act on it, but like think about it. Wow, female
nurses are twice as likely to commit suicide the general population. Yes, yeah,
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it's it's crazy and we've we've had these numbers. These
aren't new numbers, and they're only going to continue to
go up, right, you know, so you know something needs
to be done. And like, if you don't like what's
being proposed, that's okay, but give us another option. Don't
just not like the idea. If you don't like the
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idea and you're not gonna say, but let's try this,
you're not willing to compromise. You just want to have
your cake and eat it too.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so I know We just talked about
what the response has been. Are there any.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Elected officials that are sponsoring or co sponsoring the bill?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah? So it is a bipartisan bill. Names. You're gonna
ask me names? Aren't you edit?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
You're gonna you're gonna edit this.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Part out to No, You're good. I just okay, hold on,
let's pull up there. Okay, that's right. It's a hard
name to pronounce. Okay, So, yes, there actually are. So
this is a bipartisan bill. It is sponsored by Representatives Gonna,
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Bari and Rogers Junior. So Republican and Democrat working together
on this bill, you know, which, I y itself.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Is a miracle that should say a lot about the bill,
just alone that it's a bill that should say something.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
About Honestly, Yes, but also, this isn't you know, this
isn't an issue of size, This isn't a Republican issue,
this isn't a Democrat issue. This is just a human issue. Like, honestly,
who doesn't like nurses, Like if you've done to the
hospital and nurses taking care of you, you know, it's
just like it's kind of mind blowing to me that
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we expect these people to take care of us, but
we're not willing to take care of them. It's weird,
you know, I don't I don't understand it. Here comes
a millennial in me. I'm gonna start saying, I don't
understand this.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I don't understand that, right, right, So what's so, what's next?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
What are is there a hearing on the.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Billing time soon or so for this particular bill. It
already had its first hearing, so we're waiting a here
back as far as when the next hearing will be.
So we're kind of just in a stalemate for that
right now. But I know that it's there are people
trying to shut it down so that it doesn't make
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it any further, right, which is you know, unfortunate. However,
there is a workplace violence bill that currently had its
second meeting, and so you know, it's just another element
to my sister's letter and the experiences. So this would
help limit the workplace violence. If you think about it,
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what happens if you hit a cop, right.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
You're going to jail?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Exactly what happens if you hit a nurse? M nothing?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah? Who signs up to get literally physically assaulted and
then to not be allowed to say hey, this happened,
and then your employer be like, well, what did you
do wrong?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, that's fow it is.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's absolutely insane, So that is also another element of it.
Would love to see the bill passed, you know, kind
of along the same lines. But for me, it's about
the staffing ratios, right, you know, because it just seems
to make sense, you know, and I would love to
see workplace violence. I would love to see the bill pass.
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I would also love to see some mental health bills
be passed, because what I've gathered from everyone that I've
spoken with is that they're just scared to seek help.
And I don't like that, you know, because some hospitals
will offer mental health services, like my sister's hospital did,
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But when my dad asked her if she would go
talk to that person, she said, oh, hell no, that's
a that'll I'll lose my license. Because they're not there
for you. They're there to determine if you can quote
unquote do your job, and it's more of like a
threatening thing. It's not to make sure you're okay. It's
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to you know, protect the hospital. And if they say
you're not going to do your job, you're not gonna
get paid, and then when you're not getting paid, what
happens you lose You could lose a lot of stuff.
You could lose your house, your care are, maybe you've
got kids that need to be fed, you know. So
it's like a lot of the people that we've asked,
and you know, we're currently in the process. My sister
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and I are of doing a study on these exact questions.
If I can't release the results, but you know I
can hint it things and that is that people don't
feel safe with the mental health services being offered. But
if there were statutes and limitations in place to where
they didn't have to report it to their employer unless
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they were, you know, a risk to themselves or their patients,
a significant amount would be willing to seek help that
they need. Well, you know, and it's the same with
UH police officers, paramedics. We expect these firefighters, we expect
these people to be in like these high adrenaline, risky careers,
(30:34):
but then you're expected to go to the next colle
like it was nothing. There's no decompression.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I had a regular that was a cop, and you know,
he would say, you know, oh, it's dead body day,
and then I have to go deal with a property
dispute right after that. But yet you're still messed up
by all the morbid iss you just saw. You know,
there's no we don't allow for this decompression. And yes,
again they are these stressful jobs, but like they're still humans,
they're human beings.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. There's still human beings.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, so we've kind of gotten away from the human
aspect and just expected to be like, well, you just
have to suck it up. You just have to suck
it up. You just have to suck it up. The
days of sucking it up are over because look what's happening.
Look what happened to your sister. She had that mentality,
you know, you would tell her to get help. Oh no,
it's okay, I'll be all right. It's the sucking it
up because you don't want to show any sign of
(31:25):
weakness until it just pushes you over the edge. And
I don't want that for anybody.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, you know, Yeah, that's man, that's unfortunate. I'm really
hopeful from everything that And we've talked about this before
off the air, So yeah, I was a little familiar
with it, so I'm very hopeful from everything that I've
heard about the bill, I hope bill passes.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I think it's something that we need.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And I know that there are some elected officials that
listen to the show, so I hope they heard this
episode and understand the importance of this particular bill. So
for people who are listening who may want to help,
may want their voices to be heard or want to
help in this effort, what can they do?
Speaker 5 (32:14):
What can they do to help?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, you can definitely write your representatives. You know, there
is power and numbers, and the more you send it
in on the same topic, the more likely they are
to hear about it. And that is coming directly from
people that I've spoken to, you know, So keep writing
your representatives and honestly talk about it. I don't care
(32:38):
if it's on social media or in person conversations. But
you know, the way things get done in this country
is when the people make it so loud that an
issue cannot be ignored. That's the only way things get done.
So like for me, I will walk around you know,
I'm in Canton, Ohio downtown. Can't with my asking about
(33:01):
how spilled two eighty five T shirt on and I
would gladly talk to anyone that asked me about it,
you know. But you know, we just have to continue
to share and continue to share my sister's story. You know,
no family should have to go through this. No father
should have to find their daughter the way that my
dad did. You know, that is not okay.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I am not okay with that.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
And so if we can continue to talk about this
and help prevent it for one more family, this is
so worth it, you know, and that is the theme
of my family. But talk about it. Everybody. Ask questions.
If you have friends in the healthcare industry, ask questions,
be like, hey, I heard this podcast and I heard
(33:45):
some things. Are you willing to speak to me about it?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
You know?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And lastly, check in on your healthcare friends too, you know,
be like, I'm here if you need me, How can
I help you? You know, if you feel like someone
is struggling, I know it's scary and it's easy to
shut down, but you know, try to just offer that hand.
How can I help you? Because usually it's just having
(34:14):
someone to listen to really just get it off your chest. Yeah,
I know, someone Yeah, And you know, if you or
someone you know is struggling. You can call or text
the National Suicide Hopline at nine eight eight, So simple,
nine eight eight.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So as we wind down here, I will be remiss
if I didn't ask you how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And how is your father doing?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I mean, obviously you know this has been a traumatic
experience for your whole family.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
So are how are y'all doing through all of this?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
For me personally, it you know, varies by day. Unfortunately,
this is not the first experience I've had with a
close family death won't be the last. But you know,
you learn to just survive day by day. Some days
are better than others. That is part of the grieving process,
you know. I account a lot of therapy and just
(35:19):
an amazing support group just really checking in on me
and making sure everything's good. You know, my employers have
been fantastic. You know, I'm very fortunate to have that
support system, you know. And for my dad, I think
it's kind of the same thing. He has an amazing
support system. He you know, has done the therapy, and
(35:44):
I think for him, he just he really has a purpose.
I've never my dad has always been a very hard worker,
but I've never seen him quite so passionate about anything
as what I've seen him exert these past several months,
you know, So for him, it is all about this
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change and being a change for the good. And we're
not just going to stop with Ohio. Ohio is a
stepping stone. Ohio has an opportunity to be one of
the first. But you know, there are forty six other
states that still don't have these laws in place. There
are still federal mandates that can be done. So, you know,
I think that when it comes to death like this,
(36:29):
you can either keep it quiet and just do your
own thing, or you can talk about it and try
to help other people. And we chose the second without hesitation.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Absolutely what else.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I'm glad to see that your family is turning, you know,
pain into purpose. That's always the best, the best route
to go is to take that pain and turn it
into purpose. So if people want to get any more information,
you know, is there social media or anything they can
go to.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So you can definitely check me out on Instagram, Sarah
with an h underscore Beth Smith. Oh there are several
links to the different house bills, My sister stories posted
on there, her letters posted on the page, all that
kind of stuff. You might get bombarded with some film
stuff too. Sorry, not sorry, but you know, I think
that's the best way you can. You know, just google
(37:29):
Ohio House Bill two eighty five. You know, if you
want some of the statistics that I talked about, it
is Ohio Nurses Association code read. That was the study
that they did, so that'll be listed on that page
as well.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
All Right, my friend, thank you so much for come
on and shows. Unfortunately that it was on this topic.
Maybe the next time you can come back and talk
about all the other stuff that you have going on,
because you have an incredible story, you're doing incredible will work,
and you really being a boss out here in this business.
So we're definitely gonna talk about that next time you
(38:07):
come back on. But thank you for sharing, for sharing
this with us, I definitely appreciate well, thank.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You for having me and thank you for allowing me
to talk about this absolutely.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
All right, stay tuned. We have more to come when
the Outlaws will be right back. Welcome true Sir pray
yuh walcome back, welcome back and listening to the Outlaws
one more time. I want to send a special shout
out to Sarah Smith coming on the show. We really
(38:40):
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
And now it was the time of the show that
we like to call Tea Time with Roe.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Turn it up with the complication, the latest celebrity news,
and gossipation. It's Tea Time with Roe on the Outlaws
Radio show.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
You guys, Oh my gosh, there has been so much
going on in the world lately. I don't know which
end is up. I don't know about you guys, but
it has been so chaotic you don't know which story
to listen to or pay attention to. And it's just
like uugh. But I do have a couple of stories
that is a little off topic to what has been
(39:21):
going on lately. So first and foremost I am going
to talk about I have to start off with my
girl Rihanna. I have to. I don't know, it's just
I'm drawn to this one first. So Rihanna. Everybody has
been wanting Rihanna to make some music. And guess what,
you guys, I mean, she's making music. It is for
(39:43):
a movie, but she's making music. I'm excited. Hopefully it'll
be kind of similar to the last one she did.
That that song hit, that would definitely hit. But this
one is for the new Smurfs movie that is going
to be coming out this summer. And as if anybody
you know of our regular listeners, you all know that
(40:04):
I have a daughter, and so I'm so excited to
take her. I don't know if I'm excited for her
or if I'm excited for me, but I'm excited. Okay.
So I just had to bring that up because all
Rihanna been on is her lingerie and her makeup and
my girl, she's stepping out of the box. So shout
(40:24):
out to her for that.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, absolutely, I am a Rihanna fan. Maybe people may
not know that, but I am a Rihanna fan. So
I am looking forward to this. I want to see
some new.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Music, y is. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm
so excited. I love her. That's my girl. All her albums,
like her older albums, I'm telling you right now, I
have them all the time blaring in my car, like
as if they just came out. Her stuff goes platinum
in my car all the time. My money.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Ah, it's just.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
So anyway, next, so we are going to move to
somebody that we don't hear about often. It is a
top legend actor. In my personal opinion. If you don't
know who he is, you've been under a rock your
entire life. Jackie Chan, you better know who he is.
(41:25):
I'm just saying, just saying, I'm judging. I'm we listen
and we don't judge, but I'm judging. So Jackie Chan,
he wants to donate his four hundred million fortune to charity.
He said, now listen, listen to this. Okay. When I
(41:45):
was a child, I was very poor and wanted everything.
Now I want to give away everything. When I give
somebody something and see their face, it just makes me
so happy.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Instead of giving it to his.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Son, this is what he wants to do. And oh
my god, that just almost put me in tears. That
is beautiful. That is so beautiful. That is I mean,
I would still leave some some my child, but I
absolutely I love that. I wow.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
So that's exactly where how I feel about it, how
I wanted to talk about it because of that, because
here's the thing. To me, you absolutely should donate money
to charity. I love that part. I don't love the
part of not giving anything to your kids. To me,
(42:43):
especially since Jackie talked about growing up poor, as you
and I both grew up poor. I don't want my
kids to have to deal with what I dealt with,
you know what I'm saying, Like we are straw, So
like when I have kids, I want my kids. I don't.
(43:04):
My kids are gonna have their own struggles, right, and
they're gonna have to work. I don't want to. I
don't want everything to just be handed to them. But
there is a there's a point in bringing and making
sure they have an inheritance. I want my kids to
have an inheritance. You know what I'm saying. I think
it's a good thing that they have an inheritance. So
(43:28):
I don't I don't. I don't like that. I don't
like that part. Like I love the whole giving donating
money to charity, donating a lot of money to charity.
But you know, even the Bible talks about Proverbs thirteen
twenty two says a good man leaves an inherance to
his children's children. So not just your kids, but your grandkids.
(43:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't see anything
wrong with that, and so that kind of and I
know that there's a lot of rich people who say
that and and do that way, they like, I'm not
leaving my kids anything. I don't like that. I think
that's part of like what we're striving for is to
be able to have a legacy and change the trajectory
(44:14):
of your family. So, I mean that's my thoughts. I mean, what,
what what's your thoughts on.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
I feel that, yes, leave money for your family, for
your children and their children, but however, maybe kind of
do it in the sense of educating your children and
having teaching them along the way before you know, it
comes to the point where you decide to give the
(44:43):
money up, maybe teach them a little the way to
how to earn their money, to know how to earn
and to hustle. Absolutely that way, they don't grow up,
you know, expecting or having that that that mindset where
you know they're they're they're constantly thinking, oh, I'm good,
(45:04):
I'm good.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
Good.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You don't want them to be in that way because life,
you know, life, life, life episode. I think that's my
personal opinion, you know, but yes, leave some for your children,
maybe split it in half or something. Split you know,
(45:29):
leave some for your children, but also donate I wouldn't
say or maybe like start like open up a home
or something for homeless people or something like. That's what
I would love to do if I became rich, I
would want to open up some type of a home
that housed.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
You meant you meant when I just wanted to correct
you real quick, go ahead, continue.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Appreciate that, my bad appreciate. Yeah, so I would.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I would.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
I would want to open up have a house built,
a building, a big nice place built, or even like
a neighborhood and house the homeless and help them by
getting IDs and help them by getting you know, on
their feet and getting started at least getting them in
(46:24):
the proper place. Like you could do things like that,
you know what I mean, like something like that where
you can start a program where that you could do that.
And I'm not saying like section eight like where people
get too comfortable, right, like there's got to be a
way to go about it. But yeah, just I could
go on about that forever. But that's what's my opinion
(46:45):
on that.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, And I'm not saying that this shouldn't be like
you can't have like benchmarks that your kids have to
hit in order to get certain dollar amounts and stuff
like that, which people set that up all the time.
Were certain things that you have to do, you know
what I mean, And so I agree with that, but
I just don't like the idea of leaving nothing to
your kids like you're supposed to. You're supposed to leave
(47:07):
money to your kids.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Yeah, no, my kids will not. They if when when
I get to that place in life, my kids will
be sent because the thing is is me personally growing
up and just like how Jackie Chance say, he grew
up poor, he grew up in the struggle. You know,
(47:29):
my children, you know, we're not poor, but you know
what we also are not. We're not comfortable, right, I mean,
and you came from the struggle.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
You you grew up poor, so you know what it's like.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Yeah, you know what I mean. And my son, you know,
he's seen a.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Lot of it.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
He ain't before him, but you know, like he's seen
it all. And so you know, I mean, my kids
they know hustle, but I would still make sure that
they are set in a straight irregardless, like if something
happens to you or something, you want your kids to
be good, right, So please my kids. I don't know,
(48:11):
but shout out to him. We love Jackie Chan.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Shout out to Jackie Chan. All right, close it out.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Oh yes, Actually we have one more. And this one
is a topic that we often talk about here on
our laws. I don't know if we talk about it
on air. Are more off air than on air, but
we talk about it. So I may I may potentially
(48:37):
get called to pick me.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
It depends on who's listening. But I will voice my opinion.
So there is a story it is, uh, it is
going around. Well, video that is going around viral of
bow Wow, who was also in the nineties into me
a nineties.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
I don't even know about two.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
It was like late nineties, early two thousand, okay.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
So he had a quick run so little bow Wow. Okay,
if you if you from that era, you know, you know,
if you know, you know. So bow Wow and his
girlfriend they got into an altercation. I'm not sure how
it started, what went down, et cetera, et cetera. There
(49:25):
is a clip though, that is going around, uh, showing
from the police from their camera their body footage of
bow Wow talking about and explaining what had happened, and
he the way that he was expressing himself almost appeared
as acting, and because he wasn't yelling, he was actually
(49:47):
talking but in kind of almost in a whisper tone,
and people were judging him on that, saying, oh.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Bow Wow is such a good actor, he's such an actor,
blah blah blah blah blah, and people talking about the men,
especially saying like, you know, call on him a punk,
and you know, saying that you ain't supposed to do
that and saying this that, and the fourth in the
comments like in all kinds of different popes.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
So bow Wow in his picture that was taken by
the police, he has I mean big gashes on his face.
He has a couple of gashes. He has two underneath
both of his eyes. It definitely appears that it probably
turned into a black eye, both of them. And the
(50:33):
girlfriend has not one single mark on her, not one
single physical appearance of a mark on her at all.
And by people saying these comments, I have something that
I want to say about that we need to stop
trying to hush men. We need to stop trying to
(50:54):
take their voice away, because there are there are women
that are abusive too, yep. And sometimes a lot of times,
whether people want to admit it or not, or accept
it or not. Women can be abusive just all on
their own because they crazy bees. They just abusive and
(51:20):
and they just do that. They they need they they
are off their meds. Okay, Like there are women that
are like that that will verbally abuse a man, physically
abuse a man, emotionally abuse a man whatever. Like it
goes for women too, And we need to stop trying
to make men be quiet and tell them that they
(51:43):
cannot have emotions or they cannot speak on it, and say,
this woman abused me, this woman put her hands on me.
That's got to stop now. If if had it been
a situation where it could have been similar to when
it went down with Chris Brown, where him and Rihanna
I had gotten into an altercation, and now he's Chris
(52:04):
Brown is still being you know, accounted for with it. Yeah,
the people are still trying to like cancel him. But
instead of bow wow putting his hands on this girl,
he told the police what happened. And he's sitting here
trying to explain what happened, and he did not put
his hands on her. In my personal opinion, if he
(52:28):
did not put his hands on her, i don't know
the whole story. I'm just saying my opinion based off
of what I'm seeing. If he did not put his
hands on her, he is doing the right thing. He
is doing the right thing by speaking up and telling
them what happened, and he did not put his hands
on her, and I respect him for that.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I've known people in situations
like that where you know they've gotten hit by that
when we've had conversations before. I got a couple of
homeboys that have went through that. I've gotten hit before
and not hit back, you know what I'm saying. Like so,
but it's one of those things where it's like you're
(53:12):
punk or whatever if you talk about it, and you know,
people don't. They don't look at it the same way,
you know what I mean. They don't look at it
when men go through it the same way as when
a woman goes through it. It's you know, men is
a man has looked at as being weak if they
(53:35):
even acknowledge that they're going through things like that. But
you know, a woman has looked at as brave when
they talk about the issues that they deal with. And
I just think that no matter whether it's a man
or a woman, keep your MF and hands to yourself.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
I agree, I absolutely agree. And to the fellas, you
are not weak. If anything that makes you strong, that
makes you strong, and you know you have to protect yourself,
and you know I get these abusers off the streets.
I'm just saying, you know, damn you know. He goes
(54:16):
both ways. Like I'm gonna tell you a mom of
a girl and a mom of a boy. Okay, if
somebody puts if a man puts their hands on my daughter,
I'm coming for him. If if a girl puts her
hands on my son, either I'm coming for her or
my daughter coming for her, probably real before I even
get there. But don't just don't.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
You can be out here boxing with with this girl.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
I want you all to know I look young enough. Okay,
so by the time he start dating, which will be
not for like another thirty years, that's what you hope,
not today, No, but I look young enough, so I
will whoop on you.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Don't all right? Let him know to follow you.
Speaker 4 (55:11):
You could follow me on Instagram at real Robin O'Malley
and on Facebook at Robin O'Malley and as long as
TikTok is up and going. That is real, Robin O'Malley.
I've been posting on there too and kind of giving
hints by the way on my TikTok here and there
on the little project that I've been speaking on, So
follow there or Instagram to see that.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Notice how she just went from beating saying she's gonna
beat your daughter up to sounding all nice and sweet.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
I'm a s past kid.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Okay, y'all can follow me at d D kig bit everywhere.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
That's D T H E K.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
I N G p I N One more time, thank you,
one more time. Thank you to Sarah Smith for coming
on the show. We'll really appreciate did. We are out
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a little bit. But first miss O'Malley. How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Uh, I'm good. I'm chilling, chilling, currently chilling. Yeah, how
are you, Darby?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm cool man. You know, life be lifing as they say. Uh, Yeah,
I've been working. I've been working quite a bit. We
have a we have some things that's that's in store,
some really good things coming soon. So we'll uh we'll
be talking about that in a little bit. But uh
but yeah, I'm all right, man, I'm alright. You know,
(01:37):
life be life and as the kids say, and just
keeping on on grind. Then you got any big plans
for your weekend? We're taking this on a Friday, so
for your weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
No, actually, I'm going to stay I think we're supposed
to get a snowstorm here tomorrow actually Saturday, so I
am Actually I was actually planning just to stay in
and work on my little project that I've been working on.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yes, I'm very excited about that project.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Thank you. I hopefully I will get that out soon.
You know, I'm a Capricorn, so I tend to overthink
a little bit. But this is true.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This is true, This is true. Yeah, I'm looking forward
to that. Man, I'm looking forward to to that project.
That's gonna be uh, that's gonna be real dope. But
I didn't know it's gonna be a snowstorm tomorrow. I'm
glad you told me that because I'm gonna hunker down
and not go outside it all tomorrow because I didn't
know that. All Right, we are going to get to
our interview right now. All right, we have a very
(02:46):
special guest on the show today. She's an actor, actress, director, screenwriters,
screen producer, a whole bunch of stuff, every everything in
the business in the film business and film industry. But
she's also here to talk about something a little different.
She's being an advocate on a very important topic that
(03:10):
we're going to get to here in just a second.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
But first, Sarah Smith, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm wonderful, Thank you for having me. Absolutely, it was
a great introduction. By the way, the top, what the
top I've experienced so far?
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Awesome, awesome, I'm glad you liked it. So we actually met.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Through, you know, the the entertainment industry here in the city.
We're both based in the Greater Cleveland area, if you will,
and that was kind of how we how we met
and how we knew each other. But then during the
course of that, you know, something tragic happened and kind
(03:55):
of took you in a direction of of focusing on
trying to advocate for a particular issue that involved your sister.
So let's just start from the beginning, what tell everybody
you know for people who may not know, like what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So what happened was on October seventh of twenty twenty three,
my sister, Tristan Kate Smith, who was an emergency department
nurse in Dayton, Ohio, took her own life and behind
she left a piece of writing titled a letter to
my abuser, the abuser being the American healthcare system that
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she worked for. The letter, since we has been released,
has gone viral. I've had people reach out from Canada, UK, Australia, Netherlands, India,
all over and it's kind of led us to where
we are today, which is advocating and pushing for Ohio
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House Build to eighty five, which would mandate staff to
patient ratios and hospitals. Currently in the United States, the
only states that mandate this are California, Connecticut, and Oregon.
And so right now, if you think about it this way,
you go to the emergency room, your nurse could have
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an unlimited number of patients. You know that, And that's
just kind of crazy. And so that's what we are
working towards in memory of my sister, because this is
something that you know she talked about a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
So yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I know you mentioned that there was a letter that
she wrote. Yeah, did you Did you want to share
a little bit of that?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, sure, I can read it.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Ever since I was young, I expressed interest in healthcare
and becoming a nurse, so I began my study. I
gave my heart, my body, and my mind to you
by long days and hours, dedicated and giving you my all.
There were times that working in the emergency room were
extremely difficult, but also extremely rewarding. I have cried with
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my patients, with their families and for them. I have
even been there. They've even been there for me and
emotionally supported me in my hard times. The hands of
all the patients and families I have held hold mine
with me every day in my nursing career, encouraging me
and showing me why I do what I do. I
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thought that would all be all I needed to care
for them. And I know I have told you i'd
be with you to the end. Told you. Oh my gosh,
I just started the end.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
No I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Sorry, No I didn't. Okay, you're the editor. I'm that sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We're going to take.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I thought, oh my god, I would. I was like, seriously, Sarah,
let me make sure I'm on the Okay, hold on,
there's not miss it up in her?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
What is yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Okay. Ever since I was young, I expressed interest in
health care and becoming a nurse, so I began my study.
I gave my heart, my body, and my mind to you.
My long days and hours dedicated in giving you my all.
There were times that working in the emergency room were
extremely difficult, but also extremely rewarding. I have cried with
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my patients, with their families and for them. They have
even been there for me and emotionally supported me during
my hard times. The hands of all the patients and
families that I have held hold hold mine with me
every day of my nursing career, encouraging me and showing
me why I do what I do. I thought that
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would be all I needed to be able to care
for them. And I know I have told you I
would be with you to the end, told you I
would be there through the good and the bad. But
you have taken my heart and slowly crushed the goodness
it had. You love bomb me with affection. Because I
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knew I was going into something that matters. You made
me feel comfortable, despite the rumors of your abusive past
that I didn't want to believe the compliments, pizzas and
thank you letters. Because you had to slowly have less meaning.
The staff I had to help began to go away.
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They were unnecessary in your eyes, but so necessary for
the patients and nurses to provide what you advertise as
quality care. When I thought it couldn't get any worse,
you proved me very wrong when you started gaslighting and
manipulating us. You go around ask my colleagues and I
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what we need to help patients and improve satisfaction scores,
but when we tell you the truth, you instead send
us online courses saying we need to smile more and
be friendlier. I remember the first time I heard about
nurses getting hit and how you asked what they did
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to get hurt or didn't do to prevent someone else
from hurting them. Remember, you can't try to protect yourself
by fighting back, just later with your hands over your
head during the minutes it takes for security to come.
You started blaming us for things out of our control,
started criminally charging my colleagues for things that were your own.
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Doing as you know. The law doesn't care for the
Swiss cheese model. I no longer feel like you care
about me or the people you say you serve. I
sit at my front desk just waiting for someone to
come in and shoot my patients and I just because
of your lack of care for our protection. You haven't
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even given us metal detectors or proper security to promptly
keep us safe. You are only using and exploiting us
to line your pocket with the common citizens' money for
overcharged health care. You don't care about anyone because you
have a narcissistic personality. If you say you cared, why
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don't you listen when we beg on our hands and knees.
You say that we do so much and that we
put up with so much. When we think we are
finally going to get the love and support we deserve,
we only walk in ticket free pizza and pens for
the healthcare heroes. The truth is you only care about
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your own personal greed. I so desperately want to continue
to help people, but I cannot stay in this abusive relationship.
You have asked me to do more with less every day,
beating me to the point that my body and my
mind feel like they are black, bruised and bleeding out.
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I'm only sorry to my colleagues and patience. You deserve
so much better. But my abusive partner is relentless, and
if I stay, I will only lose my sanity and
possibly my life forever.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Wow wow Yeah, So first of all, I want some
month rendulences for your loss.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
That's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Did did she ever talk to you about what she
was going through before this? Like, did she ever share
that it was, you know, very all the things that
she was dealing with and all the pressures.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
And all of that and how they weren't really helping her.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Is this something that she had talked about before?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah? Absolutely. I Mean I would get a lot of calls.
She was a she worked at night, but she would
always call me and around that two am kind of
moment or whatever, and you would just kind of talk.
You know, what I've learned from all this is that
she talked to each family member about different aspects, right, So,
you know, for me, it was about the people, because
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she knows that I I've worked in customer service. I've
worked as a server for you know a lot of years,
and so we would kind of just talk about the
ridiculousness of people. So I knew about the stories about coworkers,
you know, getting hit and stuff like that and things
like that. My dad, you know, knew about her the end,
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getting physically sick before going into the shift and having
a lot of anxieties surrounding it. Yeah, I knew that
she was looking into like insurance and stuff because she
was so scared about being sued just for doing her job.
You know, there was a lot of a lot of
fear in the end, a lot of paranoia, and that's
kind of the culture that they've created.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I know, nurses deal with a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
As a matter of fact, my cousin is a nurse, and
a couple of weeks ago she was carjacked on the
way to go see one of her patients. So gosh,
you know, so that's awful.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I'm sorry, I appreciate it, but yeah, so, I you know,
I get it. It's a it's quite a bit that
they deal with. So you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That when you first started, when the letter came out
and everything, this this went viral. Talk a little bit
about some of the response is that you've gotten from
other people in the healthcare profession or people who didn't
know that this was going on, you know, talk a
little bit about some of the responses that you've gotten
since everything went viral.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So as far as healthcare professionals, you know, it's been
a lot of just stories and a lot of relating,
you know, a lot. I would say the most popular comment,
the most common comment was I am Tristan. I understand,
you know, and that alone breaks my heart. But then
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you know, to have I've spoken to probably hundreds of
people just and listen to their stories about how the
system tries to manipulate them and make them believe that
they're at fault, and then and still this level of
fear in them to where they can't leave their job
because they're barely getting paid enough, but then they're terrified
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to do their job at the same time. And so
it's been very, very emotionally overwhelming to an extent, but
also like eye opening in the most necessary way. As
far as people not in the industry, you know, it's
kind of it's a little bit different because I think
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it's one of those unless you know someone or you
know it, you don't really understand it, you know, And
to that I just say, Nursing is an inherently difficult job.
There are a lot of stressors. There are a lot
of things that we'll never understand that come along with
the job, and that you understand when you decide to
go in that career path. But the system shouldn't make
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it worse, you know. And probably one of the most
common responses outside of the system that I get is, well,
she should have just left her job. It's not worth
you know, her life. Sure, we try to encourage her
to maybe take a step back and stuff like that.
But here's the thing. The Ohio Nurses Uciation released a study,
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and you know, we've already lost so many nurses as
a crisis, right, well, seventy percent about how nurses are
considering leaving bedside because the current conditions that they work
in seventy percent. So we've lost say what like probably
let's just say, out of ten nurses, we lose five.
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So out of that five, another seventy percent are considering leaving.
What does it take you down to one point three
one point four nurses being the job of ten people, right, So, yeah,
they could leave their job. But guess what you're going
to go into the er and you're not gonna be
able to be seen. You know that leaving the job
isn't the solution. Let's create an environment where these people
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can still take care of us when we need the most, right.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Right, And there's I mean, and there's there's already a
nurse's shortage as it is, Like so that would just
the system would collapse at that point if seventy percent.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Decided to leave when we're all when we already don't
have enough nurses right now, that's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's terrifying. It's terrifying. You know. If that doesn't scare you,
then I don't know what will. But like you know,
and that's just right now, imagine what happens five years
down the road when that one nurse is doing all
that work. Do you think they're going to stick around.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Exactly exactly and you're not even considering you're not even
thinking about, you know, nurses that you are getting ready
to retire to and all that kind of stuff. Like
it's it's just that would be a it would be
a cycle of doom.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
It would It would.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Destroy the whole system. So something, something has.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
To be done. So speaking of something that has to
be done.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You mentioned earlier about a bill that you're trying to
get past, and with the Ohio legislator say the name
of the bill again and then talk about what it
would do.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It was a fantastic segue. The bill is here, welcome.
It is Ohio House Bill to eighty five, and so
it is a bipartisan bill that has been introduced and
already had its first hearing, the first in three years
for a bill of this type. And it essentially would
established establish nurse to patient ratios at hospitals. So currently
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in the United States, the only states to have something
of the sort are California, Oregon, and Connecticut, and so
multiple states have similar legislation, you know, introduced, it just
always kind of dies out. So our goal is to
not let that happen this time.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
So Okay, yeah ahead, No, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I forget what I was going to say, go right ahead.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So what's been the response so far down to Columbus.
Are the lawmakers receptive to it?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
So, you know, they they have been receptive of it
to a point I think that they all you know,
there's been a lot of they want to hear it out.
You know, when we talked to the Speaker of the
House wants to hear it out, Minority leader. Everyone kind
of wants to hear it out and hash it out.
So legislatures, I think they're okay with it. Who's not
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okay with it is the Ohio Hospital Association and the
Ohio Chamber of Commerce from what I hear, so you know,
you know there's opposition, and the at least from a
quote that I read, the reasoning is that it would
already put pressure on an already crippled system. And to that,
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I say, well, there was a study done from the
Houn nurs Association that surveyed over a thousand nurses and
ninety one percent of them so they would support legislation
like this. I don't know if you understand how difficult
it is to get ninety one percent of a thousand
people to agree on something, but like in this country, right,
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So to you know, I'm not a nurse.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I just know from what I've studied, like what I've researched,
and what you know people have told me and stuff.
But like to me, that's kind of like, oh, a
lot of people agree, so why why not? And the
reason why not is because you're gonna have to have
more staff, right, So there's already nursing shortage, So how
do you get more people in Well, forty of that
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same study, they said about forty percent I think of
nurses would consider returning to bedside if there were mandates
in place for ratios. So it's not perfect, but it's
something right.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Right well, and not only that, like it would I
think in a situation like that, you could possibly encourage
more people to maybe consider entering into the field.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I mean we have in Ohio, like there is a
lot of major large healthcare organizations and hospitals and things
like that, and they need more nurses anyway. Well, if
you make the environment better, maybe you'll get the nurses
that you need, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Right that, And so it's great that you mentioned that
because another part, the second part of this bill is
that it is a loan to grant program for nursing
students who work out their five years. I don't know
what the specific circumstances are, if it's like public hospital
or whatnot, but so it's a loan of grand program.
So after five years, your loans are turned into grants
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and forget it, you know. So it's not only trying
to help ease the pressure currently, it's looking towards the future.
And then speaking to these representatives, you know, they are
willing to say things like, hey, you know what, if
you can prove that you have made a viable effort
to hire people and there just aren't enough, we're not
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going to punish you for that under this legislation. Right,
So they're trying to make exceptions. They're trying to account
for the current environment, you know, but for whatever reason.
So that's part one of why they say that they
disapprove of the spill. And the second part of that
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was that it would and this gets me, limit innovation.
And well, how would be using the fewest amount of
people to do the most amount of work on the
most floors. That's how it would limit their innovation because
they cut into their profits because suddenly they have to
pay more people. That's what it boils down to there.
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I said it, wow, And you know, it's like, we
see what you're doing. No one's called you out until now,
but guess what I'm calling you out. I know exactly
what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Bruh, right right, I mean that's the same, that's the
same logic that is, especially in this state.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
That's the same logic that has devastated a lot of
our other industries.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
We're having a national conversation right now about the stuff
that we've given away and and the jobs that we've
given away because of.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Quote unquote innovation.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
We already know that our people are suffering because of
the things that we've given away. And like, I don't
think the healthcare system is the thing you want to
play with that needs to work.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know, the United States, we are number one in
health care costs, number one, we're number like, oh gosh,
I don't even know, like fifty eighth or something like that,
I think, And like, overall health care quality, what does
that tell you? What am I paying for?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
What does my six hundred and twenty four dollars a
month go towards?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, that's insane, you tell me, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But wow, yeah, you know, healthcare it's an overall reform.
It's you know, we could go on and on and
on about you know, from a consumer perspective, from an
employee perspective. You know, it's just so messed up, man,
you know, And this is just one little step to
help make it just a tiny bit more tolerable until
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we can just add more resources and to finally make
it something that people want to do again.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
All right, and that'll help with the pace, that'll help
with the patients too. Like nobody wants to be in
this situation right now. Like nobody's happy. The patients aren't happy,
the employees aren't nobody's happy.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Nobody's happy. Did you know that?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Thirty Oh good? The most recent study was thirty two
percent of nurses think about harming themselves. Wowly they don't
act on it, but like think about it. Wow, female
nurses are twice as likely to commit suicide the general population. Yes, yeah,
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it's it's crazy and we've we've had these numbers. These
aren't new numbers, and they're only going to continue to
go up, right, you know, so you know something needs
to be done. And like, if you don't like what's
being proposed, that's okay, but give us another option. Don't
just not like the idea. If you don't like the
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idea and you're not gonna say, but let's try this,
you're not willing to compromise. You just want to have
your cake and eat it too.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so I know We just talked about
what the response has been. Are there any.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Elected officials that are sponsoring or co sponsoring the bill?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah? So it is a bipartisan bill. Names. You're gonna
ask me names? Aren't you edit?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
You're gonna you're gonna edit this.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Part out to No, You're good. I just okay, hold on,
let's pull up there. Okay, that's right. It's a hard
name to pronounce. Okay, So, yes, there actually are. So
this is a bipartisan bill. It is sponsored by Representatives Gonna,
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Bari and Rogers Junior. So Republican and Democrat working together
on this bill, you know, which, I y itself.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Is a miracle that should say a lot about the bill,
just alone that it's a bill that should say something.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
About Honestly, Yes, but also, this isn't you know, this
isn't an issue of size, This isn't a Republican issue,
this isn't a Democrat issue. This is just a human issue. Like, honestly,
who doesn't like nurses, Like if you've done to the
hospital and nurses taking care of you, you know, it's
just like it's kind of mind blowing to me that
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we expect these people to take care of us, but
we're not willing to take care of them. It's weird,
you know, I don't I don't understand it. Here comes
a millennial in me. I'm gonna start saying, I don't
understand this.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I don't understand that, right, right, So what's so, what's next?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
What are is there a hearing on the.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Billing time soon or so for this particular bill. It
already had its first hearing, so we're waiting a here
back as far as when the next hearing will be.
So we're kind of just in a stalemate for that
right now. But I know that it's there are people
trying to shut it down so that it doesn't make
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it any further, right, which is you know, unfortunate. However,
there is a workplace violence bill that currently had its
second meeting, and so you know, it's just another element
to my sister's letter and the experiences. So this would
help limit the workplace violence. If you think about it,
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what happens if you hit a cop, right.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
You're going to jail?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Exactly what happens if you hit a nurse? M nothing?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah? Who signs up to get literally physically assaulted and
then to not be allowed to say hey, this happened,
and then your employer be like, well, what did you
do wrong?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, that's fow it is.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's absolutely insane, So that is also another element of it.
Would love to see the bill passed, you know, kind
of along the same lines. But for me, it's about
the staffing ratios, right, you know, because it just seems
to make sense, you know, and I would love to
see workplace violence. I would love to see the bill pass.
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I would also love to see some mental health bills
be passed, because what I've gathered from everyone that I've
spoken with is that they're just scared to seek help.
And I don't like that, you know, because some hospitals
will offer mental health services, like my sister's hospital did,
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But when my dad asked her if she would go
talk to that person, she said, oh, hell no, that's
a that'll I'll lose my license. Because they're not there
for you. They're there to determine if you can quote
unquote do your job, and it's more of like a
threatening thing. It's not to make sure you're okay. It's
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to you know, protect the hospital. And if they say
you're not going to do your job, you're not gonna
get paid, and then when you're not getting paid, what
happens you lose You could lose a lot of stuff.
You could lose your house, your care are, maybe you've
got kids that need to be fed, you know. So
it's like a lot of the people that we've asked,
and you know, we're currently in the process. My sister
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and I are of doing a study on these exact questions.
If I can't release the results, but you know I
can hint it things and that is that people don't
feel safe with the mental health services being offered. But
if there were statutes and limitations in place to where
they didn't have to report it to their employer unless
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they were, you know, a risk to themselves or their patients,
a significant amount would be willing to seek help that
they need. Well, you know, and it's the same with
UH police officers, paramedics. We expect these firefighters, we expect
these people to be in like these high adrenaline, risky careers,
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but then you're expected to go to the next colle
like it was nothing. There's no decompression.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I had a regular that was a cop, and you know,
he would say, you know, oh, it's dead body day,
and then I have to go deal with a property
dispute right after that. But yet you're still messed up
by all the morbid iss you just saw. You know,
there's no we don't allow for this decompression. And yes,
again they are these stressful jobs, but like they're still humans,
they're human beings.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. There's still human beings.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, so we've kind of gotten away from the human
aspect and just expected to be like, well, you just
have to suck it up. You just have to suck
it up. You just have to suck it up. The
days of sucking it up are over because look what's happening.
Look what happened to your sister. She had that mentality,
you know, you would tell her to get help. Oh no,
it's okay, I'll be all right. It's the sucking it
up because you don't want to show any sign of
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weakness until it just pushes you over the edge. And
I don't want that for anybody.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, you know, Yeah, that's man, that's unfortunate. I'm really
hopeful from everything that And we've talked about this before
off the air, So yeah, I was a little familiar
with it, so I'm very hopeful from everything that I've
heard about the bill, I hope bill passes.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I think it's something that we need.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And I know that there are some elected officials that
listen to the show, so I hope they heard this
episode and understand the importance of this particular bill. So
for people who are listening who may want to help,
may want their voices to be heard or want to
help in this effort, what can they do?
Speaker 5 (32:14):
What can they do to help?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, you can definitely write your representatives. You know, there
is power and numbers, and the more you send it
in on the same topic, the more likely they are
to hear about it. And that is coming directly from
people that I've spoken to, you know, So keep writing
your representatives and honestly talk about it. I don't care
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if it's on social media or in person conversations. But
you know, the way things get done in this country
is when the people make it so loud that an
issue cannot be ignored. That's the only way things get done.
So like for me, I will walk around you know,
I'm in Canton, Ohio downtown. Can't with my asking about
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how spilled two eighty five T shirt on and I
would gladly talk to anyone that asked me about it,
you know. But you know, we just have to continue
to share and continue to share my sister's story. You know,
no family should have to go through this. No father
should have to find their daughter the way that my
dad did. You know, that is not okay.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I am not okay with that.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
And so if we can continue to talk about this
and help prevent it for one more family, this is
so worth it, you know, and that is the theme
of my family. But talk about it. Everybody. Ask questions.
If you have friends in the healthcare industry, ask questions,
be like, hey, I heard this podcast and I heard
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some things. Are you willing to speak to me about it?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
You know?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And lastly, check in on your healthcare friends too, you know,
be like, I'm here if you need me, How can
I help you? You know, if you feel like someone
is struggling, I know it's scary and it's easy to
shut down, but you know, try to just offer that hand.
How can I help you? Because usually it's just having
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someone to listen to really just get it off your chest. Yeah,
I know, someone Yeah, And you know, if you or
someone you know is struggling. You can call or text
the National Suicide Hopline at nine eight eight, So simple,
nine eight eight.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So as we wind down here, I will be remiss
if I didn't ask you how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And how is your father doing?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I mean, obviously you know this has been a traumatic
experience for your whole family.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
So are how are y'all doing through all of this?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
For me personally, it you know, varies by day. Unfortunately,
this is not the first experience I've had with a
close family death won't be the last. But you know,
you learn to just survive day by day. Some days
are better than others. That is part of the grieving process,
you know. I account a lot of therapy and just
(35:19):
an amazing support group just really checking in on me
and making sure everything's good. You know, my employers have
been fantastic. You know, I'm very fortunate to have that
support system, you know. And for my dad, I think
it's kind of the same thing. He has an amazing
support system. He you know, has done the therapy, and
(35:44):
I think for him, he just he really has a purpose.
I've never my dad has always been a very hard worker,
but I've never seen him quite so passionate about anything
as what I've seen him exert these past several months,
you know, So for him, it is all about this
(36:07):
change and being a change for the good. And we're
not just going to stop with Ohio. Ohio is a
stepping stone. Ohio has an opportunity to be one of
the first. But you know, there are forty six other
states that still don't have these laws in place. There
are still federal mandates that can be done. So, you know,
I think that when it comes to death like this,
(36:29):
you can either keep it quiet and just do your
own thing, or you can talk about it and try
to help other people. And we chose the second without hesitation.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Absolutely what else.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I'm glad to see that your family is turning, you know,
pain into purpose. That's always the best, the best route
to go is to take that pain and turn it
into purpose. So if people want to get any more information,
you know, is there social media or anything they can
go to.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So you can definitely check me out on Instagram, Sarah
with an h underscore Beth Smith. Oh there are several
links to the different house bills, My sister stories posted
on there, her letters posted on the page, all that
kind of stuff. You might get bombarded with some film
stuff too. Sorry, not sorry, but you know, I think
that's the best way you can. You know, just google
(37:29):
Ohio House Bill two eighty five. You know, if you
want some of the statistics that I talked about, it
is Ohio Nurses Association code read. That was the study
that they did, so that'll be listed on that page
as well.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
All Right, my friend, thank you so much for come
on and shows. Unfortunately that it was on this topic.
Maybe the next time you can come back and talk
about all the other stuff that you have going on,
because you have an incredible story, you're doing incredible will work,
and you really being a boss out here in this business.
So we're definitely gonna talk about that next time you
(38:07):
come back on. But thank you for sharing, for sharing
this with us, I definitely appreciate well, thank.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You for having me and thank you for allowing me
to talk about this absolutely.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
All right, stay tuned. We have more to come when
the Outlaws will be right back. Welcome true Sir pray
yuh walcome back, welcome back and listening to the Outlaws
one more time. I want to send a special shout
out to Sarah Smith coming on the show. We really
(38:40):
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
And now it was the time of the show that
we like to call Tea Time with Roe.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Turn it up with the complication, the latest celebrity news,
and gossipation. It's Tea Time with Roe on the Outlaws
Radio show.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
You guys, Oh my gosh, there has been so much
going on in the world lately. I don't know which
end is up. I don't know about you guys, but
it has been so chaotic you don't know which story
to listen to or pay attention to. And it's just
like uugh. But I do have a couple of stories
that is a little off topic to what has been
(39:21):
going on lately. So first and foremost I am going
to talk about I have to start off with my
girl Rihanna. I have to. I don't know, it's just
I'm drawn to this one first. So Rihanna. Everybody has
been wanting Rihanna to make some music. And guess what,
you guys, I mean, she's making music. It is for
(39:43):
a movie, but she's making music. I'm excited. Hopefully it'll
be kind of similar to the last one she did.
That that song hit, that would definitely hit. But this
one is for the new Smurfs movie that is going
to be coming out this summer. And as if anybody
you know of our regular listeners, you all know that
(40:04):
I have a daughter, and so I'm so excited to
take her. I don't know if I'm excited for her
or if I'm excited for me, but I'm excited. Okay.
So I just had to bring that up because all
Rihanna been on is her lingerie and her makeup and
my girl, she's stepping out of the box. So shout
(40:24):
out to her for that.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, absolutely, I am a Rihanna fan. Maybe people may
not know that, but I am a Rihanna fan. So
I am looking forward to this. I want to see
some new.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Music, y is. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm
so excited. I love her. That's my girl. All her albums,
like her older albums, I'm telling you right now, I
have them all the time blaring in my car, like
as if they just came out. Her stuff goes platinum
in my car all the time. My money.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Ah, it's just.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
So anyway, next, so we are going to move to
somebody that we don't hear about often. It is a
top legend actor. In my personal opinion. If you don't
know who he is, you've been under a rock your
entire life. Jackie Chan, you better know who he is.
(41:25):
I'm just saying, just saying, I'm judging. I'm we listen
and we don't judge, but I'm judging. So Jackie Chan,
he wants to donate his four hundred million fortune to charity.
He said, now listen, listen to this. Okay. When I
(41:45):
was a child, I was very poor and wanted everything.
Now I want to give away everything. When I give
somebody something and see their face, it just makes me
so happy.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Instead of giving it to his.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Son, this is what he wants to do. And oh
my god, that just almost put me in tears. That
is beautiful. That is so beautiful. That is I mean,
I would still leave some some my child, but I
absolutely I love that. I wow.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
So that's exactly where how I feel about it, how
I wanted to talk about it because of that, because
here's the thing. To me, you absolutely should donate money
to charity. I love that part. I don't love the
part of not giving anything to your kids. To me,
(42:43):
especially since Jackie talked about growing up poor, as you
and I both grew up poor. I don't want my
kids to have to deal with what I dealt with,
you know what I'm saying, Like we are straw, So
like when I have kids, I want my kids. I don't.
(43:04):
My kids are gonna have their own struggles, right, and
they're gonna have to work. I don't want to. I
don't want everything to just be handed to them. But
there is a there's a point in bringing and making
sure they have an inheritance. I want my kids to
have an inheritance. You know what I'm saying. I think
it's a good thing that they have an inheritance. So
(43:28):
I don't I don't. I don't like that. I don't
like that part. Like I love the whole giving donating
money to charity, donating a lot of money to charity.
But you know, even the Bible talks about Proverbs thirteen
twenty two says a good man leaves an inherance to
his children's children. So not just your kids, but your grandkids.
(43:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't see anything
wrong with that, and so that kind of and I
know that there's a lot of rich people who say
that and and do that way, they like, I'm not
leaving my kids anything. I don't like that. I think
that's part of like what we're striving for is to
be able to have a legacy and change the trajectory
(44:14):
of your family. So, I mean that's my thoughts. I mean, what,
what what's your thoughts on.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
I feel that, yes, leave money for your family, for
your children and their children, but however, maybe kind of
do it in the sense of educating your children and
having teaching them along the way before you know, it
comes to the point where you decide to give the
(44:43):
money up, maybe teach them a little the way to
how to earn their money, to know how to earn
and to hustle. Absolutely that way, they don't grow up,
you know, expecting or having that that that mindset where
you know they're they're they're constantly thinking, oh, I'm good,
(45:04):
I'm good.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
Good.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You don't want them to be in that way because life,
you know, life, life, life episode. I think that's my
personal opinion, you know, but yes, leave some for your children,
maybe split it in half or something. Split you know,
(45:29):
leave some for your children, but also donate I wouldn't
say or maybe like start like open up a home
or something for homeless people or something like. That's what
I would love to do if I became rich, I
would want to open up some type of a home
that housed.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
You meant you meant when I just wanted to correct
you real quick, go ahead, continue.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Appreciate that, my bad appreciate. Yeah, so I would.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I would.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
I would want to open up have a house built,
a building, a big nice place built, or even like
a neighborhood and house the homeless and help them by
getting IDs and help them by getting you know, on
their feet and getting started at least getting them in
(46:24):
the proper place. Like you could do things like that,
you know what I mean, like something like that where
you can start a program where that you could do that.
And I'm not saying like section eight like where people
get too comfortable, right, like there's got to be a
way to go about it. But yeah, just I could
go on about that forever. But that's what's my opinion
(46:45):
on that.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, And I'm not saying that this shouldn't be like
you can't have like benchmarks that your kids have to
hit in order to get certain dollar amounts and stuff
like that, which people set that up all the time.
Were certain things that you have to do, you know
what I mean, And so I agree with that, but
I just don't like the idea of leaving nothing to
your kids like you're supposed to. You're supposed to leave
(47:07):
money to your kids.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Yeah, no, my kids will not. They if when when
I get to that place in life, my kids will
be sent because the thing is is me personally growing
up and just like how Jackie Chance say, he grew
up poor, he grew up in the struggle. You know,
(47:29):
my children, you know, we're not poor, but you know
what we also are not. We're not comfortable, right, I mean,
and you came from the struggle.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
You you grew up poor, so you know what it's like.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Yeah, you know what I mean. And my son, you know,
he's seen a.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Lot of it.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
He ain't before him, but you know, like he's seen
it all. And so you know, I mean, my kids
they know hustle, but I would still make sure that
they are set in a straight irregardless, like if something
happens to you or something, you want your kids to
be good, right, So please my kids. I don't know,
(48:11):
but shout out to him. We love Jackie Chan.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Shout out to Jackie Chan. All right, close it out.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Oh yes, Actually we have one more. And this one
is a topic that we often talk about here on
our laws. I don't know if we talk about it
on air. Are more off air than on air, but
we talk about it. So I may I may potentially
(48:37):
get called to pick me.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
It depends on who's listening. But I will voice my opinion.
So there is a story it is, uh, it is
going around. Well, video that is going around viral of
bow Wow, who was also in the nineties into me
a nineties.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
I don't even know about two.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
It was like late nineties, early two thousand, okay.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
So he had a quick run so little bow Wow. Okay,
if you if you from that era, you know, you know,
if you know, you know. So bow Wow and his
girlfriend they got into an altercation. I'm not sure how
it started, what went down, et cetera, et cetera. There
(49:25):
is a clip though, that is going around, uh, showing
from the police from their camera their body footage of
bow Wow talking about and explaining what had happened, and
he the way that he was expressing himself almost appeared
as acting, and because he wasn't yelling, he was actually
(49:47):
talking but in kind of almost in a whisper tone,
and people were judging him on that, saying, oh.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Bow Wow is such a good actor, he's such an actor,
blah blah blah blah blah, and people talking about the men,
especially saying like, you know, call on him a punk,
and you know, saying that you ain't supposed to do
that and saying this that, and the fourth in the
comments like in all kinds of different popes.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
So bow Wow in his picture that was taken by
the police, he has I mean big gashes on his face.
He has a couple of gashes. He has two underneath
both of his eyes. It definitely appears that it probably
turned into a black eye, both of them. And the
(50:33):
girlfriend has not one single mark on her, not one
single physical appearance of a mark on her at all.
And by people saying these comments, I have something that
I want to say about that we need to stop
trying to hush men. We need to stop trying to
(50:54):
take their voice away, because there are there are women
that are abusive too, yep. And sometimes a lot of times,
whether people want to admit it or not, or accept
it or not. Women can be abusive just all on
their own because they crazy bees. They just abusive and
(51:20):
and they just do that. They they need they they
are off their meds. Okay, Like there are women that
are like that that will verbally abuse a man, physically
abuse a man, emotionally abuse a man whatever. Like it
goes for women too, And we need to stop trying
to make men be quiet and tell them that they
(51:43):
cannot have emotions or they cannot speak on it, and say,
this woman abused me, this woman put her hands on me.
That's got to stop now. If if had it been
a situation where it could have been similar to when
it went down with Chris Brown, where him and Rihanna
I had gotten into an altercation, and now he's Chris
(52:04):
Brown is still being you know, accounted for with it. Yeah,
the people are still trying to like cancel him. But
instead of bow wow putting his hands on this girl,
he told the police what happened. And he's sitting here
trying to explain what happened, and he did not put
his hands on her. In my personal opinion, if he
(52:28):
did not put his hands on her, i don't know
the whole story. I'm just saying my opinion based off
of what I'm seeing. If he did not put his
hands on her, he is doing the right thing. He
is doing the right thing by speaking up and telling
them what happened, and he did not put his hands
on her, and I respect him for that.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I've known people in situations
like that where you know they've gotten hit by that
when we've had conversations before. I got a couple of
homeboys that have went through that. I've gotten hit before
and not hit back, you know what I'm saying. Like so,
but it's one of those things where it's like you're
(53:12):
punk or whatever if you talk about it, and you know,
people don't. They don't look at it the same way,
you know what I mean. They don't look at it
when men go through it the same way as when
a woman goes through it. It's you know, men is
a man has looked at as being weak if they
(53:35):
even acknowledge that they're going through things like that. But
you know, a woman has looked at as brave when
they talk about the issues that they deal with. And
I just think that no matter whether it's a man
or a woman, keep your MF and hands to yourself.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
I agree, I absolutely agree. And to the fellas, you
are not weak. If anything that makes you strong, that
makes you strong, and you know you have to protect yourself,
and you know I get these abusers off the streets.
I'm just saying, you know, damn you know. He goes
(54:16):
both ways. Like I'm gonna tell you a mom of
a girl and a mom of a boy. Okay, if
somebody puts if a man puts their hands on my daughter,
I'm coming for him. If if a girl puts her
hands on my son, either I'm coming for her or
my daughter coming for her, probably real before I even
get there. But don't just don't.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
You can be out here boxing with with this girl.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
I want you all to know I look young enough. Okay,
so by the time he start dating, which will be
not for like another thirty years, that's what you hope,
not today, No, but I look young enough, so I
will whoop on you.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Don't all right? Let him know to follow you.
Speaker 4 (55:11):
You could follow me on Instagram at real Robin O'Malley
and on Facebook at Robin O'Malley and as long as
TikTok is up and going. That is real, Robin O'Malley.
I've been posting on there too and kind of giving
hints by the way on my TikTok here and there
on the little project that I've been speaking on, So
follow there or Instagram to see that.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Notice how she just went from beating saying she's gonna
beat your daughter up to sounding all nice and sweet.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
I'm a s past kid.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Okay, y'all can follow me at d D kig bit everywhere.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
That's D T H E K.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
I N G p I N One more time, thank you,
one more time. Thank you to Sarah Smith for coming
on the show. We'll really appreciate did. We are out
of here. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network,
where Real Talk lives.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
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