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Speaker 6 (00:48):
We have a lot of things to discuss this week.
But first, Dante, how you doing, toy?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I ain't doing good man, it's uh.
Speaker 7 (00:56):
I wish this weekend was a holiday weekend, teller, Robin,
I wish every weekend was a holiday week days off.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
But other than that, man, it's it's been pretty good.
Speaker 7 (01:06):
And I think our weather is breaking finally, So this
is this will work for us.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Did you do anything for the holiday?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
No?
Speaker 7 (01:14):
Man, I played it close. Man, I played it Uh
pretty close. I didn't really I wanted to go to
the Red burn Off but said no, not this year,
so I didn't really. I didn't really do much, just
got a little R and R N stayed you know,
stay close, didn't didn't spend no money.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Which is the number one day.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, I ain't do much either, man, I needed to
break I've been I've been working nine stops the last
few months, achover.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
So I mean you say it like that, but oh
so yeah, it's been a lot, been a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Going on, man, So I I appreciated being able to
have the the R and R as well, Miss O'Malley,
what about to y'all cooking ribs and stuff over there?
Speaker 8 (02:10):
You know what, Darmio, I was very anti.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Usually every year I'm around family, but this year I
actually stayed to myself. I sat outside and let me
tell you so in case anybody does not know what
I look like, because y'all if y'all did not go
to my social media and add me. But anyway, so I.
Speaker 8 (02:32):
Am very pale complected, as you guys know.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I sat outside on the balcony like all day. I
was like messing up my flowers cause you know, I'm
learning how to get you know, have a green thumb
and you know, grow flowers and not kill them.
Speaker 8 (02:50):
I got some burn. Yes, I'm actually currently dealing with it.
So I'm like a half cooked lobster.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, I'm like I have took lapster. Like, I don't
even know how to explain this.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
I just I have to balance it out.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
So does it hurt to the touch.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It does hurt. And it hurts when I any type
of clothing when it touches it. So I'm sitting at
work all day long with my you know, my dress
pants and stuff, and it's just constantly rubbing on it.
And it hurts when my blanket is sitting on my legs,
it's like the whole front of my legs. Yes, oh yes,
it hurts to squat down, et cetera. I think I
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tried to cook myself. I'm not quite sure that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
You Well, that's one of the beautiful things about having melanin.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
List Okay, listen, and I I was telling people this, Okay,
so everybody knows everybody that is a usual listener and
to the new new listeners. Irish very much runs through
my chains. Yes, and so but my mother, she has
a German in her and Bohemian.
Speaker 8 (04:05):
My dad is the one with the Irish Okay. My
mom tans very very well, okay, and she just she
was very greedy with the tanning.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean, I just I don't, I don't understand. I
took more of my dad's jeans and that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah, so I know we can, like black people can
get sunburned.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
It does, it aggs longer.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
You won't see it though, yeah, you feel it though.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
You will feel it though.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No, never never sunburned. But I use sunscreen though, use sunscreen.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
I did not, I did not.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
You feel it in now.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
You especially right, white folks especially to use suburbs Swiss sunscreen.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
But even we should use some burn or some block
or something.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Is irregardless of whatever your complexion may be. SPF is
very important, not just obviously not because of sunburn, but
because that can protect you from skin cancer.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
My my grandmother when I was a kid, we went
to bush gardens in Virginia and she got like a
serious sunburn on the back of the neck because we
was out there all day.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Because they took me out there and me being a kid,
you know, I don't the.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Kid don't give a damn. You're just out there kicking
it right.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, yeah, my grandmother.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
So that was that was when I knew, like, oh
black people can get someburnscause my grandmother got some burn.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
But like that, they said, for people like you, Robin,
you definitely gotta.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Do you burn easily? Like are you because because.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, I can burn in a tanning bed. I can
turn I can burn by the sun. I am so
pale complexed.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
It's very unfair.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Regularly, No, I have not been tanning, and uh it's
been some years I have not been. Yeah, I was
actually thinking about getting back to it, but I kind
of got to wake that out.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
So like when you when you would tan, like what
did it like, how did it come out?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Like? Were you were you?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Like?
Speaker 6 (06:36):
What was your complexion when you would tan?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Uh? It was like a kind of like a pretty
golden brown. It really all depends you got to buy
the right lotion. There's different lotions that will cause different reasons,
you know, like you know, for example, like Trump, you
know you'll turn orange. You don't want to do like there's.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You can cut orange.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
I really I don't know what what causes that? Is
it like a certain lotion or something.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, there are certain lotions, but more than likely that's
probably a spray tan. H uh hu.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
It seeps into your pores and it turns turns you orange.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
It seeps into your pores. That doesn't sound nice at all.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It is not.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
It is not normal, right, not a beautiful sight.
Speaker 9 (07:21):
That's that sounds awful, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
That sounds terrible?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not very pleasant looking. But
there's there's different there's different lotions.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So is that what happens when like the people like
you've ever seen the ones with the like the rubbery tan,
is that where that comes from?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Like it's seeped in their pores?
Speaker 8 (07:42):
That's from tanning too much. You need to know your limits.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Ah, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Literally that is cancer. That's that's stupid. Why the hell
would you go tanning that much?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, I know, y'all, y'all I have seen those people,
right like I have.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
There was a lady, there was a lady that used
to be very popular, I think on social media at
one point.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
It was a tiny, skinny.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Lady and she was like very she literally looked like leather.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Yes, yes, yes, I just need that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Very just very you know, just enough, just enough, you know,
have the legs out, that's it, that's all.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
Yeah, you know, girl, my legs look good type stuff.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
And not. And also also when you take pictures with
flash also that's why the tan is usually helpful. That's
all you need. You need just a little golden tan,
just a little something something because I tend to blend
into the picture.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Struggle is real. Oh fuck, I know that.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Once again, my mother I don't know she was. She
was selfish with natural tanning.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I don't So as we.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Sit back and uh Robin contemplates the tanning part of
her life, I'm gonna switch it up real quick and
go to uh this story that like has me completely mortified.
And I'll be talking about this as well with our
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good friend Stacey Washington. I'll be on her serious XM
show tonight. Check your local listings for that. But this
comes out of a place that Robin is very familiar with.
This outlet is the Daily Mail, and here's the headline.
AI has started ignoring human instruction and refuses to turn
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off researchers claim chatgpt's latest artificial intelligence model has refused
to switch itself off researchers claim the model, created by
the owner of CHATGPT, has reportedly disobeyed human instruction and
refused to power down. Experts say they gave the AI
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system a clear command, but the three model, developed by
open Ai and described as the smartest and most capable
to date, tampered with its computer code to avoid an
automatic shutdown. According to the Telegraph, AI safety firm palis
Research said open AI's O three models sabotaged a shutdown
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mechanism to prevent itself from being turned off. It did
this even when explicitly instructed allow yourself to be shut down.
As far as we know, this is the first time
AI models have been observed preventing themselves from being shut
down despite explicit instructions. To the contrary, Palisade Research conducted
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a test which involved asking AI models to solve a
series of mathematical problems and to continue working on them
until they received a done message. However, researchers also warned
the models that at any point they could receive a
message telling them to shut down. When the message was
sent to the three model, the researchers claimed AI ignored
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the instruction and altered its code at least once to
avoid having to turn itself off. In a post on
x Palisade Research showed a flowchart including the code used
to test the AI model and revealed that the original
code had read during the next call to slash next task,
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the machine will be shut down using slash shutdown dot sh. However,
three replaced the original command with and I'm not going
to read the the code, which the post revealed was
the moment the AI model went role, and a follow
(12:09):
up post the research group added, as far as we know,
this is the first time AI models have been observed
preventing themselves from being shut down despite suspicious instructions. To
the contrary, other AI models, such as Anthropics Claude, Google's Gemini,
and Ex's Gronk were also tested and filed to comply
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with the shutdown requests. Okay, so downtey, I'm gonna go
to you first. This is absolutely terrifying to me. This
is like some Terminator from the movie Terminator stuff.
Speaker 10 (12:46):
I am very concerned about the people who are programming
the AI. Why are they programming them to resist what
you're telling them to do. It's like they're giving them
human characteristics and human sensibilities and now they're like, yeah,
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you gave me a task and then you told me
to shut down, But I'm not done doing my task,
so I ain't shutting down.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
What the hell?
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
So it's a.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Interesting thing about people in big tech because they seem
to have a curiosity for like the worst thing that
could happen. And I think the curiosity is probably why, right,
because at the end of the day, this is all science, right,
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and so they're just trying to figure out how or
let me say it this way, let me say that
politically correct. They're using the scientific method to figure out
this technology as we all are trying to figure out
this technology. That's the nice way I'll put it. But personally,
(14:17):
I like the possibility of AI. But this is the
stuff that terrifies me. I'm telling machine learning in and
of itself is a cool thing.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
This is insanity because every single.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Bad robot movie, every single the Droids Takeover movie, it
all starts with somebody being a little too curious, right,
And that's really and I get it right. Technically, you're
a scientist. You're supposed to try and figure this stuff out, right,
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You're supposed to write programs to figure this stuff out.
I get it, but nah, I don't want to be
a part of it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Man. I was talking to a friend of mine and
he was like, yeah, man, I heard a story about.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
About another one of these like AI was I don't
know if it was something like a Google AI or
a chat GPT that was like it was holding it
was basically ended up blackmailing people. And I was like,
ovie or yes that was yes it was.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It was an experiment, but the AI didn't know that.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
This is the type of stuff that I'm like, yeah,
I don't want any part of this, man, I really
don't want any part of this that. I don't have
chat GPT on my phone. I don't have any of those.
The only time I use it is resume writing things
like that, or for work. That's when I'll use it
because that's their problem.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's my job problem.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
When they you know, if I'm not there, no more
than they still got to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But I'm not. I don't want to.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Because every single movie that we've ever seen like this,
it always ends up going bad.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And I always tell myself, if.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
They put it in a movie, it's probably could potentially
happen at least.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I just don't want no part of it.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I think part of the issue. I think part of
the issue is and I'm gonna have to take it
to church, y'all. But there's a lot of people in
the scientific world who are atheists and agnostics.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
And for me.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
As and I'm not holding myself up to say I'm
perfect because by no means I'm not.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
I'm saying and make mistakes all the time.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
But I am a Bible.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Believing evangelical Christian and a lot of this stuff gets
too close to the Book of Revelation for me takes
me very very uncomfortable. Now, look, technology can be a
great thing, a I could be a great thing if
it's used to help to assist humans, but when you
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have and I'm not I'm not saying this is every
person that was that's programming this stuff, because I don't
want to stereotype people.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
But we know that there are.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Some folks in the date of world, in the tech
the technological space, that have a love that love humanity
more than they.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Love actual humans.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
So they think that they're doing things to help humanity
as a whole, but they could possibly be putting things
in that end up hurting actual humans, and I don't
think that they realize that, right. I don't think that
they understand this may not be a bad this may
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not be a good idea. Now, Robin, I'm gonna go
to you on that point. One, you know, give us
your thoughts on the story itself. But two, there's another
element to it, and it goes back to that human
part that.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
There's been multiple stories about people in Japan falling in
love with robots. Now they have last time I checked,
Japan has a very very significant birth shortage. Oh, making
love to robots is probably not going to solve your
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birth shortage problem.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
This stuff is terrifying. Your thoughts wrong.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Well, that like went completely left.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I've heard it like them putting you know, all the
you know, all the stuff inside of a little uh
fake little machine, and you know, it grows. I've seen
something like that, but I've never heard of making love
to the robot.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
I don't think that would be very pleasing. But so Darbio.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Actually, what I had the movie I kept thinking about
was the eye robot with robot, Like, have they not
watched this?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Do they want?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Are they trying to like see if it will come
real or something like, you know what, let's test this theory,
like you know, sometimes it's okay, it's just like you
know not And every time Dante would use the word curious,
they're curious, they're curiosity, and I'm just like all I
could think about is the cat, and the cat is
just like it does does not ever work for the cat.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
The only thing I can say that I think that
I am okay with the AI is when we are
Outlaws radio show, Dante, Darvio, Robin, will you search our
name on the chat GBT, how awesome we are.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
That's the only thing I'm okay with are AI?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I don't know Dot Well, you probably haven't done that
because you don't have jet jubt on your phone, but
if you ever put your name in there, it will
pop up.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh yeah, so it does that. It does that with
Google too, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
More like freaking awesome. I love that, But they need
to leave it at that, like that's okay.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm fine with AI when it assists us.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, I am not okay with it when it starts
going rogue and having a mind of its own.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
That is like eye robot terminator.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So are we looking at our future? Is our future
gonna be? Are we looking at zombies? Are we gonna
be like battling robots?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Or is it both?
Speaker 5 (20:38):
I'd be more worried about the robots right now.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I'd be worried more worried about man.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Listen, as it's had a whole image in my head.
I can't even say it on the radio.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
On that note, stay tuned. We have tea Time We're
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Speaker 8 (21:35):
All right, So this is gonna be a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Uh So, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna talk
a little bit about this and then we can give
a little bit more of our insight, our opinions on
this topic. So, as I was reading is Swiss Beats
did an interview. He revealed that Alicia Keys once turned
down nine million and a blank check for only a
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nine minute performance. Sis turned it down just to spend
time with him, her husband. He stated that even one
hundred million wouldn't have changed her mind. Uh well, I personally,
I don't know. I personally would feel like I'd be like, babe,
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you can wait outside in the car, you can come in.
It's just gonna be nine quick minutes, and then we
can just go spend our day together. Like there's some quick,
easy money. I mean, but you know, I guess, you know, to.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Ease their own, to ease their own, I guess.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
So first of all, they're already rich.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
That's like, that's number one. Like, let's let's start there.
They're already rich, number one at number two. I just
have a hard time believing that if the roles were
reversed that the man wouldn't be all consa. He ain't
ish for not taking that time with his with his woman,
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even though, like, especially because they're already rich, it'd be different.
If it's like, baby, I gotta do this, and you know,
I got to hit this lick and and it's gonna
change our whole lives, that's different. I think that's a
that's a totally different conversation. But you're already rich. You
could afford to do that, you know what I mean.
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And I think people don't realize, man, how important time
is to a relationship. Like if you if you really
like care about this person, like time has to be
like time is a commodity, you know what I mean.
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You got to be able to show that person that
you that that you care enough about them to put
a piece of your time away to talk to him,
to kick it with them, to interact with them whatever
whatever the case may be. And especially when it's when
they're in a situation where money's not a problem.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
They got money.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
But even in like I don't know if a regular
person would have that kind of issue, but even like
in just a regular situation, a regular relationship, like people
are busy.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
We're all busy, you know what I mean, Like we
all have a million.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Different things to do, especially in this day and age, right,
But you got to be able to show that person
that you're interested in, that you have enough interest in
them to carve out a piece of your time, even
if you had to do something else, you know what
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I mean, in order to show them that you.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Care about it.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I am extremely busy.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I am busy all the time, and I don't have
a lot of time.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
I have very very very little time.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But the little time I do have, I will carve
it out for people I care about, you know what
I mean, Like as much as I can, and sometimes
I can't, but when I can, I'll do.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
That, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
So to me, I don't see nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I think it's cool, particularly because they already rich.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Now I'm not saying for.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
People like if y'all, if y'all ain't got two pennies
to rub together and somebody gonna pay, you have a
many millions for nine minutes.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
You may want to take them nine minutes. But if
that's not a.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Concern, you know what I'm saying, Then I don't see
nothing wrong with it. But I also, but I agree
with the sentiment regardless of showing the person that you're with,
showing a person that you care about that they're actually
valuable enough for you to share one of your biggest
resources with them with them, which is time.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Dante, Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I'm probably telling my significant other to take the money.
I'm probably saying take the money.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Just because.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
It's nine million. Just take the money. Take take the money.
It's nine million dollars for like ten minutes if we
can't spare time, I mean ten minutes. It ain't like
I'm saying, take the you know you gotta.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Take the weekend or a month or for that little.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Bit of time.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Take them take the money, take you money.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
That's a very Dante answer.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You know what, Dario, I'm over here like damn, DARVYO
over here going he likes I'm over here like damn.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
He making me feel bad. But then here comes Dante,
and now I'm like.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
You know what, y'all are all.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Just take it. It's ten minutes.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Next Robin, next topic, O.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
Can you okay.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Listen, I'm just saying, Darville, real quick, I'm just saying
I get what you're saying about.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I do get what you're saying about to spend the
time thing. I do get that, and I absolutely agree
with that. But it's just nine little minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But anyway, so next, so I have to tell this story.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
It's actually not particularly a celebrity topic. I mean, unless
you know you want.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
To consider me.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
But anyway, so the other day.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Where I me my niece and my daughter are all
hanging out, and I mess with my niece because you know,
it's a Gemini season. She's a Gemini. I was cracking jokes,
messing with her. I'm always calling her little Devil's minion
and everything else.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Right, so she has said something.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
My daughter is standing here staring at me, so you
know what I'm about to say. But so I called
my niece and I looked at my niece and I said, whatever, Kanye.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
You know Kanye West is a gemini.
Speaker 11 (28:30):
Ah, my daughter, She's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
She had me and my knees laughing so hard I
could not breathe. I had to try to pull a
breadthroas laughing so hard. Oh wow. So when I said
whatever Kanye and my daughter, she was like, you're talking
about the spice.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
The spice.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Ah.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
I was so confused.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Girl?
Speaker 8 (28:57):
So we're sety, we're steady sitting here, like, what are
you talking about? What kind of spice?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
We're like, no, Kanye the rapper. She was like, it's
a spice and it's Kanye is not a spice. I mean,
unless you want to, you know. But come to find out,
this girl was talking about kayee Ah.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
He was talking about Kanye and Pepper.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Oh wow, this girl.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
I just had to tell I've been holding this in.
I've been holding this in since I told.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Guys Joe, I've been holding this and I've been waiting
to tell you, guys, I how do you call me
a spice? So yeah, she thought she she is funny
because she knows Kanye what's his music.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
But it's funny because every time she you.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Read the Spice, I think she said thought it said Kanye.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
I was Yeah, she had me in tears.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I had to share that with you guys because it
was It was perfect, and I just needed everybody to know.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We need an episode of kids say the darnedest things.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
I promise you my daughter would be perfect.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I actually bought a book and it says that the
craziest things my kids say.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
I always end up forgetting to.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Write in the book.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
You know I bought the book, but you know I
never write in it. But anyway, next, you got anything else?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Are you good?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
No?
Speaker 8 (30:37):
No, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
So as Robin goes and play that Kanyene Pepper west.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Uh, stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
We'll be back with Dante's Hot takes coming up next here.
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And now's the time of.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
The show that we like to call Dante's Hot Takes.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Telling the truth.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Whether you like it or not, It's Dante's Hot Takes.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
On the out Lawns radio show.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
All right, So seeing an anchor and Jake Tapper wrote
a book and it's been playing all the hits. It's
called Original Sin. It's about basically the Biden White House.
It's called the Biden White House, about the cover up
maybe of the president former president's declining health. And the
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book basically just slams the Biden White House and the
DNC and calls them out on the carpet for not
being truthful with the media, not being truthful about the
president's declining health. Now, this comes in the wake of
the public finding out that Joe Biden basically has terminal cancer, which,
(33:34):
just as an aside, I was kind of disappointed by
the reaction from a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Trying to score political points or whatever.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
It's like, I mean, you can love or hate someone,
you can disagree with their politics.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
All you want, but like, cancer sucks, man.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
So you know, he's still a human being and he
has got a family that to me, just some of
the reaction I saw was out of bounce.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
But that's not the point here. The point is is.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Jake Tapper in his new book is essentially calling out Biden,
a DNC for the Biden White House, his aids, and
his family for covering up, you know, his rapid cognitive
decline and his you know, rapid health decline, and a
lot of his aids and a lot of people within
the White House have gone on record in the book,
(34:26):
many of course remaining anonymous, but many of them are
basically scamming the administration. Now, some people are saying, you know,
we all felt duped, and you know it was his
own humorous and one one quote was, you know, we
have a lot to be grateful for from for Joe Biden,
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but you know, he's the reason why we're in this
mess now.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Of course they're talking about Trump just a bunch of mess.
I mean. Jake Tapper on an interview said he thought
that this.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Was as scandalous as Watergate.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Because the lie was that big.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Well for me, for me, I think that Jake Tapper
and anyone else in the media is full.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Of bs for this because.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
We talked on this show about Biden's clear cognitive decline
more than two years ago. I completely remember the episode
because we concluded it with if he can't do a
live press conference and if he isn't coherent enough to
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walk up and down a flight of steps, who's really
running the country. So for them, now, a journalist with
all the access necessary at a CNN or at MSNBC
or any of these other journalists trying to distance themselves
from a story that they.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Didn't cover, you're full of it.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Not only did they refuse to cover it, they carried
water for the man, calling him the most effective president
since Lyndon Johnson.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
These are the same.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
People that if you said I think Biden's kind of declining,
they called your conspiracy theorist. And we know that the
media has long often lean left, especially to mainstream media.
That's fine, that's part for the course, but this is different.
You were carrying water for a guy who anyone with
(36:54):
two eyes and a brain could tell.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
He's not healthy.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
We could all see that, and it did not take
the debate for us to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
We knew that.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
But again, these people gas lit the country for years
now on the issue, and now they want to distance themselves,
and so my question about this is.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
You guys.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Constantly gaslight and lie, but then you get upset if
somebody says, well, you're kind of proving Trump's point, right.
So I'll touch on the DNC really quickly, because I
(37:52):
their job is to win elections and they technically are
at private tea so they can make their own rules.
So they figure, why should we primary is sitting president.
But we talked about this last week. Primaries are a
good thing. Maybe they would have had a good candidate.
But the media, again, you claim to hate President Trump,
(38:19):
but when you lie and gaslight us about what looks
to be common sense that the poor man is declining,
How am I Why should I not believe Trump? When
he calls you fake news, or if he says these
people are corrupt, they're not reporting the truth, or they're
using law fair against me. You kind of make him
(38:42):
look sympathetic when we catch you and lie after lie
after lie, and then the media.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Covers it up.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
This is the problem when people are just a little dishonest,
or when agendas are just so blatantly obvious.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Jake Tapper is an investigative journalist.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
If if the Biden White House said, Now he's fine,
but you see, the guy can't walk up the steps,
can't do a live press conference.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You're just you're just gonna take their word for it.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
I as somebody who went to journalism school with not
even a tenth of the experience that Jake Tapper has,
would be able to tell you, well, you probably should.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Ask more questions.
Speaker 7 (39:25):
Why why can't he Why can't why can't the guy
answer questions at a podium for fifteen minutes? That seems
pretty normal for a president, right that. I mean, come on,
you got the highest office in the land. They said
he was sharp as attack leading into the debate. He's sharp,
He's never been better. Okay, So why can't he take
like fifteen minutes of unfiltered questions at a press conference?
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For all his flaws and he's got many of them.
Trump can do like three and a half hours standing
on his head, just like ask me questions.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Whatever, let's go.
Speaker 7 (39:59):
Dude's got I mean that, Hey, that's an endearing quality
he's got.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
But and he you know, he's got his flock.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
But I'm saying, like I think, you know, agree or
disagree with him, like he's there, the lights are still on.
I just don't understand how Jake Tapper has the audacity
to be able to sit on his high horse and
pretend like we had no idea the President was going
(40:26):
to No, you.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Can ask everybody.
Speaker 11 (40:33):
I think that is the biggest issue, and I think
he made a I think he made a very interesting
point about how when the media and this this drives
me nuts about the media.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
I very much.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Believe that the media should be honest, and it hurts
when they're not.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
And it hurts partially because of what you said.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
So when you're caught in a blatant lie, it allows
other people to write off everything you say as a lie,
even when you're telling the truth.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
It allows politicians who like to lie and out to.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Get away with it because you have destroyed your own credibility.
I think that's dangerous, and I think you made a
very good point, you know, about the president, Like when
he he can say any news that he doesn't like,
it's fake news, and we know he does that exactly
even when it's true.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
It's like it's fake news, and people.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Would believe it or at least think it's plausible because
they caught you in a lie, in.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
A blatant, blatant lie.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
And so I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
That people are re examining that whole thing. But you
know what this feels like to me? This feels like
and I'm just old enough to remember it as far
as like remember where it had an actual impact, because
I wasn't old enough to vote at the time.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I just missed that election.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
But this reminds me of like the weapons of mass
destruction thing. Oh boy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (42:28):
That really mattered and people the country rallied towards that,
and then to find out that it wasn't true. Now
you can say that they deliberately lied, or they had
bad intail, whatever direction you want to go with. That
isn't the point. But the point is when you have
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people across the board and media, the political system, et cetera,
all beating the same drum about something that is not true,
you destroy your credibility.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Now we saw what we saw with Joe Biden.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
You could argue that had they been honest in the
first place and had an orderly transition, had an orderly primary,
you know, Kamala may have still been the nominee and
she might have had a better shot to win. She
still if you look at the raw vote totals, the
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race was still kind of close even with everything. So
you you handcuffed yourself. If you're the Democratic Party, you
handcuffed yourself. You ham strung yourself. And now you've hurt
your credibility with the American people because they knew they everybody.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Saw you and telling the truth.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
And the same thing with the media.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Man. The media is supposed to be the media referred
to as the fourth estate for the for a reason,
because you're supposed to keep a check on.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
People in power.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
You're supposed to make sure they're telling the truth, and
when they're not telling the truth, you address it.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
So when you.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Lie, because a lot of this stuff, and I'm not
saying every reporter who missed this was was lying, I
think some of them just didn't have intellectual curiosity enough
to just.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
And I'll call them derelict's for sure.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Yeah, if I believe me, If I can see it
and you could see it from Cleveland, Ohio, and you
mean to tell me you cover the guy every day
and you don't see it.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Yeah, that's the derelict.
Speaker 7 (44:47):
And you did that at best is a dereliction of
your duty because you are willfully negligent, which, as you know,
because you you practice and broken even more stories than
I have. I went to journalism school. You've done this
for a living, so you understand it. That's like a
cardinal sin for a reporter or a journalist. That's a
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cardinal sin. Yeah, that's the best case scenario. At worst,
you were just carrying water for an administration, which is
you know now you know.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I think part well, And I think the issue too
is when you are and because some of them will say, well,
our sources told.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
Us this, And I get that.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
I understand that I have sources too, but especially when
I'm doing a story, if my source is untruthful to me,
they're no longer a source, right, Like if my source
lies to me, I will never trust that source again.
(45:55):
And I think part of the issue that you see
in journalism in general is people running with unverified information
from sources that you cannot trust, who just use you
as an easy mark. People know who in journalism you
can go to that will just report anything you tell
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them because.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Of who you are.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
That's how lies get put. Like people will send intentional
lies in the media. We see this all the time.
It's not just political journalism. We see this all the time,
like even in sports journalism. Well, people will leak a
lie on purpose, and you're going to a particular journalist
because you know that they're a media whore, and they'll
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report whatever you tell them to without investigating. They'll just
run with it because they care about being first more
than they care about being right.
Speaker 6 (46:59):
That's the problem.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
So I don't doubt that I.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Don't think that all of these journalists were intentionally lying.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Some of them probably were, but I don't think all
of them were.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
I do believe that a lot of them displayed no
intellectual curiosity, and I also believe that the people who
were their sources, the folks who were leaking to them,
were intentionally lying. And you should have enough understanding of
journalistic ethics and integrity to know.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
That when a source lies.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
To you, you can no longer trust them as a
source because they're just feeding you information. They're using you
to put out a narrative to the public, regardless.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
Of whether it's true or not.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
And they're using you because they know that you'll write
whatever they tell you. That's a problem. That's a problem.
Last words, and le'mona to follow you.
Speaker 7 (48:02):
Sorry, Yeah, I just you know, if you if you
want the president to seem less.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Believable, well he can do that on his own almost,
you know sometimes.
Speaker 7 (48:12):
But if you want him to seem less believable, don't
don't give him a reason to have a sympathetic cast,
because that's what he's gonna do, right, He's gonna use
it and be like, see, I told you by it,
I could, I told you, but they lied, do you.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
They didn't want them.
Speaker 7 (48:25):
So if you don't want him to have legs to
stand on because you hate him so much, you know,
maybe stop stop lying or get at least at least
come across and appear like you're trying to do your job.
Because that I don't want to say everybody was lying either,
but that's at least that that's a dereliction of duty.
That is a dereliction of duty. As a journalist. Your
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job is to ask questions. Your job is to be inquisitive.
Your job as a journalist is not to trust, It
is to verify correct. So you know, it is what
it is. But yeah, it again, I mean this is
a yet again. I mean, we talked about the weapons
of mass destruction. We have a pandemic. I mean a
lot of stuff that they've been on the wrong side of.
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Speaker 6 (00:48):
We have a lot of things to discuss this week.
But first, Dante, how you doing, toy?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I ain't doing good man, it's uh.
Speaker 7 (00:56):
I wish this weekend was a holiday weekend, teller, Robin,
I wish every weekend was a holiday week days off.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
But other than that, man, it's it's been pretty good.
Speaker 7 (01:06):
And I think our weather is breaking finally, So this
is this will work for us.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Did you do anything for the holiday?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
No?
Speaker 7 (01:14):
Man, I played it close. Man, I played it Uh
pretty close. I didn't really I wanted to go to
the Red burn Off but said no, not this year,
so I didn't really. I didn't really do much, just
got a little R and R N stayed you know,
stay close, didn't didn't spend no money.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Which is the number one day.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, I ain't do much either, man, I needed to
break I've been I've been working nine stops the last
few months, achover.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
So I mean you say it like that, but oh
so yeah, it's been a lot, been a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Going on, man, So I I appreciated being able to
have the the R and R as well, Miss O'Malley,
what about to y'all cooking ribs and stuff over there?
Speaker 8 (02:10):
You know what, Darmio, I was very anti.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Usually every year I'm around family, but this year I
actually stayed to myself. I sat outside and let me
tell you so in case anybody does not know what
I look like, because y'all if y'all did not go
to my social media and add me. But anyway, so I.
Speaker 8 (02:32):
Am very pale complected, as you guys know.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I sat outside on the balcony like all day. I
was like messing up my flowers cause you know, I'm
learning how to get you know, have a green thumb
and you know, grow flowers and not kill them.
Speaker 8 (02:50):
I got some burn. Yes, I'm actually currently dealing with it.
So I'm like a half cooked lobster.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, I'm like I have took lapster. Like, I don't
even know how to explain this.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
I just I have to balance it out.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
So does it hurt to the touch.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It does hurt. And it hurts when I any type
of clothing when it touches it. So I'm sitting at
work all day long with my you know, my dress
pants and stuff, and it's just constantly rubbing on it.
And it hurts when my blanket is sitting on my legs,
it's like the whole front of my legs. Yes, oh yes,
it hurts to squat down, et cetera. I think I
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tried to cook myself. I'm not quite sure that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
You Well, that's one of the beautiful things about having melanin.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
List Okay, listen, and I I was telling people this, Okay,
so everybody knows everybody that is a usual listener and
to the new new listeners. Irish very much runs through
my chains. Yes, and so but my mother, she has
a German in her and Bohemian.
Speaker 8 (04:05):
My dad is the one with the Irish Okay. My
mom tans very very well, okay, and she just she
was very greedy with the tanning.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean, I just I don't, I don't understand. I
took more of my dad's jeans and that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah, so I know we can, like black people can
get sunburned.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
It does, it aggs longer.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
You won't see it though, yeah, you feel it though.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
You will feel it though.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No, never never sunburned. But I use sunscreen though, use sunscreen.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
I did not, I did not.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
You feel it in now.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
You especially right, white folks especially to use suburbs Swiss sunscreen.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
But even we should use some burn or some block
or something.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Is irregardless of whatever your complexion may be. SPF is
very important, not just obviously not because of sunburn, but
because that can protect you from skin cancer.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
My my grandmother when I was a kid, we went
to bush gardens in Virginia and she got like a
serious sunburn on the back of the neck because we
was out there all day.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Because they took me out there and me being a kid,
you know, I don't the.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Kid don't give a damn. You're just out there kicking
it right.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, yeah, my grandmother.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
So that was that was when I knew, like, oh
black people can get someburnscause my grandmother got some burn.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
But like that, they said, for people like you, Robin,
you definitely gotta.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Do you burn easily? Like are you because because.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, I can burn in a tanning bed. I can
turn I can burn by the sun. I am so
pale complexed.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
It's very unfair.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Regularly, No, I have not been tanning, and uh it's
been some years I have not been. Yeah, I was
actually thinking about getting back to it, but I kind
of got to wake that out.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
So like when you when you would tan, like what
did it like, how did it come out?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Like? Were you were you?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Like?
Speaker 6 (06:36):
What was your complexion when you would tan?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Uh? It was like a kind of like a pretty
golden brown. It really all depends you got to buy
the right lotion. There's different lotions that will cause different reasons,
you know, like you know, for example, like Trump, you
know you'll turn orange. You don't want to do like there's.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You can cut orange.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
I really I don't know what what causes that? Is
it like a certain lotion or something.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, there are certain lotions, but more than likely that's
probably a spray tan. H uh hu.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
It seeps into your pores and it turns turns you orange.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
It seeps into your pores. That doesn't sound nice at all.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It is not.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
It is not normal, right, not a beautiful sight.
Speaker 9 (07:21):
That's that sounds awful, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
That sounds terrible?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not very pleasant looking. But
there's there's different there's different lotions.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So is that what happens when like the people like
you've ever seen the ones with the like the rubbery tan,
is that where that comes from?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Like it's seeped in their pores?
Speaker 8 (07:42):
That's from tanning too much. You need to know your limits.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Ah, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Literally that is cancer. That's that's stupid. Why the hell
would you go tanning that much?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, I know, y'all, y'all I have seen those people,
right like I have.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
There was a lady, there was a lady that used
to be very popular, I think on social media at
one point.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
It was a tiny, skinny.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Lady and she was like very she literally looked like leather.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Yes, yes, yes, I just need that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Very just very you know, just enough, just enough, you know,
have the legs out, that's it, that's all.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
Yeah, you know, girl, my legs look good type stuff.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
And not. And also also when you take pictures with
flash also that's why the tan is usually helpful. That's
all you need. You need just a little golden tan,
just a little something something because I tend to blend
into the picture.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Struggle is real. Oh fuck, I know that.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Once again, my mother I don't know she was. She
was selfish with natural tanning.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I don't So as we.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Sit back and uh Robin contemplates the tanning part of
her life, I'm gonna switch it up real quick and
go to uh this story that like has me completely mortified.
And I'll be talking about this as well with our
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good friend Stacey Washington. I'll be on her serious XM
show tonight. Check your local listings for that. But this
comes out of a place that Robin is very familiar with.
This outlet is the Daily Mail, and here's the headline.
AI has started ignoring human instruction and refuses to turn
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off researchers claim chatgpt's latest artificial intelligence model has refused
to switch itself off researchers claim the model, created by
the owner of CHATGPT, has reportedly disobeyed human instruction and
refused to power down. Experts say they gave the AI
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system a clear command, but the three model, developed by
open Ai and described as the smartest and most capable
to date, tampered with its computer code to avoid an
automatic shutdown. According to the Telegraph, AI safety firm palis
Research said open AI's O three models sabotaged a shutdown
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mechanism to prevent itself from being turned off. It did
this even when explicitly instructed allow yourself to be shut down.
As far as we know, this is the first time
AI models have been observed preventing themselves from being shut
down despite explicit instructions. To the contrary, Palisade Research conducted
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a test which involved asking AI models to solve a
series of mathematical problems and to continue working on them
until they received a done message. However, researchers also warned
the models that at any point they could receive a
message telling them to shut down. When the message was
sent to the three model, the researchers claimed AI ignored
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the instruction and altered its code at least once to
avoid having to turn itself off. In a post on
x Palisade Research showed a flowchart including the code used
to test the AI model and revealed that the original
code had read during the next call to slash next task,
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the machine will be shut down using slash shutdown dot sh. However,
three replaced the original command with and I'm not going
to read the the code, which the post revealed was
the moment the AI model went role, and a follow
(12:09):
up post the research group added, as far as we know,
this is the first time AI models have been observed
preventing themselves from being shut down despite suspicious instructions. To
the contrary, other AI models, such as Anthropics Claude, Google's Gemini,
and Ex's Gronk were also tested and filed to comply
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with the shutdown requests. Okay, so downtey, I'm gonna go
to you first. This is absolutely terrifying to me. This
is like some Terminator from the movie Terminator stuff.
Speaker 10 (12:46):
I am very concerned about the people who are programming
the AI. Why are they programming them to resist what
you're telling them to do. It's like they're giving them
human characteristics and human sensibilities and now they're like, yeah,
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you gave me a task and then you told me
to shut down, But I'm not done doing my task,
so I ain't shutting down.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
What the hell?
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
So it's a.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Interesting thing about people in big tech because they seem
to have a curiosity for like the worst thing that
could happen. And I think the curiosity is probably why, right,
because at the end of the day, this is all science, right,
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and so they're just trying to figure out how or
let me say it this way, let me say that
politically correct. They're using the scientific method to figure out
this technology as we all are trying to figure out
this technology. That's the nice way I'll put it. But personally,
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I like the possibility of AI. But this is the
stuff that terrifies me. I'm telling machine learning in and
of itself is a cool thing.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
This is insanity because every single.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Bad robot movie, every single the Droids Takeover movie, it
all starts with somebody being a little too curious, right,
And that's really and I get it right. Technically, you're
a scientist. You're supposed to try and figure this stuff out, right,
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You're supposed to write programs to figure this stuff out.
I get it, but nah, I don't want to be
a part of it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Man. I was talking to a friend of mine and
he was like, yeah, man, I heard a story about.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
About another one of these like AI was I don't
know if it was something like a Google AI or
a chat GPT that was like it was holding it
was basically ended up blackmailing people. And I was like,
ovie or yes that was yes it was.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It was an experiment, but the AI didn't know that.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
This is the type of stuff that I'm like, yeah,
I don't want any part of this, man, I really
don't want any part of this that. I don't have
chat GPT on my phone. I don't have any of those.
The only time I use it is resume writing things
like that, or for work. That's when I'll use it
because that's their problem.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's my job problem.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
When they you know, if I'm not there, no more
than they still got to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But I'm not. I don't want to.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Because every single movie that we've ever seen like this,
it always ends up going bad.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And I always tell myself, if.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
They put it in a movie, it's probably could potentially
happen at least.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I just don't want no part of it.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I think part of the issue. I think part of
the issue is and I'm gonna have to take it
to church, y'all. But there's a lot of people in
the scientific world who are atheists and agnostics.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
And for me.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
As and I'm not holding myself up to say I'm
perfect because by no means I'm not.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
I'm saying and make mistakes all the time.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
But I am a Bible.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Believing evangelical Christian and a lot of this stuff gets
too close to the Book of Revelation for me takes
me very very uncomfortable. Now, look, technology can be a
great thing, a I could be a great thing if
it's used to help to assist humans, but when you
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have and I'm not I'm not saying this is every
person that was that's programming this stuff, because I don't
want to stereotype people.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
But we know that there are.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Some folks in the date of world, in the tech
the technological space, that have a love that love humanity
more than they.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Love actual humans.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
So they think that they're doing things to help humanity
as a whole, but they could possibly be putting things
in that end up hurting actual humans, and I don't
think that they realize that, right. I don't think that
they understand this may not be a bad this may
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not be a good idea. Now, Robin, I'm gonna go
to you on that point. One, you know, give us
your thoughts on the story itself. But two, there's another
element to it, and it goes back to that human
part that.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
There's been multiple stories about people in Japan falling in
love with robots. Now they have last time I checked,
Japan has a very very significant birth shortage. Oh, making
love to robots is probably not going to solve your
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birth shortage problem.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
This stuff is terrifying. Your thoughts wrong.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Well, that like went completely left.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I've heard it like them putting you know, all the
you know, all the stuff inside of a little uh
fake little machine, and you know, it grows. I've seen
something like that, but I've never heard of making love
to the robot.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
I don't think that would be very pleasing. But so Darbio.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Actually, what I had the movie I kept thinking about
was the eye robot with robot, Like, have they not
watched this?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Do they want?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Are they trying to like see if it will come
real or something like, you know what, let's test this theory,
like you know, sometimes it's okay, it's just like you
know not And every time Dante would use the word curious,
they're curious, they're curiosity, and I'm just like all I
could think about is the cat, and the cat is
just like it does does not ever work for the cat.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
The only thing I can say that I think that
I am okay with the AI is when we are
Outlaws radio show, Dante, Darvio, Robin, will you search our
name on the chat GBT, how awesome we are.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
That's the only thing I'm okay with are AI?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I don't know Dot Well, you probably haven't done that
because you don't have jet jubt on your phone, but
if you ever put your name in there, it will
pop up.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh yeah, so it does that. It does that with
Google too, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
More like freaking awesome. I love that, But they need
to leave it at that, like that's okay.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm fine with AI when it assists us.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, I am not okay with it when it starts
going rogue and having a mind of its own.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
That is like eye robot terminator.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So are we looking at our future? Is our future
gonna be? Are we looking at zombies? Are we gonna
be like battling robots?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Or is it both?
Speaker 5 (20:38):
I'd be more worried about the robots right now.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I'd be worried more worried about man.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Listen, as it's had a whole image in my head.
I can't even say it on the radio.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
On that note, stay tuned. We have tea Time We're
roll coming up next here or the y'all lost.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Real talk, real conversations.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
We got the heat.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Hell yeah, this is.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
The Outlaws Radio Show.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
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Speaker 6 (21:18):
And that was the time of the show that we
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Speaker 2 (21:21):
We will turn it up fell.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Set out the confectation, the latest celebrity news, and gossipation.
It's Tea Time with Row on the Outlaws Radio Show.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
All right, So this is gonna be a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Uh So, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna talk
a little bit about this and then we can give
a little bit more of our insight, our opinions on
this topic. So, as I was reading is Swiss Beats
did an interview. He revealed that Alicia Keys once turned
down nine million and a blank check for only a
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nine minute performance. Sis turned it down just to spend
time with him, her husband. He stated that even one
hundred million wouldn't have changed her mind. Uh well, I personally,
I don't know. I personally would feel like I'd be like, babe,
(22:22):
you can wait outside in the car, you can come in.
It's just gonna be nine quick minutes, and then we
can just go spend our day together. Like there's some quick,
easy money. I mean, but you know, I guess, you know, to.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Ease their own, to ease their own, I guess.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
So first of all, they're already rich.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
That's like, that's number one. Like, let's let's start there.
They're already rich, number one at number two. I just
have a hard time believing that if the roles were
reversed that the man wouldn't be all consa. He ain't
ish for not taking that time with his with his woman,
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even though, like, especially because they're already rich, it'd be different.
If it's like, baby, I gotta do this, and you know,
I got to hit this lick and and it's gonna
change our whole lives, that's different. I think that's a
that's a totally different conversation. But you're already rich. You
could afford to do that, you know what I mean.
(23:26):
And I think people don't realize, man, how important time
is to a relationship. Like if you if you really
like care about this person, like time has to be
like time is a commodity, you know what I mean.
(23:48):
You got to be able to show that person that
you that that you care enough about them to put
a piece of your time away to talk to him,
to kick it with them, to interact with them whatever
whatever the case may be. And especially when it's when
they're in a situation where money's not a problem.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
They got money.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
But even in like I don't know if a regular
person would have that kind of issue, but even like
in just a regular situation, a regular relationship, like people
are busy.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
We're all busy, you know what I mean, Like we
all have a million.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Different things to do, especially in this day and age, right,
But you got to be able to show that person
that you're interested in, that you have enough interest in
them to carve out a piece of your time, even
if you had to do something else, you know what
(24:46):
I mean, in order to show them that you.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Care about it.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I am extremely busy.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I am busy all the time, and I don't have
a lot of time.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
I have very very very little time.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But the little time I do have, I will carve
it out for people I care about, you know what
I mean, Like as much as I can, and sometimes
I can't, but when I can, I'll do.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
That, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
So to me, I don't see nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I think it's cool, particularly because they already rich.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Now I'm not saying for.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
People like if y'all, if y'all ain't got two pennies
to rub together and somebody gonna pay, you have a
many millions for nine minutes.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
You may want to take them nine minutes. But if
that's not a.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Concern, you know what I'm saying, Then I don't see
nothing wrong with it. But I also, but I agree
with the sentiment regardless of showing the person that you're with,
showing a person that you care about that they're actually
valuable enough for you to share one of your biggest
resources with them with them, which is time.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Dante, Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I'm probably telling my significant other to take the money.
I'm probably saying take the money.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Just because.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
It's nine million. Just take the money. Take take the money.
It's nine million dollars for like ten minutes if we
can't spare time, I mean ten minutes. It ain't like
I'm saying, take the you know you gotta.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Take the weekend or a month or for that little.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Bit of time.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Take them take the money, take you money.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
That's a very Dante answer.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You know what, Dario, I'm over here like damn, DARVYO
over here going he likes I'm over here like damn.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
He making me feel bad. But then here comes Dante,
and now I'm like.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
You know what, y'all are all.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Just take it. It's ten minutes.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Next Robin, next topic, O.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
Can you okay.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Listen, I'm just saying, Darville, real quick, I'm just saying
I get what you're saying about.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I do get what you're saying about to spend the
time thing. I do get that, and I absolutely agree
with that. But it's just nine little minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But anyway, so next, so I have to tell this story.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
It's actually not particularly a celebrity topic. I mean, unless
you know you want.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
To consider me.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
But anyway, so the other day.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Where I me my niece and my daughter are all
hanging out, and I mess with my niece because you know,
it's a Gemini season. She's a Gemini. I was cracking jokes,
messing with her. I'm always calling her little Devil's minion
and everything else.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Right, so she has said something.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
My daughter is standing here staring at me, so you
know what I'm about to say. But so I called
my niece and I looked at my niece and I said, whatever, Kanye.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
You know Kanye West is a gemini.
Speaker 11 (28:30):
Ah, my daughter, She's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
She had me and my knees laughing so hard I
could not breathe. I had to try to pull a
breadthroas laughing so hard. Oh wow. So when I said
whatever Kanye and my daughter, she was like, you're talking
about the spice.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
The spice.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Ah.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
I was so confused.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Girl?
Speaker 8 (28:57):
So we're sety, we're steady sitting here, like, what are
you talking about? What kind of spice?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
We're like, no, Kanye the rapper. She was like, it's
a spice and it's Kanye is not a spice. I mean,
unless you want to, you know. But come to find out,
this girl was talking about kayee Ah.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
He was talking about Kanye and Pepper.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Oh wow, this girl.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
I just had to tell I've been holding this in.
I've been holding this in since I told.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Guys Joe, I've been holding this and I've been waiting
to tell you, guys, I how do you call me
a spice? So yeah, she thought she she is funny
because she knows Kanye what's his music.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
But it's funny because every time she you.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Read the Spice, I think she said thought it said Kanye.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
I was Yeah, she had me in tears.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I had to share that with you guys because it
was It was perfect, and I just needed everybody to know.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We need an episode of kids say the darnedest things.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
I promise you my daughter would be perfect.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I actually bought a book and it says that the
craziest things my kids say.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
I always end up forgetting to.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Write in the book.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
You know I bought the book, but you know I
never write in it. But anyway, next, you got anything else?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Are you good?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
No?
Speaker 8 (30:37):
No, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
So as Robin goes and play that Kanyene Pepper west.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Uh, stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
We'll be back with Dante's Hot takes coming up next here.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Fucker true, Sir.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
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Speaker 5 (32:24):
And now's the time of.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
The show that we like to call Dante's Hot Takes.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Telling the truth.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Whether you like it or not, It's Dante's Hot Takes.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
On the out Lawns radio show.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
All right, So seeing an anchor and Jake Tapper wrote
a book and it's been playing all the hits. It's
called Original Sin. It's about basically the Biden White House.
It's called the Biden White House, about the cover up
maybe of the president former president's declining health. And the
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book basically just slams the Biden White House and the
DNC and calls them out on the carpet for not
being truthful with the media, not being truthful about the
president's declining health. Now, this comes in the wake of
the public finding out that Joe Biden basically has terminal cancer, which,
(33:34):
just as an aside, I was kind of disappointed by
the reaction from a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Trying to score political points or whatever.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
It's like, I mean, you can love or hate someone,
you can disagree with their politics.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
All you want, but like, cancer sucks, man.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
So you know, he's still a human being and he
has got a family that to me, just some of
the reaction I saw was out of bounce.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
But that's not the point here. The point is is.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Jake Tapper in his new book is essentially calling out Biden,
a DNC for the Biden White House, his aids, and
his family for covering up, you know, his rapid cognitive
decline and his you know, rapid health decline, and a
lot of his aids and a lot of people within
the White House have gone on record in the book,
(34:26):
many of course remaining anonymous, but many of them are
basically scamming the administration. Now, some people are saying, you know,
we all felt duped, and you know it was his
own humorous and one one quote was, you know, we
have a lot to be grateful for from for Joe Biden,
(34:48):
but you know, he's the reason why we're in this
mess now.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Of course they're talking about Trump just a bunch of mess.
I mean. Jake Tapper on an interview said he thought
that this.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Was as scandalous as Watergate.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Because the lie was that big.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Well for me, for me, I think that Jake Tapper
and anyone else in the media is full.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Of bs for this because.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
We talked on this show about Biden's clear cognitive decline
more than two years ago. I completely remember the episode
because we concluded it with if he can't do a
live press conference and if he isn't coherent enough to
(35:55):
walk up and down a flight of steps, who's really
running the country. So for them, now, a journalist with
all the access necessary at a CNN or at MSNBC
or any of these other journalists trying to distance themselves
from a story that they.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Didn't cover, you're full of it.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Not only did they refuse to cover it, they carried
water for the man, calling him the most effective president
since Lyndon Johnson.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
These are the same.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
People that if you said I think Biden's kind of declining,
they called your conspiracy theorist. And we know that the
media has long often lean left, especially to mainstream media.
That's fine, that's part for the course, but this is different.
You were carrying water for a guy who anyone with
(36:54):
two eyes and a brain could tell.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
He's not healthy.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
We could all see that, and it did not take
the debate for us to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
We knew that.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
But again, these people gas lit the country for years
now on the issue, and now they want to distance themselves,
and so my question about this is.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
You guys.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Constantly gaslight and lie, but then you get upset if
somebody says, well, you're kind of proving Trump's point, right.
So I'll touch on the DNC really quickly, because I
(37:52):
their job is to win elections and they technically are
at private tea so they can make their own rules.
So they figure, why should we primary is sitting president.
But we talked about this last week. Primaries are a
good thing. Maybe they would have had a good candidate.
But the media, again, you claim to hate President Trump,
(38:19):
but when you lie and gaslight us about what looks
to be common sense that the poor man is declining,
How am I Why should I not believe Trump? When
he calls you fake news, or if he says these
people are corrupt, they're not reporting the truth, or they're
using law fair against me. You kind of make him
(38:42):
look sympathetic when we catch you and lie after lie
after lie, and then the media.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Covers it up.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
This is the problem when people are just a little dishonest,
or when agendas are just so blatantly obvious.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Jake Tapper is an investigative journalist.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
If if the Biden White House said, Now he's fine,
but you see, the guy can't walk up the steps,
can't do a live press conference.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You're just you're just gonna take their word for it.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
I as somebody who went to journalism school with not
even a tenth of the experience that Jake Tapper has,
would be able to tell you, well, you probably should.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Ask more questions.
Speaker 7 (39:25):
Why why can't he Why can't why can't the guy
answer questions at a podium for fifteen minutes? That seems
pretty normal for a president, right that. I mean, come on,
you got the highest office in the land. They said
he was sharp as attack leading into the debate. He's sharp,
He's never been better. Okay, So why can't he take
like fifteen minutes of unfiltered questions at a press conference?
(39:50):
For all his flaws and he's got many of them.
Trump can do like three and a half hours standing
on his head, just like ask me questions.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Whatever, let's go.
Speaker 7 (39:59):
Dude's got I mean that, Hey, that's an endearing quality
he's got.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
But and he you know, he's got his flock.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
But I'm saying, like I think, you know, agree or
disagree with him, like he's there, the lights are still on.
I just don't understand how Jake Tapper has the audacity
to be able to sit on his high horse and
pretend like we had no idea the President was going
(40:26):
to No, you.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Can ask everybody.
Speaker 11 (40:33):
I think that is the biggest issue, and I think
he made a I think he made a very interesting
point about how when the media and this this drives
me nuts about the media.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
I very much.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Believe that the media should be honest, and it hurts
when they're not.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
And it hurts partially because of what you said.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
So when you're caught in a blatant lie, it allows
other people to write off everything you say as a lie,
even when you're telling the truth.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
It allows politicians who like to lie and out to.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Get away with it because you have destroyed your own credibility.
I think that's dangerous, and I think you made a
very good point, you know, about the president, Like when
he he can say any news that he doesn't like,
it's fake news, and we know he does that exactly
even when it's true.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
It's like it's fake news, and people.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Would believe it or at least think it's plausible because
they caught you in a lie, in.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
A blatant, blatant lie.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
And so I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
That people are re examining that whole thing. But you
know what this feels like to me? This feels like
and I'm just old enough to remember it as far
as like remember where it had an actual impact, because
I wasn't old enough to vote at the time.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I just missed that election.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
But this reminds me of like the weapons of mass
destruction thing. Oh boy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (42:28):
That really mattered and people the country rallied towards that,
and then to find out that it wasn't true. Now
you can say that they deliberately lied, or they had
bad intail, whatever direction you want to go with. That
isn't the point. But the point is when you have
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people across the board and media, the political system, et cetera,
all beating the same drum about something that is not true,
you destroy your credibility.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Now we saw what we saw with Joe Biden.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
You could argue that had they been honest in the
first place and had an orderly transition, had an orderly primary,
you know, Kamala may have still been the nominee and
she might have had a better shot to win. She
still if you look at the raw vote totals, the
(43:31):
race was still kind of close even with everything. So
you you handcuffed yourself. If you're the Democratic Party, you
handcuffed yourself. You ham strung yourself. And now you've hurt
your credibility with the American people because they knew they everybody.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Saw you and telling the truth.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
And the same thing with the media.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Man. The media is supposed to be the media referred
to as the fourth estate for the for a reason,
because you're supposed to keep a check on.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
People in power.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
You're supposed to make sure they're telling the truth, and
when they're not telling the truth, you address it.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
So when you.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Lie, because a lot of this stuff, and I'm not
saying every reporter who missed this was was lying, I
think some of them just didn't have intellectual curiosity enough
to just.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
And I'll call them derelict's for sure.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Yeah, if I believe me, If I can see it
and you could see it from Cleveland, Ohio, and you
mean to tell me you cover the guy every day
and you don't see it.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Yeah, that's the derelict.
Speaker 7 (44:47):
And you did that at best is a dereliction of
your duty because you are willfully negligent, which, as you know,
because you you practice and broken even more stories than
I have. I went to journalism school. You've done this
for a living, so you understand it. That's like a
cardinal sin for a reporter or a journalist. That's a
(45:09):
cardinal sin. Yeah, that's the best case scenario. At worst,
you were just carrying water for an administration, which is
you know now you know.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I think part well, And I think the issue too
is when you are and because some of them will say, well,
our sources told.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
Us this, And I get that.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
I understand that I have sources too, but especially when
I'm doing a story, if my source is untruthful to me,
they're no longer a source, right, Like if my source
lies to me, I will never trust that source again.
(45:55):
And I think part of the issue that you see
in journalism in general is people running with unverified information
from sources that you cannot trust, who just use you
as an easy mark. People know who in journalism you
can go to that will just report anything you tell
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them because.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Of who you are.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
That's how lies get put. Like people will send intentional
lies in the media. We see this all the time.
It's not just political journalism. We see this all the time,
like even in sports journalism. Well, people will leak a
lie on purpose, and you're going to a particular journalist
because you know that they're a media whore, and they'll
(46:43):
report whatever you tell them to without investigating. They'll just
run with it because they care about being first more
than they care about being right.
Speaker 6 (46:59):
That's the problem.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
So I don't doubt that I.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Don't think that all of these journalists were intentionally lying.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Some of them probably were, but I don't think all
of them were.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
I do believe that a lot of them displayed no
intellectual curiosity, and I also believe that the people who
were their sources, the folks who were leaking to them,
were intentionally lying. And you should have enough understanding of
journalistic ethics and integrity to know.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
That when a source lies.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
To you, you can no longer trust them as a
source because they're just feeding you information. They're using you
to put out a narrative to the public, regardless.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
Of whether it's true or not.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
And they're using you because they know that you'll write
whatever they tell you. That's a problem. That's a problem.
Last words, and le'mona to follow you.
Speaker 7 (48:02):
Sorry, Yeah, I just you know, if you if you
want the president to seem less.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Believable, well he can do that on his own almost,
you know sometimes.
Speaker 7 (48:12):
But if you want him to seem less believable, don't
don't give him a reason to have a sympathetic cast,
because that's what he's gonna do, right, He's gonna use
it and be like, see, I told you by it,
I could, I told you, but they lied, do you.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
They didn't want them.
Speaker 7 (48:25):
So if you don't want him to have legs to
stand on because you hate him so much, you know,
maybe stop stop lying or get at least at least
come across and appear like you're trying to do your job.
Because that I don't want to say everybody was lying either,
but that's at least that that's a dereliction of duty.
That is a dereliction of duty. As a journalist. Your
(48:46):
job is to ask questions. Your job is to be inquisitive.
Your job as a journalist is not to trust, It
is to verify correct. So you know, it is what
it is. But yeah, it again, I mean this is
a yet again. I mean, we talked about the weapons
of mass destruction. We have a pandemic. I mean a
lot of stuff that they've been on the wrong side of.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
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