Ep. 423 - Carol Roth on the rise of AI, the changing global financial order and more

Carol Roth joins the show to talk about the rise of AI, the changing global financial order, how our leaders are not prepared for it and more. 

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Speaker 2 (01:52):
So on that note, we have a very special interview
that we're gonna get to right now. We have a
very special guests on the show today. She is a
New York Times best selling author, the author of You
Will Own Nothing.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
My dear friend, Carol Roth, Welcome back. How are you doing.

Speaker 9 (02:14):
It's always a good day when I'm with you, my friends,
although once we get talking, I'm not sure how.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Good the day is going to be. But it's a
good start to the day with us together.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Absolutely absolutely. So here we go.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
There's a tweet that you made two days ago that
I bookmarked because I'm like, we definitely need to talk
about this. And one of the things I love about
your commentary is that you have a great way of
taking these big concepts and breaking it down for the
average person.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
And so we definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Got to tackle this because I want to make sure
that our listeners are aware. And also, by the way,
you are our first guests since we've been on the
radio on ninety five point nine FM in Cleveland.

Speaker 9 (03:06):
So ay, I love that, and congratulations, well deserved and
a long time coming to you.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
So for the tweet that you sent on June third,
it said, Americans are not prepared for a double super nova.
We are on the precipice of a reset of the
global financial order and we are on the cusp of
a possible tech upheaval via AI. Americans having to deal
with one of those is a once in a lifetime shock.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Both is unfathomable. Now that sounds terrifying. Number one. Number two,
break that down for me.

Speaker 9 (03:45):
All right, So just a little bit of street cred
that I actually know what I'm talking about, because there
are so many people floating in the media, not that
they would come on.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Your show, but in other places.

Speaker 9 (03:54):
I have been in finance in economic commentary around these
concepts for more than three decades, so you know, I
actually am coming from this from a general place of understanding,
and if you read You Will Own Nothing or my
other books, you can see me kind of laying out
the thesis that leads up to this. So basically, I've

(04:15):
been trying to come up with a name for this
very unusual and I put in the tweet once in
a lifetime event, but it's not even in a lifetime,
it's like once in an era events that now we
have potentially two to contend with. So the first is
the changing of the global financial order, and I think
that's the one that people maybe have a little bit

(04:35):
of a better understanding that we have been in the
United States at the center of the global financial economy
for around eighty years and that you know, we're getting
we're getting a little long in the tooth, and it
is not an unusual thing that the global financial order
shifts when the entity in.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
The center of it gets a little long in the tooth.
You and before us to the English, and before them
it was the Dutch. You go back to the Roman Empire.
It happened again.

Speaker 9 (05:06):
And it's always very self inflicted that you run up
a bunch of debt and you know, you start having
societal decay and then all of a sudden things fall apart.
So you know, we can see this in our own
fiscal foundation. Our debt to GDP is basically at the
level of an emerging market and crisis. We have not
had that full on crisis yet because we are still

(05:31):
the world's reserve and trading currency, but that is you know,
coming apart, which I'll talk about in a few moments.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
And so you know, we were.

Speaker 9 (05:42):
Running these deficits that are war level deficits. You're close
to seven percent of GDP, about double the historic average
when we have no war and no recession. And at
this point we're paying interest on our debt that exceeds
our defense spending, which isn't a great recipe for strength.
So you know, countries around the world who rely on

(06:05):
the US dollar for trading to get their commodities because
food and energy has been pricing dollars are saying this
is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
We need a way around this.

Speaker 9 (06:16):
And central banks around the world, for more than a
decade on net have not been buying treasuries. They've been
net selling treasuries, and instead of putting another currency into
their reserves, they've been putting gold, and they've been finding
ways to trade with each other where if there is
a balance of payments that that ends up being settled

(06:37):
in gold. So the idea that we have been at
the center of the global economy, that that has had
cheap financing for our government, that that has supported our
dollar and led to a certain standard of living for
the US that is changing. And as we're seeing from
what's going on in the in the broader scenario with Congress,

(07:02):
there's not a big appetite to make a big change there.
So we can kind of predictably see that we're going
to walk down this path where you know something is
going to happen, uh, probably with significant inflation attached to
it as the likely outcome. And I don't think Americans,
who you know, over the last four years under the

(07:25):
Biden administration, saw their their quality of earnings, you know,
their affordability be absolutely crushed, are prepared because that's child's
play compared to what could be coming down the line.
So that's just the first half of it. Any questions
before I keep rambling.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So that sounds like fun, There's there's more that I
want to get into, particularly concerning the debt because there's
there's a part of the situation that I believe you
and I kind of.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Have similar views on in terms of the trick bag
that we're kind.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Of in with this situation and what you have to
do to get out of it. But I'll go back
to that in a second. Let's tackle the aipiece of
it first.

Speaker 9 (08:19):
Okay, all right, So that's like a once in an
era events that we have this other once in an
era events which may or may not happen, but there's
certainly enough warnings to be concerned that it might. And
that is what AI is going to do with every
facet of our lives, whether that be economic, whether that

(08:41):
be social, whether that be defense and safety, and so
on and so forth. And you know, if you listen
to people who have been entrenched in these companies now granted,
their tech people, so they have high IQs, but not
necessarily high eques, and they don't see the full, you
know scenario. But even just the threat of whether it's

(09:06):
AI software hardware in the you know form of robots
taking a large swath of jobs at one point in
time is highly devastating. It's not something that people who
are alive today have ever been through, and certainly not
in the way where it's like, Okay, well there's a technology,

(09:27):
now I need to learn this new thing.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
You know.

Speaker 9 (09:29):
The one of the scenarios that's putting out put out there,
which is, you know, i'd say more of a possibility
than a probability, but that all of a sudden, you know,
it's going to be robots doing everything, and then what
is it that you're going to do if you know,
there's no option for you to be a productive member
of society, So that is really frightening, and all of

(09:54):
the potential losses of freedoms, you know, things that we
saw with COVID, you know, again looking potentially like child's
play versus Oh hey, you know, there are these crazy
drones that have weapons attached to them. We don't know
how to stop them, so we're going to need you
all to stay in your houses until we figure it out.
I mean, there's that aspect of it, you know, on

(10:17):
top of hey, my new best friend is an AI
chat bot. I'm dating a robot and everything that we
come to know as human beings, you know, really as
in potential to rapidly. I mean, this stuff is moving
rapidly rapidly, rapidly change in a way that people just

(10:37):
aren't prepared for. So that in and of itself again
is a just frightening situation. But imagine that at the
same time that the global financial order is changing, and
it's it's very hard to know exactly what to make
of it, other than to warn people that they are
not prepared and that they should be spend a lot

(11:00):
of time thinking about these things, and you know, pushing
you know, the politicians to be proactive, which never happens.
Americans are reactive, and so to do something ahead of time,
I think is critical because if this does happen, it's
going to be too late to address.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, so we're talking with Carol Roth, and that's one
of the things. When I saw that, I was like,
we definitely have to talk about that, because I'm certain
that there are many people in our audience listening to
this who they know about AI, they've heard about it,
but not there aren't being there aren't many conversations being

(11:42):
had about stuff like that because basically, to me, and
I said this on Stacey Washington's Serious Exim Show last week,
those two things combined, Like, as a Christian, I get
very uncomfortable because it sounds like some book of revelation
in Times in the Other.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
World type stuff. It's making me very uncomfortable. I'm very nervous.
So the AI thing.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I'm extremely concerned about that because to your point, I
don't think our politicians are paying attention to this at all.
They're most of them are one hundred and five years old,
so they don't even know what we're talking about.

Speaker 9 (12:28):
Nor are they equipped to be able to make, you know,
really great strategics correct.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
And this could be really devastating.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
And also too and I said this again last week,
if you're someone, if you're.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
A capitalist, I'm a capitalist. If you're a.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Capitalist and you are against things like, I don't know,
universal basic income stuff like that, the argument against that
gets a lot more difficult to make when you're dealing
with twenty or thirty or forty percent unemployment.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
So how do.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
We even how do we even get people prepared to
use the technology in a way that it helps humanity
and not make everybody poor?

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Is there a possibility that we could do it?

Speaker 9 (13:17):
Okay, So I'm just gonna say, like, I reserve the
right to change my mind in the future, because this
is very nascent, and I would love to say that
I have the ability to save the world from AI
right now to Arby, But I'm gonna be the real
realistic that we're just all kind of brainstorming and mapping
out different scenarios and so you know, we're gonna muddle
our way through it. But you know, the way I

(13:39):
look at it today is that there are possibilities, and
there are probabilities.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
And there's a time frame.

Speaker 9 (13:46):
And so the possibility, as I said, is you know,
all of a sudden, you end up.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
With twenty or thirty percent unemployment.

Speaker 9 (13:53):
You echoed that as well, you get you know, super intelligence,
the robots take over everything.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
You know that we have this you.

Speaker 9 (14:00):
Know, massive war with bad actors, you know, coming at
us from from all sides. I think that the probability
is more like displacement of in certain areas and you know,
not displacement.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
In other areas.

Speaker 9 (14:19):
And this is where I think the AI folks might
be missing something, because there is a human factor that
is involved in the acceptance. And certainly there are areas
like you know, if you're a therapist or you're a consultant,
or you're you know, even a coder, where you know,
you might be displaced in having to find something else

(14:42):
to do. But I also think there are areas where
people really want other people to do.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
The work and the validation for them.

Speaker 9 (14:50):
And the real world example I use right now are
robo advisors. So robo advisors are substitute for financial planners,
you know, the wealth managers, who you know, are very
hands on and very very much human, and because they
charge large fees and and you know, there's a sort
of a complexity that goes.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Along with that.

Speaker 9 (15:12):
The prediction was that financial services was going to be
completely disrupted. There's going to be no more wealth managers,
and everyone was just going to plug in, you know,
their hopes and dreams, you know, into a computer program
and they.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Were going to tell you what to invest in. And
that didn't happen. The numbers are anywhere.

Speaker 9 (15:28):
I've seen anywhere between one and five percent of people
use robo advisors.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
But financial management is thriving because it's a serious thing.

Speaker 9 (15:37):
People have questions, they want to make sure they're doing
it right, they want validation, they want someone to you know,
ask a question too.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
When the market goes sideways.

Speaker 9 (15:45):
And so that didn't happen, and I think that's probably
at least for a good period of time what happens
with AI that there are areas you know, yeah, maybe
a robot could come in and fix your toilet, but
I really want to rob hind her house fixing your
Would you rather have a plumber there who may be

(16:05):
used some AI to understand the problem, but you know,
is going to be there to make sure it's done
correctly and if something goes wrong, you're not trying to
get the robot back and all those kinds of things.
So I think there's probably going to be maybe even
a reset between white collar and blue collar and narrowing
of the gap because I think a lot of the

(16:26):
kind of knowledge workers, as I said, are the ones
who are going to be displaced.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
I think there's going to be a huge.

Speaker 9 (16:33):
Explosion in small business and entrepreneurship because if you're somebody
who's you know, more suited for managerial type of work,
you're probably going to gravitate towards entrepreneurship versus trying to
retrain yourself as an HVAC technician.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's just the reality.

Speaker 9 (16:52):
I mean, you might be able to make six figures
being a manager at Chick fil a but you know,
egos a hell of a thing, and I think that
there are a lot of who just won't do that unfortunately,
and so they're going to go. So I think that
if we were smart about this, we would say we
need to reduce barriers for entrepreneurship. We need to make

(17:12):
sure that we are investing in training and retraining and
to the extent that people are displaced, that they have
good training to get more jobs. And I think that
we need to be very focused as the AI lobby
heats up and make sure that their concerns are being
taken care of, because again, they are going to be

(17:34):
competing against bad actors around the world, and we want
to be in the driver's seat here that we also
are protecting individual rights and individual freedoms at the same time.
And so those are the things that I would like
for people to be really worked up about and to
be you know, pushing politicians and crafting ideas and throwing

(17:57):
those forward and trying to get all of that worked out.
Now do I think that's actually gonna happen. No, Why
we're having this conversation to change hearts and minds.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right right right, We're talking with new York Times bestselling
author Carol Roth. Now, let's go to the debt, and
that's obviously a big topic of conversation right now. I
have these mixed emotions about this entire process. On the

(18:31):
one hand, to me, those could have been as simple
as just saying, hey, go back to the budget that
was pre COVID. And I believe, like I've seen in
some places that said, if we just went back to
the pre COVID budget, we'd be in a surplus.

Speaker 9 (18:52):
So over half a trillion dollars. You probably saw me
talk about that last week.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yes, oh my goodness. So like to me, I think
that would would have been the easiest approach. And I understand,
you know, Indulgen's goals and things like that. But the
way the way that on the one hand, the way
that they approached trying to do the things that they
were trying to do, was so politically untenable that it

(19:20):
may cutting in general, not workable in this political cycle.
And you do have that consideration to think about. You
do have to think about how the voters will react
to what you're doing. So I think that's that's the
one thing. On the one hand, On the other hand,
I do believe that we have to get this debt

(19:43):
under control. But on the other other hand, I don't
know if we can cut I don't believe that we
could cut our way out of this. I think we
have to be very aggressive about growth, and you and
I have talked about this before, which while I'm bringing
this up, where we have to be aggressive about growth

(20:04):
and then try to ease out of the spending because
if you just cut it dramatically without without growth, that
sounds really good to people on Twitter, but you'll tank
the economy. So where So where you at on this
for people who may not have heard our previous interview,
just kind of give your thoughts on the trick bag

(20:27):
that we're in right now and what we need to
do to try to maneuver out of it in the
least painful in the most least painful way.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
Oh boy, well, I'm glad to have your conversation, have
this conversation with you so we can go into nuance,
because it is very difficult to communicate these things in
a post, in an article. You know, just kind of
one office is a very difficult situation that's been built
up over time and you know, just completely untenable and unsustainable.

(20:58):
So we have a number of different thing is going on.
And I'm going to say my biggest criticism that I
think would have fixed this all and maybe still does
fix this all, d'arvo is communication. I think the communication
of a plan, if there is one, has been abysmal.
And if you explain to people what it is you're

(21:19):
doing and the steps you're taking and why they have
to be done in a certain order, people can get
behind it and it doesn't look like you're ignoring their concerns.
But there has been a lot of mixed messaging, a
lot of you know, pie in the sky things that
are untenable, and a lot of things that have been ignored.
And I think you know this, this starts to you.

(21:40):
Any relationship, whether it's you know, personal, professional, or between
politicians and voters, it needs to have good communication.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
And so if I were in charge, which which i'm not,
but if I was, the first thing I.

Speaker 9 (21:55):
Would have done out of the gate is I would have,
you know, does in on deregulation and trying to codify
the tax cuts, and I would have communicated just as
you said, that look, we're we've been given a really
bad lot here and we need to make sure that
the deficit you know, isn't exploded in terms of the

(22:17):
GDP in order to make sure we don't you sink
the ship while we're trying to turn it around. And
so if by doing that, we're going to supercharge growth
and it's going to give us, you know, the flexibility
to go.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
In and make cuts. And I think that people hearing
that could go, Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 9 (22:38):
And then you say, okay, we're going to take the
doge cuts and the low hanging fruit, waste, waste, abuse, fraud,
things that are sent you know, overseas that actually aren't
contributing to our GDP or the low hanging fruit that
isn't going to by cutting it, you know, send the
GDP you know, into a tailspin where it's going to

(22:59):
complete blow up our efforts. So we're going to do
that right out of the gate. And then we're going
to take these doge cuts and we're going to put
a time frame on them, and we're going to say
we're going to do them, but this is how we're
going to do them, in a way that they're phased
in over the next few years. So again we're not
taking this massive hit to GDP while we're trying to

(23:21):
grow our way out.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Of this problem. And I think that's what the right
approach to this problem in the short term. The bigger
issue is that.

Speaker 9 (23:33):
Something needs to be done, something needs to be put
in place to reign in Congress in the long term,
and I'm hearing exactly the opposite, right, I'm hearing from
Trump that he's in an agreement with Elizabeth Warden Warren
for Christ's sake, and that he wants to remove the
debt ceiling, which, on one hand, you know, has never worked.

(23:54):
It's been raised like one hundred times and blown past,
so it's not an effective tool. But what is it
that you're going to put in its place to reign
in Congress? Because anything that we're doing here, if there
isn't a limit or on Congress going forward, and none
of this matters, we're just going to be back in
the same place and any of the other creative things

(24:16):
that the administration may have to do in order to
maybe get the interest rate down on our debt, because
you know, as I said, that's a killer. We're spending
more on interest than we are spending on defense, and
it's on a trajectory to be our largest expense item,
which is just you know, completely you know, untenable for
the United States and its fiscal foundation.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
So if they're going to do something.

Speaker 9 (24:41):
The release valve for whatever it is they're going to do,
and I can come up with all different kinds of
scenarios from fed QI to writing up gold to you know,
so on and so forth, all of those things are
going to be inflationary. And if we're going to have
to take another inflationary hit and see that you know,
start to move back up again again, there needs to

(25:04):
be a really clear explanation of why it's being done
and a really clear rain on Congress to say this
is never going to happen again, and we're doing this
as a one time fix and we know it's going
to be painful, but we're going to make it out
the other side stronger and again, kind of like our
other discussion, there is a clear path, there is something
that makes sense. But do we have the political will

(25:29):
to get this done? You know, that is where this
all falls apart in my you know, unfortunately very common
sense and realistic minds, and you know, I don't see
us going down that path.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
But that would be the way.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
To do it well.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
And I think too, going back to the issue of
the communication part, that is what makes some of this
politically untenable because at the end of the day, you're
asking folks the the way that this has been messaged
and and really, in my view, some of the execution

(26:06):
as well, has been really really It's like it's like
some folks went in and said, let's do this the
most politically painful way we can possibly do, Like let's
let's try to cut stuff that we know isn't going
to be popular, and let's do that first. Like that's

(26:27):
that's a really bad idea if you're trying to get
political support from the voters to accomplish what you're trying
to accomplish.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
And I think part of that.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Is to your point earlier, when you have people who
have high IQs but low eqs, that becomes a problem because.

Speaker 9 (26:51):
In this realm, though in this realm, I'm not even
sure we have the high IQs.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So that's true, that's true, but it becomes a problem
you have to like people say, oh, it shouldn't be
about politics. They're politicians, like it's in the name, and
they answer to the voters, so you have to you
can't lose the voters. And I see this happen multiple times.

(27:16):
I see it in democratic administration's Republican administrations, where they'll
believe in there's something that they want to do, whether
it's right or wrong, good or bad, and they believe
in it so strongly that they don't think they have
to bring the voters the people along with them, that
they just try to force it through and that never works.

(27:38):
What ends up happening usually is you get your butt
kicked and it scares everybody else away. Now they don't
want to touch it at all. And I think that's
the situation that we're in with. Yeah, we got a
debt problem, and we got to figure it out, but
I think that in some ways the Doe's roll out

(27:59):
has been so.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Bad that now.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's made it politically untenable and people don't have the
will to do anything well.

Speaker 9 (28:10):
I would also say, if you want to throw execution errors,
I would also talk about the tariffs, because the execution
and roll out of that and the timing and choreography
given everything.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Else we have to do, made not a lot of sense.

Speaker 9 (28:25):
And to this day we're still struggling through it, and
there's still twenty different explanations of why it is that
we're doing what it is that we're doing, you know,
nineteen of which, of course are going to be proven
wrong and conflict with each other.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
And then you know, the DOGE.

Speaker 9 (28:42):
I feel like they had a mandate for DOGE, but
I agree that to say, okay, we've identified these things,
and then here's why we can't cut this all overnight.
Here's why we have to phase it in, and here's
you know, how we're tearing this and why we think
this is the right way to do it is such
a simple leap to make, Like all you have to

(29:03):
do is have a press conference.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
President Trump loves to talk to people.

Speaker 9 (29:07):
People love to hear from President Trump's all you gotta
do is load up this plan and a teleprompter and
he's gonna.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Sell it because that is what he does.

Speaker 9 (29:17):
He is and I don't think that the people around
him have done him, you know, any favors by you know,
kind of all of these different ideas coming in different directions,
and you know, this lack of clarity of hey, we
really have a grasp of what's going on. This is

(29:38):
a really serious situation. You might not agree with how
we're going about this, but let me tell you why
there's a plan. There's a reason, and here's why we
think it's gonna work and it's gonna benefit you.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I think the people you know, like myself.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
Like others, who are really focused on getting down that
spending over time, that's what you want to hear. You
want to hear that there actually is a plan, not
that Hey, we've identified all of this stuff and it
was just like a sideshow to the main circus to
keep you distracted while we do what we always do
and pass this bill that's just going to continue to

(30:15):
pop up the data. I'd like for someone to, in
a very clear, sesame street sort of way, just walk
us through, here's the plan. And I think people will
give the time and the flexibility for the plan if
they know what it is and how long it's expected
to take. And you can see those milestones being reached
along the way and that hasn't happened, and coming out

(30:38):
of the gate and not tackling you know, the making
taxes permanent and deregulation and things that you know, lower
barriers and leash growth right out of the gate and
instead getting you know, mired in this tariff nonsense was
just an unforced error that I think everything else has
kind of fallen from in terms of the lousy commun munication.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
So I do think there potentially again.

Speaker 9 (31:05):
Is a window here that that could be righted and
go okay, you know, I know, I know you all
didn't like this. Here's you know, here's let us communicate
this going forward. But I don't think there is a
a fully open window. This cannot go on for too
much longer. At some point, credibility is going to be lost.
There's going to be even more infighting, and at the

(31:27):
end of the day, anything that is good, that's done,
it's not going to matter, and it's gonna end up handicapping,
you know, the ability to do anything else.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
And you know, the midterms are going to be a disaster.

Speaker 9 (31:37):
So uh, it's it's it's it's it's tough being on
the side when it's so obvious what needs to be
done and just watching, you know, the fumble happen on
the on the one yard.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Line, it just kills me.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
We're talking with Carol Roth, we have a few minutes left,
and you brought up the next thing.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
I was going to tackle and that is terrifs.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Well, yeah, yeah, the same thing.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Because I again, and you and I have had this
conversation probably again.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
This is another one of those things that is frustrating
to me because I am not anti terriff, and I
do believe that there are some situations where we should
have teriffs, where we should have things in place to protect,
particularly things that we need for like life sustaining, health sustaining,

(32:34):
and in our own defense. We shouldn't have to be
depending I think when COVID happened and we learned, like
I remember that people didn't have at the beginning, we
didn't have enough tests because you need the cotton swabs
for the tests, and we were getting the cotton from
that goes into cotton swaps from China.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
That's stupid.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
We shouldn't be in that situation, or when people were
having a hard time getting pharmaceutical drugs because the some
of the ingredients for those drugs were made by Like,
you should not be dependent upon your biggest adversary for
your light to sustain your life or your health. But

(33:14):
the tariff strategy in general overall to me seemed like
it was very scatterbrain and I don't know what the
goal was now for me, if you're I'm willing to
go with you beyond what I just mentioned the qualifiers

(33:35):
I just mentioned, I'm willing to go with you on
tariffs if the goal is to get everybody to lower
their barriers, which is what I thought the goal either
was or it should be, because we should want American
companies to be able to have the same amount of
freedom and access to other markets as other markets have

(33:58):
to us.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
I am all for that, but it don't seem like
that is the.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Actual goal through this. So what is the plan, what
is the strategy? What is the point?

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Nobody knows.

Speaker 9 (34:12):
And that's the problem because you cannot say, well, we're
trying to make great deals so that we all have
free and fair trade at the same time saying, oh,
tariffs are going to pay for your income tax, like
you got to pick one, you know, if you want
to have one or the other, you can make an argument,
we can debate that, but you can't have every strategy
that are you know, and again when they're in conflict
with each other.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
So I'm with you. I think that this was, as
I said.

Speaker 9 (34:36):
Just an unforced error, a massive fumble. Just yes, if
we have places where there is a really big issue
in terms of rare earth minerals, in terms of shipbuilding,
our national defense, pharmaceuticals, things that keep us safe, like, yes,
focus on that, and if you need to put a

(34:58):
tariff on those specific things, that's great. But this idea
of us having a trade deficit and that it being
a problem at all, let alone a bigger problem than
our national deficit, is a head scratcher. And unfortunately, since
we have a fairly financially illiterate population, my guess is

(35:20):
that people are just complaining the two that they think
that the national deficit and the trade deficit are the
same thing, or you know, inexplicably related, when they are not,
and they're just you know, certain places where you know,
I keep laughing about Vietnam. You know Vietnam people on
you know, their median salary there per year is like

(35:41):
four thousand dollars. It's like, we have a trade deficit
with Vietnam. It's like, okay, well you're going to sell
them more four to one fifty trucks when they make
four thousand dollars a year, Like, what how do you
think that works?

Speaker 4 (35:53):
I just I just I don't know, I don't know.
People don't have no idea what they're talking about.

Speaker 9 (35:57):
But at any rate, again, so coming out of the
gate and you're trying to super charge the economy, why
is this even in the discussion at this point.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
You've now put up barriers.

Speaker 9 (36:12):
I mean, you had businesses when you know the one
hundred and forty five percent tarifs from China on that
just stopped doing business because that's not a tariff, that's
an embargo. You cannot do business when your cost of
goods is now at one hundred and forty five percent
of what it was previously. So it's just the whole

(36:33):
thing made no sense. It continues to make no sense.
The endgame I've predicted all along is just going to
be something that is marginally better and maybe and that
we declare this massive victory with a huge cost associated
And I'm not poopooing.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
That we have big issues.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
I mean, we have issues with China stealing our intellectual property.
But going back to communication again, you've the most charming
negotiator in the world sitting at mar Lago, Like, why
are you not inviting people over for dinner and showing
them a good time, and you know, patting them on

(37:13):
the back and charming their pants off and cutting deals
and only using the threats after all of that hasn't
worked because I feel like in most of the scenarios,
President Trump, you know you're gonna go, Okay, this's great, Yes,
let's do this, that we didn't have to go through
throwing US companies and consumers under the bus in order

(37:38):
to get something done. It didn't need to be done now,
It didn't need to be done as the first step.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
In a strategy. I just don't understand.

Speaker 9 (37:47):
And again people may be saying, well, what do you know, Carol.
Did you go to Wharton like Donald Trump?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (37:52):
I did.

Speaker 9 (37:53):
Are you a deal maker like Donald Trump? Well, yes,
I've done billions of dollars worth of transactions, thank you?
So is that like I don't know what I'm talking
about in this domain? And no I'm not Donald Trump,
but I don't have his bank account.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
But you know, I'm doing pretty well here.

Speaker 9 (38:07):
And as a strategic thinker, it's just like strategy and
problem solving is like, you know, center the plate to me,
and there just seems to be so many more obvious
ways and I feel like there are just too many voices,
you know, in and around the administration that you have
an agenda but maybe only understand that piece and don't

(38:28):
understand how it relates to everything else. And I just
again think this was a big mistake that they can
get out of. And you know, if you don't care
that they call Trump Taco, then you know Trump always,
you know, caves or whatever it is, like it chickens out.
You know, as long as you don't care about that
and you care about actually fixing our fiscal problems, there

(38:52):
is a way forward here. But we have a very
narrow window, very narrow.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
And lastly, to that point, there was one thing that
you said, and I think you said this publicly and
I believe you said it on our last interview as well,
and this was at the very beginning of the administration,
as the administration was being built out, and you kind
of flagged one of your concerns was that there wasn't
enough people who understood small businesses in particular that was

(39:28):
in the inner circle of the administration. And I think
we've kind of seen that play out because, like to
your point about the kind of contradictory helter skelter nature
of some of the things that they do where you
have one thing that they're trying to do and then
you have another thing that cancels.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Out the other thing.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
We've seen that often, and when you're in the situation
that we're in and you need the economy to get
juiced up, I've seen things that has negatively impacted small
businesses in general, that have negatively impacted minority owned businesses
in particular, that have negative negatively impacted all of the

(40:09):
pieces that you really need if you're going to try
to pull off, to pull the rabbit out of the
hat and grow your way out of this. So, if
you were talking to the administration on a small business conversation,
what what's the one or two things that you would
tell them they absolutely either need to do or need

(40:31):
to stop doing in order to get growth at the
level that we needed to, particularly with small businesses, because
the small businesses are the engine of our economy.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
They are.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I mean, there's thirty five million of them.

Speaker 9 (40:45):
And if you go back to the beginning of our
conversation and believe that AI may trend in that direction,
I think we're going to have a lot more and
Main Street elected Trump. They were very optimistic, and unfortunately,
if you look at the optimism index from NFIB and
other places, small business optimism has come cratering down in
the last couple of months because they thought they were

(41:07):
going to get government out of the way, and instead
they got more barriers. So what I would tell the
Trump administration is that they need to have a small
business perspective on every single.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Thing that they're doing.

Speaker 9 (41:21):
And at the end of the day, you have to
ask yourself, is does this create more barriers and a
non level playing field for main Street? Because this administration
from Scott Beston, Treasury Secretary to Trump, has said we
want to be main Street first, and that Wall Street
has had its turn and it's now main Street's turn.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
But a lot of the things.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
That they've done haven't followed what it is that they've
said that their goals are. And I think that that's
a really smart goal and a way to continue to
move this engine forward in a very decentralized manner, in
a way that supports freedom, in a way that's going
to benefit the economy and hope fully help.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
In any way that we can with this debt problem.

Speaker 9 (42:04):
So you know, when you do something like tariffs you
have to ask yourself, Okay, what does this mean for
small business? And small business is super complicated because you,
as I said, thirty five million, they're all in different
industries and geographies and whatnot. So there are some small
businesses that are in US manufacturing that probably benefited greatly
from the tariffs, but that is a very small piece

(42:27):
of what small businesses are. And there are all the
small businesses that have part of their supply chains that
are abroad, which again doesn't mean that they're a Chinese company.
They're still supporting US jobs here and revenue and profit
here in the United States, but that don't have options
to do their business at a cost that a customer

(42:48):
would actually purchase from them. You don't want to create
that barrier. But instead we heard, well, you know, so
and so is going to get.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Two dollars for Christmas. Like what are you talking talking about?

Speaker 9 (43:00):
Like that's not a freedom, pro business, pro small business,
you know, pro anything talking point. That's like a communistic
talking point. So if I were in the room, I
would say you need to have a council of people
and you need to be running everything by them and
saying what is the impact on main street because at
the end of the day, as I talk to small

(43:21):
businesses across this country, nobody wants special treatment. They just
don't want barriers. And every barrier that the government erects
is more difficult and unwieldy for a small business to
handle because they don't have the balance sheets, and they
don't have the legal departments, and they don't have the
resources to be able to do it. When I see

(43:43):
that Apple that has tens of billions of dollars in
cash on its balance sheet and is looking to do
massive buybacks, is getting an exemption from tariffs at a
time when small businesses weren't exempt, you have to ask, like,
who's running that policy, and how is that main Street? First,
So you know, let's go back to what your policy

(44:03):
that you said, you know, you wanted to have, which
was main Street gets a chance, and let's get people
at the table that can point these things out to you,
because I don't think that they're necessarily doing them intentionally.
There's just nobody who's actually thinking about this stuff and
bringing it up and raising a hand going oh, hey,
by the way, guys, you know thirty five million small businesses,
let's talk about them.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Let everybody know how to follow you and keep over
what you got going on.

Speaker 9 (44:30):
All right, Well, I have a free economic newsletter and
we talk about things like this and you get into
the weeds at Carolroth dot com slash news, and I
am on all the very social media at Carol JS
Roth and latest book is You Will Own Nothing. And
I think you can see from this discussion, uh where
I was going with that.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
It's always a pleasure to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It's never a pleasure to talk about the stuff that
we talk about, but it's always.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
A pleasure to talk to you. Thank you for coming
on the show and being our first guest on the radio.

Speaker 9 (45:01):
My friends, Well, congratulations again, and hopefully, uh maybe the
Cleveland Browns and the Chicago Bears will have a really
good start to the season this year.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
We can come on, we can talk football instead.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Yes, that would be beautiful. Thank you, my friend.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
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Speaker 9 (45:35):
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Speaker 7 (45:49):
All right, y'all, so this is crazy. This is a crazy,
crazy topic. Okay, this is something that we often talk about.
I think we've talked about a lot in the past
where it comes to just abuse of a man or
abuse of a woman, and we've talked about that quite
a bit. So this topic is actually about DDG and

(46:10):
Hallie Bailey. So they split up some time ago. I
think DDG might be a rapper or something of the sort.
I didn't know who he was until they got together.
But Halle Bailey is an R and B singer. Hallie
Bailey is an R and B singer, and they had

(46:32):
a baby together, and well it's suddenly become very toxic,
and allegedly he started putting his hands on her and
she was cheating on her.

Speaker 6 (46:43):
I think with La La, I think that's her name.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
Don't come after me if I finally say right, But
he was cheating on her with Laala in a whole
different state or something of the sort. And that's kind
of where the problems kind of started. So and turns
out Hallie Baiby also was being abusive after having the baby,
like she had postpartum and that that's also another thing

(47:09):
you know with women, you know, when we have a child,
that kind of just happens.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Our body just kind of does that. But she also
may be dealing with.

Speaker 7 (47:19):
Some other mental health issues allegedly, I don't know, by
stating she picked up a gun at one point and
took it from him, and so she was making threats
with the gun, and also recently she said that he
put she put he put his hands on her. Now

(47:41):
she's talking about taking the baby and leaving the country,
and he's trying to file to take custody, soul, custody
of the baby.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
And it's just like a.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Big old mess.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
It's it's just all over the place, and I just
it's I'm gonna just say.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
My opinion on it.

Speaker 7 (47:59):
My opinion on it is one obviously everybody they're young,
but everybody should know is the first thing you don't
do is put your business, your relationship out on social media.
And that's really what they've been doing. And it's everybody's
having opinions on it. Oh, Hallie Bailey's in the right,
Halle Bailey's in the right, And a lot of I

(48:20):
see guys that have issues with it, and they say, oh,
women automatically want to take the woman's side and say, oh, she's.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
In the right.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
He's in the wrong, he did this and that, but
I guess he hit her at one point and allegedly
chipped her tooth. And it's just been a back and forth,
abusive type of relationship. And it's just like, where does
it stop. And the thing is, it's like, you can't.
He's coming after her right now for the custody. But
the thing is is you you you're stating all these

(48:49):
things about her.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
But we all know how this works.

Speaker 7 (48:53):
You cannot accuse somebody in the courtroom or at all
unless you have physical proof. Otherwise it's your say against
her say, and that's really all you got.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
So I'll say this from what I've seen in the story,
a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
One the timeline, a lot of women were like, well,
we're trying to excuse her alleged poor behavior by saying
by using the postpartum depression as an excuse. Well, the
problem with that is when you look at the text
messages that were released, a lot of that was prior

(49:34):
to her getting pregnant, So that shows a different kind
of pattern. And when we have a conversation about abuse
and whether it's an abusive relationship, this.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Sounds to me.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I don't know who hit who first. I'll just put
that out there. So to me, it's not about one
side or the other. To me, this sounds like a
mutually top relationship. This sounds like two people who are
abusing each other depending on the time and whose person

(50:11):
and which one was at the other end of the
fist or the hand or or what have you. Some
of the things that was allegedly said on those text
messages are absolutely concerning. And the problem I think that
I have with the whole.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Thing is.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
There's too many people looking to make excuses for bad
behavior instead of saying, look, from what we know, and
we don't know much because we weren't there, but from
what we know, it looks like both of them abused
each other. And I don't think people are ready to

(50:57):
have that conversation because I do believe that there is
still a bias against the idea that men can be abused.
People just don't believe it. A lot of people don't
believe it. A lot of women and some men refuse
to accept the idea that a man can be abused.

(51:18):
And I think obviously we're seeing a lot of hypocrisy
in this conversation on both sides in my view, and
to me, the fundamental issue is that it looks to
me like this is a mutually toxic relationship and both
of them abused each other.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Dante your thoughts, Yeah, That's.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
What I was about to say too.

Speaker 8 (51:43):
I think it really sounds to me like two people
that should not have been together were together. They exasperated
the situation by having a kid together, and of course
that didn't save their situation and probably just made it worse.

(52:04):
And they need to be a part because it seems
to me like they were just way too toxic for
each other.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Once you get to the point in a relationship.

Speaker 8 (52:17):
Whereas he said, she said, in terms of abuse, that
means you probably got a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Of wrong on both sides, and it's not one side.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
One side is clearly in the wrong and the other
side is clearly the victim. Now you probably got both
sides are abuses, and both sides are victims.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
And.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
It would have been better for that couple not to
have ever been together, basically is what I gather.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
So I don't know where it goes from here, but I.

Speaker 8 (52:47):
Kind of feel bad for a child, and you just
really hope that they can in some way be able
to co parent, Like can they get past this and
figure out how to co parent? Because that's really all
this should be about at this point, right, Like to me,
it like you guys should not have been together. You guys,
please don't ever think about getting back together. You're too
toxic for each other. Please honestly, don't even get in

(53:10):
another separate relationship because y'all gotta work on yourselves obviously,
But are y'all able to co parent and just put
each other's egos to side and just do what's best
for you'all child?

Speaker 1 (53:23):
That's really what this should be about in my opinion.

Speaker 7 (53:26):
Right right, Well, I'll just give a few little more
details on that, and that's really all I will have.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
I'll just let you know.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
It does say that the mom accused Halle Bailey of
tracking him with air tags. Hallie Bailey said her mental
health is under control and DDG and calls DDG out
for the embellishing.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
And the custody case. These are just a few.

Speaker 7 (53:49):
Of the things. That's just some of the things that's
going on. I definitely agree with you, guys. I mean,
it's I don't know, I think is too many toxic relationships,
too many toxic relationships, and it's if you cannot keep
your hands to yourself, that right there alone should just
tell you this is not gonna work, and there needs

(54:12):
to be found a middle ground, even if that means
having to have somebody there when you guys are doing
the whole co parenting thing, like if you have to
have a middleman transitioning the child from mom mom to
dad or dad mom, there has to be something that
they have to be able to work that out.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
All right.

Speaker 7 (54:33):
Next, Oh well, so I can actually talk about this.
So Cardi B an offset, So Cardi are offset fires
off at Cardi B forgetting their son's hair braided exactly
like Stefan Diggs. That literally exactly looks like his hair,

(55:00):
and that that was very petty.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
That was very petty of her. But I mean, his hair.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Does look cute. I'm not gonna lie, But like you know,
I mean, how would.

Speaker 7 (55:11):
You guys feel if you had a child with somebody
and they were mocking your son's hair from the man
that they were dating.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Dante. I'll let you take this her.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I wouldn't be in that situation.

Speaker 10 (55:27):
Let's just say let's let's just say let's just say, hypothetically,
let's just say just if you were Let's say, if
you were in that position, how would you feel about that?

Speaker 8 (55:40):
I couldn't you know why Darvy and I could speak
for Darby and say he wouldn't be in this situation
because he wouldn't date, nor would I a woman like
Cardi B. He also probably wouldn't cheat on his on
his you know, on his baby mom or his wife
they were buried. Actually, yeah, like all sat was doing
so another couple that probably shouldn't have been together. But yeah,

(56:01):
I'm telling you, I think Offset man, he probably you know,
it's not really even a loss like she probably they
probably thought the hairstyle was cute, just decided like, oh yeah,
my son would like this. He probably nothing wrong with it.
I think he probably a little salty that you know,
this guy is uh this football player done done, scooped

(56:21):
up his girl or so that's probably why he really mad,
But who cares?

Speaker 6 (56:28):
Let me ask you all this.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
Do you feel and this is kind of off topic,
but mega quick, do you feel that Cardi B came
up more because she started dating Offset?

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Or do you know they were both they were both
mutually famous, so.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Oh okay, I was gonna say it was a bigger
star between them.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
Well, now she's worth more than him.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
But that's a different question though than who's the bigger star.

Speaker 8 (56:57):
Oh well, I feel like she might be more recognizable
to like the average person or the or recognizable to
the average person. Maybe that just stems from the fact
that All said started his career as in a group.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (57:09):
Possibly, But like I feel like, and this is just
you know, this is with no information.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I haven't studied at all.

Speaker 8 (57:18):
I feel like Cardi was always kind of more famous
than Offset.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
But that's just that's just a guess.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
All right.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
So we are running short on time because of the
interview today, so we're gonna go to break.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
We're gonna go to Dante's hot takes.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
All three of us have have some thoughts on what
the hot takes are for the day, so we're gonna
get to that.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Stay tuned, we'll be right back. You're listening to the Outlaws, yo,
what's up bringing the noise right here?

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Chuck, Republic enemy number one. You are tuning the Outlaws radio.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Show telling the truth. Whether you like it or not,

(58:11):
it's Dante's hot takes on the yet Lawns radio show.

Speaker 8 (58:18):
So based on last segment we talked about two celebrity
couples that couldn't be together because they were just too toxic. Well,
now we have a political union that has been fractured
with Trump. President Trump and Elon Musk basically not only
ending their political romance but also deciding to go at
each other in a Twitter k that social because of

(58:44):
the really big beautiful bill that Trump got through the House. So,
as you know, Elon left his position at DOGE and
has been outspoken since his split with the President over
the big Beautiful bill, which does have some merit, but
it will cause maybe four maybe maybe up to four

(59:09):
trillion dollars added adding that to the deficit. And as
you know, Elon was very outspoken about shrinking government spending,
shrinking the deficit because he says it is unsustainable. So
I thought today was just a really bad day for
both Elon and MAGA. Just a bid on Elon's side,

(59:31):
a group of his shareholders is supposed to be meeting
here pretty soon to see how to discuss how his
behavior potentially impacts his companies. You know, Tesla was down
about seventeen percent today. It was one of the worst
days in recent memory for that company. Trump has, you know,

(59:51):
put out on truth Social that maybe he should if
we really want, if the government really wants to save money,
that maybe we should cancel all of Elon's h the
subsidies for his for his contract for his government contracts
through his businesses. This is just a really bad thing
overall for the Trump administration and also for Elon. Obviously

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the consequences like we already talked about with Elon's companies,
but also with Trump. I mean, this is a huge
fraction or a huge fracture in but with with the
guy who many people believe helped him the most get
to the White House. So I'm interested to see how
this plays out. I don't think this goes well for

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either side. But I do think that Trump, because of
his current position as the president, does have the upper
hand right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
So I am watching this and I'm sitting there eating
popcorn because I'm like, if you follow me on social
media at Dita King Ben, I've told you, I told
you a long time ago that Elon ain't who people
think he is. And I've had a number of issues

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with many of the things that Elon said and done,
particularly the racist stuff, because he's said and done and
retweeted and re shared a lot of racist stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
And also he this, I'm not surprised. This is who
he is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
He didn't like something that Trump did he and he
didn't like that he wasn't getting his way and it
being changed, and so when Trump pushed back, he behaved.
Elon behaved like a petulant child.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
That's what he does.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
This isn't new, And like I said, I've been very
critical of Elon in the past on social media because
of the way that he behaves. This, ay, this ain't new,
so to me, I don't know what people expected. Of course,
you were going to have when you got two egos
like that, Eventually they were going to clash. I'm not surprised,

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but my view was just it is what a TI is. Robin,
What did you think of all of the back and forth.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
I think I just found out today. I didn't realize
there was a cat fight.

Speaker 7 (01:02:20):
Okay, I must have been under living under our rock,
because when I seen that today, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Like, oh, like that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
That's some tea right there.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
Like I was so excited, but then I found out
I've been completely out of the loop. But I think
this is a lot there's a lot of things going
on within this situation. I mean they're throwing one another
up under the bus with a lot of things. I
can definitely say that a lot of dirt when I

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was reading things, even though a lot of the things.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
We already suspected.

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
But it's like, come on now, like don't don't like
beat around the bush, tell us what it is for real,
tell us, come on, tell us.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
You know got my glass. I'm listening, you know hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I will say this. I saw one one tweet that
was very entertaining to me. It said, this is the
Republican's version of Drake versus Kendrick. That's hilarious. So we'll
see what happens next. Dante.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
Let him know how to follow you, sir.

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Follow me on Instagram and Twitter at T bride t A.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
E b r y E Miss O'Malley.

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Follow me on Instagram at real Robin O'Malley and Facebook
at Robin O'Malley.

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And you can follow me at D D King Penn
Area where its D T H E K I N
G P I N. One more time, thank you to
Carol Rof for coming on the show, we are out
of here.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
We'll see you next week. Per.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
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