Cleveland Municipal Court judicial candidate Nikki McGowan joins the show to talk about running for the office, why her experience as a public defender adds needed perspective and more. Later in the show, Robin reflects on her question to Cavs star Donovan Mitchell being picked up by major entertainment news outlets across the country.
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quite a few things to talk about today. But first
we need a drum roll. I need the next time
I'm going to invest in a drum roll so we
can play a drum roll right here, because apparently we
have royalty in the building. Now we have Cleveland's Queen
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of celebrity news, Robin O'Malley. We're gonna talk a little
bit about what happened this week that gave her the
new title, But miss O'Malley, how are you?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Thank you? I am great. Takes a bow, I am,
I am phenomenal, DARBYO. It has been a very interesting
week for me. Definitely has been.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, yes, you've had a couple, You've had a couple
of those since you've been on this show, but this
week really really took the cake. So we're gonna talk
a little bit about it later on in the show.
But we cover Cavs media day and Robin asked the question.
(02:06):
We'll get into it later. Robin asked the question Donovan Mitchell,
the Cleveland Cavaliers star player, and about his h his
engagement to R and B singer Coco Jones, and that
got picked up and covered everywhere, and there was a
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lot of places where you were hearing Robin's voice asked
that question. So it was it was it was really
really dope, really really dope. And so we're going to
get into it in a little bit here, but first
we have an interview that we're gonna get to right now.
All right, we have a very special guest on the
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show today. She is running for Cleveland Municipal Court Judge
Nicki McGowan. Welcome, to the show.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
How you doing, Oh, thank you so much for thanks,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
I'm doing well, awesome, I'm excited for this experience.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for joining us. I really
appreciate it. So talk a little bit before we get
into the race and everything. Talk a little bit about
your your background leading up to this, your work experience,
what you what you've been doing leading up to this point.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Sure, thank you.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
While I've been a public defender my whole legal career,
I've actually been with the office in twenty fourteen as
a law clerk and then I loved it so much
working with the people.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
And the work that I, you know, decided to stay on.
They hired me. Fortunately enough.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
I started in the juvenile division, where I represented parents
against children family services and then also children that were
charged with delinquency crimes. And then I transferred to the
missile division, and I've been there a majority of my career,
and I've practiced in every courtroom, including miscible court. I've
handled about four thousand cases while i've been here, and
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it's just been a great experience every day, especially my
work with the treatment dockets has been really fulfilling professionally,
and personally too.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So what made you decide to run for judge? What
made you want to do that?
Speaker 7 (04:25):
So it's just not about being a judge for me,
you know, because I've gotten that question, Oh, you just
want to be a judge. I ran specifically for this
seat because I'm in this courthouse every day. I know
the needs of the people, and I know how the
court can help people if they're linked with the right services.
And I think that Clevelan Missipal Court is the first
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place that someone can get the assistance or resources that
they need so they don't have for further involvement with
the system. So you know, I've heard comments like, oh,
you'll be a judge someday somewhere, but I think that's
losing sight of why I decided to do this and run.
It was because it was to run for Cleveland Municipal Court,
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a place where i'm every day and a place where
I enjoy working.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Talking with Nick McGowan, was running for cleveand Municipal Court judge.
And if and when you're elected, what what do you
think you would bring to the bitch. What are some
of the some of the skills that you have, some
of the approaches that you have. What what do you
want to bring to the bench.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I think experience and the right experience.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
I think it's truly unique to be able to stand,
you know, next to my clients and really know, you know,
what they're facing and what you know, resources that they
need to assist them in their lives. And I think
especially being a public defender, you know, most judges are
former prosecutors. There's not many judges that are on the
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bench that are public defenders.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
And I just think that we're able to bring, you.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Know, particular experience that no one else truly knows about
unless you're standing there, you know, in that courtroom trying
to advocate for someone every day. In addition to that,
you know, I've handled every single docket in Cleveland, Missipal Court,
and I don't think people realize how many dockets Cleveland
particularly has. We have the treatment dockets that human trafficking,
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the Veterans Court, drug docket, mental Health Court docket. In
addition to we also have a brandon All docket, We
have an APL docket, we have a tax docket.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
We have a three B, three D and three C docket.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
So just being in all those dockets with that experience
being in front of every jurist. I just truly think
that that brings unique experience that I don't think anybody
else has in this race.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So let's talk about you, your experience as a public defender.
Why do you think that's important for people who may
not know or may not be able to connect the dots.
Why do you think it's important to have someone on
the bench that does have the public defender experience.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
So when clients are walking into or any individuals walking
in the justice center, this is the worst day of
their life, and they're bringing with them, you know, outside
issues that they have that people don't know about or
don't consider unless you're truly representing them, and you know,
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having conversations, and you know, people aren't coming in with
the name badge saying all the issues that they've had,
whether that's homelessness, or their license is suspended, or they
got mental health issues or drug issues.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
So representing these people, it's not just cases for me.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
These are individual people with individual challenges. And so when
you experience this every day, I think that truly brings
the other perspective. If you are to be a judge
sitting on the bench, maybe it's not known what that
person is experiencing when they're standing there. But just because
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I've represented all these individuals and know all the challenges
that they're facing, I just have a I feel like
public defenders have a comprehensive, more comprehensive picture than you know,
maybe a former prosecutor or even a defense attorney. So again,
I just think that we're more it could be more thoughtful,
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more compassionate, just because we're seeing the other side every
day and they're just not you know, a case number
on a docket which just charges next to it.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
You know, these people are truly experiencing things.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
That no one knows unless you know you've represented them
and you know, formed professional relationship with them.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We're talking with Nick mcgallan, who's running for Cleveland Municipal
Court judge. And during your time as a public defender,
I know we've talked about this before offline, to talk
about like one or two experiences that you had that
was like a win for you, not necessarily a win
in terms of like the outcome of the case, but
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seeing someone someone's life change, someone getting themselves together, Like
talk a little bit about some of the experiences the
positive experiences that you've seen during your time as a
public defender.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Sure, definitely, I think as a public defender, for me,
it's it's you know, not about also some big jury
trial win. I mean, obviously those are great for the
clients and obviously you know, great professionally for myself. However,
for me, it's the little things that are like truly
truly wins every day, you know, whether or that's someone
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coming back to court with their insurance or now their
license is fully reinstated, or now they were required to
get you know, their dog license and their dog neutered
and the insurance so now they can keep their animal
it doesn't have to be forfeited to the APL Or
they've you know, come in and now they're graduating from
drug court or veterans court, and they're standing up there
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with their family and now they've got gainful employment and
they're clean and their med compliant, and their families are
there and they've established their relationships again. Those are just
truly wins for me every day, because I truly see
how that's that's more impactful for them in their daily
lives than you know, some big jury trial win or something.
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For me, I mean, obviously we have those too, and
obviously that's good for the client if they get not guilty,
But for me, it's the little things or maybe they
got their record expunged and now they're able to get
that the job that they always wanted.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
So all those little.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
Instances just add up for me and just make have
made this a rewarding career, a professional experience.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So talk a little bit about what made you decide
to go into this profession in the first place, When
did you know that this is what you wanted to do,
and just talk a little bit about your journey how
you ended up at the Public Defender's office.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
So actually, just totally it wasn't planned.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
I was in my last year law school and we
were required to complete an externship. And you know, my
dad's been an attorney for fifty years now and he
has a defensive criminal defense attorney private how so I
had it to ta this externship and I couldn't work
with him. So he said, oh, let me let me
drive you down to the Public Defender's office.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Maybe I can get you in.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
There, and so he did, and then I just fell
in love with it. I worked with wonderful people they're
out here grinding every day, representing people to the fullest
and advocating for them. And it's truly a great place
to work. And I just I just wouldn't have it
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any other way. So it was totally happenstance. But like
I said, it's a great place to work. And don't
colleagues and I don't get a lot of credit, but
that's okay. We don't do it for that, and we
just do it to advocate and represent clients and make
sure that their rights aren't being violated.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We're talking when Nick McGowan, who's running for Cleveland Municipal
Court judge, and for people who are just getting to
know you or just being introduced to you, if there's
one or two things that you would want them to
know about you, what are those things?
Speaker 7 (13:00):
I think that I just show up every day. I
have the experience. I think I have the right experience.
Like I said, I've handled all the different dockets in
the court. In addition to that, you know we have
in the neighborhood warrant recalls, we have expungement clinics, we
have licensing and statement clinics, and I attend those routinely
and I think those are important too. These are things
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that impact the individual's clements of a court the most,
and I just think that it's important to have experienced judges,
but also the right experience, but not only that, above
and beyond that, if you were to ask anybody my
reputation in the court, I think that they would say,
I'm always prepared, I'm always pleasant, no matter who it
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is that I deal with, whether it's a guy that
presses the elevator on the first floor the Justice Center,
or the blue shirt bailiffs, the personal bailiffs, the judges,
the journalizers, the court reporters, everybody in the court. I
just always tried to to be respectful, mindful, and.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I just think that that that's the most important.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
I think at the end of the day, if you're
coming into a courtroom, like I said, it's could be
the worst, the worst time for someone in their life.
And so when you come into a courtroom and you
have a judge that's respectful and open minded and patient
and listening and have empathy, I think that's what matters
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the most. And I'm hoping that I would bring that
to the bench.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
We're talking with Nick mcgallan, who's running for cleveand municipal
Court judge. And as we get ready to wind down here,
there is a question that I like to ask people,
particularly candidates for office that come on the show, that
has nothing to do with.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
The job that they're running, that they're seeking, but it
gives a little bit of insight to who the person is,
because voters want to know when they're making their decisions,
they want to know who the who the person is.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So I'm going to ask you this very tough and
hard hitting question, Nikki. Are you ready?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Oh? I'm ready?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, what is on your playlist?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Okay? What do I mostly listen to?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
O my favorite band?
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Okay, it's Tool, And I know, I know that.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I feel like.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
People say that Tool fans could be the most annoying
fans of any genre. But yes, but I also like
nineties hip hop, but I typically all genres of music.
I actually was listening to Motown like last time that was,
you know, a couple of days ago. But it's all
over the place, but primarily it's yeah, cool, we'll mix everything.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
I like the question though.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:03):
So finally, as you're running through this office, your first
time candidate, talk a little bit about what the experience
has been like in a general in a general.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Sense of running for the office, what it's been like
to interact with the voters and and all that good stuff.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
It has been challenging but also rewarding.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I would say, I'm not a politician, and I know
the judges are elected. However, I just try to show up,
you know, at each event and with voters, and just
try to just talk about my experience and every day.
And I just think that comes from my heart. So
again I said, I'm not a politician. I will say
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this though, the amount of support that I've received, obviously
from a close family and friends, but in the legal
community has been probably the most rewarding and complimentary.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
It really keeps me going. When I hear you know
how I.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Think you're the most experienced, or you're really doing you
know well out there. I think that really truly keeps
me going. But again, this experience has been definitely eye opening,
and yeah, I just I just take it day by day.
And again I just want to let everyone know that
I have been supportive and have expressed it to me.
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I truly truly appreciate it. Again, it's what keeps me going,
and every text or phone call or letter or you know,
donation or whatever it is, how they ever, however they
may help, I truly mean it smaller, big, and again
it's just what keeps me going.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Let everybody know how to follow you on social media.
They want to keep up with what you got going on,
how to get information on your campaign and all that
good stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Uh do you have a Facebook page? Instagram? Ni coming
out in for Judge is my website? Yes?
Speaker 7 (18:09):
Please like, follow, share, We got yard signs. We're gonna
have a lot of activities coming up in October. And again,
I just want to let everyone know I am truly
appreciative of the support. It almost makes me emotional thinking
about it. I just don't know how I'll ever be
able to like thank everybody that's helped me so far.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So thank you all right, and thank you so much
for coming on the show and spend some time with us.
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Stay tuned. We have more to come here on the Outlaws.
Tell Alexa to play the Outlaws radio show.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Here.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
It is from my Heart Radio, Real Talk fel Conversations.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
We got the heat. Hell yeah, this is the radio
show Welcome Back, Welcome Back, and listening to the Outlaws.
And as I alluded to earlier, well, first of all,
I want to send a special shout out to Nicki
McGowin for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. So,
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as I mentioned earlier, Robin asked a question of CAPS
Media Day to Cleveland Cavaliers all star Donovan Mitchell about
his engagement to Coco Jones, And before we go any further,
I'm gonna play I'm gonna play that question right now.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
You see what you were recently.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Congratulation man, that's my dog. I love her to death.
She's she's amazing, She's an amazing human being. She brings
me peace.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
And you know, I got to spend time with her
on tour with something that was very unique because you
realize that she travels and works just as hard as
we do on the tour bus, up late night, up
late nights. She's a special human and you see it
in her work. And to be able to call her
my fiance my wife is a blessing.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
So I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Now if you've noticed, if you notice when it played,
you heard a little at the beginning, right because it
was on TMZ. Her voice is on TMZ right now.
So last I checked, I saw this. I saw the
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question and answer or some variation of at TMZ, People Essence, NBA,
the Shade Room, Hollywood Unlocked, I think, and and Hoops Hype.
(21:08):
It was that Hoops Hype and several others, several others.
It was on Yahoo. I saw it on Yahoo News
as well. That was crazy. That was that was crazy,
Like I've never uh, We'll take that back. I have
seen something like that before because we tend to do
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that on this show, but for it to happen so quickly,
I think it was a surprise because that thing was
out by the time we left the arena. People were
putting it out. We're putting that clip out before we did,
you know what I.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Mean, Like it was before we left.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. So so Robin
talk about it, man, like, what what was your thoughts
as you as everything happened? Because I knew when you
asked the question, I was very excited because I was like,
that's a good question. It was a great question. He
gave a great answer, and I knew that nobody else
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in the room would have thought to ask that question. So, uh,
talk talk, talk a little bit about your week man,
what it's been like seeing all of that.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Oh, honestly, like first it's it was just like so
first I'm gonna start off with the question. So when
I'm like standing there, you know, because I'll give you
know what, guys. First of all, let me give Darvo
part of this credit, because he's the one that told me.
Darbia's the one that told me that Donovan and Coco
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Jones they were recently engaged. And I'm like, oh wow,
like you know, I didn't realize this, so I hear
I go take a quick peek while everybody else is
asking their questions and I'm like, okay, well time is
ticking and it's now or never. So I'm like setting
here and my gears are turning and like the smoke
was definitely probably coming out of my ears.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But like.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Immediately, like I just went to try to ask the question.
And then gentleman that was taking him towarding him to
do his interviews, was like going to try to like say,
he was like, no more further questions, no more further questions.
And first and foremost Donovan, he was like, go ahead
and looked me dead in the face and told me
go ahead. And like, first of all, I just want
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to say thank you so much for being so humble
to Donovan Mitchell for allowing me that that spare time
to be able to even ask him that question. And
his message was absolutely beautiful. It was a chef's kiss
shout out to to his to his fiance, because girl,
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you won, you won, like you got to a good one.
And throughout the week or the last you know, the
last few days, I think my emotion since like, first
of all, I had to go to work immediately afterwards,
and I was so hyper at work at like I
could not keep my composure. I was telling everybody and
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I ended up calling my family and I was talking
to them and I was like, my Mom's like tell
my sister. She said, tell her what happened. And I
was like, don't talk to me. I am a celebrity,
do not talk to me. Like every day, like yesterday
at work, you know, my boss came up to me.
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You know, other other workers come up to me and
they're like, how does it feel? How it feel to
talk to him? And I'm like, oh my god, Donovan
is so humble he's chill. Honestly, all the cavaliers are
pretty chill. They're all really nice, respectful. Every year that
we go it's it's it's usually pretty nice, like all
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of them are usually pretty respectful and humble, but it
is it's been a it's been like I've been on
a high. I have been on a high of excitement
because yes, we have interviewed the cavaliers before, but this
time that that response, this was different because, like we
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always talk about Darby O is where we come from,
and even although we have interviewed them before, it's spreading
like wildfire. The way that it did. It was just
like wow, I just immediately imagine the little meat, little Robin,
like you know, living in you know in Cleveland, Ohio,
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and the freaking in the ghetto and the hood. You know,
we ain't got much, you know what I mean. Like
that's what I ended up picturing. And it's just like,
it's crazy to be in this position that I'm in
today and to even be like my voice is everywhere
TMZ shade Rum everywhere. It is insane. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was nuts, man, it was nuts.
That was that was pretty incredible to see that, especially
like how fast, Like there were people who, like I said,
they were capturing it and posting it before we did.
And I mean to see that that was That was dope, man,
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that was dope. Like it was. It was awesome, Like
and I'm scrolling on social media now, like that's how
I found out that it was out there because I
had just randomly, I was sitting in the car and
just checked into Twitter or x because that's what I do.
And then the first thing that pops up is Robbin's voice.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
I'm like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'm like, wait a minute. So then I started digging
and I started seeing it all all these other places,
and then I saw it at TMZ fifteen minutes after
they dropped it.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I'm like, yo, yes, and they enhanced my voice shout
out to TMZ, Yes, yes my voice. Mad respect for that.
I really appreciate that because y'all are not haters.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
That's not Yeah, so it was it was awesome. What
did your family have to say about it?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Oh my god, Like they are so excited about it,
like everybody, Yeah, that's my little sister, all my siblings
and my brother. He was like he showed his son
and his son was like, oh my god, like be
you know, It's like he was like be Donovan, b
Donovan Mitchell, like that's crazy. Yeah, so they're all pretty
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excited for me.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I love that.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I do.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I love that because, you know, celebrity of the family.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
What's funny, though, Darvia, I wasn't even like I was
on the fence of actually going. And I'm glad that
I went. And in the same day my car was
like being weird. So everything you had a rough day
had a rough more name. It was a rough morning
and it ended like amazing. It was a blessing after that.
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I didn't care what what went wrong. I didn't care
after that because what don't talk to me.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, it was awesome. It was awesome, man, So that
was that was dope. That was dope. I was really
really glad to see that. That was really cool and
it's just an awesome, awesome moment. And I'm glad you asked,
like I said, I I don't think anybody else would
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have would even thought to ask that question. Like when
I told you, we were just talking, you know what
I mean, we were just talking about what was going on,
and I don't think anybody else would have thought to
ask that question, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
So, yeah, and you weren't even ready. You were like,
I didn't even know you were going to ask the question.
You're like, I didn't even know, Like, yeah, neither did I.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I didn't so man, Like that was that was crazy?
Speaker 12 (29:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So it was. It was dope. It was dope. And
I'm really glad to see the reaction and everything. And
also like for me personally, being at media Day in
general is something I always appreciate because I think back
to maybe about seven years ago, eight years ago something
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like that. I was working with a station that shall
remain nameless, and part of when we first was, you know,
going over my deal and everything. One of the things
I asked them for was help on getting to Cavs
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Media Day, and they agreed to do it. And in
between which this has happened to me more than once
at Corporate Radio the times that I've worked worked with
Corporate Radio. Worked at Corporate Radio. Between that time between
the time of the sit down and the time of
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the launch, the person who I was originally talking to
was no longer there, and the guy who took this
person's role wasn't didn't necessarily take their place because they
was already there. But to this person's role, even though
they were sitting in the room when we originally had
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the conversation, had no interest in living up to their
end of the deal. And I remember myself and the
host of the sports show that I was producing at
the time, we went to Cavs Media Day thinking that
this guy had looked out and to make sure that
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we got in like he said, like everybody in the
room said they would. At that time, that guy we
got stopped at the door. I'm waiting for the guy
calling a guy calling a guy calling a guy. He's
not answering the phone. I see the guy. He totally
(31:23):
dismisses me, acts like he doesn't know what I'm talking about,
and then just blows me off with and I can't
help you. So me and the host of that show
had to turn around and do the walk of shame
(31:46):
to the car while we just got treated like chumps
in front of people. In front of my peers, several
people media people that I know personally were in the
room at that time. This was during the Lebron era,
(32:07):
so there was even more media than there was than
there is now. Even though there's always a lot of
media caves media day, but there was even more then
because this was during the Lebron era. And I've never
felt so dismissed and disrespected by someone who was supposed
(32:31):
to be a partner before. And so now you fast
forward a few years later, I get in KAVS Media
Day on my own accord. I don't need nobody to
help me get in. It's my company name on our badges.
(32:52):
So I'm already appreciative of being in the room in
the first place, because I I know, like you and
I was talking offline last night, I know how hard
it was to get in that room. I know what
it felt like to be standing right there and watch
(33:17):
someone who had access, who was supposed to be a
partner with you, earn his back and act like you
were insignificant. So just to be able to be in
the room is something that no one should ever take
(33:40):
for granted, and a lot of people do take it
for granted because a lot of people don't have that
experience that I have, a lot of people don't have
that feeling of I tried to get in here and
I was turned away, and not only turned away, made
(34:00):
to feel like I didn't matter. So you have that experience,
you get dismissed, you fight to get in the room.
Now you're in the room. Now you're talking to these
This is the two, three, four, This is the third
or fourth year. I believe it's the fourth year that
(34:25):
we've been doing this, the third or fourth year in
a row that we have been at CAVS Media Day. Right,
that alone is extremely significant to me. And I don't
think anybody who gets in that room who didn't have
(34:49):
to go through the humiliation that I did should always
appreciate and be grateful for being in that room. So
we're in the I fought to get in the room.
We've made it there, We've had conversations, we've interviewed. Before
they went to the new format, which is basically like
(35:11):
almost like round robin style, like where everybody everybody is
like press like press briefing style where the player stays
there and then everybody else asks questions. But before that,
we were having one on one time with him, and
the first time we interviewed Donovan, that same CALVS handler
that you mentioned before earlier tried to dismiss us, and
(35:35):
Donovan was like, no, I'm coming to talk to them,
and Donovan been a real one since he'd been here,
so we've been able to interview these guys, we've been
able to have them on our show, and now even
with the change in format, Robin asked the question the
(35:58):
one of not the only, but one of the only
questions that people are talking about outside of sports media. Actually,
to be honest, now that I think about it, the
only question that people outside of sports media are talking
(36:20):
about is the one that my co host asked. Don't
get no better than that?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Period, Yes, yes, yes, And you know, it's funny to
me because literally none of them were talking about it, nobody,
nothing up until I said that question, Up until I
asked that question, Like it was all about, like you
know what, everybody was there for basketball, and you can
(36:51):
see you can see how he was like, oh, you know, same, all, same, all.
He was like ready to get it over with. But
as soon as I asked him that question, that man
melted like a stick of butter when you brought up
his woman. Okay, he was happy as ever. And that
that is that actually is great looking back at the video,
(37:13):
that's great. That way it changed his energy, I'm sure
for the remainder of his time. He was then happy
because it was different.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
So in the meantime, what we're gonna do, We're gonna
go to break and we're gonna turn it over to
the Queen, Cleveland's Queen of Celebrity News as she gets
ready to take us to the world of celebrity news
with Tea Time with Roe.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 12 (37:42):
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come back here listening to the Outlaws.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And that was the time of the show that we
like to call it Tea Time with Row.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Turn it upation the latest celebrity news and gossip explation.
It's Tea Time with Row on the Outlaws radio show.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Oh y'all, the tea is hot. It is hot, It
is sizzling. So in case y'all did not know what
is going on, So if you don't know, you about
to find out. Nicki Minaj and Cardi B that's two
of the female rappers. They are at it again. They
(38:43):
have been going at it since like twenty and eighteen,
so it's like an off and on kind of battle
kind of thing. Well, back then, it was like a
little you know, little hits there, here, and there. So
this started originally. Give y'all a brief history. It started
originally back in around twenty eighteen when Cardi B's Bodak
(39:06):
Yellow first originally came out. That's when Cardi B made
her grand entrance. So Nicki Minar they didn't even speak yet,
so then all the fans started comparing the two. So
then next thing you know, these two started working together.
They were gonna do motorsport together, or did do motorsport together?
(39:26):
I should say, Well, Nicki Minaj, she made her own
line to motorsport and it seemed like it was a
dig at Cardi B in her own song, so she
was told to change her lines and she didn't like
that very much. So now these two started beefing. So
skip forward and they were they were doing over the years.
(39:49):
Over the course of the years, they were throwing jabs
at each other, a little hair and there, nothing you
know too much. But now here in twenty twenty five,
they're hitting below the belt. It has gone entirely too far.
So Cardi B dropped her album just recently called am
(40:10):
I the Drama. So right after she drops her album,
Nicki Minaj comes out the woodwork, and this girl starts
tweeting tweet and tweet and sweet and sweet, and she
is just saying all kinds of things about Cardi B.
Like she is talking about, you know, kicking Cardi B's
daughter culture, Like she said, I'm gonna kick her gums
(40:33):
back and call on culture ugly and just making all
these remarks about children, about Cardi B's children. So then
Cardi B gets the same, like, girl, why are you
coming for me all because I I just dropped my album.
You're jealous, That's all it is. You're jealous. So then
you know, when Nicki Minaj started making more remarks about
(40:56):
her child, then Cardi B starts throwing jabs back at
Nicki Minaj's son, Papa Bear. So, Papa Bear is nonverbal.
I don't know for sure, but he I'm gonna guess
that he is potentially autistic. And so she started throwing
(41:18):
jabs at her, saying, well, if you weren't doing you know,
coke and this, and that he wouldn't be fed up.
And it's just your fault that your son's favorite color
and you know, his favorite color is five, and like
they're just throwing jabs at each other. Then it switches
over to Nicki Minaj starts going after rock Nation, then
she starts going after the guys on TMZ, she starts
(41:40):
going after jay Z and all this girl is tripping.
She is tripping. Both of them hit below the belt.
They both wrong for going after the kids first and foremost.
But Nicki Minaj, I don't know what's going on with this,
but something something right.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
So the I don't even take no joy in none
of this, you know what I mean, Like, it's not fun.
It's just not I don't know what in the world,
(42:23):
Like why why did it have to go there? Why
did they have to involve the kids? Like why why
even take it there? You know what I mean? Like,
I just I don't understand it. I don't understand it.
It gets to a point where it's like why is
(42:45):
this necessary? Why is it necessary? Why does it have
to why does it have to go to that? Like
don't talk about each other kids, man, don't don't talk
about each other kids.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Yeah, it shouldn't go it should not go to that extreme.
It really shouldn't. Like I don't understand why she like,
I don't know. I don't know, Like, don't come for
my kid because.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Not because.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
I'm gonna have to see you outside.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Well, And that's exactly I was about to say. When
you do that, it goes to that like where else
do you go from there? Right? And that was one
of the things CARTI was saying, Well, like you talked
about my kids, so you got to see me outside
like there is like you talk about somebody kids, especially
in such a public form like that, it's gonna be
(43:42):
a problem.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Ooh.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
And then she say she say, Quavo, was it worth it?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Dummy?
Speaker 5 (43:48):
No career take off's gone. Remember you told me you
were the Beyonce of the group. I laughed so hard inside. Anyway,
pay offset his alimony, Barney B. She calls her Barney
Barney B.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, like she's.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Going after offset Quevo, jay Z, Gail King like Beyonce,
Mona Scott like she going.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
And we're not even gonna get and we're not even
gonna get no good music out of this because like
they're not even making songs. They just talking trash on
X you know what I mean. Yeah, So I'm like, ah, man,
it just it's just I don't understand it. I don't
(44:42):
understand it. It just it drives me nuts. To see this,
especially to see how it escalated, you know what I mean, before,
like you might be able to look at it as entertainment,
before it got so serious. But when they started, when
they because they both did it, when they started throwing
insults at each other's kids and all that, it's just
(45:04):
too much. It's just too much, man. And I just
the toxicity. I just don't understand. I don't know, man,
I just don't understand the point. I don't understand what
this does, what this proves. How Like, I just I
don't know. I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Because it is not about proving anything. Some people, what
do they say, Misery loves company And honestly, I like
Nicki Minaj's music. I like Cardi B's music. I mean,
both of them are very talented, very talented individuals. Had
(45:44):
they would have been able to work together, they would
have been unstoppable. But you know, you know what, sometimes
one person or another they can't see somebody else in
the spotlight, and so they will they will try to
tear your name down. They will try to come after
(46:05):
you or take you out of the spotlight. Hence, Cardi
B's album just dropped and she was in the Spotlight.
She was doing phenomenal numbers were going up and then
here comes Nicki Minaj. Now, guess who is in the talk.
Guess who who's being talked about more Nicki Minaj. So
(46:25):
she she succeeded at what she you know, her goal was.
And so now it's just like it's just petty. It's
real petty and women, like we'll use a prime example,
like it was it Kendrick Lamar and what what Drake?
(46:49):
You know, when they were going at it, you know,
it was all music, you know what I mean, Like
they was doing music and they was back and forth,
back and forth, but theirs was different, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yea, they went too far too but at least it
was music.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
Right, They did go pretty far. It was pretty deep,
but there's was music and at least we have some
good songs out of it. You know. With this, it's
just like women are like cats. They are they're not
They're unpredictable and they are feisty and they will they are.
(47:34):
Why do you think they call it cat fight?
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah? Yeah, I just I don't know where you go
from here, now, you know what I mean, Like I
don't know, I don't know if you can ever come
back from that at this point, but which is unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
There's been comments made where, you know, allegedly, I can't
say whether or not, you know, allegedly, you know, Cardi
B was saying, you know, things about about black women
and you know, things that was not very nice at
all to say. But you know, so that's what Nicki
Minaj has been carrying, you know, carrying on about and
(48:12):
saying like, oh that she was calling black women roaches
and monkeys, and she's like, oh, you know, you're crazy,
et cetera, et cetera. You know, and they're just going
back and forth and then I don't I don't really know,
but I just think I think that people need to
learn their place. And you know, like you know that
(48:33):
there is a limit. There is a line that you
do not cross. There's a line you do not cross.
And you are here, and you are here for one thing.
You are here to make music. You are here to
you are achieving your goals that you once set out
to do. Like you know what I mean. Like they
both they both started from nothing and they came up
and they are now successful. But instead of living their
(48:56):
best lives, they are at each other's next and throwing
jabs at each other's children and other individuals, family members,
talking about daddy's and everything else, like ain't no way,
ain't no way. Well, who said it?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (49:11):
Cardi bing one of her songs talking about B words
be pressed, like I can't say it online, you know,
I can't say it on the radio. But she say that.
She said, yeah, you know, Like, so don't.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Don't come for us, don't come for us.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
We not, No, I'm just quoting a song, all.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Right, don't come for us too.
Speaker 5 (49:31):
I love both of them, so yeah, they just I
just I hope that they can find a middle ground,
the silver lining, if you may. Yeah, because this is
this is out of hand. There's way worse things going
on in the world, and y'all two fighting with each
other and coming at each other's children. We got bigger
(49:54):
things that we need to worry about. And give us
some good music. We need that, okay, the good music.
Right now? The world is falling apart, okay, like the
government is shut down and we're at war in different
areas and it's just a mess. We need good music,
(50:18):
all right.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
We're about to run out of time here. We got
time for one more, all.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
Right, So the other one is just a quick overview.
I'm not going to touch up on it real quick,
you know too much. So as we know, it's been
a talk for a good while of P Diddy, you know,
he have the allegations and such that we have spoken before.
But you know, Cassie did write a letter you know,
(50:45):
as the coming of when the trial does happen. So
she wrote a letter like begging the judge, you know,
not to let him out, and you know, giving her reasons,
saying she's had she's having nightmares, you know, and she's
scared for her life, et cetera, et cetera. I can't
really go over the whole thing because you know, we're limited.
(51:09):
But Jane or whoever her name is, like, she's I
don't know her name. She was supposed to testify against
him as well, but she wrote a letter to the
judge stating that she actually does not want to testify
against him. She is writing on his behalf rather than
against him. She did, and the beginning of all of
(51:31):
this state that she, you know, she said she was
forced and she was coerced to say that he did
this and he did that, and she said, he did
not force me to do this. It was not forced.
And so now she's writing a letter saying that. He
also wrote a letter to the judge stating that he
has changed, he's learned his lesson. He's he's a better man,
(51:53):
and he does regret his decisions that he has done
in the past against Cassie and other But yeah, so
that is a little touch up on what is going
on with that. Right now we are waiting to see
wherever this goes next.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, I hope he did learn learn something from this.
You know, a lot of times, man, you know, God
is so gracious. He gives you chance after chance after
chance after chance after chance to get it right. And
sometimes when you continue to do wrong, you know, eventually
(52:36):
you get caught up in that. And regardless of whatever
happens to Diddy's career moving forward from this, like, it'll
never be the same. He'll never be the same, He'll
never be viewed the same. You know, he's done permanent
damage to the image that he has spent you know,
(52:58):
thirty years building, to the career that he spent thirty
years building. There's been multiple times where you can tell
that there were things that happened in his life that
were warning signs for him to get himself together, and
he wasn't. He wasn't listening to the signs, and so
(53:19):
eventually you get caught up. So I hope he learns
from this. He has contributed a lot to music and
to the culture and to you know, the joy that
a lot of us have had from hearing his music
and seeing the company that he built and everything like
(53:40):
that and all the influence that came from that. But
at the same time, you got to know, man, well,
God trying to get your attention. You need to be
You need to be listening. You know. Don't wait until
that phone go to voicemail, God calling you. You need
to pick it up because eventually your chances are gonna
(54:01):
run out and you're gonna get caught up. So let
him know how to follow you, miss Olly.
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(00:52):
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we need a drum roll. I need the next time
I'm going to invest in a drum roll so we
can play a drum roll right here, because apparently we
have royalty in the building. Now we have Cleveland's Queen
(01:15):
of celebrity news, Robin O'Malley. We're gonna talk a little
bit about what happened this week that gave her the
new title, But miss O'Malley, how are you?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Thank you? I am great. Takes a bow, I am,
I am phenomenal, DARBYO. It has been a very interesting
week for me. Definitely has been.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, yes, you've had a couple, You've had a couple
of those since you've been on this show, but this
week really really took the cake. So we're gonna talk
a little bit about it later on in the show.
But we cover Cavs media day and Robin asked the question.
(02:06):
We'll get into it later. Robin asked the question Donovan Mitchell,
the Cleveland Cavaliers star player, and about his h his
engagement to R and B singer Coco Jones, and that
got picked up and covered everywhere, and there was a
(02:28):
lot of places where you were hearing Robin's voice asked
that question. So it was it was it was really
really dope, really really dope. And so we're going to
get into it in a little bit here, but first
we have an interview that we're gonna get to right now.
All right, we have a very special guest on the
(02:49):
show today. She is running for Cleveland Municipal Court Judge
Nicki McGowan. Welcome, to the show.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
How you doing, Oh, thank you so much for thanks,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
I'm doing well, awesome, I'm excited for this experience.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for joining us. I really
appreciate it. So talk a little bit before we get
into the race and everything. Talk a little bit about
your your background leading up to this, your work experience,
what you what you've been doing leading up to this point.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Sure, thank you.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
While I've been a public defender my whole legal career,
I've actually been with the office in twenty fourteen as
a law clerk and then I loved it so much
working with the people.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
And the work that I, you know, decided to stay on.
They hired me. Fortunately enough.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
I started in the juvenile division, where I represented parents
against children family services and then also children that were
charged with delinquency crimes. And then I transferred to the
missile division, and I've been there a majority of my career,
and I've practiced in every courtroom, including miscible court. I've
handled about four thousand cases while i've been here, and
(04:04):
it's just been a great experience every day, especially my
work with the treatment dockets has been really fulfilling professionally,
and personally too.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So what made you decide to run for judge? What
made you want to do that?
Speaker 7 (04:25):
So it's just not about being a judge for me,
you know, because I've gotten that question, Oh, you just
want to be a judge. I ran specifically for this
seat because I'm in this courthouse every day. I know
the needs of the people, and I know how the
court can help people if they're linked with the right services.
And I think that Clevelan Missipal Court is the first
(04:47):
place that someone can get the assistance or resources that
they need so they don't have for further involvement with
the system. So you know, I've heard comments like, oh,
you'll be a judge someday somewhere, but I think that's
losing sight of why I decided to do this and run.
It was because it was to run for Cleveland Municipal Court,
(05:08):
a place where i'm every day and a place where
I enjoy working.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Talking with Nick McGowan, was running for cleveand Municipal Court judge.
And if and when you're elected, what what do you
think you would bring to the bitch. What are some
of the some of the skills that you have, some
of the approaches that you have. What what do you
want to bring to the bench.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I think experience and the right experience.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
I think it's truly unique to be able to stand,
you know, next to my clients and really know, you know,
what they're facing and what you know, resources that they
need to assist them in their lives. And I think
especially being a public defender, you know, most judges are
former prosecutors. There's not many judges that are on the
(05:57):
bench that are public defenders.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
And I just think that we're able to bring, you.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Know, particular experience that no one else truly knows about
unless you're standing there, you know, in that courtroom trying
to advocate for someone every day. In addition to that,
you know, I've handled every single docket in Cleveland, Missipal Court,
and I don't think people realize how many dockets Cleveland
particularly has. We have the treatment dockets that human trafficking,
(06:28):
the Veterans Court, drug docket, mental Health Court docket. In
addition to we also have a brandon All docket, We
have an APL docket, we have a tax docket.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
We have a three B, three D and three C docket.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
So just being in all those dockets with that experience
being in front of every jurist. I just truly think
that that brings unique experience that I don't think anybody
else has in this race.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So let's talk about you, your experience as a public defender.
Why do you think that's important for people who may
not know or may not be able to connect the dots.
Why do you think it's important to have someone on
the bench that does have the public defender experience.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
So when clients are walking into or any individuals walking
in the justice center, this is the worst day of
their life, and they're bringing with them, you know, outside
issues that they have that people don't know about or
don't consider unless you're truly representing them, and you know,
(07:37):
having conversations, and you know, people aren't coming in with
the name badge saying all the issues that they've had,
whether that's homelessness, or their license is suspended, or they
got mental health issues or drug issues.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
So representing these people, it's not just cases for me.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
These are individual people with individual challenges. And so when
you experience this every day, I think that truly brings
the other perspective. If you are to be a judge
sitting on the bench, maybe it's not known what that
person is experiencing when they're standing there. But just because
(08:15):
I've represented all these individuals and know all the challenges
that they're facing, I just have a I feel like
public defenders have a comprehensive, more comprehensive picture than you know,
maybe a former prosecutor or even a defense attorney. So again,
I just think that we're more it could be more thoughtful,
(08:38):
more compassionate, just because we're seeing the other side every
day and they're just not you know, a case number
on a docket which just charges next to it.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
You know, these people are truly experiencing things.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
That no one knows unless you know you've represented them
and you know, formed professional relationship with them.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We're talking with Nick mcgallan, who's running for Cleveland Municipal
Court judge. And during your time as a public defender,
I know we've talked about this before offline, to talk
about like one or two experiences that you had that
was like a win for you, not necessarily a win
in terms of like the outcome of the case, but
(09:22):
seeing someone someone's life change, someone getting themselves together, Like
talk a little bit about some of the experiences the
positive experiences that you've seen during your time as a
public defender.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Sure, definitely, I think as a public defender, for me,
it's it's you know, not about also some big jury
trial win. I mean, obviously those are great for the
clients and obviously you know, great professionally for myself. However,
for me, it's the little things that are like truly
truly wins every day, you know, whether or that's someone
(09:59):
coming back to court with their insurance or now their
license is fully reinstated, or now they were required to
get you know, their dog license and their dog neutered
and the insurance so now they can keep their animal
it doesn't have to be forfeited to the APL Or
they've you know, come in and now they're graduating from
drug court or veterans court, and they're standing up there
(10:21):
with their family and now they've got gainful employment and
they're clean and their med compliant, and their families are
there and they've established their relationships again. Those are just
truly wins for me every day, because I truly see
how that's that's more impactful for them in their daily
lives than you know, some big jury trial win or something.
(10:43):
For me, I mean, obviously we have those too, and
obviously that's good for the client if they get not guilty,
But for me, it's the little things or maybe they
got their record expunged and now they're able to get
that the job that they always wanted.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
So all those little.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
Instances just add up for me and just make have
made this a rewarding career, a professional experience.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So talk a little bit about what made you decide
to go into this profession in the first place, When
did you know that this is what you wanted to do,
and just talk a little bit about your journey how
you ended up at the Public Defender's office.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
So actually, just totally it wasn't planned.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
I was in my last year law school and we
were required to complete an externship. And you know, my
dad's been an attorney for fifty years now and he
has a defensive criminal defense attorney private how so I
had it to ta this externship and I couldn't work
with him. So he said, oh, let me let me
drive you down to the Public Defender's office.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Maybe I can get you in.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
There, and so he did, and then I just fell
in love with it. I worked with wonderful people they're
out here grinding every day, representing people to the fullest
and advocating for them. And it's truly a great place
to work. And I just I just wouldn't have it
(12:16):
any other way. So it was totally happenstance. But like
I said, it's a great place to work. And don't
colleagues and I don't get a lot of credit, but
that's okay. We don't do it for that, and we
just do it to advocate and represent clients and make
sure that their rights aren't being violated.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We're talking when Nick McGowan, who's running for Cleveland Municipal
Court judge, and for people who are just getting to
know you or just being introduced to you, if there's
one or two things that you would want them to
know about you, what are those things?
Speaker 7 (13:00):
I think that I just show up every day. I
have the experience. I think I have the right experience.
Like I said, I've handled all the different dockets in
the court. In addition to that, you know we have
in the neighborhood warrant recalls, we have expungement clinics, we
have licensing and statement clinics, and I attend those routinely
and I think those are important too. These are things
(13:22):
that impact the individual's clements of a court the most,
and I just think that it's important to have experienced judges,
but also the right experience, but not only that, above
and beyond that, if you were to ask anybody my
reputation in the court, I think that they would say,
I'm always prepared, I'm always pleasant, no matter who it
(13:44):
is that I deal with, whether it's a guy that
presses the elevator on the first floor the Justice Center,
or the blue shirt bailiffs, the personal bailiffs, the judges,
the journalizers, the court reporters, everybody in the court. I
just always tried to to be respectful, mindful, and.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I just think that that that's the most important.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
I think at the end of the day, if you're
coming into a courtroom, like I said, it's could be
the worst, the worst time for someone in their life.
And so when you come into a courtroom and you
have a judge that's respectful and open minded and patient
and listening and have empathy, I think that's what matters
(14:31):
the most. And I'm hoping that I would bring that
to the bench.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
We're talking with Nick mcgallan, who's running for cleveand municipal
Court judge. And as we get ready to wind down here,
there is a question that I like to ask people,
particularly candidates for office that come on the show, that
has nothing to do with.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
The job that they're running, that they're seeking, but it
gives a little bit of insight to who the person is,
because voters want to know when they're making their decisions,
they want to know who the who the person is.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So I'm going to ask you this very tough and
hard hitting question, Nikki. Are you ready?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Oh? I'm ready?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, what is on your playlist?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Okay? What do I mostly listen to?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
O my favorite band?
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Okay, it's Tool, And I know, I know that.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I feel like.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
People say that Tool fans could be the most annoying
fans of any genre. But yes, but I also like
nineties hip hop, but I typically all genres of music.
I actually was listening to Motown like last time that was,
you know, a couple of days ago. But it's all
over the place, but primarily it's yeah, cool, we'll mix everything.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
I like the question though.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:03):
So finally, as you're running through this office, your first
time candidate, talk a little bit about what the experience
has been like in a general in a general.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Sense of running for the office, what it's been like
to interact with the voters and and all that good stuff.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
It has been challenging but also rewarding.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I would say, I'm not a politician, and I know
the judges are elected. However, I just try to show up,
you know, at each event and with voters, and just
try to just talk about my experience and every day.
And I just think that comes from my heart. So
again I said, I'm not a politician. I will say
(16:47):
this though, the amount of support that I've received, obviously
from a close family and friends, but in the legal
community has been probably the most rewarding and complimentary.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
It really keeps me going. When I hear you know
how I.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Think you're the most experienced, or you're really doing you
know well out there. I think that really truly keeps
me going. But again, this experience has been definitely eye opening,
and yeah, I just I just take it day by day.
And again I just want to let everyone know that
I have been supportive and have expressed it to me.
(17:33):
I truly truly appreciate it. Again, it's what keeps me going,
and every text or phone call or letter or you know,
donation or whatever it is, how they ever, however they
may help, I truly mean it smaller, big, and again
it's just what keeps me going.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Let everybody know how to follow you on social media.
They want to keep up with what you got going on,
how to get information on your campaign and all that
good stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Uh do you have a Facebook page? Instagram? Ni coming
out in for Judge is my website? Yes?
Speaker 7 (18:09):
Please like, follow, share, We got yard signs. We're gonna
have a lot of activities coming up in October. And again,
I just want to let everyone know I am truly
appreciative of the support. It almost makes me emotional thinking
about it. I just don't know how I'll ever be
able to like thank everybody that's helped me so far.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So thank you all right, and thank you so much
for coming on the show and spend some time with us.
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Stay tuned. We have more to come here on the Outlaws.
Tell Alexa to play the Outlaws radio show.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Here.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
It is from my Heart Radio, Real Talk fel Conversations.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
We got the heat. Hell yeah, this is the radio
show Welcome Back, Welcome Back, and listening to the Outlaws.
And as I alluded to earlier, well, first of all,
I want to send a special shout out to Nicki
McGowin for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. So,
(19:17):
as I mentioned earlier, Robin asked a question of CAPS
Media Day to Cleveland Cavaliers all star Donovan Mitchell about
his engagement to Coco Jones, And before we go any further,
I'm gonna play I'm gonna play that question right now.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
You see what you were recently.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Congratulation man, that's my dog. I love her to death.
She's she's amazing, She's an amazing human being. She brings
me peace.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
And you know, I got to spend time with her
on tour with something that was very unique because you
realize that she travels and works just as hard as
we do on the tour bus, up late night, up
late nights. She's a special human and you see it
in her work. And to be able to call her
my fiance my wife is a blessing.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
So I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Now if you've noticed, if you notice when it played,
you heard a little at the beginning, right because it
was on TMZ. Her voice is on TMZ right now.
So last I checked, I saw this. I saw the
(20:44):
question and answer or some variation of at TMZ, People Essence, NBA,
the Shade Room, Hollywood Unlocked, I think, and and Hoops Hype.
(21:08):
It was that Hoops Hype and several others, several others.
It was on Yahoo. I saw it on Yahoo News
as well. That was crazy. That was that was crazy,
Like I've never uh, We'll take that back. I have
seen something like that before because we tend to do
(21:29):
that on this show, but for it to happen so quickly,
I think it was a surprise because that thing was
out by the time we left the arena. People were
putting it out. We're putting that clip out before we did,
you know what I.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Mean, Like it was before we left.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. So so Robin
talk about it, man, like, what what was your thoughts
as you as everything happened? Because I knew when you
asked the question, I was very excited because I was like,
that's a good question. It was a great question. He
gave a great answer, and I knew that nobody else
(22:14):
in the room would have thought to ask that question. So, uh,
talk talk, talk a little bit about your week man,
what it's been like seeing all of that.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Oh, honestly, like first it's it was just like so
first I'm gonna start off with the question. So when
I'm like standing there, you know, because I'll give you
know what, guys. First of all, let me give Darvo
part of this credit, because he's the one that told me.
Darbia's the one that told me that Donovan and Coco
(22:48):
Jones they were recently engaged. And I'm like, oh wow,
like you know, I didn't realize this, so I hear
I go take a quick peek while everybody else is
asking their questions and I'm like, okay, well time is
ticking and it's now or never. So I'm like setting
here and my gears are turning and like the smoke
was definitely probably coming out of my ears.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But like.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Immediately, like I just went to try to ask the question.
And then gentleman that was taking him towarding him to
do his interviews, was like going to try to like say,
he was like, no more further questions, no more further questions.
And first and foremost Donovan, he was like, go ahead
and looked me dead in the face and told me
go ahead. And like, first of all, I just want
(23:29):
to say thank you so much for being so humble
to Donovan Mitchell for allowing me that that spare time
to be able to even ask him that question. And
his message was absolutely beautiful. It was a chef's kiss
shout out to to his to his fiance, because girl,
(23:50):
you won, you won, like you got to a good one.
And throughout the week or the last you know, the
last few days, I think my emotion since like, first
of all, I had to go to work immediately afterwards,
and I was so hyper at work at like I
could not keep my composure. I was telling everybody and
(24:12):
I ended up calling my family and I was talking
to them and I was like, my Mom's like tell
my sister. She said, tell her what happened. And I
was like, don't talk to me. I am a celebrity,
do not talk to me. Like every day, like yesterday
at work, you know, my boss came up to me.
(24:32):
You know, other other workers come up to me and
they're like, how does it feel? How it feel to
talk to him? And I'm like, oh my god, Donovan
is so humble he's chill. Honestly, all the cavaliers are
pretty chill. They're all really nice, respectful. Every year that
we go it's it's it's usually pretty nice, like all
(24:52):
of them are usually pretty respectful and humble, but it
is it's been a it's been like I've been on
a high. I have been on a high of excitement
because yes, we have interviewed the cavaliers before, but this
time that that response, this was different because, like we
(25:13):
always talk about Darby O is where we come from,
and even although we have interviewed them before, it's spreading
like wildfire. The way that it did. It was just
like wow, I just immediately imagine the little meat, little Robin,
like you know, living in you know in Cleveland, Ohio,
(25:34):
and the freaking in the ghetto and the hood. You know,
we ain't got much, you know what I mean. Like
that's what I ended up picturing. And it's just like,
it's crazy to be in this position that I'm in
today and to even be like my voice is everywhere
TMZ shade Rum everywhere. It is insane. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was nuts, man, it was nuts.
That was that was pretty incredible to see that, especially
like how fast, Like there were people who, like I said,
they were capturing it and posting it before we did.
And I mean to see that that was That was dope, man,
(26:14):
that was dope. Like it was. It was awesome, Like
and I'm scrolling on social media now, like that's how
I found out that it was out there because I
had just randomly, I was sitting in the car and
just checked into Twitter or x because that's what I do.
And then the first thing that pops up is Robbin's voice.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
I'm like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'm like, wait a minute. So then I started digging
and I started seeing it all all these other places,
and then I saw it at TMZ fifteen minutes after
they dropped it.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I'm like, yo, yes, and they enhanced my voice shout
out to TMZ, Yes, yes my voice. Mad respect for that.
I really appreciate that because y'all are not haters.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
That's not Yeah, so it was it was awesome. What
did your family have to say about it?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Oh my god, Like they are so excited about it,
like everybody, Yeah, that's my little sister, all my siblings
and my brother. He was like he showed his son
and his son was like, oh my god, like be
you know, It's like he was like be Donovan, b
Donovan Mitchell, like that's crazy. Yeah, so they're all pretty
(27:33):
excited for me.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I love that.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I do.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I love that because, you know, celebrity of the family.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
What's funny, though, Darvia, I wasn't even like I was
on the fence of actually going. And I'm glad that
I went. And in the same day my car was
like being weird. So everything you had a rough day
had a rough more name. It was a rough morning
and it ended like amazing. It was a blessing after that.
(28:08):
I didn't care what what went wrong. I didn't care
after that because what don't talk to me.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, it was awesome. It was awesome, man, So that
was that was dope. That was dope. I was really
really glad to see that. That was really cool and
it's just an awesome, awesome moment. And I'm glad you asked,
like I said, I I don't think anybody else would
(28:40):
have would even thought to ask that question. Like when
I told you, we were just talking, you know what
I mean, we were just talking about what was going on,
and I don't think anybody else would have thought to
ask that question, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
So, yeah, and you weren't even ready. You were like,
I didn't even know you were going to ask the question.
You're like, I didn't even know, Like, yeah, neither did I.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I didn't so man, Like that was that was crazy?
Speaker 12 (29:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So it was. It was dope. It was dope. And
I'm really glad to see the reaction and everything. And
also like for me personally, being at media Day in
general is something I always appreciate because I think back
to maybe about seven years ago, eight years ago something
(29:30):
like that. I was working with a station that shall
remain nameless, and part of when we first was, you know,
going over my deal and everything. One of the things
I asked them for was help on getting to Cavs
(29:53):
Media Day, and they agreed to do it. And in
between which this has happened to me more than once
at Corporate Radio the times that I've worked worked with
Corporate Radio. Worked at Corporate Radio. Between that time between
the time of the sit down and the time of
(30:17):
the launch, the person who I was originally talking to
was no longer there, and the guy who took this
person's role wasn't didn't necessarily take their place because they
was already there. But to this person's role, even though
they were sitting in the room when we originally had
(30:37):
the conversation, had no interest in living up to their
end of the deal. And I remember myself and the
host of the sports show that I was producing at
the time, we went to Cavs Media Day thinking that
this guy had looked out and to make sure that
(31:00):
we got in like he said, like everybody in the
room said they would. At that time, that guy we
got stopped at the door. I'm waiting for the guy
calling a guy calling a guy calling a guy. He's
not answering the phone. I see the guy. He totally
(31:23):
dismisses me, acts like he doesn't know what I'm talking about,
and then just blows me off with and I can't
help you. So me and the host of that show
had to turn around and do the walk of shame
(31:46):
to the car while we just got treated like chumps
in front of people. In front of my peers, several
people media people that I know personally were in the
room at that time. This was during the Lebron era,
(32:07):
so there was even more media than there was than
there is now. Even though there's always a lot of
media caves media day, but there was even more then
because this was during the Lebron era. And I've never
felt so dismissed and disrespected by someone who was supposed
(32:31):
to be a partner before. And so now you fast
forward a few years later, I get in KAVS Media
Day on my own accord. I don't need nobody to
help me get in. It's my company name on our badges.
(32:52):
So I'm already appreciative of being in the room in
the first place, because I I know, like you and
I was talking offline last night, I know how hard
it was to get in that room. I know what
it felt like to be standing right there and watch
(33:17):
someone who had access, who was supposed to be a
partner with you, earn his back and act like you
were insignificant. So just to be able to be in
the room is something that no one should ever take
(33:40):
for granted, and a lot of people do take it
for granted because a lot of people don't have that
experience that I have, a lot of people don't have
that feeling of I tried to get in here and
I was turned away, and not only turned away, made
(34:00):
to feel like I didn't matter. So you have that experience,
you get dismissed, you fight to get in the room.
Now you're in the room. Now you're talking to these
This is the two, three, four, This is the third
or fourth year. I believe it's the fourth year that
(34:25):
we've been doing this, the third or fourth year in
a row that we have been at CAVS Media Day. Right,
that alone is extremely significant to me. And I don't
think anybody who gets in that room who didn't have
(34:49):
to go through the humiliation that I did should always
appreciate and be grateful for being in that room. So
we're in the I fought to get in the room.
We've made it there, We've had conversations, we've interviewed. Before
they went to the new format, which is basically like
(35:11):
almost like round robin style, like where everybody everybody is
like press like press briefing style where the player stays
there and then everybody else asks questions. But before that,
we were having one on one time with him, and
the first time we interviewed Donovan, that same CALVS handler
that you mentioned before earlier tried to dismiss us, and
(35:35):
Donovan was like, no, I'm coming to talk to them,
and Donovan been a real one since he'd been here,
so we've been able to interview these guys, we've been
able to have them on our show, and now even
with the change in format, Robin asked the question the
(35:58):
one of not the only, but one of the only
questions that people are talking about outside of sports media. Actually,
to be honest, now that I think about it, the
only question that people outside of sports media are talking
(36:20):
about is the one that my co host asked. Don't
get no better than that?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Period, Yes, yes, yes, And you know, it's funny to
me because literally none of them were talking about it, nobody,
nothing up until I said that question, Up until I
asked that question, Like it was all about, like you
know what, everybody was there for basketball, and you can
(36:51):
see you can see how he was like, oh, you know, same, all, same, all.
He was like ready to get it over with. But
as soon as I asked him that question, that man
melted like a stick of butter when you brought up
his woman. Okay, he was happy as ever. And that
that is that actually is great looking back at the video,
(37:13):
that's great. That way it changed his energy, I'm sure
for the remainder of his time. He was then happy
because it was different.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
So in the meantime, what we're gonna do, We're gonna
go to break and we're gonna turn it over to
the Queen, Cleveland's Queen of Celebrity News as she gets
ready to take us to the world of celebrity news
with Tea Time with Roe.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 12 (37:42):
You're listening to the Outlaws, true sir, out put welcome back,
come back here listening to the Outlaws.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And that was the time of the show that we
like to call it Tea Time with Row.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Turn it upation the latest celebrity news and gossip explation.
It's Tea Time with Row on the Outlaws radio show.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Oh y'all, the tea is hot. It is hot, It
is sizzling. So in case y'all did not know what
is going on, So if you don't know, you about
to find out. Nicki Minaj and Cardi B that's two
of the female rappers. They are at it again. They
(38:43):
have been going at it since like twenty and eighteen,
so it's like an off and on kind of battle
kind of thing. Well, back then, it was like a
little you know, little hits there, here, and there. So
this started originally. Give y'all a brief history. It started
originally back in around twenty eighteen when Cardi B's Bodak
(39:06):
Yellow first originally came out. That's when Cardi B made
her grand entrance. So Nicki Minar they didn't even speak yet,
so then all the fans started comparing the two. So
then next thing you know, these two started working together.
They were gonna do motorsport together, or did do motorsport together?
(39:26):
I should say, Well, Nicki Minaj, she made her own
line to motorsport and it seemed like it was a
dig at Cardi B in her own song, so she
was told to change her lines and she didn't like
that very much. So now these two started beefing. So
skip forward and they were they were doing over the years.
(39:49):
Over the course of the years, they were throwing jabs
at each other, a little hair and there, nothing you
know too much. But now here in twenty twenty five,
they're hitting below the belt. It has gone entirely too far.
So Cardi B dropped her album just recently called am
(40:10):
I the Drama. So right after she drops her album,
Nicki Minaj comes out the woodwork, and this girl starts
tweeting tweet and tweet and sweet and sweet, and she
is just saying all kinds of things about Cardi B.
Like she is talking about, you know, kicking Cardi B's
daughter culture, Like she said, I'm gonna kick her gums
(40:33):
back and call on culture ugly and just making all
these remarks about children, about Cardi B's children. So then
Cardi B gets the same, like, girl, why are you
coming for me all because I I just dropped my album.
You're jealous, That's all it is. You're jealous. So then
you know, when Nicki Minaj started making more remarks about
(40:56):
her child, then Cardi B starts throwing jabs back at
Nicki Minaj's son, Papa Bear. So, Papa Bear is nonverbal.
I don't know for sure, but he I'm gonna guess
that he is potentially autistic. And so she started throwing
(41:18):
jabs at her, saying, well, if you weren't doing you know,
coke and this, and that he wouldn't be fed up.
And it's just your fault that your son's favorite color
and you know, his favorite color is five, and like
they're just throwing jabs at each other. Then it switches
over to Nicki Minaj starts going after rock Nation, then
she starts going after the guys on TMZ, she starts
(41:40):
going after jay Z and all this girl is tripping.
She is tripping. Both of them hit below the belt.
They both wrong for going after the kids first and foremost.
But Nicki Minaj, I don't know what's going on with this,
but something something right.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
So the I don't even take no joy in none
of this, you know what I mean, Like, it's not fun.
It's just not I don't know what in the world,
(42:23):
Like why why did it have to go there? Why
did they have to involve the kids? Like why why
even take it there? You know what I mean? Like,
I just I don't understand it. I don't understand it.
It gets to a point where it's like why is
(42:45):
this necessary? Why is it necessary? Why does it have
to why does it have to go to that? Like
don't talk about each other kids, man, don't don't talk
about each other kids.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Yeah, it shouldn't go it should not go to that extreme.
It really shouldn't. Like I don't understand why she like,
I don't know. I don't know, Like, don't come for
my kid because.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Not because.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
I'm gonna have to see you outside.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Well, And that's exactly I was about to say. When
you do that, it goes to that like where else
do you go from there? Right? And that was one
of the things CARTI was saying, Well, like you talked
about my kids, so you got to see me outside
like there is like you talk about somebody kids, especially
in such a public form like that, it's gonna be
(43:42):
a problem.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Ooh.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
And then she say she say, Quavo, was it worth it?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Dummy?
Speaker 5 (43:48):
No career take off's gone. Remember you told me you
were the Beyonce of the group. I laughed so hard inside. Anyway,
pay offset his alimony, Barney B. She calls her Barney
Barney B.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, like she's.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Going after offset Quevo, jay Z, Gail King like Beyonce,
Mona Scott like she going.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
And we're not even gonna get and we're not even
gonna get no good music out of this because like
they're not even making songs. They just talking trash on
X you know what I mean. Yeah, So I'm like, ah, man,
it just it's just I don't understand it. I don't
(44:42):
understand it. It just it drives me nuts. To see this,
especially to see how it escalated, you know what I mean, before,
like you might be able to look at it as entertainment,
before it got so serious. But when they started, when
they because they both did it, when they started throwing
insults at each other's kids and all that, it's just
(45:04):
too much. It's just too much, man. And I just
the toxicity. I just don't understand. I don't know, man,
I just don't understand the point. I don't understand what
this does, what this proves. How Like, I just I
don't know. I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Because it is not about proving anything. Some people, what
do they say, Misery loves company And honestly, I like
Nicki Minaj's music. I like Cardi B's music. I mean,
both of them are very talented, very talented individuals. Had
(45:44):
they would have been able to work together, they would
have been unstoppable. But you know, you know what, sometimes
one person or another they can't see somebody else in
the spotlight, and so they will they will try to
tear your name down. They will try to come after
(46:05):
you or take you out of the spotlight. Hence, Cardi
B's album just dropped and she was in the Spotlight.
She was doing phenomenal numbers were going up and then
here comes Nicki Minaj. Now, guess who is in the talk.
Guess who who's being talked about more Nicki Minaj. So
(46:25):
she she succeeded at what she you know, her goal was.
And so now it's just like it's just petty. It's
real petty and women, like we'll use a prime example,
like it was it Kendrick Lamar and what what Drake?
(46:49):
You know, when they were going at it, you know,
it was all music, you know what I mean, Like
they was doing music and they was back and forth,
back and forth, but theirs was different, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yea, they went too far too but at least it
was music.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
Right, They did go pretty far. It was pretty deep,
but there's was music and at least we have some
good songs out of it. You know. With this, it's
just like women are like cats. They are they're not
They're unpredictable and they are feisty and they will they are.
(47:34):
Why do you think they call it cat fight?
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah? Yeah, I just I don't know where you go
from here, now, you know what I mean, Like I
don't know, I don't know if you can ever come
back from that at this point, but which is unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
There's been comments made where, you know, allegedly, I can't
say whether or not, you know, allegedly, you know, Cardi
B was saying, you know, things about about black women
and you know, things that was not very nice at
all to say. But you know, so that's what Nicki
Minaj has been carrying, you know, carrying on about and
(48:12):
saying like, oh that she was calling black women roaches
and monkeys, and she's like, oh, you know, you're crazy,
et cetera, et cetera. You know, and they're just going
back and forth and then I don't I don't really know,
but I just think I think that people need to
learn their place. And you know, like you know that
(48:33):
there is a limit. There is a line that you
do not cross. There's a line you do not cross.
And you are here, and you are here for one thing.
You are here to make music. You are here to
you are achieving your goals that you once set out
to do. Like you know what I mean. Like they
both they both started from nothing and they came up
and they are now successful. But instead of living their
(48:56):
best lives, they are at each other's next and throwing
jabs at each other's children and other individuals, family members,
talking about daddy's and everything else, like ain't no way,
ain't no way. Well, who said it?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (49:11):
Cardi bing one of her songs talking about B words
be pressed, like I can't say it online, you know,
I can't say it on the radio. But she say that.
She said, yeah, you know, Like, so don't.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Don't come for us, don't come for us.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
We not, No, I'm just quoting a song, all.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Right, don't come for us too.
Speaker 5 (49:31):
I love both of them, so yeah, they just I
just I hope that they can find a middle ground,
the silver lining, if you may. Yeah, because this is
this is out of hand. There's way worse things going
on in the world, and y'all two fighting with each
other and coming at each other's children. We got bigger
(49:54):
things that we need to worry about. And give us
some good music. We need that, okay, the good music.
Right now? The world is falling apart, okay, like the
government is shut down and we're at war in different
areas and it's just a mess. We need good music,
(50:18):
all right.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
We're about to run out of time here. We got
time for one more, all.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
Right, So the other one is just a quick overview.
I'm not going to touch up on it real quick,
you know too much. So as we know, it's been
a talk for a good while of P Diddy, you know,
he have the allegations and such that we have spoken before.
But you know, Cassie did write a letter you know,
(50:45):
as the coming of when the trial does happen. So
she wrote a letter like begging the judge, you know,
not to let him out, and you know, giving her reasons,
saying she's had she's having nightmares, you know, and she's
scared for her life, et cetera, et cetera. I can't
really go over the whole thing because you know, we're limited.
(51:09):
But Jane or whoever her name is, like, she's I
don't know her name. She was supposed to testify against
him as well, but she wrote a letter to the
judge stating that she actually does not want to testify
against him. She is writing on his behalf rather than
against him. She did, and the beginning of all of
(51:31):
this state that she, you know, she said she was
forced and she was coerced to say that he did
this and he did that, and she said, he did
not force me to do this. It was not forced.
And so now she's writing a letter saying that. He
also wrote a letter to the judge stating that he
has changed, he's learned his lesson. He's he's a better man,
(51:53):
and he does regret his decisions that he has done
in the past against Cassie and other But yeah, so
that is a little touch up on what is going
on with that. Right now we are waiting to see
wherever this goes next.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, I hope he did learn learn something from this.
You know, a lot of times, man, you know, God
is so gracious. He gives you chance after chance after
chance after chance after chance to get it right. And
sometimes when you continue to do wrong, you know, eventually
(52:36):
you get caught up in that. And regardless of whatever
happens to Diddy's career moving forward from this, like, it'll
never be the same. He'll never be the same, He'll
never be viewed the same. You know, he's done permanent
damage to the image that he has spent you know,
(52:58):
thirty years building, to the career that he spent thirty
years building. There's been multiple times where you can tell
that there were things that happened in his life that
were warning signs for him to get himself together, and
he wasn't. He wasn't listening to the signs, and so
(53:19):
eventually you get caught up. So I hope he learns
from this. He has contributed a lot to music and
to the culture and to you know, the joy that
a lot of us have had from hearing his music
and seeing the company that he built and everything like
(53:40):
that and all the influence that came from that. But
at the same time, you got to know, man, well,
God trying to get your attention. You need to be
You need to be listening. You know. Don't wait until
that phone go to voicemail, God calling you. You need
to pick it up because eventually your chances are gonna
(54:01):
run out and you're gonna get caught up. So let
him know how to follow you, miss Olly.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
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Speaker 1 (54:18):
And you can follow me at DDA Kingpinn everywhere that's
d T H E K I N G p I N.
One more time shout out to NICKI mcgonawa for coming
on the show. We really appreciated. We are out of here.
We'll see you next week. This was produced by FCV
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