Co-Host Frenesa Hall, MD with guest Lyn Koonce of Circle Sounds

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Speaker 3 (00:38):
Well, hello everyone, thank you for joining me. Patty is
off today visiting family, so it's just briansk Hall, MD,
as Patty likes to say. And I am thrilled to
have my friend and bandmate, Lynn Koontz joining us today.
Thanks for coming.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Absolutely glad to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
So, you know, I want to start by filling in
some blanks that I have. So I know you, you
know you went to school for music, but I don't
know when did you start this music thing? Like when
did you get interested start playing singing and all that?

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Okay, so music in general you're talking about, oh the
whole of it? Okay, Well, you know, as a As
a tiny kid, I came home I think I was
in first grade, and they were offering violin lessons at
my school, and I came home and told my mom
I wanted to play violin, and uh, she kind of thought, well,
that well that will that'll pass, you know, that's a

(01:46):
and I and I was assistent, you know, and so
long story short, we we. I began to take violin
lessons and loved it. And then in third grade I
started taking piano lessons. And so while lots of my
kids were outside playing right after school, I would have
to come home because Mom said a pretty strict strep

(02:09):
I guess have it for me of continuing to go
to school. As soon as I come home, I do
my practicing and do my homework, and then I could
go out to play. So I spent a lot of
time playing violin and piano and elementary school, and then
when I went into junior high or middle school, I
joined chorus. And that was really my first foray into

(02:33):
any kind of choral singing, and I absolutely loved it
and it was something that I excelled at. And I
realized that as I began to help other kids in
the class know their notes and that kind of thing.
Because I had a background and understanding music, reading and
that kind of thing that I loved teaching it. So

(02:55):
I went to you know, into college for music education
and then went back for a master's in coal conducting.
So that's that's really so much of what I've done
is music, thankfully. I don't know how much I do otherwise.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Or so when did the guitar, Oh, I'm along guitar?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, I asked for a guitar for Christmas when I
was fourteen, and I got it. Santa brought it and
I had one lesson and because I had so much
musical background, I remember telling my mom, he goes too slow.
I want to myself with probably because they had had

(03:39):
spent so much money on lessons with the other two instruments.
They're like, okay, you teach yourself. And it worked and
it wasn't anything that card. I understood the basics. So
I've never really taken lessons with guitar, but just played
it and love it.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Uh huh. Well, you know, you learned a piano and
you kind of you understand chord structure, can correct figure
it out, so so so the the it sounds like
the vocal part and even the teaching part really keen

(04:16):
naturally to you.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
It did, it really did. I knew early in high
school that I wanted to go to school for music
education with a with a principal. With my principal instrument
and voice, I knew I would never be a Chopin
or a Beethoven as far as piano was concerned. And violin,

(04:40):
we moved from North Carolina to Rhode Island and I
lost my good, uh wonderful violent teacher after seven or
eight years, and so violin kind of went by the wayside.
But and and piano, I always loved learning a piano
by year as well. So even though I was taking lessons,

(05:01):
you know, Mozart would kind of become the Beatles, and
my mom would yell from the other room. You know,
it would be I would be playing some Mozart sonata.
It would turn into twenty years a dow a day.
And that was not that was not something that she
recommended I do much, but it was. It was always
a love of mine to figure out things by ear,

(05:23):
and so I was fortunate to have that skill and
then have the kind of academic background of music as well,
and childs of which have served me, sherved me pretty well.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, well, okay, so now you've gone to college, You've
gone and got an advanced degree in music education vocals.
How did you get from there to Circle Sounds? I mean, oh, wow,

(05:56):
a lot, that's you know. I mean it's like that
there's not a I mean, at least I look listen
to your history and I don't see you got from
there to Circle Sounds. But how did that progress? I mean,
I know you've got at least a couple of albums
that you've done on Spotify. We're in a band together,

(06:21):
which is fun for grens and giggles. You recently did
the music arranging for a multi I don't know how
you describe it. Vocal, spoken word, musical, oh, sort of

(06:42):
radiographer piece. I mean, you've done all these other things
that don't seem related to Circle Sounds, which will explain
what that is shortly, But it didn't seem like where
did that come from? Because you seem like you're on
this one path and then Circle Sounds came in.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Right. That's a great question because even though they're music related,
they seem very far away from each other. So because
I have had an ear for music. I always liked
to make things up. So improvisation, whether it was on
guitar or piano or whatever it was, or even vocally,

(07:22):
was always something that I was playing around with.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
And I liked.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Some musicians who were extremely talented really prefer to have
the sheet music in front of them at all times.
That's their comfort and that's what they really excel at.
And that's that's not something that I really excel at.
I could do it, but really playing by ear and
making things on the spot has always been a favorite

(07:47):
thing of mine. And it was yes, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
He like to throw me on the spot all the time.
I know we were going to go that way. Practice, practice,
just just play.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Something that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you have more
in your bones, in your DNA maybe than you think
you do. If you if you just jump off the cliff,
it's just music, and you don't get better really until
you make a bunch of mistakes. So well then I

(08:26):
should be great. That goes from that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
So okay, so walk through.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
This, yeah so I So. While so I graduated from college,
I did some teaching in the public schools. I would
loved elementary school general music, and I taught for a few.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Years and then somehow ended and got myself involved in
in radio and I worked as I worked as a
radio producer and commercial writer for a number of years,
for over fifteen years. And while I was doing that,

(09:10):
I also had a church music job. So I've had
a church music job for many, many years, in fact,
over twenty five until recently, and so that always kept
me in my music lane, so to speak. And after COVID,
well let me back up. So while I was in

(09:31):
the last fifteen years working in a sort of in
the radio business, I was beginning to cultivate a career
as a singer songwriter, and in twenty eighteen really moved
into that lane. I left the radio station and I thought,
this is something I've always wanted to do. In fact,
when I was in college, I was supposed to be

(09:53):
practicing Italian arias, and I would go to my dorm
room and play you know, Dave Taylor and Carol King
and some more modern story and that's really what I
wanted to be doing, would be on the road. But
I didn't have any I didn't have any role models,
and I don't think I was confident enough to just
go out and do it. So by twenty eighteen, I thought,

(10:16):
I'm going to try this. It's something I've always wanted.
So I went to a bunch of songwriting retreats that
whole year and wrote a bunch of songs and got
kind of familiar with the voice faculty or the music
faculty at these different places all over the country and became.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Sort of.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Kind of focused just on the singer songwriter life. So
I traveled around the Southeast quite a bit and things
were going well. I opened up for the Indigo Girls
and songs were getting I had just made a new
album in Nashville, and then, of course COVID happened in
twenty twenty and everything came to an abrupt So while

(11:01):
I was in twenty twenty one, while I was sort
of spinning around trying to figure out what in the
world am I going to do now? I still had
my church job, but I needed I knew that the
music business was going to be very very different. Venues
had closed, ticket sales were going up, and at my
level of what was something I found I thought could

(11:23):
be sustainable. So a friend of mine had said, hey,
I spent last year a week up at Omega Institute
in New York. Last year was Bobby McFerrin doing some
circle singing, and I knew about Bobby and his improvisational work,
and it was like a fire was lit and I

(11:45):
immediately began to come introduced to an international community of
people who do circle singing literally all over the world.
And I joined an online course through some guys in
Brazil called Music Theaticles. So I took the online course
and then the last part of that training was in Brazil,

(12:06):
so I strengthened my international community there, and I started
really realizing that doing improvisational singing and circle singing and
having people do that from all walks of life, coming
in forming a circle and then asking people to make
sound and create things on the spot was really an absolute,

(12:30):
sort of dormant passion of mine. And so when I
came back from Brazil in twenty twenty three, I thought,
how could I as an educator. As a facilitator, I
knew that this would be a really effective activity for people,
whether they're working in companies or organizations or in communities,

(12:52):
as a way of introducing sort of this interactive experience
that builds trust, it deepens connection, and it bridges people together.
And you can kind of create that for healing healing
seminars or healing workshops all the way into corporate America
that wants to work on higher productivity and lower turnover

(13:14):
and higher engagement. So you can really create a beautiful
improvisational experience that incorporates music and movement and rhythm and
sound to inspire connection that really helps build stronger teams,
build trust, it builds collaboration, And that's where it's at
for me right now. I am That's what I do

(13:38):
full time is work with companies and organizations and communities
and healing workshops to bring to bring healing in one
aspect and then to bring vulnerability and connection and stronger
teams in the other aspect.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Okay, so it sounds like once you sort of got
introduced to this, I mean, I mean, we all knew
Bobby McFerrin from you know, don't Worry, Be Happy and
so forth, but it sounds like it's sort of just
cut through everything and grabbed you if you just like

(14:23):
you just immersed yourself in it, and it absolutely did,
and it was just the thing that you didn't know
it's the thing you didn't know you really really wanted
to do.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
That's that's right. And the kind of fun thing about
it is that I'm creating this on my own. I mean,
I have created a business now out of It's called
Circle Sounds, and and so that's kind of a proud
moment as well as I'm building this thing that doesn't
really exist and has value in both the professional and

(14:59):
the personal, and in both professional and personal avenues.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Oh, I mean, it sounds like it's pulling together all
of the experiences that you've had in music and something
that you've uh, like you said earlier, was something that
appealed to you anyway, which was just making stuff up,
just going with it and that you know, yeah, and
it's just like, okay, well let me just do this.

(15:25):
I mean, it's well, I mean, and you know.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Me well enough to know that I do that in
my in my life in general, I'm cooking in the
kitchen and I'm making up songs with my dog or
I'm uh, you know, I really do love to make
up things on the spot. And when I can do
that with music, there's no better feeling for me. And

(15:50):
then to be able to offer that to other people
and it be it be valuable and healing for them
and to create laughter and connection. There's there's no better
play for me.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
And we're and this isn't something that requires musical experience
or knowledge or anything. You just show up as you
are and do it, which is a very I think
it's a very foreign thing for most people. I mean,

(16:26):
I think you know, a lot of people play sports,
a lot of people play an instrument, but it's more
formal or structured, right, It's something you see on TV.
You know, you see people performing their instrument or they're
in a band or or whatever, and so people understand that.

(16:51):
I know from having done you know, circle time with you,
I find it. I feel way more vulnerable doing it
than playing basketball in college, playing in a band, even

(17:15):
when we you know, and I accompany you on your gigs.
It's even more uncomfortable. It's more uncomfortable than that.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
That's just.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Kind of took me a bit to get used to
not being in a band situation and performing, but to
be so upfront playing with you and singing, you know,
playing and singing singing is really you know, anxiety producing
for me in that setting. But I always have my guitar,

(17:50):
you know. But in Rome we did circle sounds. You know,
it's me, maybe a couple of people I know, maybe
a bunch of people I do not know, and and
you're getting out there making sounds and fancying around and
you know, body percussion, and it's just I mean, I

(18:14):
have to say every time I've done it, it's always
been uncomfortable, just.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
To be honest with me, just like, well, it doesn't
seem like it if that makes me feel better.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
It doesn't know, Okay, well let's feel like I can
fake it well enough? Yeah, yeah, you know, I kind
of get in there and I go, okay, you know,
just just do it, and you know, don't worry about
feeling silly or thinking you sound you know, terrible, or
you can't remember what the sequence of the collapse and

(18:52):
things are. And you know, it's just very for me,
just very self conscious about it, and you know, more
so than their things. And so you know, how you
apply that in the school versus a corporate setting team building?

(19:15):
I guess how do you get people to do it?
You know, I mean, I know, I mean I wanted
to support you and see what you were doing, you know,
but you know, my friend, but you know, how how
do you how does that work in uh, in these settings?

(19:38):
Being to get people to to buy into it. I mean,
I think I see the benefit. I am, but you
know that's a big hump for a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Sure, sure, uh, well we start with a very low,
low risk activity. But even before that, if you can
allow or let people know that the first thing that
you're going to do is create psychological safety. That you're

(20:13):
going to create a safe space, a brave space, that
there are no mistakes, and that we are simply exploring
what it means to be present. That's the overarching umbrella
is we're going to practice being present because we can't act.
Whether you're in a corporation or in a community choir,

(20:36):
but we can't really be in the future, and we
can't be in the past. We have to be right now,
in a minute, what is the problem that's happening, what
it needs to be solved right now, and practicing improvisation
and making things up in the moment and allowing yourself
to be vulnerable. Provided you have creative, this idea of

(20:58):
psychological and reality, a psychological safety and trust, people will
step up. They'll step up Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
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Speaker 3 (23:50):
Okay, folks, here we go. Just before the break, we
were talking about a circle sound and Lenny were saying, know,
because my question was how do you get people to
to buy in to really participate? I mean, I know
how uncomfortable I was. Maybe I faked it very well.

(24:10):
But and you were talking about first creating a safe
space where there no mistake, where people can just be,
and then you touched on being present, and I think
that you know that in and of itself is a
healing modality for where out lacks the better word, because

(24:37):
if you're in the moment, you're not worrying about the
past or the future. You're there and it's peaceful place.
And I think it's something we all need to work on,
being present in the moment with whatever it is we're doing,
and being in your body in the moment.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
So thank you for saying that.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yes, I mean that in and of itself is a
healing activity, largely because when you are worrying about the
future or concerned about the future or ruminating over the path.
You're creating a specific chemical environment in your body that's

(25:22):
not good for you. It's more on the fight or
flat end of things. Between the present moment and you're
safe and everything's okay, you're creating a very different physical
environment in your body, chemically, hormonally, all of that. And

(25:43):
so you know, I think that you know when you're
starting from there, you know, I would imagine that a
lot of amazing things can happen. So tell us, tell
us more, walk us through the process of doing this,
because I want people to to be able to under
and how this can apply for their school or their

(26:04):
work space, place for their organization.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Right. I'm so glad you touched on getting out of
our into our body because that is a strong proponent
of circle founds. So at the core of circle founds
is it is a practice or a philosophy of connecting
one another and to ourselves through sounds, so presence and trust.

(26:34):
As I talked about creating that space of psychological safety,
it's the first thing that I do. So literally what
happens is this is mostly in team building situations. So
most people hire me for Hey, I need you to
come and open up an event and take them a
little bit deeper, or maybe close an event, or maybe

(26:56):
something after lunch, I can you know this circle sounds
can go from an hour into a half day retreat
for that matter. But we first start with that sense
of psychological safety and so people know, Okay, I'm standing up,
I'm going to be involved in this team building saying ahaw. Generally,

(27:18):
I will say that ninety nine point nine percent of
the time people walk away was feeling like Okay, we
did build and deepen some trust, and we did enhance
some communication. We created a sense of belonging through this
kind of safe, inclusive space and developed And the biggest
thing that happens in corporations and in organizations is it

(27:41):
people will work in cubbies or in what are they
called I just lost my words, but they're they're working
in an open space where they have coworkers who they
haven't really had a conversation with, and this is an
opportunity for them to engage with their co workers in

(28:01):
ways that they never have and all of a sudden
they've oh, well, I didn't know that about you, and
I didn't know that about you, and all of a
sudden there's a stronger sense of relationship that happens in
the workplace. So we stand in a circle, and as
I said, I'll start with kind of low hanging fruit.
I just go around and ask for for folks to

(28:22):
just make a sound, any sound. It could be back who,
hot seat, whatever it might be, just to get them
used to being silly kind of in the moment. I mean,
we're focusing on that present moment. And then and it
builds from there. We have to the end where I

(28:42):
have groups, and I've had groups as large as one
hundred and fifty people or as small as five or
six people. I work with teams that really at any
number level. But often we'll break up groups and have
them give them ten minutes to go off and create
a quote piece of music, and they have to use
their body percussion, their voices, movement, gestures, and what happens

(29:08):
is you begin to see some shared leadership. And that's
also a core tenet of circle sounds. It might be
a music improvisation exercise, but all of a sudden you
begin to see leadership happening. And that's something of course
that corporations and organizations want to see and people maybe
that don't generally stand up to do that. If they're

(29:31):
feeling safe and they want to share their ideas, they
have a place to do that. So all of a
sudden you have leaders begin to kind of leave the groups,
and there's lots of laughter and there are lots of
funny things happening. But people are creating in a way

(29:52):
that they never create together. And so there's that idea
of while they're embracing that spirit of play and creativity,
they are creating that sense of belonging and inclusivity, and
they're and they're they're building strong relationships and certainly.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Trust, certainly trust. And you know, there is something to
be said about playing. I mean, it's something that we
don't do as adults. And I think that's one of
the reasons why I love my friends being around my
friends a kid so much, because we just play. I mean,
we just stupid stuff and you know, or we go

(30:33):
shoot baskets or we're playing with the legos or you know,
playing red light green Light. That's one of our favorites.
But you know, as an adult, you don't play like
you did, right, you know, And I think that you know,
that's maybe maybe playtime needs to be built into work.

(30:53):
You know, I mean funny say that.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Mean yeah, you know, I mean playing and having fun.
I mean again, you know it is changing your physiology.
Tell me that's way more positive than just work. And
I'm glad you said that, you know. And and if
you're playing together, you know, a lot of your barriers

(31:21):
come down and people get to see the full you.
Whereas maybe what you were going to work before, you know,
you were presenting who you think people want to see, yes,
or projecting an image that you wanted to project. But
when you're doing this kind of activity, all of that

(31:42):
kind of falls to the wayside.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Absolutely, and yes, and I'm so glad you talked about
the whole the whole person, because that's what happens when
you allow yourself to be present. You bring more of
your whole self to the activity. And imagine what an
advantage that is in an organization. To innovate, we have

(32:08):
to leave our head and move into our body, which
brings our whole self to our work or or to
our life. So innovation is that it's a huge part
of this activity.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, And being able to let go of all the
stuff because it just it weighs you down, and it
sort of tins you down and doesn't allow you to,
you know, stay fully spread your wings. But hold that thought.
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Speaker 3 (35:15):
Okay, just before that break, we were talking about how
people show up authentically and it brings their whole selves
to these activities because you're in a safe space and

(35:36):
you've got permission to just be and to be present
in the moment as you are. And I mean, I
think it's a powerful experience. For some people, they probably
never showed up to work, you know, as their authentic self.
You know, we spend so much time projecting an image

(35:59):
that we want or that we think is wanted, and
we want to fit that bill. But in these activities,
all of that falls to the wayside once you start
grunting and clapping and dancing around, right.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Grunting, Yes, thank you for that. We were talking also
a little bit about innovation, and that's that's the word
that I like to use, because I think we begin
to when we leave our head and move into our body.
That's when we bring our whole self because you when
you're when you're using your feet, when your hands and

(36:35):
your head and your heart and your physical body, you
were embodying that idea of the whole self. Right. So
I think music because I use music because that's my background.
It connects us to our humanity and and whether you're

(36:55):
in the time of peace or derision, I think it's
a great way to bridge any kind of relationship. Music
is just one of those ways that can do that.
And so I feel really excited to be able to
use the thing that I love most, music and bring
that into kind of the education or the organizational setting

(37:20):
and pull it all together. How can we bring our
whole selves using music and then the things that we
talked about earlier that begin to happen. We build, and
we deep in trust, and we enhance communication, all of
which has a benefit to the bottom line for organizations.
You know you want higher productivity, Well, if you want

(37:41):
higher productivity and increased employee engagement, they have to feel
good about where they are and what they're doing. And
in a way to do that is to come to
the table with your team, let go of all your work,
just come as yourself.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I don't bring any instruments, and all the instrument that
you need is your voice and your body. And people
get to just be in the moment. And I think
that's something.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
That that many of us don't do. We're too busy
worrying about the past the future that we we miss
the moment that we're in. And I think this is
a big relief for people because it's it's foreign because

(38:33):
we're so busy. We're on our phones, we're on our
computers where you know, we are doing this, we're you know,
checking the box of all the things we have to
do today, and we and then if we're not doing that,
we're just being distracted and you know, looking at the
TV and just kind of you know, zoning out. And
so often we're we're that's the last thing that people

(38:57):
are doing, being present in the moment, in the skin
that they're in, and feeling their body and being in
touch with their body. And it's so interesting because you know,
I'm taking a quote from a shamanism and this is
a big piece of it as well, being in touch

(39:20):
with in that moment and being aware of the narrator
in your head, you know, saying crazy stuff to you
and kind of you know, holding that narrator but not
letting it drive the bus. I'm right unconscious and we're
just reactive to the world. But it's not based on

(39:45):
what is going on in the moment. It's like something
happens and you know, people just knee jerk it because
there are automatic pilots.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Right. You use the word reactive, and that's exactly Yeah,
that's exactly what happens. And so when we do bring,
we do bring that whole self. If you're willing to
come into the circle and be present, throw the rest,
allow yourself to play, allow yourself to have fun, allow

(40:17):
yourself to feel silly. You wouldn't believe the kinds of
outcomes that happen, and into collective intelligence that's.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Going on there.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
If you've got you know, twenty or thirty people bringing
allowing themselves to kind of be fully present, imagine the
things that you can do on a regular basis. If
you say, hey, the next week, remember that thing that
we did last week of circle funds. Let's bring that
kind of spirit into this meeting or into this project
what we're working on. And the other thing is is

(40:48):
how healthy part of circle sounds is creating sound, and
sometimes we do singing depending on the comfort level of everybody,
but there's some singing involved. And the social brain and
music is so powerful when when we sing together, when
we play together in that kind of present manner, we

(41:14):
we we activate uh many many different parts in our brain,
which which is a positive thing. Of course, our empathy
circuits and the oxytocin or that that love or trust
lovemone is activated. Right the cordisol level goes down, which
is that stress level.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Are doing this.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Kind of improvisation helps with language structures and communications fields.
And then of course there's the dopamine hit of which
is that reward field of when you're singing together and
creating harmony or creating parts even in ways that with
people that you don't know well or in ways that
you've never done before. It is very very powerful.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, and music just being as you said earlier, it's
such a it's such a connector. It doesn't matter what
your politics or race or gender or whatever, just not
all of that faults of the wayside through music. And
and you know, you've come with me to blues jam,

(42:19):
you know, and you just show up and you kind
of just play. You know, it's it's kind of similar
in the sense that you show up and you don't
know what's going to happen, and you're just thrown into
this group, random group. But you know, I love the
physical benefit that you're describing, and that to me is

(42:41):
something that people need to do more of. Getting the
cortisol down, you know, that's huge, and being in that
present moment and being able to play. And you know,
I think when you can take that back to your
work environment, You've got a level of trust now with
your with your team, and when you trust, you can

(43:09):
step into being more of your authentic self when you
show up to work, because more comfortable, well, but with
the people that you're working with, and so you know,
you can bring your team together, you can do great things,
and you can particularly do great things when nobody well

(43:30):
you don't care about who gets the credit for it,
you know, and that's one of the beauties of being
on a team because the collective effort. And of course
that eight minute segment has flown by. We're going to
have to take a break, folks, but we will be
back with Lyn Kutes of Circle lind kuns Music dot
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Speaker 3 (46:30):
Okay, everyone, France k Hall MV here with Lynn koons
uh Lin of Lynn Kuhn's music and Circle Sounds, and
we were like, I don't remember what we were talking
about at the break, but what I would would like
to do for you to talk about is what are

(46:52):
people getting from it? I mean, we've talked about the
physiology and being present and trust and so forth, So
what you know, what are people saying about the experience,
and and also go into you know what, uh types
of organizations you've you've worked with.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Okay, Yeah, So one of the things that I was
going to share before the break is we were talking
about our whole selves, bringing our whole selves and the
activity of Circle Sounds. One of the things that I
love about is so much beyond bringing our whole selves
and uh it being sort of a place where you
can throw away any pre conceived notions of what you're

(47:34):
supposed to do because we're just we're just acting on
the spot. Is that we all start on the same plane.
It's one reason that we're in a circle, there's no hierarchy,
and so from from CEOs to the newest hire, you know,
you can have the same people in the circle and

(47:57):
we're all we all are starting at the same plane.
So yeah, even even even the work of Bobby mcferen
where he talks about personal language, we kind of use
something called vocables where we are creating our own sounds
like do do I hey.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yo wa y yo.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
You know, we're just making up things, just like a
baby mic. And that takes that takes in this case
English off the table, so that the words that mean
one thing to me might mean something else to you.
So we create a level playing field for everyone. And
I think that's also something that creates that psychological safety

(48:36):
and allows people to bring their whole self. But the
work that that I do spans across university staffs and
church stops. I do work in I just finished for
a Healing through Music and Movement symposia that was for

(48:57):
caregivers who work with first responders and veteran So we
were helping to give strategies to gear to caregivers how
they can help first responders and veterans. Some of the
things that are that are said after a Circle Sounds
event or experience, the first thing that said was that

(49:17):
was fun. That's I get that across the board. That
was really fun. I wasn't sure what I thought about it.
I felt a little funny or I felt vulnerable, but
it really was fun. The second thing that happens is
that people I think I shared this earlier, is that
people begin to realize things about their about the other

(49:38):
people in the group that they didn't know. If they're
a group of strangers, if it's a community event that
I'm holding and just people show up and they don't
know one another, they have a connection and some people
had become friends through a couple of different Circle Sound sessions.
If it's a group at work, a team event, people

(50:00):
are strengthening their relationships through this kind of activity because
they're seeing other sides, They're seeing that whole self of
their coworker, and it becomes a real a topic of interest,
the topic that they refer back to. And so other
folks have said that it feels healing, that it feels

(50:23):
like therapy. I work with an organization called called Arts Now,
which means I work with classroom teachers to help them
integrate music into their curricula. And one of the schools
that I work with occasionally is a residential school where
kids have had emotional trauma in their lives. And I

(50:44):
was doing an exercise in my circle film's group with
humming and talking about the benefits of humming and how
it activates the para sympathetic nervous system and what that
can do to help calm you low pitches and low
frequencies of humming. And I had one kid come up
to me and said, hey, miss Lynn, I wanted to
punch so and so in the nose the other day.
But I went back to my room and I did

(51:06):
that humming thing that you talked about, and it really
helped me.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
That's that's awesome. I mean that alone, for a kid
to learn some self regulation, right, I mean, that's powerful
until you know you're working with kids, and you know,
I mean, it's so funny. I have said, there's so
many things I wish I had learned as a kid,

(51:33):
and you know, just something as simple as humming to
just make you feel better so that you can then
you can make You know, what happens is if you're upset,
your cognitive prefrontal cortex is not getting engaged very well.
So if you can have the wherewithal to hum, calm

(51:57):
yourself rown, then you can access all all of your
brain to decide what you need to do next instead
of being impulsive, you know, with your narrator ego, whatever,
drive in the bus. Now the real you can be
in charge, you know, of what you do. And I
think that's an important lesson for everyone. And I mean

(52:23):
in this day and age right now, people are acting
out all over the place. I mean, Jesus, just stop
and hum for a minute and chill out, you know,
makes a better decisions about what you do next, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
And that's another example of practicing. Doing something that helps
you be present is humming. You're not thinking about tomorrow
or yesterday. You are right there in the moment humming
and those low sequencies really really help as a calling agent.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Well that's that's fabulous. Well we've we've got just a
few minutes left. Any last thoughts air with everyone? How
to reach you? I mean, this is something that I
think would be of benefit to any group and any
group that wants to be more effective, and so how

(53:14):
to how do folks get to you? And final thoughts?

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Well, first, of all, thank you for having me. I
have really enjoyed chatting with you today. And I know
we're friends, and I know you've had this show, and
this is the first time I've been on, so I
really appreciate the opportunity to talk about Circle Sounds and
to talk with you about the the what I feel
like is a real benefit for groups and whether it

(53:43):
be like I said, universities or community groups or organizations corporations.
People can reach me through my website. I have a
contact form there, Lynn Coots Music and that's l y
n k o o ncmusic dot com. It's really about
way and you. When you're on the website, you can
also read a little bit more about about Circle Sounds.

(54:06):
It's under or organization's facilitation, for lack of a better word,
how I work with with groups. There. I also have
to do some vocal coaching and and do some performing
as well, so people can learn all about that on
link uses dot com.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
That's right. You can book book you and I can
accompany you and play the bass. There we go sing along.
It gets both of us.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
I hope we'll hear a strom this.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
That would be fun. That would be that would be great. Fun.
We haven't had a gig in a while, or do
or do we're supposed to do that's right November, But yeah,
I know it's busy, and so you know, I think
that I'm hoping that people really hear how this and

(54:59):
I think particularly in the difficult times we have in
the country with a lot of people, a lot of division,
you know, and ultimately we are more alike than we
are different. And when we can take an opportunity to
do something like Circle Sound and get past all the

(55:23):
facade and the bs and the things that don't really
matter and just be present, you know, space with other
people and see, you know, we can work cooperatively even
if we're coming from vastly different backgrounds, and and make
that work experience, you know, just better all around, more productive,

(55:45):
you know. And I mean, how wonderful to be able
to be your whole self when you show up to
work and be accepted and be just fine. I mean,
I think it's powerful. I think it's a great lesson

(56:07):
for kids because there's so much pressure to conform, you know,
particularly for young women. So thank you for joining me today.
I've enjoyed, I've learned more about you and what you do,

(56:28):
and I think that you know, this is something that
we actually really really need more of in our society
today to help sort of get rid of some of
these barriers that we have and to be able to
really connect with people. And connection is not just getting along,

(56:54):
it's actually better for your health and your overall well being.
So while this, you know, doesn't sound like a health
and wellness activity, I truly believe that it is and
really is. And if you can bring that to your organization,

(57:19):
you have to have some bottom line benefits. So I
appreciate you coming and and the time just flies so fast,
and I would love for us to get a gig
out of this. That would be so much fun. I mean,
you can go. You can see Linn here Lynn's music

(57:40):
on Spotify and that's l y n one in cone
k o O n t E and uh listen to albums,
some lovely lovely tunes. And and also you know, we're
in a band. I forgot to mention that we're in
a band called Taboo Zoo and you can check that

(58:01):
out at Taboo sou band dot com. And you know
will come and play for you as well, that's right,
And you know, and you know it's so music is
just that's true. But you know, music really is such

(58:23):
a such a wonderful thing. I mean, I told you
about my my Foray two Motorcycle Club, you know, and
how you know there was no one in there like me.
Let me just say, and it was so much fun.

(58:44):
And people came up to me that if they had
seen me on the street would probably never even spoken
to me, came up to me giving me hugs, you know, like,
oh that was great. You know, when are you coming back?
You know.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
It's just so that's what Circle fis does, the same
thing we have.

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