Co-Host Frenesa Hall, MD with Guest Chaitali Patel

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Speaker 3 (00:41):
Well, hello again, it's Arnessa ky Hall, MD. Patty is
off for the whole month of June. In the meantime,
I want to welcome my guest, Chaiali Patel, nurse practitioner
that I know from Atlanta who has all these cool

(01:02):
things that she does helps people, has helped many of
my clients, clients that we share, and I'm excited to
have her on today and we're going to talk about
one of the new modalities that she's offering in her
clinic called EBOO for short, it's extra corporal blood oxygenation

(01:24):
and ozonation. It's mouthful, but first child, thank you for
joining me.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Absolutely, thank you, doctor Hall. I'm you know, happy to
assignment with you on the radio show and it's a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
So you know, let's start with just your background, because
you know I have Last year when you gave me
your whole sort of story of getting where you are today,
I was just blown away. So just give us some
background where you grew up and how you got to

(02:01):
the States to go to college, you know, because it's
just it's pretty amazing. I mean, at least at least
I think so.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yes, of course I'll be happy too.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
So my name is tarn Telli.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
I was born and raised in Zambia, which is in Africa. Uh.
Funny story. The reason I always follow up with it's
in Africa is my first day here as a college
student on campus, one of my instructors that asked me,
you know, to introduce myself and let me know where
I was from. And I said, hey, you know, I
said my name, and I said I was from Zambia.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
And the question followed by.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
The instructor was where's that in India?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So I always stiled at that and.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I always you know, tell people are from Zambia and
by the way back to Africa. So born and raised
in Zambia. It's a copper mine right at the border
of Democratic Republic of Congo, which is a French colony,
and then of course Danda is a British colony, and
so those are my roots. But both my parents are Indians,
so definitely Indian descent, and they have therefore the question

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of where is it in India. Most of my elementary, middle school,
high school have been completed in band end of the
British system. And I got to college at fourteen, which
a lot of people and including my patients, find very
fascinating and say, how did you get to college at fourteen?

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, you know, in the British system.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Things are a little different. So if you have a
child that's excelling in the academic world, they test you
out and they get it for challenging. The patients don't
lose any sorry that the kids don't lose any interest.
So I tested out at seventh grade, tenth, eleventh, and twelfth,
which is about four years and so I took my fats,

(03:45):
my toe folds got a scholarship at Southwestern Oklahoma State University.
That's why I did my undergrad I have a computer.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Hold hold up, hold up just one second. How did
you get a scholarship a school in Oklahoma?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Very interesting question. So when I bought my SAT scort
is I scored pretty high and a lot of universities
have access to some of the SAT scores, and you know,
you kind of applied to schools and one of the
things they look for as a preliminary cleaning back thing
is the FAT scores, and so they offer scholarships to
students that do extremely well in those categories worth testing.

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So based on my results, my SAT results, I was
given a full right scholarship my first year at Southwestern
Oklahoma State. That was one of the universities that offered
a full ride first year.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
So that's how I got to Oklahoma and then fortify
graduated from Southwestern Oklahoma with a computer science degree Math minor.
I've always wanted to be in medicine, but it's extremely
hard to go to medical school or any sort of
medicine kind of you know, endeavor here in the United States.
Being an international student, it's super offensive. You know, it's difficult,

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it's hard, and so I ended up getting my computer
science degree. Worked for Banks of America with the banking industry, crash.
You know, that was my opportunity to switch into.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
The healthcare field.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
After applying nursing school, PA School, Pharmacy school got into
nursing quicker and that were they were offering the accelerated program.
And I attended Stanford University in Birmingham, Alabama, but Great
University by the way, it was a private Christian university.
I got my accelerated BESSEN and then I further went

(05:36):
to Walden University and got my nurse practitioner, my mattress
in nursing and back forward. And I've always known again
wanted to have my own practice, wanted to be in medicine,
and that's how SHID infusions evolved. Some part of this
journey also involved.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
My own health.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
I was an misdiagnosed byanemiccrinologist. I had Hashi motives, which
is an audi us diyroid disorder, and you know, kind
of I thought like the system failed me. So I
found functional medicine. Doctors got treated and that was my
introduction to functional medicine and I fell in.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Love with it.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
I found solutions to my own health and it just
made me feel there's more people like me out there
that need ancest to their health and you get tired
of doctors telling you everything's okay, your labs are normal,
you are fine. The people know their bodies and people
know they don't feel well. And that's how Vida Infusions,

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which is the name of our practice here, evolved, and
we've been in business for about approximately ten years now
offering cutting edge services, ID therapies and functional medicine services.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Wow, that's just you know, every time I think about
being fourteen years old, I think about, well, what was
I doing when I was fourteen? You know, I certainly
wasn't going to a foreign country having to speak a
new language and learn And I mean I was just

(07:11):
such a little little kid. I mean I just can't
even imagine. And I can't I mean, you know, I
grew up in New York. I can't imagine moving from
New York to Oklahoma much less it was a shock. Yes,
I just mean Copper.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
British English and then going to Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Oh, I mean it must have sounded like a foreign language.
I mean, you speak English, but you know, I mean
I just the visual and that just kills me. So,
you know, I think it was yeah, yeah, and then
going to Alabama you know, a whole other experience, and

(07:55):
then how'd you get to Atlanta?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
So, you know, on and off job opportunities definitely brought
me to Atlanta. I also have an amazing sister. She
is also Endurus, practicing interview shatter the field. She got married,
met somebody here and moved to Atlanta, and you know,
I don't want to be too far from my family,
so I followed her. That was another reason I came

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to Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I see I see so, and we met through a
mutual client excuse me, And that was very fortunate for me,
I will say, because I mean I've learned a lot
of things from from you, you know, I as you know,
I got burned out and got out of doing much

(08:44):
clinical medicine, and so it's kind of fun hearing about
what you're doing and your clients and the different things,
and also just being a client of yours, you know,
and then having friends of mine the clients of yours,
and hearing the these raving reviews of how they're doing,

(09:04):
and you know, my own benefits. So you like me,
and I think maybe like a lot of people, we're
our own guinea pig in some regards, and clearly you know,
I think that is what you stated earlier about you know,

(09:28):
going to a doctor and they say, oh, your blood
tests are normal, so you're fine, you know, and it's
so dismissive, and it's this attitude of oh, it's all
in your head. So it reminds me of you know,
way back, you know, you know, decades ago, women were hysterical,
you know, and they just needed you know, some antidepressants

(09:52):
and anti anxiety meg and then go sit in the
corner when they are actual, real medical issues going on.
And I think that you and I both have discovered
the limitations of allopathic testing. You know, when you do

(10:14):
a basic thyroid panel, you you miss things. I mean,
excuse me, just a simple you know, when you understand
the the physiology, then you under you can understand you know,
it's more than just this one test. I mean T

(10:36):
s H is great, it doesn't give you the whole picture.
And if someone is still just sounding like thyroid condition
in this example, you know, dig deeper. And that's the
beauty of functional medicine. What's really looking at the pathways,
looking at understanding that that that you don't go from

(10:58):
well too unwell. In this one big step I mean, unless,
of course you're hit by a truck. But there are
incremental dysfunctions along the way, and in the allopathic model,
it's really not picked up until you're you know, the
cows out of the barn. And and so what you're

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doing is helping people. Certainly people are coming to you ill,
but some people come to you unwell, and they have
they know that they don't feel well, but there's there's
no diagnosis in that allopathic model that can be picked
up and your applent. These are the principles and and

(11:47):
uncovering the dysfunction and then doing the things to correct
it that you know is inspiring for me. And it's
also it's fun. It's fun to do. It'll be now
that the the main topic today I want to talk
about is evil, but I want you to tell us

(12:08):
about some of the other things that you do in
the practice. And maybe you know an example of a
home run where someone is just so much better. I
know you have lots of them. Might be hard to
pick on, but yes, just an overview.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
So about infusions, you know my passion for infusions. Again,
when I was seeing a physician near locally in Atlanta,
I briefly worked for him for a couple of years,
and then once I got my nurse practitioner licensure, you know,
I've always wanted to have my own practice, So I'm
very thankful for his mentorship. I'm very thankful for his

(12:50):
introduction to functional medicine, you know. So that's that's how
I got into it, and I appreciate him even just
mentoring me through the process of becoming a functional medisin provider.
Five Infusions emerged as a functional medicine clinic that expertise
that whose expertise was infusion therapy, and how that sort

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of became was combining my background in trauma medicine. You know,
I did work for Grady here in Atlanta. I'm a
trauma burned nurse. So bringing in that experience, my emergency
room experiences, my ICU experience room, which is all around
the critical care. You know, we wait until people are
extremely sick to be able to help them. And so certainly,

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you know, when I was in tea school, one of
my questions in the er, you know, you would get
a lot of different kinds of people walking into the
emergency room, and some of this stuff is primitive, you know,
some of this stuff, It's like, okay, well this is
not the setting that we need to talk about this.
There's got to be another way to get these people
better before they get to the red zone or get

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to the desperate zone. And so divit Infusions started to
look at patients chronically ill, but they were not ill
enough to fit into a internal medicine practice, primary care practice,
or even the emergency room. So these are patients that
have a vast majority of symptoms and when they're getting
like ice be mentioned, getting their annual physical labs or

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getting their basic lab panels by their providers, nothing.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Would show up in their blood panels.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
And as we already know, our society in this day
and time deals with specialties.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Right, so if you have a stomach issue or a
gut issue, you go see a GI specialist.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
If you're having a cardiology issue you have, you know,
you go see a cardiologist. And the primary care here
in the United States, you know, you've got to see
how many patients they they seek in a day. And
as you old, by running a primary care practice, you
can only spend fifteen minutes with a client or a patient,
and you're you're supposed to determine one their diagnose codes,

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two the labs are going to need, and three the
plants preliminary are going to be.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Once these lasts come back. I mean, you're doing all
of this in fifteen minutes. You're almost a billing insurance,
you know.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
You know that kind of takes away a lot of
time that's required to know your patients. The viewing about
functional medicine clinics like mine is that we spent forty
five minutes to ninety minutes just needed to obtain patient's history,
and a lot of the patient's history will determine which direction.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Or what the root costs possibly may be.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
And so the clinic offers ID infusion as our goal.
You know, that's our like both the you know, treatments
that you like to call it our happy points because
infusions is where we're all happy. But the funcial medicine
services will allow us to take a deeper dive into
the patient's health to determine the therapies needed to resolve.

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It's great to figure out what the problem is, but
it's even greater to find a solution.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
So I only tell my patients you can dig.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Get your lab work, get a diagnosis, but then the
million dollar question on the table for most providers.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Is what are we going to do about this?

Speaker 6 (16:08):
Right?

Speaker 4 (16:09):
And that's where I husion therapies help, right. So, like
you mentioned, there's a there's a soft line or a
very gray line that people cross over from being well
to being unwell and figuring out how they got there
part of their health journey.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
Determined solutions and.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Ideas offer a quick noticeable solution where the patient feels
like they're getting something accomplished, and they will then be
more compliant in the treatment therapies that you're providing them.
You've got plenty of clinics that don't provide solutions and
patients will be there for six months, nine months, twelve months,
eighteen months, and they have no resolution of any of

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their sympom bitumen with.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, you know it's so, I mean, it's human nature, right,
It's the psychology. When you get a result and you
feel better, then you're more engaged and more inclined to
follow through with the recommendations of the practitioner. Like you said,

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I mean, I had that primary care practice and I
was seeing thirty five or forty people a day, and
you know what I was doing is spending as little
time with the minor things like rashes and colds to
try to make up time to be able to spend
more time with people who had more complex things going on.
And I had a lot of medicare elderly people on

(17:37):
the laundry list of medicines with multiple chronic conditions, and
I realized that I was not helping people actually get well.
I was managing conditions. You know, here's a pill to
keep your blood sugar down, but you still feel bad.
You know, here's a pill for your blood pressure. But

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what was I able to do to help people get
well and was very limited because so much of it
is based on really digging into the history. One of
my visient residency professors said, if you listen to your patient,
they will tell you what's going on.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
But in this medical model, you can't listen to someone
in fifteen minutes and you really hear what's going on.
And I think more importantly, you can't develop the trust
needed for people to really open up and share with
you what's going on and feel comfortable saying things that

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in their head they're going, oh, that's stupid, that has
nothing to do with it, and then then they don't
tell you, but it's actually an important piece of the puzzle,
you know. And also, like you said, you know, people
come up with a GI problem, they go to the
GI doctor, and we know know that it may be
some other issue or they have a rash, or they

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have or whatever, and it's actually a GI problem. And
that's the holistic look at that the individual, as opposed
to starting from the symptom and let's work on the symptom.
And I know myself and like you, when you see

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the improvements in a person's overall wellness as well as
whatever condition you're managing, we'll see that that sort of
global improvement. You can't unsee it. Particularly things like that, really,

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you know, hit me between the eye. When removing a food,
an everyday regular food from someone's diet and their asthma
and their reflux and their fibromyalgia go away from we're
talking power, We're talking that person has reversed the trajectory

(20:18):
they were on and they are going away from unwell
and back into wellness. And I think that is the
the joy of what you do really get well, as
opposed to what I saw so often in practice, is

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that the numbers look good, the blood pursure's good, the
blood trigger's good, the A one C is good. But
the person doesn't feel well. And until we'll come back
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Okay, we are back, folks with Chaitali Ptel and we
just finished talking about her fascinating background coming getting a
full ride to university in Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, I think
you said at the age of fourteen, coming from Zambia

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in Africa after your your British education. I mean, you know,
it's just amazing. And then you know sort of your
your pathway to get to functional medicine being solving your
own medical problems and being introduced to functional medicine and

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seeing just how effective it really is. So uh, and
we talked about a little bit about some of the
other things that you do in practice, and so let's
switch gears a little bit and let's start in with
EBU extra corporal blood oxygenation and ozonation. How did you

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come across this?

Speaker 5 (24:47):
We're interesting start.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
When we UH decided to launch fighter infusions, you know,
one of the things was to offer functional medicine with
ID therapy. And the first couple of patients that actually
came in as patients invito were oncology patients. And it's
such a touchy topic. It's a very you know, close
knit relationship with your providers.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
There's a lot of differences at that.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Time ten years ago, there's a lot of differences between
the conventional treatments and cancer or oncology and the integrative
cancer options. So my first introduction to ozone was at
an integrative conference for cancer therapies. And there's an amazing
naturopathic doctor that is uh most most of you guys
may possibly know that, doctor Paul Anderson. Say he's listening

(25:38):
to this podcast, Doctor Paul, You're amazing. He is a
great speaker, he's a proponent of you know, oncology patients.
He's bringing a lot for us. He's doing some great
works at the legislative levels, at FDA levels, bringing integrative
cancer therapy to the United States.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
So that was my first introduction to ozone.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
And then you started looking at what ozone does, right,
So the history of ozone and how it started in
the year eighteen forty and the ozone's being around for
a very long time.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Some people have heard of it, some people have not.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Just going back to a little summary of timeline on ozone.
In the eighteen forties, ozone was discovered. It was a
gas discovered by Doc Shouden.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Vine showed and Vines.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
He probably said his name wrong, but that's how it started.
In the early nineteen hundreds again, you know, most of
the European country started to use it in the medical
the sees of heels and things like that. Really where
the cutting mate of oson started was World War One,
where you know, they started using ozin as a disinspectant

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for wounds and it also accelerated healing due to its
strong antiseptic properties. So they were more natural ways other
than the allopathic waves to.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Use in terms of wounds and stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
In the World War One progressed in the nineteen sixties
and eighties, it was a widespread medical use began in
Europe really from the cancer world.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Really Europe.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
If you look at countries like Italy, Germany, they had
a lot to do with putting ozon on the grid
in medical use.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Ebu was like a step further of ozone.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
What EBU was was ozone on steroids.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
It was a better, more efficient way of.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Giving ozone while returning it to the patient at the
same time simultaneously.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
So CEBU.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I have a little analogy for my patients for EBU,
I always tell them think of it like a blood reset. Okay,
it's like a cellular tune ap. It delivers ozone generated
messengers that activate the bodies repair defense, and detox systems
without directly damaging tissues. When you talk about detox and

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repair in patients, you got to look at the cellular
level of what's going on. And cellular inflammation is very
common nowadays with just the toxins that we're around here,
food or water, the mold, you know, just everything almost
is attacking the body. So having a really gentle way
of repairing the body without damaging tissue is super important

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and essential in a lot of the chronic conditions nowadays.
So we have two separate machines at the office. We
have an ozone machine that's a little different. We have
to draw the patient's flood.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Of course, there's labs required.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
One of the most important labs for both therapies because
it's an oxidative therapy, is a G six pd lab.
Any of the providers that are doing this should really
focus on getting those labs because if they have a
G six pd deficiency, they are not a candidate for
open or.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
EGO, so it's not for anybody.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
So that's something that's very exciting and interesting because once
of these therapies come out and people research it, there's
information like fine print that never gets you know, culture patients.
So safety considerations for both therapies. You know, it should
only be administered by trained professionals. Make sure you provide
there is changed and you know, if you have any

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blood disorders like clotting disorders, what breeding disorders, which you
know some patients can have, there's contraindications to that you
should not be doing it. And then also things like
severe anemia. One of the ways that osin's transported in
the body is using an RBC, the red blood cell
of the body. If you have ammia, your red blood

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cell content or hemoglobin content, those are low, right, so
it's not going to have an effective delivery system. So
severe anemia is contra indicated. Uncontrolled hyperthyoidism is one, and
pregnancy is always there because you definitely don't want to
mess with pregnant women. But those safety considerations for both
ozen and EBU, and I think patients should know if

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they are a candidate or not, and that's something that
a provider can definitely screen.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yes, O an ebo ozon.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
You draw the patient's blood O donated in the saline
bag with a little bit heprin it changes color from dark.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Red to cherry red.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
That's that's when you know it's working, and then you
infuse it back into the patient. On the machine, it's
a slightly little different capacity. What happens is you get
two ID.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Lines, well it's like a dialysis machine almost. You get
one line.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Pulls the blood out of the patient, enter the chamber.
The chamber has a filter. Two things happen in the chamber.
One is filtration, the second is oxygenation and ozonation, and
all of those the processes happened simultaneously. Once the ozination
oxygenation has happened, it has then run through UBI light

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to eradicate any other pathogens that are present, and then
it's redelivered back into the patient with the second line.
So it's like a mini dialysis center. That's when we're
doing these wow.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
So it's what it reminds me of is donating platelets.
I don't know if you've ever done that, but your
one arm is the blood's going out, it's getting filed,
it gets to the platelet's removed, and then they run
it back into your other line. How long does this take?
I mean, and how much blood is actually coming out

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of you and going back in you?

Speaker 4 (31:14):
So on the ozone machine there is a variation. It's
anywhere between forty to one hundred and twenty mls because
you're pulling it manually. On the human machine, depending on
the manufacture of the machine, you are filtering and oxygenating
and odonating at least two lids at a time, and
it takes anywhere between fifty minutes to ninety ninety minutes.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
And but the body has s leaders of blood like that.
So and how many sessions does a person typically have?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
So the general rule of thumb is fort to six sessions.
Of course, it depends on you know, the disease condition,
the goals that we're trying to achieve. You know, what
is really that we're trying to do with the patient.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
When it comes to EBU what is our goal?

Speaker 4 (32:09):
And EBU's never a standalone treatment, So one of the
listeners to know is that EBU should not be used
by itself. There's other things that EBU you know, should
be used with that. Those can include id antioxidantsculation therapies, binders,
pepti therapies, and antimicrobial including Marius costel and tech therapy

(32:34):
where you're reintroducing nutrients and minerals back into the blood.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Mm hmm. Okay, So we need to take a break.
They go by so fast and we'll come back. We'll
pick up where we're left off talking about the sort
of logistics of having EBU treatment and UH and what
kinds of things it's useful for, and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 3 (35:33):
Okay, folks, we are back with Tylli to tell when
we are talking about EBO, extra corporal blood oxygenation and ozonation,
and I would like you to just sort of describe
again for folks so they can sort of picture this

(35:55):
in their head what a session is like. And then
after that I'd like to shift into who what conditions
this is particularly good for?

Speaker 5 (36:09):
Yeah, absolutely, so a typical appointment.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
You know, we do block off our clinic schedule. We
do one patient at a time. We definitely take safety
very seriously. We currently in our protocol and it's different
from many clinics, but we have a nurse practitioner RN.
They both are at the size of the patients, so
it would be myself and a clinical RN. THEATHON typically
comes in. We advise patients to have a high protein, high.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Fat meal prior to their appointment.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
One of the things that you can do is it
filters out a lot of your blood chemistry, such as
blood sugar.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
You could have a blood sugar drop.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Which is you don't want to have an adverse effect
event on your id TARE. So they come in, we
get vital signs. We had a baseline blood sugar. They
get both IDs usually typically a twenty gauge for people
that don't engauge is it is a not a baby needles.
Patients have to have really good veins. So if you
have tiny veins like I do, we got to work

(37:07):
harder to get our bigger veins to be able to
get bigger catheters in. You definitely want to preserve your
red blood cells. You don't want anything to break in
the catheters. Therefore the requirement of using a bigger gauge cathter.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
It's super important.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Once the IDs have been inserted, the machines are hooked up.
There's four major things that.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Go into effect with EGOS. The first is the blood extraction.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
The blood is extracted out of a pole line. The
pole line is then connected to a chamber, and we
talked about the chamber. It acts like a dialysis machine
ton of just in your brain. And there's two things
that happen in that chamber. The first one's oxygenation and ozonation.
The blood paths through a specialized chamber where the oxygen

(37:50):
is definitely medical grade. So you have to have a
unit that converts medical grade oxygen to ozone gas, which
is an extra.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Oxygen molecule ozone. I mean oxygen considered O two.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Ozone is O three, and then once it's oxygenated, it's
also odonated simultaneously, so they're both having O two three
competing for your red blood cells in there. The third
step of that is filtration. Infiltration is super important for
protocols like detoxification, getting rid of like posts like protein

(38:24):
from covid infections, are shocks, chronic infections, viral infections, lines,
disease cams, pandas. This is where it gets really nice
because we're trying to remove any foreign body in terms
of infections that you're using either for detox or infection control.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
This becomes a super important state.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
So filtration is still important as well because it's connected
to a canister and you will see cell waste comes
out of it. It is very fascinating for patients to
see the waste coming out is almost like it's an
important mental like check to see, oh my god, body
has the such waste in it.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
It's they can see it, we can see it.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
It does sometimes have a smell depending on what we're treating.
So we've had I think what we've seen in practice,
we've had a patient with glioblasteroma stage four who had
two full canisters.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Of waste come out.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
To give you the perspective of how much wastemin come out,
and these are huge canisters.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
I want to say about two three years.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
And then the last part is reinfusion. This is where
the blood that's oxygenated, oceated, and filtered is then passed
through the UBI light full spectrum and returned.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
Back to the patient.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
So those are the four sort of what happens during
the whole process runs for fifteen minutes. We do check
a blood sugar halfway and we check a blood sugar
at the end. We do keep snacks and things in
the office to feed the patients, to give them water,
hydrate them.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Make them comfortable. So that's typically what an ebucession looks like.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Okay, so what conditions have you used this end and
tell us about some of your results.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
So we've used them for a variety of reasons.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
We use them for neurological and neural inflammatory conditions.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
We have a local psychiatrist.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
We work quanti using holistic psychiatrists. We see a lot
of their patients. We use it for multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's.
We've seen them for infectious issues or post infection issues
such as chronic lens disease. At scene bar cytomegaly virus
is super common. Long covid have been super common as

(40:39):
well post covid neurological syndromes, which ties in with the
psychiatric referrals. We've seen a whole lot of that mold
and fungal infection.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Believe it or not.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Where in Georgia it's not as bad as I thought Italogaty,
but we've had a significant number of patients that have
struggled with mold toxicity that we've treated spot immune conditions
such as rheumatoid asritis, lupus, hashimotos, soriasis, chronic inflammatory response syndrome,
exlammatory bowel, cardiovascular, we've seen patients with ostrasporosis, chronic aeschemia,

(41:17):
poor wound healing in relation to poor circulation, and also
gads can keep the kind of follow with that. So
and then of course oncology cases, variety of oncology justices.
So one that shans out. One thing that I've seen
is our MOLT patients are automune and molivations. It's super
fascinating because when we were got trained with EVENS, they

(41:40):
told us not to worry about, you know, just because
they have the waste coming out and the canister that
you've had a good session did not. You don't always
have waste coming out, but those particular groups of patients,
the amount of waste is the stickiness and the color
of the smell like you get you know, in the
nursing field, you get obsessed with what's coming out, and
there's the results that we've seen is patients take less

(42:02):
medications and come off of their medications. Those big, big
winds that we've seen on our end for our psychiatry patients,
it's reduction in dosages of their antipsychotics, anti depressants, and
anti anxiety to almost removal of some of those medications,
which is huge when you're coming from a mental health
facility with a ton of medications.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
So those of some of our like our success stories.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Wow, So you're telling me us that you're seeing people
with psychiatric conditions com D, do EBO and they are
able to lower the dosage on their medications and sometimes
come off their medications.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
That is correct.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Wow, Now that that is truly fascinating. What kind of
psychiatric conditions.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
The most common schysophrenic, schizophrenic patients and bipolar, but we
can see a variety of ADHD is one common one,
and then major depressive disorder depression and anxiety or this
is another big one.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Okay, So you're telling me patients that are bipolar and
schizophrenic challenging conditions to manage are lowering their doses of
their medications. I mean that's just phenomenal, Yes that you know,

(43:40):
I'm speechless here because so often what you see are
people on multiple medications and then they're on another medication,
so the side effect of the medications that they're on
because they don't want to take them off or you know,
they've been on several already that didn't work and this
is the one that works. But you know, they have
a side effect, and they give them a pill to

(44:01):
treat the side effect. That that to me, you know,
such challenging diagnoses to have something like that, and you see.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
This after how many sessions I would say, an average
fourt of six sessions and combination therapy. Of course you're
doing other things and important to you do, yes.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
But still, I mean, that's still quite quite amazing.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
And with the.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
But one minute before I tell you these sessions go
by so fast, I want to talk about COVID because
that is such an issue. You hear about people with
long COVID and with the neurological things, and you know,
and also just I mean people maybe don't know this

(44:58):
as much, but viruses can and give you a post
viral syndrome. It's not just a COVID situation, So folks,
hang on tighte We'll be right back. We're going to
talk about a few other conditions that EBU is helpful for,
So hang tite.

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Speaker 3 (47:53):
Well, folks, we're back with Chatali Patel and we are
talking about EBU and at the previous just before this break,
talking about EBU being an integral part of UH treatment
of people with psychiatric conditions including bipolar and schizophrenia, which

(48:18):
you know, in at least in my world, these are
folks that are challenging to treat. But before I forget shy,
please tell folks how they can reach you. You're in
the Atlanta area, give them the contact information.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
Yes, absolutely so.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
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I t A Infusions with an s our. Website is
www dot Vita v I t A Infusions with an
S A t L for Atlanta dot com. So that
is again the I T A Vita Infusions with an
S A t L a guest dot com and our

(49:00):
phone number four seven zero seven nine six three nine
six nine again it's fourth seven zero seven nine six
three nine six.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Nine excellent, excellent. Okay, so yeah, I'm still going away
at the improvement in those conditions that are just historically
so challenging. But you mentioned add as well, are you
able to do this in children?

Speaker 5 (49:28):
So we do children.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
We will use ozone therapy, which is a little bit
safer than EBU.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
We do have our cap at EBU.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Fourteen and older.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
For right now, we have a fourteen year olds that
are you know, built like adults and so they can
handle the metabolics trust from the EBU fregments. So after
right now we're not using EBU and children, but we're
doing ozone therapy in place of it. We just have
to be more frequent and increase the gamma of ozone deliveries.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Uh huh, and tell us tell us about a condition
that just blew your doors off that you just were
shocked at the improvement when you included this therapy.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
So I have several amazing cases, you know, and one
of them that I just really it stands out as
we speak, is a I had a fifty four year
old woman, otherwise healthy, no medical history, maybe minor surgical history.
She's in the Atlanta area.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
She's you know, a VP at a.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Major corporation when COVID started. You know, she was one
of those people pressured to get the COVID vaccine otherwise
she was going to lose her job. So what had
ended up happening is her PCP didn't you know, quite
sclean her history of genetics. You know, things like we
check in the functional medicine world, like MPHFR, which is

(50:57):
a messylation pathway also responsible.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
For DEE talks.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
And what had happened to her is that she got
her first coded vaccine and had kidney injury and hypertension.
I mean I'm talking blood pressure of like two hundred
and forty over one hundred and ten. Like she was
taken to the er.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
They couldn't bring her.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Blood pressure down. She struggled with her blood pressure. She
was a result from a primary care doctor in the area.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
They didn't know what to do with her.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
She was on about four blood pressure medications. When she
got to Zeida. We did an extensive intake. We introduced
you know, our gut protocols, you know RIV therapies. EBU
was one of them, and her spot protein was super elevated.
Of course, we knew she had an injury to the
vaccine because she was not allowed to take any more

(51:46):
based on the history. So she was a great case
for EBU because combined with other therapies, not only did
she get off all four precire medications, but she resolved
all her chronic.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Heale can di.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
That's that, you know, that's kind of followed the post
vaccine injury situation. And I don't know of any other
therapy in the conventional world that could have helped her
at that point if she wasn't referred to it by
a primary care doctor who's, by the way, definitely believed
in what we do, so we work hand in hand
here locally. But she was the one that, you know,

(52:23):
reminds me of how powerful even treatments can be, because
with a blood pressure that.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
High, and you know, the people that.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Don't know that's a super high.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Blood pressure, you could have other systemic issues, you know,
cardiac issues, you have kidney issues, you could have eye issues.
I mean, blood pressure has a lot of systemic outcomes
that it's not controlled. And she was a classic example
of what could have totally gone wrong had we not
controlled the symptoms for her using the therapies.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
That we be here offering.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
So if she's on any blood pressure medicine, now no
she's not. She takes no medication, so she's back to
her baseline of normal, good health. See, this is why
functional medicine is so important. The fallopathic medical world would

(53:22):
control the blood pressure with you know, a zillion medications,
but there is no offer of an intervention uh to
mitigate the effects of vaccine injury. I mean this, you know,

(53:43):
this isn't a show about you know that the vaccines
are good, A vaccines are bad, okay, But the reality
is that for some individuals, vaccines are toxic. I mean
in the same way that you know, certain foods are
toxic for people. So this isn't a you know, you know,

(54:05):
a good or bad situation. For this individual, it was
very bad and had she not gone to you, her
life was gone in a very different direction. And with
blood pressures that high, you know, stroke was extremely likely
if those blood pressures hadn't been controlled. And so you know,

(54:27):
this scenario to me is just really highlights the powerful
nature of a functional medicine assessment. And obviously a willing
client who's willing to do all these things. But this

(54:49):
result is is nothing short of amazing. What other we
have a few minutes to goo another case that comes
to mind that maybe a different condition that you different things.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
So we have an oncology case with prostate cancer patient
sixty seven year old male, especially from Columbia.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Sweet little guy PSA.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
You know normal PSA you would say below four, you know,
you don't want it to be above. Those are kind
of the ranges. This particular individual walks into my office
with a usc of almost.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Four hundred, which.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Four hundred, four.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Hundred, don't know the exact number, but it was definitely
four hundred.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
And I remember repeating it because I.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Was like, there's just no way they were given you know,
of course get your parents and orders.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
You only have a week.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
I think it was a week.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
They found vita to another clinic in the United States.
They're weird in clinic that's known for as you know,
in a grade of uncle pology care got to us,
did all the therapies with us, including ozo therapy, highdays.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Vitamin see.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
But I want to just tell you this is a story.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
When I first got.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Into invited fusion practice about ten years ago. He lived
eight and a half years after that, so he saw
three of his grandchildren after being given a week to live.
And that's I think was a very powerful case, not
only for him but for me because he came in
here and I said, I don't know what to do
for you, honestly, and I have nothing to lose. And

(56:35):
you know, he was right, he didn't. He didn't have
anything to lose. And I'm glad I took that chance,
and I'm glad I listened to him. And being fairly
new in the game was something that always, you know,
I was like, okay, I could I have the information?
I have the knowledge now, you know, let's like every
provider out there, we learned new things, New things come on,

(56:55):
you know, new research comes out, and you get this
uh you know knowledge base, which is just we've read
upon it and we know how it works. But then
applications of medical knowledge tend to be difficult, right, You've
got to have these willing to try and providers that
are willing.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
To try as well.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yes, yes, I mean there is no cookie cutter. Every
person is different and it is wild. Yes, Now you're
going to functional medicine has ye, yeah, and and functional
medicine has a wide variety of tests, and there are
newer tests coming online and better tests coming on, constantly evolving.

(57:38):
But what's the best part is that this is individualized care.
This isn't everybody gets the same thing. This isn't the
protocol of oh, you've got diabetes that we're going to
put a stat and we're going to do this. We're
going to do that, you know, and that's pretty much
the same thing for everyone. Functional medicine and the care
that you give it your clinic is INDI visualized for

(58:01):
that person, and another person could come in with the
same thing and get different care. So Chai, we have
to go. The time goes by so fast. Thank you
so much for joining me. This is welcome, so educational,
and folks, we'll see you next time. I actually don't

(58:21):
know what's on board for us next week. I think
it's just me and Patty, So thank you so much
for joining us. Chai, you take care. I we'll talk soon,
and everybody stay cool.