Co-Host Frenesa Hall, MD with Guest Cass Nelson-Dooley

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Speaker 3 (00:38):
Well, hello everyone, it's Doctor fornessaka Hall, MD. Is Patty
life to say and I'm very excited for my guest today.
I hope you have a pen pense already take some notes.
My guest today is cas Nelson Dooley. She's the author

(01:01):
of the book called Heal Your Oral micro Biome. Uh
the you know, we hear about the gi micro biome
all the time, but not the oral micro biome. And
it's really important and so welcome Cass to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Thank you from Essa. I'm so happy to be you.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh good. You know, I I loved your book. It's
it's very accessible to anyone. You don't have to be
in the medical field to really get it and be
able to apply this. So but let's but let's not
jump to the book yet. We met what twenty something

(01:42):
years ago?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
I think probably, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, you were. You were working at Metrics, was helping
doctors understand the labs and know what things to order
for what reason. And and I was I don't know,
I was somehow Terry got me there doing something I
don't know, so long ago. But so you you were

(02:11):
not You weren't a writer at that time, were you.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
I think I've always done a lot of writing. But yeah,
my I have a background in science. I have a
master's in pharmacy and biomedical science.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I was.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Originally interested in medicinal plant research, you know, at Nobody.
That's where my undergraduate masters. That's where what I focused on.
But I've you know, and I've made bees in English.
That was always my joke. I always made bees in English.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
But I have a lot of journalists in my line.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
My grandparents were journalists. They had owned a newspaper, and
and my mom does journalism and writing. So I think
it just kind of came naturally, you know. I enjoy
take seeing these hard scientific concepts and trying to articulate
them in a way that makes some sense to regular people.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, I think you did a great job with this
book because it really lays it out very clearly, and
I think it takes a person from knowing nothing and
then walks them through an understanding. And by the end
of the book, you know, you you know, you have
some knowledge. How did you? Thank you wind up writing

(03:32):
about this though, I mean, it's not like this is
some hot topic, you.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Know, Well, hopefully it'll change to be a hot topic scene.
I think it's you know, I still think it's really
you know, it's it's it's kind of cooking under the surface, right.
There's a lot more interest in the oral microbiome, and
that's those that those are the microbes, the the micro

(03:57):
organisms that live in the mouth, and most of which
which help us have healthier mouth and healthier bodies. But
then there there are a few bad players in there
too that can cause disease. So all together we call
the micro organisms in the mouth the oral microbiome. But
you know, I really started it was when I started

(04:20):
my business as a consulting and writing business out on
my own that I was I was approached to write
an article on the oral microbiome for a I don't
know if you remember Claire Lab back before they emerged
into s FI Health. So they had a really neat
clinician oriented newsletter and they would focus on different topics,

(04:43):
you know, research articles. Basically, we would write research articles
for them, and they wanted me to write it on
the oral microbiome. Well metametrics clinical laboratory that we were
just talking about, you know, they they innovated the first
quantitative PCR gut microbiome test and it was around two
thousand and six, I believe. So I had all this

(05:07):
knowledge about the gut microbiome coming from my time and
integrative and functional medicine and working at the laboratory and
being part of that new test launch, so it wasn't
hard to kind of just dive into the oral microbiome
because you know, my joke in the book is it's
just the hot skip and a jump away from the
gut micro right. They're very They're really yeah, And I

(05:31):
love to point out to the people that the mouth
really is part of the gastro intestinal track.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
So I mean when the other it's one end of
the tube, it's one.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
End of the tube. So really, when if we're going
to talk about treating the gut, we should include the
mouth when we're thinking about it.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
It's it's interesting because I well, in practice, you know,
I look in people in people's mouths all the time,
and I would see people, you know, with teeth that
were riddled with plaque and cavities, and I always wondered, like,

(06:14):
so I'd say to myself, my god, how do you
even swallow? Like oh? But you know, when you know,
after I read the book in particular, it's like, oh,
my god, there's some serious issues going on in there,
not just in the mouth, but you know, potential problems
for the rest of the body. I ask you this,

(06:37):
was there anything that was surprising to you when you
were doing your research that you were like, Holy moly,
that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, well, you know, it's the connection of the mouth
with everything else, kind of like what you were just
saying that is just still kind of blows my mind.
The one that gets me the most is the oral
gut connection, of course, because that one is kind of
near and dear to my heart, so to speak. Like,

(07:09):
for example, the one that really I think is very
profound is Helicobacter pylori. So this is the microbe that
has been implicated in causing stomach ulcers and gastric cancer. Right,
so it's a pretty bad bug. When he had control,

(07:30):
and there were studies that showed that in people who
went to the dentist and got their deep cleans, that
treating H. Pylori was more successful in those patients. So
if you took care of your oral health and your
gut health, if you know, if that H. Pylori was

(07:52):
treated with antibiotics in these in these in these cases
where they were like having symptoms from H. Pylori and
ulcer and you know that'stritis, and they treated them. And
then also those people went and did their regular dental cleanings,
they wouldn't get a recurrence. H Pylori would not come back.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
But the people that now, I'm sorry, that's really amazing
because how many people have I seen, you know, just
my career that had to be treated multiple times for
their H. Pylori.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Right, It's very hard to treat. Even with antibiotics. It's
extremely difficult to treat.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
But what you're saying, though, is if you address the mouth,
you have a better chance of eradicating the h pylori
and the.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Gut, that's right, And that's because it can live in
the mouth too, So.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
So really what we need to be doing for those
people is getting them to get to their dentists and
doing some serious hygiene of the mouth while they're doing
their antibiotic.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Right, right, and yeah, and just kind of thinking about
that gut, the gut health and the oral health as
one system.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Right that.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, and then you know, so that's that's really exciting
because there's so many people with chronic gut problems whose
mouths are out of balance, right, they have leading gums,
or they have chronic cavities, or they're having a lot
of root canals, or they've had a lot of mercury
amal gums, et cetera. So it's you know, it's something

(09:38):
that we really want to think about that the mouth.
The problems could be starting in the mouth actually and
then going downstream into the gut. It is possible now
it's possible for it to go the other way too,
you know, where the gut has the disease process and
then the mouth gets affected.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Interating thing. Yeah, any other surprises, Yeah, well, the you.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Know, the other one is that the oral systemic connection.
So this is where and you know, maybe your audience
has heard of this before, where you know, gum disease,
which is one of the main things you know that
we focus on in the mouth. So that's going to
be starts as it can start as gingivitis, the bleeding gums,
and then it can progress to you know, bone loss

(10:29):
and losing teeth and basically inflammation and damage to the
to the mouth and the jaw.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
You know, gum.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Disease has been linked to the higher risk of so
many other conditions. So I mean, now we have a
very clear connection between gum disease, bacteria and Alzheimer's so
brain function really yeah, yeah. Pre term birth, you know,
that's where that blows my mind, right, babies that are

(11:03):
born too early. It's more common in women's gum disease,
rheumatoid arthritis. There's a link between gum more you know,
more risk of rheumatoid arthritis if you have gum disease,
more risk of pneumonia and lung can lung you know,
respiratory infections if you have gum disease, and the list

(11:26):
just kind of course heart disease that that the link
in the mouth and the heart is very well established.
So in someone who has a high risk of heart
attack or stroke, they definitely would want to check the mouth,
the micoral microbion and make sure it's as healthy as
possible to reduce inflammation in the in the whole body. Right,

(11:50):
Because the mouth, even though it's clearly connected to the gut,
it's also very much connected to the blood stream. M
and when yeah, when there's a lot of problems happening
in the mouth, that gets right into the bloodstream and
that can create a problem for the rest of the body.
Those are pretty exciting links that I mean, I think

(12:13):
with each day we're learning more about this.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, you know, and what it really is saying, at
least to me, is we really need to pay a
lot more attention to what's going on in the mouth
when we're helping address other issues that patients has. I mean,
so you know, if a person's gut any of these conditions,

(12:40):
then seems to me that we need to look in
the mouth and get the mouth healthy as well. But
not just the mouth. I mean, it doesn't make much
sense to get the mouth microbiome healthy and ignore the gut.
You're not getting very far. But I just think I'm

(13:04):
just thinking about, you know, the approach to rheumatory arthritis.
I mean, there's nothing that I've read, at least in
the conventional approach about even looking in the mouth. I mean,
it's just Okay, you've got this, and we're going to
give you some disease modifying you know agents, some of

(13:25):
which are kind of nasty or can be nasty, and
we're gonna, you know, calm down your joints. But seems
to me that if you have chronic inflammation going on
in the mouth, it's just fueling the fire. And so treating,
you know, using a disease modifying drugs without addressing the

(13:48):
maths and the gut, you know, it's like you're not
you're not getting to that root or toes or a
foundational part of what is causing the disease. It may
not be the whole story, but it's part of the
story that should be cleared up. And so now I wonder, well,

(14:12):
how many people out there, on their forty thousand dollars
a month drug regimen just me planed in their oral
hygiene you know, addressed. I mean, right, that's potentially zillions

(14:32):
of dollars, you know. I mean I have a friend
that has RA and you know, she just had infusion
and she told me that at the outpatient clinic it
was twenty thousand dollars, but when she went to the
hospital it was ninety eight thousand dollars for one infusion.

(14:54):
Oh my goodness, I'm like, like, I really fell off
my chair. But you know, if we're not yeah, well
yeah exactly. But if we're not putting out the smoldering fire,
you know, that's sort of feeding the rest of it.

(15:14):
You know, we're doing half the job. And I remember
reading long ago about a clinical study on kids with
juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, and they found that those children were
more likely to have a certain bacteria overgrowth in their gut.

(15:39):
So you know, clearly this gut and will include the
mouth in that microbiome really is doing a lot more
and has a lot more potential to contribute to disease
and to symptoms than and we ever knew it. You know,

(16:02):
it's always amazing. I mean Alzheimer's, you know, for crying
out loud, my dad had Alzheimer's, you know, and it's
I've I've not gone gotten it. EPO for to be testing.
You know, he did not get tested. So I'm like, yeah,
you know, but but we know you and we know

(16:26):
that genes aren't the whole story, right, I mean, we
have genes, but those genes can be expressed or it
can be turned off, you know. And so maybe this
underlying smoldering, inflammation and seeding the brain is changing some
epigenetic factors to make you you know what I mean.

(16:48):
It's like, you may have the gene, but here's things
that are contributing to it showing up making me think
a lot differently about you know, brushing my tea and floss. Absolutely,
it's like, yeah, I mean it's like, I don't know,
I need to be much more intentional.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
I'm a lot more. Uh, I'm a lot more. I'm
paying a lot better attention to the whole thing too,
you know. I think I think you're exactly right. And
the Alzheimer's connection is really interesting because they have pinned
it down to a pathogenic bacteria that it has been
implicated in gum disease called porphyrrimonas ginga balis that they

(17:34):
find it. They find it in the cerebra spinal fluid
of patients with Alzheimer's disease, so actually in the nervous system,
and they have some hypotheses about how it gets into
the brain, you know, from the mouth. But it's a
pretty I mean, they've they've done a number of studies
now and it's a pretty strong I mean, it's pretty

(17:57):
strong evidence that it's involved. In fact, some people are
saying that the amyloid plaques that occur in Alzheimer's and
the brain are actually like a defense mechanism by the
brain to fight infection, like then a bacterial pathogen for example.
So I mean, of course, this is just you know,

(18:17):
this is all kind of still unfolding, and we may
find that it's multifactorial. I feel, like so many things,
like so many chronic diseases, it's not just one problem,
it's not just one balance. It's like a multifactorial imbalance
that SUTs someone down into a downward spiral of disease.

(18:38):
But I do think that, you know, do you know,
for all of us to keep our ears and eyes
open about the you know, research that's going to be
coming on Alzheimer's and oral health. And I think the
big thing to take home is that, you know, if
you're giving signs and symptoms of an unhealthy mouth or
if you feel like you have imbalance microbes in your mouth,

(19:01):
you know through you know, it can be bad breath,
it can be bleeding gums, it can be a tendency
toward cavities or rootcanal treatments, and you know, those would
be signs that a person has imbalanced microbes in the mouth,
and they're going to want to address that as a
way to improve their whole body health.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Right. You know, I actually have a friend who hasn't
been to the dentist in like ten years, and I'm horrified.
And now that I'm you know, talking to you and
reading this book, you know, I think I'd like go
out and buy a copy of the book for them
and say you need to read this and need see

(19:44):
high talent to the dentist and get on it.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I mean, it's but it's certainly a I mean, the
GI microbiomes has gotten a lot of play in the
past a decade for sure, and I think the mainstream
UH has picked up on it, and you know, and
so I think there's more awareness and people are you know,

(20:12):
maybe trying to eat more fiber and taking probiotics and
you know, maybe even not wanting antibiotics. You know, used
to be when I was in product, people came and
they wanted antibiotics, and you know, and I have to
fight them to say, no, you don't need an antibiotic.
But I think people are you know, reeling that back.

(20:35):
But you know, with this information you've presented to us today,
you know we need to put our mouths and the
our tear of our mouth and teeth at the top
of the list because poor mouth hygiene sets us up
for all sorts of nasty things we really really don't want,

(20:58):
I mean, forget that, but you know, don't want Alzheimers,
are are or you know, all right.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
But.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
We've got to go to break folks. We will be
back with more from Cash Nelson Dooley, author of Heal
Your Oral Microbio, available before you get books, Amazon, et cetera.
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Speaker 3 (23:56):
Okay, folks were back with cast Nelson Juli talking about
the oral microbiome. I don't know about you, but I've
already learned a lot just in that first segment and
reading the book, which I highly recommend. Excuse me, but
we're talking to break and let's to talk about the thing.

(24:19):
You know, so much of health and wellness is or
disease and illness and symptoms is caused by what we do.
We do it to ourselves, and I imagine it's the
same with the mouth. So tell me what are those

(24:41):
really bad things people need to be mindful of and
need to stop doing to help their mouths?

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Sure? Well, mostly I just want to kind of bring
awareness to these, you know, to the dental hygiene products
that we're using, right, because everything that we're buying from
the grocery store is not necessarily great for our mouths.
One thing, one area I think that it's very clear

(25:16):
that we need to watch out for is mouthwash, you know,
kind of conventional mouthwash, because one thing that mouthwash does
is it kills the oral microbiome, and study, yeah, it does,
and so studies there are even studies that show that
when people use mouthwash, their blood pressure increases. And that's

(25:43):
because these friendly oral bacteria that live on the tongue
are important for helping us lower keep our blood pressure
low through making nitrit oxide. So when we kill them
with mouthwash, we can be making our systemic health work.
So do check out mouthwash I am, you know, for

(26:04):
anybody who wants to learn more, please check out my
website health First Consulting dot com. I've written a number
of blogs on these topics, and I do talk about
like more gentle rinses and mouthwashes that are not killing stripping.
The other thing that happens with mouthwashes it can be
very drying because it has alcohol in it. Well, that's
really like the worst thing for the mouth is to

(26:26):
dry it out. That's not good for the oral microbiome.
And so so mouthwash is something to look out for
and to look for healthier alternatives that are soothing cleansing
if you like mouthwash, but maybe not harmful to your
oral microbiome and or to your the lining of your mouth.

(26:49):
And then the other area to be aware of is toothpaste. Right.
I don't really come down hard on one side or
the other about fluoride, but I think people should be
educated about. You know, each person has to kind of
make their own decisions about fluoride. There are hydroxy appetite

(27:13):
toothpastes out there now that have a lot of good research,
especially nano hydroxy appetites for you know, strengthening teeth, whitening teeth,
remineralizing teeth without the toxic side effects that you can
see sometimes with fluorides. So I think when people are
having a lot of mouth symptoms that don't resolve, like

(27:35):
when they get treated at the dentists, the dentist is
saying everything's fine, but yet their mouth is not well.
I would personally be looking at the products that you're
using in your mouth every day. You can even do
the DIY toothpaste, you know for people who are very
sensitive or having reactions or inflammation in the mouth. So
those are the two big ease. And I didn't know

(27:57):
if we should save diet. You know the question diet diet.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I mean, Patty and I get back to diet all
the time. I mean, it's a foundational thing. There's no
way that you have good health with a crappy diet.
I mean, the human body is amazing and it can
limp along and rob Peter to pay Paul, and you
can do a lot of amazing things on a crappy diet,

(28:26):
but ultimately it catches up to you. And I imagine
that sugar is biggie, and uh, I mean I haven't.
I always tell people that I have, you know, thirty
two sweet peat. But but but you know, and not

(28:54):
just sugar, but things that turn into sugar easily, so
that you know, maybe it's a reasonable idea to brush
your teeth after you eat mm hmmmm hmm, you know
if especially if you're eating the sugary you know, whatever foods.
But you know, honestly, we should minimize sugar in our diet. Right,

(29:20):
you're said that done. Folks. Don't get me wrong, I
like my sweet well, right, but.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
I feel like the dentists I was just saying. I
feel like it was the dentist that first taught me
how bad sugar was, right, you know where we first
learned so early in life about sugar and the harmon
has on the mouth. But you're exactly right that it
goes far beyond just sugar. Right. All of the ultra
processed food that we eat really seed and unhealthy oral microbiome.

(29:54):
So we want to avoid the packaged food. We want
to lean in to the whole foods, you know, the vegetables,
the fruits, the lean meats, the food that you could
go out into nature and get those would be the
ones that are going to you know, make for a

(30:14):
healthier oral microbiome. And you know, actually it was with
the Industrial Revolution. There were too many I think I
might be getting too deep in here, but just to
say that over our you know, through the fossil record,
we can identify when our oral health went down hill.

(30:35):
And the first the first step was with the agricultural revolution,
right when we started eating rains and we stopped foraging.
You know, that was a big dive. And but the
one that really kind of put the nail in the
coffin was the industrial revolution when we could ultra process things.
And suddenly, as we started eating a diet that was

(30:58):
more processed, the harmful bacteria in our mouths just skyrocketed,
and so we have more oral disease along with heart
disease and diabetes and all these other chronic conditions.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
You know, I just want to reiterate one thing you
said that you know, we eat sugar and sugary stuff
are things that turn to sugar quickly, and we are
actually giving the nutrients that organisms that we really need
to keep at bay. We're giving them the food that

(31:32):
they really like and we're helping them proliferate. And so
it's it's not just you know, sugar in and of itself,
it's that we are we are enhancing the population of
organisms that will do us harm. And that's not just
in the mouth, it's in the gut as well. An

(31:56):
ultra processed food doesn't have much fiber, and we know
we need fiber because fiber is is a nutrient for
some of these organisms in our gut, and and those
organisms eat that the good ones and and actually create

(32:16):
substances that even make vitamins that we can't make. And
so you know, don't take the sugar thing lightly. So yeah,
this is but this you know, obviously mouth health is
overall health, and and they're not separated. And so having

(32:40):
good habits, which includes diet, you know, makes sense. Okay, folks,
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Speaker 3 (35:23):
Okay, we are back Vanessa Hall here with cass Nelson Dooley.
We are talking about the oral microbiome and just how
important it is. We talked in the last segment about
bad things in the mouth for the mouth microbiome. We

(35:44):
talked about mouthwash, particularly those with alcohol that are drying
and they kill the good bacterio. We talked about toothpaste,
we talked about sugars. What we didn't touch based on
was the two of the big ones smoking tobacco, chewing tobacco,

(36:04):
and then just alcohol. So just been a couple of
minutes on those things. I mean, they're still bad for
you for so many other reasons, but they affect the microbiome.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Right, Well, you know, I would say they affect the microbiome.
I am. You know, I haven't studied this in detail,
but I do know these are major risk factors for
oral cancer, right, And I think it was you know,
we just recently, I think April is oral cancer Awareness month,

(36:39):
and sadly we lost Val Kilmer to oral cancer that
month as well. But it's kind of a good reminder
to help all of us be, you know, more aware
about oral cancers. And again, I mean the microbiome. I
kind of argue that a strong, healthy micro oral microbiome

(37:01):
is a good defense against oral cancers, right, having healthy bacteria,
having low inflammation in the mouth. But you know, uh eight,
you know, certain viruses like HPV in the mouth is
very increases the risk of oral cancer. Tobacco use increases
the risk of oral cancer. Alcohol, there's a there are

(37:24):
you know, I'm sure gum disease absolutely increases the risk
of not only oral cancer, but other head and neck cancers.
So you know, when we have I mean, you know,
I think a lot of times it's damaged cells in
the mouth. You know, tobacco and alcohol can likely you know,
damage cells in the mouth and turn them into cancer cells.

(37:45):
Eventually that can't be stopped, you know. But you know,
it's it's all of these together that can really set
someone up for a disease. So we want to minimize
these things as much as possible so that the mouth
can be healthy and the and the.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Whole right, and so good things we can do for
the mouth. I mean, we've we've touched on diet, avoiding sugar,
you know, obviously, alcohol, tobacco, other you know. I mean
when you're when I was a kid, you know, it's
like go gurgle with salt water or later on more recently,

(38:26):
it's like, you know, you should do a uh coconut
oil uh pushing around your mouth, pulling it called oil.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, and these these are. I mean, actually, I've got
a huge response when we wrote I wrote a blog
about gurgling with different solutions, you know, but mostly for
throat health, but also oil health. And I get tremendous
interest from people about salt water bargles and salt water rinses,

(38:57):
and and the dental research really suggests that salt water
is a wonderful thing to rent with. So if you're
not you know, if you don't have a lot of
dyspiosis in the mouth, it's a great kind of it's
kind of a treatment, but it's just very gentle and
it's not very disruptive to the microbion So I do.
I still think Grandma's you know, Grandma's humanity of salt

(39:19):
water is on the table. Let's leave it on the table.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
And it's cheap, you know, it's almost almost free about
it's supposed to freeze. It gets its Yeah, it do.
I mean, I hear about coconut pulling, but I've never
really looked into it. Any any comments on that.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, it has a long historical tradition in Ai your Veda,
so me too. You know, I had never oil pulled,
And when I looked into the research I was kind
of surprised that it It modulates the oil microbiome at
boun and fouf bacteria and fungus in the mouth and

(40:05):
when as I've been learning more about it too, it's
kind of a nice alternative to mouthwash because it's not
a stripping and drying type of agent. It is a
moisturizing type of agent, you know, for the mouth. So
you know, coconut it's pretty simple. People can get organic
coconut oil and you know, rints with I don't know,

(40:29):
you know, tablespoon or two, and then you spit it
into the trash, of course, so that you.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Don't right, But I do think oil.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Pulling is completely legitimate treatment, and I think it doesn't
have the same risks that something like traditional mouthwash has.
Tungue scraping is another method that can change the microbiome
and encourage the bacteria that help port healthy blood pressure

(41:01):
on the tongue. So you want to be you would
want to be gentle with tongue scraping. It's not like
you're trying to, you know, tear anything off your tongue,
but just a gentle kind of disrupting, right, because bacteria
can live down deep in the little nooks and crannies
of the tongue. So yeah, and then non toxic toothpaste.

(41:23):
One of my colleagues called, you know, some of the
toothpaste on the shelf at the grocery store toxy paste.
So it's not just about fluoride either. I mean, there's
a lot of chemicals in our toothpaste that are toxic
to our mute, our mouth lining and don't really have
a cleansing benefit, you know, they just make SuDS or

(41:45):
they you know, have different effects that don't really help
us have a healthier mouth. It's just for the effects,
you know, the effects of brushing teeth. So watch out
for your toothpaste ingredients.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Any particular toothpaste that you recommend, well.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I personally do like the hydroxy appetite toothpaste. There are
quite a few brands out there now, there's rise Well,
there's fig f y Gg, there is Super Teeth, and
those are just a few companies. Actually, Biocide and Botanicals

(42:27):
has a toothpaste out there.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
And can we find this information in your book or
on your website?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
It those toothpaste are not going to be in my book,
but they will be on my website. In my blog
because I do talk about products specifically.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Okay, give us your web address again.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Sure it's health First Consulting dot com.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Health take Health First Consulting dot com. That's show. I'm
going to check that out, and I'm going to change
my toothpaste today and I'm gonna pull out the coconut oil.
Coconut oil, I love you, you know, I use it
on my hair and my skin and so forth. But

(43:15):
you know, it has so many great properties. And I
remember that Gosh, I don't know where I read this,
but that zillion years ago and the South Pacific a
dentists went to one of the islands where the coconut
was a staple and noticed that the islanders didn't have cavities.

(43:36):
But when those islanders moved to the city and were
you know, modernized, they started developing cavities. So maybe coconut
is the key. Uh. We we have taken out a break.
Our last segment is coming up. I told you cast
it goes by fast, So hankhad folks, we have more coming.

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Speaker 3 (46:35):
Okay, okays, it's go and buy so fast. This is
our last eight minute segment, and it's just we never
have enough time. When we over the break, we were
talking about things that you can do for your mouth.
One of those things is testing that you can actually

(46:58):
test and see what's living in your mouth. You know,
but you know, clearly not everyone should go out and
you know, get their oral microbiome evaluated. Who would have
been visit most from this kind of testing.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Sure, I think people who are having those oral health
symptoms that are it's not getting better with the usual treatments. Right,
You're going to the dentist, you're brushing, you're flossing, you're
eating a good diet, and you're still having you know,
you're there's still gum disease, or there's still gum loss,

(47:40):
you know, or your teeth are getting loose, or you're
still having these root canal infections pop up. So that
would be a good time to check what's happening in
the mouth, What type of bacteria are living in the mouth.
Are there some bad players that are making havoc in
the mouth, or you know, are there is there a
way to replenish the good bacteria?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Right?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Because you know, we're living in the era of lots
of antibiotics, and so we have some unhealthy bacteria that
kind of can control things, and it's a little bit
of a process to try to put the good bacteria
back in charge the way they're supposed supposed to be.
So some of these tests, actually I'll point you again

(48:24):
to my blog. I have a blog that I wrote
called best Oral microbion Tests, and I really kind of
break it down. This is a might even be better
for practitioners. But practitioners and consumers can look at this
resource and go through all of the tests available, what
they cost, what the pros and the cons are of

(48:46):
each one. And I you know, there's oral DNA labs.
There's one called Bristle. I like both of those. There's
one called simply pario. So and there's more of these
coming all the time. You may have to go through
a dentist to order this test or a clinician. A
few of them are now available to consumers direct to consumers,

(49:08):
so you might just be you know, if you ordered
the Bristle test, you can just order it on yourself
and you don't need a doctor to order it for you.
So now when you get your results, that's where you
know it's you may want to take a dental probiotic.
You know, if your you know, bad bacteria are high
in the mouth, that doesn't mean that you necessarily need

(49:31):
an antibiotic. It could mean that you just need to
take some more good bacteria and try to put more
good bacteria in control of the mouth. So you can
do that with a lot of the things we talked
about today. But a dental probiotic is a really neat idea.
There are a few out there. Examples are some of

(49:52):
those same companies I brought up earlier, like super Teeth
has a dental probiotic bio side and Botanicals as a
dental probiotic. There's a fa The famous one is from Bliss.
It's b l I s. They discovered a certain good
bacteria that was found in a healthy mouth that was

(50:13):
free of disease, called Streptococcus sala areas, and so they
patented that strain of probiotic and if you can find
it for the mouth, and then they have a different
strain that is really good for ear nose and throat health.
So yeah, you can add good bacteria to the mouth.
These are lozenges usually they melt.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
In the mouth.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
It's not like the probiotic you take that you swallow
that then affects your gut health. So yeah, these are
these are ways that you can build a healthy oral microbiome.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
And uh and that if you have a blog on
your website with that information as well.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yes I do.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Okay, So folks go to health First Consulting, get this
inform nation, start doing this, you know, share this information.
You know, I mean, we all know people who have
gum disease. They're going to the dentists every four months.
The gums still hurt, are still swollen, are still painful,

(51:14):
or receding, they're losing bone, et cetera, et cetera. You know,
help these folks if their health of their mouth back.
But remember the health of the mouth can impact the
rest of the body. So you know, this is information
I think needs to be shared far and wide. And folks,

(51:37):
you know, tomorrow Thehealthylife dot net will have the recording
of this show on demand, so you can share that
with everyone. You can also go to my website in
the Wellness Soul Loutions s o u O loutions dot
com and under the podcast area with program podcasts. I

(52:01):
will have that posted up as well Healthy Life Do
That will only post it for three months. But this,
this to me, needs to be shared with everyone. It's easy,
low hanging fruit, doesn't cost you a ton of money,
but the downstream effects can be profound. So you know,

(52:27):
my mind is just just a little just a little blown.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, And what we've been doing, what we've been taught
is maybe not the best. So it's kind of a
little bit of a re restructuring how we approach the mouth. Right,
it's not all about killing the bad, you know, we
actually want to raise up the good so that they
can take control and promote health and the.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Guys the problem. Killing the bad also kills the good,
exactly right.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
I was just going to say to you. Guys can
find me on social media at cass Nelson Dooley that's
c A S S N E L s O N
d O O L E y or at Health First Consulting.
On my website you can sign up for my monthly newsletter.
I would love to have you join, and I do
give discount on oral health products and supplements and put

(53:25):
out an evidence based blog every month, and yeah, it
would be great. And of course to heal your oral
Microbiome is available wherever you buy your books, but Amazon
dot com is an easy place. So thank you to
everyone for joining us today.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yes, yes, you know, but you have information on not
just the mouse.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
So there's a variety of health topics from a real scientist,
a person who actually understands what they're researching and going
to to credible sources for the materity. You know, folks,
there's a lot of junk out there on the Internet,

(54:13):
and you really have to be careful about the sources
you go to for your information. You can trust heal
first consulting. You know, you have a credible person in
the field, has done lots of different things and has
that inquisitive scientific mind and can distill this information down

(54:37):
so that you can read it and understand it, you know.
And I think that's one of the best things about
your book, Cast is that the average person can read
that book and get so much out of it and
really understand it. And so I can't encourage folks, you
know enough about getting this book out of this book

(55:00):
for your family, you know, and teach your children, you know,
get them to have these good habits now so that
they don't run into those problems that we see in adults.
And just one quick story, I had a patient that

(55:20):
had just chronic bleeding gums. They were you know, receding,
and she was in the periods all the time. And
there was a product called juice Plus back in the day,
and she started taking it because she doesn't eat, she
didn't need no vegebles and fruits each day. But four

(55:42):
months later or so, for dentist was like, oh, gums
are so much better, and then she had clear improvement,
less bleeding, and over time her gums were restored to
good health with just that's all we do. And I

(56:04):
wasn't it wasn't even you know, I didn't have her
start that for that reason. But my point to illustrate
here is just that nutrition really really matters, and you know,
if your gums are and your mouth is just not well,

(56:25):
don't ignore your nutrition. And again health First Consulting dot
com go and sign up and go through her blogs
and you will be better off as a result.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Final thoughts, well, I love your point about juice Plus
because we didn't get a chance to talk about how
the colorful fruits and vegetables are prebiotics. Those are like
food for good bacteria. When you were eating, when you
were eating colorful fruits and vegetables, you are building up

(57:06):
a healthier oral microbiome. So I think that may have
been a major piece of the improvement you sawt with
that patient. That's very cool.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah, I mean it was. I mean I couldn't explain
it at the time. It's like thirty years ago when
I actually had a practice. But thank you so much
for joining me today. This has been so important, and
you know, I've learned so much, and I hope that
you folks out there have learned a lot as well.

(57:36):
Everyone take care, Cass. Thank you again. Everyone, stay well
and see you next time.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Thank you so much.