New Beginnings with Host Patti Conklin and Co-Host Frenesa Hall, MD

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Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's time now for the Patti Conklin Show, exclusively on
healthylife dot Net Radio.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Hey everyone, welcome.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
It's a Patty and Vanessa's show making Sense to the world.
And boy do I need help making sense to the
world today? And for Anessa and I are gonna just
go into it all today. We really wanted to talk
today about new beginnings, starting over. There seems to be

(01:03):
a lot of that in the air.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
I know with my life it is, and yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
We'll probably get into some of that as well. But
as we're coming up into the fourth of July, I
think it's also important to talk about freedom. Are we
really free? I mean, you know, what what does that really.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Mean for each of us?

Speaker 4 (01:25):
And you know, it's easy to say that it's a
it could be a cultural thing, or it could be
a genetic thing, but it's really.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Kind of an individual thing. But I think.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Groups of people would look at it differently. So, you know,
I kind of like to break that down a.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Little bit as well. What does freedom really mean?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
And which way do you want to start?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
I you know, I think we ought to start with
a free them because I think that, you know, the
starting over and the new beginning can can offshoot from
there because hopefully, yeah, saint our perceptions right, Hopefully if
we've stuck and plugged on something in terms of freedom,

(02:19):
that we can change our perception and start over.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
New beginnings and that.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
So let's let's kind of tackle that one first.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Freedom. You know, these days, it's a very charged word
in some respect, you know, And and I think it's
a mindset. I think because because a lot of times

(02:48):
you hear you say I didn't have a choice. I
had no choice, you know, right, And I mean I
think I think what would be more appropriated to say
I had no good choice, I had no good.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Odor there you go.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
But we do have a choice, I mean, we can
choose between the witch or the devil. Right, right. You
may not want either one, but you do have choice.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Well, and there is to not make a choice, and that's.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Still a choice, yes, And you know what, I have
encountered a lot of people who do that. They simply
don't choose, and then it's a default that's left to
whomever else's you know, downstream from whatever that indecision is.

(03:43):
But I think we need to strip it down. I
think we need to strip it down to its essence.
I mean, I think if you get in a religious,
spiritual kind of way, you know, humans have free will
right right, and we can exercise it and we can

(04:09):
make those tough choices if we choose to. Yeah, But
I think sometimes we humans forget that we actually do
have free will. And and then on the other hand,
I think we have people who exercise their free will
all over the place, you know, indescriminately, and that in

(04:34):
the ways you know, it affects other people. And I
think if you're in relationship, if you're in relationship, you
have you have you have taken on responsibilities. You know,
I'm married, I you know, it took a vow, you know,
and you know, and so I have responsibility. I feel

(04:56):
have free will but I can do things that break
my vow, you know, right, I have the choice, the
joy we have to be right, you know, but I
think people don't own it, you know. I think that's
part of the problem with with freedom is owning your

(05:18):
all of your decisions good, bad, and different. And obviously
you know, good is a relative thing. Bad is a
relative thing. If I choose to punch you in the face,
it's bad for you.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Best for me.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
That maye good to you, and they go, wow, they
were a good joy, I mean, right, But it is
one of those things of we have, you know. I
always say, you know, God told us we have free will,
and and to me, free will means I can be
as happy as I want or as miserable as I want.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
I have that choice.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Whom I have that to oh, happy with my life
as I want it. It's miserable with my life what
free will means to me?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yet, But you know, that is the ultimate choice, because
we can choose to be happy despite what is going on.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, you know, I mean I think we certainly really
experience that profoundly. During COVID lockdown, I know a lot
of people who were deeply unhappy and fearful and all
of these things. And you know, I remember, I've worked

(06:42):
from home since twenty fifteen, so I didn't have to
go out in the world place and write all that.
But I just remember all these people be miserable, and
I'm like being quiet because I'm like perfectly happy. Oh
it's right, you know. I was like, you know, I mean,
there are there are things that I did to help

(07:03):
protect myself with various supplements and such. Sure, ultimately I
was I was okay, I'm like, okay, I'm in my house.
I'm well, I'm you know, I'm okay.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
But I think I think you I think.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's I think that when you really drilled down to
the essence of free will, I think that you have
hit it on the head and that we can choose
how we feel right.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right, you know that force, the external force doesn't have
the top spot. We have the top right, and how
we to feel about it?

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Right? Because the problem isn't the problem. The problem is
how we react to the problem exactly. Oh, we need
to make this go down that one. The problem isn't
the problem, and them is how we react to the problem.
That was not an original.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
It wasn't original.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't know where I'm stealing from.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
You know, but it's true.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, it is true. I mean and and when we're
honest with ourselves, you know, we're by ourselves in this
quiet space, there's no denying it. I think that I
think there's a lot of scapegoating and going on. Now,

(08:32):
you know, these other people are the problem. You know,
it's just a stereotype of whole group of people, right,
they're the problem. Ultimately, we are responsible for our lives. Yeah,
and you look, you think about it. There are people
that were handed the worst deck of cards that life

(08:54):
could have dealt them. Oprah Winfrey, you know, her childhood sucke,
she's a billionaire. Okay, so you know, at some point
it's like, well, what excuse do I have. I've been
I have had, you know, the traumas that she's had
in her life, you know other people? Uh, and I'm not.

(09:18):
And you know the thing is, it's not to deny
anyone's experiences, right, but I think we have to get
to a point where we don't use our experiences to
keep us from doing what we can do right and
choosing and saying okay, yes, this happened.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
It did happen.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, but I'm moving on and persisting anyway. And I
know in your work you see in people that does
trapped emotional traumas. I mean, right describe you know. When
I had my first sort of mini session with you,

(10:00):
you know, you shed light on those things, and you
know when I reflected on them, I could, I could
connect them to certain experiences. You know. But I read
a quote recently said memory isn't in the brain, it's

(10:21):
in the body. Yes, And I thought, ooh, and then
I just saw a know, I just got a structured
water jumped in my head and I started googling it
and I ran across some of the work of Japanese
doctor PhD I believe, and he was showing that water

(10:44):
will change its crystalline shape based on the emotion that you.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
To it work. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
And humans are how you know what percentage water are?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
We?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I never can remember that. I'm freaking document.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
I can't remember that's but it's high. No, but I
think we're in the eighties, seventies or eighties percent water.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I'm googling it.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
As we like I could.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I could look it up since sixty percent water infants
seventy five, adult men, sixty percent, adult women fifty to
fifty five percent, elderly forty five to fifty five percent.
So I mean, if we have that much water, and
water holds emotion. You know. I read that when you

(11:41):
get a massage, it mobilizes fluid that the collective somewhere,
and that that's why people get this rush of emotion
sometimes when a certain spot is hit. I know other
experienced that had a massage and then all of a sudden,
I'm crying, you know, like whoa. You know, it wasn't

(12:02):
the pain of the the not they were working out.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
So when we don't address those emotional traumas pain bodies
as I could totally look describe them, they they take
us over. And then in some regards we don't have

(12:28):
a choice because if we have relinquished the controls, then
we just react based on these some scars or you know,
depending on whatever. You know, pain, body pain, the emotions

(12:49):
trapped in the memory in our bodies. If we don't
deal with those, then when we are triggered by some
situation that might be benign in fact, but it's perceived
by these emotions just below the surface react and that

(13:12):
reaction is absolutely you know, out of control. But when
we go when we clear those things and you know
the process, it's not like you know, jumping the washing
machine and you know, washing them off and stop out
clean Renie.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
It's that easy.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
But you know, I think when we address those things
and we we don't react. And I know for myself
because I've been I've been really working on this. Two
certain situations that have historically made me nuts, really really
irritated me. I ultimately, you know, with the work of

(13:52):
my coach, recognized that it wasn't about these other people.
It was about the crap that I had toward. That
this situation was triggering, and I had to go and
get quiet and really come to terms with what that
emotional crap was and to let it go or relax

(14:15):
and releases, as Michael Singer says, and lo and behold,
I am in this situation fairly regularly, and I and
I am a different person, Like I just go into
it and that whatever has been happening is happening, and
I'm not affected by it. I'm just I'm like looking

(14:37):
at it and observing, you know. And and so then
I have a so then I'm I'm observing the situation
and I'm not triggered and reactive.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Right right.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
But I think that the other thing that is really
that comes in there as well is the fact that
you know, we can choose the trigger not trigger, become
the observer, which a lot of people, especially lately. I

(15:10):
was reading an article yesterday by by a good friend
and that guy used to date and his his premise was,
if you sit back and just observe, then you're part
of the problem. And if you don't take activism, if
you don't take part in activism, then your your past

(15:34):
being passive is creating a problem. And also went back
and forth on that, back and forth on that, and
it's like, but I can't tell you how many people
believe that way.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well that, but isn't the goal of.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Our evolution to become the observer?

Speaker 5 (15:52):
I mean, God one is in charge.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
But I think that by becoming the observer, for we
refrain from being reactive and then we get to choose
what we do or don't do. Right now, someone saying that, oh,
if you're not doing anything, you are part of the problem.

(16:17):
I kind of take issue with that because what you
define as taking action may not be what I'm capable of.
And I think that we can do things in little
ways and we can do things in bigger ways. I mean,
so I have friends, like I've gone to some of
the protests because that's what I believe, and I've gone.

(16:40):
I have other friends that absolutely will not go. But
do they donate to certain charities or they ac lu
or you know whatever? Are they doing things locally? You know,
say you know, adopting not adopting adopting, but say adopting

(17:00):
a kid and making sure that the kid gets school surprise,
and know that. I mean, we can do things in
little personal ways. And I think we've got to stay
away from judging people for not doing what it is
that we think is necessary for amen, you know whatever.
You know, that's our judgment. And it's so true.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
It's so true because if you don't see that, you know,
so many people, if they don't see their friends participating
with them or as part of.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Them, then they.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Think that they're not supporting them. And I think that,
you know, and you know me, I have donated to
everything under the sun, I think throughout my lifetime. I
mean that's part of who I am. So so when
somebody's you know, canvassing or calling and you know, or

(17:55):
a group of friends get together and say we're going
to donate to this group and you know, be a
part of us, and I say, no, thank you. They
don't know that I may have already sent that group
five thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I don't feel like another you know, but it's not
a contest, right, And I think that being the observer
is it's the first step. It's the step to actually
having a conscious choice about what to do in whatever

(18:29):
with regard to whatever it is you're seeing now what
you then you have the choice to do whatever it
is that you feel is best for the situation and
for you. And I think that's what we're getting at
because so often we just react. Nobody says something, you

(18:50):
take it the wrong way and boom off to the races.
And I've certainly been guilty of that, yep. But that's
the yeah, and that's the the that's the where we
don't have a choice because we just reacted. And I
think that you know, taking that step back and being
able to be the observer minute to minute in every

(19:14):
situation and stop and go, okay, this is this something
that requires meant to do something, and then if it
is if I think I need to do something, then
I get to choose what that is. And and I
think that's the goal, right to be conscious of what

(19:40):
we how we are responding in the world. Right, it's
a it's a it's hard. I mean, I man, it's
it takes efforts to keep yourself in check. And I
mean I found reading Michael Singer's unto Living and Living

(20:02):
Untethered and Untethered Soul or something like that, you know,
helpful in the sense that he described it like this,
when we have these unaddressed I thought this was brilliant,
unaddressed emotions that are just in there and they get
triggered and then we feel that all of that all
over again, and it's you know, sometimes it's out of

(20:23):
proportion to whatever the situation is, and the real root
is in that emotional trauma.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
From the past.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
He said, if you don't deal with these things and
clear them out, you know, and sit with them instead
of reacting and let it go, it's like going out
to eat, getting food that you didn't like that made
you sick, asking for doggie bags so you could take

(20:51):
it home and taste it. Again, go, Yeah, that was bad,
you know, I mean, that's just insanity. But that's what
we do, you know, it's what we do.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Or we don't really like it and we take it home,
we put it in the refrigerator. It's just there until
the rock. It's like, you know, I know, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna come back with when we come back on
the other side, I'm gonna I'm gonna put a hot
button out there. And because it really affected me yesterday

(21:25):
and I was kind of talking about freedom and thought.
So folks, when we come back, we're looking forward to
opening up this can of worms, seeing where we go.
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (24:13):
Hey, everyone is Patty and Vanessa making sense of the world.
And boy are we attempting to make sense of the world.
And we're talking about freedom today, and we're talking about
new beginnings, just all sorts of things. And I was
telling for Vanessa. She heard the same thing. So she's

(24:36):
got her thoughts on it. I've got my thoughts on it.
But let me let me address the big picture here.
We don't do a lot of politics on this show,
because I think most of the time it's just not
it's just not some prudent to get into that space
because we all have different beliefs and thoughts.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
And so forth.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
But we're talking about freedom and how we how we
take our responsibilities for how we react, how we take
something else from someone else, and the decisions that we
make personally that may or may not affect other people.
And so I'm going to bring up a quote that

(25:19):
was said yesterday, and this was from Senator Murkowski of Alaska,
and what she said was she was being interviewed about
the budget bill that passed through the Senate yesterday, and
what she said was, as as a senator, I have

(25:41):
to look for out from my constituents. And they elected me,
they put me in office. I have to look for them.
I have to look out for them. And this bill,
this budget bill, will be positive for the people in
the state of Alaska, my constituents. However, I know it's

(26:05):
a disgusting bill and I know that millions.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Of other people in other states will suffer.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
And I guessed. I guessed because I'm like, well, A,
what would I do if I were in that position? Like, right,
if I got elected into power if I was, you know,
representing a certain state, and that's who I need to
look at, that's who I'm supposed to.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Be voting for.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
But knowing that I'm going to allow millions of other
people in other states to suffer because it will affect
them negatively. And I just couldn't get that out of
my mind. And I just couldn't get that out of
my mind because the choice she was making affected, yes,

(26:55):
her constituents, but affected the entire nation.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
And A I.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Wouldn't want that pressor put on me. But B could
I in good conscience be okay with millions of other
people suffering?

Speaker 3 (27:12):
So that my state, which is not a huge.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
State in terms of the constituencies.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
So take it from there.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
I set it up, okay, so said, you teed it
up for me. Well, so I just did a little
quick Google search. As of mid twenty twenty four, a
last estimated population stands at seven hundred and forty one
thousand and forty seven. Is that it okay, less than
a billion? But I did a chat GPT, so seven

(27:47):
one forty seven divided by three hundred million equals point
oh two five percent. Well of people in this country.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Okay, So just to begin, I know that's people are
elected to as senators to represent their states, but also
the people of the United States. They swore an oath
to the Constitution, and the whole point was coming together

(28:28):
and doing what's best for the country and your state.
And sometimes those things, you know, create conflict, conflict, and
that person has to navigate that, and I respect that
that's sometimes a difficult choice.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I think that I think that that reasoning doesn't hold water.
And I say that because you cannot say out of
one side of your mouth it's a disgusting bill, right,
and then on the other side say, oh, but it

(29:07):
helps my seven hundred thousand people that I represent, and
we're gonna throw the other, you know, two hundred and
ninety nine million under the bus.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well, I mean, I'm sure there's some states that will
also benefit. I mean, you know, it's it's not just
the last but yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
But the thing is that was her, that was her
explanation for doing it. Yeah, So then my question comes
with that kind of reasoning, and then I can say, then,
then can I justify say, going into someone's home stealing

(29:50):
their stuff because it's going to be good for my
family because we don't have any right, but then they
don't have it right. So and I also think that
there are mech mechanisms in the government where you can
propose a bill to address these things that help your state, right,
they don't have to be in this big conglomerate. And

(30:15):
that's what I could challenge the challenges I think with
the government that I like to put all these different
things in the bill. You know, they'll it's like, oh,
let's tag on a little you know this, you know whatever,
whatever that's unrelated like the ACA, you know, the Obamacare bill.
There are all SATs of provisions in there that had
nothing to do with the with the bill. So exactly,

(30:35):
you're telling me that there isn't a mechanism set up
such that you could say, you know what, there are
certain aspects of this that really helped the state of Alaska,
but there's so much that is really detrimental to a
huge number of people that I would like to carve
these things out and vote for those, but I can't.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Supprit that well. And why to be fair?

Speaker 4 (31:00):
To be fair? And I don't know if she expounded
on this in another in another interview, however, it has
the Senate with changes within the bill that now has
to go back to the House and has to be
passed again in the House, and a lot of people
in the House, you know, are not liking the changes.

(31:24):
So whether it will pass the House again and go
back to the Senate, that's that's a totally different story, right.
But and so they did carve out some of some
of lord knows what because it's probably two billion pages
long and nobody read it.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Any well, yeah, I'm sure it does.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
But I think there's that challenges with the reasoning that
she used.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
I think, yeah, faulty reasoning.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, yeah, I cannot screw other people to help myself.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Right right, right?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
And and let's take it on that level, because that's
a that's a really true statement. Where does our moral
compass come in as people in position, people in you know,
within the government, but even individuals such as you and
I in having our businesses and so forth. Do I

(32:17):
go ahead and be sick in order for me to
make more money off of their.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Fears of being sick?

Speaker 4 (32:25):
And let's continue this when we come back.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
But I think it's really true.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
How do we have our moral compass and still be
a leader so let's come back. Both when we come back,
will continue this great topic.

Speaker 9 (32:40):
I like it, so we'll see you on the other side.

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Hey everyone, thanks for coming back and joining us. This
is Patty and Vanessa making sense of the world, and
we're really working today. I'm making sense of some of
you know, what's going on in our world and how
things are being affected. And Fanessa, I really wanted to

(35:37):
you know, we talked about Senator Mkowski uh yesterday and
and her statement that the bill would that the budget
bill would help the citizens of Alaska, but would be
harmful for millions of other people. But she could only
look at Alaska.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
How do we break that.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Down into to our local communities or you know, you're
I mean, you know, I've had many positions as directors
of different nonprofit organizations, having to answer to my board
of directors, having board of directors give me directives that
I morally ethically could not follow and quit my job

(36:21):
because of it. And but I could afford to right
because I knew I could find a job right when
you're stuck in a positions and we could take so
many different scenarios. But when we're stuck in a positions
locally or you know, within our state that is morally

(36:41):
and ethically in your mind wrong, may not be wrong
in other people's minds, but your mind, how do we
deal with this? How do we reach a sense of
being able to balance those warring sides?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, you know, I think that that's a challenge for
anyone in the leadership position. I think that you well,
for a first of all, if you're in a whatever position,
you cannot please every person.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
And so I think ultimately you have to look at
what is the mission of the company or whatever that
you're doing, Like, what is the ultimate goal? And is
your decision adhering to that? But I think the other thing.
You know that the first rule of medicine is what first,

(37:37):
do no harm?

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Right? Right? And I think that you know, with government,
I mean, it's really hard because the decisions you make
can harm people. Right. I think that the that these
are areas that I wouldn't mean. You know, I never
went to politics. I have no desire to do that.

(38:00):
But even as a business owner, you know, when I
have my medical practice, you know, somebody coming to the
office you know, walking in sick as a dog and
it's five o'clock and now I have to stay late

(38:20):
with my staff and pay them over time that this
person is.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Sick, right, right, what do you do? Well? You know,
you set up and you take care.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Of them, right, because that's the oath that I took. Right, Yeah,
then I think that it is. I think that each
individual has to sort of search their own soul for
where that comes out. But I think ultimately, you know,

(38:48):
if if you're being asked to do something that you
know is truly harmful and not in line with what
your company or or your government, physician or whatever it's

(39:09):
supposed to do, then you know, you it's a rock
in a hard place. Particularly, you know, like you said,
you're fortunate enough to be able to afford to take
that loss and get another job or start a business
or whatever. And I think of some people are stuck
and and I think that those those situations are are

(39:33):
very individual. I don't think that we can come up
with sort of a global this is how you do it, a.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Template for it, But I mean, right, it also comes
down to that personal knowing yourself, like knowing your your
moral compass, which may not be the same as somebody else's.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
But your moral compass.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
I know, years ago, years ago, I was living in
Michigan and it was election, you know, coming up into
election year, and I was asked to be the campaign
manager for the Republican governor who was running.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
And we sat down and we.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Interviewed him because interviewed each other because I wanted to
know what his platform was blah blah blah before accepting
a job as a campaign manager. Campaign manager for governor
is you know awesome? I mean it's something I thrive on.
And we went through his platform and I.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Was like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
I can back that feeling awesome. And then he said
to me, and we're going to take everyone who's on
Medicaid and government assistant and if they're healthy and they
have no children, who are just going to take them off.
And I said, well, okay, so what step program are

(40:55):
we going to do to teach them a trait, you know,
something where they can go get at his job, It's like,
we're not gonna I said, well, then they're gonna be homeless.
And he's like, yeah, they'll move to the south. The
South can deal with them, they don't need to stay
up here. And I just looked at him and I said,
thank you so much for this interview, but I will
not be your campaign on Earth. I can support that,

(41:18):
and I'm not going to stand up there and through
your platform.

Speaker 9 (41:21):
Right.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
I mean he had me right until then.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Right, But but but you know that was my moral compass, right.
I Mean the thing too, is that kind of cavalier
callous attitude is ridiculous because what he's saying, he's like, oh,
if you're quote healthy, okay, let's define what healthy.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Is, right Exactly?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
My question is, well, if you're healthy, how did you
get on the service to begin with? Something's going on.
So if you're saying, let's go through, let's reevaluate people
to see if they still qualify, right, and then you
systematically address each individual and then you and I am
sure there are people scamming the system for sure, Okay, okay, absolute,

(42:07):
But to just say blanket if you're quote healthy with
some I don't know measurement, then you're just kicked off
because there are people who you know, maybe are healthy,
but maybe they have limited intellect, right, I mean right,

(42:28):
I mean, you know else to say that actitely. But
you know, those are people who get left behind in school,
eventually drop out, have no skills and don't have the
capacity to function. Let's say as well, right, why would
you take that person off of a They're healthy physically, right,

(42:51):
it's got a business, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
But so and I always looking at, you know, like
what kind of trade. I mean, even if they start
help building roads or you know, I mean, there's just
so many different things that people can be doing to
help society. But if you're going to blanket systematically, it's

(43:14):
just going up, you know, well, they're going to become hopeless.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Then they're going to have a hopeless problem. Right now
we're in Michigan.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
They'll go to the south. The southern states can deal
with them.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
It was that's what they did. That's what they did
in Atlanta during the Olympics. They gave homeost people with
bus ticket to wherever.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yeah, I was like, yeah, for reasons, that's how you
don't want the problems.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
So so it's let's come let's come back. Just you
and I can go on this for for forever, but
let's come back and say, you know, how do we
now if we if we're setting our moral compass, how
do we move forward and starting new and having our
new beginnings, and how do we free ourselves from dogma

(44:03):
of the past and moving into the future. So folks
will be right back, and thank you so much for
joining us. We appreciate you and Healthy Life Network and
we'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (46:47):
Hey everyone, it's Patty and for Anessa, welcoming you back.
And we're making sense of the world and having a
spirited discussion today, which I love because we can. Vanessa
and I have a relationship that I hope everyone can

(47:08):
can experience in their life. Love each other dearly, deeply
close friends. But we don't always agree, and we still
love each other despite that, right we the fact that
we have differing ideas and thoughts, and we don't.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Judge each other because of it.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
And I think that that's so critical in life. So please,
I hope all of you have friends out there that
you feel that way about, that you can agree to
disagree and still love each other and not have to judge,
because too many relationships are friend enough because of politics
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Yeah, so politics and religion.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Politics and religion, I mean so so true, so so
in talking about our freedoms and and things that just
are externally putting pressure on us. I think it's really
important that we keep our own personal moral compass and

(48:17):
that we really search inside of ourselves what's right for me,
not not because somebody else tells me it's right for me,
what's right for me, and going deep within yourself, folks,
and knowing what's right for you. And I do something
really silly as a spring, and we've talked about it,
but I'm building a house. And actually the house is done,

(48:41):
I mean in three and a half months. That's kind
of amazing that the house is done. But I can't
move in yet because the pump for the well has
not been installed yet. We're coming in on a vacation.
And and so my son lovingly said, last yep, I said,
you're going to be here a year, and next week

(49:05):
it's going to be a year, just like, oh my gooble.
But I'm looking at the new beginning, like, how do
you know? Just just because I mean, I move a lot,
and I think probably most anybody who knows me knows
that I enjoy moving and looking from.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
House to house to house.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
But but this is.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Something that's new for me, and I'm planning on saying
until my time here on earth is done. So how
do I look at the new beginnings? Yes, I'm still working,
Yes I'm still going to be in a home whatever,
But how do we establish our new beginnings? How do

(49:50):
we look at what is going to be right for
us despite what's going on externally, within our personal space
and within the world.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Talk to me, doc, oh, you know, I think ultimately
we are so shaped and molded by the environment in

(50:23):
which we group have grown up. You know, where we
are today is the cumulative effect of everything that has
happened to us in the past, and even in our
I mean you know, even in our in the womb,
you know, and being inherited from from you know, previous generations.

(50:43):
For me, I'll just speak for myself. I realized that
that I needed to be better and that I could
be better, and then I invested the time and effort
into myself working on myself should be a better person.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
But the point the thing I had asked is how
did you know which did I know could be better?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Well, I mean, well you know, I'm married to someone
who there's no problem telling me if that's very true,
that's very true. But but honestly, I mean, I think
you know when you when you you you know, you know,

(51:41):
you just inherently know when things are not okay. You know,
for instance, you know, if you continue to get into
disagreements with your friends.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Yeah, it can't just be all them.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I mean if you're like really like you're just so
perfect that that you know. I mean, I think I
think people have to get quiet and get and be honest,
be brutally honest with yourself. Yeah, because I think if
you do, there is no way any person walking this
earth can say, yeah, I'm perfect self good. Yeah, you know,

(52:27):
so it doesn't apply to me.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
I think that's nonsense.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
I think that you know and and and you you
look at what's going on out in the world, then
you know it's nonsense because you see some of the
things people do and say, and you're like, wow, that
person has done no self examination that's not worked on
in themselves and just being kind and loving to other people.

(52:52):
I mean I say that, you know, if you're truly
honest with yourself, else then how can you come up
with anything other than Yet there are things, there are
aspects in my life where I could be better. I
could be a better person, could be better spouse, better, father,
a better mother, better, you know, friend better where I mean?

(53:18):
But I just get the sense many people are so
distracted and so tuned into what's going on externally, and
it's those things out there that are causing my problem, right,
And I think that that's just that's just not accurate.

(53:42):
There are things that affect you, but you cannot say that.
You can't say that. You know, this is getting back
to a little political that it's the immigrants fault, right, right,
immigrants across the problems in the country because they're not

(54:05):
paying taxes or they're criminal or whatever. And it's like,
come on, you know that's just right, right, you know right,
and you know what I would be done that though.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
I need to insert.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
This, and it was it was I had learned this
from a history teacher. But you know, my family came
over to this country in sixteen forty two, and his
point was anyone whose family came to this country after
seventeen seventy six, when we became a country, is an

(54:41):
immigrant exactly. And I just and I kind of sat back,
and he's like, you're native, came you came in the
sixteen hundreds, you're native, but but anybody after that is
an immigrant. And it just cracked me up. When to
your point, it's got to be the end, the it's fault.
It's like, well, better start looking at better.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
That's that's most of us. I mean. But the thing is,
you know, there is no group of people that is
responsible for your day to day. And I think that
we always get that personal responsibility, don't we always? We
always you know, and and and you know, and I

(55:25):
hope people don't get the wrong impression. I am grateful
for my parents and the stable, safe household that I
grew up in and the different things that that afforded me.
And I know there are many people out there that
that didn't have that and don't have that right, But

(55:47):
you know, I we if we go with the mindset
that it's other people's fault, right, then where's the solution?
And exactly A, you're gonna wait for other people to
change to make your life better, right? I mean it

(56:09):
also because that doesn't really work. We we have to
I mean, I had patients who were chronic pain for whatever, whatever, whatever,
and they never complained. I never complained. Ever. They would
tell me how I was doing, and I'm like, are

(56:30):
you kidding me? And then I'd have someone else come
in with a hangnail, whining and crying like it's I
mean right, you know right, so, and I think at
the door at the grocery.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Store, I mean, you know it's and I know we
got to wrap up. And and if I never enough,
if you end up coming on next week, if I'm
not having moving day, I'd like to continue this because
I really think that we're in such a bubble right
now that we have.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
To look at things.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
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Speaker 4 (57:28):
So, thank you so much for being a part of today.
And h Vanessa love you and I love you. See
you next week. Folks, take care of yourselves, have a
good fourth of July, think about your moral coming, and
we'll see you soon.