March 9, 2025 • 60 mins
Indiana rallied to win on Senior Night over Ohio State, which should get the Hoosiers into the NCAA Tournament. We looked back on the game, the changes to Senior Night, and where IU goes from here.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
II you doing, everybody, I'm Ken Bikoffer. Welcome to the
Peaks Postgame Live. Obviously a little bit of a delayed
Peaks Post Game Live. Game ended more than twelve hours ago,
but there's a reason for that and why we went
about it that way. With the a normal home game,
it plays out like that. You got the final buzzer,
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you go inside, you do the press conferences. You have
to wait a little while for the press conferences to
come online and for the coaches to come in, the
players to come in, and then you have to put
up the video on Peaks dot Com. Then I go out,
I set up my equipment, and I go live. It
takes normally about forty five minutes after final buzzer. Actually
like doing these shows after road games because I go
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live right away.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You have.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yesterday's said situation, eight seniors Mike Woodson to speak, press conference,
wait for coaches to come in. It always takes a
little bit longer. On senior day you have press conferences
and then you have get things set up and go.
By that time it would have been hours after the game.
It still is now. But what this really allows me
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to do is, you know, kind of take in things
a little bit more than doing it in the moment
and allowed everybody to have their Saturday evening. Honestly, that's
part of it. So Sunday, I know some people it's
it's going to church time, but wanted to still be
able to talk to you folks about the game, the season,
the impact some of the things that went on Saturday
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at Simon Scott Assembly Hall. So eight one, two, three, nine, three,
twenty six hundred is the number, and let's start with
Let's start at the end. Indiana obviously wins sixty six
to sixty over Ohio State, pretty much in my eyes,
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locks him into the NCAA tournament. Then you had an
unusual Senior Day, one that is different than it has
been in decades, and that was instead of each individual
senior giving a speech, Mike Woodson talking to the crowd,
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instead what you had was a video Anthony Leal talked
on behalf of all the seniors and that was it.
Still a nice ceremony, make no mistake, but still a
departure from what Indiana has done over the years. You had,
even in Calvin Sampson's year when he gets fired, Dan
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Dockich ran Senior Day and did it the way that
it had been done for decades. Senior Night was always
a big deal for IU basketball because it's actually, when
I was younger, before you had the kind of coverage
that you do now, a lot of times you didn't
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hear guys' voices until Senior Day. You didn't know what
they sounded like. In the days before internet and before
all of that. Not everybody is comfortable given a speech
on Senior Day, and that has been abundantly clear over
the years, but this departure was surprising to me. People
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stick around to see those senior speeches. They want to
hear from people. But it was a difference this time
around too, because of the fact that, yeah, you have
eight seniors, but you had a pile of walk ons.
Omar Ballo and Luke Goodie are one year rentals, and
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you know, possibly Goody being back a second year. He's
probably going to try to find a way to get
a medical red shirt, which is absolutely his right. But
Anthony Lele and Trey Galloway gave Senior Night speeches last
year in which they announced they'd be back, so there's that.
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Then you had this video of Mike Woodson and it's
just such an odd situation because of the fact that Woodson,
we know, is not going to be back next year.
It's very abundantly clear that it ain't. It's a resignation,
but it ain't Mike Woodson's idea. And so where we
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are with this is that Woodson was just part of
the video and he absolutely was was draped in Bob
Knight in his portion of the video. You could see
it on peaks dot com and pretty much and everyone,
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but the start of the thing was all about Mike
Woodson and just was bathed in Bob Knight. It is
an interesting decision to go that direction. But it's also
interesting because what you have is a guy who played
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here and so many of the highlights where of him
as a player, and that's great. That is a huge
part of his legacy. It's the only reason he was
ever relatively considered to be the head coach let alone
hired is that he played here. And over the past
four years, results have not met the standards that are expected.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Period.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's how it is. Given the resources and talent on
the rostered Indiana has not come close to reaching a
standard of where they should be. And yet it was
you know, kind of a thank you for being able
to do what we did and do what you did,
and kind of a quiet sendoff. Leo came out and
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he talked to the fans, got choked up a little
bit thinking about Mike Woodson. Woody was had some wet
eyes in the video and all that absolutely genuine. I
don't doubt that for a second, all of that. But
it was just a very different senior dame along the way.
And what I thought was interesting is on Twitter yesterday
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that John Rothstein, I think it is yeah, John Rothstein
on Twitter after that that game he says, and this
is a quote from John Rothstein, who is a national
reporter for CBS Sports, a partner at twenty four to seven.
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But still it says, Mike Woodson is on the verge
of leading Indiana three NCAA tournament appearances in four years,
and the Hoosiers won a game in March Madness twice
during that span. Interesting place, remember only four trips to
the Sweet sixteen since nineteen ninety four. I tweeted back
safe to say, you don't have an idea what's been
going on out here? Squeaking into the attorney with talent
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and resources here is the definition of mediocrity. And I
don't want to just take shots at Rothstein himself. It's
part of a larger issue that a lot of times
when you're dealing with national reporters, they're dealing with the coaches.
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Those are their sources, are the coaches, and so you're
getting that viewpoint. They're covering so many teams. The coaches
are who they talk to. You could talk to some people,
but they some other people than just the coaches talking
to the coaches, and so they get the coach side
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of things. And so this concept that somehow, and it's
been bouncing around just a little bit, that Indiana has
been hasty with Mike Woodson on forcing them out is
kind of a narrative that some people have, and it's
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silly because as I was watching down the stretch of
that game last night, it was a matter of here
is a bad Ohio State team, a very very mediocre
to bad Ohio State team that was taking on what
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has been a very mediocre, too bad Indiana basketball team,
and they were going toe to toe. Look, Indiana finishes
the Big Ten season at ten and ten. Ohio State
is nine and eleven, Indiana nineteen and twelve Ohio State
seventeen and fourteen. This is not a good Ohio State team.
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One of them had to win. One of them has
a five million dollar roster, and the five million dollar
roster team with all the talent, was really really struggling
with the less talented team and did the first time
around too at their place. Let's not forget Indiana one
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by one in overtime after choking on a ten point
lead with five minutes to go, and so sort of
what I'm interested in what the atmosphere. The atmosphere Assembly
Hall last yesterday was fantastic. Fans were cheering, Fans were
really really into it. They wanted Indiana to win, and
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understandably so. The interesting part to me, though, is what
would that atmosphere have been like if an announcement hadn't
been made and Indiana was struggling against Ohio State at
that's at this point those fans could get behind the
Hoosiers without worrying that a year from now we'd be
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in the same exact situation because of the knowns of
of Mike Woodson. Meanwhile, there is also a world in which,
without a decision having already been made, Mike Woodson would
have continued to do what he had been doing prior
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to that resignation and playing a two big lineup, staying
stubborn with the way that he was going about things
because of things outside of seeing the results on the floor,
whether it be promises made to players or you know,
talk about playing time, whatever it is, and worrying about
protecting the integrity of those promises for players who would
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come after. Mike Woodson didn't change lineups or change the
way Indiana played until after he announced he was leaving,
or after it was announced he was leaving. He still
hasn't said a damn thing about it. Really. He was
asked a little bit about it yesterday and you'll hear
it in just a few minutes. I'll let you listen
to Mike Woodson and what he had to say. But
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it is a fascinating thing because Indiana's gonna squeak into
the NC DOUBLEA tournament, and with the resources Indiana has,
the talent it has, in no world should Indiana be
squeaking into the NC DOUBLEA tournament. And so don't paint
this up as Indiana is being hasty because the Hoosiers
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are going to the NCAA tournament for the third time
in four years. I mean, that seems ridiculous. This isn't
a hasty thing. This is about setting a standard and
not coming close to the standard despite having more re
sources than any head coach in Indiana basketball history and
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more resources than almost any other coach in the country.
Don't act like he's getting a raw deal here. Don't
act like Indiana fans are crazy for this, that Indiana
fans are delusional. Nobody is saying, hey, you know what,
it's a national championship. You should be hanging banners. Man,
Why aren't you getting to the third weekend of the tournament?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Huh it is. Don't get boat raced by twenty five
points in back to back games. Don't get your ass
kicked by Illinois at home. And it's great that you
were able to squeak by Penn State and Ohio State
along the way. That's great, But don't act like, well,
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you know everything here is find Indiana fans are being crazy.
Mike Woodson's are getting a raw deal. He's not. Indiana
did exactly what they needed to do, probably waited a
year two long to do it. Be honest with you
that's part of that equation. So the national guys that
are out there and talking to to people in the program,
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which are assistant coaches and coaches that they've built relationship
with over the years, they're getting that view of it.
But ain't nobody calling the people who cover the team.
They ain't talking to the people who know what goes
on behind the scenes and saying, Mike Woodson's getting a
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raw deal. So there's that eight one, two, three, nine, three,
twenty six hundred is the number I want to hear
from you guys about Senior Day, the game yesterday, Mike Woodson,
all of it that goes into it again, a little
bit different show because it starts at eleven fifteen, the
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day after the night of the game. But it was,
in my opinion, the right thing to do, and I
won't we won't be doing this every game obviously going forward,
whether it's football or basketball, but it was something that
I did want to do this time because it was
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what I felt was best for everybody on their evening.
We'll get to a little bit of the game, not
a little bit, a lot of bit into the game.
Indiana sixty six to sixty win over Ohio State, which
they managed to close out the game nicely. Ohio State
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missed its last six shots when one of its last
eleven from the floor. Again, it was also not a
good basketball team that Indiana played, and the Buckeyes had
multiple opportunities to win this thing and just would not
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take those opportunities. Indiana actually shot worse than Ohio State
from the floor thirty five percent, but got thirty one
free throws twice as many free throws. Weird that. I
didn't hear Mike Woodson bitch about the officiating in this one.
He got doubled up on the number of free throws.
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Weird that, but that's that's a normal thing he complained with.
It was twenty one to seven at Oregon, It's thirty
one to fifteen at home, and not a peep, which
isn't unusual. But that's life in the Big ten, and
that's that's just how it is. Eight one, two, three,
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nine three, twenty six hundred is the number. I'm gonna
go ahead and play. Mike Woodson's postgame press conference. At
this point, you might hear something a little bit different
because of the fact that he brought his granddaughter in
with him, which is perfectly fine. By the way, I
got no issue with that at all. Of him doing that,
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she got a little fussy or the kid got a
little bit fussy. So uh, he handed the baby off
a little bit, you know, a couple of minutes into this.
So if at the start he sounds a little bit distracted,
that's why he was holding a child. So, without any
further ado, here is head coach Mike Woodson during his
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postgame press conference following yesterday's win.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Hey, all right, all right, let's go, Mike. It's your
last home game obviously this this season. It's a loaded question.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Forgive me.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
How do you I mean, I think the way people
remember you as a player certainly is pretty much set
in stone.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Now, how do you want them to remember what you've
done for this program over the last four years.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Well, you know, the one thing I look at it is,
you know, we've been in the tournament a few years,
able to recruit players, we've been able to graduate players.
You know, I just want the program to be successful.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That's all I ever thought about when I took the job,
and that's how I feel now, you know, So gravy, Okay,
go ahead, time.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, Mike knowing this, you know obviously last game assembly hall,
what were your emotions like today? Did you try to
just try to put that out of your head? And
if you'd be willing, you know, you haven't talked about
it a ton, but what went into your decision to
step down in the first place?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Say that again?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, what motions today? Uh, do you try to put
it out of your mind kind of throughout the day
or what were they like? And then, if you'd be willing,
you know you haven't talked about it much. What went
into your decision to step down earlier this season?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, we'll just focus in on the game. It's a
very emotional game, you know. I think back to nineteen
eighty playing this same team for the Big Ten title.
That's the only thing that was going through my head
throughout the day, and wanted it so much for these
seniors to win because I knew how special that night
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was for me my senior year and walking off that
floor as a Big Ten champion. You know, we still
have an opportunity to win the Big Ten Tournament, just
like the other fourteen teams that will be in it.
So that's that's all I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
About at this point, you know, then nothing else.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Is Mike, you mentioned what an emotional victory.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
This was.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Two part question. First what do you think got the
offense going in the last five minutes? And secondly, how
how does it feel to you that Tray Galloway, who's
been here with you for the whole ride, was such
a large part of it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I couldn't be more proud because he's caught so much
hell and it was only fitting that he hit the
biggest shot of the game tonight, you know, to really
sell it and give us the cushion that we needed
to win. So I couldn't be more proud of Trey
Galloway and his career he's had here on this basketball floor.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I mean, as a as a group, we haven't experienced
very many losses in this building. I mean, we've won
a lot of games in this building, and Trey's been
a big part of that because he's been with me
from day one. Anthony's been a part of it from
day one. So I'm I'm proud of all of our players,
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but I'm I'm proud of those two guys, especially because
they've been with me the longest.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, Mike, I was actually gonna ask you about that
that Galaway three at the end.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
First it seemed like there was some confusion with the
shock clock. Maybe I guess what was going on there,
but just you know, what, what's it like to see
Trey have a moment like that on senior day?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I think we got caught, uh, you know, not really
knowing the rule, you know, I mean there was a
loose ball. They came out, went out on oriend, so
all you get is twenty seconds on the car. So
we were screaming that the clock was wrong, and but
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Trey kept you know, focused, and once the pick and
roll broke down and the guy kind of went up
under the screen. Hell he stepped up and made a
big shot, which was kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, Mike, how do you want Trey to be remembered here?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I mean, the only way thing you can remember Trey
is that he plays hard, He competes, and you be
fooling yourself if you think anything else. That's all I
ever known him, man, you know, I nick named him
crazy man when I first started coaching him, because Helly
was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Didn't know what you were gonna get from him.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But he competed and that's all he's ever done, you know,
And for the fans to sit in here and boo
him during the time that they.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Booed him, it just wasn't right.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It just wasn't because that kid competes, He gives his
heart and have nothing but respect and love for Trace,
for Trace allaway.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Coach, speaking of competing on a day when shots weren't
falling for most of the day, you had Goodie and
Leo both had career highs and rebounds with the eight apiece.
What kind of what does that speak to in terms
of effort?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Seniors that didn't want to lose, you know, And I
wrote him, I've been writing.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Them, and.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I wasn't gonna take him out at the end. I mean,
if you lose, you want to lose with your seniors
on the floor.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I wasn't thinking that way.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I mean, I think once we Malik hit the two
free throws to give us the two point lead, we
never looked back from that point on. Our defense really
got stiff, and we made play after play, and we
made some good offensive plays, made our free throws a
few of them, and enough to give us the cushion
to win the games.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Coach, your Seth has been with you all four years,
but specifically today, Yes, sir Roseman on the floor screaming
calling out plays. What has he meant to you this
season and all four years?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I mean, all my coaches have been special, you know.
And I took this job, you know, after spending thirty
four years of my life in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It was a different move for me.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And the fact that I had some college guys that
had done it a while and they always reminded me
of that called me a rookie coach when I first started,
which I was like, hell shit, I coached a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Longer than a lot of you guys.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
But at the end of the day, they've helped me recruit,
They've helped me coach on the floor, They've helped me
put film sessions together, practice sessions together. I mean, it's
been you know, it's a lot that goes into coaching.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
A lot that you guys will never ever.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Know because you don't sit in the day to day
grind that we that we sit in.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
But it's a part of what we do.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But they've been very special to me, a big part
of what we've done over the last four years.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Last question, Coach right here back here on the CBS broadcast.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
You said your first thoughts were maybe I'm leaving too soon.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, you know, I mean those there's always gonna be
that thought. But you know, at the end of the day,
you know, it's not It's not about me right now.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
It's still about this team and and.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Us going up to Indianapolis and trying to win the
Big Ten Tournament.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Thanks Gye.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So there's Mike Woodson from his postgame press conference. Interesting
comments to say the least, because you know, again, look
there's a win and Indiana's gonna go to the NCAA tournament.
It is Uh, this dance that we've been doing along
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the way has been interesting because when that resignation was announced,
said he would address it at the appropriate time. What
happened yesterday in the press conference wasn't addressing anything he
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you know, is that video. What he believes is is
addressing things. I don't know. We'll we'll see.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Clearly, the focuses on the season as it goes on,
and what we saw yesterday was a team that was fighting,
that was battling along the way. Ohio State at one
time had a ten point lead with twelve minutes to
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go in the second half and the Hoosiers ended up
turning that into a six point victory. So that's sixteen
point swing. That's excellent, and that's what you want to see.
It's just a matter of again, this is Ohio State
team that Indiana competed against a peer team, because that
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is what a team, what they've done this year, it's
a peer team. One went finished the season ten and ten,
the other one finished nine and eleven. So that's good.
That's great that they battled against that. And Indiana's had
some nice wins Michigan State on the road, you know,
beating Purdue's. That's all really great. But it's a matter
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of four years ago when Mike Woodson was high. Was
Ohio State going to be what you looked at as
the peer team in year four with the resources that
are there. That's what I just keep coming back to.
But let's talk about that that it's Ohio State game
and he had to win sixty six to sixty. Some
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of the individual stats on this Trey Galloway sixteen points
on six of fifteen shooting. He had six assists in
two turnovers in thirty four minutes. McKenzie and Baco actually
along with Malik Renew led the Hoosiers at a plus
minus of thirteen. But Mackenzie seven points on one of
four shooting five of eight from the free throw line,
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had five rebounds in thirty one minutes. Imbaco made an
impact on the game without shooting, and that was really important,
really really important. Luke Goodie eleven points, just one of
seven shooting from the floor overall, one of six from
three point line, but eight of ten from the free
throw line, added eight rebounds to go with a block
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and a steal. Anthony Leo four points on one of
two shooting, eight rebounds, one assists. He had two blocks
at a steal in thirty five minutes, played a ton.
Let's talk about Anthony Leal. Okay, Anthony Leo might be
one of those main examples of what you're looking at
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when it comes to Woodson and how things have changed
since he finished up at since that announcement came. You
look at Anthony lele and along the way, he didn't
play much early in the season. I know he was
a bit banged up for that. But Indiana plays usc
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and Leal plays five minutes. You know at Iowa they
get boat raced. He plays twenty one minutes, sixteen minutes
against Illinois when Indiana got hammered at at there a
door at Assembly Hall. At that point, Indiana plays at
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Ohio State, Leo plays thirty one minutes. At Northwestern, Leo
plays twenty eight minutes. This is when he started getting
his time. This is where and if you look at
he plays at Perdue, he plays thirty five minutes. On
January thirty first, at Wisconsin, he plays just eleven minutes.
The announcement comes before the Michigan game. Since then, Leo
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has played thirty three minutes, thirty minutes, twenty thirty five,
thirty thirty four, twenty three, thirty five. All of a sudden,
Leo's in the lineup and he's staying there, and he's
staying there for three quarters of the game as well.
Why is this important Because those numbers, which you would
occasionally he'd pop in there, but really jumped with consistency
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after that announcement, which means prior to this announcement, leol
was a part of things, but he certainly wasn't a
starter and went in and went into things. And so
what took so long for that to happen. Leol helps
Indiana win games. I don't always like the way he plays.
You know, he's he flops. You know, he does a
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lot of little dirty things. He drew a file yesterday
on a screen where he wrapped his left hand around
in Ohio State's player's hip and then fell backwards and
pulled him down. It's a dirty little thing. It's not
my style. I don't like it, but it was effective
and it got I believe Goody to the free throw line.
So you know, it's those little things that help a
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team win. But where the hell was that over the
past few years? And it's not Leo. Isn't the guy
that I'm looking at there, it's a coaching staff. You
ride with the guys who are going to help you win,
and you don't don't sit there and play Canan Carlisle
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a bunch of minutes or Miles Rice a bunch of
minutes if they're not going to help you win, or
you told them come play here and here's a ton
of money, and here's you know, here's what the kind
of minute you're going to get. And then once that
future promises or that integrity of future promises falls away,
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you could put Leel in the lineup and start playing
on the hell of a lot better. And it didn't
happen on its own. If there was no announcement and
Mike Woodson decided I need to change things up, it
would be a different story. But it was once that
announcement made, then he changed everything. That's kind of where
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where I'm at with that. Omar Ballow nine points on
four of nine shooting, had seven rebounds and an assist
in twenty four minutes. I thought Indiana did a good
job of swapping Ballow and Renew out. They were on
the floor a little bit with each other, but not
a ton off the bench. He had Malik Renew come
off the bench. Sixteen points on five of ten shooting.
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He made all six of his free throws, five rebounds,
He had an assist, a block of steal to played
twenty two minutes. Miles Rice three points on one of
five shooting, just one of four from three point range.
I had a rebound four files twenty minutes. He was
plus one a bottle by the way of his minus six,
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which I think is interesting. Canaan Carlyle did not score,
played just four minutes, took two shots in that time.
All four of those minutes came in the first half.
Galloway obviously hit the big three where there was a
little bit of confusion and he was able to drain
a long three, which again first senior that you heard
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everybody was kind of talking about that. Still clearing up
a little bit of the remnants of the the illness
that got me last week. But it was a nice
performance from him, even there were some mistakes. He still
does some things that it's just at this point you
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would hope that we would be cleaned up, but they aren't.
Oh we had a caller and they were there for
thirteen seconds and hung up. Sure, hope they call back.
That would be really great. Eight one, two, three, nine three,
twenty six hundred is the number. Indiana shoots thirty five
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point two percent overall, just twenty five percent from three
point range, but they did make twenty three to thirty
one free throws. The Hoosiers out rebounded Ohio State forty
to thirty one. That lack of rebounding from Ohio State
was a big part of this, because the Hoosiers were
able to score eighteen second chance points and that's what
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really gave Indiana that advantage that they ahead, but they
struggled along along the way. Again, Ohio State outshot them overall,
but in the second half, Indiana was better defensively. And
again this is an IU team that found a way
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to win when it needed it most. Although in the
first half they were pretty flat, but they did turn
it on in the second half. It has been a
second half team. And there are so many opportunities along
the way that where the season and the narrative and
everything that goes into this year could have been a
lot different when it comes to some of the late
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game struggles Maryland, Purdue, you know, Michigan. You could run
it over and over and over again U c l A.
You could say that Indiana wasn't that far away, but
you could also point to very clear reasons why Indiana
wasn't able to close out games along the way. And
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the other thing is there is the overall record and
getting to the NCAA Tournament, and then there is the
idea just being competitive in the Big Ten and in Woods.
Since four years as head coach at IU, Indiana in
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the league is nine and eleven, twelve and eight, ten
and ten, ten and ten. Just to tick over five hundred,
hiring a coach and having the resources Indiana does, and
going through season after season of being just five hundred
and the Big ten, it isn't crazy to move on again.
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That's an NCAA tournament. Bids aren't the only factor here.
You say Indiana's going three times in four years and
they're moving on, that's that's not That's not the only
metric that we're using for Indiana. That should be the
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bare minimum of reaching the NCAA tournament with the support
and everything that goes into it. Eight one, two, three,
nine three, twenty six hundred is the number Indiana managed
to to score that winning Now, their next game is
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going to be against Oregon uh Thursday at noon in Indianapolis.
They're going to have that opportunity. But before so we
talk anymore, I'm going to bring on a collar caller,
have your name, where you're from, and what you got coler,
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can you hear me.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Up?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
We lost him? Well, that's a concern. That's a concern.
I don't know where that's two callers now that we've
just lost. Because I'm all four hearing from people. Eight
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one two, three nine three twenty six hundred is the number. Again,
it's it's a uh. The controversy that goes into not
controversy that's too strong, the controversy of the discussion about
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senior night. You could give it not and understand how
you have a pile of guys, a bunch of walk
ons who God bless them, but nobody knows who they are.
You have Luke Goodie and Omar Balo who've been only
here for a year, and so there's not necessarily that
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connection that you might have with a lot of guys
previous college basketball has changed the world has changed. It
used to be a guy like Trey Galloway, he committed
early and people could go watch him play in high
school and have seen him develop over the years. Same
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thing with Anthony Lele. You've seen that over the years.
That is now more of a unusual thing, and I
think it'll continue to be an unusual thing. Guys that
are there year over year over year definitely going to
be the case next year. There's gonna be a lot
of new faces next year, folks. So the question becomes, then,
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does the senior speeches, does everything that goes into that,
is that something that falls by the wayside? Is that
another tradition that's going to uh to go away. A
lot of Indiana is one of the few schools I
know that allow that have a speech. Most schools do
something before a game and not after, and Indiana's kind
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of always been an outlier with that. And that goes
back to the night years and also created a bunch
of fun moments over the years, whether it's Knight's poem
that uh that he's done and uh, well, let's hear
from Bob Knight right now on Earth is gone and
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my activities here are past. I want they bury me
upside down and my critics can kiss my ass. Everybody
loves that poem. Everybody was really on the on the
chat says I thought the tribute to Mike Woodson was
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tasteful and well done. No argument here. I thought it was.
It was. It was well done. Uh it was. It
was a nice, very nice video, and it was it
was nice and nicely done. I said, he he was
draped in Bob Knight in that thing, and you know,
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I might have closed the video with that and put
put the focus on the players a little bit more,
but it was that's that's an editing decision. That's all
that is. So that's that's how how that goes. But
uh uh you think other moments on senior Nights was
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Colin Hartman proposing to his girlfriend, which that relationship didn't
end up working out, but it was a fun moment
that you had right there. One of the top Senior
Night moments was Mike White's speech uh to uh his
senior night when he forgot Brett Finkelmeyer's name. Teammate forgot
his name. That was awesome. And you have just some
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some fun stuff and then you have some things that
aren't great, which might have been one of the reasons
why Mike Woodson wasn't handed to microphone when he talked
about true fans last year and he insulted half the
fan base, So that may be part of that equation too.
But it's okay, you know it is. It's something to
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look at. Indiana has has started to move things just
a little bit when it comes to two traditions such
as having the uh the black uniforms and things like that.
Don't want to make a caller, wait, Coller fan, kind
of your name, where you're from and what.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
You got that's described from Texas. I just wanted to.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Hello, Hello, yeah, I could hear.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
Oh yeah, I thought it was a really good decision
to go ahead and do the video tribute and take
take the microphone out of both Woodson's hands and the
player's hands, given what happened last year and the other
thing I wanted to raise with you. And maybe I
missed a little bit of the show, so maybe you've
already talked about it. But what do you make of
Mike Woodson's comments to the national announcer about he's maybe
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leaving too soon? Well, he doesn't hang up and listen.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Well, he doesn't want to leave. I mean, he doesn't
want this to be happening. He thinks that he's done
a good job and shouldn't be walking away. I know
that this is being couched as his decision, and you
know that hasn't been. There's been repeatedly he's talked to
TV people and made comments kind of in that same
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Vein the way he looks at it is they're going
to the n NC Douablea tournament three times in four years,
and he's average, he said, said, you know, he's average
twenty one wins a year. He thinks he's done a
good job. And my argument is well, you've also blown
a lot of games over the years. You've lost a
whole ton of them by double digits, twenty plus point losses,
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and you haven't lived up to the old your own
standards that you had of just competing for a Big
ten title. You haven't gotten within sniffing distance of one
of those. So that's kind of why he's saying the
way what he is, so that that's where it is.
I appreciate the call. Good to hear from Texas. I
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don't know if I've heard from Texas yet another call.
This will be cleared up in the next couple of days.
It has to. It has to otherwise I feel like
I'm going to be like in a period piece and
coughing blood into a handkerchief, like I got tuberculosis, but
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I don't. I went to the doctor the other day.
So it's fine in terms of Indiana and what they're
going to do. You know, a big part of Indiana
going to the NCAA tournament is also going to be
what happens in other places around the country. You're bid
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stealers along the way, and also you want to win
in the Big ten tournament. That's the other thing with
this Big Ten tournament's going on, been going on now
for you know, a long time, nearly thirty years, and
Indiana has not been a factor in the Big Ten
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tournament most years. They've gone to the title game a
couple of times, never won it. And for this program,
that's how long it's been since you've just had a
any kind of consistency here, and so limping along, you know,
squeaking into the n C Double A Tournament. Because I
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also want to make the point about when it comes
to Indiana, I'm pulling up the exact, uh, the the
exact run of things here. Go to the n C
Double A Tournament three times in four years. One of
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them you went to the uh uh first four.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Another one you did get to the second round. But
every one of those losses you get hammered. And so
squeaking into the n C Double A Tournament is nice,
but damn man, you gotta progress. And that's kind of
where we are. We're in the tournament week and there's
still the question of what is going to uh to
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happen with this season by this time in a program
that is going the direction because it's never ever about today,
It's never about today. It is about the direction that
you're going. Is Indiana basketball in a better place today
than it was a year ago? It isn't. So again,
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I just I keep coming back to this, this argument
that wow, maybe Indiana jumped again. No they didn't. No,
they didn't. And again with with more resources than most
programs in the country. So I keep coming back to
that that it is changes are coming, It's going to
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be better. This frustration that you know, people you know
accuse me of having a vendetta or anything. No, I
just want to see good basketball. I just want to
see good basketball, and that is not always necessarily what
we've seen along the way. Eight one, two, three, nine, three,
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twenty six hundred lines are open and uh again now
the focus turns to Oregon, which Indiana UH lost to
a couple of years. On last Tuesday, they lost and
so what are you gonna learn about that loss that
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you had? That was a nine point loss on the road. Uh.
Umar Ballo was big in that ten points, twelve rebounds.
Indiana showed nice balance, Galloway and excuse me, Burpin sixteen points. Uh.
That is is is where Indiana's strength came from. Miles
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Rice played twenty six minutes in that game. And it
is the quickness of Oregon that is really uh, part
of the equation there. Oregon sits at twenty two and eight.
Are they twenty two eight? Are they still twenty two
and eight? Yeah, they're twenty two and eight and eleven
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and eight in the Big Ten, only finishing a spot
above Indiana. Only have three more wins than Indiana, and
yet it is still Oregon's in a better place than Indiana.
And so that challenge it'll be, you know, it'll be
ostensibly a home game for Indiana. It always is when
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you play in Indianapolis, which makes sense. But the Hoosiers
have to come to play, they have to play with
the sense of urgency, and that was really missing in
the first half yesterday. And you want to make sure
that that is uh is part of the equation that
you're you're there and you're ready to play. Eight one, two, three,
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nine three, twenty six hundred is the number. Appreciate the
call from Texas. I. Just finishing this season strong was
certainly a positive for Indiana. They beat some teams that
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they should have along the way. Those losses in January
just kept stacking up and it was when teams were
the tougher teams. Indiana basically didn't take care of business
save for the Michigan State game. The second half against Purdue.
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Given that Perdue game, it was a win. And so
it's not how, it's how many, but the difference between
the first and second half. We still haven't seen that
same level of effort from the Hoosiers in any of
the games that they've had since that second half of
the Purdue game. So you just wanted, I expected to
see that level of effort and then didn't along the way.
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Eight one, two, three, nine, three, twenty six hundred is
the number. And so that is uh where we're at
as I have to join in our our special guest
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is going to be coming down here. And got a
chance to cover the game Senior night with Charlie the Intern,
which is always fun. Someone on Twitter says, thoughts on
Woodson not staying out and supporting his team during the
video speeches seemed like a real crappy to do. In
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my opinion, it shows his lack of leadership and character.
I honestly didn't notice that along the way that that
he had gone inside. I know that he was he
was sticking around, and you know, look, Mike Woodson is
gonna be emotional. He's going to have that that feeling.
So to me, if he is, if he didn't stick around,
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I could understand that completely along the way. But Woodson
was was a It's just such an odd situation that
that's the thing on the chat. Pecan says ken other
than Luke Goodie, if he's successful appealing, who else would
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you like to see return? There's a difference in who
I would like to see return and who actually might return.
I think there's gonna be a huge, huge turnover for
this roster during the off season. Obviously Lela is gone,
Obviously bollow has gone, Obviously Galloway is gone. Wood Mackenzie Mbacco,
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who his NBA draft stock has not risen this year.
Would he benefit from a fresh start, because there's two
parts of this about about what is best for a
player and what is best for a program, and so
Mbaco his game could change depending on who the coach is.
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You want to see that development. Miles Rice has a
lot of quickness, a lot of uh uh, brings a
lot to the floor. He's a guy, but he also
needs to develop along the way from a skill standpoint, Mbaco,
Renew Rice, those are three guys I think that could
help any team that they're on, but we haven't seen
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them take a step. Renews basically the same player that
he was when he got here, and that isn't his fault.
He has to you have to be coached up. You
have to be helped along the way. Mbaco the same way.
Good jump shooter. You see of him being better defensively,
being more engaged, and that's really great. Miles Rice has
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a ton of skills, a ton of quickness need to
be polished. So any of those guys I think would
be a good addition. But also from a players standpoint,
it might be in their best interest to move on
and get a fresh start somewhere with a new coach,
coaching change, all that kind of stuff. They have the
opportunity to do it. They're gonna have the ability to
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collect plenty of nil money no matter where they go.
So I think it's going to be a drastically different
looking roster next year, both because of the classes of
the players and where they are. I wouldn't expect Caanan
Carlisle to be here next year, and what we just
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did right there is go through the entire rotation from yesterday,
so we will see. Luke Goodie is somebody that I
could see if he gets that extra year. I could
see him sticking around because of how often he is
has talked about how much he enjoys wearing the candy
stripes and everything that goes into that. So you know,
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Goody is going to be an asset no matter where
he goes. Plus some of these guys look Goody went
ahead and and transferred, had to get used to a
new program and everything that goes along with that. To me,
that is where it comes up. So I could see
him sticking around now. Then I wanted to bring in
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my special guest, Charlie the intern here, who is uh
cover the game with me yesterday was a part of
the equation for us, and he wanted to give a
couple of comments. I appreciate everybody kind of indulging me
with this on on my son as he gets it.
And to make sure your microphone is on, son, Charlie,
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how are you doing.
Speaker 9 (53:55):
I'm doing okay. I really enjoyed yesterday's game.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
What'd you think of the crowd?
Speaker 9 (54:03):
They were very they were It was very, very loud,
especially when I used scored a basket. I just wanted
to go over three things too. I planned on talking
about yesterday one thing you talked about earlier.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
Right.
Speaker 9 (54:21):
First of all, the one thing that I remember from
the game. One of the things I remember from the
game is me going whoa when Umar Ballow got an
alley oop.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah. They ran that play a couple of times and
it worked out really really well for them. And that's
where his size really makes a huge difference.
Speaker 9 (54:40):
Yeah, it really does. Like how tall seven foot one? Yeah, dude,
and number two is a lot of people talked about
this in the press conference with the players. One question
with Mike, you know the trade gall corner shot that
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very big three and everybody went insane. He was wide
open back there.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I don't know about wide open. I mean he had
a guy in his face, but he knocked down the shot.
It was a deep shot to it for a guy
who's been a little bit up and down from three.
It was a huge senior moment for him for sure.
Speaker 9 (55:22):
And then the third thing I wanted to go over
was Luke Goody. I think he might be one of
the he might return to AYU for one more year,
like Leland Trey did.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
That.
Speaker 9 (55:38):
That's a possibility because like you said, he really enjoys
wearing the candy stripes and being out there with IYU.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, and he's got a medical red shirt that he
could get, So that is all going to be part
of that equation. And so it's we're in for an
exciting couple of weeks, is what we are. Because this
season's going to come to an end. Indiana can Indiana
fans can just root for the team, and they've done
a great job of doing just that along the way
of supporting this team as the season has gone on,
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and there's still that excitement of who's going to come next,
who's going to be that next guy?
Speaker 9 (56:13):
Yeah, Leo and Trey, that was an awesome thing at
Senior Night. And I kept thinking when the when they
were coming out, especially Trey and Leo man one year ago,
they were probably giving a speech and now they're thinking,
I want to come back again, but I can't.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
That's pretty much where it is. Well, Charlie, I appreciate
you coming on and giving your insight and thanks for
covering the game.
Speaker 9 (56:41):
Thank you too, and especially Leo who is from Bloomington.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yes, Bloomington South Kid, thanks a lot, Charlie, welcome that
special guest. Charlie, in turn joining us, wanted to give
his thoughts on what was was coming on and went
through the game. It's kind of interesting you you get
that perspective of somebody who's new to the game, you know,
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and and so I actually enjoy, really enjoy watching games
with him. And I'll tell you what that kid is
well liked at Assembly Hall. I'll tell you that final
call for for phone calls eight one to two, three, nine, three,
twenty six hundred. As we get into UH the noon hour, UH,
Indiana has UH has a noon game against Oregon UH
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in the Big Ten Tournament. I haven't seen the brackets
just yet, and so let's see here. If Indiana wins UH,
they would then play again on Friday against the top seed.
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It looks like so they got a road but they
have opportunities as well, and that's something that shouldn't be overlooked. Look,
Indiana struggled through January. That has been a theme for
a long time, and being able to come out and
string together some wins. I will absolutely agree with the
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concept that you don't want to play Indiana right now
because of that potential that they have. We saw that
potential against Purdue, we saw it against Michigan State. They
have held their own at times this season. We've also
seen them go the other direction, where you know, you're
losing at Nebraska by seventeen points, or losing at Iowa
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by twenty five, or losing at home to Purdue or
rather to Illinois by twenty five. Indiana seems to have
found its footing a little bit more. But part of
that has to do with I don't want to say
the level of opponent, because they got it together against
Michigan State and Purdue, but there's just been too many
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times this year where they haven't shown up and against
a different team. Yesterday it could have been different, but
they were playing Ohio State, which isn't great so but
they got the victory sixty six sixty. They finished the
regular season at ten and ten in the Big Ten,
nineteen and twelve. Overall, getting a twentieth win would be
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really important for this ball club, and that is where
this is. You want to get to twenty wins. But
I think that even without a win in the Big
Ten tournament, Indiana probably is still going to get into
the NCAA tournament. Now, whether that'll be a first four
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in Dayton or not, that remains to be seen. But
Indiana does at least finish the season on a high note.
And now we could look to a situation where it's
winner home, it is, it is, That's where we're at
right now. So that should raise the sense of urgency
for absolutely everybody on that team. Well, it's all the
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II you doing, everybody, I'm Ken Bikoffer. Welcome to the
Peaks Postgame Live. Obviously a little bit of a delayed
Peaks Post Game Live. Game ended more than twelve hours ago,
but there's a reason for that and why we went
about it that way. With the a normal home game,
it plays out like that. You got the final buzzer,
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you go inside, you do the press conferences. You have
to wait a little while for the press conferences to
come online and for the coaches to come in, the
players to come in, and then you have to put
up the video on Peaks dot Com. Then I go out,
I set up my equipment, and I go live. It
takes normally about forty five minutes after final buzzer. Actually
like doing these shows after road games because I go
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live right away.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You have.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yesterday's said situation, eight seniors Mike Woodson to speak, press conference,
wait for coaches to come in. It always takes a
little bit longer. On senior day you have press conferences
and then you have get things set up and go.
By that time it would have been hours after the game.
It still is now. But what this really allows me
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to do is, you know, kind of take in things
a little bit more than doing it in the moment
and allowed everybody to have their Saturday evening. Honestly, that's
part of it. So Sunday, I know some people it's
it's going to church time, but wanted to still be
able to talk to you folks about the game, the season,
the impact some of the things that went on Saturday
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at Simon Scott Assembly Hall. So eight one, two, three, nine, three,
twenty six hundred is the number, and let's start with
Let's start at the end. Indiana obviously wins sixty six
to sixty over Ohio State, pretty much in my eyes,
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locks him into the NCAA tournament. Then you had an
unusual Senior Day, one that is different than it has
been in decades, and that was instead of each individual
senior giving a speech, Mike Woodson talking to the crowd,
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instead what you had was a video Anthony Leal talked
on behalf of all the seniors and that was it.
Still a nice ceremony, make no mistake, but still a
departure from what Indiana has done over the years. You had,
even in Calvin Sampson's year when he gets fired, Dan
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Dockich ran Senior Day and did it the way that
it had been done for decades. Senior Night was always
a big deal for IU basketball because it's actually, when
I was younger, before you had the kind of coverage
that you do now, a lot of times you didn't
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hear guys' voices until Senior Day. You didn't know what
they sounded like. In the days before internet and before
all of that. Not everybody is comfortable given a speech
on Senior Day, and that has been abundantly clear over
the years, but this departure was surprising to me. People
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stick around to see those senior speeches. They want to
hear from people. But it was a difference this time
around too, because of the fact that, yeah, you have
eight seniors, but you had a pile of walk ons.
Omar Ballo and Luke Goodie are one year rentals, and
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you know, possibly Goody being back a second year. He's
probably going to try to find a way to get
a medical red shirt, which is absolutely his right. But
Anthony Lele and Trey Galloway gave Senior Night speeches last
year in which they announced they'd be back, so there's that.
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Then you had this video of Mike Woodson and it's
just such an odd situation because of the fact that Woodson,
we know, is not going to be back next year.
It's very abundantly clear that it ain't. It's a resignation,
but it ain't Mike Woodson's idea. And so where we
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are with this is that Woodson was just part of
the video and he absolutely was was draped in Bob
Knight in his portion of the video. You could see
it on peaks dot com and pretty much and everyone,
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but the start of the thing was all about Mike
Woodson and just was bathed in Bob Knight. It is
an interesting decision to go that direction. But it's also
interesting because what you have is a guy who played
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here and so many of the highlights where of him
as a player, and that's great. That is a huge
part of his legacy. It's the only reason he was
ever relatively considered to be the head coach let alone
hired is that he played here. And over the past
four years, results have not met the standards that are expected.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Period.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's how it is. Given the resources and talent on
the rostered Indiana has not come close to reaching a
standard of where they should be. And yet it was
you know, kind of a thank you for being able
to do what we did and do what you did,
and kind of a quiet sendoff. Leo came out and
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he talked to the fans, got choked up a little
bit thinking about Mike Woodson. Woody was had some wet
eyes in the video and all that absolutely genuine. I
don't doubt that for a second, all of that. But
it was just a very different senior dame along the way.
And what I thought was interesting is on Twitter yesterday
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that John Rothstein, I think it is yeah, John Rothstein
on Twitter after that that game he says, and this
is a quote from John Rothstein, who is a national
reporter for CBS Sports, a partner at twenty four to seven.
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But still it says, Mike Woodson is on the verge
of leading Indiana three NCAA tournament appearances in four years,
and the Hoosiers won a game in March Madness twice
during that span. Interesting place, remember only four trips to
the Sweet sixteen since nineteen ninety four. I tweeted back
safe to say, you don't have an idea what's been
going on out here? Squeaking into the attorney with talent
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and resources here is the definition of mediocrity. And I
don't want to just take shots at Rothstein himself. It's
part of a larger issue that a lot of times
when you're dealing with national reporters, they're dealing with the coaches.
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Those are their sources, are the coaches, and so you're
getting that viewpoint. They're covering so many teams. The coaches
are who they talk to. You could talk to some people,
but they some other people than just the coaches talking
to the coaches, and so they get the coach side
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of things. And so this concept that somehow, and it's
been bouncing around just a little bit, that Indiana has
been hasty with Mike Woodson on forcing them out is
kind of a narrative that some people have, and it's
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silly because as I was watching down the stretch of
that game last night, it was a matter of here
is a bad Ohio State team, a very very mediocre
to bad Ohio State team that was taking on what
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has been a very mediocre, too bad Indiana basketball team,
and they were going toe to toe. Look, Indiana finishes
the Big Ten season at ten and ten. Ohio State
is nine and eleven, Indiana nineteen and twelve Ohio State
seventeen and fourteen. This is not a good Ohio State team.
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One of them had to win. One of them has
a five million dollar roster, and the five million dollar
roster team with all the talent, was really really struggling
with the less talented team and did the first time
around too at their place. Let's not forget Indiana one
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by one in overtime after choking on a ten point
lead with five minutes to go, and so sort of
what I'm interested in what the atmosphere. The atmosphere Assembly
Hall last yesterday was fantastic. Fans were cheering, Fans were
really really into it. They wanted Indiana to win, and
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understandably so. The interesting part to me, though, is what
would that atmosphere have been like if an announcement hadn't
been made and Indiana was struggling against Ohio State at
that's at this point those fans could get behind the
Hoosiers without worrying that a year from now we'd be
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in the same exact situation because of the knowns of
of Mike Woodson. Meanwhile, there is also a world in which,
without a decision having already been made, Mike Woodson would
have continued to do what he had been doing prior
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to that resignation and playing a two big lineup, staying
stubborn with the way that he was going about things
because of things outside of seeing the results on the floor,
whether it be promises made to players or you know,
talk about playing time, whatever it is, and worrying about
protecting the integrity of those promises for players who would
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come after. Mike Woodson didn't change lineups or change the
way Indiana played until after he announced he was leaving,
or after it was announced he was leaving. He still
hasn't said a damn thing about it. Really. He was
asked a little bit about it yesterday and you'll hear
it in just a few minutes. I'll let you listen
to Mike Woodson and what he had to say. But
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it is a fascinating thing because Indiana's gonna squeak into
the NC DOUBLEA tournament, and with the resources Indiana has,
the talent it has, in no world should Indiana be
squeaking into the NC DOUBLEA tournament. And so don't paint
this up as Indiana is being hasty because the Hoosiers
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are going to the NCAA tournament for the third time
in four years. I mean, that seems ridiculous. This isn't
a hasty thing. This is about setting a standard and
not coming close to the standard despite having more re
sources than any head coach in Indiana basketball history and
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more resources than almost any other coach in the country.
Don't act like he's getting a raw deal here. Don't
act like Indiana fans are crazy for this, that Indiana
fans are delusional. Nobody is saying, hey, you know what,
it's a national championship. You should be hanging banners. Man,
Why aren't you getting to the third weekend of the tournament?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Huh it is. Don't get boat raced by twenty five
points in back to back games. Don't get your ass
kicked by Illinois at home. And it's great that you
were able to squeak by Penn State and Ohio State
along the way. That's great, But don't act like, well,
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you know everything here is find Indiana fans are being crazy.
Mike Woodson's are getting a raw deal. He's not. Indiana
did exactly what they needed to do, probably waited a
year two long to do it. Be honest with you
that's part of that equation. So the national guys that
are out there and talking to to people in the program,
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which are assistant coaches and coaches that they've built relationship
with over the years, they're getting that view of it.
But ain't nobody calling the people who cover the team.
They ain't talking to the people who know what goes
on behind the scenes and saying, Mike Woodson's getting a
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raw deal. So there's that eight one, two, three, nine, three,
twenty six hundred is the number I want to hear
from you guys about Senior Day, the game yesterday, Mike Woodson,
all of it that goes into it again, a little
bit different show because it starts at eleven fifteen, the
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day after the night of the game. But it was,
in my opinion, the right thing to do, and I
won't we won't be doing this every game obviously going forward,
whether it's football or basketball, but it was something that
I did want to do this time because it was
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what I felt was best for everybody on their evening.
We'll get to a little bit of the game, not
a little bit, a lot of bit into the game.
Indiana sixty six to sixty win over Ohio State, which
they managed to close out the game nicely. Ohio State
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missed its last six shots when one of its last
eleven from the floor. Again, it was also not a
good basketball team that Indiana played, and the Buckeyes had
multiple opportunities to win this thing and just would not
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take those opportunities. Indiana actually shot worse than Ohio State
from the floor thirty five percent, but got thirty one
free throws twice as many free throws. Weird that. I
didn't hear Mike Woodson bitch about the officiating in this one.
He got doubled up on the number of free throws.
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Weird that, but that's that's a normal thing he complained with.
It was twenty one to seven at Oregon, It's thirty
one to fifteen at home, and not a peep, which
isn't unusual. But that's life in the Big ten, and
that's that's just how it is. Eight one, two, three,
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nine three, twenty six hundred is the number. I'm gonna
go ahead and play. Mike Woodson's postgame press conference. At
this point, you might hear something a little bit different
because of the fact that he brought his granddaughter in
with him, which is perfectly fine. By the way, I
got no issue with that at all. Of him doing that,
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she got a little fussy or the kid got a
little bit fussy. So uh, he handed the baby off
a little bit, you know, a couple of minutes into this.
So if at the start he sounds a little bit distracted,
that's why he was holding a child. So, without any
further ado, here is head coach Mike Woodson during his
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postgame press conference following yesterday's win.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Hey, all right, all right, let's go, Mike. It's your
last home game obviously this this season. It's a loaded question.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Forgive me.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
How do you I mean, I think the way people
remember you as a player certainly is pretty much set
in stone.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Now, how do you want them to remember what you've
done for this program over the last four years.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Well, you know, the one thing I look at it is,
you know, we've been in the tournament a few years,
able to recruit players, we've been able to graduate players.
You know, I just want the program to be successful.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That's all I ever thought about when I took the job,
and that's how I feel now, you know, So gravy, Okay,
go ahead, time.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, Mike knowing this, you know obviously last game assembly hall,
what were your emotions like today? Did you try to
just try to put that out of your head? And
if you'd be willing, you know, you haven't talked about
it a ton, but what went into your decision to
step down in the first place?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Say that again?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, what motions today? Uh, do you try to put
it out of your mind kind of throughout the day
or what were they like? And then, if you'd be willing,
you know you haven't talked about it much. What went
into your decision to step down earlier this season?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, we'll just focus in on the game. It's a
very emotional game, you know. I think back to nineteen
eighty playing this same team for the Big Ten title.
That's the only thing that was going through my head
throughout the day, and wanted it so much for these
seniors to win because I knew how special that night
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was for me my senior year and walking off that
floor as a Big Ten champion. You know, we still
have an opportunity to win the Big Ten Tournament, just
like the other fourteen teams that will be in it.
So that's that's all I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
About at this point, you know, then nothing else.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Is Mike, you mentioned what an emotional victory.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
This was.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Two part question. First what do you think got the
offense going in the last five minutes? And secondly, how
how does it feel to you that Tray Galloway, who's
been here with you for the whole ride, was such
a large part of it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I couldn't be more proud because he's caught so much
hell and it was only fitting that he hit the
biggest shot of the game tonight, you know, to really
sell it and give us the cushion that we needed
to win. So I couldn't be more proud of Trey
Galloway and his career he's had here on this basketball floor.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I mean, as a as a group, we haven't experienced
very many losses in this building. I mean, we've won
a lot of games in this building, and Trey's been
a big part of that because he's been with me
from day one. Anthony's been a part of it from
day one. So I'm I'm proud of all of our players,
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but I'm I'm proud of those two guys, especially because
they've been with me the longest.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, Mike, I was actually gonna ask you about that
that Galaway three at the end.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
First it seemed like there was some confusion with the
shock clock. Maybe I guess what was going on there,
but just you know, what, what's it like to see
Trey have a moment like that on senior day?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I think we got caught, uh, you know, not really
knowing the rule, you know, I mean there was a
loose ball. They came out, went out on oriend, so
all you get is twenty seconds on the car. So
we were screaming that the clock was wrong, and but
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Trey kept you know, focused, and once the pick and
roll broke down and the guy kind of went up
under the screen. Hell he stepped up and made a
big shot, which was kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, Mike, how do you want Trey to be remembered here?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I mean, the only way thing you can remember Trey
is that he plays hard, He competes, and you be
fooling yourself if you think anything else. That's all I
ever known him, man, you know, I nick named him
crazy man when I first started coaching him, because Helly
was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Didn't know what you were gonna get from him.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But he competed and that's all he's ever done, you know,
And for the fans to sit in here and boo
him during the time that they.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Booed him, it just wasn't right.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It just wasn't because that kid competes, He gives his
heart and have nothing but respect and love for Trace,
for Trace allaway.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Coach, speaking of competing on a day when shots weren't
falling for most of the day, you had Goodie and
Leo both had career highs and rebounds with the eight apiece.
What kind of what does that speak to in terms
of effort?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Seniors that didn't want to lose, you know, And I
wrote him, I've been writing.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Them, and.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I wasn't gonna take him out at the end. I mean,
if you lose, you want to lose with your seniors
on the floor.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I wasn't thinking that way.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I mean, I think once we Malik hit the two
free throws to give us the two point lead, we
never looked back from that point on. Our defense really
got stiff, and we made play after play, and we
made some good offensive plays, made our free throws a
few of them, and enough to give us the cushion
to win the games.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Coach, your Seth has been with you all four years,
but specifically today, Yes, sir Roseman on the floor screaming
calling out plays. What has he meant to you this
season and all four years?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I mean, all my coaches have been special, you know.
And I took this job, you know, after spending thirty
four years of my life in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It was a different move for me.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And the fact that I had some college guys that
had done it a while and they always reminded me
of that called me a rookie coach when I first started,
which I was like, hell shit, I coached a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Longer than a lot of you guys.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
But at the end of the day, they've helped me recruit,
They've helped me coach on the floor, They've helped me
put film sessions together, practice sessions together. I mean, it's
been you know, it's a lot that goes into coaching.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
A lot that you guys will never ever.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Know because you don't sit in the day to day
grind that we that we sit in.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
But it's a part of what we do.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But they've been very special to me, a big part
of what we've done over the last four years.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Last question, Coach right here back here on the CBS broadcast.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
You said your first thoughts were maybe I'm leaving too soon.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, you know, I mean those there's always gonna be
that thought. But you know, at the end of the day,
you know, it's not It's not about me right now.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
It's still about this team and and.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Us going up to Indianapolis and trying to win the
Big Ten Tournament.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Thanks Gye.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So there's Mike Woodson from his postgame press conference. Interesting
comments to say the least, because you know, again, look
there's a win and Indiana's gonna go to the NCAA tournament.
It is Uh, this dance that we've been doing along
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the way has been interesting because when that resignation was announced,
said he would address it at the appropriate time. What
happened yesterday in the press conference wasn't addressing anything he
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you know, is that video. What he believes is is
addressing things. I don't know. We'll we'll see.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Clearly, the focuses on the season as it goes on,
and what we saw yesterday was a team that was fighting,
that was battling along the way. Ohio State at one
time had a ten point lead with twelve minutes to
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go in the second half and the Hoosiers ended up
turning that into a six point victory. So that's sixteen
point swing. That's excellent, and that's what you want to see.
It's just a matter of again, this is Ohio State
team that Indiana competed against a peer team, because that
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is what a team, what they've done this year, it's
a peer team. One went finished the season ten and ten,
the other one finished nine and eleven. So that's good.
That's great that they battled against that. And Indiana's had
some nice wins Michigan State on the road, you know,
beating Purdue's. That's all really great. But it's a matter
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of four years ago when Mike Woodson was high. Was
Ohio State going to be what you looked at as
the peer team in year four with the resources that
are there. That's what I just keep coming back to.
But let's talk about that that it's Ohio State game
and he had to win sixty six to sixty. Some
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of the individual stats on this Trey Galloway sixteen points
on six of fifteen shooting. He had six assists in
two turnovers in thirty four minutes. McKenzie and Baco actually
along with Malik Renew led the Hoosiers at a plus
minus of thirteen. But Mackenzie seven points on one of
four shooting five of eight from the free throw line,
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had five rebounds in thirty one minutes. Imbaco made an
impact on the game without shooting, and that was really important,
really really important. Luke Goodie eleven points, just one of
seven shooting from the floor overall, one of six from
three point line, but eight of ten from the free
throw line, added eight rebounds to go with a block
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and a steal. Anthony Leo four points on one of
two shooting, eight rebounds, one assists. He had two blocks
at a steal in thirty five minutes, played a ton.
Let's talk about Anthony Leal. Okay, Anthony Leo might be
one of those main examples of what you're looking at
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when it comes to Woodson and how things have changed
since he finished up at since that announcement came. You
look at Anthony lele and along the way, he didn't
play much early in the season. I know he was
a bit banged up for that. But Indiana plays usc
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and Leal plays five minutes. You know at Iowa they
get boat raced. He plays twenty one minutes, sixteen minutes
against Illinois when Indiana got hammered at at there a
door at Assembly Hall. At that point, Indiana plays at
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Ohio State, Leo plays thirty one minutes. At Northwestern, Leo
plays twenty eight minutes. This is when he started getting
his time. This is where and if you look at
he plays at Perdue, he plays thirty five minutes. On
January thirty first, at Wisconsin, he plays just eleven minutes.
The announcement comes before the Michigan game. Since then, Leo
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has played thirty three minutes, thirty minutes, twenty thirty five,
thirty thirty four, twenty three, thirty five. All of a sudden,
Leo's in the lineup and he's staying there, and he's
staying there for three quarters of the game as well.
Why is this important Because those numbers, which you would
occasionally he'd pop in there, but really jumped with consistency
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after that announcement, which means prior to this announcement, leol
was a part of things, but he certainly wasn't a
starter and went in and went into things. And so
what took so long for that to happen. Leol helps
Indiana win games. I don't always like the way he plays.
You know, he's he flops. You know, he does a
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lot of little dirty things. He drew a file yesterday
on a screen where he wrapped his left hand around
in Ohio State's player's hip and then fell backwards and
pulled him down. It's a dirty little thing. It's not
my style. I don't like it, but it was effective
and it got I believe Goody to the free throw line.
So you know, it's those little things that help a
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team win. But where the hell was that over the
past few years? And it's not Leo. Isn't the guy
that I'm looking at there, it's a coaching staff. You
ride with the guys who are going to help you win,
and you don't don't sit there and play Canan Carlisle
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a bunch of minutes or Miles Rice a bunch of
minutes if they're not going to help you win, or
you told them come play here and here's a ton
of money, and here's you know, here's what the kind
of minute you're going to get. And then once that
future promises or that integrity of future promises falls away,
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you could put Leel in the lineup and start playing
on the hell of a lot better. And it didn't
happen on its own. If there was no announcement and
Mike Woodson decided I need to change things up, it
would be a different story. But it was once that
announcement made, then he changed everything. That's kind of where
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where I'm at with that. Omar Ballow nine points on
four of nine shooting, had seven rebounds and an assist
in twenty four minutes. I thought Indiana did a good
job of swapping Ballow and Renew out. They were on
the floor a little bit with each other, but not
a ton off the bench. He had Malik Renew come
off the bench. Sixteen points on five of ten shooting.
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He made all six of his free throws, five rebounds,
He had an assist, a block of steal to played
twenty two minutes. Miles Rice three points on one of
five shooting, just one of four from three point range.
I had a rebound four files twenty minutes. He was
plus one a bottle by the way of his minus six,
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which I think is interesting. Canaan Carlyle did not score,
played just four minutes, took two shots in that time.
All four of those minutes came in the first half.
Galloway obviously hit the big three where there was a
little bit of confusion and he was able to drain
a long three, which again first senior that you heard
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everybody was kind of talking about that. Still clearing up
a little bit of the remnants of the the illness
that got me last week. But it was a nice
performance from him, even there were some mistakes. He still
does some things that it's just at this point you
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would hope that we would be cleaned up, but they aren't.
Oh we had a caller and they were there for
thirteen seconds and hung up. Sure, hope they call back.
That would be really great. Eight one, two, three, nine three,
twenty six hundred is the number. Indiana shoots thirty five
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point two percent overall, just twenty five percent from three
point range, but they did make twenty three to thirty
one free throws. The Hoosiers out rebounded Ohio State forty
to thirty one. That lack of rebounding from Ohio State
was a big part of this, because the Hoosiers were
able to score eighteen second chance points and that's what
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really gave Indiana that advantage that they ahead, but they
struggled along along the way. Again, Ohio State outshot them overall,
but in the second half, Indiana was better defensively. And
again this is an IU team that found a way
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to win when it needed it most. Although in the
first half they were pretty flat, but they did turn
it on in the second half. It has been a
second half team. And there are so many opportunities along
the way that where the season and the narrative and
everything that goes into this year could have been a
lot different when it comes to some of the late
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game struggles Maryland, Purdue, you know, Michigan. You could run
it over and over and over again U c l A.
You could say that Indiana wasn't that far away, but
you could also point to very clear reasons why Indiana
wasn't able to close out games along the way. And
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the other thing is there is the overall record and
getting to the NCAA Tournament, and then there is the
idea just being competitive in the Big Ten and in Woods.
Since four years as head coach at IU, Indiana in
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the league is nine and eleven, twelve and eight, ten
and ten, ten and ten. Just to tick over five hundred,
hiring a coach and having the resources Indiana does, and
going through season after season of being just five hundred
and the Big ten, it isn't crazy to move on again.
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That's an NCAA tournament. Bids aren't the only factor here.
You say Indiana's going three times in four years and
they're moving on, that's that's not That's not the only
metric that we're using for Indiana. That should be the
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bare minimum of reaching the NCAA tournament with the support
and everything that goes into it. Eight one, two, three,
nine three, twenty six hundred is the number Indiana managed
to to score that winning Now, their next game is
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going to be against Oregon uh Thursday at noon in Indianapolis.
They're going to have that opportunity. But before so we
talk anymore, I'm going to bring on a collar caller,
have your name, where you're from, and what you got coler,
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can you hear me.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Up?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
We lost him? Well, that's a concern. That's a concern.
I don't know where that's two callers now that we've
just lost. Because I'm all four hearing from people. Eight
(36:25):
one two, three nine three twenty six hundred is the number. Again,
it's it's a uh. The controversy that goes into not
controversy that's too strong, the controversy of the discussion about
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senior night. You could give it not and understand how
you have a pile of guys, a bunch of walk
ons who God bless them, but nobody knows who they are.
You have Luke Goodie and Omar Balo who've been only
here for a year, and so there's not necessarily that
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connection that you might have with a lot of guys
previous college basketball has changed the world has changed. It
used to be a guy like Trey Galloway, he committed
early and people could go watch him play in high
school and have seen him develop over the years. Same
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thing with Anthony Lele. You've seen that over the years.
That is now more of a unusual thing, and I
think it'll continue to be an unusual thing. Guys that
are there year over year over year definitely going to
be the case next year. There's gonna be a lot
of new faces next year, folks. So the question becomes, then,
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does the senior speeches, does everything that goes into that,
is that something that falls by the wayside? Is that
another tradition that's going to uh to go away. A
lot of Indiana is one of the few schools I
know that allow that have a speech. Most schools do
something before a game and not after, and Indiana's kind
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of always been an outlier with that. And that goes
back to the night years and also created a bunch
of fun moments over the years, whether it's Knight's poem
that uh that he's done and uh, well, let's hear
from Bob Knight right now on Earth is gone and
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my activities here are past. I want they bury me
upside down and my critics can kiss my ass. Everybody
loves that poem. Everybody was really on the on the
chat says I thought the tribute to Mike Woodson was
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tasteful and well done. No argument here. I thought it was.
It was. It was well done. Uh it was. It
was a nice, very nice video, and it was it
was nice and nicely done. I said, he he was
draped in Bob Knight in that thing, and you know,
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I might have closed the video with that and put
put the focus on the players a little bit more,
but it was that's that's an editing decision. That's all
that is. So that's that's how how that goes. But
uh uh you think other moments on senior Nights was
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Colin Hartman proposing to his girlfriend, which that relationship didn't
end up working out, but it was a fun moment
that you had right there. One of the top Senior
Night moments was Mike White's speech uh to uh his
senior night when he forgot Brett Finkelmeyer's name. Teammate forgot
his name. That was awesome. And you have just some
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some fun stuff and then you have some things that
aren't great, which might have been one of the reasons
why Mike Woodson wasn't handed to microphone when he talked
about true fans last year and he insulted half the
fan base, So that may be part of that equation too.
But it's okay, you know it is. It's something to
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look at. Indiana has has started to move things just
a little bit when it comes to two traditions such
as having the uh the black uniforms and things like that.
Don't want to make a caller, wait, Coller fan, kind
of your name, where you're from and what.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
You got that's described from Texas. I just wanted to.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Hello, Hello, yeah, I could hear.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
Oh yeah, I thought it was a really good decision
to go ahead and do the video tribute and take
take the microphone out of both Woodson's hands and the
player's hands, given what happened last year and the other
thing I wanted to raise with you. And maybe I
missed a little bit of the show, so maybe you've
already talked about it. But what do you make of
Mike Woodson's comments to the national announcer about he's maybe
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leaving too soon? Well, he doesn't hang up and listen.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Well, he doesn't want to leave. I mean, he doesn't
want this to be happening. He thinks that he's done
a good job and shouldn't be walking away. I know
that this is being couched as his decision, and you
know that hasn't been. There's been repeatedly he's talked to
TV people and made comments kind of in that same
(41:55):
Vein the way he looks at it is they're going
to the n NC Douablea tournament three times in four years,
and he's average, he said, said, you know, he's average
twenty one wins a year. He thinks he's done a
good job. And my argument is well, you've also blown
a lot of games over the years. You've lost a
whole ton of them by double digits, twenty plus point losses,
(42:19):
and you haven't lived up to the old your own
standards that you had of just competing for a Big
ten title. You haven't gotten within sniffing distance of one
of those. So that's kind of why he's saying the
way what he is, so that that's where it is.
I appreciate the call. Good to hear from Texas. I
(42:41):
don't know if I've heard from Texas yet another call.
This will be cleared up in the next couple of days.
It has to. It has to otherwise I feel like
I'm going to be like in a period piece and
coughing blood into a handkerchief, like I got tuberculosis, but
(43:03):
I don't. I went to the doctor the other day.
So it's fine in terms of Indiana and what they're
going to do. You know, a big part of Indiana
going to the NCAA tournament is also going to be
what happens in other places around the country. You're bid
(43:25):
stealers along the way, and also you want to win
in the Big ten tournament. That's the other thing with
this Big Ten tournament's going on, been going on now
for you know, a long time, nearly thirty years, and
Indiana has not been a factor in the Big Ten
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tournament most years. They've gone to the title game a
couple of times, never won it. And for this program,
that's how long it's been since you've just had a
any kind of consistency here, and so limping along, you know,
squeaking into the n C Double A Tournament. Because I
(44:05):
also want to make the point about when it comes
to Indiana, I'm pulling up the exact, uh, the the
exact run of things here. Go to the n C
Double A Tournament three times in four years. One of
(44:28):
them you went to the uh uh first four.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Another one you did get to the second round. But
every one of those losses you get hammered. And so
squeaking into the n C Double A Tournament is nice,
but damn man, you gotta progress. And that's kind of
where we are. We're in the tournament week and there's
still the question of what is going to uh to
(44:55):
happen with this season by this time in a program
that is going the direction because it's never ever about today,
It's never about today. It is about the direction that
you're going. Is Indiana basketball in a better place today
than it was a year ago? It isn't. So again,
(45:18):
I just I keep coming back to this, this argument
that wow, maybe Indiana jumped again. No they didn't. No,
they didn't. And again with with more resources than most
programs in the country. So I keep coming back to
that that it is changes are coming, It's going to
(45:39):
be better. This frustration that you know, people you know
accuse me of having a vendetta or anything. No, I
just want to see good basketball. I just want to
see good basketball, and that is not always necessarily what
we've seen along the way. Eight one, two, three, nine, three,
(46:01):
twenty six hundred lines are open and uh again now
the focus turns to Oregon, which Indiana UH lost to
a couple of years. On last Tuesday, they lost and
so what are you gonna learn about that loss that
(46:23):
you had? That was a nine point loss on the road. Uh.
Umar Ballo was big in that ten points, twelve rebounds.
Indiana showed nice balance, Galloway and excuse me, Burpin sixteen points. Uh.
That is is is where Indiana's strength came from. Miles
(46:49):
Rice played twenty six minutes in that game. And it
is the quickness of Oregon that is really uh, part
of the equation there. Oregon sits at twenty two and eight.
Are they twenty two eight? Are they still twenty two
and eight? Yeah, they're twenty two and eight and eleven
(47:13):
and eight in the Big Ten, only finishing a spot
above Indiana. Only have three more wins than Indiana, and
yet it is still Oregon's in a better place than Indiana.
And so that challenge it'll be, you know, it'll be
ostensibly a home game for Indiana. It always is when
(47:35):
you play in Indianapolis, which makes sense. But the Hoosiers
have to come to play, they have to play with
the sense of urgency, and that was really missing in
the first half yesterday. And you want to make sure
that that is uh is part of the equation that
you're you're there and you're ready to play. Eight one, two, three,
(47:57):
nine three, twenty six hundred is the number. Appreciate the
call from Texas. I. Just finishing this season strong was
certainly a positive for Indiana. They beat some teams that
(48:17):
they should have along the way. Those losses in January
just kept stacking up and it was when teams were
the tougher teams. Indiana basically didn't take care of business
save for the Michigan State game. The second half against Purdue.
(48:41):
Given that Perdue game, it was a win. And so
it's not how, it's how many, but the difference between
the first and second half. We still haven't seen that
same level of effort from the Hoosiers in any of
the games that they've had since that second half of
the Purdue game. So you just wanted, I expected to
see that level of effort and then didn't along the way.
(49:09):
Eight one, two, three, nine, three, twenty six hundred is
the number. And so that is uh where we're at
as I have to join in our our special guest
(49:30):
is going to be coming down here. And got a
chance to cover the game Senior night with Charlie the Intern,
which is always fun. Someone on Twitter says, thoughts on
Woodson not staying out and supporting his team during the
video speeches seemed like a real crappy to do. In
(49:53):
my opinion, it shows his lack of leadership and character.
I honestly didn't notice that along the way that that
he had gone inside. I know that he was he
was sticking around, and you know, look, Mike Woodson is
gonna be emotional. He's going to have that that feeling.
So to me, if he is, if he didn't stick around,
(50:14):
I could understand that completely along the way. But Woodson
was was a It's just such an odd situation that
that's the thing on the chat. Pecan says ken other
than Luke Goodie, if he's successful appealing, who else would
(50:36):
you like to see return? There's a difference in who
I would like to see return and who actually might return.
I think there's gonna be a huge, huge turnover for
this roster during the off season. Obviously Lela is gone,
Obviously bollow has gone, Obviously Galloway is gone. Wood Mackenzie Mbacco,
(51:01):
who his NBA draft stock has not risen this year.
Would he benefit from a fresh start, because there's two
parts of this about about what is best for a
player and what is best for a program, and so
Mbaco his game could change depending on who the coach is.
(51:22):
You want to see that development. Miles Rice has a
lot of quickness, a lot of uh uh, brings a
lot to the floor. He's a guy, but he also
needs to develop along the way from a skill standpoint, Mbaco,
Renew Rice, those are three guys I think that could
help any team that they're on, but we haven't seen
(51:43):
them take a step. Renews basically the same player that
he was when he got here, and that isn't his fault.
He has to you have to be coached up. You
have to be helped along the way. Mbaco the same way.
Good jump shooter. You see of him being better defensively,
being more engaged, and that's really great. Miles Rice has
(52:05):
a ton of skills, a ton of quickness need to
be polished. So any of those guys I think would
be a good addition. But also from a players standpoint,
it might be in their best interest to move on
and get a fresh start somewhere with a new coach,
coaching change, all that kind of stuff. They have the
opportunity to do it. They're gonna have the ability to
(52:28):
collect plenty of nil money no matter where they go.
So I think it's going to be a drastically different
looking roster next year, both because of the classes of
the players and where they are. I wouldn't expect Caanan
Carlisle to be here next year, and what we just
(52:48):
did right there is go through the entire rotation from yesterday,
so we will see. Luke Goodie is somebody that I
could see if he gets that extra year. I could
see him sticking around because of how often he is
has talked about how much he enjoys wearing the candy
stripes and everything that goes into that. So you know,
(53:10):
Goody is going to be an asset no matter where
he goes. Plus some of these guys look Goody went
ahead and and transferred, had to get used to a
new program and everything that goes along with that. To me,
that is where it comes up. So I could see
him sticking around now. Then I wanted to bring in
(53:33):
my special guest, Charlie the intern here, who is uh
cover the game with me yesterday was a part of
the equation for us, and he wanted to give a
couple of comments. I appreciate everybody kind of indulging me
with this on on my son as he gets it.
And to make sure your microphone is on, son, Charlie,
(53:54):
how are you doing.
Speaker 9 (53:55):
I'm doing okay. I really enjoyed yesterday's game.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
What'd you think of the crowd?
Speaker 9 (54:03):
They were very they were It was very, very loud,
especially when I used scored a basket. I just wanted
to go over three things too. I planned on talking
about yesterday one thing you talked about earlier.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
Right.
Speaker 9 (54:21):
First of all, the one thing that I remember from
the game. One of the things I remember from the
game is me going whoa when Umar Ballow got an
alley oop.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah. They ran that play a couple of times and
it worked out really really well for them. And that's
where his size really makes a huge difference.
Speaker 9 (54:40):
Yeah, it really does. Like how tall seven foot one? Yeah, dude,
and number two is a lot of people talked about
this in the press conference with the players. One question
with Mike, you know the trade gall corner shot that
(55:03):
very big three and everybody went insane. He was wide
open back there.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I don't know about wide open. I mean he had
a guy in his face, but he knocked down the shot.
It was a deep shot to it for a guy
who's been a little bit up and down from three.
It was a huge senior moment for him for sure.
Speaker 9 (55:22):
And then the third thing I wanted to go over
was Luke Goody. I think he might be one of
the he might return to AYU for one more year,
like Leland Trey did.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
That.
Speaker 9 (55:38):
That's a possibility because like you said, he really enjoys
wearing the candy stripes and being out there with IYU.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, and he's got a medical red shirt that he
could get, So that is all going to be part
of that equation. And so it's we're in for an
exciting couple of weeks, is what we are. Because this
season's going to come to an end. Indiana can Indiana
fans can just root for the team, and they've done
a great job of doing just that along the way
of supporting this team as the season has gone on,
(56:07):
and there's still that excitement of who's going to come next,
who's going to be that next guy?
Speaker 9 (56:13):
Yeah, Leo and Trey, that was an awesome thing at
Senior Night. And I kept thinking when the when they
were coming out, especially Trey and Leo man one year ago,
they were probably giving a speech and now they're thinking,
I want to come back again, but I can't.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
That's pretty much where it is. Well, Charlie, I appreciate
you coming on and giving your insight and thanks for
covering the game.
Speaker 9 (56:41):
Thank you too, and especially Leo who is from Bloomington.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yes, Bloomington South Kid, thanks a lot, Charlie, welcome that
special guest. Charlie, in turn joining us, wanted to give
his thoughts on what was was coming on and went
through the game. It's kind of interesting you you get
that perspective of somebody who's new to the game, you know,
(57:07):
and and so I actually enjoy, really enjoy watching games
with him. And I'll tell you what that kid is
well liked at Assembly Hall. I'll tell you that final
call for for phone calls eight one to two, three, nine, three,
twenty six hundred. As we get into UH the noon hour, UH,
Indiana has UH has a noon game against Oregon UH
(57:38):
in the Big Ten Tournament. I haven't seen the brackets
just yet, and so let's see here. If Indiana wins UH,
they would then play again on Friday against the top seed.
(57:58):
It looks like so they got a road but they
have opportunities as well, and that's something that shouldn't be overlooked. Look,
Indiana struggled through January. That has been a theme for
a long time, and being able to come out and
string together some wins. I will absolutely agree with the
(58:20):
concept that you don't want to play Indiana right now
because of that potential that they have. We saw that
potential against Purdue, we saw it against Michigan State. They
have held their own at times this season. We've also
seen them go the other direction, where you know, you're
losing at Nebraska by seventeen points, or losing at Iowa
(58:44):
by twenty five, or losing at home to Purdue or
rather to Illinois by twenty five. Indiana seems to have
found its footing a little bit more. But part of
that has to do with I don't want to say
the level of opponent, because they got it together against
Michigan State and Purdue, but there's just been too many
(59:07):
times this year where they haven't shown up and against
a different team. Yesterday it could have been different, but
they were playing Ohio State, which isn't great so but
they got the victory sixty six sixty. They finished the
regular season at ten and ten in the Big Ten,
nineteen and twelve. Overall, getting a twentieth win would be
(59:27):
really important for this ball club, and that is where
this is. You want to get to twenty wins. But
I think that even without a win in the Big
Ten tournament, Indiana probably is still going to get into
the NCAA tournament. Now, whether that'll be a first four
(59:48):
in Dayton or not, that remains to be seen. But
Indiana does at least finish the season on a high note.
And now we could look to a situation where it's
winner home, it is, it is, That's where we're at
right now. So that should raise the sense of urgency
for absolutely everybody on that team. Well, it's all the
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time we have on the Peaks post game Live. I
want to thank you for listening, and I want to
remind you of visit peags dot com for the very
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