Weaver & Kelly's IU Football Podcast: Indiana ascends to No. 3 after win at Oregon

Indiana went into Autzen Stadium and knocked off No. 3 Oregon on the road for arguably the biggest win in program history. Peegs.com's Matt Weaver and Jared Kelly go in-depth on the Hoosiers' victory, how it happened, and much more. They also discuss Penn State's firing of James Franklin and preview IU's Homecoming game against Michigan State.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome in everybody. It is Tuesday, October fourteenth, Indiana winners
thirty to twenty over number three ranked Oregon in Eugene
at Austin Stadium. The Hoosiers are the number three ranked
team in the nation, the highest AP ranking in program history.
Peaks of Commas. Matt Weaver Jared Kelly here to talk
about all the craziness that's happening in Bloomington right now.

(00:25):
Matt we are. You know, last year we thought we
were in uncharted territory. This year it's just gone to
a whole new stratosphere for Indiana. And you know, will
be the first to say, we did not predict Indiana
to win this game, to go into Eugene and win
this game. But lo and behold, they look like the
better team on the day. They deserve to win this game,
and they certainly earned it on the field, Yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I think the score, even though they won by ten points,
is almost a little bit misleading because I think the
way they played, especially in the second half, the way
they dominated Oregon, you know, really made the made the
game even more of a gap than what the score showed.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
But still it didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
That bottom line is you know, you won thirty twenty,
and you know, they were great.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I said it before.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think, you know, maybe they're getting enough credit. But
this Indy had his defense to me, should be really
be talked about a lot nationally because they are, you know,
they are outstanding. They had you know, I mean, you
talked about it yesterday kind of you know, off the record,
we're just chatting about how and I can't remember which
guy it was for CBS after the game said that
their front seven is better than Georgia and Alabama's, which

(01:33):
is like, that's incredible that they that they would say that,
you know, but I think it's a fair statement their
front seven is. I mean, it's just playing unbelievable football.
I mean, they sacked the guy six times who had
been sacked one time in the first what five games,
and they really uh, you know, except for a few runs.
There's a few runs up the middle, but they they

(01:53):
didn't let Oregon do anything. All the things that I
was concerned about, Indiana shutdown and they didn't have to
do anything tricky to do it.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
They just played their game.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
They didn't have to run like trick plays or you know,
fake a punt or you know anything like that that
that's a little bit out of the ordinary.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
They just played their game and they just beat them
straight up.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And it was honestly, you know, considering what was at stake,
the stage, the team, and the talent that they possessed,
I mean, this is as good as a win that
I've probably ever seen in my life, you know, following
and covering Indiana football, I can't remember a bigger game
than that. And they they not only did I they
didn't will under the pressure or the stage. They went

(02:34):
in there and they were clearly the better team.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, you know, the thing that stands out to me
the most is they look like that belonged and they
not not not not in just the way they presented
themselves on that level, but they matched Oregon at every step.
You know, it felt like ever since time Oregon threw
a punch, Indiana threw a punch right back. And I
think that kind of stunned Oregon a little bit. Not
that they were necessarily overlooking Indiana, but I think I

(02:57):
think a little bit of it is is, hey, it's
it's still Indiana, and it's hard for you know, especially
with Oregon with so many five stars and four Stars,
Blue Trip recruits. You know, I do wonder how much
of that was in their head a little bit like hey,
we we don't lose at Austin Stadium ever fafter then
with an Indiana program that still gets to prove itself
that it can win these big games, Like I wonder
how much Oregon was kind of stunned by how how

(03:19):
well Indiana handled the punches and was able to throw
them throw them right back their way.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I agree, And I mean I think you could
almost kind of see it on that the last pick
they showed. They showed Dante More after Isaiah Jones made
that pick to pretty much what did steal the game.
I mean you can kind of like they just like
you could see it in their face, uh, in his
eyes a little bit when they when they when they
panned on him. I mean there was a bit of
a deer in headlights, I think for for Oregon, especially

(03:45):
in that second half when they just could not do anything.
And obviously they got that pick six, but I mean
they they offensively, they could not do anything against Indiana's defense,
and that's that's not that that doesn't happen to Oregon.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
And when that happened to you. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It's it's probably like almost like an out of body experience,
like what's going on here? But yeah, they you know,
and maybe this will be a you know when I
say wake up call for Org and they were playing
good football, but you know that I could see them
running the table the rest of the way and winning out.
But yeah, Inyanda definitely punched them in the mouth and
they it didn't it shook them for sure.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt at this point,
at least at this point in the college fotball season,
this is the best win in the nation. I mean,
going on the road to a place where you know,
Oregon's only lost once at home under Dan Lanning, just
a notoriously tough place to play in general, Like, this
is the best one a win in college football this season.
It might honestly be the best win the entire season.
We'll see how things play out. But Indiana going and

(04:44):
finally finally exercising the demons a little bit there, Matt,
before we get into the nuts and bolts of this game,
did any because we both predicted that Indiana was gonna lose.
We thought they would be competitive, we thought they'd have
a chance to win, but we thought they were gonna lose.
What surprised most about Indiana's performance in how they showed
up showed up on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Oh, for me, it was defensively, you know. I mean
they if you look at the offense numbers, it was
pretty good. But I think they had like three hundred
and fifty or sixty yards of offense.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
You know, they did some good things offensively. I mean
running the ball.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think it was around three point seven yards to
carry or something like that. I mean you had to
turnover from from Mendoza, So I mean the offense was solid.
I would it wasn't, but that's a good defense. To me,
it was the defense, and it was it was their
ability to get pressure on Dante more and even when
they weren't getting sacks, they were speeding him up to
the point where his passing.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Numbers were not what they normally are. I'm this the guy.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
I think it was at like seventy something percent completion
percentage and he was nowhere near that on Saturday. So
to me, it was the defense and their ability to
neutralize all the speed and explosive if that Oregon possesses.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
It's almost like the saying, you know, death by ten
thousand cuts or whatever in Indiana, Like you mentioned it
with Dnton Moore end of the game, Like you can
see him hanging his head a little bit after that
last pick, like he was super deflated, and it felt
like the pressure really got to him, like especially you know,
early on he was kind of moving around doing his
thing that we expected him to, you know, scrambling, and
then as the game were on, it really just felt

(06:15):
like Indiana's pressure just really wo wore him down, especially
Dante Moore. Uh, you know, he got banged up a
little bit. I think it was in the fourth quarter.
He took a took a big hit sort of lower
half of the body, and he looked like he was
shooking up a little bit and you could see Indiana's
defense kind of wearing on him. And that was that
was my biggest you know, if Indiana had a path
to win this game, Matt go I, I kind of

(06:37):
envisioned it going this way where you know, Dante Moore
was really good in that Penn State game, but he's
still largely inexperience and I know he's playing at home,
but you know, on a stage like this, He hasn't
really had that much experience, and I felt like Indiana
could get after him. That was your path to victory.
And and Brian Haynes, I mean, what more can you
say about him? Just an elite level of mind. He
showed it in this game. And I mean he was

(06:59):
a Bros Award Finals last year, didn't win the award.
I mean, he's got to be the front runner at
this point, I think to win.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
That absolutely, and not only an elite defensive mind, but
his Twitter game is pretty elite too. I don't know
if you saw the tweets about put your clown shoes
on and start dancing or something. It was pretty good.
So yeah, and that's that's a good point that maybe
we didn't talk about enough going into the game. Even

(07:26):
though Dante Moore had that year at UCLA, let me,
let's be honest, UCLA didn't play in a lot of
huge games that season, if any.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
And while he did get a lot.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Of experience, he it's totally different when you're playing as
a number three team, the quarterback for the number three
team in the country in a game like that against
a team that's you know, quite else. Everybody expected them
to win. Nobody expected Indiana to win. That gave everybody
expected Oregon to win.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
And that's one thing I said.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I thought the pressure was kind of more on organ
just because it was at home, and you know, Indiana
was still kind of oh, they're this feel good, kind
of one hit wonder story. Even though me and you
felt we felt like that was not the case at all,
A lot of people did. So, Yeah, I thought they
rattled him. I thought they rattled him for sure, you know.

(08:13):
And and and uh, you know, I thought I thought
one of the big moments, uh and this happened at
Iowa was that getting that three points before halftime, you know,
I mean, and it was a little bit different than Iowa,
but that that that was such a huge kick and
to give you a little bit of momentum. And if
I if I'm not mistaken, I believe Indiana got the
ball coming out of the half. And now they didn't
do anything. I think they went through and now, but
the bottom line is you had that momentum going into half,

(08:34):
and you had a chance to double down and start
the second half. But and those are the kind of
things that win games. Now, I didn't come down to
that field goal, but it was a big deal. So
but it just everything Indiana did, I think just totally
rocked Oregon at their core. I don't think they expected this.
I don't think they thought Indiana would be the more
physical team than they were. I don't think they thought
Indiana could shut you know, could keep up with their

(08:56):
speed on the outside, and they did, and it was
It's just it was a it was a really good
performance from all three phases. Again, this is a complete
football team. This is a team where all three phases
every week are showing up and playing well.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think my biggest takeaway, and then before we get
into those bullets, my biggest takeaway just the amount of
backbreaking moments that Indiana had. You know, there were so
many moments where Indiana kind of laid down and sort
of surrendered that game and let Oregon take over. You know,
between the miss penalty calls, the penalty calls against Indiana,
a lot of those false starts the first quarter, that

(09:33):
that that deep shot that the Oregon connected on after
the touchdown, fourth quarter of the picks. I mean, there
was just so many many moments throughout this game that
Indiana teams in the past would have completely laid down
for and you know, curl up into a ball quite frankly,
and you know, I was kind of waiting for it
to happen in this game. You know, it was like
how many more of these can Indiana sustain and get
back on its feet from? And then you know, Fanana

(09:56):
Mendoza throws a pick and then he just leads a
just a completely surgical seventy five yard touchdown drive. And
you want to talk about poise and confidence and you know,
never getting flustered like Curtis Rourke had that last year,
but Fernando Mendoza, he is on another level in terms
of shaking things off. His ability to bounce back from
that pick six, like we we just haven't seen that

(10:18):
from an Indiana quarterback before.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, And I remember after it happened. I mean I
was watching the game with my sons and I didn't
say it was over, but I was like, man, that
can't happen. This is that's the kind of thing that
you know, when you're in this kind of game, you
can't have those kind of mistakes. And so and I
remember thinking, you know, saying this next drive is going
to be really, really huge, and you know, they come
out and they go down the field. Like you said,

(10:42):
it was trying to see all the plays here that
they went down. I mean it was it had to
be ten twelve plays, at least twelve play seventy five
yards to go back up twenty seven to twenty. You know,
just just an outstanding job by by that offense and
by Fernando at the bounce back. And you know we
mentioned this when we did the thing on the field

(11:03):
yesterday after the press conference. You know, Sinnetti said he
went to Mendoza after that pick and staid, are you
having fun? You know you would like you think in
that situation he might be really upset, you know, really
want to give him the riot act. And he understood
the situation. He understaid, Hey, the kid's been playing good.
My quarterback's been playing good. You know, it's not all
on him. I mean the receiver maybe could have run
a better route. He didn't throw a great ball, but
you know he had total confidence, obviously, say Fernanda Mendoza,

(11:26):
and it showed he went down there and that third
down passed to sarat On at the eight yard line
for the touchdown. I mean they talked, they showed the replay,
but that balls out of his hands before Sarats even
turning around. I mean it was halfway there and it
was perfect. I mean, you could not have run over
and handed it to sarat any better. So go all
the credit and where. I mean, we've seen it. Fernando

(11:46):
is such an even keel guy. You know he he
watched him on the field. He's not too higher love.
I mean, it's excited when they score, but he he
he plays the next play and he did that and
like that drive. I mean that may be, honestly, I mean,
go back me one of the greatest strives in the
history of Indiana football because when it happened, and the
stakes and how big it was, and and he just

(12:09):
he stood in there and kept making plays and the
offitsive line did their job. It was it was a
lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, coming out of that pick six too. I remember
being in our in our live chat over over in
pigs dot com if you guys haven't checked it out,
we do a live chat for every game day. But
I remember being in there and I just kept saying,
you know, coming out of this pick six, random Mendoza
needs an easy an easy completion just get him going,
get them, get him. You know, it's like basketball, you
got to see the ball go through the hoop once

(12:35):
to get hot again. And I felt like once Mendoza
saw saw completion go, you know, complete a pass, I
mean I felt pretty good that he was going to
be able to settle back down. And I really liked
what he said after the game too. You know, he
was asked about how did you bounce back from that
pick six? And he said, you know, Aden Fisher came
over to me on silence and we got your back.
All my teammates came over to me on silence and

(12:56):
we got your back. And this is an Indiana team
that I mean, you believe, you believe that these things happen.
Even Kurzgetti said yesterday his Monday prez conference, you know,
he was he was walking around the island. He could
hear all the coaches, all the position coaches saying, you know,
one play at a time, next play on, the next play.
Everything that Kurzygnetti preaches it, you know, from a just
trickles down from his top down in a game like this,

(13:17):
it meant the world for Indiana.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, and he's you know, it's interesting. He mentioned how
the coaches told him before the game. When the players
are out warm up, he could hear the players saying
to each other, you know, one play at a time,
you know, uh uh, you know, each play has its.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Own life and move on.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I mean like they they they're they're internalizing it, they're
saying it to each other. They're they're they're living they're
living their the words through actions and how they play,
and and and it's a ton of credits Signetti and
to his staff because obviously when they're in practice, you know,
he can't be everywhere. So these coaches have to be
you know, the the his filter to the players that

(13:52):
they coach, and obviously they're doing a great job and
all every coach on the staff has just been outstanding there.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Every position is playing at a really high level.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, certainly, certainly. All right, let's start here as we
as we dive into this, one's start offensively because defense.
Obviously I felt like defense won the day for Indiana here,
so we'll get to them in a second. But offensively,
the first thing I watched for as this game kind
of unraveled in the first quarter was the snap count.
You know, did it Oregon's not a huge, you know,
blitzing team, but they do send pressure that you know,

(14:23):
they show a lot of pressure, simulated pressures. And I
was watching for Indiana snapcount on how they would have adjusted. Well,
they get a bye week, you get two weeks to
sit on it, and they've made a lot of adjustments.
You know, three three plays in a row. They had
three different cadences to get that snap off, and you know,
I think it really it really helped Indiana keep Oregon
sort of back on his back, on its back back

(14:44):
heels a little bit. So that that was really critical
because I felt like in a game like this, you
have to change something, especially coming off of bye week.
Indiana had to get that snap operation cleaned up against
such a talented Oregon defense, and it looked like they
did and hopefully it carries over for the rest of
the year. But it certainly looks like they fixed a
lot of those issues.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, I mean, to me, the biggest issue is they
were was pre snap they had you know, three or
four uh procedures where and I know there was some talk,
you know, Kim, but maybe Oregon was doing some things
that might have been a little bit close across in
the line their defensive lineman with their hands. But whatever
they were, they were shifting right, you know, right right

(15:24):
there before the snap and it was causing I used
to problems, But yeah, I don't. For me, I didn't
see anything that looked like the snap count was a
big issue for IU, like it was at Iowa at
times and then obviously last year against Ohio State, and
you know, probably Notre Dame. So you know, whatever, whatever
they worked on, and I mean, they don't tell us,
uh and nor should they, it looks like they got

(15:46):
it figured out. It looked like it was still the
right guard Bray Lynch was tapping Coogan on the leg.
But whatever it was, you know, it maybe was just
what they were doing up front was better. But it
didn't seem like the noise was a big problem. It
seemed more like he probably had was more of what
Oregon was doing before the snap was kind of maybe
screwing Indiana. But kudos for that. Like I said, I

(16:07):
that's to me was not a big I was not
concerned about that they would get that figured out, and
they did get it figured out.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, there was a couple that I know, I know,
like Brady Lynch had a couple of two taps where
you know, he would throw the arm out once no snap,
and then the second time he would snap and then
random Mendez obviously had the leg lift to trigger the snap.
There was a couple where you know, he would shake
his hands in front of him to trigger the snap.
So they did. They did a couple of different things,
which which I think kind of kept organ guessing a
little bit, which which you need in a game like this.

(16:35):
So that that was the first thing that I really
watched for Matt. And then secondly, I wanted to see
Indian fa the line of scrimmage. I really, I really
watched the offensive line, especially early in this game, to
see how that how physical a would be and how
they would handle Oregon and and lo and behold. I
mean you hold Oregon star defensive ends Mateo and Galile
he is uh I think just one tackle, no sacks,

(16:57):
Tatum Tuoti tu Eyoti, zero sacks as well, I mean
this is the game of one sack entire game. Indiana
absolutely responded. Their offensive line did absolutely responded to the
to the stage in the atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, they did, and they did a good job. They
protected Mendoza, Like you said, one sack. I mean, there
might have been a few times. I'm sure they got
some pressure on him, but you know, he for the
most part out a clean pocket. You know, it wasn't
a vintage running game, but it wasn't gonna be I mean,
you know that that wasn't that wasn't gonna happen, you know,
I mean, you know Romanhamby uh seventy four yards seventy

(17:33):
yards nineteen carries, Mendoza forty. Those were I thought the
Mendoza runs were really huge, especially late in the game
where they needed to maybe get some yardage or get
close to first down. But yeah, the old line did
a good job. And one of the players I was
actually watching replay the game yesterday was the screen pass
to sarat where he went down and I think he
got all the way down, he got to the eight
yard line. It was a touchdown when they scored to

(17:55):
go up twenty seven to twenty and Lynch Bray Lynch
came out and had a huge block who because they
as soon as the ball step the lineman came out
as a screenplay, they threw it behind the line of
scrimmage and they came out and just and the receivers
did too. But Bray Lynch had a monster block out there,
uh to kind of spring that and there was other
guys out there too, Khalil Benson. Just a great job
by them. I mean that was a huge play that

(18:17):
set up that touchdown. So yeah, the offensive line has
been has played really well. And you know, obviously Iowa
there were there was some struggles there and that wasn't
all on them. It was that was that was an
offensive you know, wide issue. But the offensive line has
We thought they would be better this year. We thought
they'd be able to hold up against teams like this,
and they did.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think what would impress me the most about India
is blocking is is late in the fourth quarter when
Indian was trying to burn clock at true clock like
that that that game winning touchdown drive where Mendoza found Serrat.
They they burned off six minutes of clock there and
then after you know you turn around or against the ball, uh,
Lewis Moore picks off Dante More and then Indiana once
again they bleed off almost four minutes a clock, just

(19:01):
complete smash mouth football, running it up the middle. Oregon
knew they were running the ball and Indiana was still
able to pick up just enough for her first downs
and to keep the clock rolling, like that's exactly what
you want in these late game scenarios on the road
to close out opponents. And even on I believe it
was Roman Henby's second touchdown run, Indiana had Zenahllsky out
there as a sixth line and they brought Holden station

(19:22):
and took every receiver off the field. I don't even
know if you noticed this, mat but they had Stephen
Daley in there at full back. It was either fourteen
personnel or twenty three personnel regardless. You know, it was
just a jumbo said Indiana, complete smash mouth football. And
I really like that Indiana rose to the occasion in
terms of physicality because you could see it, and especially

(19:44):
as a game more on, you could see that Oregon
sort of started relenting in Indiana kind of knew it
had the upper hand in that department.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, and I know it's a small stample size. And
again take PFF for it, but zen mcowsky got really
high run blocking grades from PFF in this game. And
that was only I said, and he struggled. They used
him in that kind of role a couple of weeks
ago against Iowa, and he really struggled on like it
wasn't a goal line, but it was like on those
short the third down and fourth then in fact, I
think on one of the fourth down plays he got

(20:13):
blown up pretty badly. So give him credit, you know,
he bounce back and this is the role that he's
been in so far this year. And he did a
good job on He did a good job on on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
And you're right at that drive when they got it back.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
They took three minutes and fifty seven seconds off the clock,
nine plays twenty It was only twenty eight yards, but
they went down they got basically it was basically almost
like an extra point type field goal for Radishick. And
you know, they they they bled the clock as much
as they possibly could and really put organ in a
spot where it was almost gonna be impossible for them

(20:48):
to have any chance to win the game. And again
this is where this is what Indiana teams did not
do in the past. First of all, they would almost
never be in that situation against that kind of opponent,
but if they were, they would usually find a way
you know, uh, you know, I mean, I point a
couple of years ago when Indiana played at Penn State
and they intercept Drew Allard deep, they kick a field goal,

(21:09):
it's a tie game, and what do they do They
give up a long pass play for a touchdown on
the next possession. You know, that's that didn't that that
doesn't happen under Kurt Signetti and then this staff, they
this is this is a team that knows how to win.
They execute and they're not always perfect, nobody is, but
more times than not, they execute. They make the plays
when they need to make the plays, and they put

(21:31):
themselves in a position to win the game. And what
is he seventeen and two, eighteen and two, whatever it
is at Indiana. I mean it's just, you know, people
say what they want about who they played. They've they've
been phenomenal. And this staff and under his under his leadership,
has just been outstanding.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
There wasn't you know the other part of the offensi
performance Rananna is there wasn't any like star making performances
in this game. You know, Fana Mendoza was okay, twenty
to thirty one two hund and fifteen yards. You'd like
to have that pick six back Elijah Surratt was really
good in this game, but it's kind of what you'd
expect from him, especially because Oregon was so young in
the secondary. Like, I felt like Sarratt would have a
good day. Omar Cooper had that one hand to catch,

(22:09):
finished with seven catching fifty a year. But overall, this
was I felt like this was the most all hands
on deck effort for Indiana's offense that we've seen the season,
where all eleven guys on the field are are doing
what they're supposed to be doing and pulling in the
same direction. And I think Tyna all together, Matt, I
think this was the best game that Mike Shanahan has
called all season. You know, obviously the Illinois game was
they put up a lot of points in that game,

(22:30):
but Illinois Illinois defense was, you know, very very suspect
that game. But against this Oregon defense where Indiana kind
of had to be I wouldn't say that they had
to be perfect OFFENSI we didn't win this game, obviously,
obviously not because because they still want it, but for
Shanahan to it felt like he never got thrown off
his game. Shanahan like he kept calling what he felt

(22:52):
was right and he didn't let Oregon dictate the terms.
I felt against Iowa a little bit he did that.
But this game he really stuck to his guns. He
saw a lot of these you know, perimeter passes, these
quick passes out wide, sticking to the RPO game, not
letting sort of the run game, which was okay on
the day, not letting that bog down the offense. Like
I thought, Shanahan really really called a spectacular game.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah he did. He did a really good job. And
you know, you brought up both Mark Cooper. Obviously, the
one handed catch was fantastic, but I think what was
almost as impressive was he broke like three tackles and
got a first down on that play and then the
other one. You talked about getting Mendoza completion, the first
completion on that drive when it was twenty twenty after
the pick six, they ran himy up in the middle
of two years he had omar Cooper. It was just

(23:35):
like a little curl and it wasn't even to the sticks.
It was just a little curl. And he actually threw
that ball with some steam on it because Cooper had
kind of reached back a little bit. It wasn't a
bad throw, but it was a little bit like this
and it had some steam on it. He catches it,
he breaks a couple of tackles and gets the first
down and he I mean I think he got maybe
three or four yards after the catch was a nine
yard completion. So well, he might not have had a
huge day. He had some really really key receptions in

(23:59):
that game. But yeah, I thought I thought Mike Shanahan's
play calling was really really good. I'm you know, I'm
sure there's plays you'd like to have back. You have
those in every game, even in that Almoy game, there's
probably plays he wishes he had back. But against that defense,
and especially on that drive, you know when it was
twenty twenty and your quarterback just threw a pick, you know,
he didn't shy away from throwing the ball.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Mendoza still through the ball.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
They ran it well. Kaylon Black had a couple runs
on good runs on that on that drive. Obviously, Roman
Hemby has just been phenomenal. But yeah, I mean you've
got two guys. I mean, like Mike Shanahan is gonna
get overshadowed this year because if Brian Hans had probably
deservedly so, because Brian Hans has been so freaking good.
But Mike Shanahan is a guy that should also be

(24:41):
mentioned in the Broyles Award because of what he's done
with this offense. And you know, remember they had to
replace some guys in the old line. They had to
replace receivers, they had to replace, you know, their top
two running backs. They had replaced their tight end who
was all world for them last year. And I know
Mendoz's talented, but you still had to work with a
new quarterback. And they've been they it's been seamless. They

(25:02):
haven't missed a beat at all.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I want to talk about Roman Henby a little bit
more here as we as we go through this. I mean,
first of all, I cannot believe he hadn't scored a
touchdown up until this game. I well, I knew in
the back of my mind he hadn't, but just to
see it on the screen and see that he had
this was his first first touchdown in Indiana was a
bit jarring because of all he's done this season. But
you talk about a guy that probably feels really good

(25:26):
about his decision to leave his last school, because you know,
we've seen a lot of guys who leave and grass
ain't ain't always greener. I mean Roman Hemby would he
He's he looks like a different player to me from
what we've seen of him at Maryland because Indian have
played Maryland every single season in the past with when
Henby was there. He looks like a completely different player.
He plays with like a nastiness to him, sort of

(25:47):
a physicality. I feel like Kylon Black has sort of
rubbed off on him a little bit in that way
that he's he's, you know, welcoming contact. In that first
touchdown he had, he ran right through Dylan, thenem and
through the goal line. He has really come on strong
as as you know, we knew he would be a
speed guy, but the fact that he has added this
physicality element to his game, I mean he he is

(26:07):
as well rounded of a back as as Indianica of
hopeful when they got him out of the portal.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah and I and I asked coach Signetti about that
yesterday because maybe this is unfair, but a lot of
times when you're a speed guy, you know you kind
of the label is you don't you just want to
balance everything outside. You don't ever want to run in
between the tackles because you want to get outside and
try to.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Use your speed.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
And not only does he run in between the tackles
really well, it looks like he enjoys it.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Like it looks like he likes running guys over.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I mean, I mean he he he like you said,
he trucked theenam in on that touchdown and he's not
to other guys. And I had no idea. I mean
that's I had no idea he had not scored a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I didn't think he had scored a bunch, but I
thought at least in the first five games he had
one or two. But that's crazy to think he has.
He deserved to get a couple of touchdowns. But yeah,
I mean what coach Setti called mystery, he says a warrior.
I think that's a great a great description for for
Roman Hemby and what he's brought to this team. And
I mean, obviously we saw him in Maryland a little bit,
but you know, you don't really You watch him a
little bit, but you don't really focus on him. But

(27:04):
now that you've seen him and you hear him talk
when they whenever he's had a chance to talk to us,
I mean, he's just he's an impressive guy. He's a
really impressive guy. And I think, you know, I think
he's got there's a bunch of guys on this team
have a shot the next level. I think he's got
a real shot the next level because he gives you
some special teams value. He can catch him all the
backfield and you know, he can run inside, he can
run outside. But uh, what a what a huge pickup?

(27:27):
And like coach Signete di guess say not knock on
wood he stays healthy the rest of the year because
he's he's been terrific.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, yeah, Indiana is gonna miss him next season, especially
with how strong he's come on. And you hope, hopefully
this isn't the u his sort of peak. Now you
know he's he's only getting better, you hope the rest
of the season, all right, unless there's anything else offensively, Matt,
Let's let let I mean we're gonna spend the majority
of our time on defense here, because I mean, what
an effort here from Indiana's defense. Uh, going in this game,

(27:54):
I don't know, I don't know how you felt. I
felt like defense would win the day for either team,
and quite honest, the Organ's defense willn't bad either. But
Indiana's defense, like they they they talk about rising to
the moment, They rose to the moment. Absolutely everybody defensive line.
They set a tone early. Margo Landino. First play, Oregon
comes through on a sack, sets the tone there. And

(28:15):
then you know Aiden Fisher was was flying around or
Elijah Hardy flying around. Uh, you get the you get
the two picks from Isaiah Jones and and Litt Moore.
I mean, this defense, besides the one busted coverage, and
I really liked how they responded to that. This defense
was nearly flawless on the day.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I thought, yeah, they played great, And I mean I'm
just kind of looking at the stat sheet right now.
You know, Steven Daily, his only thing that he showed
up was that quarterback hurry, but he had that tip
ball that was that was a huge I mean, that
interception was enormous. Tyrek Tucker h only had one tackle,
but it felt like he was in the backfield the
entire day. Is that That's why I'm saying, sometimes stats

(28:54):
don't tell the whole story. Because Tyrek Tucker was fantastic
on Saturday. But I mean, I think we defense, You've
got to start with eight and Fisher, Jah Hardy and
Isaiah Jones. I mean, I mean we kind of knew,
we kind of expected some of this from Fisher and
Hardy obviously, but Isaiah Jones has just been such a
revelation this year for Indiana. I mean, he played some

(29:15):
last year, but man, is he been. He is like
and I think maybe you were the one who brought
up a few weeks ago, but he is Michael McFadden
like with how they use him and kind of how
he plays, and you you know, Mike would always get
real excited we make plays and you know what I mean,
Like not that they all, but like, Isaiah Jones just
reminds me so much of Mike of the way he plays.

(29:35):
And it's that's not a fair comparison to him, because
you know, Mike is such a good player, such a
great players in the NFL. But man, he has been
huge for this defense, and it's just I think it's
probably allowed them to maybe do some things differently than
they did last year, having three linebackers who can play
at such a high level.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, That's where I was going with this too, because
at this point, you can't I mean, you can't take
Isaiah Jones off the field. You also can't take a
Fisherald Field obviously, can't take Realijah Hardy off the field.
And it's really kind of I don't know if it's
I wouldn't say forced, but it's allowed Brian Hans to
play a lot more multiple this season. You're seeing a
lot less four down linemen and more three, three, five,

(30:14):
And that's where I think the pressure has kind of
ticked up a notch from where it was last year.
Was you have three linebackers on the field now that
you can toy around with the line them up at
different spots as opposed to sort of a base defense
with four down linemen. And you know, I think the
luxury of having that third linebacker there that's just as
effective as the other two gives Brian Hanes so many
more options to in different ways they can attack an offense.

(30:36):
In a game like this against Oregon, I think kind
of showed it that that this Indiana defense, like they
can beat you in so many different ways, and they
can do it at Oregon on the road. I mean,
I don't know, I don't know what offense is going
to stop this defense at this point.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, And I think maybe the other thing it does is,
I mean you're still using Devin Boykin as at fifty
be at times. I mean he's still getting a number
of snaps. And I mean, now you can be a
little bit I don't know different. You know, like you
come out on film, you have a defense. And I'm
not saying defense changes is a ton, but you have
a defense where you have three linebackers and then whenever
they take one of them out and put Boyko and
then you're just you're a little bit different. Different. Last

(31:12):
year they were pretty much a four two five, you know,
almost all the time. Not all the time, but the
majority of the time. So it just and you know,
and that we've seen Rolojah Hardy go out, you know,
like when teams have done like you know, trips, he
goes out and he's like, you know, and to me,
his job is to blow up the blocker. We've seen
him line up with them off the edge. We've seen
Isaiah Jones lineup off this. It's just you can be

(31:34):
It's just interesting how much more I think kind of
creative you can be because you've got this kind of
chess piece in Isaiah Jones two of them really and
and Hardy where you can kind of move them around
a little bit. So yeah, I mean, right now, I mean,
how much fun is Brian Haynes having. I mean he's
got to be having the front four, whoever they put
out there is doing their job. And then these linebackers

(31:55):
were just I mean thirty four tackles, three and a
half tackle or sacks and five and a half tackles
for loss.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
That's incredible from your linebacker group.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I mean, that's that was a special performance from those
three guys.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, I remember I tweeted that too on I think
it was something morning. But just like looking at those
three alone, it is extraordinary. And for as much love
as Brian Haynes gets for his play calling in his
you know, defensive mind, I don't think enough was made
about his development of linebackers because, yeah, Fisher and Hardy
weren't weren't even ranked as recruits. Hardy was like a
last minute like we'll take a flyer, a new type guy.

(32:33):
Jones was a guy they inherited probably you know, they
didn't think much of him at least to this capacity
that the huge he'd be able to make this kind
of impact and look at all three of them. There's
a legitimate case. Matt. I don't know if this has
ever happened, but Indiana might have three all Big Ten
linebackers this year. And I mean just just I mean,
I don't even know how how you can how you

(32:54):
can say any any of those three are left off
to all Big ten teams.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, I agree. I don't know thought where they'll fall,
but they all should at least get votes. I mean
they've they've been terrific. And obviously Aidan Fishers picked up
where he left out, and you made a great point.
I think he tweeted that out too. Brian Hayes, everybody
talks about him an coordinator, but he coaches a position too.
It's not like he's just coordinated defense. And these linebackers,
uh can all play. And obviously last year we saw
it with Jalen Walker too. He was terrific, and I

(33:21):
mean he's just this is he's an outstanding football coach.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
There's really no other way to put it.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Uh. The other thing too, with this defense I want
to talk about was the we we talked about resiliency
with offense defensively that I thought that shot play in
the first first quarter where Oregon went deep and hit
on that forty four yard I thought that was gonna
gonna be a real, real, uh, sort of inflection point
and to see how Indy of his defense would respond,
especially in the secondary. Uh, And for them to for
Mari Farrell, for Lewis Moore, for Boykin Pond's charm, for

(33:49):
them to really kind of plant their feet after that
and say, hey, we're not letting that up again, that
that was a one time thing. Uh. I think it
really shows how how in tune this defense is with
sort of what it's taught, what it's coach to do
in that next play mentality that we've talked about.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, and obviously that's the thing that's kind of been
the bugaboo for this defense this season has been, you know,
the kind of the breakdowns in the secondary. Coach Snetti's
talked about it multiple times. He even in the old
Onough game he said they had like four or five
egregious breakdowns, only one of them went for a touchdown
and it happened. It's it's gonna happen. But again, I
also thought this is gonna get fixed. This is something

(34:25):
that's fixable. It just comes down to getting reps together.
They had not had a ton of in game reps
these dbs together and the more they got, the better
I thought that would play. And they are. And even
though they had the breakdown, they got it short up
and there was no other breakdowns. I gotta guarantee it.
I mean, will Stein is an outstanding office the coordinator.
He's gonna be a head coach maybe next year. I
mean that guy is gonna be a head coach soon.

(34:47):
And I guarantee he was probably looking for another chance
to take a shot and it just wasn't there or
they weren't able to get it. So credit to those guys.
I mean, these are good players. Lewis moore Man, how
big is it that he's been eligible? Because he has
been He's been huge. He's had some moments where it's
been a little bit shaky, but overall, I think he's
one of their leading tacklers. He's leading the team with

(35:08):
the interceptions. He's been great. He's been an absolutely huge
pickup for Indiana. And and you know, Devin Boykin has
done a nice job at Mario Farrell this whole secondary
and then ponds again, Dangela Pons is just a stud.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I mean, the guy is just a really good football player.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So credit to those guys. Credit to Ola Adams and
coach Adams and coach Ojeong forgetting those guys ready.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Every week, someone's gonna pass. A lot of teams are
gonna pass on Dangelo Pons in this draft, and they're
gonna regret it because that kid plays a lot, a
lot bigger than than his uh his physical profile. He
had that he had a huge pass breakup. I think
it was like third and ten for for Oregon and
they ran just like a hitch route at the sticks
and ponds blew that up. I'm just super impressive there.

(35:50):
And I like what you mentioned too, Matt how Oregon's
you know, will Start Willstein's a really good offensive coordinator,
and he had no answers for Indian his defense. You know,
I thought it was gonna be it was gonna come
down to halftime adjustments for Oregon and Indiana, of course,
but I mean the whole game, you could see they
had no answer. They tried different things, didn't work, They
couldn't they couldn't even get into those sort of screen
passes that they really like to do because Indiana was

(36:11):
all over the screen, passes all game. I thought it
was super impressive that to the fact that you're able
to hold a high level coaching staff like to that
few of answers just speaks volumes of how good Indiana's
coaching staff is.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, and I'll go back. I've said this so many
times on you know, Kevin Wilson told me one time
when he was in Indiana, and Kevin Wilson is now, say,
an office of mine, you can have all the greatest
players in the world. If you can't block it, you
can't run it. And I think that that's what happened
to Oregon. They couldn't block it. They could not block Indiana.
So all the things that they might have wanted to
do or had in mind to do, you have to

(36:45):
throw that in the waste basket and you got to
try to figure something out, and they just there's nothing
they could They called for the most part, worked, especially
in the second half, because Indiana it just it almost
looked like Indiana had twelve guys on the field just
because they were there was always two or three guys
wherever the ball was or getting after and it's just
almost like they had extra players because they were pursuing.

(37:06):
I mean, you want to you want to put on
a clinic tape for a clinic for pursuing to the ball,
put on Indiana under Brian Haynes. Because these guys, they
there's almost always if there's not eleven hats around the ball,
there's close to it. They are fantastic and that's really
I mean, yeah, that's coaching, but that's just that's just
guys busting their butt. That's just effort. And these guys

(37:27):
play with a tremendous amount of effort. They're well coached.
The scheme is fantastic, and they executed at an incredibly
high level.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
So not only Matt was it the gang tackling the
in the swarming to the ball. This is one of
my keys going to this game was Indiana's open field
tackling had to be really, really good in this game.
And there was a couple of times when Oregon was
able to shake loose. But I think on the day
they only had like three explosive plays and one of
them was a run I was a running play, and
I think another one was you know, towards end of
the game win when the game was already out of

(37:57):
hand uh. Indiana's tackling in this game. And and maybe
you might have noted this in your PFF story, that
doesn't get enough credit because you know, these guys, there's
so many opportunities where Oregon's playmakers could have could have
shaken loose for for bigger games that they didn't. And
that speaks a lot to how how fundamentally sound this
Indiana defense is. And and you know lost in the

(38:17):
shuffle of the sacks and the TFLs and this and that,
like this is just such a fundamentally s soupl football
team that that doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes
when it comes to to bring guys down when they
have a chance.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, I thought I said something
about maybe I did, but I think this was one
of the This might have been like their third highest
graded and you know when you take it's third, but
against this kind of team, it was. It was impressive.
And the thing that really stood out when I looked
at the PFF grades, I want to say three of
the four top tacklers or four something like that are
worth towards the top for DBS. When they caught the ball,

(38:51):
they went down like, there wasn't really any broken tackles
that I remember against Indiana secondary. The secondary did a
really good job of tackling. Their coverage grades are really
good too, Indiana did. Indiana did, uh, you know, great
in coverage and not the not the backtrack, but just
I pulled out the PFFF story to go back on
Rulersia Hardy he was top to an overall defensive grade,

(39:12):
run defensive grade, pass defensive grade, and past rus grade.
This is arguably the best game he's ever played Indiana.
That's a small small sample size, he's only been Indiana
a year and a half, but like he was incredible
in this game. But to get back to the DB's, yeah,
they did. They did a really good job they Yeah,
I mean D'Angelo Ponce tackling with seventy nine point eight,
Boykin seventy eight point zero, Jamori Shart seventy seven points there.

(39:34):
If you're if you're pushing eighty in PFF grades, that's
that's like almost that's high level. Hardy of course led
the way with his technicalgarity was eighty five point one,
which is just extraordinary. Uh, that's phenomenal. You're basically not
missing anything, but Yeah, they not only did they cover well,
but if they did catch the ball, they didn't get
in the yards afterwards, which to me was a concern

(39:55):
because Oregon's you know, with that speed, if you miss
a tackle, you take a bad I mean, it's gonna
be bad news. And they they didn't do that. They
took good angles. I mean they like coach today said,
they spit out a few runs, but those were more
up the middle where they just kind of blasted up
the middle and they got some runs they didn't really hurt.
I don't remember them hurting Indiana all that much on

(40:16):
the perimeter with their speed and and you know, I'm
sure that was something that was a focus for Haynes
and that defensive staff, and they did a good job
of containing them.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah. I mean that's been one of the Oregon's Brenn
and Butter's for a couple of years now under will
Stein is those screen passes and sort of letting the
perimeter play mariers go to work. And Indiana was blowing
up those screens pretty much every time. It was super
impressive to see. Uh the other component mant of the
defense and this this kind of drew the ire of
Churt Signetti. After the game, he mentioned, you know, all
these players laying on the ground for Indiana. Kellen Wyatt

(40:46):
went down for a couple of plays. You saw, I
think Kamara went down for a couple of plays. Jamari
Sharp went down for a play. And after that, after
Sharp went down, you could see Signetti as like cut
a commercial. He was like yelling at Sharp. He's like,
you got, you gotta be better than that. You gotta
stay on the field because you got Obviously he has
to come out for for a play there because he
had to be helped off the field. I thought that

(41:07):
was that. That was, you know, one of those little
moments where you could see signetty kind of he doesn't
lower the standards at all, you know, and if he
feels like a guy is able to play, uh, and
clearly those guys all return to the game. He wants
that team, he wants this team to be as tough
as possible, and and little even little things like that
like going down for a play, you gotta be Kurtzinetti

(41:28):
wants to want him to be better than that, and
and uh, you know this is this is a prime
example of it.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's there's a standard. I mean,
there there's a there's a level that you're expected to
perform at, and you know if you don't, you're gonna
get called out on it. And and I mean, this
is this is the way the way it is at
big time programs. This is the way it is.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I mean, I guarantee you.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
You know, if he didn't, I'm sure you had a
stand but that's something you learned under saving. I mean,
there is a there is a standard, there's a level,
there's an expectation, and if you're out on that field,
you expect to play to that level. Now, guys make mistakes,
sometimes things don't go your way, but you're supposed to
be out there and playing at a certain level all
the time. And this team does, and and you know,

(42:10):
you know it's almost Signetti has just created a culture
where I mean, you're gonna really stand out if you
don't play at a certain level. Like it's I mean,
and and and I hate to call it, but on
any AD teams in the past, guys could take plays off.
And I'm not saying but you you could because the
standard maybe wasn't there. You could maybe not go hard
all the time, but you maybe not would would be
is if you if you do that, now, you are

(42:31):
going to be exposed. You're gonna stick out like a
sore thumb. And uh. It starts at the top and
I again filters down through the coaches to the players,
and let's give credit to the to the older guys, Coogan, Fisher, Surrat.
You know, these guys are leading this team, and you know,
the coaches can only do so much.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
The players have to police themselves.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
And there's no doubt in this locker room that the
older guys on this team are keeping the younger guys,
you know, in line.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
All right, A couple a couple of small notes here,
Matt that I'll let you, uh have your say before
we go to special teams. I thought it was interesting
that win. It was either Kamara, I think it was
Kamara when yeah, when he went down, Uh, Andrew Turvy
the walk on was the one who came in backup
for him. You know. It wasn't Quentin Clark, it wasn't
in Duke Way, it was Turvy. I thought that was

(43:21):
really interesting, especially in a game like this. And then
also Byron Baldwin, he misses a sixth straight game. You
have the bye week. You know, we we thought, you know,
maybe he might have a chance to come back, you know,
with the with the extended rest. At this point, I
don't know what to do with him because he's missed
half the season at this point. But anything on those
two small notes or anything else he had on defense.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, I guess I kind of missed that Turvy went
in there for Kamara that so that's on me. But
that was interesting. I mean yeah, I mean I've said
all along, I wouldn't try to I wouldn't be looking
pursuing the red shirt for Baldwin. But now to the
point where I mean, I guess you could still play him.
But and again I'm not sure he stays five years
at a school, but who knows, you know, you never know.

(44:06):
But yeah, it's to the point where now you just wonder,
even if even if they don't want to re shirt him,
is he gonna I mean, we have no idea what
the thing, what the injury is, and they're not gonna
tell us. I know, people ask why the secrecy, Well,
the secrecy is because they don't want people to know,
and they're not gonna tell us. I have no idea
what his injury is, but obviously it's pretty serious or
he's missed so much time they're not comfortably even get

(44:28):
given him some snaps.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I to me, we're getting close to the point where
playing him doesn't I mean, it almost doesn't mean I
want to say it doesn't make sense. But you just
kind of wonder how how worthwhile it would be other
than just to get him some experience playing college football.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, quite honest. I haven't even seen him like on
the on the field like pregame. Really yeah, I don't.
We don't even know what part of his body is injured.
We don't even know anything about that. So very curious,
curious situation there. Okay Man special teams, you know, I've
done my report card after every game. I continue to
give him a's or a pluses. This was an A

(45:07):
plus plus plus plus game from from Grant Caynes unit,
who knew that Indian had a kicker capable of making
fifty eight yard or not once but twice because he
almost knocked off the ref's head as he tried to
come in for that time out whistle. The fact that
the fact that you have two kickers that you are
able to send out there in are confident that can
make kicks from any level of the field distance. What

(45:30):
a luxury to have. And I mean Brandon Frankie, I've
said this all season. I think he is one of,
if not the most underrated transfer pickups this season, this offseason.
I mean this game, he was massive, and I don't
think anybody thought he would be doing you know, this
kind of stuff where he's making fifty eight yards and
just killing every single kickoff.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, I mean we've seen it, obviously seen his life
strength on kickoffs. But kicking off and kicking field goals
are two different things. One, you're setting the ball up
on a tee. There's no pass rush. You can go back.
I however many yards you go back and get kind
of like a running start. With field goals, obviously, you
don't have that much time. You can't you can't take
forever get to kick the ball. And you know he
the first one he made it was it was a

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little bit close there to the that second one he
drilled right through the middle. And you know a lot
of times when you'll see it at a lot of
times in the NFL games, they'll call time out right
as the guy's getting ready to kick right before it,
and then it'll come back and the guy are you know,
will miss the second one. And he went back there
and kicked an even better ball. So he's been huge.
And I've said it this year, those kickoffs are such
a big deal. I know a lot of teams don't
run him back, but you're basically like you don't have

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any chance to get any kind of like you know,
the hidden yardage or the extra yardage on kick returns
when he's kicked.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I mean, he has been spectacular.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I mean it's almost like almost every single ball has
been a touchback. And again I said earlier that those
three points were huge, and uh, you know, fifty eight
yard er, that's that's a monster kick. That's that's NFL level.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, I remember, you remember, I can't remember. It was
game Warner game to remember they Indiana sent Frankie out
like at happened like right before halftime, and it was
I think maybe like a fifty seven or if it's
a six yard he missed it right.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah. Yeah, it was right off the crossbar and that
was into a little bit of a wind. There was
some wind in that game. And I think if that
if that was sterile conditions. I think that ball he
also that ball. I mean, you know, he looks like
I'm not a kicking expert, but he got under it
just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
But I you know, you could tell he's got the leg.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I mean he that the kick, the second kick on
Saturday would have been good from sixty plus. It had
room to spare. So but yeah, it's obvious that they're
going with him. I would guess anything, probably more than
fifty yards because I think Radishchick's gone up to I
want to say, high forties this year. I can't remember
the exactly when to say. Forty eight might be his long.
I could have that. I could be off on that,
but it looks like anything about fifty yards is gonna

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be Brendan Frankie.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, I mean we when any had brought him in
for the portal, we didn't think he was going to
be kicking kicking field goals much. And man, his he
made a difference. And it was funny because one of
my friends, we're all Chicago Bears fans. It's like this
kid that doesn't kick field goals is a better leg
than the Bears kicker, which is which what I mean.
It was huge Randiana just to put up those three

(48:09):
points at halftime and then elsewhere too. Man, I mean
there were I think there was. I don't know if
you remember this one play Oregon was punting the ball.
They did sort of a rugby style punt where the
punter ran out, looked like he was gonna try to
take off, but Indiana special scenion is right, was all over.
The covered Union was all over to stop the run
if he tried the fake, and then you know he
was forced to sort of a rugby style punted away.

(48:31):
You I mean, you just talk about total buying from
the special teams unit. It was I've said it all season.
This is the unsung hero of the team this year,
the special teams unit. They have been dialed in every
single game. And you know Kurtyna, he always talks about edges.
The special teams unit has given them an edge in
every single game this season.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah. I remember that play because I remember watching it
and he ran out and I thought he was gonna
I thought he was gonna run, and I want to
say it was Isaiah Jones who was coming towards him,
and if he.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Was, he wasn't gonna make it.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Jones was gonna get him, and he literally got the
ball like a couple of yards for Jones got to him.
But that, yeah, that was an interesting play. I I mean,
if you watch it, he's almost tucking the ball and
then he sees Jones coming and then he goes to punt.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I think that was a replay for him.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I think they told him, hey, rollout, if it's open,
run it and if it's not, punt the ball, and
because I think he was going to and then Jones
recognized it, thank God for Indiana, and came sprinting at
him and would have had him, he would have made
the tackle. He wasn't gonna make that. But if Jones
just for a second turns his head or isn't isn't
aware of what's going on, that would I mean, because
it was wide open after Jones, there was nobody there

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that was wide open down the sideline. He wouldn't have scored,
but he would have got obviously a first down in
a pretty sizable game.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
So yeah, special teams have been awesome. I mean they've
been so good.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Uh, McCarthy had a tough punt. I want to say
he was punting from his end zone. He had to
do basically one of those one step punts, which is
and it wasn't the best. He's probably his best punt,
but he got it down to midfield.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
It wasn't one of.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Those ones where they were starting at like Indiana's thirty five.
So all all these units have been great rades. Sick
you know, hit a couple of field goals. I mean,
he's been absolute nails on everything. So it's just again,
this is what in the league football team looks like.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
You're good in all areas.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
You're not always perfect, but more times than not, you execute,
and you and you you do your job and you
come out on top.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
So last thing I want to say about this game
before we move on, Matt you can you can have
your piece two with this game. The fact that it
almost felt like Dan Lanning sort of he didn't lay
down for Indiana, but he it felt like Indiana got
to him because he's a guy that you know, he's
he's sort of the Dan Campbell of college football, where
he's he's willing to gamble on these fourth downs and
especially as the game of war on. You know, there

(50:43):
was like fourth and two, fourth and three where he
settled for field goals in Oregon ultimately missed a field
goal too, which was huge. It sort of felt like
Indiana threw Dan Lanning off his own game and that
that just doesn't happen. And that's maybe what I'm most
impressed about. Was was Indiana continuously, you know, they they
were not gonna let Oregon dictate how this game went.
They dictated themselves. And and for for a coach as

(51:05):
confident as Landing, and you know, he is a huge ego,
I mean, I think that's pretty obvious. And for him
to sort of give into what Indiana wanted was I mean,
that was maybe the most impressive part, especially at home
too for for Oregon.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah, and I listen, I'm a Dan Landing fan.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I think he's an outstanding coach, and I think he's
good for college troutball. I know last year there was
some talk after the season, Uh, people whispered to maybe
he you know, NFL teams rans I hope he.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Stays at Oregon for a long time.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
And I say that even though I know it'll be
it makes it hard on everybody else in the Big Ten.
But I think college football needs more guys like Dan Lanning.
I think he's I think he's great for the game,
but he's also still even though he's been that, he's
still a young coach and he's still a young head coach.
And I think the experience of Kurt signetty kind of
and and and what he's and I know you can say, well,

(51:54):
Today's been the type P four. Look, Today's been a
head coach for a long time. And you know this
UF you're doing at the lower levels, it translates up
to here as far as in game adjustments, in game calls,
what you're doing, and all that kind of stuff. And
I think the experience of Signetti really shown through all
the all the all the different things he's gone through
in his coaching career. I think I think he I mean,

(52:16):
let's be honest, I think Indiana's staff out coached Oregon
staff in this game. On paper. Organ. You know, you
can say, but Organ is the more talented team if
you go by the ratings and for what those are worth.
But Indiana's staff, I thought they're playing was better. I
thought they they got their kids to execute better, and
I thought they made better adjustments throughout the game. And
that's not taking it. Organ has got an outstanding staff,

(52:37):
and they're gonna win a lot of games, and they're
probably gonna make the playoff because they're really good. But
I thought on this day, I thought, you know, uh,
Indiana's staff really took it to him.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
All right, let's move ahead here, Matt. Of course, there's
a homecoming game against Michigan, say, which we can touch
on a little bit at the very end of this.
But the big news coming out of Sunday, besides the
beating Oregon, was Penn State firing James Franklin, second Big
ten coach to be fired this season, probably not the
only big the last Big ten coach I will get fired.
But of course it's has spurred a lot of Curtsignetti rhetoric,

(53:12):
and you know it is Pence taking to make a
run of him. Here's what I say. And I think
I think we're both in agreeents that Kurzignetti is not
going anywhere. But I think Penn State would be foolish
to not to not throw the kitchen sink at Kurseignetti
and try to try to learn him away and make
him say no a million times. I think they I
think they would be malepractice. Honestly, if they didn't try
to make Kurzignetti say no as many times as possible.

(53:34):
But I don't think Kristine is going anywhere. It's a
different era of college football. Penn State is probably not
the blue blood that they think that they that they
think they are. And for all this you know, handwringing
about you know, uh, Indiana's resources versus Penn State's resources,
this and that, I think Kurtzgnetti is happy in Indiana.
And this is my opinion, but I think he he

(53:55):
has he you know, this Indiana job means a lot
to him because they were the only one that gave
the first one. They gave him a chance and and
you know his his you know, he he's shown it.
He has a chance to win a national championship here
and why would he go anywhere else? And I think
he kind of relishes in the ability to shove it
in everybody else's face that that had a chance to
hire him and never did.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah, I mean a couple of thoughts on this, Uh
ten years ago, even five years ago. Penn State is
clearly a better job, and there's still some things about
it that probably make it better than Indiana. But the
portal and the rev share have changed everything or a
lot of things. Indiana gainst the same amount of revshare
now obviously there's nil, but nils even changing going forward,

(54:37):
there's gonna be a clearing house. You're gonna have to
you have to go through some checks and guardrails and
all that kind of stuff. But teams you really want
to spend on nil are gonna spend on nil, you know.
So I don't I don't know that there's such a
gap anymore. And I'm not just talking about Indiana. If
you get the right guy at like in Illinois, you know,
on Michigan State, uh, some of these other places that

(54:57):
you kind of considered peer schools to Indiana, you know,
if you get the right guy, you could you could
you could get on a run and you could do
some big things because the portal has leveled things. I mean,
you have to I said this to Can. You just
have to get four and five stars to recruit classes
and have a roster litterard with those kind of guys
to make the playoff and the playoffs four teams. But

(55:18):
still even in the twelve team playoff, you look at
the teams that are usually up there and they're the
teams that get all the best high school recruits. The
portals change that Indiana's getting five star recruits now they're
just not rated that way. Elijah Surad I says for
Aiden Fisher, D'Angelo Ponds, butcall Kamara. We can go on
and I'm not gonna name them.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
All, but we know who they are.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
So I don't know that there's such a gap anymore
between them Penn State and Indiana. Now tradition, yeah, there's
a gap. They're stadiums, you know, bigger and all that
kind of stuff. Yeah, I mean the fan support overall, Yeah,
they're they're better there, But I mean in the areas
that kids care about now, you know, and a lot
of it is money. Indiana it can compete with about anybody,

(55:57):
or they're close to it. So the other thing I
hear is, well, it's easier to win a national title
Indiana or at Penn State. Well if it's so easy
to win a national title Penn State, why do they
just fire their coach for not winning national title? He's
been there eleven years. So how Indiana Indiana was basically
you know, Penn State went farther last year in the
playoff but let's be honest, Penn State had a little
bit easier road than Indiana did. And that's not to

(56:19):
take an thing away from Penn State, but they they
you know, Indiana had to play the number two team
that finished number two team in the country, Notre Dame,
at their place. I don't think it's easier to win
a national title necessarily at a Penn State that is
in Indiana. I just I think the gap has shrunk considerably.
Here's the other thing. Penn State's gonna want to have
a coach hired, probably December first, right after the season ends. Indiana,

(56:43):
barring something completely unforeseen, is gonna go. In my opinion're
going twelve and oh. I don't see where they lose
the rest of the year. I don't. I thought Penn
State could be a loss, but now they've they've completely
fallen apart, they lost the lar. I don't see that
they're gonna be playing twelve to zero, probably playing in
the Big Ten Championship against I would guess Ohio State,
and then you're gonna go in the playoff.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
There's no way. So it was Penn State. Are they
willing to.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Wait until possibly after January first? Mid you know what
I mean, before they even I don't. I don't think
so even if they were willing to wait, I think
they'd be waiting for nothing. I don't think Christunetti's going anywhere.
I've said that all along. I know people on the
board think it's it's because he's from Pennsylvania. So what
there's no other connection like that? That to me is

(57:26):
fans in the paranoid of Indiana football fans. And I
get it. They've been beat down for years and years
and years. But there's no connection here other than he's
from Pennsylvania. There's a lot of guys from Pennsylvania. I mean,
why aren't we looking at other coaches? I mean, I
get it, he's winning a ton and if I'm Pat Kraft,
I'm making that phone call. And I and I know Pat.
He was a man, he was a linebacker. We don't speak,

(57:47):
and I don't know what his plans are, so I'm
not trying to say that. But Pat's an aggressive guy.
He was a linebacker when I was a manager. We
were good friends in college. I don't talk to him
that much anymore because obviously we got our own things
going on. But he'll be aggressive and Pat's a smart guy.
He'll make that call to whoever represents Kurt Signetti to
see Gage's interest. My guess he's gonna get a quick No,
I don't think he's going anywhere. My guess is Scott

(58:10):
Dolson's probably already preparing another upgrade to his to his
contract and to his resources. That I'm not saying, I'm
hearing that. That's just Scott Dolson's done that the last
couple of years. He's he's been very proactive in wrapping
up Signetti in this staff. I don't I I so long.
I think kurtz sded retires Indiana. I think they build
a statue for him because I think he's gonna do

(58:30):
things that what he already has, but he's gonna do
even more of the things that he's a that has
never been done in Indiana. And that's my opinion. Maybe
I'll be wrong. I just don't see it. I think
this is his final stop. He said that publicly. He
said on the McAfee show, because McAfee was kind of
chiging him about taking He's like, no, this is it
for me, this is my last stop. I don't I
don't think he wants to go anywhere unless he feels
like he can't get things done Indiana, and obviously that's

(58:52):
not the case. They're giving him everything he needs to
build a huge winner.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah, a couple of things, and this is kind of
hanging out a little bit of what you But first
of all, Indian, you will get a statue built of
you at Indiana. You won't get a statue built of
you at Penn State, even if you go there and
win a national championship. Second of all the Pennsylvania ties
Kurtzing that he played at West Virginia, who was West
Virginia's biggest rival, it is Penn State. He's a Pittsburgh

(59:17):
guy who is Pittsburgh's biggest rival. It is Penn State.
I believe his father coached at Pittsburgh. So so all
these ties just because he was born in Pennsylvania, I
hold very very little stock in And once again, I think,
you know, we've seen it this. This athletic department is
a new era for inn An football where they're committed
to giving him the resources, everything he needs. So I

(59:37):
think all this talk about him going to Penn State.
I could go on and on about the reasons. I
don't think it's gonna happen. But those are those are
some of the biggest ones. And you know, as Rabbi said,
I would fall out of my chair if if he
if he left Indiana at any points before he decigns
to call it quits on his career. And this this
is another question too for you, Matt. You don't pay
fifty million dollars to fire somebody unless you have somebody

(59:59):
in mind. And maybe maybe Christinatis who they have in mind.
I don't think they're gonna get him. But who do
you even get if you're Penn State? Because I know
the hot the hot name is Matt Rule. But what
is Matt Rule? That is, since he went to he's
done nothing in Nebraska. I mean, are you really gonna
fire a guy who just went to the College Playoffs
semifinal to go get a guy that won seven games
at his best his best season was seven wins in Nebraska?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yeah? And and I mean yeah, I think that Rule
is a quality coach. I'm not I don't want to
say he's not an upgrade over James Franklin. I'm just
not sure how much of an upgrade. I mean, is
is he that much of an upgrade that it was
worth you know, dropping fifty million dollars to go get him,
but Pat hired him at Temple. They're very good friends.

(01:00:40):
But see, to me, that could also be a negative
because you know, like, think about one of your really
good friends. If you're an ad and he was a
good football coach, if you hire him, if it doesn't
go bad, you gotta fire your buddy. That's tough to do.
That's really really hard to do. But at the same time,
if you believe in him, you know, to me, we
were talking about this, you know, I see them looking

(01:01:00):
at like Matt Campbell, and I know people are like, well,
he's been but I always state it's really hard. It's a
tough job. It's a really tough job. Another guy that
I think I would look out for him as delight.
We mentioned Eli drake Witz at Missouri. I mean, we're
we're kind of getting of the off the track here,
but we're throwing names out there. But yeah, I mean,
when you do this, you have to have somebody in mind.
And he's you know, I would assume that he's probably

(01:01:23):
at least I'm sure he's obviously got a relationship with
Matt Reel's agent because he hired him at Temple. I'm
assuming he's got the same age and he's had this
whole time, so you've probably got an idea. Matt Rule
did not in any way shoot down him going to
Penn State. Now he didn't come out, but I mean
he's like, I love it here. I mean, and these guys,
what can they say if you say If you say
that you're not leaving and you leave, you look bad.

(01:01:44):
If you if you act like you could be interested,
you look bad. There's nothing a coach can say. I
feel bad, honestly, I feel bad for coaches of these
situations because there's nothing you can say that's gonna if
you end up leaving, that's gonna be okay. So right now,
gun into my head. I think it'll be Matt Ruhle.
I think he made this. I think Pat, in my opinion,
made this move knowing that he probably had a good,
pretty good chance get him. I've seen Marcus Freeman's name

(01:02:04):
thrown out, you know, I mean, I think, yeah, I mean,
don't you think Notre Dame is an easier path to
the playoff than if you go to Penn State Because
you're not you're you're you're not really in a conference,
and the teams you do play, you're playing the ACC.
The ACC is not that great, so you know, and
it's Notre Dame. I mean, you have your own freaking
TV network, So uh yeah, I don't I don't see

(01:02:26):
that happening unless he just wants to go somewhere else,
and I don't know, but yeah, I'm with you. If
you're making this move, if you're Pat Kraft, you're not
just doing it by the seat of your pants. You've
been thinking about this for a little while. My guess
is they've probably been thinking about it even before this
year because they're there their failure to win big games.
But then I'm guessing that UCLA game was probably when

(01:02:48):
you know what I mean, like it was pretty much
that with the decision has probably been made, and then
with Northwestern you have I mean, I'm just surprised at
the timing, But then again, I'm not Schools aren't gonna
wait anymore till the end of the season to fire guys.
It's gonna happen before the end of this season, so
you can get started on the search.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Last thing I'll say on this too, and not to
labor this. I know there's people as like, why why
didn't you guys ask and that he yesterday at the
press conference about his interest in the First of all,
we're not I mean, we're just not. We're not gonna
be the ones asking that question. There's six games left
in the season, uh, and you want to you want
to know how to get on a coach is bad side.
It's by asking dumb questions like that with six games

(01:03:23):
left uh in the season. So maybe if an ESPN
guy or some national reporter wants to come through and
ask any that question, then I mean he can, they
can be our guest. But we're not gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
If we get a report that there's been contact between
Penn State and you're not going to contact today but
people who represent him, then it's probably a fair time
to But I'm not gonna go on. Listen, when I
do a hot board and I list twenty coaches, I
don't know if he is gonna be having interest in
those guys. These guys who are doing hot boards are
just throwing out names. This is total speculation. And even

(01:03:55):
if they hear that Penn State is interested, of course
Inter said, hey, I'm I'm interested in Dayton you know
some soup. Uh, Victoria's secret modelf I wasn't married, doesn't
mean she's gonna go out with me. I mean, like,
just because they're interested doesn't mean something's going on. If
there's like some kind of like somewhat concrete, then it's
a fair question. But I'm not going to go into
a press conference and say, oh, yeah, the ESPN guy

(01:04:16):
said you'd be a good candidate for Penn State. What
do you think? I mean, I'm sorry, it's a stupid question.
I'm not gonna ask it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
No, It's it's especially this that at this point the season,
when Indiana has everything to play for, Like that's the
least of churts Igntti's worries right now. Is answering that question.
I'd imagine you're probably not gonna get a great answer
either from him. So it's it's it's a moot point
right now. Okay, Matt, last thing, because this is this
podcast has been up pretty long now, and we'll have
more preview content of the Michigan State game this Saturday,

(01:04:43):
but I feel like it's kind of on the back
burner right now with everything else going on with Indiana. Uh,
the Hoosiers are ninety six point four percent chance to win.
According to ESPN's FPI. They're like, uh, they open as
a twenty three point favorite. The spread is now up
to twenty seven and a half points for Indiana, basically
a four touchdown favorite, which in the history of the

(01:05:04):
old Old Brass Patoon, Like, I mean, I'm I don't
even know if Indiana has ever come close to that
kind of spread in favor of them. I mean, I
think I think both of us are are thinking this
is going to be a pretty sizable win. Michigan State there,
they haven't won a conference game yet. Aid and Childs,
their quarterback, has looked pretty inconsistent, just as he was

(01:05:25):
last year. He might even have a cushion, I think
coming out of this past weekend, so we'll see his status.
I mean, do you have any do you have any
linger any thoughts on this, Matt other than Indiana should
win this pretty pretty handily. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I mean, this one of those games where you kind
of worry where it could be a trap game because
it's coming off. You know, you can't you just flew
to the West coast.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
You just played a tough game, an emotional game that
everybody was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Talking about and then you gotta come back and play
team against because I think they've lost three in a
row and the last one they got their doors blown
off at home by U C.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
L A.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
But I just you know, we saw Kurtineddi was very
oh how do you say it? I mean, he was
really emphasized stuff yesterday. The way he spoke it was
a little bit different than normal. And I think this
team will be ready to play. I think they will
come out. I'm not saying it'll be an Illinois score,
but I'll go ahead and give you my prediction. Now,

(01:06:15):
I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm gonna say forty
nine to ten. I think I think this is gonna
be I think it's gonna be a curb stomping.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
That was the same score was the last season forty No,
I believe they won forty seven to ten. Right yeah, yeah, yeah,
so right, so right around there. So I'm looking at
ESPN's sp plus rankings, Michigan State is seventieth in the
nation with the sixty fifth ranked offense seventy seventh ranked defense,
which that kind of defense against any of his offense
at home could be could be a little worried some

(01:06:42):
for the Spartans there. Yeah, I mean you talk about
trap games. I just don't think Kurtz and man, he's
gonna allow Indiana to fall into traps like this like
they're they're just too well coached to have those kind
of lapses. And I guess a team like Michigan State,
You're really gonna have to dig yourself a deep hole
for them to to pull off an upset. So I'm
right there with you. I think Indiana the twenty eight

(01:07:03):
point spread seems a little steep, especially in a game
like this, But I mean, then again, Indiana beat Illinoist fifty,
so yeah, I mean, I guess anything on the table there,
I kind of like where you you're at. I don't
know if Indiana quite scores that many points. Although this
Michigan State defense is not great. I'll go Indiana forty
two Michigan State. I'll go forty to to ten. Indiana covers,

(01:07:30):
and then we will ultimately see last question you were
at before we get out of here, and I don't
want to look too far ahead. What is Indiana's What
is the hardest game on the schedule left for Indiana
this year?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
You know, obviously you would have said two or three weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Ago, Penn say, I really think the hardest game remaining
is at Maryland. And I just say that. I mean
Maryland does not have like an intimidating atmosphere, at least
not the times I've been there. But they usually have athletes,
and Mike Cloxley isn't an offensive guy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
My guess is they're gonna have some wrinkles up there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Leave they've got. I think they're playing that true freshman quarterback,
and I apologize I can't think of his name, but
he was like a highly rated guys. He's talented. Like
I said, they're gonna have speed, you know. And they've
got a couple of freshmen. One of them is a
guy Indiana tried hard for. That's one of the top
SAT guys in the Big Ten, Sydney Stewart. He's a
freshman Indiana. Really he made an official visit. They went
after him hard. I think he's a true Federal either

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that a redshirt freshman. He's a young guy. I think
they have another young guy who's right right up there.
So they got some guys that have shown the ability
to get pressure. So that to me is the toughest game.
It's on the road, you know, like I said, it's
not gonna be like going to Oregon or Ohio State
or somebody like that. But that, to me is probably
their toughest game. I just know. Other than that, I mean, Ucla,
I get is playing better, but you know, they're they're

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they're whatever they're putting on film. By the time they
play Indiana, you know they're gonna have a good idea
what they're doing. They've obviously changed some things on both
sides of the ball. So Wisconsin, that's a train wreck
that there could be a third Big Ten coach who's
done after this year. During the season, I mean, they
may not win another game. You know, Purdue is improved,
there's no doubt about it. But I still think Indiana
is sizeably, considerably better than them. So to me, it's

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Maryland after that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Maybe I guess at Penn State because you're playing at
Penn State and they still got players, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
They don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, they don't have a quarter but they still have
some good players. They got NFL guys on that defense,
so that's something you gotta worried about but I think
I think the Maryland game is tougher because they because
their their offense, in my opinion is I mean, unless
something changes, that should be better than Penn State's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of agree that. I'm kind of
leaning that way that that Maryland road he is probably
but I mean, you're you're at the point now where
twelve and zero is certainly on the table for Indiana,
and and that's obviously a really, really really good place
to be at the midway point in the season. Okay,
Indiana is six and oho overall, three and oh in
Big ten play the Hoo's just go on the road

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with a huge, huge win, arguably the most important win
in Indiana football history, thirty to twenty over Oregon at
Austin Stadium. Just so much more come the fallout of
this game, the magnitude of this game, and we'll have
all of it over on peaks dot com a bit
of a longer podcast today, but I feel like this game,
this game certainly deserved it. He's Matt Weaver. Jerry Kelly
will have much more to come on pegs dot com

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leading into the Michigan State homecoming week. Uh, and we
will see folks over on the site