FINAL DESTINATION BLOODLINES

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Let me tell you something about marriage, people.
It's a. Trap.

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Hello everyone and welcome to the pod and the Pendulum.
We are the horror podcast that covers all of the franchises,
one movie and one episode at a time.
And right now we're taking a little detour as we kind of head
in between franchises here because we had a gap like with
we covered Final Destination, think like 2020 or 2021.

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And since then there's been a new entry with Final Destination
Bloodlines. We thought what better time than
to add to the Canon and talk about this phenom like it's
crossed over 250 million worldwide.
It's a big hit. We could use the clicks.
So it is time to talk Bloodlines.
I am not alone. I'm joined by a trio of Co hosts

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today. Up first, it's been a little bit
from the Disenfranchised podcast.
Mr. Steven Chewy Walrus. Steven, how are we?
Doing great, Mike, thank you so much for having me.
It's it's I, I just hope I can make it through this without
something shorting out and or getting impaled really.
Yeah, if we see things start falling behind you in like a
mug's trap sort of way, we will try our best to warn you.

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Thank you. I appreciate that.
Also joining us this week celebrating the upcoming Last
week of School from Bloody Disgusting Manor Vellum and the
soon to be released of religiousthemed or religious horror theme
podcast, I believe Holy Terrors.That's Brian Kiper.
How are we? Great to be back.

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Always like to talk Death's design with y'all.
Yep. Also on board joining at the
very last second, which I gotta say is a bold move when you're
doing a Final Destination movie like Things Can Happen from the
Tainted Love podcast, Inspector Cinema Club, Mr. Devon Taylor.
Devon, what's up? Hello.

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Hello. Yeah, I don't know what
happened. I got out of bed and then I
slipped on a on a Hot Wheels, which then led me into my
closet. And then I bounced off of the
hangers and then my headphone wires wrapped around my throat.
And then it was, I guess I was, I guess I was, I was like, all
right, I guess I'm potting today.
All right, and we're in well before we give our initial

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So. If like, we would have done it
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Hey, Mike, there's got to be, there's got to be somebody with
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About Wes Wes Anderson has a 4K box set coming out and I'm among

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cinephiles. I'm like, and I'm, you know,
like with some exceptions, like it's like white male 40
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They said tap me in for. A second Devon is now at the
point where my take on trailers he's like, if you listen to our
Wishmaster 4 episode, you'll getthat.

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All right, folks. We're we're the heist team
that's about to take out the themastermind is is really what's
going on with the pod now. But we all get along.
It was just like, it tickled me.I'm like, yeah, of course.
Let's just like why? Why try just part of the
pendulum? Why try Coming to AT Shirt our

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initial thoughts on bloodlines. Steven, we haven't heard from
you in quite a while, so why don't you jump in?
Yeah, thank. I I saw this movie with my
partner just a couple weeks ago.We just decided to make a day of
it and go see a movie and we decided on bloodlines.
That was the one we agreed on. And God, that movie was so much
fun. I had I it has everything that I

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love about the franchise in at the elaborate Rube Goldberg
death scenes and you know, the the the the fake out endings,
like all the all the all the hallmarks are there.
But then they kind of ratchet and amp up so much of the
tension in really fun and interesting ways and play with
the form and create really retroactively A deeper lore for

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the entire franchise that is really fun and really engaging.
And I particularly that opening,that opening scene is just
absolutely breathtaking. Such an incredible piece of, of
achievement. Yeah, no, I had a lot of fun
with it. And as soon as I finished it,
I'm like, I, I think this might be my favorite one in the

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franchise. Not to to spoil anything, but I
think this takes the number one spot away from Final Destination
5 for me. OK, how?
How much of a fan of the series as a whole are you?
I'm very middling on, on most ofthe series.
Honestly. I, I think the highest rated one
prior to this was like 3. So like, I, I like them, I think

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they're fun. They're like we were talking
about before and about our rankings and what they mean.
Like 3 is a, is a good movie. I think the worst one with a
bullet is #4AD Final Destination.
That one's just unforgivable. But the other?
All the other ones I have a goodtime with.
Yeah, Elizabeth, Mary Winstead is doing some work in Part 3,
like she's doing the shoulder work out.

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She's working the traps because like she is carrying Part 3 on
her back. Like she is doing some work.
Brian, how about yourself? Well, I saw this with my son
that opening weekend and he thisis one of his favorite
franchises and I like it a lot. I always had a lot of fun with

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it. I knew he would too, which is
why I suggested it back in the day.
But we left the theater and it'slike, I think that's the best 1.
And I was like, I don't know if it's my favorite, but it's up
there. It's a lot of fun.
I love that death is a real Dickin this one.
I mean, just they this movie really understands that all of

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this is supposed to be funny. I I think that's one of the
things I really liked about it'slike everything sets up.
It's almost like a Marx Brothersroutine.
And then you know a piano falls on someone and it and you laugh
and you can't help but laugh you.
Applaud. Yeah.
Versus a piece of shit. Exactly.

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And so I think that this one, I liked it so much as I've been as
far as comic horror goes. I mean, this sort of shot way
up. And I also love a movie that
takes place in fake Seattle. A lot of movies take place in
fake Seattle lately. Megan takes place in fake
Seattle, Malignant, all kinds ofmovies.

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If you actually live in Seattle,you know it's not Seattle, but
you know, hard eyes. Oh my gosh, that one.
Well, it's like we. Hard eyes took me out of it
because it was so definitely notSeattle.
If you go to the. Canadian Seattle.
That's. Why?
Well, there were palm trees. So it was like either Australian
or LA Seattle. So there are no palm trees

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around here guys, sorry. The myth has been shattered.
Yeah, sorry, the airport sequence in in Hard Eyes was was
hilarious to me. But anyway, so I I do love the
sort of fake Space Needle thing at the beginning.
It's a lot of fun. And that's I mean that rivals
too for one of the best openingsAs for my money at least.

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Yeah, Devon, how about yourself?Yeah, I'm a big fan of this
franchise. I'll save, you know, some of my
overall franchise thoughts for next week's episode, obviously,
but what I'll say is, is is so fascinating.
That took so long for another one to be made because I mean,
everybody's been talking about like, Oh my God, this one's so
profitable. They're all profitable.

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Like this entire like not a single one is not made money.
So it's like they've all made like really good margins back
and like again, like it's it. The premise is so clean cut that
it's like they can literally do these movies forever.
Like and, and like, like it's one of those if once the
formula, once you got it and it didn't, like, if it ain't broke,

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don't fix it. Like it is one of those things
that like I'm, I'm a like, I know it's like we we talk about
cliches and tropes and stuff. I'm like, hey, look, if the, if
the formula's good, keep it going.
Like I'm I'm, I'm in, I'll, I'llkeep doing it, you know.
And so that's kind of how I feelabout these movies.
And I was very excited for this entry.

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It did, I think just the the long wait, my initial reaction,
I was a little bit underwhelmed by it.
I've softened a bit, but I'll still say it's in the lower half
of my ranking list as of now 'cause it's, I don't know, it's
like it does some really, for every really good thing this

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movie does, it does something that really frustrates or annoys
me. So it's like kind of just like
I, I was having like a little bit of whiplash the whole time I
was watching 'cause I was like, OK, we have a few like really
good classic set pieces like using the tension and some of
the kills and things like that, like the BBQ scene.
We get like, you know, classic moments like that.
But then we also get, I don't know, just a very uninteresting

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protagonist and very wonky pacing for the film as well, you
know, So I don't know, I I I like this one, but I definitely
don't love it as at least not asmuch as I was hoping for.
But then again, I was like, lookat my scores for the rest of the
series, and I don't rank them particularly high.
But yet I still consider this one of my favorite franchises as

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well, just because of, again, like, I know exactly what I'm
going to get. And this certainly is a Final
Destination movie. Like, I definitely can't say
it's not. So yeah, I think there's some
interesting ideas in here. I think there's some really
annoying, boring stuff in this movie as well.
But hey, it, it, it is at the end of the day, a Final

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Destination movie. And I'm happy that it's back.
And hopefully again we get a, you know, Final Destination
movie every two years for the next decade.
That'd be nice. This should go 10.
You know, like if any series is gonna make it to 10, this movie
should. I think Devon and I are gonna
mostly agree because a lot of the things you were saying,
they're like the pacing, some ofthe wonky things they do and

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like it Dings it a bit, AlthoughI think I'm a bit more forgiving
overall. Like if it's not at the top of
my rankings, which I don't thinkit is, like it's near like I
really enjoyed this. And I think part of it was just
like seeing it in a pack theaterin like 4 DI masks, like
actually doing that and just like the size and scope and then
sitting with an audience or everybody all at once seemed to

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go, oh, this is the tone we're going for.
And then everybody being in agreement and going for that
ride, like definitely helped out.
I like love this franchise. Like I've said this when we were
covering the first five movies. She can go back in through the
archives and listen to that. I think this is the best

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franchise of the early odds likethat 2000 to 2010.
It is the best, most consistent franchise.
I know that, you know, I'm in the minority and I think most
folks would say Saw and I have agreater appreciation for that
series after covering it. But to me, Final Destinations is
like the Five Guys burger of a horror movie franchise.

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Like it's, you know what you're going to get.
It's so consistent across the board.
Like even the worst one in the series is still watchable and
has like a really fun opening so.
For me, these are particularly just more rewatchable than Saw.
I mean, I could marathon these. I tried to marathon saw because

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I was a little behind and I wanted to catch up with you
guys. I got to three and I was just
like, I was feeling sick to my stomach and I was just like, I
can't. The all the green and light just
made me want to queue after a while.
Sorry, Ariel, I love you. You're saying all these things
like they're bad things, Brian, Like the Green don't want.
Each I, that's what I'm here for.

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I know I, I and The thing is my life is saw six right now
because my wife is going throughthis situation where we're,
where we're dealing with an insurance company and you know,
there's like court battles and stuff going on.
So I'm just like, you know, I feel like watching Saw six every

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day right now, but the but if I'm going to have a good time
with an early odds horror series, it's it's got to be
final destination. Yeah, I did start, like after
watching this a second time in the theater over Memorial Day
weekend. Like I rewatched the first 3.
So I just 'cause we're going to rank, do a rankings episode next

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week. So I'm like, all right, I want
to rewatch the whole series and I just have to get to 4 and five
again. Like for the most part, like I
definitely enjoyed this. And there are some things like
the pacing is weird. Like it points, it feels very
rushed. Like the we'll talk about like 1
scene in particular where I'm like, is the film playing at the
right speed 'cause it. Yeah, it's like.

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Speed up in some ways like. They're it's like it.
Rushed through so much exposition.
It really takes its time with like the opening set piece and
then there's like 25 minutes of just like kind of nothing
happening. And then we get like a string of
like set pieces. And then then it's like slows
down again for the finale. And then it's like, wait, what?
What, what, what are we kind of doing here?

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But, but, but I totally agree what you guys were saying
though, like, 'cause yeah, certain things you can binge and
it like, you know, gets to you alittle bit.
I'm in the works of a meme rightnow from what Brian was talking
about and some references earlier in this episode.
But I I did the the five final destination movies in a day for

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my birthday a few years ago. I like subjected like a few of
my friends, like what are we doing for your birthday?
I'm like, I'm like, oh ho ho. I was like, be ready bright and
early. We're watching all of them
today. And it was a it was a fantastic
time. Like you can literally watch.
You can. Yeah, it's a it's a really great
marathon for sure. But yeah, I don't know, you

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know, can we start with the bloodlines subtitle 'cause I
feel like that's very important.I.
Have a little bit yeah, well let's I have a little bit of the
background overall so maybe we. Think Oh yeah, we do do that.
I forgot. We don't have a shot because
this is like so new, like I don't have a ton.
And I'll piggyback off like whatDevon said to start in that like

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the series have been doormat since 2011 with part five kind
of closing the loop on the franchise.
Like if you've seen part 5, you kind of know what we're saying
there. And like Devon said, it was like
so profitable. Like adding up the 1st 5 movies,
they made about 680 million worldwide.
None of them cost more than 40 million to make.

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So you had anywhere from like 23to 40 million.
So everything is like a three tofive times multiplier.
And on top of that, I remember this series being huge on DVD
like New Line Cinema. Oh.
Yes, Oh my God, like I know 'cause they can.
Bundle them again every time a new film came out.

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Yeah, yeah. The triple feature.
The quadruple feature. I have it as AI have the first
four on a Blu-ray set where it'sliterally you just stack them on
top of one another. So I'm sure they won't work for
too long. But like I just remember like
watching the first one on Blu-ray They would like new line
would like everything was treated like a criterion or

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scream factory disc like specialedition back then.
Like new line just packed everything with special features
so. You know, 680 million in
theaters and probably double that across like home video
sales. So after Part 5, Tony Todd's
like, hey, we're probably going to do 2 more.
They're going to be filmed back-to-back.

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And then you Fast forward eight years later, nothing has
happened. And now New Line is like shaking
out the couch cushions. Like what franchises do we have?
Like if we just make 37 more Hobbit movies, Like what is
Peter Jackson? The fact that New Line hasn't
been what if we do Final Destination, but with hobbits

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that that hasn't happened yet. Like I'm a little bit.
I would watch that. There was talk at one point of
doing a Final Destination movie set in medieval times, like
doing like their Army of Darkness.
And they were really hyped to do.
And I think Jeffrey Reddick and Craig Perry had like great ideas

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for it. And then when they crunch the
numbers, they're like, this would cost way more than we ever
would do on a Final Destination movie.
Like it would triple the budget to make it like period accurate
and correct. But Oh my God I would watch it
in a heartbeat. Well, I think one thing this
movie does really well, not to jump into movie discussion too

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early, is gives us the opportunity for prequel films
within the Final Destination universe 'cause this thing, the
opening set piece, takes place in the 60s.
Like we could put these things seventies, 80s, early 90s. 70s.
Is it 70s? Looks like just when you think
of the characters ages. 1968. Really.
OK, my bad. OK.

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So, I mean, but we could, we could do a disco era Final
Destination movie. We could do.
'Cause it works so well for Beetlejuice.
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
I'm not a fan of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice just to.
Give Steven you dream your dream.
Don't let Brian take away your dreams.
And don't let me and Ari take away your dreams.

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I appreciate. That so well, I people they
wanted to bring we mentioned sawfinal destination wanted to
bring on like Patrick Melkin Melton and Marcus Dunstan.
The duo, like, behind, like Saw 3456, like the writing team

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behind those movies, like the folks that made it very lore
heavy and, you know, responsiblefor some of the most successful
entries in the franchise. And the idea was like, they were
going to slightly reimagine things their entry was going to
be centered on, like paramedics,EMTs, first responders.

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And I think Craig Perry said in an interview like, well, the
idea is like, these people, like, have tremendous sway over
who lives and who dies. Like they're making decisions
right on the fly, like. Give me that.
Yeah, so this idea of like, how would that muck with death a
little bit, like choosing who gets to live and die.
So, like, it wouldn't be unrecognizable, but it'd be a

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little different. And when it came to the opening
set piece, like Craig Perry said, like you'll just you'll
never look at like one of those revolving doors the same way
again, which I think there's been a few times in this
franchise, like Part 2 jumps to mind.
There's a little tease here. And this one where the revolving
door is like hinted at. I've never felt danger going

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through like a revolving. Door Me neither, but I've seen
other people freak out over themtoo.
I I have seen that before and I'm like, what are you?
What's your deal? My wife cannot ride down an
escalator. She will not.
Ride down. I used to be terrified of
escalators when? I was.
My partner has an escalator thing as well.
Yeah. OK, so it's not uncommon, but

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she will not will not do it. So yeah, it's but the revolving
door we can do. Well, COVID puts the kibosh on,
you know, doing the movie from 2019-2020.
And like Jeffrey Reddick, the series creator, like he's
promoting his directing debut Don't Look Back and talking

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about like why Final Destinationwasn't going forward.
And he's like very frank. He's like, we can't do them on a
Blumhouse scale. Like we're not crazy expensive,
but you can't do like the singleset piece, small cast small, you
know, like we have like these big opening action set pieces.
So you know, we need to have a lot of people on set in order to

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do that. And obviously 2020-2021, that
wasn't going to happen. And honestly, like I applaud the
restraint in that, you know, like rather than like, you know,
being like, no, we can make it work for 8 million.
It's like, no, you can't make. This work for 8 million or you
just like we'll go somewhere with no COVID restrictions and
you have like final destination the documentary when 40 people

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died or came down with significant health problems on
this onset. Kind of doing a Rube Goldberg
esque bounce from person to person.
You just would see like coughingparticles floating through the
air. All the set pieces are on a
microscopic level. Somewhat on Blue Ski is so mad

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at making jokes about this, right?
Now. They're actually, I mean, this
is a little bit off the subject,but have you ever heard of the
movie The Conqueror with John Wayne as Genghis Khan?
Well. Oh my God, no.
They they yeah, it's it's generally considered one of the
worst movies ever made. But here's what happened.

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They they, they the worst part of it all as real life, they
shipped all this irradiated sandfrom like the testing site where
the original atom bomb had been tested and they moved it.

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And like so many people, including John Wayne, got cancer
and died working on that movie that it's like there's a there's
actually a recent documentary about it, but I've.
Watched the documentary. Yeah, yeah, that's, oh, that's I
have no intention of ever watching the actual movie, but

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I. When you think your movie's bad,
Oh, no one. Killed its cast.
It killed its cast and crew, Yeah.
So yeah, they 'cause they've needed the sets to match, so
they brought in this sand from from the Nevada desert.
Sure. Yeah, sure, why not?

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Anyway, why? Not so it happens.
Crazy, crazy shit happens in Hollywood all the time.
That's that's what we would callnot good.
That's a big. Oopsie.
That's a big oopsie. Yeah, well.
For sure Not An Oopsie was bringing on producer John Watts.
Like he directed the last three Spider Man films, which at the

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time, like his big thing was he'd done 500 Days of Summer, a
little ROM com, like a little early 2000s ROM com.
Then he would go on to like hugeacclaim or in box office, you
know, victories with like the three Spider Man films.
So he has a pitch for a story. I think he drops out of like the

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storytelling process pretty quick, but he stays on as a
producer. The script is then penned by
Laurie Evans Taylor and Guy Buseik, who one of the the
creative partners along with Radio Silence.
Like they had scripted Ready or Not, Scream 5, Scream 6.
So they had already, you know, kind of had their hands in how

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do we like reboot these franchises in a way that doesn't
necessarily get rid of everything that had come before
it as well. Zach Lipinski and Adam Stein are
brought on to direct. Like they had like done a pitch
over Zoom where they actually set up their own elaborate like
Rube Goldberg esque pranks and got like the got the directing

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gig based off of like their passion and their ability to
just kind of be goofy. Like, all right, these are the
right guys for it. They get the tone, they get what
they're going for. They've been like indie
directors. They had done stuff with
Tribeca, like they were up and comers.
They really had not done a lot of like films, to be quite
honest. Like probably the biggest credit

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to their names was like Co directing like Kim Possible for
the Disney Channel. The live acting wild.
Yeah, which is kind of wild withyou go from that to this.
But they were like, I think Carrie Fisher like was really
singing Adam Stein's like praises like he had done like a
a reality competition for film makers where she's like, his

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stuff is far and away better than anyone else as he's so
creative. So, you know, it was basically
just let's match these guys withthe right opportunity and like,
we'll they'll they'll succeed. So only other real notes I have.
This was supposed to go straightto streaming.
It was not supposed to be a theatrical.

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I'll throw it out to you guys. Like, how do these executives
keep their jobs? Will they make decisions like
this? Hard, hard telling honestly, it
I I think the best decision theymade was not doing that.
And I think, you know, looking at things like Prey and things

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that they did release to streaming that probably would
have done much better. And then things like Alien
Romulus, which gets released in theaters after.
I think that was supposed to be a streaming only, a straight to
streaming release as well. That one does significantly
better than they would have had.Like I people want to go see
movies in theaters, just put if it's a good movie, put the damn
thing in the theater. God.

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Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, this would
have been a bummer to go to go straight to streaming because,
you know, again, like so much ofthe, you know, fun of this is
like, you know, watching those like, you know, big set pieces
with a crowd. You know, like, I 'cause I think
this is like one of the few franchises.
I think I've seen all of them intheaters and and you know, and

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so like, yeah, it, it just wouldn't again, because of
especially when these like big set pieces have like the scale
to them and everything, like, you know, just like kind of
wouldn't be the same. Like especially this one.
Like, you know, if they, if thisfilm, like, you know, with this
sky needle set piece, it's like wouldn't quite feel as big, you
know, in your living room or, you know, on your laptop.

(30:55):
I'm trying to think of any horror movies that were
originally going to go straight to streaming that got released
in theaters that have failed. Do you know what I mean?
Like I'm thinking about and the closest I can come is maybe the
first Omen, which was supposed to go like straight to Hulu,

(31:17):
which is a great movie, but it just like didn't light the box
office on fire. Like it didn't fail, but it
wasn't like a massive hit. And I think that might be in
part because like it came out like, you know, right after
Immaculate did. So you kind of have that like
Dante's Peak, like slash volcanotype situation where you are

(31:39):
Armageddon in Deep Impact. Like you have like similar
movies and the one that comes out first is going to be the one
that does better. But when you look at the track
record, like Evil Dead Rises smile to now this one, like
there's at least like a half dozen horror movies that were
supposed to go straight to streaming that not only were

(32:01):
like successful, but were massive successes.
And especially when you have something like, you know, we
just talked about the box officeeverything does like three to
four to five times its budget back.
Like what is the I don't get thewhole you can only watch it
streaming here. If anything you put it in
theaters and then say now only streaming on HBO Max.

(32:22):
I really don't understand Netflix's insistence on not
releasing movies theatrically. I mean, it's like they just hate
money as I mean they they released like the Knives Out two
in theaters for like a week. Right.
And it was successful, it was very successful in that week.

(32:44):
And they could have made and, you know, it's, it's not
sustainable, this model where you are reliant on continually
having more subscribers. So it does.
It just doesn't make any sense to me that they refuse to
release physical media and they refuse to release theatrically.
Exactly because you can only like once you've maxed out your

(33:06):
subscriber base, you can only like nickel and dime people for
so long and be like well we'll just charge like an extra 3
bucks every nine months we'll raise eventually people are
going to tap out on it just. You know what I'm I'm, I'm going
to call it now. My theory in about I'd say we
got maybe 2 years before this breaks.

(33:27):
Netflix hasn't been ran by a person for years.
It's been a computer this whole time.
Like they, they, like, I don't think they're, I don't think
there's been a human being behind like, you know, like,
because like, what is there, youknow, strategy they give, you
know? Oh, yeah.
Here, let's give the Russo brothers $300 million again.

(33:47):
It's like, like, you know, who comes up with these decisions?
Not a person, that's who. Yeah.
You have like Ted Sarandoff saying the idea of people
leaving their homes to watch movies in a dark room with other
people as outdated. Like, did people don't want to
do that anymore? It's like, well, wouldn't you
put it like that? Yeah, but they're trying to like

(34:08):
counter program now against big movie release dates.
Like you see, I think the Stranger Things last season,
like the way they're going to release movies is it's going to
be like, I think maybe labor, like Halloween or Labor Day
week, but then Christmas week, like two major weekends on the
movie going calendar where they're going to start saying

(34:30):
here are heavy hitter shows, youknow, like Stranger Things now
stare starring like Gen. X, They're now Gen.
X. They're so fucking old beefing.
Beefing with theaters is so funny.
Like, yeah, while those while those weirdos are sitting in
that creepy auditorium, we'll bewith you on the couch.
And it's like, yeah, Netflix. Sure.

(34:50):
Yeah, it just seems like a crimeto me that movies from people
like Scorsese, and I mean, I know he's not.
He's only did the one movie withNetflix, but and Linklater and
David Fincher are not getting theatrical releases.
And you know, there's, there's like, and then there's the

(35:11):
Frankenstein issue. Is Guillermo del Toro's
Frankenstein going to have a theatrical release?
People are clamoring for it, including del Toro, but who
knows? If they want I'm.
Sorry, you go first, Steve. No, I was just going to say if
you want the, I mean that feels in, in terms of release poised

(35:32):
for an Academy Awards run. And if that's the case, you have
to at least have a qualifying run in LA and New York.
Well. Netflix has a theater in LA, but
I mean, that is limited to people that live in LA, you
know, so people like Devon who are lucky enough to be there can
maybe check out some of those things.
But you know, that's a good portion of your movie movie

(35:56):
going population that are not going to be able to see this
movie theatrically in any form, you know, or even have the
opportunity to. And, you know, and I think it
was just bizarre to me that a movie that was so successful in
2019, like Knives Out, its sequel, is essentially relegated
almost entirely to streaming. And its second sequel, like Will

(36:20):
You, will be too. Which is a big ass bummer.
Yeah. And if you're a filmmaker, like
some of them, like I don't thinkDavid Fincher cares so much as
long as he gets to make movies. I don't think Linklater seems
pretty happy. Like as long as he gets to make
movies and that's fine. He doesn't.
Seem. He doesn't seem too fussed.
But if you're like Adele Toro and you're all about the

(36:44):
theatrical experience, you kind of have to know what you're
getting in bed with, like when you sign the deal.
Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not like, you know,
it's not like Netflix is pullinga bait and switch, right?
It's. True.
You know, you know what they're all about when they're getting
in the deal. And unless you have like
ironclad assurances, I will get 4 weeks 2500 or more screens.

(37:09):
You know the only, I think it's like a very nebulous language,
which is like we will do our best to get your movies in as
many theaters as possible. What is their best?
Like that's a very nebulous, nonconcrete way to put it.
Well, at least we didn't have toworry about that here because
this one did make it to many theaters.
Yeah, it did. And it's made 200 and. 50

(37:31):
million Netflix ran. Sorry.
It is. That's all right.
And thus concludes our business border.
And concludes Our Old Man Yells at Cloud section of the podcast.
Well, let's talk this movie and I'll throw it out to you guys
'cause I've said a mouthful, butthis opening set piece of on the
on the Space Needle, where does it rate for you guys?

(37:53):
Like on its own, but also like within the sixth film.
I mean, I think this one, as faras where I would put it in my
openings, it's, it's somewhere in the middle.
I think this one is interesting in a in a way that it's it's
different that this one. This one is a little bit more

(38:16):
drawn out than some of the otherones are like some of the other
ones. Like we might get like a little
like brief bit like of setting up some of the characters.
Like I just rewatched 3 and three also does this like they
spend a good like 10 minutes like, you know, with the
characters before like the actual like roller coaster piece
happens. And so this one kind of is in

(38:36):
that camp versus like something like four or two.
They just like it just kind of happens.
And so I like that this one kindof has a good amount of a build
up it's playing on. I like when the franchise, you
know, makes specific things to like either call out like myths
or certain fears, you know, so it's like, obviously this plays

(38:59):
on fear, on heights. I like the little bit of where
it's like plays on the myth. That's like if you drop a penny
from the Empire State Building, it could kill somebody down at
the beginning. I like how that's how it kind of
plays in Speaking of which, I had a volleyball game the other
day and I was about to serve andlike I went to like do like my
like serve routine. I like look down while like

(39:20):
dribbling the ball. And there was a penny there.
And I was like, I like put the ball down.
I was like, I like took the penny, took it all the way, like
off to the side of the court. And I was like, sorry, guys, I
just saved everybody's lives. You're welcome.
And went back on. So, so like the little
references to the penny like that, like myth setting up.

(39:41):
I, you know, I'm from Saint Louis where the arch happens and
it's a very often that you'll take like the little like tram
up to the top of the arch. Those things breakdown all the
time. You get stuck in the arch
halfway up. Sometimes it's whatever you're
chill about it, Like, and when you're in the arch, you can
literally feel it swaying. Like it's kind of fucking it's,

(40:03):
it's pretty freaky. But yet somehow we trust this
thing, you know, so it's like a so I got a little bit of that.
So yeah, it it plays on all the little things.
And like, again, we kind of see,you know, OK, is it going to be
a a a technical snafu with the band?
Is it going to be this see through dance floor?
Is it going to be, you know, something on the roof of the

(40:26):
like at the top of the needle? You know, so nice little setup.
And I think it it's it's fun. We we haven't gotten a musical
number in a final destination series, even though music is
like very important because theydo like the recurring song
motif, which we do get in this film later.
But we get a musical number in this and that's the first for
the franchise. So overall, I like I I dig this

(40:49):
opening 1. I think it's very exciting as
some of the deaths during it aren't as exciting, but I think
the build up to the the actual catastrophe is really fun.
The deaths within the catastrophe don't exactly do it
for me. Pour one out for the bellhop
because he was the most dedicated.

(41:09):
Of the. Operator, yeah.
The pressure, that guy, he was trying his best.
What about? What about you other guys?
I think this is probably my second favorite set up after the
after Part 2. I think 2 is just the log truck
in this the highway. I mean, that's that's really
hard to beat. It's so iconic.

(41:31):
Yeah. And it's, I mean, and again, you
know, growing up in the Northwest, having been in the
Space Needle several times in mylife, there's a certain amount
of nostalgia. And one of the things that's
funny is like right after this movie came out, you know, they

(41:52):
unveiled the new elevator systemin the Space Needle.
And so it's like this double Decker thing that I will
probably never go on in my life after seeing this movie.
It's I don't even know how it's like it's, it's 2 levels of an
elevator. So they can take more people up
at once. And yeah, it's like a glass

(42:14):
elevator. That doesn't sound good at all,
no. It doesn't, especially that it
happened, you know, right after this movie came out.
And so did they find a way to tap into the marketing?
I, I they should have. And just be like, this won't be
us, we promise. There's just like, and there was

(42:35):
brilliant marketing for this movie that they had going on.
I mean like the, the, the dead bodies, you know, the fake dead
bodies hanging from the Billboard sign putting up the,
the poster, you know, and the, the log trucks and everything.
I, I just thought that was all great.

(42:55):
But as far as the opening sequences go, this is such a
lot. It's so much fun and really I
think it sets up the the humor of this one, which the other
ones are funny, but at times too, but this one really goes

(43:17):
really deeply understands that this is kind of silly and
supposed to be fun. And it works for me in just, I
mean, it's sort of like the bestsequences of the monkey kind of
ran that way for me too this year where it it's just like the

(43:38):
the punchline is just perfectly placed.
It's again I felt like Marx Brothers routines.
Yeah, I re watching Part 1, I was struck by how serious that
entry takes itself, especially when you compare it like to the
once you get to Part 2, like allbets are off, you know.

(43:59):
And I think one of the things that one of the underrepresented
reasons why Part 2 is, is so iconic, that opening is when you
get Witchmaster 3's AJ Cook leading the charge, then of
course, you're just in for an iconic time at the cinemas.
Fans of our Witchmaster series, we'll know.
Steven, what were your thoughts on on this opening?

(44:22):
God I loved it so much. Like one of my favorite
hallmarks of this franchise is the slow build and the constant
misdirects along the way. And so you're at any point
you're just like, well, is that The thing is that The thing is
that the thing? And I find that build up to
often be in many cases to kind of kind of reflect on Devon's

(44:44):
point more satisfying than the actual kills themselves is like
figuring out how we're going to get there.
The kills to me are almost secondary to the elaborate
tapestry that we're weaving to get us to that point.
And so this just executes that so spectacularly.
Although there are a few deaths within that opening scene that

(45:05):
really just chef's kiss perfection, like the guy who
gets stuck half in the elevator,half out when it when it goes.
And so he just gets like cut like bilaterally right down the
middle or the the piano droppingon that fucking heel kid.
Like I mean, has there my, my crowd like erupted into like

(45:28):
applause at that because everyone, I, I love that
everyone was on board with everylike rude with the kid.
My kid that were kid. Fuck that kid so hard Oh my
gosh. As everyone knows, we are team
fuck those kids. But in terms of like shonky kids
in a sweater, that kid is way upthere with like, he deserved to

(45:51):
die. He's he's up there with like
Stillwell Angel from like leagueof their own and just in terms
of like shitty children. He's like a young, better
dressed Nelson Muntz from The Simpsons.
Pretty much how I would, I thinkhe.
Grew up to be Francis from Pee Wee's Big.
Adventure. Oh my God, that's perfect.

(46:12):
See. Which which I gotta say though,
this is also in line with the franchise cause the franchise is
also always been fuck them kids.Because I mean like, like if
you're gonna go with the philosophy of like death comes
for all, it comes for everyone. Like you have to include
children that like, that's why I'm always that way when it just
comes to films in general is like, well, it's like, that's

(46:32):
what happens in real life. Everybody's on the chopping
board. So it's like, you know, 'cause
whether it be that that BBQ killat the end of two, I think is a
is a really funny one. Oh, that my son.
After he saw that he he would talk about exploding barbecues
for weeks. I.
Mean well think about the opening scene in Part 1 when

(46:53):
they're boarding the plane and there's a bunch of babies crying
and they're like they're like it'd have to be a really fucked
up God to like kill the plane now and then the next thing you
see is like a disabled person like someone who's like really
struggling and they're like a really fucked up God and the
next thing you know like planes blowing up you know so yeah

(47:16):
you're right like this is alwayshad that mean streak to it.
I am with you, Steven. And that like I really love like
how I mean, it's like a 20 minute set piece and especially
again, rewatching Part 1, it's almost like blinking.
You miss it and it's over. This one really takes its time,
like right from the music cues at the outset where it's like

(47:38):
credences bad moon rising and you pay attention to the lyrics
like that. Don't go out tonight.
It's bound to take you're like, all right, chef's kiss.
You go from that to like Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire.
So we're adding we're adding to the mix now and all the I I do
appreciate like Iris's paranoia and you know, it's one of the

(48:00):
hallmarks of the series as you take these like very innocuous
things that occur in daily life all the time and and you have a
character absolutely like grasping at straws to like freak
out over it. So I do appreciate that here,
just like the little thing, justlike filming the elevator going

(48:24):
up and you have that like point of view shot of like how far off
the ground they are, like looking through the glass floor.
I'll say that like when the destruction starts, the sequence
is dinged a bit by some really obvious like green screen work.
Like, I don't, I don't always catch that stuff.

(48:47):
Like and it was obvious even to me how much they were working
against a green screen. So it it's actually been kind of
funny because that was definitely like, I remember when
me and Garrett came out, that was like one of the first things
that we had noted like as far asthe film in general is like,
this is a little bit more CGI than we're kind of used to in a

(49:07):
Final Destination movie. 4 is pretty CGI heavy, but the rest
of the series, like especially three and five do a really good
job of blending the two. But like, it's not that there's
no CGI, but they blend it reallywell with the practical.
And in a lot of shots, it doesn't work in this one.
And I've seen that be a criticism for a lot of people.
And ever since the the Final Destination, like social media

(49:30):
pages and directors keep postingthe practical effects to be
like, see, look how much we did.It's like, yeah, we know you did
some, but like you didn't blend it in with the digital stuff
that you're doing very well. The stuff that you did do
doesn't always look great. Yeah, So they, they've been kind
of doing this like backwards, like no, no, see, we, we did do

(49:52):
practical. It's like, no, we know you did,
but like, yeah, we also know what else you did on that too.
One thing that is different about this opening set piece
compared to some of the others is this is the first time we
don't see like we see the we seewhat happens, but we don't see
the the like rewind of like whatactually happens of them saving

(50:14):
everybody. We don't see that until a little
bit later in the film. I thought that was AI mean.
I thought it was interesting, but I remember being like, oh
wait, like that's not how this usually goes, because again,
you're we just kind of know thisformula.
Here's. Why I like that?
I like that because it gives thefamily like plausible
deniability against Iris, right,Because Iris like saves

(50:36):
everybody, like everybody that was there lives because she, you
know, is basically like it's people, you're eating people and
Soylent green and everybody leaves.
So later on the family's like, well, maybe she just noticed the
glass breaking on the floor and she saved everyone.
It wasn't a big like death premonition.
That's crazy talk where if she if like a bunch of people had

(50:59):
died, you'd almost have to like kind of like maybe kind of sort
of it with her. So I did like that because
you're I didn't really catch on till later, like you said, when
they kind of show things from her point of view.
Oh, no one died in this. Like everybody actually lives.
Like that was a lot different. Yeah, yeah, cuz I mean it.

(51:23):
And it also helps us avoid cuz II hate in some I think they
really only do it in the first two movies where it's like cops
are suspicious of the person that had the premonition and
then it's like damn. And it's like I we I'm glad we
ditched that subplot in most of the films.
And yeah, so we don't have to worry about that here in this
one. But it was definitely a little

(51:44):
switch up where it's like, oh, and then we like cut out to
current day and it's our main character kind of having the the
dream and everything. So back to what I was saying
earlier, Bloodlines is, is this is this the, the, the best
bloodlines subtitled sequel thatwe've gotten?
Because, as we discussed in The Wrong Turn Ones, this subtitle

(52:07):
does not have a good track record.
Well bloodlines is part 6IN wrong turn correct?
5. Five O That's right it.
Should have been 6. That's right.
That's we discussed 5. Yeah, that's right, 6 is last
resort. Pour one out for Papa Roach
which won't make it to the board.

(52:28):
Yeah, you're right. And that is one of the worst
movie that made me want to not only quit podcasting but quit
life. So definitely this is better.
OK. Don't say that too loud.
Your microphone might start sparking from from us.
Through that. That's what.
Inside what? What was that?
So we have this ahead of. Teetering wildly behind you.

(52:50):
We have this ahead of wrong Turn5.
What else do we have? Like what are the other
contenders? Hellraiser Bloodlines.
Haven't seen it, I'm guessing this is better.
Than Hellraiser. 4 yes. Yeah, but this is better than
Hellraiser 4. But I think there's a lot of
people that would push back on that.

(53:10):
I know there's a lot of, there'sa lot of Hellraiser Bloodlines
fans and I don't. See that?
I don't get it. I don't get it.
Get it? A lot of people vote Republican
too, so. You make a country.
Also true is also true. There's a tremors one.
This is definitely bad. This is definitely better than
Tremors 5 I've. Never seen a Tremors movie.

(53:32):
Neither of them I've only seen I've seen the 1st 2 you.
Haven't seen the original. One, put it on the wheel.
No. Oh.
Goodness, that's a. The first the first one.
The first one is really solid. I I I watched it for the first
time for Movies for Life a few years ago.
The The franchise goes from Kevin Bacon as your protagonist

(53:52):
to Jamie Kennedy. So that's the trajectory of that
franchise. I don't tell Harmony Colangelo
I'm I'm feel like this slander on this.
I feel like that's everybody's trajectory though, Like we go
through life, we have our Kevin Bacon phase, but we all end up
Jamie Kennedy. It's just time waits for no man
at times undefeated. At least you have Michael Gross

(54:14):
as the constant yes. Yeah, he is the yes, he is the
anchor. But so far this.
Is number 1 so far. This is up there.
There's a dead bloodline, which this is way better than Day of
the Dead bloodline. Good guy.
And, and, and that that ties in pretty heavy to this one with
this. I think it's interesting 'cause
it's like it opens up the world in an interesting way lore wise,

(54:37):
but at the same time it's like it it it puts a funny thing.
So basically they say, OK, so everybody that survived at this,
they survived and they went on to have families because death
couldn't kill them fast enough. So I like that in this world,
death is like on Santa Claus rules that that we we are just
going to accept that there's onegrim Reaper out there that is

(54:59):
just a backlog the ass, you know?
So I like the this logic that death is going to come for the
entire bloodline that should notexist because that one person
survived. I think that is interesting lore
thing, but also like very funny to like kind of think about like
death being like, Ah, damn it, they had twins.
Fuck, that's two more onto the list.

(55:21):
I'm fuck. It makes death a kind of
personal entity, which is, you know, interesting in its own way
more. It makes them feel kind of
corporate, almost. More, more Freddy Krueger than
you know, You know, I don't knowwhat.
I would. I don't know.
Are you guys familiar with the term the Eisenhower Matrix?

(55:42):
No. You go ahead.
You break up your task into fourcategories like urgent,
important, urgent, not important, not urgent,
important, not urgent, not important.
And that's a death in this because he's like going through
each. Nice.

(56:04):
To. Me, it's the fatal flaw.
Like thinking about it after like Iris is like I've cheated
death for decades. I have this book, I have all
these notes and you actually haven't like the only thing you
really did was like you died next to last and like death had
you and not urgent, not important.
Like you were the modern quadrant.

(56:25):
And he eventually like when it was your time, he came for you.
Like you actually avoided nothing.
You spent all of those decades in a cabin in the middle, which
was a death trap, by the way. Like for someone we need to talk
about this cabin because like for someone who was like
sunlight hitting my plant could kill me.

(56:47):
She is like what if I put barbedwire, faulty rewiring and a lot
of like poleaxes everywhere. What could possibly go wrong?
Also like giant like tanks of explosive chemicals.
Yeah, let me live in a fortress of mainly metal and expect

(57:07):
nothing. I think this is all very funny.
So on Spectre Cinema we did actually they never released,
but a part of our lost files wasdoing the Final Destination
franchise. And and we always talked about
how, you know, the various protagonists and certain people
have their final destination like abilities.
You know, whether it be the final desk divisions is what I

(57:31):
call it. The people that get these
premonitions and the clues. So I like it in this one.
We get that it's a learned skillthat you can learn to catch
death's little what he would go for and things like that.
And this this final destination Bible that that irises compiled,

(57:53):
I think is is an interesting addition.
So this isn't a in the supernatural.
This is like, no, you can learn,you can get in death's mind.
I think that that's another kindof funny addition to this.
Just to just be like, so you're just extra vigilant.
Like this is like kind of like aBatman skill, I guess.
Just to be like, I I can see with the chain reaction of what

(58:15):
or no like kind of Sherlike Holmes, the Robert Downey Junior
one. You you kind of like that a
little bit. I should you should take that
superpower and go to the casino is what you should be doing.
I'm saying. Going to the sports book is
really, you know, instead of this like I wonder if this kids
going to do a trick shot with a soccer ball and knock you into a

(58:38):
garbage dumpster. Like that has a very limited
practical use in terms of like you, what you can do with it.
It would be fun for some party tricks, I guess, but you can
only charge so much for that. So Lois's whole plan was just
just absolute shit, just like not the best.
And furthermore, for someone whowas getting a like full

(59:03):
scholarship, like a full ride touniversity, like Stephanie is
one of the dumbest characters inmovie history.
Just her whole her whole plan atthe end of the movie, let's
drive to the fortress that killed grandma.
And then what we're going to do is like when we see, Oh, shits
looks bad. What if I plow this?

(59:26):
You know, when a Bay go through it?
What could go wrong? Just not a very bright woman.
I I think Stephanie is unfortunate in many ways for
this film because one, she's just kind of surrounded by
supporting characters that are like either funnier or
interesting or, you know, you know, why weren't, why wasn't

(59:48):
Eric the the lead of this movie?You know, you know why why
wasn't our boy, our PRC boy, thegoth boy?
Why is it wasn't he the protagonist?
But and and not that Stephanie like not to you know, Caitlin,
Santa's wanna she's not she's not bad.
You know, she's she's doing whatis asked of her.
But I think. She's again being asked to kind

(01:00:11):
of be OK, She's the granddaughter, so she's the one
that's kind of put everything together and like be the the
connection amongst the family tree and everything.
She's got to get the playbook. She's got it.
She's got a lot of stuff to do to where she doesn't really get
to be a character much in the film.
So I think it's more of a scriptthing for Stephanie because

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yeah, that final like climax, it's just like, girl, what are
we doing here? Like what?
Like what? Like truly, what are we doing?
So I don't know. I I think it's more of AI
definitely blame the script morethan I blame Caitlin in any
capacity. You.
Mentioned the the pacing of thisso I'll ask this now.
Like the whole third act. Like once they leave the

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hospital. That seems like the most rushed
third act of any. Oh, totally.
Or or especially within the franchise.
Yeah, like the the I'd say this has one of the weaker finales.
Yeah, honestly is a big thing because again, it's like it
almost feels kind of. I know I defend this scene, but

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I know other people have issues with it.
It feels like, and it follows where it's just like they come
up with the most random plan. But in that movie, it's like,
because we don't know how the entity truly works.
So you can kind of defend that scene of being like, well, they
truly don't know what to actually do against this entity.
Versus Stephanie has a playbook here.

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Yeah, and they're teenagers. Stephanie literally has a thick
ass playbook of options of what to do to outwit death rather
than let's just go back to grandma's fortress.
Yeah. And it follows, like, Mikaya
Monroe does have a plan before that.
It's like, I'm going to go bang a bunch of skeevy dudes.
And that's, you know, a good idea on paper.

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But then when she drives to put it in action, she's like,
actually, no, that does not sound like a good idea.
So they at least have some backups here.
It's just like drive quickly with this battering RAM of a
motor vehicle through the place.It looks like it's going to
catch on fire and already has killed one person and has the

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taste of blood already. Yeah, they, they, I don't know,
they could have did something a little bit because I mean, I
guess it, it's, it kind of sucksbecause they already kind of
blew their load a little bit with the idea of like, OK,
they're like, you know, killing yourself and bringing yourself
back to life. Like that's a new wrinkle into
this. Because we, we had seen in five,
they brought up the idea of likekilling somebody and taking

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their time. That was introduced in five.
But then they do that and then they introduce the idea in this
one, like, or you can just kill yourself and then come back and
then you're good. But so they spend all this thing
and the hospital set piece is sofun.
And you know, very interesting that once after that hospital
scene, it's like, oh, we still have another 20 minutes left of

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movie and we still need to like kind of wrap up loose ends here,
you know, so it it's like, OK, now what do we do?
And then they were still going to try to, OK, we're going to do
that again, We're going to go tograndma's house and it'll be
safer to kill ourselves there and then try to come back or
whatever. So yeah, I don't know.
It's. Yeah.
As far as just like the structure, it's just like very

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weird. Once the hospital ends, you're
left with the three least interesting characters in the
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just noticing the mother's name in the movie.
Not grandma, but the mom, and it's Darlene Campbell.
Like that's my principal who's retiring.
I'm like, man, that's freaky. So.

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Yeah, because, yeah, there because there was supposed to
be, you know, the the mom and the the working out with the two
kids. Even though I didn't like bring
her back, I thought the sibling dynamic and that was really
great. The sibling dynamic here is bone
dry. I hate you because you went to
college. Yeah.

(01:04:07):
You. Don't even call me anymore.
Yeah, it's a little like the wayshe gets the cold shoulder from
Julia, who's just kind of there.It is weird.
I did want to, I wanted to ask you guys this.
How bad of a mom did Iris have to be to like, as soon as they

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throw the shovels of dirt on thegrave, they're like fire up the
BBQ time for frozen marks. We got life-size Jenga pieces
like, like they haven't. It's just they haven't even.
It's just it was blew my mind. Like that was the reaction.
Like grandma's dead. Put some more shrimp on the

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Barbie and let's get drunk. That was amazing.
Like that's mummy dearest levelsof like.
What were your thoughts on this?It's abrupt, I mean, there's no
doubt about that, but. I mean, it's, it's, it's a plot
contrivance for sure. I don't know, I appreciate it.

(01:05:09):
Like, you know, like just because it's a film don't mean
you just gotta like, be sad all day.
Like, hey, we still got to eat, you know, like let's hang out.
Like I don't want everybody to. Being sad.
And then there's. Let's.
Go got trampoline and show me your backflips.
Dad Well, we got, we got the. Whole family around, so we might
as well just, you know, get all,get everybody together and have
a. Couple it's one of those things

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too, all the like the cousins and everything none of them even
met Iris. So it's like kind of one of
those things too, like, OK, like, yeah, that's our grandma,
that passball. Like they literally didn't don't
even know who she was. So like, I mean, I guess it's
kind of like I I don't know, like it in that that's supposed
to be, you know, there there's alot of complicated like the OK,
because I guess like Iris like was like training Darlene too

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hard on how to avoid death and that's.
What sort of like them? Go away.
Sort of like the Halloween 2018 dynamic between, you know, Jamie
Lee Curtis and and yeah. I, I kind of needed to see, I
think some of that in a flashback only because Brian,

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you can attest, like when you have kids, especially your first
one, you think everything is going to kill them, like every
single thing. And that goes away after a bit
and the. 3rd kid, you know, I mean, hey, you're letting.
Them lick the go for it, yeah. Like, you know, here go stick
this plastic knife in an outlet and and see what happens.
Like experiment Bill Nye. I don't know, I just found that

(01:06:40):
like hysterical, like really funny, but also a little bit
sad. Like, how bad of a mom did she
have to be for that to be because they were not.
It look like a fun cookout. Like they're making frozen
margs. Dad's doing backflips on the
trampoline. It's a good time.
I made me. Yeah.

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I mean as far as the set piece that goes though the scene is
really fun, right? I think it.
Doesn't really my favorite in the movie.
I think it does a really good job of a kind of pointing out
like a setting up like, you know, that's the classic, you
know, final destination set pieces.
Like you focus in on a couple minute details and be like, OK,
what's it gonna be? You know, so I like the the, the

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glass in the in the ice, which you can tell none of them worked
in a bar because everyone knows you burn the ice if there's a
broken glass anywhere. So none of those siblings that
worked at a bar anywhere. Did they know there was broken
glass though? Well, no, yeah, He, he, he ran
away. Yeah, he broke the glass and

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then he cleaned it up and he just like, and he just wiped it
onto the ground. But it's like everyone knows,
like even if it doesn't break inyour ice, well, you do it
anyways. So it's like that.
That's like a funny thing that Iknow a lot of service people are
probably. So it's like it, it catches
people on that. And then like some of the other
like all the lawn care stuff, the rake under the trampoline.
Yeah, Yeah, a lot of really great.

(01:08:07):
I thought no. Net.
Having no net on the trampoline either.
Like if someone there's a trampoline in our backyard, like
that's a recipe for a broken arm.
Not having a net surrounding your trampoline.
Did did you guys like also like find yourself like trying to
guess who it was going to be too'cause I was just like, I was
like, no, because there was. Getting away in the trailer.

(01:08:28):
I didn't watch it now I didn't see the trailer, thank goodness.
Yeah, the the trailer actually gave away too, the different
ones. I mean, it, it, it's the one of
the first trailer was the entirety, almost the entirety of
the tattoo parlor scene. Oh, I didn't see that.
I did not see that thing. And then and then the second one

(01:08:50):
was the the cookout and it all the way to the lawnmower come.
Why would you do that? Yeah, it was.
So it was like. Goodness, I don't watch trailers
cuz yeah like why do that? Couldn't have, couldn't avoid
them. You know, if we go and see a few
movies, yeah. Even with that one being in the
trailer it's still my favorite just because again of the build

(01:09:12):
up. Like, I know exactly how it's
gonna turn out. And, you know, it didn't give
away everything, every beat. So there was a lot still going
on in it that was fun to watch. I mean, and like we have said,
you know, the the death itself is almost a punchline, but the
joke is how long it takes to getthere.
Exactly. And so, yeah, that's part of the

(01:09:34):
fun of these anyway. So it didn't really necessarily
detract from me liking that scene or anything.
I, I know the monkey wasn't trying to be a Final Destination
movie, but it might as well havebeen.
And watching that movie like highlights again, like what
makes these movies work? And for, at least for me, what

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didn't make that movie work 'cause there was no build up,
there was no holding on anything.
There was no misdirection. It was like, OK, you see that a
hornet's nest that somebody's gonna get Hornets in their
mouth. Like, you know, it's like it was
kind of what was versus in this,It's like you get enough of like
the OK, like you keep thinking somebody got swallowed the the
piece of glass. No, it goes in somebody's foot.

(01:10:17):
Like, you know, like the the slight things like that.
So like again, this scene I think is a really great like a
very strong showcase. Again, like what makes this
franchise work? Because like, you know, we,
we've seen them do this kind of structured type of scene many a
times. And this one is, is really fun.
Agreed. I really enjoyed the monkey like

(01:10:40):
I went, I saw that twice as well.
But I will say like after seeingthis in theaters, I can say that
like one maybe knock on the monkey is that there is a snark
to it. There is like this sort of like
Osgood Perkins is almost like sneering at the audience a bit
for kind of enjoying this. Like you guys should really be

(01:11:00):
above this at this point where Final Destination films like
this one in particular, it seemslike we want to bring people
under the umbrella. Like they embrace how silly and
goofy these movies are with a couple things that stood out
like little lines like Bobby when they're walking to the car
and they're going slow and he's like too fast.

(01:11:23):
Just like it's a small line. But it popped to me like I just
laughed my ass off. And then the whole reveal with
like the idea like, well, how come he didn't die?
Why did it skip over him? And you have this like General
Hospital slash guide days of ourlives, like last minute reveal
that like Eric is a bastard son from Brenda's affair when she

(01:11:47):
and Uncle Howie, who's like the most dude, yes, like that's
amazing. Like that was out of nowhere.
Like you know what you're in forwhen that is the reveal.
I love that so much is. That why you always wanted to
play catch. That was that.
Was a fucking great line. Such a great line.

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Shout Richard Harmon. He's been in a few genre things
at least. I know him from Grave Encounters
Part 2 if anybody saw that one. But yeah, and because they kind
of already have this like kind of an interesting like blended
family and stuff. So it's like you already didn't
know who was related and stuff. But then like so that reveal I
thought was funny and also foundthis nation does the franchise

(01:12:32):
does an interesting thing where they like infantilize characters
in a way because like like Eric,Bobby and and Julia like these
are I'm like they're obviously adults, but they also kind of
act like teenagers. They all live at the house with
their parents, especially Bobby.Like Bobby is literally acting

(01:12:54):
like a 12 year old in this movie.
And like, because they do that in a final destination too with
that one kid, you know, like acts like an like 8 year old and
you're like. Oh, this is chasing the pigeons.
Yeah, so this franchise does this a few times and like so
like I like in this and it's just like, wait, how old are any
of these? Like, are they children?
Are they adults? Like, you guys are kind of dumb.

(01:13:16):
Yeah. You guys have a?
Turtle they can't. They don't seem to have any
other friends like outside of their own group of three and the
other cousins like right? Just like Eric is like a tattoo
artist and a piercing artist. So he's at least in his like mid
20s, like, you know, but at the same time, like I love the shot
of him walking down the street in the morning with his juice

(01:13:38):
box. I'm like again.
I'm like, how old are they? And then, like when he's like
licking a garbage truck, like, look, even if death isn't out to
kill you, like do you know, unsanitary, at the very least,
you're going to get like the worst diarrhea ever.
Like, so that is so unpleasant. And it's like right after the

(01:14:02):
dad dies and he's so jolly again, Like, one thing about
this movie is like, everybody seems to get over the deaths of
their loved ones, like, very, very quickly like.
Just cut to another funeral. But I also thought that was part
of the joke. That's part of what struck me as
really funny. And I same it understood the IT

(01:14:23):
it understands the assignment asthe kids say, you know, it's. 3
does that, 3 has a recurring bitwhere they're just like, I'm
getting real tired of going to funerals.
Yeah, exactly. I don't know if, like, I should
feel sympathy for Aunt Brenda and we should go check on her
and make sure she's OK. Or is she like the worst monster

(01:14:46):
in the movie? Because she explicitly goes
against like, her husband, like Uncle Howard's like, please,
nothing to do with my mom, like just bad juju.
Don't do it. And she's like, by the way, if
you look at the bottom drawer ofthe kitchen desk, you'll not
find anything there. And then it just like, brings

(01:15:08):
about all the destruction of herwhole family.
Like, I don't know, like, and what I do love is like her, all
her three children die, her husband dies in horrible,
horrible deaths, and then like, she's completely ridden out of
the film and we never check on her again.
Like she. She just went back to Jerry for

(01:15:30):
comfort. That's.
All Jerry. I think what we have to assume.
Happened. Jerry played the long game.
That's it. Well, they did this with
Stephanie and Charlie's dad too,and they revealed that like he,
well, he's safe because he's notpart of the bloodline.
He like literally is like all right, bye.
And then literally pieces out for the rest.
Of going for a walk. He, yeah, he goes.
I'm going for a walk to let off some steam any day.

(01:15:52):
Come back. That's actually a low key great
joke. I didn't even think about that.
That's really funny. Yeah, the.
Only thing that would have been better is if he went out for a
pack of smokes. Yeah, exactly.
The hospital, I think you mentioned, Yvonne, like the
hospital set pieces are brilliant.
We should talk a little bit about Tony Todd.
Like this is his last on screen role of one thing about his

(01:16:15):
performance here, like it's in amovie that's very, very funny.
Like his scene is very poignant.I think there's been a lot said
where like he wasn't necessarilyscripted in the scene, but they
said like, this is like the blueprint of what you got to get
across to move the story along. And then you can say whatever

(01:16:35):
you want and it's obvious like looking at him and this.
And he was very ill at the time and passed away shortly
thereafter because he was just like a a bear of a man.
Just I remember I remember like bumping into him at the New York
City Horror Film Fest and like 2010, like he was there as a
special guest and I was standingoutside and he stood next to me

(01:16:58):
and like one of like the largestmen I've ever been near.
Like just in to see him here. Like it's sad, but his, his his
words at the end, like we don't know when death is coming for
us. Like I'm tired of waiting for
it. Like I'm going to enjoy whatever
time you I have left is like a really in a very fun, silly

(01:17:20):
movie, like a very beautiful message.
Yeah, I. Mean that's sort of the, I guess
the thematic thread of all of these because you have so many,
especially in the sequels, you have people living in constant
fear of death where they, you know, lock themselves in rooms
or in this case in this movie, in a cabin.
Now, granted, she has her reasoning is to keep herself

(01:17:46):
alive so that her children and grandchildren can live, but at
what cost? I mean, at what cost are am I
keeping myself alive to, you know, I'm not really living.
And I think that I think that's sort of the underlying sort of,

(01:18:06):
you know, really powerful and effective message of these
movies in general is you got to live.
You can't live in constant fear of death because you'll end up
like, you know, clear waters or whatever, clear rivers,
whatever. What is her name?
Clear rivers, yeah. Yeah, you know, living in a

(01:18:26):
padded room, you know, with pictures all over the wall or
get hit by a brick off screen, like.
In her defense, the minute she decides to choose life again in
the perlance of Trainspotting 2 days later, she explodes So.
Yeah. Well, The thing is, it kind of
undermines its own themes. You know, this movie has a has,

(01:18:49):
I mean, horror movies do that all the time, you know, I mean.
I thought the theme was like Aunt Brenda kind of a hoe.
Like I thought it was the theme of this movie.
Is that a theme or is that more of a mode too?
No, I but the other major recurring theme in these movies
is, is the omnipresence of deathand the uncertainty of

(01:19:11):
everything. So the I the notion that, yeah,
you can decide to live, but you,you're going to get killed two
days later. Like that's, that's part of
that. And, and I like, you know,
obviously like it's very poignant for this to be Tony
Todd's, you know, one of his last performances.
And and I think it you know, notonly for, you know, obviously
real life, it also like even himjust being in this franchise and

(01:19:34):
like, and even within the story,like there's always been the
theories. Oh, is he the Grim Reaper?
Is he death? Is he the, you know, whatever,
does he know more than other people let on?
And then with, you know, obviously this being Tony Todd,
you know, kind of him, his health decline and everything
and his character retiring and then like being like confirming.
And it's just like, no, like this person that like you can

(01:19:56):
build it, you know, mess up about somebody in your head, but
at the end of the day, they're still human that are also going
to die. So I think.
That, you know, kind of translates in with Tony Todd and
his his legacy within the horrorgenre of just being like, you
know, like we, you know, we think that these people are
untouchable, you know, because we have seen them on screen and
with such power and gravitas andeverything.

(01:20:16):
And we think that, Oh no, they're not going to die.
Like, of course not. Like, you know, like so whenever
you know, you get kind of hit with that reality.
Like like Mike said, like I, I remember meeting him and he is
as a big hulking man. And then when you see him in
this film and you know, he is mainly sitting down for this and
it's just like, wow. Like, you know, like, again,
like people, everyone is human. It's gonna come for everybody in

(01:20:39):
one way or another. And so it was, it was, it was
very nice. It was very beautiful.
And I think a a nice way to cement his legacy within the
genre community. Yeah, definitely.
He the the, his presence cannot be understated.
His impact on the horror genre cannot be understated, so to to
to have him be able to deliver atruly appropriate swan song in

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this movie was I it? It brought me to tears in the
theater. I I don't mind admitting it.
Yeah, I mean, he was like a little bit more than like, Stan
Lee cameos. Like he wasn't necessarily,
like, essential in anything. Part 3.
It's only his voice. Like he's the voice of the
roller coaster, the devil's horn.
I think it is. But it's like he would pop up

(01:21:23):
and you're like, there he is. Like there's bloodhorn.
And it was like fascinating to seek.
So he'd play like a different, so have like a different sort of
role in each one. And yet he's always the same.
And I kind of really liked that,like that idea.
Also, that he was and that he was a person that got saved in a

(01:21:43):
premonition is cool for that as well.
Yeah, that. Was I just called that little
kid? I was like, there's Tony.
That's that's little Tony Todd. Yeah, I, I, I remember
whispering that. I remember whispering that to my
son. It's like, Oh my gosh, it's Tony
Todd. So we'll be honest, I did not
make that connection. I'm a, I'm a dumb, dumb.

(01:22:04):
And I thought, oh, it's the singer.
Yeah. I thought something like that,
too. Guys sing and shout.
That's Tony Todd's character. Yeah.
Oh man, another thing I really liked was Eric and Bobby's
debate of whether or not they should murder a baby in order.
To sing. Amazing.
Amazing shot. Because like the the fact that

(01:22:28):
they have a read that reaction shot with like, wow, the little
shoulder shrug, then no, but it's like to me like that's good
comedy right there. That is good comedy.
I, I really like the, the way they worked in Bobby's peanut
allergy because you know, when you think about certain people

(01:22:48):
that have those allergies and usually when they have them,
they are like super serious and fatal.
And the whole EpiPen situation. They and these are people that
like, do you have to live in slight caution, you know,
because they have to be aware of, you know, what's in their
food and drinks and things like that.
So like the fact that they, you know, take that to the next
step. But then that's also the thing

(01:23:09):
that they try to use to, to pulla reverse Uno on death.
I think is really interesting. Like I, I really like it.
Just like kind of the whole tension of this, of this
hospital scene with, you know, setting up.
And I like, I like him choosing what candy bar with peanut
butter in he wants, right. Yeah, He's like, he's like, no,

(01:23:29):
don't do the he's like, don't dothe crackers and peanut butter.
He's like. Let me get the candy nuts.
Yeah, the unsalted nuts, that's what I want is like, I'm not
going out on unsalted nuts. As soon as that gets brought up
at the BBQ scene, I'm like, OK, that's coming back.
And I I figured that was going to be how death got him, like,
you know, a ricocheted peanut into his drink or something

(01:23:50):
later in the movie. I will say this franchise has no
idea how hospital equipment tends to work.
Apparently if you, if you turn it up high enough, it will like
completely like because it's in five, I think when she's doing
the LASIK surgery and then it like gets cranked up and it

(01:24:10):
like, it starts like like scorching her eye and face and
shit. And then there's not really
hospital equipment, but the tanning bed seen in three, like
come on. And then you've got this the the
MRI machine, like if you turn and if you leave an MRI on for
long enough, it will completely disrupt operations at a
hospital. Well, they try.
Well, they, they tried doing a thing that, I don't know, maybe

(01:24:32):
was like 4 people trying to nitpick like the household stuff
because they have a thing out where it's like, oh, it can't go
past this level and except for research purposes.
But then it's like, oh wait, the, the, the thing fell onto
the two key locks and now up nowit's super mode is unlocked.
Yeah. I don't know if I want a
Mythbusters The Final Destination movies because I

(01:24:55):
just feel something would go horribly wrong.
But I do appreciate Stevens beefwith them is like the the
vermicilitude. It's just not there with these
films. Like it's just not.
I mean, there's this suspension of disbelief that I'm willing,
I'm willing to suspend my disbelief because these movies
are so damn fun. I just yeah, it it just.

(01:25:16):
I think it's worth noting. Well, I mean, it's like it's
like a. Checklist we can you know little
To Do List today John, Steven, Julia well.
I mean, it's like we know, OK, logs don't bounce if they fall
off of a log truck, you know, for example.
But who cares? I mean, that's part of the it's
part of the fun. Death is like, I'm just going to

(01:25:41):
fuck with these people in the most interesting way I can.
I got to keep myself entertainedhere.
Exactly. After all.
So I know that log trucks don't that logs don't bounce off of
trucks. I know that MRI machines don't
go up that high, but I don't care.
I'm going to make it happen anyway.
I'm deaf. So there we go.
That's that's there's your suspension of disbelief.

(01:26:04):
It's death. Also never wanted a Prince
Albert less than like. That was one of the funniest
bits of that moment. Like when Eric's Johnson just
starts getting poked. Yeah.
I didn't think it could get funnier than the nipple rings.
And then we get the Prince. Albert and yeah, gone.
It was as soon as I saw the nipples, I was like, I was like,
oh please, please tell me he's got one.

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Yes, yes he does. And everybody started clapping.
And Eric is 100% the kind of guywho.
Would have of course, of course.But yeah, that was I, I really
liked the the like inverted likelike little like a back break.
It's pretty gnarly. Nice little homage to the what,

(01:26:46):
Final Destination 4 poster. You know, where he's got the
skull tattoo on his stomach and the stuff and the, you know,
bars the wheelchair come throughhim.
Yeah. Yeah.
That was that was some, some nice touches like that were
yeah, were fun to see. I mean, they they weren't, they
were Easter eggs, but they weren't like heavy-handed Easter

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eggs like you see in so many movies.
Yeah. It's not the over the top fan.
Service it's not Ghostbusters afterlife they.
The you have the log the loggingtruck go by at one point like.
A yeah, yeah, yeah. She got Stephanie, saw it and
goes, oh, I bet. I guess something bad's about to
happen. So I guess don't know is this
running concurrently with two? We don't really know.

(01:27:30):
We see iPhones in this, don't we?
Can't. Remember, we do, Yeah, it's a
modern. I think it's modern times what
we're meant to. I feel like you can only do the
twist of five one time. Yeah, you can only do that once
per franchise. Yeah, of course.
Go ahead. Like.
Go ahead, Devon. I was just going to say, I know
we touched on it, but I, I did want to say that the, the

(01:27:52):
piercing shop scene is one of the few like total fake outs
because obviously, like, you know, certain scenes are known
for being like, OK, we'll fake you out a couple times, but
eventually the person's going toget it.
I like that this is like the first, like complete total.
Like a person goes through an entire final destination set
piece and then comes out a lot. I thought, I thought that was an

(01:28:14):
interesting little twist. And again, I'm glad I didn't
watch the trailer because like Ifelt.
Like it didn't give away works, yeah.
Even though that still works, but I'm glad I got like the full
like appreciation like I thought, I thought that was a
really fun, fun set piece. I, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Mike no, I just say great choiceof music for that backdrop as

(01:28:35):
well throughout that whole scenewith I Can't Live Without You.
Right, this, this this movie does a really good job with the
music. Like the the the song choices in
the soundtrack are very meticulously chosen and it shows
for sure. I really like it.
I know this is probably like no one's favorite kill in this
movie, but I really love the thethe lead up to the compactor

(01:28:57):
kill because it all plays out inthe background of the shot.
And I'm a sucker for like peoplehaving a conversation in the
foreground and insane shit goingon behind them and they're just
not noticing. I I buy into that every time
hook, line and sinker. So the fact that we set it up
earlier when she's walking by, well, this could happen in this
case. And then we see it all play out,
exactly what she said, but in the deep background, like barely

(01:29:20):
in focus is just just so fuckingperfect.
And just again, a great way to highlight and to do something
different with this, with this franchise as well.
Julie, they like doinked right into the trash.
Can it's? Just brilliant.
It's just really and like you have the, you have like the,

(01:29:40):
the, the driver, just like listening to Chumbawumba.
I think it's. Wiping right the whole like he's
living his best life, like he really is absolutely and not
paying attention to anything. Not even the load really.
Yeah, it's that was really fun. Like that whole scene I what I
thought was going to happen because you had the fake out

(01:30:02):
with like Eric, like they're like they hit Eric with their
car almost and he's like that isjuice box when he's like
taunting them and the and the truck drives by super fast.
I thought it was going to be like another like one of my.
Like the bus? Yeah, like.
First one like you can drop deadand then the bus nails into her.

(01:30:23):
I thought they were going to do that.
It's another little tip of the cap to like other Final
Destination movies that I reallyenjoy.
But again, listeners, do not lick garbage trucks, please.
We, we, we are all about fuckingthem kids and not like, hold on,
we're all about fuck them kids. That came out really wrong.

(01:30:47):
All right, this is my last episode.
Thanks, everybody. Have a great night.
It's been great being on this podcast.
Bye everybody. Between Ariel saying let teenage
girls be horny on the Nosferatu episode and that.
We're all about fucking kids andnot licking garbage trucks is

(01:31:07):
what I was. Trying the two things this show
is about. That's really the hallmarks.
That's our tenth holes around which we've built.
That's our ethos. Good God, I I.
Oh, that was incredible. Well, I'd say let's end there.
But I have one more thing I I don't know that would have been
you couldn't have saved it for 4minutes, Steven Michael because

(01:31:28):
that would have been the perfectending.
I mean, we can just cut that andput that at the end if you want,
if you really want. I think we'll re cut that into
the fee please. Please don't put that on the
sound boards. Let's ask.
I wasn't thinking that, but now that you've mentioned it, fuck.
I mean, what's? Georgie Scott when you need him.

(01:31:53):
My God, Georgie Scott will always be there when you need
him. My God, that won't stop.
So. Charlie's prom date.
I think it's Jenny. Charlie's prom date.
Does her father get he and Caitlin killed by like, well,
actually like his, like, heroic rescue of his sister?

(01:32:16):
Like, he's like, well, I have toshow I'm the big boy here.
He's like, you didn't really save her life, you know,
technically speaking. And then shit goes haywire.
Like if he just kept his mouth shut, it was like, hey, it was
really cool. You saved your sister.
Well, actually, them and Death was just literally waiting

(01:32:36):
around the corner. Death is a petty bitch and he
was waiting for that moment and AS.
Soon as he heard that, he goes, fuck yeah, I've got these
motherfuckers. Yeah, I thought that was
actually, I thought that was pretty interesting because I was
like, Oh my God, makes a point there.
But this fucking train scene looks stupid.
I'm sorry. This was awful after already the

(01:33:00):
wet fart of the like climax at the at grandma's house.
Yeah, I thought this train thingwas silly.
We've already we already did that kind of with the subway.
So we're gonna now do it again with now another train.
And it looked like garbage, likethe green screen on it looked so
bad. So I hated this final scene.
Tell that neither Charlie or Caitlin had ever seen Prometheus

(01:33:22):
because they just run straight as opposed to like we've go to
the side of it like that is so. I think there are two things in
particular that CGI does really,really bad.
One of them is fire. We can never figure it out.
Yeah, figure fire out. The other thing is blood.

(01:33:43):
And so ending with the logs falling on them in the blood.
It was just like it. It was just like it.
It looks like it's terrible. It was kind of a let down of an
ending after how much fun we'd had up to that point.
Yeah, I mean, I know that, like I said, horror movies, I feel
like they always have to undermine everything that they

(01:34:05):
are about in the last sequence because you have to, ever since
Carrie, you have to send them out with a bang, right?
So that's why we have the shittyending to Nightmare on Elm
Street. That's why we have, you know,
things like that that just kind of undermine everything that
happened before in the movie. And that's kind of how I feel
feel about this closing scene. But, you know, at the same time

(01:34:29):
and with a bang, I get it. But.
It's a. Fun.
It's a more fan service. Yeah, it's a fun gag.
Like I think that's a fun gag with the log.
They're like, oh, we escaped that train and then the log
comes flying over. Like, yeah, that to me is funny,
but it's just not executed with a lot of skill or grace.
But overall, like, it doesn't detract too much from me for,

(01:34:52):
like, I this is the longest of the final death.
I mean, it's nearly two hours. It's pretty long, yeah.
There are points like when she first goes to Uncle Howard's
house, it feels like they are ina Howard Hawks movie because
everyone's talking so fast. They're like slow down.

(01:35:13):
Like they're just like dumping like 30 years of exposition in
30 seconds. It's a little bit crazy.
That was it for me. Do we have anything else before
we wrap things up? No, I don't know.
I think I think from like it, it's interesting because like
again, like coming back after 14years since since the last one,

(01:35:34):
I think the structure kind of reflects it in that it's like,
OK, the first like bit like is it's a little wonky getting its
pudding in the first like 30 minutes or so.
But then like from the BBQ to the through the hospital, like
that chunk that's a solid final destination movie right there.
Like that chunk right there is like good final destination
stuff. And then after the hospital, it

(01:35:55):
gets wonky again, you know, But,you know, so but we're back.
That's all that matters. Final Destination is back.
We are, you know, we're totally got another one, apparently.
Like, apparently to the directors, they said that
they're not going to rush it, though.
They said that these take a lot of time.
So yeah, like, they don't have to turn them out, a bunch of
them. As long as I know another one's

(01:36:16):
coming, I'll be happy. I'm right there with you.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
We'll be back in a couple years with Final Destination 7.
It'll be kind of. Where do you guys want them to
go next? I want I I I thought a cruise
ship would be fun. Oh, that could be a lot of fun.
Cruise ship could be really good.
That could be great, yeah. Like deep sea exploration, like

(01:36:38):
I mean, I know we had like the whole, you know, submarine
caving in on itself a couple years ago.
Like something in the deep sea might be a lot of fun when you
get into. But that's already inherently
dangerous, right? Needs to be more.
Needs to be more mundane. We need to be at Well, what's
the most mundane place we can think of at A at?

(01:36:58):
A library like. In Arby's, Yeah, just.
Well, that's not believable because that would be so hungry
they would eat at Arby's. Send it like the DMVI don't know
like what else? That's my favorite Simpsons
line. Yeah, I'm so hungry I can eat at
Arby's anyway. I thought your I thought your

(01:37:19):
favorite Simpsons line was on mygrind.
No, it's it's I'm so hungry I need an Arby's.
I did have an idea though, inspired off of Tony Todd's like
final scene. I guess that would be in line a
little bit more with Mike. So going against what I just
said, but like, I think it'd be interesting to see one that
follows like characters that arelike, like maybe adrenaline

(01:37:40):
junkies or like the people that like, you know, are like, I
wanna see people like going out like challenging death.
Like cuz you know, cuz again, I think we've gotten 6 Movies Now
of like at the end of the day, like death comes from resolve.
You have to accept death. And it's like, OK, so like, why
don't we get some people that are like living, you know, their
life to their fullest and like kind of challenging deaths.

(01:38:01):
There could be like a lot more like fake outs with like certain
things, I don't know. And that would be a great twist
on the franchise premise, honestly.
Yeah, in a really interesting way.
I and I liked that first responder idea that we had
mentioned. Earlier, what if it's death
saving people in convoluted wayslike like the people that like

(01:38:21):
hang from buildings and stuff and then one somebody slips, but
then death like somehow catches them is like, no, no, no, I
didn't say you could go out yet.Elementary school might be fun.
Dark. That's pretty dark.
What about the circus? You know, like.
Circus. Are there still circuses?
I was about to say, are there still circuses anymore?

(01:38:42):
Well hey, this could be one of those period piece things.
True. It's like going on at the same
time as freaks. I don't know if the CGI animals
would look good given the track record, so it's not a bad idea
though. I like the time travel idea.
I like going back to the 70s or the 80s, like within within the

(01:39:02):
framework we established in thismovie doing like a punk Rock,
You know, a punk scene 1 and kind of some underground clubs
or some shit in the 80s. Mean a music festival like a
Coachella or a Lollapalooza. I think that was an idea at one
point, but you could do something with that for sure
that. 'D be a great opening set piece

(01:39:23):
honestly. It's a music festival for one of
these for sure. We are asking about best
Bloodlines movies. Was there like a direct to video
Care Bear sequel like Bloodlineswhere the Care Bears?
No, but maybe I just dreamed that.
All right. I can think of.
Well, Speaking of dreams, folks,what do we all have to plug?

(01:39:45):
What is coming up on everyone's plate, Steven?
What's going on with disenfranchised?
Disenfranchised we were. We actually have recorded almost
everything for June. I think one of the with to
coincide with Methreegan 2 pointO we're doing the Chris White's
film A Fray ID. It was one of the.

(01:40:07):
Few horror movies I. Skipped last year, yeah.
So we're we're covering, we're getting ready to cover that one,
but we just. Recently covered I'm not sure
when this is dropping, but we did Joe Dante's Inner Space,
which is oh, I love that movie great movie and then we.
What did we cover before that? A reign of.
Fire to to go along with the newHow to Train Your Dragons movie.

(01:40:31):
I have since the last time I've been on.
I started another podcast because like Devon, I just have
to keep podcasting or, you know,if I don't keep the podcast
machine going at several episodes a month, I, my heart
will stop. But I I'm started a podcast
called Wells University with my friend Hope Stau and the two of

(01:40:51):
us are discussing the life and work of the great Orson Welles.
Those episodes are dropping by weekly Tuesdays, wherever you
get your podcasts. So check that out.
If you if you're up to it, we will put a link in our notes
page I will give. That a listen I've on your just
hearing you discuss Wells. I've started to like really try

(01:41:13):
to dive into his work a little bit.
I'm wearing one of my Orson Welles T-shirts right now, so.
F is for fake is a phone time. Such a great movie.
Fascinating movie, I will recommend that to.
Anybody. Yeah.
So good. But yeah, in three-year old,
would you recommend it to a three-year old if they want to,
if they want to? Like, like get, take a nice

(01:41:35):
little nap, Yeah. OK, I'm fair enough.
I then I would also I'm. On blue sky and letterbox.
At Chewy Walrus, you can find methere.
Excellent. Devon, what do you have coming
up? Oh, you can find me at all the
usual places at Under Score Daddydisco.
On Blue Sky Instagram letterbox you can hear me over Inspector

(01:41:57):
Cinema every Tuesday. We had wrapped up a month on
movies about scores, soundtracksand sound design.
Mr. Brian Kiper was on episode for that talking to Changeling.
So you guys can go back and listof that.
For Pride Month we are doing thePsycho Series, doing all four of

(01:42:19):
them, and we also did a movie commentary for Patreon on
American Psycho 2, All American Girl that about destroyed us.
You want to talk about movies that make you want to not watch
movies anymore. I didn't think it.
I didn't think it could be, like, as bad as advertised, but
like, it really is. So did you make, did you make
Garrett regret not doing the GusVan Sant's?

(01:42:41):
Like, yeah. Yes, those are our two options.
Between two terrible options andwe went with that one and it
still almost killed him. So.
So yeah, patreon.com/spector Cinema, if you want to hear us
torture ourselves watching that movie and you can hear me doing
Tainted Love every other Wednesday with Zoe Rose Smith

(01:43:03):
talking horror movies about sex,romance and relationships.
We did an episode on Tucker and Dale versus Evil, a little
platonic love, a little new romance as well.
And then we just recorded our episode on Ravenous will be our
extra Queer Pride Month episode of Some Queer Cannibals Run
Around the Mountains. Ever since Wrong Turn I have

(01:43:25):
like literally been consuming somuch cannibal stuff the past few
months. I when will I ever stop?
Who knows? Ironic word choice device.
Ironic. Very ironic.
Steve and I both. Looked at each other.
At the same time like Yep. All right, Brian, how about
yourself? Well, I it was recently

(01:43:45):
announced. That there's a new Mario Bava
box set coming out from Scream Factory.
I did commentaries on that for Black Sunday and Black Sabbath.
So if you're into black days of rest, I think that's what you
said there, Steven. So I'm stealing that because

(01:44:06):
it's amazing. Oh, you did, by all means.
Yeah. So so that's coming out for you
Bava heads out there. Let's see here, I was on
Halloweenies few weeks ago and Ias already mentioned, Spectre
Cinema and working on Holy Terrors.

(01:44:27):
We are banking some episodes trying to get a few in the can
before we try to launch that. We really do want to try and
launch for the network. So we're stealing our nerves to
do some pitching on that, and we're really excited about what
that is going to cover that. It's going to be about the

(01:44:50):
intersection between faith and spirituality and horror movies.
And it's the episodes we've doneso far.
We did one on Heretic. We did one on The Prophecy
starring Christopher Walken. That is a movie if you haven't
seen that anyway. If you I.

(01:45:12):
Don't know if that one's ever going to go on the wheel here,
but that is a movie anyway. So that should be hopefully
we're going to launch soon whereyou haven't decided on an on an
official launch yet, but we're hard at work on that and we look
forward to launching that. And you can find me at Brian
Waves 42 on all the various socials.

(01:45:33):
And you can find us everywhere you get your podcasts.
You can go to our site Pod in the pendulum.com.
We have all of our back episodeslisted as we close in on #300
you can become a patron at patreon.com/pod in the Pendulum.
Follow us on the socials at BlueSki over at Pod and Pendulum and

(01:45:57):
same over on Instagram. Follow me at Mike's Noonian over
on Blue Sky and same on Instagram and Mike Chum change
over on a letterbox. That's our show for this week.
We'll be back next week with a little more Final destination.
We are going to do a franchise ranking now that we have six of

(01:46:18):
them in the books and do things a little different in that we're
going to rank the six movies andthen also rank like the six
opening set pieces as well, justto add a little more fun to it.
From there, the Summer of Georgewill commence, where we sticks
Romero Dead films, along with Tom Savini's 1990 remake and

(01:46:45):
Zack Snyder's 2004 Dawn of the Dead reimagining as well.
Baby. Yeah, Summer of George, baby.
So. That will be I will not, can't
promise. I'm not going to beat that joke
into the ground over the summer.Put it on the soundboard now,
Mike, while you're thinking about it will be on there.

(01:47:07):
It will be on there, maybe even.Do some sort of trailer for
those. OK, that is like one of the last
really big giant franchises. I mean, we do have other stuff
we're doing Psycho later and Predator later and Holy Jesus
Christ, we have a lot of big franchises.
The Omen, The Omen. I don't think the omens of big

(01:47:28):
franchise. Though it's.
Like one, the first two, the first one is right.
So after that. It's like, how do you guys feel?
About doing all the. Leprechaun movies and then I
just like kick myself in the Dick.
So what you're saying mentioned I just mentioned the Prophecy
series? Right, what you're saying is
this is the last. Year we're doing pot and pet no.

(01:47:51):
I have nothing else so like. Really, we got plenty of
franchises. We got Puppet Master that's got
like. 17 movies or something making me feel better Toys if
you wanna go that route too. No, I will do this until people
make. Me stop at this point just
because like, what the hell elseam I going to do with my time,

(01:48:14):
Steven? Like what?
You know, you know my parents parent my child, you know.
We all know better. Your loving husband.
Come on, like we know that's notit.
It's not your MO. We might stop watching
Amityville Clock. And come spend.
Time with me. Let me tell you something about.

(01:48:34):
Marriage, people, it's. A crap.
Those are your words, Admiral. Ackbar, not mine.
All right, Oh my. Actually, we're celebrating our
19th anniversary in like less than a week and a half.
And she's brilliant and amazing and she puts, as you can

(01:48:54):
imagine, listeners, after nearlytwo hours of of this, where I'm
like, you know, a final destination set in an elementary
school, She she puts up with a lot like she really does.
All right, listeners, have a great week.
Love to you all. We'll be back with our rankings
episode. Take care.

(01:49:30):
We we, we are all about fucking them kids and not like, well I
hold on.

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