WISHMASTER 3: BEYOND THE GATES OF HELL

Note to the listeners: Due to some computer snafus onMike’s end, the first five minutes of this episode are lost. We join this one as it is already in progress.

This week, Mike and Ariel are on hand to talk Wishmaster 3Beyond the Gates of Hell. While we were warned we might experience something on par with the lows of the worst Wrong Turn franchise, this one is, just sort of there. It’s not the worst thing we’ve ever watched, but it isn’t all thatmemorable either. What is memorable is the mid-episode existential crisis Mike has as he ponders whether eternity would ever get boring, or if there is capitalism in the Afterlife, and if so, does Jesus make people toil in factoriesputting little screws into “Footprints” framed posters? We do talk about the movie a bit, and whether this is the same Djinn as the same movie, ponder why the Djinn doesn’t act a little nicer when granting wishes in order to get the prophecyto come true, and wonder if Angels would ride public transportation. Good times. Mike also makes the argument again that Wishmaster 2 laid the groundwork for the landmark Supreme Court case of Citizens United. All that, plus a little bit of Buffy talk.

Episode Transcript

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Hey folks, Mike here. So super quick before we begin
this week's show, I have to issue quick apology.
In EMEA culpa and the six plus years of doing the show, this
hasn't happened where both the master tracks that we recorded
will. We record each track
individually through our Internet software and the backup

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track I do on my local drive. Both of them were corrupted and
I could not upload either of them.
Luckily we caught the recording error fairly early on and I
switched laptops and thought we would be able to recover the
backup, but that wasn't the case.
That's really never happened before, but what can you do?

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So all that's missing is about the 1st 5 or 6 minutes of the
show, which if you listen to us,no, that's just me kind of
rambling on a bit like I do right now.
So what you're going to hear today is Ari and I mid
conversation on Witch Master Three.
Oh boy. I bet everyone is super excited

(01:05):
to dive into this masterpiece. But again, my apologies.
Hopefully that won't happen again for whatever reason, like
the Witch Master series and recording, it has been filled
with recording snafus. Just a lot of little things.
So glad to leave this series behind.

(01:25):
Onward and upward. Thanks everyone and on with the
show. It is it is a technically is in

(02:08):
my my era. You know, I really felt 2
influences on this movie. You can really feel the Scream
influence I think because we've got a group of friends in
college and it's like the 2 girls are really close friends

(02:30):
and their boyfriends are kind ofdoofy and they don't really
trust their boyfriends. And they're treating Tapioca,
the main character. They're, they're like treating
her like she's crazy and that it's all her family trauma
coming to get her. And, and that's very much how
Sydney is treated by Billy and Scream.
And so I was like, OK, OK, this one's influenced by Scream.

(02:53):
I can get that. I also really felt that this was
influenced by Buffy. I feel like this so the Jinns
look throughout the franchise isa good looking monster.
He's he's a good looking monster.
And in this one, I just felt like it still looks good, but it

(03:13):
reminded me a lot of like the demons that we'd see monster of
the week style on Buffy. And we've got a blonde woman
who's forced to kick ass even though she doesn't really want
to. She's working with an Angel,
which we'll get into because what the hell, But we've got her

(03:34):
going around kicking ass with a sword with an Angel to try to
find a way to outsmart this demon.
It reminded me of, oh, that thatstory arc on Buffy where they're
like, no weapon forged can kill this thing.
And was he what? I can't remember what the name

(03:54):
of that demon was. The master.
Not not the master and not the mayor.
Maybe that was the judge. The whatever story arc was where
they were, they decide that theycan kill him with a really big
gun. Because I really felt that
influence on this movie and so Ifound that enjoyable too.

(04:16):
That it has the feel of like that CWUPN kind of like like
Xena Warrior Princess Hercules as well type of thing.
Where like the bee special effects are definitely supposed
to be part of the charm of the movie.
The fact that it looks so tacky overall like and that is

(04:37):
definitely the case here. It's really driving me crazy now
that I can't think of who. And I want to say the character
was played by like Brian Williams.
Like he's a pretty big you're The X-Files.
Like he was in The X-Files as well for a few.
He was like a big almost looks like Swash.
Like, you know, if he needed a stunt tumble for Schwarzenegger,

(04:59):
like he could step in and be that stunt double.
But yeah, he was definitely likea big in the 90s for a little
while. Like you need a big hulking guy
that could act a little bit as well, like that guy from Buffy.
But he's not in this movie. So I guess like, I don't want to
get too far be it from us to go.Down to go on a tangent.

(05:21):
US never wouldn't do it. Well, on that note, like I don't
like this is the we don't have any notes for this one.
I'm like, I can't even be like this movie made such an impact
that like I'm like, I just don'tfeel like writing notes for it
because when you look up like the behind the scenes production
that we always do, it's like theone production note and it was

(05:43):
like was filmed back-to-back with Witch Master 4.
Yes, and the director, Criss Angel, but not that Criss Angel.
Not that Criss Angel. Not the mind freak,
unfortunately. Which?
What do you think Witch master for directed by mind freak Criss
Angel would look like a better or worse.

(06:04):
I don't know. I didn't see a Criss Angel show
when I was in Vegas one time andit was pretty entertaining.
So OK, maybe it would be good. He, he wasn't like one of those
pickup artist people too, was he?
Like, that's someone different than I'm thinking.
Like Criss Angel is just like David Copperfield, but for like

(06:25):
millennials. Yeah, he just did like, magic
show, like showy magic tricks and things.
Yeah. Got it.
That's it. So yes, I will say the the lead
from this AJ Cook like tapioca, Diane.
Diana. Right.
She would actually. Mythology.
That's right, yeah. She would go on to have like a

(06:47):
pretty solid career like couple years after this.
She's Kimberly Corman in final destination 2.
Yep, which, to be honest, some Ilast weekend, Memorial Day
weekend, I rewatched the first three final destinations and
then went to the theaters again to see bloodlines because we're
going to do a ranking episode. Yes ahead of and you know I'm

(07:11):
nothing if not like I I want to make sure that I have I'm a high
information voter Arielle yeah, I have all the I could not tell
that was her in like. She looks different.
Yeah, yeah. And like it made no, like there
was never a moment when I'm like, oh, she's in that movie
that we're covering next week. Like she's that's funny.

(07:31):
She's the lead in that. And then she would go on to like
appear in like 350 episodes of like one of the CS is it's one
of the leads. Excuse me.
So yeah, she's gone on to have like a pretty solid career like
AJ Cook. But that's really it.

(07:51):
Like this is, I'll tell you right now, listeners, like this
is going to be one of the shorter episodes we do.
Like if we hit an hour on this episode, I am it'll.
Be because we tangentes, you know.
OK, so I'm going to talk about acouple things that don't really
make sense to me. OK.

(08:13):
And so OK, I think. Pertaining to the movie or.
Just in general, yeah, pertaining to the movie.
So we, we cover franchises, right?
That's our key. And so, right, just confirming,
we often see franchises run intothis problem of how do you not

(08:36):
make the same movie over and over again?
Like how do you keep it different enough but in the same
world? These guys don't seem to have
that problem. They're not thinking.
About that, no, they're not too worried.
And honestly, like with the world we've set up with the Gin,
it's hard not to make the same formula again where somebody
accidentally lets it out and then they have to find the right

(08:59):
wish or the right move to like, wish him back away.
But, and so I'm like, OK, I get that we could watch different
versions of that over and over again, but the lore doesn't
really seem to hold throughout. Like, what counts as a wish
changes in each movie. What the Jin's goal is seems to

(09:21):
change in each movie. And that's, you know, that's OK.
Like, this is a not, you know, literature.
But it's just kind of hard to get my hooks in because I'm kind
of like, I don't know what you're doing.
And at the beginning of this movie.
So at the end of two, he's thwarted trying to get all the

(09:44):
souls in Vegas because he needs 1000 souls.
He doesn't even need 1000 souls.It doesn't seem like it because
like, it just seems like he would like them, right?
Do you know what I mean? He's.
He's a collector. He's he has set a goal for
himself. It's like I try to get 10,000
steps a day in. Right, Jin tries to get 1000

(10:05):
souls. Yeah, that's what it seems like.
I don't think it's like. It's an arbitrary number like.
He doesn't. Necessarily need like it's he
doesn't need 1000 souls in orderto achieve his plan.
Let's put it this way like maybeit it like powers him up.
It's like or do you play video? Not as much.
OK, Did you used to play video games?

(10:28):
I'm like not very good at them, but I am familiar.
So do you know how, like, you'llplay like an open world, like a
Zelda role-playing game? Yeah.
And they have all the side quests or it's like you have to
find 400 gold or like 400 rubiesand they're scattered all
throughout Hyrule and just probably not part of, I haven't

(10:52):
played Zeldrin forever. But like it's like one of those
things where like you get a little trophy for doing it and
you'll beat the main quest, but then keep playing the game
because you want to. Like like Spider Man is like one
of those where it's like I've beaten the main game, but
there's like 100 locations in New York that you can
photograph. And then you get a trophy saying

(11:14):
achievement unlocked. That's what it feels like.
The collecting 1000 souls is forthe Gin.
Yes. So I don't understand why like
when he wakes up at the beginning of three, wouldn't he
just go straight back to Vegas? Like that plan was working
pretty good. Yeah.
But he does. Posit this is not the same gin.

(11:36):
Yeah, OK. You think this is a different
gin? I think it's a different.
Gin, OK, I can get on board withthat.
Not just because it's a different actor.
Like that's the obvious, yeah, easy answer.
But I would go so far as to say that, like, all of the jinns
have the same primary goal. Like, we want to unleash hell on

(11:59):
Earth. Yeah, we want to do that by
granting like 3 wishes to one person.
And once we do that, all the jinn come.
So all of them have medicine. They're all on a team working
towards the same goal. But like every team, they might
have like different strengths and weaknesses and ways of

(12:20):
getting there. I would almost pause it.
This is almost like a baby gin or a much younger Gin.
Because you see early on, like when the original professor
comes in, like when he comes into the fray and he sees the
gin and gin form, the professor is like, I want like the two

(12:43):
most beautiful women in the world to come in right now and
fall in love with me. And they come in in the first
couple movies. Like when you would make that
way when someone would make the wish, the gin would be very
playful in terms of like how that what should be granted.
Like in Part 2. He's like, I want my lawyer to
go fuck himself. He's like, OK, well, he

(13:05):
literally goes fucking fucks himself.
Yeah. When Kane hotter is like, I
would love to see you try to go right through me.
And he turns him into this like pane of glass that he can easily
walk through. Like the gin is really clever
and the gin is really playful. He's got a sense of humor.
He's like the house with when the pit boss in like the Don

(13:28):
Rickles character of casino, except in Wishmaster 2 when he's
like, Oh yeah, the house wants the people to win.
It's like, oh, that's what you wish.
Absolutely. The house and you'll hear like
Wishmaster 2, I think set the legal precedent for Citizens
United, which is a, which is a Supreme Court decision that is

(13:50):
like rot, tremendous destructionupon the United States.
Because my theory is this like the house is, it's the building,
it's the casino. The house is not like a.
It's not a corporal entity. Right, the House has an idea.
Exactly. Yeah, it can't.
It's like an LLC. It can't actually wish anything.

(14:15):
If you said the board of directors wishes that everybody
is now you're cooking, well you're saying the House wins.
So my theory is like when Citizens United was being
argued, you could enter Wishmaster 2 into legal
proceedings and say because the House is able to grant A wish or

(14:38):
make a wish at the Jinn, then had to grant.
It is now like we have legal precedent.
And therefore, like Mitt Romney once said, corporations are
people too, right? And now ICE is coming for your
mother's. I mean, that's just the world we
live in now and. You know, it's all connected.
It's all connected and pretty soon we're going to have dogs

(15:02):
making wishes and the gin's going to grant those.
Everything about dogs later we'll talk about I'll tell you
about the existential crisis that covering this series has
sparked to me. But anyway, when the when this
gin grants wishes, they they're not really playful and they're
not really, you know, the two women come in and they fall in

(15:25):
love with him and then they eat him.
And it's like, that's not reallya play on anything.
It's just like you created beautiful zombies that eat
people. Yeah, there's no pun this this
movie has the sex like this is the entry in the franchise that
gets its tits out. And that was the primary purpose

(15:46):
of that wish. There was no there.
There was no word play for the Jin to laugh at for himself.
Yeah, yeah, the first film had aton of smoking.
Like that was a device in the first film.
The second film had like gambling, yes ever in the
casino. This one is like tits out,

(16:08):
titties out. Like you said, you know, whip
out Wednesday. That would have been a thing in
2001. Maybe.
Chris Angel, the director, was ahuge Opie, Opie and Anthony fan.
Maybe. He was like I really like Whip
out Wednesdays and Oh my God I had not thought of that
literally in 30 and I was never an Opie Anthony fan.

(16:29):
Like the shit. And yet I can't remember the
name of the judge who was a Puffy character.
A show that I probably watched more than any show ever and I
that I can't remember. Like that is not good.
There's a new book out about how1999 and its trash culture is

(16:53):
the turning point in American history.
And it's like written as a series.
I need to buy this. And it's like.
Sounds like my damn. Peak trash culture.
Yeah, I love trash. So, and it's like how things
have kind of gone downhill sincethen.
I'm really fascinated by the arguments.
It was like Woodstock 99, Jerry Springer's it's height, the

(17:15):
height of the Attitude Era and WWE, which you know, Steve
Austin's my favorite wrestler ofall time.
Most of the Attitude Era does not hold.
Like when you go back and rewatch it, you're like, this is
bad. This is really, really bad.
Yeah, it had some fun stuff, butit's like there's a reason we
left some of that in the past. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. So, yeah, I would argue this is

(17:38):
not the same jinn and that he's even like a much more novice.
And that, like the Jinn that wasplayed by Andy Divov in the
first two films, was like higherup in the pecking order or
seniority in like kind of knew what he was doing.
Here's I like that. Yeah, here's my question for
you. If you're the Jinn and you need

(18:02):
someone to grant to ask 3 wishesin order for you to unleash hell
on earth and have all your gin buddies come, do you think the
gin who somehow knew that Houdini escaped from this thing
in 2 minutes and 12 seconds? Yeah.
Have never heard the expression that every grandmother knows.

(18:25):
Like you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Right. Because why would you be an
asshole about your wishes if youneed to grant three of them to
come on Earth? Is it Jin like is it a rule
where he you can't just grant A wish in the spirit that it's
given? Because the best way to get

(18:46):
someone to grant 3 risks is would be to just just grant them
like, and then and then you got it and then you can move on.
But like if they have to inject some sort of monkey's paw
business every time, it's going to be harder to get people on
board. Jin I don't.
Think it is. It's a PR team.
Gin is just. They're just assholes.

(19:07):
I think that might be true. And it goes above and beyond
like, well, of course they're assholes.
Like they wanna like come on to earth and like rule over
everybody. It's like, yes, but that's like,
we want power. This is just more like your
garden variety reply guy on the Internet type of asshole.
The well, actually person, the person who in the comments

(19:31):
section will be like, it's actually you, YOU apostrophe RE
as opposed to YOUR, which I'll, I'll admit I've been guilty of
that sometimes. So do you know what I mean?
I do I, I think also of that oldlike fable of the scorpion and
the frog where the scorpion kills the frog even though it

(19:52):
kills him as well. You know what I'm talking about
this one. Yeah, Yeah.
I'm like, maybe the gin just can't help himself and it's just
his nature that he must fuck around and make his own life
harder. And the professor's fascinating
because he's just such a weak character.
Oh yeah. What did you think he was?

(20:14):
Classroom management skills. Not good.
Like, no, I don't. Oh, watching college classrooms
in movies is always hilarious tome because I'm just like,
there's there's no way. And he's like way too interested
in a student. And she, I don't know if she was

(20:39):
interested in him or not. It was sort of unclear, but
yeah, inappropriate. You think Arlene?
Diana. Yeah.
OK. I don't know.
I don't know. Everybody else wanted to get
with the professor and like become his TA, which I'm like,
why are you all fighting for this TA position?
I was ATA and it doesn't affect my life in any way now.

(21:01):
Don't do that work. It's just free work that you're
doing. It's.
An beats like below an unpaid internship.
Oh yeah, it's like. With the unpaid internship, at
least you might get taken on by the company you're working for.
Yeah, right. It like you said, a different
era era when it seemed like yourprofessor would just hit on the

(21:24):
TA and people would narry Batty.And I like the problem with it
in 2001 wasn't like, hey, this guy is like 1520 years her
senior. There is like a ridiculous power
dynamic, right? And this tenured professor?
And his TA. And his TA, yeah.

(21:45):
And also it was more like, oh, she already has a boyfriend.
Like, what's going on here? Like, that's what you were
supposed to be. I don't know.
I don't feel like she was into him because he, you know, like,
invites her to dinner and it's like, we should get like, great
wine and champagne. And she's like, no, I want to go
snuggle up with my mediocre boyfriend.

(22:05):
Who she? Needs to talk to him.
See, I saw that in your notes and I thought you meant that
about the other couple. OK, I mean so.
Tell me about You're not great too.
Tell me about why she needs to dump him.
What a wet noodle of a man. I was just like, first of all,
he doesn't support her career orher goals at all.

(22:27):
And he's like, you have to work,why don't you spend time with
me? If a partner is saying that to
you while you're trying to, like, make your goals happen,
that's not, there's a more supportive way to say I'd like
to spend more time together. So #1 he's a wet noodle #2 he's
completely dismissive of all herconcerns.

(22:48):
I wrote down an inner a line because I was like, this is the
stupidest thing I've ever heard.When she finds the professor's
notebook and she's like, something happens to him and I
think I'm next. She says there was a fresh drop
of blood next to my name. And her boyfriend goes, that
could mean anything. I'm like, what?

(23:08):
No, probably not. A drop of blood can't mean
anything. It could probably mean a few
things. He's just like the most
dismissive, lame guy in the world.
And at the end, she's like, I dolove you.
And I'm like, no, you need to dump him.
Do you? Yeah, it's I felt like you,
you're right. She he's very dismissive,

(23:29):
although, I mean, removing the fact that it's a horror movie
and we're like following the ginand it's a monster.
If if our respective partners came up to us and said like,
hey, I think that I'm being stalked by millennial old genie
that wants me to wants to grant evil wishes so that all its

(23:52):
brethren can come and unleash hello in the world.
I would probably do what he doeshere, which is like gather my
friends and say we need to checkthem into like the campus
psychiatrist and just make sure they're OK.
Like we need a Wellness check. Help them get help and take
their concern. There's a way to say to a
person, I believe you that you are experiencing that you know,

(24:16):
but he's just like, Nah, forget about it and come hang out with
me instead and then. He goes, that's before this,
that's. Before, but then he's like, we
have to get her checked in somewhere.
But then he doesn't do that. And he just helps her do
research. Yeah.
And I was like, you don't even know what you're doing, dude.

(24:37):
Well, they're in the same class with one another too, and that's
part of it. So like, I don't know, that's
probably not his major, but he at least has some sort of
interest in this subject. Where he's.
Like studying it. So he could should be on board
with that. But I also like, you know, we
don't really have any sort of insight into their dynamic.
Or maybe this is like the eighthnight in a row where she's like,

(25:01):
I have to go work and he's like,come on.
And maybe the first seven times he's like, hey, cool, I know you
got a lot on your plate. That's great.
Do what you got to do. You know, like I'll go grab a
couple like discs from Blockbuster and we'll snuggle up
later on like I'll pick do some take out.

(25:22):
And by like night 8, he's like, I don't think this woman is into
me. So I'm going to break out the
big guns and tell her I love her.
Like that is like desperate. You can see the flop sweat like
coming off and she's like, I would love a MC rib right now.
Do you know, do you know when a McDonald's are bringing those

(25:43):
back? It you know, the MC rib, you can
never be sure because it just has to do with the price of
pork. They bring it back when the
price of pork is good, and that's a hard thing to predict.
And they're always like, this isthe last time we do the MC rib.
Right. Never, ever do it.
You know what I I learned is that McDonald's you can get a
birthday cake. I have heard that, yeah.

(26:05):
Do we know anyone who's done it for real?
Because. I wonder.
If it's real, OK. I've seen a video of it and it
was done by like this. Like seemingly nice, no need to
lie dude, just like you pull in you.
I think it's 30 bucks. So I don't think it's like this
cheap. You know, you get like a slice

(26:27):
of cake. It's like a full on.
It's like a sheet sheet. Birthday cake, Yeah.
Listeners, can you comment belowon the episode please on Spotify
and tell us if you have gotten acake from McDonald's because I
really am interested in this. It didn't look like they
verified his birthday either, sowasn't like something where you
had to go in. I guess you could say like, hey,

(26:48):
it's for my kid or it's for my wife or whatever.
You know anybody can buy a birthday cake.
There's no law. Yeah, You know, it's like, yeah,
you should be able because they have birthday cake ice cream,
which is one of my favorite flavors.
I love birthday cake flavors, anything.
Yeah, Can you imagine if they try to enforce?

(27:09):
And it is Trump's America, so that's probably coming where
it's like, oh, you like birthdaycake flavored anything.
Well, you can now only order it on your birthday.
Like that is the law. Will that be will that be what
pushes this country into a riot?I don't think you it will.
OK. I don't think it will.

(27:29):
I mean if getting your parents thrown off healthcare and
letting them like die poor in the streets isn't enough then.
But maybe it's one of those things where like, first they
came from my parents and I didn't say anything, but then
they came from my birthday cake and you can't take my birthday
cake. And I never got birthday cake as
a kid because my parents sucked and that's why I was OK with.

(27:50):
That maybe you'll you'll have people posting profile pictures
of them holding cake saying comeand take it.
Yeah, I literally don't know what it would take to have blood
run in the streets at this point.
I don't don't know what it wouldbe.
I honestly think it might have to be if they sum because
there's always these whispers oflike banning things like

(28:12):
Pornhub. And I'm not being facetious, I'm
thinking like something. I do think that.
Some level of that might be you would just see like young men 13
to 40 rise up en masse like you've never seen before.
Yeah. And it would be like that would
be the next Captain America movie.

(28:34):
Like Steve Rogers gathering all young men in order to like save
Pornhub. Like that literally would be
what would get. People that might be that might
be the. Thing so can I tell you my
existential crisis that this movie is this series is spark.
Yes, I'm a little nervous, but go for it.
Couple of things. I was texting with a good friend
of mine yesterday. Like she and I, like we've been

(28:56):
friends for like 30 something years And it was like we, my
daughter and I weren't like a like a little like a vintage
fair at BU. And it's a really nice
afternoon, even though it was a little bit drizzly.
And I was starting to think we're covering this series of a
that the gin is like this eternal creature.
We said this in the first first film where like our guest John

(29:19):
was like, well, I would get I would wish for something like I
want to live forever and then besent back to like the moment of
The Big Bang. And right before the printing
press. Before the printing press.
Thank you if we ever do merch. Yeah.
Thank God for the printing press, But I'm like it.

(29:42):
I started to think, I'm 50, and I'm like, you know, my friend
had texted, like, man, I can't believe where the time is gone.
And I'm like, yeah. And I sometimes do math in my
head, like, what's left? And it's a weird thought to
have, like, how many good years are there?
And then I'm like, well, if there's life after this or if
there's something at which I do think there is, there's
something after this, I'm like, would that get boring?

(30:06):
Yeah. Would eternity get boring for a
couple reasons. Like what if there's capitalism
and eternity in, in eternity? Like what if like Jesus in
Buddha and Confucius in, in Muhammad?
What if they're like CFOs up there and Jesus is like, you are
like, I have an industry to run.I have these like footprints

(30:27):
poems. They got to go in the frames.
Your job is to put the picture in the frame for all eternity
because you're a nice guy. We're not going to send you to
hell. But you made some really off
color jokes on your podcast so you don't get too good of a job
like that Would get like in a certain point, Like I'm like, if

(30:47):
there's movies, I think I'd be OK.
Like can you dial up any movie at any time in a comfy chair
with your soda and popcorn? Like that seems nice.
I can do that for eternity for sure.
I hate to say this, this is going to get me in trouble.

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My wife and I have been married for 20 years.
I love her. Cannot see ever being with
anybody else. But after say 5 million years in
eternity. Like if you if you go to heaven
and you reunite with all your loved ones.
Yeah. At a certain point, do you go,
you know I'm good. We know everything about each

(31:29):
other. We have nothing really new to
say anymore. Yeah.
Good. Like what happens?
Like is she still going to give me chore lists in eternity like
she does Like every day, it's just part of who she is.
And it's the same things I do every day anyway, like dishes,

(31:51):
laundry, garbage, recycling. And I'm like already on it.
It's already like, I've done it before you even woken up.
Like, they're already finished. You don't need to write me the
list. Just as who she is.
Like, if it's 7 billion years into eternity, at what point do
I snap? Like, I started to get really
freaked out in the middle of this, like, clothing fair at

(32:17):
Boston University. I'm like, Oh my God.
Like, what is my afterlife goingto look like?
So yeah. You know, I don't think the
Wishmaster franchise was meant to.
I don't spark all of this. Have you watched the show The
Good Place? I watched the first two or three
seasons, first two seasons. OK, the I think there's Four

(32:40):
Seasons, maybe there is. The last season explores this
idea of like, what is eternity? How would it feel to really
exist forever? And I really, really like the
exploration of it. So if you ever go back to it,
you might find something easy there.
I love Kristen Bell. Yeah, I like, I like Michael

(33:00):
Shore comedy, so I should just finish it.
I even thought like, I love my dog and I'm like, well, I got to
spend eternally with my dog. But then I'm like, but she's so
anxious and I can never even eata meal without her just staring
and shaking and being like, giveme your sausage.
And I'm like, is that going to get after a bit?
I'm like 10,000 years of that would get old.

(33:25):
May maybe dude, I I don't know. I have a headache now I'm so
freaked freaking out. Are you?
You know, this maybe is more of a function of just staring at
life in the world these days than it is the Wissmaster

(33:45):
franchise. Moving on, kind of similar, like
when did this movie become superChristian?
Like all of a sudden it's like you have this like, yeah, it's
like, what if, and hear me out, you know, instead of having this
like other cultural monster thatwe can explore and go into the

(34:06):
lore and depth on. And maybe and you know, this is
probably not the one that's going to handle it with the
highest level of sensitivity. But what if we introduce the
Archangel of Michael, like Jesuswarrior, my God, to this.
Yes. And what you know.
And we make the wet noodle of a boyfriend, the Archangel of.

(34:30):
Michael, I was so thrown off when she pulls an Angel out of
her ass essentially because nothing in the 1st 2 movies
prepared me that an Angel would fight the djinn and none of the
lore. In the third movie up to the
moment she doesn't suggest that this would be a good idea.

(34:51):
She happens to find herself in achurch, sees a stained glass
window, presumably of Michael, and is like, I choose you,
Pikachu. I want Michael the Archangel
here with me with his sword. And I've got Angel logistics
questions like why does he have to take over a body?

(35:14):
Why does he have to get in a car?
He gets in a car and I'm like OKso if he is bound by the
restrictions of a human body while he's in a human body, then
why is he a good one to fight the jinn?
Like that doesn't make him a useful adversary towards the
Jinn. What sort of mode of

(35:35):
transportation would you prefer?Can he's fucking a magic?
He's an Angel. Like can he fly?
Can he do anything more useful than show up with a sword that
Diana can't even have until she decides to kill herself?
Like I feel like this Angel was nothing but like I don't know

(35:55):
where the idea came from to include this Angel and it
doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
Well, good thing there's a lot of like, production notes behind
this. Oh, there's not.
Oh. No, in this movie, we'll never
know. Well, we see the end of the
movie, like, he goes from the top of the roof to, like, where
Diana's, like, laying kind of, you know, dying on the ground.

(36:18):
Yeah. So like, you can teleport, it
seems, or cover large distances quickly and safely.
Yeah. So he's not riding the bus.
Like, it would be worse if like,if like they were on the bus,
like, wait a minute, I don't have my transfer ticket.
And then he just gets stranded. He's doing that would be worse

(36:40):
at the bus stop where you look down the street and you're
waiting for the bus to come and you're just leaning out, looking
down the street like be more useful, dude.
Now the reason they had to put him in the car is so that we
could have the car crash that looks exactly like the car crash
at the beginning of the movie, damn near down to the like inch.
You know what? That was one of my mental notes

(37:03):
that I would have written down if I took notes.
Did the witchmaster series is itdid it like did a 24 look at
like the first wishmaster in this wishmaster and go trauma
horror? Trauma.
Yeah, because like in the first movie, you know, our lead, our
heroine, like, her parents have died in a fire.

(37:24):
And in this movie, the parents die in a car accident that that
she kind of causes by being a snotty little brat.
And she just can't, like, you know, so the parents have to do
some parenting. And Dad's not looking at the
road. And, you know, they get what
they deserve for being bad parents.
There, I said it. There, I said it.

(37:46):
Yikes on bikes. And This is why for eternity I'm
just putting those pictures and picture frames.
That is why. Oh man, shout out to everybody's
mom in the 90s who had that Footprints poem in her bathroom.
Yeah. My grandmother had the and this

(38:08):
really fucked with my head when I was young.
May May you get to heaven an hour before the devil knows
you're dead. And that really freaked.
Me out. Is she Irish?
That's an Irish Irish. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah.
No, she was Italian. She was Sedoya, but my
grandfather was Irish. But yeah, that is that was you

(38:29):
see that as a 5 year old and you're like, I don't how does
that work? Like what would they do?
How? Can I make sure like is that
the? Plot Is that the plot of Sam
Raimis drag me to hell? Like is this so?
Yes, yeah. But I think like a 24 sees this
and they're like what if we did this but spent more than like

(38:52):
$175 in Canadian currency to make this work?
And then you have like hereditary, you have St.
Maude, you have you have bring her back which.
Yeah. So good.
I'm excited to see it. Not a spoiler.

(39:16):
I don't want to know anything. I I wouldn't completely blind,
I'll just say in terms of a reaction, like Sinners is the
best movie of the year, Bring Her Back might be the best
horror movie of the year. OK.
Like there were moments in that movie that I visibly cringed and
gasped and recoiled, which neverhappens to me anymore.

(39:37):
And I think you have more of a stomach for it than I do, and
I'd be really interested. I can't wait to see it.
Didn't know a single thing aboutit either before heading in, and
I loved it. And Devon, who if he were here,
would say right now, yeah, it was a movie.
So that was his reaction. The ugly step sister almost made

(39:59):
me throw up. That's how we watched it.
Yet that's what I haven't seen yet.
It almost made me throw up. My top ten right now, like if
the year ended right now, would be maybe better than almost any
top ten I've had in five years with half a year left.
That's. Awesome.
It's been it's an incredible time to be.

(40:20):
This was the other existential crime.
Like two things happen like the other existential crisis.
I'm like, there have been some incredible movies like you just
mentioned Ugly Step Sister. Yeah.
Friendship, which I howled. I want to see that.
That looks awesome. Ada just started yelling at the
screen, like, what was this? What did we watch?

(40:40):
She started screaming in a panic, like, it's yeah, bring
her back. And there's stuff that's coming
out that looks amazing together,looks unbelievable.
You really liked the monkey? I loved the monkey.
I thought the monkey was great. And you.
Yeah. Final destination.

(41:01):
None of these movies which we'recovering on the main feed except
the format of the show, right? And I'm like, what are we doing
here? Like why are we we're?
Covering Wishmaster 3 and when will Michael?
Why are we covered? Wishmaster 3 And and then I
thought like, because I don't, you know, like I the joke is
like we've had guesses of like, why don't you promote this show

(41:22):
more? And I'm like, I don't know, like
I'm just not a big like I'm working 60 hours a week and
being a dad and I don't like social media.
Then I thought like I would end the show tomorrow if it meant
listen this is. I would.
I'm listening. I'm just I.
Think this is a good thing? I would end the show tomorrow.
I would turn this car around andI.

(41:46):
Would flip this car and kill thefamily.
Oh my God, and then see them in eternity.
Well, do my little job of putting the Jesus pictures in.
I would end the show tomorrow ifit meant that every week we as a
group and maybe not the same of us, it could like we do the
show. Some weeks it's you, me and
Devon. Some of the weeks it's you, Ryan

(42:09):
Stevens. Some weeks like Rachel and Jess
or Nicole jump in, you know, like that who we went to a
movie, we got a beer or a dinnertogether or went to my house and
I grilled burgers and we sat down and just like talked about
the movies in person together and never hit record on a
button. It was just like I would much

(42:31):
rather like friendship actually sparked that like like which is
what I did in 2002. Like when this movie was out,
like every week friends came over to watch horror movies.
We grilled, we talked about movies and then that just kind
of goes away and now we pop. I would end the shadow.
I love our listeners. You're awesome, you're amazing.

(42:52):
I would like more of you so my ego, but at the end of the day,
I would much rather like meet people in person, if that makes
sense. So that is like the other part
of the but I cannot see us if weall were like next door
neighbors saying like let's get together, grill a bunch of
burgers and throw on Wishmaster 3.

(43:14):
Probably not. That is the fun thing about
podcasting is it kind of gives you an excuse to watch stuff you
wouldn't ever. And I I do like that.
No, All right. What were your thoughts about
the other couple in this? Movie.
Oh, the the Tatum and Stew allegory.
Is that Katie and Billy or that is that like who they were?

(43:35):
Yes, Katie and Billy, they're what a mess.
I thought that's when you said like, dump him.
I thought that's who you meant. Yeah, I mean, they're not great
together, but they're she. Katie seems sure of herself.
And so I was like, OK, you know what's going on?
You're fine. There's Chekov's horns, the

(43:57):
horns at the beginning of the movie, The there's like a head
and then it kills someone later,so there you go.
Is Billy like 2001 guy in like distilled to its purest form?
Oh yeah, I think so. I think that was the like the

(44:18):
outline of of the male young person in 2001.
Just sort of like crass and rudeand like horny and just kind of
self absorbed. Openly talking about wanting to
like sleep with other women. Right with.
This girlfriend. Right.
You see characters like that throughout the 2000s, especially

(44:39):
in comedies, but also in horror,particularly slashers.
Yeah. Is this a slasher?
Like what would you call this I?Don't know what this is.
That's a great question. The Wishmaster franchise has a
slasher. I mean, it does have the formula
of like a group of friends and akiller and he's killing them one
by one, but the sort of supernatural element makes me

(45:04):
feel like it's not as much of A slasher.
Like I don't feel a Hellraiser is a slasher.
No, it's definitely. Not, but like I would say A
Nightmare on Elm Street is, and this is somewhere between those
two maybe. Yeah, like Elm Street is the
rare supernatural slasher that really works, I think.

(45:27):
Yes, because you're right. It's usually not, you know, And
when like the more slashers go into supernatural elements, like
as they continue on, the less successful they are.
Like you see that with Halloween.
And by the time you get to like,the Thorn trilogy, you're like,

(45:48):
the power of the runes killed the franchise.
And you get to like, you know, as as much fun as like Friday
the 13th Part 6 is Jason Lives, which is one of the highlights
of the series. I kind of feel like it's mostly
diminishing returns from there. Yeah.

(46:09):
Although I love Jason Goes to Hell, like everyone know,
because it does something different.
It does something like so different, yeah.
What were some of your other questions about Michael
Archangel? We answered the one about
transportation, but there were others.
I don't know, mostly just like why is he there?

(46:31):
And like the sword he brought isconfusing to me.
Like it just injects a bunch of lore into a bunch of unstable
lore that we already had that were now we're like, well, now
we have to keep track of more lore.
But none of it makes sense, no? I wouldn't say like it would be
kind of weird to be running around campus with a giant
sword. I don't understand this campus

(46:52):
at all. It's.
What were your thoughts on it? Well, the geography of it
doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
So it seems like the dorm is also the science building.
Like they would be in a dorm partying and then suddenly
they'd be in a science building and someone said they were like
going to go to a party, but thenit was just at the dorm they

(47:14):
were at, but it seemed like theywere leaving to go somewhere
else. And sometimes there's no other
people like other than the partyscenes.
In the classroom jumped out at me.
This campus is like, it's like, is it spring break?
Hospital. Yeah, or the Halloween H2O where
you at least you at least go farenough to say like everybody is

(47:39):
off campus for this camping triphere.
You're like, well, maybe it's spring break, but then you
remember, no, they were just in class an hour ago.
There's no people around. It's almost like they, there's
like a handheld quality to a lotof this.
And yeah, they weren't like, would it shock you if they came

(48:01):
out and said we never got permits and we just like filmed
in the wee hours of the night and it's like gorilla filmmaking
and it just kind of got picked up.
Do you know what? And I know that's not what
happened, but it's it seems. Like plausible.
Yeah, it feels like this is a movie that just tried, you know,
like, hey, little buddy, like you wanted to make a movie, a

(48:23):
good movie, and you tried reallyhard.
Good for you. Yes, good for you.
Wishmaster 3 like and it's not like wrong turn 5 is probably
like a better made movie in terms of like camera setup and
angles and shots and editing andmusic like and it looks better

(48:46):
right, like it does like this movie does have that like cheap
straight to video like almost like DV video feel to it.
Yeah, but wrong turn 5 offended me on like AI don't want to say
a moral level, but just I don't like how dare you make me sit
through this. Like this just feels like so

(49:07):
mean spirited and so terrible that like I can't believe you're
making me sit through this. Where where is like I never got
that feeling from this. It's just kind of like it's just
kind of there. This movie is sincere.
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it doesn't feel like
a cash grab in the way that somesequels feel like just a cash

(49:29):
grab. Like this movie cares about the
Gin and the Gin's lore and it wants to do stuff with that.
It's just that maybe there were too many ideas.
Maybe there weren't enough ideas.
This movie is kind of in the middle of not nailing on anyone
thing. Before I ask about John Novak,

(49:51):
is the gin in his performance? If you're Diana at the end of
this movie, I'm sorry, no, it's Jason Connery is the professor
and then John Novak is the dude of the gin Makeup, which I think
is 1 big thing that's different is like in the films, it's
Andrew Divov under the makeup aswell.

(50:14):
Yes, you know, But if you're Diana at the end of this movie,
do you want Archangel Angel Michael or do you want Greg to
come back? Like if you have to pick one,
you can't be like neither. I was going to say neither.
I guess bring Greg back because it wasn't really fair to him

(50:36):
that his soul got shoved elsewhere for a bit, but then
dump him. He's a wet noodle man.
You're a hot college student, godo something else.
Well. He's a good looking dude.
He's not an Oh my God. Bugged me Mike, I don't like
him. I want her to dump.
Him I don't disagree with. You.
He's whiny and I'm whiny about him.
You. Know he's making he's caught his

(50:59):
entitled behavior, his sense of entitlement, his sense of
entitlement to Diana's time and his lack of being able to
respect boundaries she's put up as as causing you to feel like a
certain way. I understand that.
I'll say this like, Billy does kind of redeem himself a bit
when like, he's confronted by the Jinn and he's like, you need

(51:20):
me to do what? Like, you want me to give up my
friend? He's like, yeah, fuck off.
And he knows. Like, I'm pretty fucked right
now. Yeah, Billy stays true to the
end. That's pretty.
Cool, you know, like there's might have been hope like Billy,
because I'm what was I like in the early?
I don't think I was ever that bad.
Like I was never a Billy, but like, you know, I probably had

(51:41):
some qualities back then that. Sure.
Hopefully grew out of so there'shope like maybe like Billy now
would be like you know we can wecan all change and yeah a little
bit more empathetic and and whatnot.
Jason Connery is the gin as as the gin in the human form as

(52:04):
Professor Joel Barash, fun fact,placed sixth place at the Simon
Pegg Idaho State Fair look alikecontest in 2014, so is.
That for real? Or is that a joke?
That's a total joke. Oh, OK.
Mike, you know I'm the most gullible person on this pod.

(52:25):
I was like, oh wow, that's. True.
Sorry. It's OK.
I'll tell you what though. Tell me what?
You know he was married to for agood six year.
I think he might have rubbed a lamp and been granted a little
wish. Little Mia Sarah you might known
as Sloane Peterson from. Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

(52:49):
Interesting. Like are you fucking kidding me?
Right. Like married to her and I just
learned that right now, like just clicking on this page.
Married her in 1996, divorced in2002.
Maybe this movie did it. I didn't want to suggest that I
didn't want to be the one, but here we are.

(53:13):
Do you think that like he, you know, showed her this when they
went to the world premiere screening?
Like maybe they get like the Chinese Theatre and man's for
like the one theatrical screening and they're all
excited and they dress up and they hit the red carpet and they
go and he turns to her and he's like, what did you think, honey?

(53:33):
Like light of my life. Like we've been together like
almost 10 years now. And because I wouldn't assume
they dated for a few who knows. And she just looks at him and
just shakes her head. She.
Says I wish for a divorce. Oh God and serve.
And then like a dude dressed like the gym comes and serves

(53:55):
him papers. I mean it writes.
Oh my God, That would be. Now I feel bad because
sometimes, like performers like,yeah, Google their names or the
movies they're in or there's alerts and they're going to be
like, oh, wait a minute, someone's done a pot in Witch
Master 3 and we've just made a joke of his like.
Divorce, we shouldn't do that, but but it's still pretty funny.

(54:18):
It was pretty well put together.It's still pretty funny.
Big step down. I agree there's no from Andrew
Dibboff. Like there's just no way of
like. I think just.
Noise in is what hurts it because I think.
It's not bad. No, not at all.
If the first two wishmasters didn't exist and this was the

(54:41):
Wishmaster that we know. Totally fine villain.
He's shmarmy. He's a little more sleazy than
the Andrew Devoff version. Much more.
So so like he's a good villain and he does the the Wishmaster
thing. It's just that Division off is
so good and we get 2 movies to just luxuriate in that

(55:02):
experience that the comparison really knocks it down here.
No, it's, you know, and they, I think, you know, the film makers
do something smart where they'relike, OK, we're going to get a
British villain because yeah, atthe end of the day, like when
you can get like the Brits, theyplay phenomenal villains.
Yes. Just kind of looking at his IMDb

(55:27):
or his career. Holy cow has.
He done a lot. Gonna feel stupid for not for we
we we kind of lead with a big one in terms of his spouse.
Uh huh. I want you to go to his
Wikipedia right now. All right.
His Wikipedia is Jason Connery. Jason Connery, go ahead and

(55:52):
click on that right now. I'll wait.
And listeners, you wait, OK? You said his Wikipedia, not his
IMDb. His Wikipedia.
OK. You see the picture of him?
He's at a convention. OK, it looks like.
Scroll down. Oh.
My God. Well.

(56:14):
That's Sean Connery's son. He's Sean Connery's son.
Mr. James Bond himself. I mean, I guess I didn't put
that together. We were today days old.
We learned it, the gin in Witch Master 3 now.
Hmm. Sean Connery was not above
slapping people. Right.

(56:35):
Famously bragged about it. Yeah, do you think he slapped
his kid for the? Appearing in this.
Movie like how dare oh appear and disgrace the family name.
For this movie, no. I think he probably smacked his
kid for all types of other reasons, but probably not for.
Being in a movie. Yeah, you know, yeah.
Calling them fries instead of chips.

(56:56):
Right. And you're.
Getting too American, things like that.
So. Heck, we didn't even put Connery
together. My goodness did not even.
This is the hard hitting facts you come to the pod in the
pendulum, but this is. Where we usually do really well.
Like I know we did not. Usually listen like we are all
over this and we just could not because it's just this just with

(57:20):
this movie inspires you. Know Yep yeah, we.
Just couldn't be asked on about it, you know, Certainly I don't,
I don't think we're going to topour on the spot realization that
Jason Connery is the son of SeanConnery.
Probably don't. Really have much else to add.
No. About this movie.

(57:41):
I think, I think we can. We can end on a high note with
that call every day. We got not one, but two
existential crises. Yeah, congratulations.
On those. So Ari, where can folks find you
and what do you want to plug? Yes, so you can find me on all
the socials at RE under score Hellraiser and I'm here to set

(58:04):
the record straight publicly because in the first talk about
this, yes, in the first Wistmaster episode, which I was
not on, it was speculated that I've seen all the Hellraiser
movies, which is a fair piece ofspeculation.
It is not true. I've only seen the first 3,
which I like very much. I look forward to the day I

(58:24):
actually watch them all the way through and have my hot myself a
hot sun and bite summer. But the reason my nail.
One of our listeners is really. He's leaning in.
I love. It I feel like I'm letting him
down by not. I'm like, no, we're not doing
he. Knows he knows, but he's still
having he does yeah, he and I talked about it but he's he's

(58:47):
having a hot sun and bite summeranyway so.
He's having one on his. Own yes, yes, I might join him
just for solidarity's sake. But no, my name is Arie
Hellraiser because my governmentname is Arielle, which sounds
like Arielle and it writes itself for an online persona.
I have never said I've seen all the Hellraisers.

(59:08):
OK, you never came out and explicitly said I have seen all
the hell raisers, but because I did a legit double take when you
post that on the slack, like I was like, are you kidding?
And I think the phrase I used islike, you have committed a great
fraud. Yeah, I feel like I have been

(59:30):
defrauded. Like like I.
Feel like that's on you buddy. I never.
But here's the thing though. You have been the one that has
requested repeatedly for us to do.
How raised are the franchise, despite the fact that you know
how my feelings about it? It's because of your feelings.

(59:51):
But then I thought, like, are she and Devon in cahoots?
Like, do they want to break me? Because I'll say this like,
listeners, May's been really tough.
Like I've had a couple level. Things have come up that have
made made tough. Just got to get like, it's just
mostly work stuff that we get tomuddle through and I'm like, are
Ariel and Devon trying to kill me?

(01:00:13):
We really are not are. You sure?
I would you tell me. Would you tell me if you were?
Mike, do you think I could hide something like that?
Well, you won't admit to crimes you have committed.
I've. Admitted to crimes on this
podcast. They are recorded for posterity.
I have. To I don't remember.
Them. OK, well, I'm not admitting
again. I did it once, listeners.

(01:00:33):
No, no, The thing is one of the first things, really.
And Hellraiser's in the name it is.
I think Ari Hell things sounds better than Ari Hellraiser.
I don't want to just be Ari Hellon socials.
That's OK. That's that's your choice.
Hey, your name, your choice. One of the.
First things, your decisions. You said to me when I started on

(01:00:56):
this podcast was we will never do Hellraiser, and I said bet.
You said challenge accepted. Right.
So that's kind of where that hascome from.
Are we going to do, because starting in July, we're going to
do the Back to the Future movieswe're going to do for Patreon
for the Patrons? Yeah.
And then we add the idea of, allright, we'll do Hellraiser, but

(01:01:19):
what we'll do is like one a month and we'll do like the
first one on the main feed. And then we'll do one a month on
the Patreon page and then maybe the last one on the main feed,
the Hulu one. And then listeners can go ahead

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and like for 2 bucks to get access to all the hell raisers
at that point, which I think is fair, like, and we'll do like
the deep, deep dives as much as we can.
I think we're going to run into a few of them where it's going
to be not necessarily super easyto get a lot of background
stuff. Like the background will be this
was a script written for a different movie and the wine

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scene said make it a hell raisermovie and Doug Bradley showed up
for four days and put a check inhis hand and that will be the
background. I don't know.
Is that what we're going to do? I suppose.
I mean, it's we can, I'm down. I kind of feel like we buried
the lead by saying like coming in July, like Back to the
Future, like that's the next thing we'll do for them.

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Like one of the greatest. The sequels are good.
I mean, like 2 is really weird and three is shouldn't exist.
It's, you know, it's not that good, but the first Back to the
Future is perfect. Yeah.
Perfect. I don't know if you'll be on
though, so I'll ask you this question.
You can only keep one Back to the Future.

(01:02:50):
Like one movie Back to the Future or Hellraiser or Witch
Master Three. No Back to the Future or
Ghostbusters. Back to the Future.
Back to the future, same. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. Yep.
And it's not even a hard choice.And I love Ghostbusters.
Yeah, super easy choice for me, yeah.
It's very good. Maybe you will be on that one

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because that was such an easy choice.
So who knows? We'll see.
Did you? I don't have anything to plug
really. The audiobook.
Oh yeah, why do you remember my shit better than me?
Yeah, Millennial Nasties has an audiobook now, so you can choose
your own adventure. You can do hardcover, paperback,

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ebook or audiobook if that is your thing.
So the audiobooks only availablethrough Amazon so you know
them's the brakes, but it is there so you can get it if you
want there. You.
Go strong plug. I know it's hard to plug your
own stuff. I mean, it is.
It is. It's like you don't.

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Yeah, I get that. But it is a tremendous book and
it's such a good read. So I was like fortunate enough
to read like an advanced copy ofit And like listeners, it should
be on your shelf or it should bein your, if you have Audible,
like it should be in your Audible file.
Like a good, I would say a good beach read.
Like, you know, it's one of those books you can pick up, do

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a chapter when you're out by thepool or on the beach, you know,
take a dive and then come back. So, you know, like it should
definitely be out there. And I did not read it, so you
don't have to listen to my voiceanymore.
No, it's. Charles Nelson Reilly.
Right. Should be incredible if you
could have gotten No, it's who is who reads it.

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It's a woman named Megan who's on staff with Encycle
Apocalypse. She's perfect.
She is from, I think she's originally from Chicago and so
she even has a similar accent tomine so.
Excellent. All great, fantastic, fantastic.
Well, listeners. Oh, we didn't even do our
housekeeping at the beginning. Oh yeah, What are we this?

(01:04:56):
We're a mess. Today guys, it has been.
I took like a three day weekend so I could go to the movies on
Friday for bring her back in Karate Kids LED.
I thought the new Wes Anderson was out but it's not out here
until next week but I did. I wanted to do 3 movies but I
did see Karate Kid Legends whicha lot of fun but don't reinvent

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the wheel. I will say that Joshua Jackson
is giving Josh Hartnett a run for the like holy shit that Josh
aged really fucking well. Run for the money.
Like he looks really good in themovie and good.
For him. Yeah, I texted what?
I'm a Co host from a show I usedto do who was having like not

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the best day and I'm like saw you weren't having a great day.
I thought this information wouldcheer you up but she's like
thank you. It does.
Didn't even know he was in it. Anyway, if you like our
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Somebody leave a. Comment Yeah, they were just
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It's like the reverse of the mist where there's like the
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That was a fun episode. Yeah, it always is Brian and as

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as my therapist as I sit here and I'm just like, I'm going to
die one day. And what if I have to like help
Jesus run his corporation by putting pictures in?
Like, I don't know, I just and listeners, I don't know.
Here's what's coming up. We got one more Wishmaster
movie, which we're going to kindof get through.
And then we have two really fun episodes planned.

(01:07:57):
Final Destination Bloodlines, which a lot of people are saying
is the best one in the franchise.
I don't know if I would go that far, but it is a lot of fun.
It is an absolute hoot. I've seen it twice, first time
with the raucous crowd that about midway through the movie
realized, oh, this is a comedy like this is not a horror movie.

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This is a flat out comedy. It's great.
Can't wait to talk about it. And then we're going to do
because now that we're six entries in I am, are you, are
you shocked at how well have youseen Bloodlines?
Yes. OK, where are you on it?
Good, bad. In the middle.
I'm in the middle on it. I didn't want to.

(01:08:39):
I didn't want to break your spirit by doing Devon's, so I
like. Devon, who would be like, oh,
you love that movie? I thought it was garbage.
It's funny because like, Devon'sletterbox review was almost
exactly my thoughts on that. OK, so he and I are aligned on
that. OK.
I feel like I have the people onmy side on this one.
Yeah, I will say the second timeI saw it, it's like, all right,

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There are parts that drag and the lead, the lead in it is like
super boring. Like she is like super, not a
lot. And also people get over death
like very quickly in that movie.Like, yeah.
Like we just buried mom, let's go have a BBQ.
Like what are we doing here? But I guess that human sized

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Jenga blocks aren't going to play themselves.
That's true. But we're going to on that note
where after we cover Bloodlines,we are going to rank all of the
Final Destination films and go one through 6, although you know
there's going to be a 7 like they've made over 100.
Yeah. Domestically, I feel like I've

(01:09:47):
said this before, it's the best franchise of the first decade of
the 2000s. Like it's the most.
Consistent and I know like it's that or so in terms of what they
are and I know where you are you're like saw city, but I just
I don't know it's it never wavers from the formula.
It knows what it is. It's we're going to also not

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only rank the films, but also the opening set pieces.
We're not going to do every death.
Oh, I like that. Yeah, we're just going to do
like the opening set pieces. And that'll be good.
After that, we have the Romero film.
It's the Summer of George. We're going to be covering all
six of Romero's Living Dead movies.

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But that is when we'll get back to, like, insanely long,
ridiculously researched, meticulous.
Yeah. So this is the calm before the
storm. Truly.
So we'll be covering all of Romero's films.
And then in addition, because apparently I said sure, we
should do that, Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, which is a

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terrific and probably his best movie, and also Tom Savini's
1990 remake of Night of the Living Dead, so.
Yeah, you did they? I did.
I did say it, so I can't really.You can change your mind.
No, but it's not fair. It's not, you know, you guys are

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giving me your time. And if that's a movie and like
we, you know, like we, it's technically not part of the
Romero franchise, but like, are they going to throw me in prison
for this, Like. They're going to put you in
podcast jail? Oh my God.
Are they going to do that? So that's really, I really want
a place to talk about friendshipthough, because that movie, God

(01:11:38):
damn, that movie rules. I mean, you can put anything you
want on the show. I know you can do.
A friendship. Box Yeah, find something.
Oh, and then we got to figure something out for episode 300,
which I've pitched top 25 horrormovies of the 1st 25 year, like
2000 to 2024, so we don't have arecency.

(01:12:02):
Oh yes. Yeah, we just do 25 movies.
You don't do 25 each. And let's see what kind of
bloodbath we can get. Oh, that if we're not, if we're
not doing 25 each. That did send a cold chill down
my spine. We have to agree on something.
Can't be Saw ones. This can't be all 10 Saw movies.
That's kind of what I was gonna do, Mike.

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Yeah. I know, yeah.
And then all the hell raisers that came out.
Yes. That is it listeners.
All right. We hope you have enjoyed this
episode. We got loose, we cut it short.
Kind of fun. Yeah.
Did we talk about this movie at all?
Maybe. We did.
We sure did. We said all types of things.

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Sure we did. All right, I'm going to go fire
up the BBQ. All right, have.
A great one everywhere.