WRONG TURN 2: DEAD END

Mike and Devaughn are on hand to talk a straight to video follow-up that just might improve on the original. Director Joe Lynch shot right out of the gate with a nasty, gory, funny splatter film that has the feel of an over-the-top 80s sequel while still being grounded in its own moment in time. Henry Rollins leads a rag-tag crew of wanna be stars into the woods for a survivalist reality TV series, only for the cast and crew to be hunted down by Three Fingers and more of his hillbilly mutant family members. Featuring fantastic practical gore, over 300 gallons of fake blood and some terrific set pieces, Wrong Turn 2 may be the fan favorite of the bunch.

Episode Transcript

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None. Hey there, everybody.
And welcome to the pod and the Pendulum.
It is a show that covers all of the horror movie franchises, one
movie, 1 episode at a time. As always, I'm your host, Mike's
Noonian and a ride and shotgun today with me.
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Mr. Devon Taylor. Devon, how are we?

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I'm doing fantastic and I can let everyone rest assured I have
never pig fucked a pig in my life.
Not once. Can I make that guarantee?
I am from Missouri so I don't know fact or fiction, Mike.
You know, I'm going to plead the5th right now.
I am going to plead the 5th. I'm also going to look at my

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levels a little bit because it looks like I am topping out a
little so. Yeah, you work.
And we're good, much better, much more than Norm.
Well, we are here today to talk about Wrong Turn 2 Dead end of
the directorial debut of 1 Joel Lynch starring Mr. Henry

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Rollins, Texas Battle and Blair Witch 2's own Erika Lear has
Alierson in a fun movie. I think like a really fun direct
video horror movie from the odds.
I would definitely say it's better than the first one in
pretty much every regard. Every regard.

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Oh yeah, no, totally. I'm not gonna lie, first one's
kind of boring. I rewatched it when I rewatched
it the other day. So this is, besides seeing the
first one, this is all these other ones will be first time
watches. So I've never really had much of
an interest in this franchise. But yeah.
So I rewatched the first one andI was like, yeah, I don't know.
It's because it's the first one is weird in that it's tone.

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It can't decide on what the movie is going to be because
it's like it's not silly enough to be fun, but it's also like
doesn't go hard enough to be like super serious either.
So it's like kind of in this like interesting like spot.
I found it fascinating 'cause it's like I would say that Wrong
Turn 2003 better than the original Hills Have Eyes, but

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Alexander Aja's Hills Have Eyes remake is better than any of the
Wrong Turn movies, if that makessense.
You are like we're not even 3 minutes in and the hot takes
you're just spitting them out like a.
Lot of people love Alexandra, his remake and like yes we know
Wes Craven's Wes Craven's a master and all, but his his

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Hills Have Eyes isn't that isn'treally that good.
Saying that wrong turn is betterthan it hills have eyes, but
then also saying that wrong turnkind of sucks.
Like I would say those are to like you're coming in Boston's
own Eliza Dushku pretty hard. And if you come after one, she
is, You come after one Bostonian.

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You come at us all right now, myfriend, so.
You better put your white tank top on then if you're if you're
coming for me and if you're going to represent Eliza Dushku.
My wife's just Oh yeah, we we had the episode hasn't posted as
we record this, but we had the white girls in white tank top
discussion and Ariel did like the holy trilogy of like girls

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final girls in white tank tops. So that'll you'll enjoy that
when we discuss that. Oh yeah, I was sifting through
them the other day. You got a home girl from House
of Wax. You got Jessica Biel in Texas
Chainsaw J Law in House on the End of the Road.
People forgot about that one, but she's rocking the white tank
top in that one as well. She was not mentioned.

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So you're adding to that one there.
You're adding to the Canon there.
I think also I want to say Elizaor Eliza Alicia Cuthbert, who
was in 24 from House of Wax, which you mentioned.
So yeah, you're right. So the the holy foursome there,
that was quite the look back in the day.

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So what is it? So I would say that the first
wrong turn, you're right in thatit's like it wants to straddle
that line of 70s exploitation movie and it doesn't go like
super, super hard to remember like Texas Chainsaw Massacre is,

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which I consider the greatest horror movie of all time.
It's not necessarily the most graphic horror movies.
So actually a lot of restraint shown in that movie and to a
pretty large degree like Wrong Turn, the original shows a fair
amount of restraint, especially when you consider what's coming

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right around the corner in 2004,2005 with movies like Saw, Saw,
two in particular, Hostile, WolfCreek, Devil's Rejects.
Those are movies that, well, I kind of like talk about that as
we maybe talk about this movie alittle bit.
Those are movies that I would say like go very hard when it

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comes to like being very explicit and out there.
Yeah, definitely. And the the first wrong turn
like somewhat of yeah, definitely a little bit of a
precursor to that because yeah, you'd, it's definitely, you
don't think about it in that category of millennial nasty as
I'd say. But they're they're they're
right there in kind of the thickof it.

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And yeah, definitely funny that you brought up Texas Chainsaw
Masker already, because this is Joe Lynch literally doing that.
Like the second-half of this movie is literally Joe Lynch's
Texas Chainsaw Masker, which, hey, no fault to you 'cause like
you mentioned, it's one of the best movies ever made.
Rob Zombie's done it too. So you know, Joe Lynch isn't the
only person that is just blatantly made their own version

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of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. But like, hey, if you're your
directorial debut and you're making a direct to video sequel,
why not like fuck it? Like, if you're going to take it
some sort of template, you mightas well take from the best.
What do you think of the potential news?
And it's not set in stone. It broke I think Thursday or
Friday this week that they're looking to reboot Texas Chainsaw

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Massacre for I think the fourth time.
And it looks like it's a JT Molener from Strange Darling
with potentially like Glenn Powell to star in the movie.
Like, did you see this news overthe past couple days?
No, I I did not see that. I mean, you know, I'm always for

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Texas Chainsaw start in another timeline.
Why not? That's kind of what they do.
So who cares? I don't like whatever if it's
going to be in another timeline.I just need more Leatherface
movies, but Glenn Powell I I love Glenn Powell, don't get me
wrong, but like, his face does not belong in a Texas Chainsaw
Massacre movie. Does that make sense?

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Well, I mean you could. Say Face would stick out.
He's not gritty enough to be in those movies.
Yeah, which is funny because we've had Matthew McConaughey
and Renee Zellinger and Viggo Mortensen, but they were not
known commodities. They were like Neo.
Fights at that point where GlennPowell is like not even on the
cusp of stardom, but he is like a movie star.

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Capital M, capital S at this point it would be strange.
The other thing too, like the thing about the original Texas
Chainsaw Massacre and like why that movie I think holds so much
of its power is all of those actors were unknown.
I think I said this in the wrongturn episode.
So I'll be brief here. You you, you don't see like

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Frank, the person who played frankly don't see anybody in
Marilyn Burns in a lot of moviesafter that right.
She's always Sally in Texas Chainsaw Massacre, whereas like
Glenn Powell was the the hero inTwisters, you know, and the
other part of it that struck me is like they did Twisters last
year and they specifically were like, we're leaving out any

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political language around climate change because we don't
want to offend anybody. We want them as many people as
possible to go see this. And if we say climate change in
a movie that's about climate change, half the country will
avoid it. Texas Chainsaw Massacre is like
a very political movie. I mean, there are books like
Tricky Dick versus Leatherface of how you know, the the first

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spoken words you hear after JohnLarroquette's narration are are
literally talking about the Watergate hearings on the radio
in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Like, I don't know if you can
remove the politics from it if you're going to reboot it in a
way that makes any sense. So it's not to I mean we, we've
got it on a diversion here and this is how like well we're.

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Going to have this episode out anyways so I know a Little Texas
Chainsaw tangent. Totally fine because we we need
the material for this episode. This is where I feel bad, where
I'm like, hey, we should do thisone in an hour today.
There's like very little background and then I start
going on like a 6 minute tangent.
So that's my fault. So I was thinking like, who are

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my favorite hosts in podcasting?And it's like Sean Fantasy from
The Big Picture and Justin from Halloweenies because they keep
the wheels moving, they keep thething on the tracks.
And not only do I not do that, Iam the person that is usually
knocking the train off the tracks.
It's like my fault 90% of the time.

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You're like, you're like the drunk pilot that I landed the
plane on the Hudson or whatever.Sully.
Yeah, Captain Sully. Was he drunk?
I did not know he was a drunk. Oh no, no, not not Captain Sully
the one the the Denzel Washington movie.
I did not see that. In that one, he's a drunk pilot
that lands a plane. Fair enough.

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OK, that's you. But I'm glad you cleared that up
because we could have gotten sued because that's a real dude
who's like, OK, excellent. Well, I think you kind of said
it like, what are what is your relationship with the wrong turn
movies? And if you don't have one, like,
what is the reason you've kind of avoided them?

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I mean, again, like it's I guessjust not a sub genre that
typically grabs me. I had seen all of the like kill
counts for these movies 'cause Iwas like, at one point I was
just like, I'm never gonna watchthese.
So I'll just go ahead and watch the kill counts 'cause usually I
always watch the movie first before I watch them.
But I was like, I don't know if I'm ever gonna watch the series.
So I kind of watched them all. So I like, I know little

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tidbits. So the ones that I signed up for
in particular, I'm like, OK, I want the one in the snow.
We got the the the reboot reimagining one as well.
So, you know, I'm intrigued by acouple of them.
But I guess, yeah, like, I don'tknow, like kind of mutant

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cannibals don't really get my blood going.
They're not, they're not a sexy,you know, horror monster.
They, you know, aren't very charming, you know, things like
that, you know, so all so so I just don't really gravitate
towards them as much whenever I'm when I'm thinking about
horror franchises. So I'm just like, you know,

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people, you know, getting running around in the woods,
getting, you know, cannibalized and stuff like that.
I'm just like, yeah, again, likeI have Alexander Ages, Hills
Have Eyes for that if I do want.Because at least for these first
two movies like this, they don'tscare me.
Something about them isn't very scary to me, even though it's

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like that. These are like people that do
exist in the world. Like, you know, there are people
out here, maybe they don't have mutant cannibal superpowers like
these ones do, but they're they're out there in the woods,
in the mountains and shit like that, you know.
So I mean, I guess it should be scarier, but I don't know, just
something about them just doesn't get my horror ears pick

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perked up. How much of that do you think
maybe comes from, because you'reout in Los Angeles and you know,
before that like Saint Louis, isthat where you would call home?
Was it was it? Is that where like home base is?
Yeah, I'm from like a suburb of Saint Louis and then I lived in
Springfield, MO for like 6 years.

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So not exactly like the Super rural like.
Could Missouri, I mean, Missouriis like almost all forest like
so I mean like this being set inthe West Virginia Outback,
honestly, actually not all that different from from Missouri.
Sure. So I don't know, maybe it's
because I feel more comfortable in in the woods.
I was a Creek kid, you know, back in the day, like that's

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just what me and my friends would do.
We'd go out and we just would just like hang out and do shit
in the woods. When now thinking about it, like
we would get like lost deep in these woods too.
And just with nothing just because we didn't like give a
shit. We just like, well, I got a
really good stick and that's about all I need in case
something. So I don't know, maybe it's
because, yeah, I feel a little too comfortable in the forest

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that I don't feel as much fear whenever I watched these kind of
movies. Yeah, I feel like I lived in the
woods as a kid, like where my house is in a cul-de-sac, and it
was like right on the wooded path.
Like you would cut through this path that was like right at the
end of my yard that would go to the other neighborhood where all

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my friends lived and there were giant woods.
With. Trails we would like go into the
woods builds like tree forts andthings like that and we would
just spend like hours in there all the time just kind of
exploring and getting lost or going into the swamps like
things like that all the time. And I felt pretty comfortable.
I don't think anything like thislike there were no waterfalls or

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like any place we could go rafting, but there were swamps
like my house like abutted a swamp.
So we would play football in my yard.
And if you were like running up the side where the swamp was,
the goal was to like basically shoulder tackle your buddy so
that you would go like ass firstinto the swamp.
Every time we would play football like that was one of

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our goals with each other. Oh, totally.
We had like stick fights like onlike fallen trees, like above
the above the Creek, like same thing.
Just like, hey, you're going in,you better.
Oh, you wore your good shoes outtoday.
What were you thinking? You know.
And so, yeah, definitely spent alot of time in the in the
forest. So yeah, I don't know, I guess
maybe I was like, GERD always laughs at me whenever I'm like,

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I feel very confident in zombie apocalypse.
I feel confident in the woods with the inbred cannibals after
me. Yeah, hillbilly horror is not a
sub genre that I watch a ton of.I know that I watch the 1st 2
wrong 2 movies I had seen them prior to us starting the series

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and everything else aside from like the re.
The last reboot will be first time watches for me and I will
say that I know that I watched this one back when it hit deep
straight to DVD. It was probably would have been
like a Netflix rental back when Netflix was still shipping
movies. Yeah, which God, I missed that.

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I really, really miss those days.
We could get, you know, just like really build like a movie,
you know, a movie watching experience through that.
I really that I would, you know,it's we just are without
physical media or missing so much.
And it wasn't like, I know just Joel Lynch's like debut film and

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he's gone on to be someone like I think is like genre fans like
we really like appreciate and root for.
But I know that the reason I watched this wasn't necessarily
because I loved wrong turn too, but because Henry Rollins was
starring in it. And we'll talk more about
Rollins. I think that actually might make
the episode go 2 plus hours because I will just wax rips

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Sonic about Henry Rollins and I'll try not to go too crazy on
that. But he is why, you know, I
definitely got this. And for me at least, I thought,
I think he's like the best part of with this movie.
Like I have so much fun watchinghim.
Like he's really, he knows what he's supposed to be doing in
this movie and he really goes for it.

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Oh yeah, like, I mean, he he's definitely, you know, gives
again, like the the movie kind of the tone and energy that I'm
like, OK, now we're having some fun, you know, like as far as
yeah, kind of the situation awareness and yeah, I mean,
I've, I'm a fan of Lynch's otherfilms.
I hadn't seen this one. And you can totally see all of

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his classic Joel Lynchisms in it.
You know, I think he you know, the the community champions him
because he's also like one of us, Like he's a he's a big old
horror nerd that like kind of came up reading Fangoria and
doing all the things he does a podcast himself as well.
So like, you know, he's it's like he kind of feels a little
bit relatable to us in a way. Actually, now that we're doing

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this episode actually, and you e-mail him back, he might come
on Spectre Cinema and maybe I'lltry to parlay him onto the Onto
This podcast. Would love it or just send him a
link. I'll I'll do my best.
I'll do my best. But but yeah, so I'm, I'm a fan
of his style and tone. He's kind of like, you can
definitely tell he's, you know, very influenced by Stuart Gordon
and Sam Raimi and things like that.

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And it definitely Texas ChainsawMassacre.
So you can see a lot of the stuff you see a lot of his
influences in this film as far as kind of one, since this is
straight to video, you can kind of go, you know, even like, you
know, they really double down onthe gore and brutal kills in
this one just because it's like,well, this ain't going to
theater. So we can literally do whatever
we want and like they, you know,waste no time.

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I like, you know, we even with the open and kill like him, like
kind of establishing himself as like, all right, This is what
you can expect from me as a director in this film, and I
think it sets the tone really well for it.
So, so seeing a lot of his earlyagain, directorial proclivities
come through in this, whether itbe, you know, his homages to

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Edgar Wright with some of the snappy editing or, or just the
way that some of the kills are presented, the way that there's
like kind of a lot of dark humorgoing on and a lot of what the
fucker he added to this movie. So I can definitely appreciate
like, I think he again, like brought brought a kind of an

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identity to to the franchise. Maybe 'cause I know the rest of
the movies kind of fall a littlebit more in this tone than the
the the original. You can almost watch this as the
first movie. It kind of feels like a soft
reboot, like the only carry overis 3 fingers but he doesn't have
all the scars from the first movie.
You could even say maybe this movie came before the 1st movie

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and that's why there's only like3 cannibals in the 1st movie.
Who who? Who's to say because I don't
know how strict they're going tobe on the continuity going
forward, but I know we have like2 prequels that come before the
first one so. It's really weird, there's like
2 prequels, 2 soft reboots and then.

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And then there's whatever this is, cause again, this doesn't
feel like it's connected to the first movie.
It kind of feels like it's, it'sjust, Oh yeah, we're just gonna
start over again. Why not, you know?
Which is fine. Which is fine.
It totally works in that way I can forget about the first one,
yeah. A lot of the Friday the 13th
movies like don't feel connectedin any way, shape or form.

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Do you know what I mean? Like there's not the Texas
Chainsaw Massacre movies certainly don't feel connected
in any in in one of the the sequel was directed by Toby
Hooper and it, you know, does not feel in any way, shape or
form like the that was. Fun in that series trying to
keep track of all the timelines when we did the Texas Chainsaw

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movies 'cause they're all over the place.
So, you know, I don't expect this one to have like super
solid, but I like the amount of like, you know, we got a little
bit more back story in this and a definitely a different
depiction of the, the the, the cannibals in this versus the
first one. So yeah, I like a lot of the the
he brought a freshness to to this one that I don't feel that

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the first one has. They weren't able to bring
Julian Richardson back as three finger anything for Jackson's
own Jr. So same character but played by
Jeff Scruton. The only other connective tissue
to the first movie. Wayne Robeson comes back as the

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in the 1st movie. He's running like the gas
station and in this movie he's like part of the family, like
he's somehow part of the family.Like those are the and he's.
Like the original? Yeah, he's the only actor that
returns from the first film and then he gets blown up good by
good old Henry in a really good visual gag here.

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So we'll go super briefly into the background.
Like I I think, I don't know if I mentioned this at the top,
like there is not a lot and I amnot in for parts 3 through 6.
I am not anticipating the background sections to run
super, super long because there's just not a ton that is

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on there. We pulled from a couple
articles. And then the Blu-ray, like the
what's kind of nice is like the Blu-ray does have a lot of
features. There's a nice like behind the
scenes feature out of the special effects, a couple
commentaries from the writers aswell as like Joe Lynch, Rollins
and Lear Hessen. I think I'm mispronouncing her

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name and I apologize, but there's like just not a ton of
like what we would usually here's who came up and this,
that and the other thing. But here's what we got.
So the writers of this are TerryMeyer and Al Septian.
They wanted to include Eliza Dushku in a cameo in the film.
She was going to play herself basically like on route to star

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in this reality show. And essentially, she was going
to be the first kill of the movie in the role that went to
Kimberly Caldwell. Dushku passed on this role
honestly feeling that the role was kind of like not to her
standards. And to be honest, like, it is
kind of hard to blame her for that.

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But I don't don't really blame her for saying like no, I don't
want to do this. I mean, she is also like
Hollywood's like bad luck charm because she's like been a part
of like 3 pilot TV series that never worked out and always get
cancelled. So she has like kind of like a
funny like weird TV curse on herself.

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So that would have been kind of funny.
What if she would have cameoed as herself at in that beginning
reality, like the gal going on the way.
What if she played herself in that?
That would have been funny. Well, she did Dollhouse for two
seasons. It ran for two seasons and then
was cancelled. And that had like the Friday

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night death slot, Like they got the Firefly death slot where
it's like, we'll put you this like high concept, high concept
sci-fi show on Friday nights when everybody is out.
She's also in the Sarah Connor Chronicles that also cancelled
after. All I think that was fair.
Isn't that her? No, that's Lena Headley from

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Game of Thrones. No, but also, well, I know Lena
Headley is in it, but isn't Eliza Dushku also in it?
No. She's not.
I know I can. I can't picture the actress that
is the Terminator in that, but it's not her.
We can look that up if you wouldlike, but I don't think that's
Eliza Dushku. Summer Glau.

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There you go. From Summer Glau.
She's the Cursed 1, not Eliza Dushku.
I mean, Eliza Dushku decided to leave acting after like a really
bad experience on the show. I think Bull, where she was like
constantly harassed and was like, you know what, I am done
with this. Like she's had enough and she's
actually a therapist now like inthis area and she's someone that

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advocates for the use of like more ketamine treatments in.
Yeah, I saw that. I saw that article not too long
ago. She is amazing and you never
hear me say a bad word about Eliza Dushku so but she for this
like decided she was going to pass on it.
Honestly, from what I've read, she just wasn't super keen on

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the idea of like seeing herself torn in half vertically.
The producer of this, Jeffrey Lich, described it is basically
reading the script and saying this is one of the most deprived
and amoral scripts that I have ever received.
It's Joel Lynch's debut film. I think one of the pitches he

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made. Like he went to Jeffrey Lich,
who was one of the producers of Freddy's Nightmares, the TV show
that ran for two seasons. And I want to say about Freddy
Krueger, but it's really like Freddy Krueger is the Crypt
keeper and they're like hour long shows.
They were kind of like the firsthalf was usually really surreal

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and then it would wrap up for the first half was really
straightforward and the second-half would be like really
surreal. They weren't necessarily very
good, but as a kid, I think I watched every single episode of
Freddy's Nightmares. But like very rarely was like
Freddie in them. He would just kind of like be on

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at the beginning, the end and some of the commercial Brit
taking you in and out of commercials.
Like Robert Englund probably didall of the work for them over
the course of like 2 days basically.
But he was a worker. Yeah.
And I think Joe Lynch was like, I loved Freddie's Nightmares
growing up. I saw every episode and Jeff

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Freelich was like, man, you had a shitty childhood.
If you love that show, sorry, dude.
It's like his debut film and he definitely makes the most out of
a little. I kind of describe this as like
the Thanksgiving leftovers of sequels where you have like all
of the elements of the big meal.OK, you got your like your

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Turkey that's leftover or the stuffing, the potatoes, the
yams, your, you know, but it's not quite as full and it's not
quite as fresh. But you can still make a really
bad ass meal with all the leftovers.
And in some cases it's even better.
Like to me, the best part of. Things it is better.
That's that's what I was going to say like the the Thanksgiving

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sandwich is better than Thanksgiving dinner.
I must say it it's better. So so that aligns with my
opinions on this film. Again, I think being much like
the, the first one kind of is the traditional, Oh yeah, user
traditional Thanksgiving, the hillbilly exploitation.
And then this one is the unhinged sandwich when you're
just like, put it all on there, put the Turkey, put the

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cranberry sauce, you know, put the put the stuff and put the
green beans on it. I love me a Thanksgiving
sandwich. We started doing Thanksgiving
pizza for leftovers last year and they were like outstanding.
Like absolutely, you know, busted some belt buckles after
that, but well worth it in this case.
Like Lynch has 4,000,000 bucks to play with, which is a pretty

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steep drop from like the 12 and a half million that it cost to
make the first wrong turn movie.And I think you see here like
that money goes into the effectslike it times like even on
Blu-ray. This movie does have like a very
shot on video look to it. But the effects look really
really good in Gnarly and they make the most of the sets they

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have, but it doesn't have like the theatrical look that the
first Wrong turn has. I mean, I mean, it's still not
too shabby though. I mean, for your first time
directing and to again have a straight to DVD where your guy
kind of have no rules. I mean, 4 million's not bad.
I mean, shit, we still have $4 million movies going theatrical
now. The Best picture winner on Nora

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was only $6 million. So you can definitely tell, you
know, Lynch's savviness and like, I think he uses it really
well. Like I don't think the quality
drop off is too much from from the first one, if not just in
different areas, because like once we like go to that mill,
like that's like actually like areally like well made set, like

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for their their layer that they're hanging out in.
So it's like in certain angles it's like, yeah, it doesn't have
you can definitely tell it's shot digital.
It doesn't have the theatrical film grain, lol.
Wrong turn was shot on film. That's crazy.
Or cinema with the days but I. Noticed like it more in the
outdoor scenes where it looks a little bit blown out like.

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The Oh yeah, no, you can totallytell.
Digital, yeah. It also rained a lot when they
were making this. They said that it rained like 20
out of 25 days. So a lot of the outdoor scenes
they actually had to like tarp off a bit.
And he's like, you wouldn't really notice it unless you look
deep in the background and you can see some of the leaves
getting hit by hit by some of the water as well.

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But so that might be part of it as well.
So Lynch's goal, like he wants to make what he calls like the
ultimate Fangoria fans film. Oh, totally.
I can totally feel that like it that that that is kind of how I
describe the tone of this. It very much is just like a aha
here coming here, you little nasties.

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Yeah, so I asked this during thefirst episode to Arielle and
Nicole and I'll ask you, do you think that the wrong turn movies
were just like a year or two tooearly, meaning like first one
comes out in O3. So it kind of bridging that gap
between the late 1990s, early 2000s slasher films and then the

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more like nasty horror of the odds.
Like if this if Wrong Turn came out after Saw in Hostile, do you
think we would have gotten more theatrical releases with
slightly bigger budgets and. I mean, I'm not sure it's a it's
kind of hard to tell because again, but one like because it

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was hard to tell because those movies also like weren't getting
their sequels until like a few years later for some of them.
So it's like it kind of depends that if you know the the the
power of those movies would pushthe the first wrong turn movie
into category 2 be a theatrical franchise.
I don't know, kind of hard to tell, But at the same time, I

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think this movie is still the weakest out of any of those.
Like, it's definitely not betterthan Devil's Rejects.
I haven't seen Hostile, so I can't say.
But like, you know, the Saw is definitely better than Wrong
Turn. Wolf Creek is better than Wrong
Turn. So like, I don't know, I think
it is still the weakest out of those movies.
So I'm not sure if it would still get into their territory

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of having theatrical sequels. And again, these aren't sexy
horror movies, you know, like, these are very gross and greedy.
And it's like already a tough order to get people to come to
the theater for one of these versus and then be like, hey,
you guys want to go go to the theater and hang out with the
cannibal inbred family again. No, Yeah.
You're not going to get that. If it's spring break, it must be

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wrong. You're not going to get that.
Got it. Well, due to some budget cuts,
like Lynn, she does have to scale back some plans to expand
the family of cannibals, keepingit to more Ma, Pennsylvania than
the brother and sister. So instead he enlists over like
300 gallons of fake blood in order to enhance the overall

(32:37):
gore effects. It was announced this was going
to go straight to DVD rather than receive a theatrical
release. And in terms of its casting,
like you do get some interestingcast members, you get Henry
Rollins, who, you know, before Igo on 'cause I can go on a
tangent here, what is your experience with Mr. Rollins

(33:00):
before this movie. You know, it's like he just like
kind of pops up in in things. He's he's definitely that guy.
But doesn't he also have like a wrestling background or
something? Punk rock background.
Punk rock and he's also done like some stand up stuff too and
like a spoken word. So I think I remember seeing

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some of his stage stuff even before I started seeing him in
movies, honestly, because like as a kid, I would like gobble up
like any kind of like stand up or spoken word kind of stuff.
He did like kind of similar performances to like, like John
Luguizamo, like kind of his likekind of kind of spoken word
style, some interesting stuff. But yeah, so, but as far as in

(33:42):
movies, again, it's just like hejust like kind of pops up there.
Now I'm looking at his filmography.
I used to watch the new guy so much.
Oh my God, I watched that movie to death and and Henry Rollins
plays the warden in that in the movie.
So I would say that was definitely my introduction to

(34:04):
Mr. Rollins and yeah, beside at least him on film.
But yeah, he's he's just super fun in this.
I like how he's kind of has his own movie happening.
Like he's like the host of the reality show, but then he gets
split away from all the contestants and he's kind of
having his own thing. Like he's fighting three finger
and having to escape and then having to rescue them.

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So it's like I like how he kind of has his own side movie going
on with the contestants still like fighting for their lives.
It's like two different movies. Like two of them are like
captured and being tortured and then he's off on his own like
just like Merkin people and likegoing on this rescue mission.
Yeah, it's definitely like almost 2 separate movies where

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he is and he's on his own and hefeels like responsible, but he's
like, oh shit, I brought everybody into this.
Like I better do my best to try to rescue them.
Like hoorah, nobody left behind.And it's really fun to almost
see him get like a Rambo type ofmovie.
Like watching him do like that John Rambo style of like action

(35:09):
movie. I could definitely watch like
five more movies with just like Dale Murphy at the center of
Dale Murphy. Also, I think named after.
I don't know where they got the naming of the characters from,
but I think there was like a Dale Murphy like famous baseball
player from the Atlanta Braves in the 90s and early 2000s as

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well. Do you do you think, I mean kind
of jumping ahead to the movie discussion, but do you think
it's a a a mistake that they killed him and he wasn't like
the one like he could have been like the Bert Gummer of the
Tremor movies, but for the wrongturn movies?
Do you think it's? Kind of a bummer that he didn't
get to stick around to like leadhis own direct to video little

(35:50):
series. It's definitely a bummer, but I
get it. It's definitely a bummer, but I
I understand why they did and I will talk about, I think I even
have a note of like who they chose to be the final persons
and like why I think that's actually a pretty like smart and
kind of like a smart choice and like how it kind of undercuts

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fan expectations a bit as well. And I think that's why you get
someone like a Joel Lynch who loves horror.
And he's like, oh, this is who fans expect.
And this is what I'm going to give you.
Instead. For me, Rollins is someone who,
I mean, I, I'm 50 years old. So when I say like he's a
personal hero, it sounds a little weird, but he's someone

(36:36):
that like starting in high school for me, became like a
personal hero. Like listening to Black Flag,
like one of the first punk bandsI ever got into and listened to
his work on like bands like Damage and My War.
I actually wrote him a postcard when I was in high school 'cause
he's like, you can write to me and I'll write back and he sent
me a postcard back like answering my questions.

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His work in Black Black Flag wasbasically like early, late 70s,
early 80s hardcore through the mid 80s where it's like we're
just going to get in a van, we're going to drive around the
country, we're going to put out our own music.
His book Get in the Van is amazing.
But even before he became much more well known, like he had his

(37:20):
own book imprint and his own like record imprint 21361, where
he would put out his like, spoken word albums on tape and
his own books. And I would just like devour all
of those like Black Coffee, BlueNews and his spoken word albums
as a high school kid and just like adored him listening to

(37:41):
like the Rollins Band stuff likeend of Silence and wait.
And then just to watch him shiftinto this kind of like elder
States and like become some of the took on roles in films like
the chase. He's the henchman that gets the
shit kicked out of him by Al Pacino and Heat, which I think
he's described as like one of his career highlights.
He's like, thank you, Sir. Just you know, he's in feast for

(38:04):
a hot minute. And he's a guy that preaches
like self-sufficiency in hard work.
Like he has this amazing work, that work ethic, like there's a
thing behind in the behind the scenes.
Like what are you afraid of? He's like being unemployed, like
when I don't have a job, Like that's scary to me.
But he also preaches, like, kindness and empathy and like,

(38:26):
those are like, hugely importantto him.
Like his character here when he's like barking at, I think
it's the skateboarder character when he's like, you know, are
you when he's like, barking at him, like, you're not
perpetuating stereotypes, are you, son?
Like, that doesn't feel like acting.
That feels like Henry Rollins. Very much so.
And to watch him shift into thisperson who's becoming this kind

(38:49):
of elder statesman for like, thedo it yourself movement and punk
rock, and it's kind of amazing to see.
He's in the 60s now, which to mejust feels like, wow.
Like, I don't know how to describe it.
Just like that is bizarre to me.So it was just a joy to watch
him here, like. Certified good guy.

(39:11):
Certified good guy. Just so someone like getting to
and he LED, he never died. I think was probably his biggest
role in terms of getting to actually the movie.
Weird little movie. It is.
I never saw she never die. No, me neither.
I keep I I meant to watch it. Two films, we could do it.

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We could do that at some point. So we'll have to throw that in
at some we ever need, like a twofilm filler.
I don't see why we couldn't. Patton Oswalt is the voice of
the agent, apparently. I thought that's who it was.
So very early Patton Oswalt, KenKerzinger who plays Jason in the
Freddy VS and Jason movies, plays Pennsylvania and then from

(39:58):
Blair Witch 2. Like heading back into the woods
you would think Nope, I'm not going back in the woods again.
Had my Phil Eriker Learson as a Nina.
Ken Kozinger, one of my favoriteJasons.
I think he's really, really ready for Jasons.
I think he has a really nice presence and I remember

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something about they chose him because he has very soft eyes is
why I like Ronnie You I heard 'cause.
He was tall 'cause he was a muchtaller.
Well, yeah, that too, obviously.But like I remember like
specifically cause in the movie they like, since they were
supposed to, that's supposed to be like a, a, a Jason you kind
of sympathize with in that one since he's like being used and

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he's supposed to have these likesad eyes.
And that was like a big part of why, Ronnie, you really liked
that Kurzen during the role. Well, and then the other casting
note, just a little thing here, Crystal Low and Texas Battle,
who play Elena and Jake both appeared in wrong that wrong
turn three final destination. Three.

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Oh yeah, they do. Which is I don't know.
So I kind of like that little connection.
Can't wait. Yeah, he, he has, he has that
super funny death in the weight room where he's like, he's
pumping out and he's like, deathcan't get me.
And then like smashes his head between the plates.
Yeah, good one. Yeah, cannot wait for the next
Final Destination. We'll be doing that as a one off

(41:25):
pretty soon, right? Yes, it comes out on May.
Now OK, so she's right around the corner, so we'll find a
space for that. Actually, it might might even
time out depending on when this either when this one ends or is
Wishmaster next for us. Yeah, it is.
OK, so might be right around then.

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Filming takes place on Bunsen Lake, which also hosted the
Freddy VS Jason and Lake Placid Film makes its debut at the
London Fright Fest Film Festivalin August 25th, 2007 and its US
debut at Fantastic Fest September 21st.
It's released on DVD soon after October 9th of that year and

(42:11):
it's a success. It pulls in on a budget of 4
million. It pulls in over $9.2 million in
sales, so double s it's budget just in DVD sales initially.
Hell yeah. I love.
I love that some lucky people did get to see this on the big
screen. I love that it got a couple
festivals, so that's nice. I wonder.

(42:32):
I'm going to have to find out ifanybody, any of the the the the
people in our community, if any of them were at that fantastic
fest back in. Early, have to find out earlier
days, a fantastic fest when it was a bit, I don't know how
small it was back then. I went there five years.
Later, I bet like Phil Nobile's been there, I bet.
I bet he was there at that one. Probably, and I mentioned this,

(42:54):
it's like fairly loaded for a straight to DVD release.
Like there are the two commentaries, the deleted
scenes, the behind the scenes featurette, like the making of
which isn't a great making of, but there's some stuff the
there's like a peanut on location, like one of the

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characters like going on location.
There is like a how they did thespecial effects as well.
And it's, you know, not like a cheapy, cheapy turn around
thing. It's like actually done through
some care and I kind of miss that.
It's something that you don't get with.

(43:35):
Oh yeah, there was a, there was a time in the early 2000s, it
didn't matter like what movie you were like you're gonna get,
you know, a lot of bonus features on it.
Like I mean hell, you'll get to like the 4th movie in a
franchise and it still has all the like behind the scenes stuff
and yeah, early 2000s heyday or special features.
Yeah, didn't wasn't it Orin Pelley who said he learned how

(43:58):
to make movies by watching like the Matrix bonus features and
all the other like behind the that's how he learned how to
make movies like that is incredible.
Like using that as your own little kind of film school of a
sorts. That's why we need to keep it
going. People, you know, I mean, all
the, all the rise of these boutique labels were it's gotten
better, you know, which has beennice since they see that there

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is a demand for, for the physical media.
So we're, we're getting there. We're getting back to it a
little bit. I did my part this week with the
flash sale and Criterion. It's the first time I've ever
had like a little bit of extra money to blow.
And I'm like, I'll order 5 movies and then I'm like, I'll
order five more. And then I woke up the next

(44:43):
morning I'm like, I'm going to order six more.
So I went a little bit, I, I went to my wife.
I'm like, I kind of went a little crazy with the criteria
on sale. And so now I'm just waiting for
everything to show up and I had to make more.
I I've officially run out of space in my cabinet once they
arrive. She's like, you can enjoy all

(45:05):
those criterions on the couch. No, she's good.
I wasn't any. I didn't spend anything that I
couldn't. I had like a bunch of I kind of
knew this day was coming and hadbeen like squirreling money away
for it a little bit and like because I had never gotten a
chance to. So, you know, I'm like you were

(45:25):
you have a bunch of stuff that I've been waiting to pick up.
So I've done. I'm actually going to take the
space right behind me this summer and like use it to build
like a pseudo closet for all thephysical media and pretend it's
the Criterion closet. Everybody, let's go take a trip
to the Snoonian closet. Yeah, it'll be yeah, I don't
even fit. It's like my daughter doesn't

(45:47):
even. It's like, it's not wide enough
to really be a closet, but we can pretend we can like shuffle
in sideways. It'll be like.
The snoonie and crawl space. Yeah, it'll be like this copy of
Howard the Duck. It's, you know, there'll be that
the kind of movie like it'll be this 5 pack of Wrong Turn.
I feel like they really capturedthe nui of the early like we'll

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do stuff like that. That'll be fantastic.
All right, let's talk about thismovie a little bit here.
And we kind of like touched on this a little bit, but I feel
like if the wrong turn the the original movie is that riff on
gritty survivalist exploitation flicks of the 70s like

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Deliverance, Texas Chainsaw, then wrong turn to it's more of
an homage to like the 80s sequels that go way over the
top. Like just you watch Friday the
13th and it's not necessarily like a fun movie.
The first, you know, back when it came out, it tries to be at
least a little serious. And by the time you get to like

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Friday the 13th, Part 4, it's like we have the Double Mint
twins and Corey Feldman shaving his head and we have Horshack in
Part 6 getting a hole punched through him.
Like, it's just like the embracethe ridiculousness of those 80s
movies, which are very, very silly.
I mean, once again, he just did Texas Chainsaw Massacre too.

(47:18):
Like he was like, oh, he's like,I like Texas Chainsaw Massacre
and I like how zany too is. So again, he pretty much just
did that with this movie, which is fine, which is fine by me.
And I just, I think to your point, Lynch does a better job
replicating like those 80s movies overall than maybe the
first Wrong Turn does of like being one of those 70s films.

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It just doesn't. Although I'd like that first
Wrong Turn movie a lot, I do enjoy that movie quite a bit.
Well, and I like how like at at least for the time, how
contemporary it was because it'sso funny.
Me and my roommate, we've been watching like the, the reality
shows from like the VH1 era in like, in like the like 2004.
We, we were watching Daisy of Love the other night and just

(48:05):
like cracking up. What is that?
That is one of the gals from thesecond season of Rock of Love.
She got just some other gal on the show.
So it's like it's really funny watching that one because
they're like really scraping thebomb of the barrel at that
point. But like you can tell Lynch
definitely watch those movies because or those shows because

(48:25):
it definitely has some of the feeling of those, especially
like the game show styled ones. And so it's not like I like how
it, you know, feels modern in that way.
But like you said, he's doing a homage to the 80s in vibe, not
in having to do everything in the 80s and have a synth
soundtrack or anything like that.

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Like so it's like, you know, a different 80s that he's homaging
with a without it again, kind ofbeing the the stranger things
style. God, Stranger things really ruin
the 80s aesthetic. And then everybody that does it
now, unfortunately. I think it would Stranger
things. It just got to the point because
after is there and I know are they like 40 years old now and

(49:10):
they're supposed to still be like, I mean, I grew up watching
Beverly Hills 9O21O when you were supposed to buy that like
Luke Perry was like a 16 year old high school student and even
back then I'm like, all right, this is straining credulity
quite a bit. But like you're telling me that
like Millie Bobby Brown and FinnWolfhard and crew like I'm

(49:34):
supposed to buy that they're 17 at this point?
Like come on, like what are we doing here?
Like how could how long does does it take to do like a four
or five season show? This is ridiculous.
But because they make like 8 movies is what they do or
whatever. Like, I'm so happy they're all
about to be released from their eternal torture.

(49:56):
They must be so thrilled this isfinally except for the kid who
plays Dustin. Like I feel like life is going
to be very hard for him. Like it's never going to get
better for him than it was say, post season 2 stranger.
Things, Oh, that kid doesn't care about, he doesn't care
about that he's a Broadway kid. He's he was already, he was

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already a Broadway star even before he started on Stranger.
Things the kid was who wears like the baseball cap and has a
list, Yeah. He can sing his ass off like he
he's he was more famous than therest of them.
Like he was the most famous 1 when it started.
Yeah. Look him up.
Look him up on YouTube. OK I'm glad I'm wrong cuz I just
felt like life was going to be very very.

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Oh no, he was already Gucci. OK, all right, that's good to
know because I just feel like that's good.
And you can't even say like oh, these poor child stars.
It's like, oh, these poor, like young adult, these poor
middle-aged stars that. This, you can see it in their
eyes. Like they're just like, Oh my
goodness, we're done. But anyways, wrong turn two.

(50:59):
Yeah, wrong. Turn 2 everybody I so I don't
have a like this feels like likerolled like the closest I can
come is like maybe Rd. rules. Oh.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, I've 'cause I'm not a
reality show. Person and and I like how like
that the setup of this too is that they're able to get away
with the characters all being stereotypes but then also have

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the opportunity they all subverttheir stereotypes or whatever.
But like, I like how it's like, you know, it's ingrained in it
because like, oh, we casted themfor the reality show on purpose
like this. So it makes sense to why us
watching the horror film that it's we still get them as well.
So it's like I like how it's just ingrained into the setup
with this whole reality TV, which does get dropped about

(51:45):
midway through the film. That's a kind of an odd thing,
but it's still a nice setup for the film to to get us introduced
to the cast and then give them one thing to do later on in the
movie, that they all subvert their one trope in some fashion.
I'm surprised there weren't morehorror movies that use this as a

(52:07):
premise. Like there's this and honestly,
Halloween Resurrection are like the only two I can think of off
the top of my head that really use like the reality show as the
backdrop. But what you see here, like the
character portrayals, like it's not necessarily very deep, but
it's really wide. Like you get a pretty wide swath

(52:28):
of characters. Like you have like your army
brat in amber. You have like Jonesy, who starts
out basically as an erection on two legs.
Like I'm going to be the person that will one day get sued for
sexual harassment. You have like Nina the a goth
girl, you have Jake the jock, and then you have Elena who's

(52:51):
like the sexy 1. And as the movie goes on, like
Jonesy and Amber actually able to bond, like everybody drops
their pretenses and like you cansay, like Amber and and Jonesy
have almost like the most emotional moment in the movie,
like right before they die. Like, I kind of like really
appreciate that, that you, it's not like the Friday the 13th

(53:14):
remake where you see a characterlike Chad and you're just like,
I can't wait for this guy to die.
Like, he's just the worst. Like Jonesy has some redemptive
moments. I disagree on that and I thought
I put in my notes. I was like, I was like Jonesy
lasted way too long in this movie.
Like he was like it was like OK like like he had.

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Don't get me wrong, I have some quotes in this from him that I
did like, but I don't think I'veever heard anybody call a fart a
shit ghost. I think that was pretty fucking
funny, so I'll give it to him. He's got a few lines here and
there, but he makes it almost like he doesn't die until
there's 20 minutes left in the movie.
He makes it way too long. I thought he was definitely

(53:57):
going to be like one of the first ones because like, I don't
think like I think he's the one that didn't get to subvert his
trope really. Because like, what did he ever
do? He told Home Girl to run and
then she got caught in the same trap and then they died
together. Like he didn't do anything
redemptive. I feel like him and Amber came
to a more understanding of one another.

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He kind of dropped the clownish act at a certain point.
He he was, he was still hitting the lesbian jokes pretty hard up
until his demise. Like, fair enough.
Because I truly like you can track it in my notes where I'm
like, OK, Jonesy, he's kind of funny.
OK, I like that line. That was like, OK, why is he
still here? And then like, I'm just like,
why is he even still on my notesright now?

(54:39):
Get out of my notes, Jonesy. You thought he should have gone
sooner. Totally, totally.
But but yeah, I'm a I'm a fan ofTexas Battle.
What a great name. I think.
I think he's really great. And this is Jake as the the
football player that had the injury.
So he's like, I'm still athleticthough, so I can win this.
And then it turns out he's like super sensitive.

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He wants to be a doctor and he'sjust a very nice guy.
He doesn't want to like sexualize Elena and like all
these things. Oh my God, one, one line that
just did not age well at all. When M after the scene when he's
like trying to get them to hook up and then he like walks away,
he goes, I wanted Diddy, but I got a Boy Scout.

(55:20):
I was like. Oh no, who would have known?
Awful. Who would have?
Crazy. Oh my goodness, I I've had that
in so many movies lately too. And it's just like, Oh my God,
like why did so many movies talkabout him?
God damn it. Because he was huge.
Like that's not my. No, of course, but it was just

(55:43):
like, it's so crazy that it justlike it keeps coming up in
movies. I'm like, that's so weird, so
weird. But yeah, there's a crazy, crazy
line talking about about Jake and this, but I really like him.
Especially like when him and Nina get to go on their like
kind of final duo circuit together in the end.

(56:04):
Very almost a one to one. They are Taye Diggs and Ally
Larder in a house on Haunted Hill 99.
Like they are pretty much like the exact same like kind of duo
except there's no romantic chemistry between them and this,
which is cool. I like that they didn't need to
have it. So I like a final duo.
That's fun. And it's kind of like the second

(56:25):
round turn movie where that's the case.
Like there's even both both the 1st 2 movies, like they're not
hooking up with one another. There's not that romance.
It's more like we got to surviveand then we got to get out of
here. And what's fascinating is like
you would anticipate, like, you know, like, like Jake is the
black character. Like you think he's going to be

(56:46):
one of the first two or three people killed.
Like Nina is like the angry gothgirl.
Like that's typically one of thefirst characters killed in a
horror movie. And yet they're the 1st 2 that
they're the two that make it like I thought they were setting
up Mara the producer to be because she's like, she doesn't

(57:06):
do any of these things. Like she's not a survivalist.
She's not, it's kind of like Randall's character in Clerks.
Like I'm not even supposed to behere today.
You would think that that is thecharacter that's going to make
it to the end. And then like her death to me
was like super surprising. Like where she's running,
running, running and she gets the axe to the head.
It's like whoa. I mean, yeah, I mean, again,

(57:29):
like if this being by Lynch's words of the Fangoria movie of
movies, I mean, it's like it's literally like how we always
talk about like, you know, how many times do we have to mention
hey, remember and scream when what's her face was billed as
the star, but then she got killed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know. So it's like I that's like I'm
his tip of the cap to to this and that one because, yeah, I
totally thought it was going to be her.

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And it did even still catch me by surprise.
But then afterwards I was like, oh, yeah, that's makes sense.
It's like a kind of fun thing todo.
But yeah, shout out to my boy Jake.
I got to add them to the list ofthe brothers that make it till
the end. Yeah, there's slim pickings, but
love to have them here. Do you?
Have a letterbox list for that like.
Brothers. No.
But I I will. I will.
I'll work on that. I'm gonna.
I'm gonna have to think about a few others, but yeah, I'm gonna

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make it happen. Let's.
Let's do that. Totally.
Yeah, Amber, I thought she was, you know, has being yeah, the
the strict military lesbian character, which I think is
funny. That's just like kind of
randomly thrown in out there. But hey, good on you, Joe Lunch
2007. Just like Kevin.
Yeah. And it actually like kind of

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comes into her like kind of interactions with Jonesy.
So, I mean, she's she's cool in this as well.
But yeah, the the lol, the director, Michael that insists
that he's being called M now. I thought it was very funny.
Do you think that's a he's wearing the Battle Royale
T-shirt, which I really love. And it's like kind of like a tip

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of the cap to what this movie isas well.
Like you're out in the, you know, you're out in a pretty
deserted place and you're getting picked off 1 by 1.
And I think at the time, like Battle Royale was a lot more
obscure. Like it wasn't necessarily an
easy movie and tracked down. Again, it's a it's a nerd flex.

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He's like, he's that's Joe Lynchbeing like, hey, hey, the cool
kids that have seen Battle Royale, they'll they'll know
that shirt. I wonder I remember like in 2003
when I lived near Albany, there was like a hole in the ground
video store and like the owner let me bring home like a DVD RIP
of Battle Royale and he's like if you lose or damage this, I

(59:40):
will kill you. He's like, do not you know in
any way shape or form or harm this discs?
I couldn't see it any other way back then.
But I wonder if M is a tip of the cap to like the Fritz Lang
Peter Lorre starring serial killer movie from like 19.

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I want to say 29 or 30. I wonder if like the name there
is like a tip of the cap to Peter Lorre's character.
Great silent film. I think it's Fritz Lang.
I could be wrong. And if I am someone screaming
screaming at the podcast right now?
OK, could have been. Again, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't put him past him to to keep having some some

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different modules. I was like trying to look at
like the cast names. I was trying to see if Jonesy
might have been a reference to the cat and aliens possibly.
Yeah, that's actually another really good one.
That's. So, so I, yeah, I'm like kind of
looking at the the names of people here.
I'm like where any of the other ones maybe, but that's really
the only other one I see. Caldwell, that sounds like
that's the last name of a of a of a person.

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It was the last name of the librarian of my elementary
school, but I don't think it's atribute to that.
I'm going to go on the record and say I don't think that is
the case. You mention Edgar Wright and the
way he edits. I also thought like the way like
the Rollins fight with like 3 finger.
To me, there was like a lot of like the what you're seeing in

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films like the Bourne films are out at this time with like Paul
Green grass and the Casino Royale by this time as well.
Like that Bond, the first DanielCraig Bond movie.
Like I think you see a lot of that influence here as well,
like the really quick lot of zooming in, a lot of up close
edits and it kind of have that very frantic feel to it for the

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fights as well. And yeah, shout out Joe Lynch
giving us Henry Rollins verse 3 fingers and a knife fight.
Didn't didn't see that coming inwrong turn 2.
So that's pretty dope. I love that he threw that like
little action bead in there. And it's actually it's like
really well done. It's like really well
choreographed and but yeah, definitely it's like kind of
shot in the the Bourne style. And also just Rollins, we talked

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about a little bit of getting toreally eat in this movie.
Like he makes a real meal, whether he's like interacting
with Jonesy and just like screaming in his face.
And you can just see the spit flying out and landing on him.
But he's like screaming like I've never had sex with a pig,
You know? I hope you're not perpetuating
stereotypes, boy. Like really going and sticking

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up for Amber in that moment, Like just basically, you know,
like stepping in and sticking upfor her.
But also like the whole him being essentially in, you know,
like a soft reboot of First Blood as well for like the third
act of the movie. Yeah, my favorite line from him

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is It's up to you, Pop Tart. You're the producer.
What do we do with a like just super straight face?
He's also jacked in this. Like, I mean, Henry Rollins has
always been a Jack guy. Like he's he's muscular as hell
and looks great in this. But yeah, he kind of gets to do
his like own like little thing as he he learns the back story
of like kind of what's going on and then has to like.

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So it's it's kind of cool because they like start the
movie together. They all diverge and then they
come back together as he like comes to rescue Jake and Nina at
the end. So I think it's really fun and
it's like an an either the the way that it and then also the
main group was also split up themselves too.
So it's like, I like how it's like kind of sprawling because

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that's how the woods are, you know, like it is, you know, very
spread out and everything. So I like the way that they like
kind of utilize not only him, but like us splitting up the
group as well. Yeah, everybody kind of pairs
off with one another. And in the first film, it feels
like almost everybody is killed off almost too quickly.

(01:03:45):
Like you get to. I mean, that movie's only in
part of the beauty of that film,as it's like less than 80
minutes long. That's part of like, what's
great about it. Oh, my God.
Like I said, there's no fat on that movie whatsoever.
But like 20 minutes in and most of your cast is already dead
here. Like you do.

(01:04:05):
People tend to last a bit longeroverall.
And I think at times you're like, all right, maybe we could
have spread things out a little bit more.
Or maybe I mean, it's it's almost an hour 40 and maybe
that's just a hair. There's some things he could
have like trimmed down a little bit.
Overall, it was important for Lynch.

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Like he noted, he didn't want torefer to the villains of this is
like monsters, mutants, freaks or creatures.
He wanted them to be portrayed as family and Bill Terrazasicus.
I hope I'm saying that right. He did.
He took over for Stan Winston and like designing the makeup
and the special effects. And he specifically designed

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rather than masks, like a more fluid type of makeup that would
allow for a lot of facial expressions so that the
creatures could emote to a much,so that family could emote to a
much greater degree. And I kind of love like, the
inciting incident here is you have like the sister getting

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jealous that the brother is kindof like jerking off to seeing
Elena. Like she's experiencing jealousy
that Elena is out there just sunbathing.
And she's making the connection that like, oh, you know, my
brother could be attracted to this very like, heteronormative
looking woman and not me. Therefore, I'm going on a

(01:05:33):
killing spree. How do you think the family is
portrayed here? Does he kind of hit that goal of
giving it a more, I don't want to say normal family dynamic,
but does it give it that kind oflike feel to it?
Oh, I mean, there's a lot of details where he's definitely
intentionally doing that again, bringing the the Texas Chainsaw

(01:05:53):
spirit upset that they don't have a name.
I was hoping we would have gotten a last name.
We call this clan, I'm not sure the the cannibal clan, but yeah,
like there's there's they have like a little bit more
personality, like you said, likecertain of them can like they
make different sounds and thingslike that and the way that they
communicate. But like, I love there's one,

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there's one shot whenever Jonesyand Amber are hanging upside
down and they were like, they'rehaving this moment where they're
like, Oh my God, we're about to die.
Like, like we're here together. It's going to be OK.
And then down below, it's like the dad showing the, the
brother, like, all right, here, take your shot.
You did really good trapping them now and you line them up
and you can get them with one shot.

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And I like, I feel like, so it'slike a just a father teaching a
son how to hunt, you know, So it's like you like got you got
that kind of moment or the, the,the, the dinner scene as well.
Like, you know, you kind of havethem all.
They why are they praying? Who are they praying to?
Mike? It made me laugh so hard that
they say grace at before they eat people and I'm like, who the

(01:06:59):
hell are they praying to? And it's saying Amen.
Even so, they're Christian, I guess.
The best villains don't think they're villains, right?
Well, not even that Villains like, yeah, they're they're just
listen, you know. Yeah, they're like we, like,
they just see other humans as part of the food chain.
At the end of the day, it's likethese persons who've wandered

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into our territory. So they're fair game, like any
of them. When it comes into this part of
our world. It's no different than if it
were like a deer or a wild boar.Like it's just like we're
hunters and this is how we sustain ourselves.
So I don't. Think that too, because they
they also make like I like the the specific addition to the
lore that the mill had been dumping chemicals into the

(01:07:43):
forest so it killed all the animals.
So they didn't have any game to live off of had to become
cannibals and the chemicals alsomaking them these kind of inbred
mutating them as well. And so I mean yeah, I mean maybe
he did not. They are not called monsters or
anything. They're they're still fucking
monsters. They're still fucking human
people. So I mean, they're still scary,

(01:08:04):
but you know, some definitely aninteresting dynamic they brought
to it. I like how it's like there's the
family and then like 3 finger and the grandpa are just like
kind of off doing their own thing.
There was like, no, we don't really hang out with the with
the family. We, we, we, we keep our distance
over here. But yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
really interesting things that they, again, like they show the

(01:08:27):
they show the mom getting mad that, you know, that the kids
are got attacked. I love how when dinner's
interrupted, she puts the food back in the pot 'cause she's
like, well, hey, this can't go cold.
Like we're going to save this for later.
Like, it's just still being a mom even.
Like it's so super funny. And I also love that Joe Lynch
goes, you know what Texas Chainsaw Massacre was missing?

(01:08:49):
Cannibal twincess sex. Yes, that's what we need to add
to this non rated movie. Jeez Louise.
Well, what's amazing too in thatscene is how like, she rolls off
that log and like springs. Is ready to go she and then she
I saw her little. Movie like when they throw the

(01:09:10):
sphere she just catches it like.She's ready to get busy.
She's awesome. Like she's just like, totally
famous. No, I think the sister's my
favorite. If I, if I had to pick a
favorite of them, I'd say the sister's my favorite because
she's like always the one like laughing at people.
She's like hitting people with the shotgun.
But yeah, she's got moved. She's ready to get busy.
And yeah, the the and her, like you said, being kind of the

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inciting incident too, I think was fascinating.
So Gia, if I have a favorite, it's a sister cannibal.
Yeah, and like, to your point, like they are setting like,
look, I I hate I hate to do this, but we are we do have to
hit it's a trap getting this movie with Kimberly Caldwell.
Like they just set a trap for her.

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Like, you know, like 3 finger just goes in the middle of the
road. Does the old I'm going to throw
myself in front of a car that's moving at a very high speed.
I don't know what's in that chemical spill where like you're
able like. They got superpowers.
They they they like can't die orsomething.
I just started watching The Boyswith my wife.

(01:10:13):
Like we're midway through season2.
Like is this Compound V where you get superpowers?
I think you're right because he gets out at a pretty high speed,
it goes over and he's able to like just get up and they.
'D be like snapping their bones back into place like like
homie's like neck even he like just like broke his neck it was
just like ah so yeah they they're they get some some some

(01:10:36):
mutant powers from these chemicals.
Maybe it was the chemicals that got in Daredevil's eyes.
Maybe it's those chemicals. Maybe because, yeah, they 'cause
I love how the grandpa was like,yeah, they even got stronger
too. So you said it like they, they,
they got super strength. They, they are very durable.
We see many of them like get stabbed and stuff.
Like that's why Henry Rahmes just has to blow them up because

(01:10:59):
like we see him get shot and stabbed and, you know, broken
bones and they coming back so. I just want to say too, almost a
decade before Art the Clown, yousee someone cut in half
vertically and it's not sold in half, which I feel is much
easier. Like you're doing this all in
one, just one good clean motion with an axe from top to bottom

(01:11:23):
and you get the cut in half and then all the guts splitting out.
And to be honest, like we've, wedid Terror Fire.
I think we spent a lot of time talking about how like there is
a lot of discomfort with that particular scene that it's been
expressed by others where here it just feels so silly that it's
hard to get mad. You know what I mean?
Like you can't get mad at the scene.

(01:11:44):
It's just so ridiculous. You cannot.
I'm not mad at you. Again, it's like, yeah, again,
it like really kind of set the tone for like what kind of
things we're going to be kind ofgetting.
But then again, like, I mean, this one does get pretty gnarly
though. Like again, like, you know, the
the parents getting thrown into the grinder like that was pretty
gnarly and at least they died together.

(01:12:05):
Happy family, happy marriage. Still good for them I guess, but
that that was a pretty gnarly one.
I also got. Treatment, Yeah, it's the end of
Fargo treatment there. I also like you talked about
them setting traps. Like I like how when they
figured out the the camera headsets and then set the trap

(01:12:26):
with Mike screaming, but then put it in the van and I was
like, oh, look at them like theyfigured it out pretty quick.
Yeah. Which it's to me is amazing
because they had never, I mean, I'm assuming never had like had
video equipment or a television or anything like that before.
So that is it's you know, of allthe things to stretch credulity

(01:12:48):
a bit in the movie, maybe I don't want to pick nits too
much, but pretty well done again, overall, Like there are
some great set pieces like that car graveyard is a great set
piece. The dinner scene.
It's you know, it's lifted directly from Texas chainsaw.
Absolutely, and I don't think Joel Lynch would make any bones
about that. I don't think he's going to say

(01:13:09):
what? No absolutely right.
But you know, like how dare you,Sir.
But I think that it's still really well done.
Like I think the razor wire at the hands to just like like
thinking of that, like digging in.
Like some of these like bigger set pieces are really well done
and like a lot of fun and like what you want out of a sequel.

(01:13:31):
Like give me, you know, like make everything bigger, make
everything bloodier and just give me more of it.
Like that's what kind of what you want in these movies.
Yeah, like I said, it's a it's anice step up because in the 1st
movie it's just exclusively themrunning around in the woods.
They go into like a cave, I guess for a little bit.
But I liking this. That's like, you know, we spend

(01:13:51):
our amount of time giving you the classic wrong turn in the
woods type stuff, but then we goto this nice again, very
elaborate set. Like it's very grungy.
It looks like, feels very tactile.
It's gross. So it's a it's like a really
well done set once we do get into that mill and it does give
us some fun set pieces within. And again, like this is when we

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finally like have the family like all together, like hunting
because like they've been kind of doing their own separate
thing throughout the movie. And I like that in this, it's
like, all right, y'all are in our house, we're all rumbling.
Is is really fun? I feel like Lynch is a guy that
can do a lot with a little. You see that here.
You see that with movies like I think it's Everly with Salma

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Hayek, which is kind of like a siege movie where she's like in
one room for the majority of that film.
Like it's kind of a fending off a lot of folks that are coming
at her mayhem, but Steve Samara Weaving and Steven you and it's
like a so much fun. And that's a single location one
too. It's all in that.
Building yeah. His last film was like Suitable

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Flash, which I thought kind of wanted a little bit more from
that. But I also it's I, I love
Heather Graham and Barbara Crampton, so I'm also not
complaining. Was still like a pretty fun
flick. And he did 4 episodes of
Creepshow, which I thought The Creepshow TV series on Shutter

(01:15:20):
that might be especially the second season.
My favorite, my favorite original work from Shutter
overall would be The Creepshow television series.
I think in particular he did onewith like Justin Long, I think
he did another one where they'rein space, which is like one of
the better episodes overall. But I really like his work

(01:15:43):
there. And he's just someone that, you
said it at the top. He's very easy to root for
because he feels like just a good dude that loves horror.
Seems like everybody enjoys working with him and, you know,
just kind of want him to make that next step, you know, and
keep doing really fun genre flicks.

(01:16:05):
Yeah, no, totally. Like he's a, you know, he makes
fun movies, like you said, like fun genre pics.
Like he, he's a he's a fan himself.
He's in the community. He knows like kind of some of
the things that people are goingfor.
He's not trying to, you know, make anything groundbreaking or
anything like that. He is here to show that he is a
fan of movies himself and kind of do his own takes on certain

(01:16:25):
things. And so yeah, I always appreciate
whatever he's out here doing. So definitely look forward to
whatever he does next. I'm a big fan of Mayhem.
Syllable Flash I thought was like pretty good.
Agree with you. Could have been, could have been
better, but I'm a big fan of Mayhem.
So yeah, very excited to see whatever he continues to do.
And this was AI think a very good as far as directorial

(01:16:47):
debuts go, pretty solid. Well, anything else where we go
or I think we can wrap this one up.
No, I think, I think we kind of hit all the, we hit all the
points. Well, you said wrong turn to
dead end, a lot of fun, but I know there's a lot of other fun
stuff out things. They're like what's going on
Devon with Spectra Cinema Club and Tainted Love right now.

(01:17:11):
I'm over on Spectra Cinema Club.March we spent doing the films
of David Cronenberg for his birth month.
The Shrouds comes out in April too, so we might do something
for that over on our Patreon. And then April is, we call it
sub genre switches like a movie that the first half is 1 sub

(01:17:33):
genre and then like completely changes into another one.
So that'd be a really fun lineupof movies that we got coming up
for that starting off with Kill List.
So if you guys haven't seen thatone now that'll be the first one
we cover for April. And then over on Tainted Love,
we just we put out an episode onInterview the Vampire with a

(01:17:54):
movie with an episode of on Femme, which I talked about in
our best of 2024 episode. So we'll be doing an episode of
that over on Tainted Love and I think possession following after
that. So I was going to be getting hot
and heavy over on Tainted Love. So new episodes of Specter
Cinema every Tuesday, new episodes of Tainted Love every

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