WRONG TURN (2021)

Mike and Devaughn are joined by returning guest Kat Hughes to talk about the way better than it has any right to be reimagining of Wrong Turn. Mike would also recommend you check out Mathew Modine's other masterpiece, Vision Quest, the only movie about high school wrestling you need to see.

Episode Transcript

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None. Hello everyone, and welcome to
the pod and the Pendulum. The podcast covers all of the
franchises one movie in one episode at a time.
As always I'm your host Mike Snoonian and this week we are
coming to the end of another franchise as we cover 2021's

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reboot of the underseen and dareI say kind of under appreciated.
A wrong turn. As always I'm not alone sitting
in the Co host chair today from the Spectre Cinema Club and
Taint did love Mr. Devon Taylor.Devon, how are we?
Hello, hello. We, we got, we, we made one more

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wrong turn, but hey, we've, we've managed to, to stay on the
road. Mainly we were patting ourselves
on the back before recording. I hope you guys like these nice
and lean episodes that we did for you guys.
I think The Exorcist, that was apretty chunky series just 'cause
that that is a lot of more thematic depth and, and, and
production things. Not these ones, you know.

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We only go as deep into the forest as the characters do.
Yeah, I feel like we've stayed on the trail for the wrong turn
series. We haven't really gone off the
beaten path too much, and I think that has served us well.
We all have our fingers and toesand we haven't been eaten.
So we've, you know, stayed on the proverbial trail and not
gotten and caught up in a lot ofside quests here.

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But we also have a returning special guest, I think.
Was it the Hell House series we last had you on for?
So. Oh my goodness, it's been that
long. Last time was saw city.
All these shows are blending in at this point as we approach 300
episodes. She you can find her writing on

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the Hollywood news in dread central.
She also Co host the podcast movies with mummy with her
daughter and the new show calledthe Savage Garden, which details
just talks about the interview with a vampire television show.
Welcome back, Miss Cat Hughes. Cat, How are we?
I'm good, yeah. I say I'm very busy with

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podcasts. 6 year old keeps me busy.
And now my friend, I was saying before we recorded, I watched
Interview the Vampire. A year later she watched it,
became obsessed. Was like, we're doing a podcast.
And I was like, OK, because she's that scary friend that you
don't say no to. So yeah.
You're like, great, we all have those scary friends.
We have them and you're like, Nope, whatever you say goes.

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So this is the friend that wouldconvince you to take a trail
that's not on the map and you would just say yes.
Yeah, I mean, we have we've we've discussed like zombie
apocalypse things and she's basically like, you guys know
that I'm leaving you all behind.It's just that's me from my.
Friends, I'm like, I'm like, if you all want to live, you know
I'm taking charge. Sorry all.

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We found out we we went to a friend wedding and we like
stayed. It was like a destination thing.
We had a hot tub and we found out that one of our other
friends was very buoyant. She's like, she's one of those
people that in a zombie apocalypse just immediately
wants to lay down and die. So she's like, you guys can use
me as a raft. So I've got I'm not a great
swimmer. So yeah, my Co host Naomi said,

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well, you need to learn to swim,otherwise I am killing Caitlin.
I'm hitching a ride on her and I'm gone.
So yeah, she she would take us like.
Into Are you sure this is a friend?
Because this feels like the JLA comic Tower.
It's like, I think the one whereBatman like has all of the

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Justice Leagues like weaknesses in a computer database.
And then one of the villains like finds that database and
uses it to take down the JLA. So is this like your friend, a
supervillain where she knows allof your weaknesses and how she
would take you all down? She's just a very, she's just a
very driven, determined woman. And if zombies come, she's not

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hanging around and we we keep upor we don't, and she will not be
sentimental about it. All right, well, let's do a
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keep the lights on. All right, enough with the
housekeeping. Let's get into some initial
thoughts here. And Cat, as our guest, would you
care to give like, just your overall thoughts on this
franchise? What made you want to guest on
the reboot and like what your initial thoughts were when you
first watched this movie? So I, I really loved the first

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Wrong Turn film. It came out I was, I was just
about to turn 18, I think. So it was very much timed
rightly for me. And I think at that point I
probably hadn't seen Texas Chainsaw.
So it was the kind of the first backwards cannibals,
hillbillies, all that, all that jazz.
And just the scene where they have to like hide under the beds

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while they watch their friends get dismembered was terrifying
to, to me at that age. I was surprised it got any other
films. And then obviously the other
films kind of lean a little bit more into the into the comedy,
but I didn't mind 2:00 and 3:00.And then I don't really like 4-5
and six, I'm afraid to say. But I think that that there's a

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lot of actors in those latter 3 that US people won't be familiar
with. And they are from some of our
not so great soap operas over here.
They're some of the not the bestactors from those soap operas.
So it was very distracting to see these characters suddenly
what I'm supposed to believe they're in an American like film

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in Virginia. I don't.
So I don't like those. But the reboot I was, I was
excited to see and I was fortunate to get an early
Screener. So I saw it before anybody new.
So I went in expecting, you know, I went in expecting the
cannibal guys and did not get that.
I was partly surprised with it. I mean, it's a it's a wrong turn

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film kind of almost just in name, but I like that.
I like that it did go in a different direction and didn't
just give us what we'd seen before because we kind of had
that for another 5 films after the original.
So yeah, I can. I just feel it's, I think like
you said it again, it's a littleunder appreciated and I just
wanted to come and kind of just champion it a little bit and be

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like, look, yeah, like preview isn't in it.
But it's it's fine. There's still some, there's
still some gnarly deaths. It's still, you know, teenagers
getting lost and getting murdered in horrible ways.
It's it's great. Our guest on Five Kennel said
the same thing about Part 5, in particular how there were like
the lead was a soap opera actor,actress and like it was just

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funny to watch. Her he gave us the the Hollyoaks
lore. Yeah.
And so it's kind of like funny you have someone else on from
overseas kind of point out. Oh yeah.
Like that whole set of films like the Declan O'Brien trilogy.
Like for whatever reason, he waslike dead set on setting on like

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setting up a number of British like actors from TV daytime
soaps. Like populating his cast with
that. I find a find that pretty
amusing. Devon, how about yourself?
What are your initial thoughts on this one?
Yeah, this one was pretty solid as far as like reimaginings go,

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because I like to make sure to differentiate.
Like I think a lot of people when they see that this is a
quote UN quote remake and then they see the way that the the
approach they take, they're like, well, this isn't a remake
at all. And it's not, you know, I do, I
like reimaginings where you justlike you take the you take the
name and the idea and you kind of like kind of spin it

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completely different. Like this picks up on certain
things that are touched on in some of the other films as far
as like, you know, looking down on people that are different and
you know, these miscommunications and perception
and things like that. They, they spend a lot more time
on that in this versus some of the other stuff that the
previous films were going in. But this does still is still a

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wrong turn movie. Again, in spirit, like, I mean,
yeah, I think you probably couldname this something else and it
could be its own thing. But at the same time, like I
think in spirit, this is still agood wrong turn a movie as far
as being out in nature and things like that and the the,
the gnarliness of this film as well.

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So as far as like that goes, I appreciate it.
You know, it's gonna be kind of unfair when we do the ranking
episode 'cause this one obviously is much more of an
actual movie than some of the other sequels we've talked.
Like this is a script that has abeginning, middle and end and
characters have arcs and stuff, you know, normal movie things

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that are missing from the movieslike 5 and number six.
Man, I, I picked the wrong episodes to come on for this
franchise. Cause the two that are my
favorites are the ones that I didn't come on for.
So that's gonna be funny to talkabout during the ranking
episode. But but yeah, I like this.

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Y'all remember in the VHS 85 episode?
I was a big fan of Mike P Nelson's his two-part addition
to the to the anthology. So I was happy to see that he
had done this and I think he does a good job.
I think it's, the production value is pretty solid, really

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good gore. I think we have a great final
girl to talk about. I'm very excited to, to put some
respect on our girl Jen here. And, and yeah, I, I, I had AI,
had a good time. I appreciated the different
angles. Don't like that it has like 3
endings, but that's fine. You know, I can, I can kind of
get past that part. But overall though, I had a, I

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had a very good time watching this and you know, I wanna do
something maybe next year I guess.
But like 2021, there's so many really great movies that just
like slip through the cracks forpeople just because obviously
like we were still weren't sure,you know, what movies were going
to be put in theaters. We were still figuring out some

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more streaming release methods and things like that.
So like 2021, I call this like kind of lost year of cinema
because like, I mean, there were, you know, people like it
was, you know, either people just now making stuff like in
COVID production or it's like, OK, these were movies that were
supposed to come out two years ago, but we had to shelve them
and now we're trying to do it. So it's like 2021 has a lot of

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really great movies that love that just unfortunately got
overlooked for, you know, various reasons, obviously.
20/21 was the year that Warner Brothers went day and date with
their studio films, correct? Like they put them on Max is the
same day that they're available in theaters and that hurt like

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movies like Matrix Resurrectionsand I think like the one movie
they didn't do that wet that's just really telling was like
Matt Reeves, The Batman, which they said like that's the one
movie we're not going to allow to go like on Max first.
Like that will be theatrical only.
And if I remember, like it pretty much cost Warner

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Brothers, Christopher Nolan, like he then kind of severed
ties with Warner Brothers and has been now he's working with I
think Universal and that's who got Oppenheimer, so.
Yeah, cause 'cause they, they tried doing that with Tennant
and he was like, no, no, no, no,he was like, definitely not,
Yeah. It was a weird year.
It was definitely a very strangeyear for movies.

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We could, yeah, we'll figure something out.
Or Spectre Cinema Club, I'm surecould do something like a pretty
amazing, like long term, like dive into that, like the last
year of movies. That's a really good way to look
at it. And I like what you said about
like reimagining or rather than like a reboot or a recoil.
Like this is definitely the time.
There's a lot of reads, there's requels, there's reboots, but

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reimagining is probably the bestway to look at this as you take
like a same kind of scenario. Like a group of college students
are hiking in the Appalachians and they get off the beaten
track and that are picked off 1 by 1 by like larger forces in
them. But this time it's you've left
the mutant hillbilly family behind and it's something much,

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much different. And I think it's handled in a
very smart way and it's done in a way can kind of talk about
this and we talk about the movie.
You don't have to ignore the initial 6 films in their
timeline in order for this movieto work.
Like it doesn't contradict anything that's happened in
those films. So not that that timeline made

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any sense to begin with. No, of course.
Yeah. And not like the wrong turn.
Series is like a sacred cow. Nudity.
Spontaneity. Right for for this franchise.
And we're not talking like one of the pillars of horror, like
how it's not like, you know, remaking wrong turn.
Like that's like remaking Jaws. Like, what are you people

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thinking like? But it doesn't have to like it's
not like Halloween where like every time the series is
rebooted, you have to like throwout 10 more films that happened
before it, which I don't know, like is a fan of any series That
feels kind of weird. Like I remember feeling it was
weird when Halloween 2018 came out and Jamie Lee Curtis was

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doing press for it by saying I don't really want to do H2.
Oi only did that for the money this time.
I'm in it for the art. Like that just felt like a weird
thing. Like, oh, so you hoodwinked US
20 years before this. Like great, you played us for
suckers. Thanks Jamie Lee, I would throw
my yogurt right back in your face.

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Literally. Because she does yogurt
commercials. Anyway, I've only seen this
movie on airplanes. Weird segue.
I've only watched this movie on airplanes.
I remember flying home from visiting like my wife's family
overseas and you have like 50 different movies you could have

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chosen from and I'm like, oh thewrong turn.
Reboot. When would I ever watch this
movie otherwise? I might as well put it on.
Solid airplane movie. Yeah, it was.
Yeah. And it was really like surprised
with like how well, how much I really enjoyed it and how like,
I really liked where it took theseries way better than I
expected it to be. And I loved how they use the end

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credits as well, which we'll talk about when we get into the
movie. And then re watching it for the
show, like watching it on the way to and the way back from our
holiday this week. And like, I might as well make
this the movie I only watch on airplanes.
So that's what I did. And it held up.
It held up a lot. All right, What do you got,

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Devon? Oh no.
No, go ahead. I was going to say, shall we get
into just a little bit of the background here for just like 5
minutes or so? Of course, let's do it.
So this was announced October 2018, coming off the success of
David Gordon Green's Halloween, Like that being a signal that

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like it was open season to like reboot slasher movies again.
And I think the remake, the remake craze, it kind of died
down by that point. And 2018, it was like, all
right, all of a sudden horror ishot again.
What properties are out there that haven't been kind of

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stripped bare at this point? So it was like Ron Turn was just
sitting there with really only one theatrical film.
And I kind of feel like most people forget that the series
existed after Part 2. And by like most people, I would
say myself. I, I think, I think you're,

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you're correct there. But yeah, this was David
Gorengreen is gonna be the blamefor, you know, yeah, for the
next still the next five years. I think he's also killed the the
the requels again too with his Exorcist movie.
So he kind of brought them back and like you said, it was kind
of open season. Now people are like, and then he

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did Exorcist believer and then people are like, you know what,
OK, maybe we shouldn't do all these requels.
Let's scale back. So he's kind of the and brought
it back in, but then also killedit himself too.
It's it's kind of hard to blame David Gordon Green for Exorcist
believer. It's it's a bad movie.
Like he did not make a good movie.

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So I mean, it's it's probably one of the worst in the series.
And we kind of asked the question, is it better to be
like bug nuts, crazy like Exorcist 2 and just be an
incoherent movie, but at least you're going for big swings or
something completely bland like Believer.
And I think we all kind of came down on the side of like, yeah,

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we'd rather be the heretic than believer.
But like Universal, paying $300 million before you budget for a
single movie for the rights of The Exorcist is absolutely like
that is 80s cocaine. You know, binge type of decision

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making, like you just don't really see that anymore.
Like that is just someone tryingto get fired from their job.
I think when you do that. Sorry, I was sorry.
I was looking up the the box office stuff while you were
mentioning that. Anyway, Alan McElroy is brought

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back to write his first script on this series since the
original film he would had done other movies like Halloween 4 is
probably what he's best known for, the return of Michael
Myers, which one of the more funHalloween sequels also wrote.
John Cena is the Marine, so you can blame Alan McElroy for John
Cena getting his star in acting.Blame you mean thank him.

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John Cena is one of the better wrestler gone actors that we
have. He's hilarious.
It was just he realized he didn't need to do action movies
is he just needed to do comedy. Do you have to play like the
thick necked dad in pretty much all these fun is the peacekeeper
as well. So his heel turn so far has been
met with kind of mixed mixed signals, mixed reviews,

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something people have wanted for20 years and John Cena like
doing therapy therapy TikTok speak is a way to blame the fans
is not make for compelling television is a heel.
Just say that. Everybody's just like, oh man.
It's just it's not the way we thought it was going to be.
Quick 32nd tangent on pro wrestling.

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What's super hard about wrestling now is they've pulled
the curtain back so much and they like are so open about how
it's just a show that fans don'treally cheer heels anymore.
There's no more of those like 80year old grandmothers like
trying to hit the fabulous free birds with like their purses,

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like getting so worked up in anger, like flicking their lit
cigarette butts and trying to like brain them with like their
purses on a Saturday night at the Sportatorium.
There's not that. So when someone's like a bad guy
now, now you cheer the heels. And I think that kind of ruins
wrestling to a large degree. But.
Yeah, I mean, we're in the age where everybody, like, already

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has trouble, you know, separating reality in a way.
So it's like, yeah, the fact that's like kind of peeled back
is because now it's just like, oh, they're the heel.
But then you like, go and like, look up like, oh, let's see if I
can find some previous tweets that they had about some
nefarious things. It's like, oh, Jesus, you know.
So yeah, it is unfortunate that the the the heel is kind of lost

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its luster a little bit. Yeah.
And also, when you're like a babyface, you have to kind of be
a chump, and nobody wants to root for a chump, you know what
I mean? Like the just nobody wants to do
that. Anyway.
That has been our wrestling minute.
And I'm sure we can, Ari and I could do more patron minutes on
that. Mike P Nelson tap the direct not

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has done a few other things, butprobably best known for this in
the dual segment in VHS 85 No wake and Ambrosia.
The two segments that are like tied in together where the water
is what keeps you alive despite horrific like life ending
injuries. And I think those are two of the
highlights. I know we both like VHS 85 and I

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would say those are two great segments.
I think this guy should be doingmore.
I would say those are my 2 favourites, yeah.
He should definitely be doing more.
Yeah, he did. Sorry.
He did the the domestics as wellin 2018 with Kate Bosworth and
the guy that played Superman in the TV series Tyler.
Tyler Heckman. Yes, the the T wolf.

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So I actually watched this I watched it this morning, a day
of recording because I knew thatwe were going to be talking
about it then it's a post apocalypse something some poison
has happened and killed off, youknow, most of the population as
they do. And now everybody has everyone's
turned into different factions with like this like like where
they all like dress like literally, you know, to do with

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the nailers. Yeah, like there's like the
nailers and the sheets and the plough boys and the gamblers,
and it's about this couple who were about to get divorced and
then the world broke and they kind of stayed together.
But now she wants to cross the country to be with her parents

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and he's kind of he's doing it to try and win her back.
And along the way they everybodywants to murder him and barter
with with Kate Bosworth body, which is a bit ick.
But yeah, it's it's got some impressive like gun sequences
and there's a, there's a there'sone scene where the two of them

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are sort of placed against each other in Russian roulette, which
is quite fun considering that they're the whole point of this
film is will they won't they getback together and will they,
won't they survive the apocalypse?
So putting them in a Russian roulette scenario is quite,
quite fun. But yeah, it was very different
to both VHS 85 and Wrong Turn. But it's a nice little like

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apocalypse, you know, 90 minutesspent in front of the TV.
I see it's got a little Lance Reddick in there, some David
Desmolchian. And so.
Yeah, yeah, this is my Oh, he's blonde.
Oh. He's woo David does much it.
Yeah, He's he's blonde in it. He's blonde and very, very,

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very, yeah, very aristocratically camp.
Oh, OK. Definitely, definitely check
that out. So what you're?
Saying my watchlist. Nelson is a guy with some range,
like he's doing some different types of films and he's.
Also been tapped to he the AI. Guess a 2025 Silent Night deadly

(26:17):
night is coming. Yes, with lots of space from
yeah, with the dude from fake Michael Myers, from How do we.
Oh, yeah. Rowan Campbell, Corey.
Corey Cunningham. He's back.
And now he's wearing a Santa suit.
Can't wait. Yeah.
OK, so we'll see if the third time is a charm, unlike

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rebooting the Silent Night Deadly Night series.
We'll see how we do on on that one.
And I think that's coming from Bloody Disgusting as well.
Like so I wonder if that'll get like the terror fire treatment
where that goes into theaters and maybe get seen by like a
wider A wider audience. And then you could have.
Says coming to cinema, so yeah, he'll.

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Be he'll be something to look forward to, then someone else to
look forward to. Like this film.
It stars like Matthew Modine, who I think most people know
from Stranger Things at this point, like if you're younger,
but I know him from Vision Quest.
Have either of you ever seen Vision Quest?
Yeah, it sounds familiar and nowI'm trying to look it up.

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No. If you ever need an 80s movie
about high school wrestling, this is the movie for you.
It is incredible. It's something that like my team
mates and I used to watch on VHSto get amped up before big meets
the soundtrack and like stuff like Dio on it.
It was like the kind of movie where you wanted to like just

(27:46):
run through a wall every time you watched it.
And it's like Matthew Modine is like a high school like varsity
wrestler that is on a collision course with like the best
wrestler in the state. And there's no real villain in
it. It's not like The Karate Kid
where you have like Daniel and Johnny Lawrence and Johnny

(28:08):
Lawrence is just like a bully. It's like you never really see
this other dude unless he's likeabsolutely destroying someone on
the mat. And it's like everything
Modine's character has to do. And then he has like AI want to
say it's like not Linda Cardelli, but Linda Florentino
maybe where he has like very feared.

(28:30):
Thank you. He has like an affair with her.
Like she's much older than him and it's very inappropriate, but
God love him. But he does that at one point in
Vision quest. I do not recommend strongly
enough. It's amazing, I love it.
It's a little distracting in this, like whenever he showed
up, I was like, what are you doing here?

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And and like, I don't know, he and.
Dad of the years, what he's doing here.
Truly, truly, like he definitelywas was out here, but it just a
very random person being this. I was just like, what are you
doing here? It is you know, we we talked
about it with like Doug Bradley in in wrong turn 5.

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Like it seems like the kind of move where you give like half
the budget to Doug Bradley in order to get a name.
And I don't think that they would have done that here.
Like Matthew Modine is not enough of a name where like the
kids are like it's Modine Monday.
What are we popping in? You know what I mean?
He's just a solid actor. He's like Carrie Ulis in saw.

(29:36):
Like it's not like you went to see that because Carrie Ulis was
in it. But it's just like, no, he's
just very solid. So I don't know.
I dug him here. We can definitely.
We'll talk about that in a little bit.
It was set for a 2020 release. It COVID pushed that back by
December of 2020, Lionsgate decides like we're going to

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release it one night only in theaters before putting it
straight to VOD. And unless I'm like looking at
the numbers wrong, it does 5 almost $5,000,000 like one night
in January in a theatrical release which.
So it's, it's not, it's not one night, 'cause I was looking at

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it 'cause most of that total is international and the, and the
international release dates are all over the place.
So it it got like over 2021, like it got various releases in
different countries, but. Domestically, it was one night
here. Domestic only, it doesn't it?
It doesn't say how long or how many theaters it was in for.

(30:42):
Box Office Mojo is a very shittywebsite.
They need to fix it. But yeah, so I can't.
The only thing it says is it says the domestic opening was
like $106,000. So I don't know, maybe it got
like a week maybe or something because it just has like it, it
has steadily accumulated internationally to to get a
little something. Well, Long story short, it is

(31:07):
like you said, Devon, like that weird time in movies where
theaters weren't quite open. We didn't know what we were
getting. And it would have been
interesting to see, like what this could have done given like
a traditional release, like given that or would it have been
better off if it was like now itmight go straight to Netflix,
straight to Amazon, straight to Hulu, get like a pretty good

(31:30):
like weekend. A lot of people watch it like
Predator, Prey, like when like they said, how many people watch
that movie? The first weekend it came out,
it was enough that you know, nowBadlands is going to go straight
to theaters because you think there's enough interest.
Again, if something like that happened with this movie where

(31:51):
it got like put on like a streaming service and there was
a big deal made around that, if you would have seen like a
follow up announced pretty quickly, they would have gone
back into like theaters for a more standard run.
It's like Macquarie last this Macquarie talked about this
being part of a trilogy, but there's really not been any talk
about that over the past two years.

(32:12):
So kind of feels like right now,what you see is what you get.
Yeah, I mean, I don't really seehow they would follow this up
anyways. I mean, she she took out the the
head of the foundation now. So I mean, I guess, you know,
there's still people out there in the woods, I guess.
But but I was just like, yeah. But you know, I like that this
is, you know, its own thing. And I guess that is where the

(32:33):
multiple endings comes in. It's like, okay, well, thanks.
I guess let's wrap it up extra tightly.
So I don't really need more follow-ups in this vein from it.
I'm fine with it as it is. Maybe the next wrong turn is
just like a buddy comedy and it's literally they make a bunch
of wrong turns on a road trip. It's kind of like a spoof of the

(32:56):
vacation films. I mean, if they wanted to do
like some sort of like anthologywhere it's just like, what are
the different type? Like, you know, like, OK, you
make a wrong turn driving, but then like, OK, well, if you make
a wrong turn in the waters or like, you know, wherever you
make a wrong turn, you know, youknow, I don't know, there's
maybe various scenarios you could kind of do that, but yeah.

(33:17):
If you make a wrong turn in the water, there's just more water.
Just like that's the fucked up thing about the ocean.
It's so big. Anyway, let's talk about this
movie a bit and Cat, maybe we'llstart with you.
Like you have an interesting note here on kind of comparing
this with like another entry in like a long running horror

(33:38):
series in terms of like the kindof film it is.
You want to talk about that a bit?
Going to find what night that's I don't I think for me, it's
just the fact that it yeah, it'sI think so often with these
series is it's just you know, it's rinch repeat.

(33:58):
And as we've said, this is more of a a reimagining.
And I think for for me, something that I really enjoyed
was the the progression with thestock characters.
You know, we've got for so long we've had, you know, the, the
bitch, the jock, the, you know, the Stoner and everything.
And this this kind of gives us adifferent group of characters to

(34:19):
to play with. I mean, I can't remember what
Jen introduces them or doesn't it.
It's like, you know, she's a doctor and he does this and he's
got a non profit and that they're not your typical
characters. And just also the fact that, you
know, everybody's not white and straight was quite refreshing to
to see, particularly if you compare this one to the the

(34:40):
original wrong turn. You know, that's very, it's very
white and very, you know, very straight.
This one was a bit more progressive.
And it's, I really like how it also then deals with who's the
villain that I think that was the thing that really stood out
on my first watch was it's kind of watching that first
interaction between the college kids when they're at the at the

(35:03):
bar, which is a very, it's a very like American Werewolves
locals only bar with like, who are these kids?
What are they doing here? But I like how you kind of like,
well, I kind of feel like our main characters are the
villains. I kind of feel that they're the
Dicks here. Like it's not like back in the
day when, you know, the teens were being judged for like, oh,
it's these, you know, teens havecome to that party and have sex.

(35:25):
It's it's them instead for beinglike, well, don't you know who
we are? We're we're proper people with
proper jobs. Yeah, we're proper people with
proper careers. Who?
Who you guys here in your backwater town?
So I did like what it was was doing with that, which made it a
little bit more than your your atypical slasher.

(35:45):
Yeah, the the the main characters, yeah, for sure.
I get to get a little bit more flavor for sure.
I think again, also a little, not that these are like the best
actors in the world, but I thinkoverall the cast is a little bit
more solid in this one, you know, with having, you know, a
lot of them getting a fair amount of like emotional beats
and stuff. That bar scene is so cringy.

(36:06):
Oh my gosh. Like, like I was just like, Oh
my gosh, shut up. Like whenever and they're like,
oh, like, like let me give him athing.
You might want to get those yellow spots checked out.
You might have jaundice. It's like, oh, and you got him
like like, you know, it's just, it's so silly.
And like the way that they like keep going in that scene too.
Like it's like they could easilylike end the altercation and

(36:28):
then it's like, Nope, let's keepit going a little bit more even
like let's say some more shit. It's just like like chill.
Like whenever she's just like, he works a nonprofit and they're
like, well, you know, it's like the, yeah, there's the way that
they kind of set them up works out really well because I like
the way that that, you know, scene plays out.
And then whenever it comes to the, their court trial, whenever

(36:53):
like, you know, like everything is explained, it's just like,
Nope, sounds like you accidentally murdered a guy
'cause you, you, you know, didn't take the time to like,
you know, figure out the situation or, or was it, you
know, 'cause I, I, I do kind of dislike that.
Then the, the foundation people are like, no, the leader guy is
kind of evil. So it's like, I, I kind of don't

(37:14):
like that they went back on that.
But I think it was a nice set upthough, again, of these people
from a different social class, looking at the, the people in
the woods a certain way, the people that live in town a
certain way. And then the way that that comes
back around to at the end where it's like, Oh no, we were trying
to, we were being assholes to you because we were trying to
help you the whole time. It's like, well, or you don't

(37:36):
have to do that. It's kind of funny, but I think
it's still set up nicely. And again, like it 'cause
that's, it's touched on in a couple of the wrong turn movies,
you know, like whenever they're like, oh, you know, just the
idea of, you know, making fun of, you know, backwoods people
and the way that they live and stuff.

(37:57):
And in, I will say I do, I do miss the cannibalism in this
one. But at the same time, I like
that it really only spends, it'slike, you know, that first half
is like where you think, oh, we're doing classic wrong turn
stuff. They're getting hunted in the
woods. And then it's like the
second-half is like, oh, OK, nowit's, it's completely own thing.

(38:20):
We just did a whole month on Spectre Cinema of like movies
that like kind of set you up as one thing and then turn into
something else. So it's like, I like that this
you do get, you know, for the most part they get.
So I kind of have their cake andeat it too, where they're like,
OK, here's the survival horror stuff in the woods.
Them, you know, the, you know, trying to figure out what's
going on, avoiding traps, thingslike that.

(38:40):
Like I thought that was fun. And then it's like, OK, we only
need to do this for an hour and now let's transition.
Devon, I have a specific question for you when it comes
to the bar stuff as a resident bartender.
But before that, like you mentioned how like, oh, it veers
off in a different direction. And I'm wondering for both of

(39:01):
you, did you know that went before you watch this movie or
did that come as a surprise likemidway through?
Because I feel like that was notpart of the I think that was
kept secret or less maybe I justwasn't paying attention that
like this was not going to be your typical wrong turn and that
you have like 3 finger and his like inbred brothers.

(39:23):
Like you were led to believe that that's what it was going to
be going in versus like what yougot here, which is no, it's a
secret society that is like off kind of living in your their
own. And either of you like know that
heading in or do that come as a surprise.
I don't, I don't really rememberwhenever they did any marketing

(39:44):
for this. So I'm not really sure.
I just remember it was, hey, there's a different wrong turn
movie coming out. And then when it came out, like
people mentioned like, Oh yeah, it's I got this like under, you
know, people in the hills kind of the village kind of vibe a
little bit to it. But I, I didn't really see
again, because like, I feel likethey weren't really marketing

(40:06):
this movie too hard either. Like, you know, 'cause what are
we? Where are we sending the people
to? I'm saying that you.
Got like a 50. Dollar market.
So yeah, I'm not sure. I don't really remember.
Yeah, for me, I had a a press release and I think the press
release was really light on on details.
And he just said we have there'sa remake of Wrong turn and being

(40:28):
a fan of the first one, I say OK.
And I've seen remakes before, soI kind of know what I'm getting
in for. You know, I'm going to I'm going
to have hillbilly cannibals and I'm going to have some some last
college students. And you said, you know, that the
first part of the film is kind of leading into that direction.
You're you're waiting. Well, obviously it starts with,
you know, with the dad looking and then it flashes back to six

(40:48):
days earlier. So you know that they've gone
missing and you're waiting for like, OK, so let's, let's you
know, let's get the guys out. Where are they?
And then that doesn't happen. And it was a surprise to me
because all I was told it was a remake of Wrong Turn.
And you hear a remake of Wrong Turn and you've sat through the
six films before. You kind of think, you know what
you're going to get. And it.

(41:09):
Yeah, So it did take, it did take me by surprise.
And I think to the point of mostof my review was just going,
look, guys, if you're expecting the normal wrong turn film,
probably not for you, you know, because I think it was one of
those films that if people did go in expecting that, they were
like, oh, this film is shit. It's not wrong.
It's a shit because they weren'tgiving it a chance because they

(41:29):
thought it was going to be this thing.
So I was trying that in my review to kind of temper
expectations and be like, it's still violent, there's still
people getting murdered and stuff.
It's just like that family is not in it.
I'm trying to picture in my headthe person who goes into the 7th
wrong turn turn film after parts3/4 five.

(41:50):
I like 6 a lot, but you know, it's not a great movie, but it's
a fun movie. But I'm trying to think of the
person who goes into like the wrong turn reboot with high
expectations. And I don't know if I want to
meet that person. Like I might find them a little
bit frightening. What do you mean?
It's probably Ari. It's why.
Why are you Todd? What's 5?
Are you talking? No, This is her choice.

(42:12):
So you're the one who should fire in shots?
You're like who has high expectations for wrong turn
movies? Our girl Ari does.
Jeez, Mike. Oh my.
God, that was good, very good. But you know what I mean, Like
there's they have a wrong turn Pennant in their hands and they
have like 3 finger on ATI don't.Know I'm going to put three

(42:34):
finger on AT shirt. Honestly, I think that's my
biggest take away from this franchise is I think 3 Finger is
a little bit of an underrated I I wouldn't say he's an icon
because he's not unfortunately, but he should be.
But you know, so I'll make the three finger T-shirts myself.
Fair enough. I, I feel like you guys both
mentioned, like the students here in this one, I feel like

(42:56):
they're poverty tourists. Do you know what I mean?
Like they're like in their supernice SUV, you see, like the shot
of the home that Jen comes from,like it's a very nice, like
suburban neighborhood. They are.
Oh. Yeah.
And they're, they're, they're like they're hiking.
Yeah. They're glamping, is what we

(43:17):
call it. Glamping is a great like they're
gonna do like in a Crombie and Fitch like photo shoot in the
middle of the woods. Like, that's how they're dressed
and they're like. Because they have no reason to
be doing this hike. They're just like, oh, we're
just gonna go hike the Appalachian Trail just because.
And it's like, don't even want to be there doing a hike to
begin with. Like they're just, you know,
yeah. So it's like, oh, yeah, let's go
somewhere else. Like this is a a cheaper

(43:38):
vacation than like, you know, like going somewhere nice.
Like, oh, let's get out into nature, guys.
Yeah. Well, they put it like Jen has
to go find herself, I think. Oh yes, of course, Because
that's what part. Oh, because she's she's they
they though, Because there's thewhole thing.
She can't decide if she's gonna work with her dad or not.

(43:59):
So, OK, I need to go find myselfin the trails to make this
decision. Sure, go.
Sure. Whatever you say.
Go into this like locals bar andthey're clearly interlopers
there. Like we have bars like that in
like Boston in the South Shore area where it's like it's a
locals bar. It's not somewhere that you're
going to go. And you're just if you're not a

(44:20):
local and you're certainly not going to go in there if you're
not a local and decide that you're going to like very loudly
talk down about everybody that'sthere who just want to like kick
back and have a couple beers andshoot some pool and then go
home. And that was my question,
Yvonne, for you was like, have you ever tended bar at like a

(44:40):
spot that is like this is for the locals?
And if like you're coming from outside of this spot, like you
kind of need to mind your PS andQS and not be an asshole.
I mean, I mean, one of the bars I guess is was a very
neighborhood centric bar, but ityeah.

(45:00):
But never, never kind of in thisnature where it's like, you
know, like, because again, like I, I think Nelson does a good
job of like doing it on both sides, you know, because it's
like, yes, they need to mind themselves and like they're
being kind of Dicks. But then it's like also just
like, hey, if you're a local, you don't need to just menace
people and like stare at them from across the room just

(45:21):
because like, yes, you've pointed out the difference that
they are don't fit in around here.
We can all see that. So it's like they, they do it on
both sides where it is like locals being a little extra edgy
of being like, Hey, this is our spot.
Don't don't fuck with us, don't fuck with us.
You know, so they, they kind of do it in a way where it's like,
OK, you, you they, they very much still look like assholes.

(45:45):
But then it's like you can also see where it's like, OK, the
town, you know, it's like, well,it's like, hey, like we're not
trying to judge you. But like when you walk over and
you just start offering servicesthrough the trail, like, you
know, but like, OK, yeah, I'm going to kind of be on edge with
you guys a little bit. So it's like it's a little bit
of both. I, I think the main message I

(46:06):
got from this movie is that likethere is a certain kind of like
Jen is a very specific kind of like young white liberal woman.
And it is the kind of person that will get us all killed at
the end of the day. Like she, for as much as you
want to say like she's a great final girl, put some respect on

(46:27):
her name. Every decision she either makes,
her facilitates seems to get them a little bit deeper.
Into the I believe that Adam guymore than I blame her.
He sure, he's definitely a little bit more annoying.
Time. Oh true, definitely, definitely
more annoying. But, you know, she like, lies to
the tribunal, and then one friend ends up dead and the

(46:51):
other friend ends up, you know, blinded, made deaf, dumb and
blind. But see, that's why I, I think
it's, I think that's why it's sofulfilling at the end because
it's like, yeah, she, she fucks up.
She makes a few mistakes and it's like, and she, you know,
accounts for them and she has tofucking like it's not 6 days,
it's six weeks that she has to suffer with these people.

(47:13):
So she'll like, put in the long game and like, she's she.
Gets her redemption at the end and all her friends are dead so
like good for her like everybodyelse winds up dead while she
gets to like eat, pray and love with this like community.
For everybody else made their own decisions to Adam was the
one that actually killed them. You know, like the the the log

(47:35):
thing that wasn't anybody's fault.
So I mean, there's you know, like, yeah, she makes a few.
She does make a few long tons inin judgment, Millie.
Didn't do anything to deserve her fate.
Poor Mello was just like going to be in the woods.
Yeah, but but no, Jen didn't do anything to make that happen.
She fell in the pit herself. No, you're blaming Jen too much.

(47:57):
I mean, she again, she does makeher mistakes, but I think she
definitely gets to redeem. But I feel like, well, she's the
one that is also like trying to talk tough with all the locals.
Oh, definitely. Look at what if all my friends
have accomplished and it's like,what about you?
She's like, yeah, I'm going to work for my dad maybe.
I have a dance degree. I have two degrees and dance.

(48:20):
It's like, oh great, like, you know, like how many?
Like I, I know a lot of gens in my life.
They should have. Named her Karen.
Like I honestly think they should have named her Karen.
I don't know. I think that would have been a
better use of the character. I don't know.
I mean, it's a. Very specific type of character
that existed during. I think this like very specific

(48:42):
time in making. We weren't really calling people
Karen's just yet, though. I think, I think it were.
I feel like it was a little early before we really started
doing Oh, well, no, there was the that the evil Karen movie
did come out in 2021. So I guess this was the heart of
Karen. Dash Cam is like 2022.
So that's in the works. And I don't know, I just feel

(49:04):
like she it's a cautionary tale.I would say against like if
there's like a Jen in your life,like you might want to proceed
with some some caution. I also think like it's interest
like wrong turned 6, like Arya and I have both talked about and
we were talking on the slack about it, about how it's, if

(49:26):
not, it's like the kinkiest of all the wrong turn movies.
Like there's definitely an S&M thing and it's like very not,
not very subtle in it. And this one definitely pulls
away again from this is the Gen.Z wrong turn movie for sure.
And that like nothing freaky is going to be seen in this movie

(49:47):
whatsoever. Like the camera will definitely
pan up before you see anything remotely sexual whatsoever, and
it's very Gen. Z in that.
Regard, you know, it's, it's fascinating cuz whenever I would
watch the, the various films andI'd like to see what other
people think about this franchise.
And that seems to be a complaintfrom a lot of people is that the

(50:10):
wrong turn movies are too too much nakedness and Declan
O'Brien is too horny. But the guy that did 6, he is
way horny. Yeah.
Which I'm with stuff up there. Like, I mean, I'm cool there.
Like, I mean, it's just like something that I was like, I
accepted. I was like, this is part of the
wrong turn franchise. Wrong turn franchise loves
titties. That's OK.

(50:31):
I'm fine. Like, I love titties too.
But, you know, but then they they definitely progressively
do. And then but like you said, like
this is almost staunchly like whenever, you know, they're
like, OK, we're not showing anything.
And but even still, because I think the implication on the way
that like, you know, like, 'cause that scene is like kind

(50:51):
of like it is upsetting whenevershe's like whenever Jen has to,
whenever she is talking, offering her and her friend and
what skills they have to like, survive.
I'm not. Even thinking of that scene, I'm
thinking it like the end before they go hiking or where they're
glamping in the forest and like they're just kind of pairing off
as couples and it's. Oh yeah.
I mean, yeah, we don't, we don'tget any of that.

(51:13):
But then again, like, I guess a typical Wrong Turn movie would
have like shown the stuff that we got later whenever she's
like, offering herself. So yeah, it definitely goes the
other way in that this is also the only Wrong Turn movie that
doesn't feature a Stoner. I've realized that all the Wrong
Turn movies have at least one Stoner Stoner representation.

(51:33):
Don't have that here either. We're not smoking any weed.
This is a very sober Wrong Turn movie, minus the part being at
the bar. But.
I think like a meal, aren't they?
I mean, they, I guess they've got like a, they've got like a
glass each with the meal, but they're not, they're drunk.
They're like having a nice little meal in the middle of the
bar. It's just it's interesting where

(51:56):
it's definitely trying to be a little bit more highbrow.
It's definitely trying to go fora.
Little This is a serious movie and like the other movies have
an air of fondness to them. This is I would not say is fun.
You know, like the the survival stuff is pretty intense, like in
the woods. Once they are, you know, get

(52:17):
integrated into the foundation people, it's a very serious
again. I I mean, I guess the ending is
kind of where we get a little bit of our fun, but like,
compared to the other entries inthe series, this is like the
least, like it's the most serious.
I do appreciate, like, as the father of a daughter, I do

(52:37):
appreciate they let the dad livebecause I feel like most movies
he's going to rescue her only toget like an arrow through the
eye at the very end. And I do like that, you know,
Matthew Modine as the dad gets to live and I appreciate that he
wasn't like, you don't find out.It's like, oh, have let me
introduce you to my dad, Rambo. Like he's some like ex special

(53:01):
forces guy that can go in and just like tear shit up.
Like, no, he's just this like suburban dad that like is a
building contractor and he has kind of no idea what he's doing.
Like he gets his head handed to him by the locals who I think it
is hilarious later on where they're like we thought if we

(53:21):
just beat your ass like to the point where you were unconscious
that you would forget about yourdaughter and go away.
Like that is how we were going to convince you to leave was
like by handing you like an ass whooping.
Again, it's like if you really were trying to save them from
the mountain people, why don't you just, I don't know, say so
just be like, hey, there's there's these people that live

(53:43):
in the mountains. They have their own secret
society. Don't go up like it's dangerous.
Like literally you don't want. To buy bracelets from them.
Why does that woman need $10 or the bracelet, by the way?
Like they don't have money in there.
Well, some of them, well, some of them still well, some of them
still go into town. So I'm assuming even though yes,
they say how they mostly live off the land and resources, I'm

(54:07):
assuming they occasionally go into town for like things that
they like. Do you think she.
Has a talk like it's kind of hard to be a secret society when
you're like, selling your jewelry.
She's just that's why she's justtrunk side.
Yeah, like, you know, she's. Kind of hilarious, but I also
thought that his wife and the stepmom was low key one of the

(54:30):
most evil characters in a movie We're.
The stepmom literally just beinglike, hey, forget about your
daughter cuz it's like, yeah, that thing like focus on my
kids, our kids. I was like, geez, girl.
I was like, still like, yes, even though she's an adult,
like, yeah, like, I mean, you know, I'm not like me and my

(54:50):
parents, like we don't like haveto like talk on the phone like
all that often. Like I know some people.
I do it everyday. I, you know, I talk to my
parents on the phone like once aonce a week, once every two
weeks or something. But like if it goes past three
weeks then and they haven't heard from me, yeah, like it's
OK to start worrying now. And it's been 6 and the wife is
and the and the stepmom is stilljust like I don't know from.

(55:12):
You like, I know you're hiking somewhere dangerous, kind of let
me know. And she's like, she's a selfish
bitch. That's why she's doing this.
Just ignore her like cat. Notoriously selfish at hiking.
Oh my God you love your hike. You're so fucking selfish.
Yeah, like Cat and I know your daughter is super young, but

(55:33):
like imagining like a time 15 years from now, how long would
you go without hearing from her,knowing she's going?
Look at that little guy right there.
How long would you go before you're like, I need to go find
my kid because I have not heard from them in weeks?
She's pretty independent. So I mean, I'm hoping that she

(55:53):
still checks in. But yeah, you know, you would I
think six weeks. That's especially as the trip
was only supposed to be like a few days.
Like, you know, we've we've all seen Blair Witch, you know,
people get lost in the woods allthe time.
This you know, there is there's so much that can happen on a
trail. You know, there could be a luck

(56:14):
that comes in like bludging somebody to death.
You know, they could get 127 hours that story, you know,
where you know, he had to like soar his arm off because he gets
got caught in a rock. I don't think it's too wrong.
I do kind of question why he hasn't maybe rung around like
the boyfriend's parents and stuff have been like, hey, have
you heard anything? Because I haven't heard
anything. Yeah, of how he takes this on as

(56:35):
a solo endeavour. He doesn't yeah, roundup like
because he obviously he said thename of the boyfriend, so he
knows the boyfriend. So yeah, one could assume he
could have just been like, hey parents, let's get a few of us
together. Let's go head out this.
He just took this on solo. All the other parents are in a
wine club with the stepmom. Like we got book club this week.

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Like we're not going. Yeah, I don't know.
But even past that, like the endof the movie when this, you have
to imagine she knows like what her step kid, what Jen's gone
through. Like she's gone through this
trauma and she's like, oh, hello, like random Viking sized
stranger with this weird accent that is just randomly shown up

(57:19):
in our neighborhood. Come on in for pizza and movie
night like no regard. Almost like, hey, our daughter
Jen will be home in 20 minutes. Feel free to abscond with her
while I go make smoothies in thekitchen.
Just kind of like, please wipe your feet on the way out because
you know, like we like to keep her place looking nice like she

(57:41):
was. My kids, like my kids want more
inheritance money. So yeah, she can just disappear
her. That's more money for my kids.
Yeah, like I remember the worst thing I've done in terms of
being negligent. Like I took my daughter to see
Bikini Kill and she was standingin front of me like I was on a
little riser in front of her. And she befriended some like 30

(58:03):
year old woman who like took my daughter under her wing at that
show. And I'm standing next to my
sister and her husband. And the woman bought my daughter
like a Shirley Temple, like a non alcoholic drink.
And I'm like, cool, whatever. Not thinking like this woman
could have put anything in it, like not even thinking that.
And my sister is like punching me in the arm going, what are

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you doing letting the stranger buy a.
I'm like, we're in a punk show. I think we'll be fine.
I'm like right here. Let alone if this was like a
Viking sized man after my daughter had been through like
this grueling tragedy, I think Iwould be a bit more cautious
about letting people in at that point.

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Oh, totally. Like yeah, like very just
insensitive. Yeah, I'm be like, oh, I found
out my stepdaughter just spent six weeks in how in with some
mountain society people. I'm like, yeah, let me just
enter, let a whole bag of strangers come in.
But I do want to talk about the the kind of whole shift and get

(59:06):
and talk about the foundation people a little bit because I
find it. I do find it very fascinating.
Like the way that, like I said, we see that, we see that trial
and we see that it was like, oh,this is like all this was a
miscommunication. Like we fucked up.
And I really liked that. And then, you know, kind of and
then you see like, yeah, like the the what they subject people

(59:29):
do, you know, for their laws. It's like either a like, oh, we
deserve retribute. This person's family deserves
retribution. Now we're going to kill your
friend the same way he killed them.
I was like, I was like, yeah, I get it.
And then like, you know, and nowyou kind of see all that.
But then I do I, I don't like how like when we get to this
like final scene and it's like, oh, we're after her now because

(59:50):
she's got the baby and all the things like the I, I like that
they are set up that is this like kind of whole
misunderstanding. But then as the movie goes on,
it's like, no, these people are a little bit a, a a little bit
evil still. I'm not about.
Evil, but they're primitive. Well, I mean, I mean just in not
literally evil, but like they are made out to be.

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No, these are still villains when you watch.
I kind of wish they would have kept it a little bit more
teetering on that line. I think they set it up really
well of being like, oh, like these people like didn't do
anything wrong. Like they were just doing their
usual stuff. But then we see later though
that they willingly or that theydo actually try to get people to

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get lost in the woods. So that way they have an excuse
to hunt them and be like, oh, you just came into our land and
set off our traps. Like, you know, like we're OK.
But it's like, but then you findout later that it's like, no,
they go into town and they do like kind of scout people and
lead them awry to then get caught in these and traps and
stuff. But I thought, I thought it was

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interesting though, like, 'causethey're like, hey, we got no
diseases out here. Everybody works, everybody eats
all these things, Bah, Bah, Bah.And it's like, Oh yeah, you're
kind of here. Yeah.
You're making some good points there.
Sounds, sounds chill. Cat, what was your take on the
what was your take on this, thiskind of group, the foundation,

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as it were? I thought it was definitely an
interesting booth for for the series to go into, but I think
it's I don't know if you any of you guys ever caught any of the
100. They were very much kind.
Of yeah, I never finished it, but those, those first three
seasons are bangers. Yeah.
Yeah, and that's that's the onesthat it's kind of like

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particularly the first couple. They, the foundation kind of
reminded me of them mixed with Idon't know if you guys also saw
the TV show the the Outsiders, which had cow Gallner and the
dude from Sons of Anarchy. And they were like a, a
community of hill people and they would like come into town

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and it like going into town was sort of forbidden, but they also
needed to, to go in to, to get some produce and, and whatnot.
Oh shit, cow Gallner's hair is crazy in this.
What? Yes, yes, he has beautiful,
beautiful flowing locks and he'she does a lot of action.
Obviously Carl's best known for for horror, but he does actually

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got a lot of fighting. I think he's in a fight ring.
Like he goes in town to earn money as a as a fighter.
But it's kind of the foundation kind of reminded me sort of as a
blend of of those two groups of people, which I thought was
fascinating. I think I too, would prefer that
they weren't revealed to be as villainous.

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I think there would have been a lot more fun with with Shades of
Grey. Like Jen's been there for six
weeks and she hasn't really beentreated that bad.
But actually she's decided that,no, she does want to go and work
with Daddy, and she does quite like having money and she kind
of wants it out of there for that.
I think I would have kind of. And then that's why they're then
kind of bringing her back because it's like, yeah, but you

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were having so much fun and, youknow, you, you, you, you were
carrying a baby and, you know, come back or, you know, maybe
they're just checking in, you know, You know, if they were
just kind of checking in to go with is the baby OK?
That is, is all good. So, yeah, it was a shame that
they were then made into the villains because I did enjoy it
when it was more like, well, these guys, like, I kind of kind

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of with you guys at the fountain, the foundation, you
know, you guys. Yeah.
They killed one of your people. Yeah.
But you know, but for blood. I like that.
I like that. Together to like they're said to
find like in 1859, like basically two years before the
Civil War and the Virginia, I would call it like a part like
it's the home state of like Robert E Lee, who resigned from

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the US Army to lead the Confederate Army.
Like, they were considered like a, you know, it's like a
antebellum Southern state. But they have like this society
come together and say we don't really want any part of the
politics of this time to come together.
We just want to be completely off that grid and then have that

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persist for like another 150 years is fascinating.
Although you would suggest that like the costuming they're using
with like the skull heads and the Leathers is much more kind
of like Nordic and Viking in terms of its presentation than
something out of like mid century and mid 18th 19th

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century. Yeah, I was confused by that
too, because yeah, Venable does have a weird accent too, like
you'd mentioned. I thought that was an odd
choice. I was like, yeah, why are, why
are they Vikings and, and in theVirginia hills instead of our, I
don't know. I guess it again, like I think
it's, I guess just a general different take again, like cuz

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we're kind of straying away fromlike the hillbilly aesthetic a
little bit and showing a different side of, you know, oh
what, you know, this region, what Virginia, Virginia mountain
folk are kind of like as well. I guess what the, what the woods
version would be, I guess is kind of interesting.
But then it's like, well, and then like, I like how like even

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the explanation there's like, well, you guys were running
around these scary costumes of mass in the woods.
He's like, yeah, to scare the animals.
Don't you all do that too? And then they're like, oh, shit,
you really got us there. You know, I, I also like how one
of the members of the, of the group, Darius, he, he decides to
stay. He gets like, he, he truly is in

(01:05:33):
on it. He was like, he was like, hey,
I, I kind of like it here. They like me.
I'm, I'm putting in my work. And they, he's like, I feel
seen. I was like, all right, cool man.
I was like, will you dig this? Yeah, do it totally.
It's he was accepted for who he was.
He was able to put his skills tolike really good use.
There wasn't any sort of, you know, we see the scene early on

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when the when Modine's like as the dad goes to the sheriff and
shows the picture of his daughter with her.
He's like, well, who's this black person?
And he's like, that's her boyfriend.
Like you see how that you know, we're talking about like the
foundation society being villainous, But something as
simple as like this young couple, like posing together

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happy is enough to set off like polite society still.
So like for Darius, he's like, no, I'm good, I'm in.
Like didn't seem to be too hung up on losing Jennifer, although
again, I don't think that did not seem like a very great like
Jen is quick to throw Darius under the bus when things go

(01:06:39):
awry. She's like, well, it wasn't my
decision to get off the path. Like this is all kind of all
your fault here, Darius. Like she was very quick to like
point, I think point the finger and and absolve herself of any
blame because to be fair, it is Darius's choice.
Like let's go wander for this random historical plaque that

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might be here in the woods that I've kind of heard of.
And maybe it's in this direction, like not exactly the
best idea ever. So in some ways like Darius and
he got what you know. Or, or did but or.
I mean he made the wrong turn. Or did he make the right turn
because he found his new home? So so imagine.

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That the foundation is still there like this.
Oh yeah, no, totally. But he's still there, kind of
plowing away and doing what he wants, so.
I don't know. I'm just, I, I can't think of a
movie where I've seen that happen, where a character like
willingly like is like, yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'm switching
size. I'm, I'm like, this is my new
life now. I was like, that's fascinating.

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I was like, I thought, I thoughtthat was like really
interesting. To both of your points about
whether they're villainous or not, like one thing that shocked
me that wasn't brought up duringthe trial when they're like, oh,
it was a total misunderstanding.Your friend killed our friend.
Your friend killed one of our pack, murdered him and now he

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needs to be put to death. Nobody brings up the fact we'll
wait a minute. One of our friends was crushed
by a log that came out of nowhere from one of your traps.
And also that you know, you're saying you were just bringing
our buddy to safety. Well how come we woke up in the
woods and all of our cell phoneswere missing the next day

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because all of y'all went through our stuff and took our
phones so we couldn't communicate with the outside
world? You tell me.
You know, if that's not a bit shady at that point.
Well, you know, they didn't. They didn't have time to prepare
for the trial. They didn't get to gather their
evidence and write out their opening statements.
I think it was just a high pressure situation.
They forgot about some of those details and instead resorted to

(01:08:48):
the lying aspect instead. I was like, like watching Jen's
decision. I was like, I was like, come on,
girl, girl, girl. I was like, at this point, I
like because at that point, at that point, I'd be like, now
fuck Adam. That guy sucks anyways.
So like whatever I would have thrown, like, you know, I don't,
I don't know why she lied for Adam and what she thought was
going to come from that. But but yeah, definitely they

(01:09:10):
could have fared a little bit better in their trial if they
would have took a SEC to to reassess.
The situation is Jen's dual degree in dance and theater
didn't prepare her for like a high stake trial is what like
they were very clear to be like,the only one who can talk is
Jen. That is the only one.
Everybody else with your fancy degrees, you keep your yaps

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shut. Otherwise we're not doing that
big fancy Yankee talk around here.
Get the person who maybe she could do an interpretive dance
to present their case and they would have gotten them off.
Like that would have been kind of incredible.
No, no disrespect to any of our listeners that have a degree in
interpretive dance. Like it's something that I could

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not do. I am very clumsy so.
Yeah, but but again, like I said, I think Jen does does more
than kind of atone for that because again, she has to spend
six weeks, She plays the long game like me in a situation like
this. Like I'm like, I'm I'm going to
just try to be about that actionand like if I get taken down, I

(01:10:16):
get taken down. But like I'm not doing the long
term suffering. That's not my survival style.
It's either a I'm going to like,you know, fuck up as many people
on my way out as I can, or that's that.
Like, so I so I give her credit there on her mental fortitude of
having to play this like fuckinglong game while she waits for
her dad to find her. And then I I need that montage

(01:10:39):
of her training because, I mean,she literally becomes a lethal
weapon by the end. She's fucking like she's aces
with the bow and arrow. We see if she can do 22 knives
and like she like has unlocked this like feral side of her.
And it's like, again, like I kind of like movies where, you
know, you see that even though it's like this is a horrible

(01:11:02):
situation and everything, but it's like she kind of needed
this. Like it's like it almost, it's
like, you know, because of how privileged they are.
I like that. It's like she kind of needed
this radical, you know, scenarioto happen to like really unlock
her like kind of her full potential in a in an interesting
way. So it's like, you know, going
forward, like, you know, she's not going to have problems with
decision making. She's always going to tell the

(01:11:23):
truth. She's always going to hear
people out and like, you know, and, you know, see the best, you
know. And so it's like, and, and now
she's, she's also a bad ass now,you know, so it's like, I don't
know, I kind of, I, I think it'sfascinating when you just think
of like the mental context of like what she's truly going
through because we don't see anyof that stuff.
But it's like she has been with them for six weeks, learning all

(01:11:45):
these things, integrating in andlike having to like fake and
like try to keep her mental faculties about her.
So like what? So I, I feel very satisfied and
in this ending where we get also, like you said, it is
satisfying that it's a father daughter duo that gets to go on

(01:12:06):
this final girls circuit. And it's like all final girls
would love to do a final girls circuit with their dads, I'd
like to think. Kat, what is your all your
thoughts on this journey that Jen takes over the course of her
month and 1/2 with this group? I think it's nice that she is a
flawed final girl. As we've said, I think that so

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often the final girl is, you know, she was always the Super
sweet, super studious, you know,the one that was aware of things
before. I kind of like the way that she
kind of bubbles them into lots of these, you know, lots of
these horrific scenarios. And yeah, she does the the Sarah
kind of workout, doesn't she? She she goes that she's deadly

(01:12:48):
with a knife. I mean, although to be fair,
yeah, that could be a natural talent.
I went axe throwing a couple of years ago with some friends and
found out I was surprisingly good at it the first time I've
ever done it. So, you know, maybe there's some
some latent talent. But yeah, she's, she's fully
prepared now for business. You know, she did need her
little walkabout in in the woodsto to find herself because, you

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know, anybody crosses her in a boardroom, they're getting,
they're getting a knife through the head.
Yeah, it's, you're right. She is like a very flawed final
girl character, which is definitely a cut above the norm.
Like she doesn't have like, she's not like Nancy, who's like
the smartest woman in the room. She's not like Lori Strode, who

(01:13:32):
was like always vigilant and always knows what's going on.
So it is something a little bit little bit different overall
terms of the gore in this movie.I kind of like the fact that
they pulled away from a lot of it, like they don't have like a
huge budget. So rather than like show a lot
of the impact, you show the aftermath and then you get like

(01:13:53):
a really good kind of practical effect after, like whether that
is like the face smashed in the log, if that was a really good
one. And then the aftermath of Adam's
death was a really good one. I'd much rather do that where
you kind of like do some editing, let your brain do the
work of like this is what's happening and then show the

(01:14:14):
aftermath rather than like dodgy, let's fix it in post with
CGI. Speaking of Adam, I kind of
thought it was hilarious that like, he runs away from Milla
and she like rightly calls him out on it.
And then no more than like 15 minutes later, he runs away from

(01:14:35):
her again. He's like same exact thing.
And he's like Caesar in the pit and he's like, I'm not even
going to bother trying to help you.
I'm just going to run away again.
Like Milla definitely deserved much better.
I mean, and Adam, so the worst. So he was the I'll say he's the
worst, but also I'll say in either of those.

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Well, the the log part, I was confused on what she was yelling
at him for because yeah, we're all trying to run away from the
log. Like I like, I think in that
situation, sticking in twos is only going to hurt our survival
chances. So I didn't understand her Dang
upset about that one leaving herin the pit, though.
On the other hand that I was just like, oh, man.

(01:15:18):
Like, because it's the fact thatlike, obviously, like we see
what's happened to her. She ain't surviving that.
But it's like the fact that he either aid and stayed just so
she didn't have to die alone or be like, if you know, like or
like you fucking put her out of her misery so she doesn't have
to like suffer. So I, you know, we kind of, I
mean, one of the mountain peopledoes eventually like come not

(01:15:39):
too long after that. So luckily she doesn't have to
suffer. But in theory that what he did
is just like, oh, the fact that like, you know, I thought it
would have for a second. I mean, the, the wounds were too
bad, but I thought it would havebeen a cool thing if the
mountain people saved her. And then like at like some point
later on, like after the trial, like once she's healed up, they

(01:16:01):
like let her like beat his ass or something like I don't know.
That would be kind of amazing. I thought that would have been
an interesting twist if they would have like actually like
helped her survive but then she doesn't though.
So maybe we end by talking aboutthe ending, because I think I'm
on a different page than both ofyou.
Like, Kat, you had a note here that you felt like, yeah, this

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kind of goes on a little bit toolong at the end.
Like, what are your thoughts on the way this one wraps up?
Well, I think it suffers from that return of the King syndrome
where it's like, OK, it's going to end here, OK?
No, it's not going to end, OK. So now we're back in suburbia,
OK, They're here, it's going to end here and then OK.

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And we're still going through the end credits.
I mean, I don't necessarily havea problem with any of the
content that's there. It's just, it feels like it's
going to end and then it doesn'tand then it's going to end and
then it doesn't. And I just find that
frustrating. You know, when I've been sat
there for like 90 minutes, whatever, and I'm sort of OK,
we're going to OK with it. You know, I've had a baby.
I, you know, my bladder needs togo to the bathroom.

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And if you're teasing me with ending without ending, that's
just cruel. So I don't necessarily have a
problem, especially the end credits.
It is where, you know, as we said, it doesn't, it gets quite
fun because you just see like the, the motor home rocking and
then she like the people coming out and they were covered in
blood and that. So I do enjoy that.
I just kind of think that there was a better way to transition
between them. So you didn't feel like it's

(01:17:28):
finished. Oh, it's OK now it's finished.
How do you feel about the end ofSinners then?
That has like a 10 minute long like absolutely integral post
credits scene that you really can't miss.
I mean, I was, I was forewarned that there was something like
coming with credits and at the press screening I was out they
said there's two bits, there's two bits.

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So I did sit through the the credits and given the bit in the
mid credits that is so, so important.
I was expecting then the bit at the very end credits to be as
important and. And then that's just a bonus,
yeah. That's just like a dude playing
the guitar, which is cool. But I didn't need to send, you
know, I could have, I could havebeen in the bathroom line and

(01:18:10):
then come back. But yeah, I don't, I don't mind
that. It's just it's when a story like
I say, it's like Return to the King, where like everybody has
to say goodbye to each other. So we've got like 40 minutes of
the mall saying goodbye and goodbye and goodbye.
Say I, can we be over? Can we?
And we all just say bye at one point and then just finish.
Yeah, I do miss days or like movies just kind of wreck.

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All right, the big thing happened.
Now we can wrap it up. Hit credits.
Let's go. Like I mentioned The Karate Kid
before Karate Kid, like Johnny was like Daniel wins the
tournament, Crane kicks Johnny Lawrence gets the trophy
credits. Like you don't have a huge to do
after the fact. Like, we can save that for Part

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2, but I'm curious as to how youfelt like the credits were
utilized here. I thought that was really clever
and that you think one thing is happening and you get like a
much different payoff. I thought that was different
from anything I've seen Cat. Like, what were your thoughts?
And just like, granted, it maybewent on a little bit too long,
but that use of the credits to like put a cap on the story.

(01:19:16):
I think it's definitely, I mean,considering that it was
originally maybe going to be a trilogy, I would be intrigued to
see how a tree, I guess the nextone would be the daughter coming
after coming after her to avengeher father's.
And it'd be this maybe, you know, we're going to get into
like Last of Us sort of territory sort of sort of thing
with, you know, her taking Jen'sdad.

(01:19:38):
But no, I thought it was, it wasan interesting use of the end
credits just purely because nobody tends to watch the end
credits and you've got to watch the end credits.
And I kind of feel like we've spent so much of the film
waiting for it to connect into the wrong term films we've seen
before. But even right open to the end
credits, I was like, oh, so thisis where they're going to come,

(01:19:59):
you know, like their little like.
Three fingers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're going to come down the the road the other way or
something. Or they're they're going to,
they're going to emerge. You're going to think that are
Jen's kicking ass inside this thing and then, you know, you
know, they're going to come out of it.
But yeah, it was like right up to the end for me.

(01:20:20):
I was still expecting them to come.
So yeah, that was it's an interesting way to to continue
the story through the credits. Did this work for you Devon?
I mean, it's fine. Like, it's not that, it's not
that I think it's bad ending or anything.
It's just structurally, it's just like structurally it's just
odd because like they easily could have just put the credits

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whenever her and the dad are driving away and with the people
could end it there. That's fine.
But then it's like, okay, we're gonna kind of do this extra
thing. I don't know, it kind of just
gives vibes of like maybe they got done shooting a little early
or they like came into some extra money or something and was
like, hey, let's do another action scene for the finale.

(01:21:04):
Like let's do two more action scenes.
Why not? You know, like it kind of feels
like that, which it's like, yeah, cuz it again, I think, I
think it's solid. Like again, I like how you
already get to see her, like kind of how that situation has
impacted her where she sees themat the table and she in her mind
goes, OK, do I go get my knives and square up?

(01:21:24):
And then she like plays out the scenario in her head and then
she's like, no, that's going to end in my family getting killed.
So she and then so she does it. She goes, OK, I'll fake like I'm
going and be strategic about it or whatever.
So it's like you kind of alreadysee what she's learned in a way.
But then at the same time like Idon't know.
Cuz like when I saw them show upand then they like take her out

(01:21:45):
and I was just like, I was kind of mad cuz I was like, I know
that the Wrong Turn series is known for its fuck you endings.
After the first two it is, yeah.But but then I was like, but I
really wanted one here. So I was like pissed off that.
But then like you said, then with the end credits, it's like,
no, she's she's gonna take out the the van, take them all out
and everything. And I was like, all right, cool.

(01:22:05):
And then again, that's why I waslike, hell yeah, Jen, like, you
know, she's a fucking bad ass. Gets one more rumble with them
and then yeah, I don't know. But then it also, I guess could
have, they could have, if you'regoing to do this, like you said.
And like if they were intrigued on doing a trilogy, I I would
have been interested. They could have like used this

(01:22:25):
to like kind of set up a little bit differently or something
like they easily could have wentfrom like, you know, cut from
the, the like cut from them like, you know, in the truck.
And then they could have just like fast forwarded to like,
like maybe Jen like showing the baby.
And then like you see like the the gal in the background, like
stalking them and then cut to black, you know, like, but just

(01:22:47):
getting a little extra bonus action sequence between the
like, it's cool. And I know it's the same
colours. I wonder if it's the same RV
from from the ambrosia segment from the no wake ambrosia
segment. Because remember it's like that
orange and yellow that gets written on by the cult people.

(01:23:10):
Very similar colors. So I wonder if that's the same
RV? To your point that you said
they're like you're kind of likepissed when you like they make
off with her at the end. You're like, you know, because
this movie does clock in at nearly two hours long in an hour
and 50 minutes, which feels about 20 minutes longer than a
wrong turn Movie like these should all be like 90 and under,

(01:23:32):
like should be pretty quick moving.
And then I get that you're establishing like, new lore and
a new series and a new world. I do like that at one point,
like at the in the closing scenewhen Dad's like, oh, yeah, like,
your brothers rented a movie about a bunch of, like, inbred
cannibals. And she's like.
That was so corny. That was so.

(01:23:53):
Corny, I like corn. Look, as a dad, I was like, I
think like your appreciation of that.
I like corny. Like every now and then, corny
is. OK, well it's not even corny
because it's a dad thing. It's corny because it's like, oh
this is your V reference. I just have a finer appreciation
of things, Courtney, do you knowwhat I mean?
Like I have a higher tolerance. I have a higher tolerance for

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that than that. I can understand also being
like, oh, come on now. And I do, you know, like I said
earlier, like the this movie canexist within the framework of
the other ones because it takes place in a different part of the
Appalachian Trail. It's in Virginia, not West
Virginia, so it doesn't have to necessarily contradict anything

(01:24:37):
that's happened. But I think the fact that like
you get, I would have been upsetif they like make off of there
and drive off. And that's the credits.
And the fact that as you have the credits rolling, you see the
RV start to like stumble and then Venable like Ramskull comes
like stumbling out bloody and she finishes them off and then

(01:25:00):
finishes off the other guy in the van.
Like, I thought that was a really clever use of the end
credits that I hadn't seen in a movie before.
So I'm like, that's actually pretty smart.
And I really like that. I think the only, only thing it
was missing is you needed to have like maybe a little bit of
a wider shot with like some neighbor, like just watering

(01:25:22):
their lawn or walking the dog and like stumbling on the scene
of like brutal violence. Like that would have been the
kicker. But I I dug it.
I dug the way that ended, whether or not it was meant to
like lead into another movie, I don't care.
Like, it was a pretty good capper for this one, you know,
and like, to Devon's point, likeJen by this point is not someone

(01:25:46):
that you're going to fuck with. Like, do you want to go into her
with a negotiation over like thesquare footage of your basement?
And then she's like, well, we can discuss this.
And then just pulls out a huge Bowie knife, throws it on the
blueprint. It's like, how would you, how do
you want to work this one out? It's like, no, whatever you say,
Jen, we, we got your, you got us.

(01:26:06):
We're covered. Any last thoughts or are we
good? No, I think I'm I'm ready to,
I'm ready to get off this road. Well, we got, we got one more
thing to do. How about yourself?
I'm ready to get off this road. Any final thoughts?
Any I just I as you were speaking then about, you know,
the neighbor and stuff. Maybe that's what the seeker was

(01:26:28):
going to be. It was going to be Jen on trial
again for murdering somebody andwe were going to go completely
again, the opposite of wrong Turn 2, and it was going to be
like set in jail. Wrong turn in the courtroom
drama. Oh, we just had one set in jail,
though, and it was so bad. It was so bad.

(01:26:49):
All right. Well, Cat, if you want to tell
our listeners where they can find you in any work you have
coming up that you'd like to plug, by all means.
So I am on Blue sky, just Kat Hughes dot B sky dot social.
I'm also at Gizmo Shikari on Instagram and letterboxed.
And in terms of things coming out, there's links on all of

(01:27:13):
those places to my work. But in the immediate future, in
June, I have got an essay in theSecond Sight release of Talk to
Me. Excellent, excellent, excellent,
excellent. We definitely would love to have
you back here again. I should not wait so long to
have you back on Devon. How about yourself?

(01:27:33):
You can find me at all the usualplaces at under score Daddy
Disco. You can hear me over on
Inspector Cinema Club. New episodes every Tuesday for
the month of May. We are talking the theme of
sinister sounds. So horror films with a really
great scores, soundtracks, sounddesign.
Brian Kiper will be on as I finally get everybody in the

(01:27:56):
Bottom Pendulum crew on my show.So he'll be on a little bit
later in the month for The Changeling.
But the first episode out will be Phantom of the Paradise.
And then you can hear my other podcast, Tinted Love Every Other
Wednesday with Zoe Rose Smith talking horror movies based on
sex, relationships, romance. We just dropped our episode on

(01:28:17):
Possession. Very fun time talking that film
for a very heavy film. We spend a good chunk of it
giggling because we are dementedpeople like that.
And then we have keeping the Campbell train rolling.
Our next episode will be on Bones and all, so get excited
for that. But that's every other
Wednesday. Spectra Cinema Club every
Tuesday. That's great folks.

(01:28:39):
You can find me at Mike's Noonian on blue ski, Mike's
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Follow our show at Pod on the pendulum.com where you can find
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So we, we've been at this for quite a while now.
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(01:29:01):
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Follow us on Instagram at Pod and the Pendulum and at Blue Ski
at Pod and Pendulum. Up next, we have one more quick
little detour in the Wrong Turn universe where we are going to

(01:29:24):
do a ranking episode. You figure like there's enough
there. Especially it's going to be
interesting to see where things line up in terms of like what's
going to come out on top, what'sgoing to be in the bottom.
We've let our guests also submittheir rankings as well.
So like Kat, Kennell, Sarah haveall submitted their rankings as

(01:29:45):
well. And I got to say I think our
guests are kind of skewing them a bit because they are like the
opposite of what I've seen from you and I, Devon and I think Ari
and I, I think haven't seen Ari's, but I think she's close
to us here. So it's like if very.
Interesting one. If Part 5 doesn't end up at the

(01:30:06):
bottom, I might just smash my banner.
Like I just might quit, quit life at this point.
I just might like hurl myself out of the window onto the
driveway below. Like if somebody like, you know,
if Canal puts like #5 as his number one pick and that skews
the rankings, like I just, I don't know.

(01:30:28):
I don't know what I would do. I need to fix it.
The fix might be in is what I'm saying.
This might be a one time thing only letting the guests weigh
and we'll simply we'll have to see.
We'll see what the final number is.
And the fun I think. That no.
Totally. And Devon, what do we have after
that? And then after that will be if
you want to get your franchise needs your your homework

(01:30:51):
prepped, it will be diving into the Wishmaster series.
There are four of them. There are two good films, one
absolutely terrible one and one that is very interesting.
You can get all four of them. It's on sale right now or you
can order it on Amazon and get it in like 2 days.
The the four packet has all the behind the scenes goodies and

(01:31:14):
things like that. So everybody get your a devolve
impressions ready. Pretty loaded Blu-ray set for.
Totally is. So definitely like I'm looking
forward to diving into that. Well, thank you, listeners.
We'll be back next week with theranking episode.
Until then, buckle up and make sure that you stay on the

(01:31:34):
trails, folks. You know, stay on the trails
type. No, you can't listen to our
show. I I don't think they have like
podcasts in the foundation. So if you get abducted by
approval. Of this, you couldn't listen to
this any longer. And that would make us sad.
And for a long place. So take care everybody.
We'll be back. Next, you know what would've

(01:31:57):
been really cool? What if they?
What if they?