WRONG TURN 5: BLOODLINES

A movie so bad it made Mike question whether he actually liked horror movies. Luckily he's joined by Ariel, Devaughn, and special guest Kinell to talk this one through.

Episode Transcript

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None. Hello everyone, and welcome to
the pod and the pendulum. It's the podcast that covers all
the horror franchises, one movieand one episode at a time.
That is our gimmick, whether we like it or not.
I'm your host, Mike Snoonian andI'm joined today with the pair
of Co host and a very special first time guest.
First up, she is the author of Millennial Nasties and it is her

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fault that we are covering this movie today, but we love our
Ario Hellraiser. Ari, how are we?
I'm doing good. I'm feeling real, real bad that
you hated this movie so much because I don't hate it.
But we'll get into all. That even when I hate a movie, I
love talking about it with this crew.
That's true. So that is okay.

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You know they can't all be, can't all be my favorites.
That's true. Also joining me and it's going
to be I think a rare moment today where we get to like enact
the Predator meme together. He is the Co host of Spectre
Cinema Club and the Tainted Lovepodcasts and I am on pins and
needles to hear his take on thisone today 'cause it's like

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pretty rare. We agree that's one of our
gimmicks at this point. Mr. Devon Taylor.
Devon, how are we doing? Oh, I'm all right.
I'm here. I made another wrong turn and
yeah, it was funny. I meant to give you shit last
episode because I want to be like, Mike's getting went soft

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on us. Whenever you were in the Slack
channel saying 3 was making you reevaluate this podcast and then
we get to this one. And then I was like, Oh no, no,
no, no. I was like, I was like.
This is Mike. I was.
Like, if anything's gonna make Iwas like, if anything's gonna
make this podcast implode, it might be this one.
Oh yeah. You know I'm usually 1 to defend

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some of the darker sheep in the pack, but no, this one.
Woof. It was a hard one.
Woof, woof woof. Well, also joining us and he's
on for the first time coming to us from overseas.
He's a video game developer, a filmmaker and an MC from
Sinister Cinema Studios. Let's welcome Canal to the show.

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Canal how are we doing? Sapna, how are we?
Yeah, yeah, flipping a good delighted to be a long time
listener, first time caller and I'm ready to defend the
indefensible. It's.
Two on two it's like a regular Heart Foundation versus like
Dungeon of Doom tag team match. It's going to be going on today.

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So this. Should be are me and Canal the
dungeon of Doom. I would say so I would say,
yeah, that's all right. I think good in pink and black.
So I'm a big Brett Hart fan. So anyway, before we dive into
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Let's go with our initial thoughts and Canal as our guest.

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Maybe you could kick things off with your initial feeling 'cause
you actually chose this one. Like, no one forced it.
You didn't lose a bet. You're like, let's talk wrong
Turn 5. Like, what are your feelings on
this franchise and just like general feelings on this
particular film? Like I'm a big fan of like the
franchise in general and like one of the reasons is it was

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that this was one of the few times, few franchises that was
just doing normal slashes, you know, sort of it's running
through the millennial nasty era.
So everything's got to be hyper stylized.
Everything's got black blood in it, all this kind of thing.
It's it's like a lot of filters,It's a lot of choppy edits and

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what we call it that's coming off the back of the post screen
wave. So everything's matter.
Everything's got to be like teenfriendly, all these kind of
things, but what should we call it?
Wrong turn was one of the thingsthat was just doing a normal
slasher at a time. You couldn't get a normal
slasher. And like I love normal slashes.

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Like around the time that this one dropped in particular, there
wasn't really like like like it was a bit of an in between time
for horror. And like there wasn't there
wasn't the same kind of like like really good access to Blu
rays of like any like weird thing that only came out on VHS.
Like you couldn't just get a normal horror film that easily

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just like a DVD to rent. But they'd always have a wrong
turn out. And this one, I've got a lot
more time for them, more or lessanyone, including probably some
of the people who make it, Like I've got some theories about it.
I feel like a lot of it was written during contract
negotiations with Doug Bradley. Like, I know because The thing

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is, it's Constantine films that do the wrong turns in it.
And they had two franchises on the go, and the other franchise
was Resident Evil. So Resident Evil's getting all
the resources. This is 2012.
Like so like there's like 3 Resident Evil games come out.
Resident Evil 6, which is like the most anticipated thing of
all time. Paul WS Anderson back directing

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the movies. They're doing them in 3D but
they still want to keep their wrong turn going and they're
trying to keep them cheap. You know, like they did a few of
the paranormal activities on that and like the budget for
like the paranormal activity 3, which was the last one they had
that was like 5 million. And like they're they're given
like wrong turn 5 that gets whatshould we call it, 1.5 million.

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It's not a lot of money, like comparatively, you know, if you
know, this is like 3 times less than they're given to a found
footage film. And like, I think like Doug
Bradley's not shy of a director video release.
He's done a lot of hell raisers at this point.
So I think I believe Doug Bradley sort of went to him and

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sort of said, look, I'll do you a cheap one.
If I can do this, I can do this.There's no makeup and it's,
it's, it's like they said, OK. Like if we could do something
that's set mostly in one location and we've got a name we
could put on the cover, we couldprobably get away with doing it
on the cheap. Yeah, I it's a time when there

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are like film makers like Bensonand Morehead are coming up.
Like they make resolution right around this time which they made
for 25,000 or 50,000 bucks and they literally filmed it on one
of the film makers properties. Like I remember interviewing
them back when spring was out and them saying when they made

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resolution like they owe their dad owned the like back lot
where they like filmed in that trailer.
Jeremy Gardner makes the battery, which is one of my
favorite indie horror horror movies of all the time.
He made it for six grand, going to like 60 friends and relatives
saying, what would you spend in a night at like a casino?

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100 bucks, great, give me that money, gamble on me and let's
see what I can put together. And that's you can see like a
lot of like very independent, like cheap cinema, but doesn't
have like the same level of effects and scale that you're
trying to do here. And you do feel like this is the

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budget really, really does this one not a lot of favors right
now, where with Paranormal Activity, there's not a lot of
effects, comparatively speaking.And you still have something
that looks even a profound footage, like much more like a
movie. But yeah, we'll definitely talk.
I'd be interested to get into kind of the Doug Bradley and

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maybe what it cost to bring him in and what that cuts in return.
But Ari, you are also Team WrongTurn 5.
Yeah. Why?
Dear God, what? I don't mind it at all.
Was this a first time watch? I think that it must have been
like, I would have sworn that I'd seen this movie before, but

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I didn't remember anything aboutit, and I was here for it.
You know? I hate the third one, but this
one I was like, well, we've got some really good kills, some
really gnarly kills. We've got Doug Bradley playing
Hannibal Lecter. I kept waiting for him to tell
the sheriff she was a rube. Like he he carries this film,

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honestly. And so I just had so much fun
watching him just be a nonsense backwoods Hannibal Lecter and
watching the kills. Like, I could definitely see
this being a totally reasonable background movie to throw on.
I don't have, like, a thesis statement of like, and here's
why I defend it. I was just like, yeah, I don't

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mind it. You might need that today, Ari.
You might I'm. Not doing it.
With that thesis, Devon, how about yourself?
You know, this movie, it, it's, it is interesting to think about
when it came out because, yeah, 2011, it's in this in between
'cause we're not quite to directto streaming yet.

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You know, we're still a few years out before that really
becomes a more regular thing. So when you're thinking about
this being on like the tail end of like, you know, the
traditional direct to video, direct to DVD thing, again,
like, you know, the, the wrong term franchise.
I don't think fans are asking for much, you know, So I think

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for me, this movie is just like,I'm not mad at this movie.
I'm just upset, you know, I'm annoyed just because I'm like,
you know, you really don't need to do all that much.
And it feels like there's just no effort or intention behind
this movie. Like it's just like, OK, if
you're if this is the fifth wrong turn movie and this is

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only people renting the direct to DVD that they, you know, find
at Walmart, you know, like, you know, like give, give, come on,
throw us a bone, give it, give us something.
And it's just like, OK, the bestwe got is Doug Bradley just like
talking in a jail cell for most of the movie.
I'm just like, like this this movie, just like really annoyed

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that just like I was like, I, I just feel like there's no, there
was no, it didn't offer anything.
Like, you know what, what are you giving me?
Are you giving me some new lore or give me some new tricks?
Are you giving me some, you know, new something?
And just, there's nothing like, you know, and like, I don't want
to disparage like people that worked on this film and, you
know, they made a living. They got to make a film and get

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paid for it. Good, good.
Like I'm glad. But like at the same time, I'm
like, just as anybody have some energy to give this movie?
Like whether it's the cast, whether it's the direction,
whether it's just anything like where does it?
This movie just doesn't have anywrong turn energy to it.
So it's like, even though I didn't like Wrong Turn 4, at

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least I felt like there was likesome effort and some interesting
ideas being offered and like, and being like, OK, I like this
franchise. Like, what can I do with it?
By this point? It's like, OK, Wrong Turn 5.
But I came on for two reasons. One 'cause I saw Kennell's name
was on the schedule, but also because this is a part of the
illustrious, the oh Jesus. The illustrious crew of films

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with Bloodlines in their title. We got a new one coming out,
Final Destination Bloodlines. Coming out, we got Hellraiser
Bloodline, which Doug Bradley also a part of, Pet Sematary,
Bloodlines, Day of the Dead, Bloodline, Tremors 5, Bloodlines
2 #5 movies that are both Bloodlines.
And there was What? And then the upcoming video game

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Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines.
Oh my God, so. What we're saying is all hope
rests on, like Final Destination, whether we ever
have a good movie with Bloodlines.
And yes, that's exactly what I'msaying.
There's a there's a lot of pressure on this Final
Destination movie. There's a lot of pressure.
Hopefully they'll make up to it.Yeah.

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Devon, you just said something there that I think sums it up
for me is like fans aren't asking for much.
I actually wrote that down when you said it.
So I, I found this one of the most unpleasant experiences I've
ever had from start to finish, like watching a movie.
And I'm on the slack with you guys and you guys have to hear

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me just have this, you know, read me having this existential
crisis, like in real time, whichI'm trying to figure.
I was trying to figure out what it was that made me so angry at
this film and everybody involvedmaking it.
And I feel like this year, I've said a lot like 3 times already,

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this is the worst film we've ever covered.
Like Exorcist? To the heretic.
And then wrong turn 3 and now wrong turn 5.
And I like the other three wrongturn movies we covered so far.
And I really like the reboot. So 4 out of seven, if that's the
ratio, won't be the worst thing ever.
But we've covered a lot of bad movies.

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But this was the first movie that I've joked before about
this, but it legitimately had mequestioning whether it's time
to, like, pull the plug on the show.
It's like, really? Do I really want to spend what
little time I have on this earthwatching movies like this?
And then covering them like do Ido?

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Is that how I 'cause I could gethit by a bus tomorrow and
there's like the if that happened is the last movie I've
ever watched. I want that to be wrong Turn 5.
But I'm like, what is it? And it you're always.
Saying this because you haven't seen Hostile 3 or.
Monster 3, which also is going to have you having an

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existential crisis for the next series.
We got like there's like, it's areally bad one.
So like, we're really pushing Mike to the edge.
Blame it on the wheel. That's what me and R were
saying. This isn't.
It's not up to us. Blame the wheel at this point.
Wheel doesn't. You pick movies for the wheel.
OK, yes, the wheel is. You know, OK, yeah.

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OK, so then yeah, blame us. Actually, the name of the wheel
do not sully the wheel's good. Name.
Yeah, do blame us, actually. I have thought about putting the
human centipede instead of wrongturn on the wheel and like it's
funny that now you're maybe wishing I had had done that.
But The thing is, I do like the first two films, Part 4 in the

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reboot. So for the film that I haven't
watched 6 yet, I'll watch that this week.
So we'll see, see what happens. I don't have a lot of high hopes
though. We've watched a lot of and I, I
figured here's what I came up with.
I came up with the fact that like this is what studios think
of horror fans. Like they'll watch anything.

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They will watch anything they put out.
We don't have to put in a ton ofeffort.
Doesn't matter if we slap a sequel name on the DVD cover and
there's like someone who's been in a bunch of horror movies in
it, that's a little bit iconic. Despite the fact that 80% of the
films he's in have also been kind of unwatchable.

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Not to get angry, not to besmirch Ari's, the namesake of
Ari's username. Doesn't matter.
These clowns will watch anything.
We have such low expectations ofthem.
And like, I just, I don't want to be that film goer.
And it made me angry to think that that is what these studios
think of us. You know, that they don't have

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to put this little effort in alltogether.
And I don't want to besmirch Declan O'Brien, who made like
part 3-4 and five because he's no longer with us.
But I do think that this movie does test the theory that no one
sets out to make a bad movie. I really feel that it's, I feel
that deeply in my bones. I actually had nightmares last

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night about covering this today,like knowing we were going to
like I literally had like 3 or 4dreams or was like you need to
get checked out because something's wrong.
And I do feel it was strictly because we're talking about this
movie today. So I'm going to try to be nice.
You probably won't hear a lot from me after this.

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It's. Just just going to fade away,
just disappear. Disassociate.
It'll just be me and Canal saying things we like.
Which is great, which is great. So I don't have a lot on.
I don't have anything in the background of this movie aside
that it was shot in Bulgaria, made for about 1,000,000 bucks
and change and made that back insales.
OK, I saw the names in the credits and I was trying to

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guess where this was made. Once I started seeing the
credits, I was like, where was this?
I was like, was this Ukraine? Bulgaria, 'cause that's that's
where they did Cedar Chucky, right?
That was a a Bulgarian affair and I think if I if I'm correct,
two of the Hellraiser movies direct I think were Bulgarian

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affairs. Let me double check that.
Maybe Doug Bradley has a summer.Like they have like what you
call it like like Bulgaria is a place where you can go where
it's like you can get a union crew like that that are good at
what they do. And the wages are still like
loads cheaper than anywhere else.
So it's like, it's the type of place where like, like you

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wouldn't go there to make your film and like a big studio with
big money wouldn't go there, butlike like a production company
that like flipping like owns their own money that's trying to
do things a bit cheap. But everything's got to be union
and like everything's got to be for official distribution and
the distribution's all locked. They're the kind of places that

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will go to Bulgaria for ADTV sequel, that kind of thing.
It's like the movie equivalent of like, you know, like that,
like international, like sketchytrading, you know, spot like
hour in international water. So we have no jurisdiction
anywhere. That's like what it's like film
because it's just like, hey, show up with a little bag of

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change. We got plenty of crew for you,
Hellraiser. I was incorrect.
Half of the sequels are Romanianaffairs and those direct to DV,
direct to DVD ones. But but you know, again,
similarities in some of the erasbecause that was this.
These franchises were both in the direct to DVD eras around

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the same time. So just having Doug Bradley here
a part of both of them and again, also a part of two
movies. Bloodlines.
I'm not. I know a lot of people go to bat
for Hellraiser Bloodline. I think it's OK, but it is
definitely much better than thisone.
So hell, right. If you're going to watch a Doug
Bradley sequel with some with bloodlines in the subtitle,

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definitely go with the Hellraiser one, OK?
So. Also, I think this was like,
what should we call it an early movie appearance for Roxanne
McKee and like at this point, like she's the she plays like
Lita Reddit like her backgrounds.

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What should we call it from British soap opera?
That set where I live called Chester, the soap operas called
Hollyoaks. And it was kind of a big thing
her like going into movies. I think she did this and then
she went to Game of Thrones and shit like because like like back

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in like like about 10 years before this, there was like like
like when they were looking for like the actress who was going
to play Blossom. Like there was like that in the
UK for like the next big soap star and there was like 35,000
people entered and this Roxanne McKee won it.
And so and like she wouldn't like like so she so she would,

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she wouldn't like like it was the time of the lads mags and
all this kind of thing. She was like sexiest soap star
for like like 2 years running and all this kind of thing.
What is Hollyoaks for our listeners that don't?
I've never heard of this show. Is it a British soap?
Yeah, it's a soap and it's sat in the city.

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I live in the northwest in Chester and, and like, it's, I
can't recommend it as a good show, but like, like it's set in
Chester and like, but the actualsets, all the stuff done on set
is 12 miles down the road in Liverpool.
And like I went out with like I went on a date with script

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supervisor a couple of years back when I was single.
And I mean, it was really interesting like shooting the
ship with her. Because The thing is, we're in
the Northwest and a lot of the media, a lot of the television,
it's either like all London downSouth or it's all like ABBC
controlled, which is at least controlled down South.

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And it's very what you know, whoyou know, people who went to
school together and all this. You know, if you're, so if
you're out here in the North, you basically got to like go
down South and be in that. Like Hollyoaks is one of the
rare things where you can like where you can like be living in
the North and not be in London and the BBC and you can like get

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some experience, do some work inTV.
And like she was mentioning like, because I don't, it's not
a good show. I don't think of it.
It's like a significant thing. But like when I went On this
date, she was, I was talking about because it was just after
the Nick Hoffman episode of The Last of Us.
Like the guy who wrote that started off in Hollyoaks.

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Like there's a lot of people that have done interesting
things that have like what we call it started off in this
terrible soap opera because that's where you can work
without being in the BBC, where you've got to sign your life
away or being in London and you've got to like make the
London things that they instructyou to make and all this.

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This show's been going for 30 years and has 6460 episodes as
of the last time that Wikipedia was updated.
That's like soap operas are so crazy and like what are they
just like film like 5 episodes aday?
Yes, like it's. Crazy.
So are soap operas in the UK similar to what it's like here

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in the US where they run like mid afternoon, like 1 to 4:00 PM
and they just like crank out 350episodes a year?
Is that what it's like? Because the UKI think of TV
shows like that run 6 episodes and that's A season and then
they come back every couple years.
Are soap operas more like here in the US where you run like 99

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episodes and that would be like half a season?
Yeah, it's a, it's a constant thing because like, for like,
like you say, like like the original The Office and things
like that and things like Spaced, they're like 6 episodes
a season, 8 episodes a season, 1episode a year.
So even if you're working on like a hit show, you, you, you

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probably haven't made that much stuff.
You know, if you're writing for that, you, you've, you've
written, you've written 3 hours worth of stuff like ever.
If it doesn't get picked up, then you're not right in that.
So like soap operas are a place where like, if you are like
wanting to be like a writer, like that's where you, that's

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where you can get your numbers up.
That's where you can and and like you're writing on a
terrible show, but you know, like flipping you do that in
what we call it when you've comeout, when you've finished
college and then like years later, you're doing like an
internationally regarded episodeof the Last of Us and all this
kind of thing and like fucking like starting all these

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conversations. So it's a way that people who
are maybe like working class background and like, like didn't
go to like private schools and didn't go to like posh
universities. It is a way that that that they
can be working in like making TV.
It it sounds it would be a lot of work, so I wouldn't do this.

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But if any listeners want to take up the project to do soap
opera people to horror pipeline,if you want to explore that as a
side project, please do. I'm not going to do it.
That's too much work, but I I would love to read it though if
somebody else wants to do that. Well, looking ahead to like so

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she's probably been the most successful of the younger cast
that came out of this. Like I looking at like Amy
Lennox who played Cruz, like theyoung blonde woman in this who
has this incredible, like when you hear hear her in the behind
the scenes stuff, like she has this great like Irish accent and

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they completely bury it for something like super generic in
this movie. And I kind of wish they'd just
let her kind of run with it. Also, why was this blonde haired
blue eyed gal named Cruz? I don't know.
I I thought that was very funny 'cause they kept, they kept
mentioning Cruz and I was like who is Cruz?
And then I was like, oh, it was it the blonde gal, I guess.

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To your point, Devon, like very similar.
I'm kind of wanna hear your thoughts on this cast of young
folks because one of the things you said about Part 4 was how
they were really generic and like nothing about them stood
out. Where I feel much strongly on
that wavelength for this movie where it seems like the only

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character trait they have is they really like to smoke weed.
Like, that is pretty much the extent of everybody's
personality in this movie. And I'm wondering, you know,
what you thought, what all of you all thought of the cast this
time around? I mean, it's a slightly smaller,
it's a slightly smaller cast. And like this movie is like

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everyone's like spread out. It's like some people are in the
jail, some people are at a hotel, some people are in the
town, some people are in the woods.
It's just like, so it's like it's kind of weird.
Like, so I guess it it doesn't bother me as much as it did in
four because in four it's just like everyone was just always
all together in a room and it was just again, face to face.

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I was just like, who are any of these people?
But I mean, still the same same way with this.
Like, you know, by this point, the cast, I'm just the Keke
Palmer video where I'm just like, I don't know who this man
is. I've never seen him before in my
life. That's me for everybody in this
movie except for Doug Bradley, you know, and I think you know,
they and, and I guess I will give them credit and Doug

(29:12):
Bradley credit that he doesn't just show up for like they
didn't, they don't do the thing where they're like, hey, Doug
Bradley's in this. And then he shows up for like 5
minutes. He he is basically the lead,
unfortunately, because I hate this character, but I mean, they
at least they at least get theirmoney's worth of Doug Bradley, I
suppose, because they didn't just like throw him in as a

(29:34):
cameo, like he is the the featured player amongst all
these nobodies. But I mean, yeah, the this cast,
they're all yeah, very generic. Also, I'll give the Wrong Turn
franchise some credit that almost every movie has a a
highlighted Stoner or multiple stoners.

(29:54):
I mean as far as Stoner representation goes, I mean hey,
we're out here in the Wrong Turnfranchise.
You know who makes lots of wrongturns?
Stoned people. Don't drive while you're stoned
y'all. Good point.
It's. Great advice.
Like I think what you call it, like you say, like he doesn't
just turn up 5 minutes. I get the impression they might
not have had him for the whole time and that's why I like

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flipping his characters. Like flip it like like most of
his stuff is taking place in thein like 1 location.
Yeah. A lot like he's probably like
flipping like that good with it is not like flipping.
We're going to do like all thesescenes in two days.
So they don't have to put like, like, like I say, I do think

(30:36):
that that it would have been like like almost entirely
written in his contract negotiations.
Because I feel like there's a lot of times in this where like
he just seems to be doing thingsthat are like quite fun for an
actor to do. He's probably thinking, no one's
going to watch this, but he's going like, right.
I want like I want, I want a Hannibal Lecter bit and I won't

(30:59):
like a James Bond villain bit where like I explained my plan
because he does. And his entire plan is I'm going
to sell a tape, a shotgun to your face and set it on fire.
But he's delivered it like one of those, like he goes like 70
Bond villains. He goes, give me a jigsaw moment
and he goes, I like what Tobin Bell is doing.
It looks like he's having fun. Give me, give me one of those.

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He goes, let me, let me ask somebody in the stomach.
Yeah, totally. Seems like Doug Bradley was just
like, all right, These are the things I want to do, write the
script around this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's probably said like I'll do,I'll do you 3 days and if I
could do all those things, I'll do it cheap.
But like he was probably at a wedding in Bulgaria like like

(31:42):
the week after and like flippinglike he thought I don't have to
pay me flight now. Give like the give the bride and
groom like a DVD of this is their gift.
Like don't have to buy their gift either.
I'll give them. I'll even give them the Blu-ray
I filmed. This yesterday it's already on
pressed into DVD already. You want to know what the I I

(32:05):
just thought of this. You want to know what the
biggest issue of this movie is? I think, I think what what sent
it on the wrong path is that they don't make a wrong turn in
this movie. This is the first one.
They actually make it to the destination they are intending
on going. They are going to this festival
in this town, someone. Does use the phrase wrong turn?

(32:25):
Yeah, but he says it. Movie.
Yeah, but he said it like it's it's like not even in reference
to driving. Like he it was like there's a
gal that goes, oh, I made a wrong turn, I'm trying to get
backstage. And then she like, fucks that
cop. That's the wrong turn reference.
In this movie, nobody driving makes a wrong turn.
In this movie. They actually make right turns

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and they get to their destination.
That's the issue with this movie.
I want to ask about that the that scene in a minute, but Ari,
what are your interested your thoughts on this cast?
Yeah, they're fine. They're just fine.
I the, the, the kids, the, the cannon fodder, they do the thing

(33:08):
they need to do. You know, they show up, they
make some poor choices like you're supposed to do in a
slasher, and they get killed oneby one.
We get a little bit of characterization about Billy,
who's quite loyal and trying to really save Cruz, and Cruz is
also really trying to get back to Billy.

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We've got a little bit of characterization with Lita,
where she's going to college andshe doesn't want to bring her
dumb boyfriend with her. They're all just totally fine.
I really like Lita's performance, the actor who plays
lead. I thought her performance was
strong, especially when she has her eyes gouged out at the end.
I think she did really well withthat.

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And Doug Bradley for me in this is so much fun because he's
having fun. I'm having fun.
And it's exactly the Hannibal Lecter James Von Villain, just
like Canal was saying, Like all the lines, he's just chewing
them up. And I'm having, I'm living for
it. I hated Doug Bradley so much.
It's like this. Movie he's just doing like

(34:11):
variations on the same line. Like there's so much of my boys
are coming and you're dead. The reckoning is upon you.
You're going to regret. You're not living the past this
moment. Like I'm just like, yeah, we get
it, Doug. He's like fresh and it's just
weird because like, he tries to look menacing, but he's got this

(34:34):
little scruff and this little like kind of punchy belly at the
same time, like the little, he looks like he'd be the third
best bowler in your bowling league, like pickup league.
He does look like a Maynard. Yeah, he he just doesn't look
menacing at all. He actually looks a little bit

(34:55):
like Jim Vern I or Ernest from the Ernest ghost to camp movies.
Like, like stretched out a little bit like.
Jim Varney just, yeah, a little bit more like gumbo looking.
And. He calls his boys pin heads and
that was so enjoyable. He does call them pin heads lol.

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I mean, and, and, and that's thething, if you watch the
Hellraiser movies and you enjoy them for Doug Bradley, this is
what he does. He stands in a room and he spits
bars. Like, you know, that's like kind
of his whole thing. Like, you know, he like, you
know, one of those actors that like transitioned from the stage
and then, you know, found himself in horror purgatory.

(35:38):
And but like, that's what he does.
He he, he likes to, he likes to spit lines.
So I mean this at least Declan Ryan's like all right.
Like, you know, so he kind of, it is funny that he's like the
opposite of like what some of these veteran actors do.
Like you said, like they want toshow up.
They want to do 1 scene in one room and like, you know, as
little lines as possible. And Doug Bradley at least is
like, no, I want the most lines.I better speak more than

(36:00):
everybody in this movie at the again, the chagrin of you know,
this movie is called Bloodlines.He's related to them.
We don't even get how he just says, oh, we're just kin.
We don't know where he came from.
He's apparently been there for 30 years on the run, hiding in
the woods. He's apparently always been
there, just we didn't see Maynard throughout the rest of

(36:22):
the movies. I love how this movie just
introduces him like he's always been that like, yeah, you guys
know Maynard, right? We're like, who?
So I'm just like, what is he? How did he get here?
What is he doing right? And I also don't like the.
Side from one line where they'relike where he says like, you're
not living in that asylum anymore.

(36:44):
There will be no connection between this and the previous.
Movie. I love how it goes.
You're living with me now as if like their parents died and they
had to like go to their uncle's place, you know, for the summer
or something. He's just like.
It's like Mr. Drummond from Facts from Different Strokes,
like he just adopts these three kids.
And, and and I don't like the because this, again, this

(37:05):
franchise does a lot of homages to Texas Chainsaw franchise in
many different ways. And it's so funny how like
forgiving I am of the Texas Chainsaw franchise of like
having a different family every movie because like they're each
family like has something like fun to offer.
It's like, you know, in three weget Viggo Mortensen, in four we

(37:25):
get Matthew McKay, you know, so it's like it doesn't matter if
all the family members are different.
They're all like fun in this. It's like, for some reason I
didn't see myself defending the mutant cannibals, but I'm like,
I don't like that they have a regular guy just bossing them
around in the movie and they're like supposed to be scared of

(37:46):
him. No, I like that the boys are
resourceful and that they live on their own and they do their
own thing. So I don't like this
introduction of just, there's a guy, just, there's a guy and
he's just like, I'm your kin. And it's just like, OK, so I'm
like, I don't know. So I'm, I, I, I, I, I feel like
the, the, the Hilliker boys losttheir agency in this movie, and

(38:07):
I don't like that. Is anyone else here a Three
Stooges fan? No, that's I, I can't.
It's not my, not not for me. The.
Greatest comedy team of all timeanyway.
Big physical comedy guy. That's a is Doug Bradley is like
the Moe of the Three Stooges andthat he's like, why you

(38:27):
numbskull and like hitting them with wrenches and like slapping
them around. Like you should have just given
him the bowl cut instead of having him be bald.
And it totally could have been MO from The Three Stooges.
And you know what? I would probably enjoy this
movie a lot more if if Doug Bradley was playing the role

(38:48):
like MO Howard. I'd be like you know what 4
stars would watch again. High recommend.
I reckon there was probably like, there was probably like an
early, what we call it, draft ofit of this where that
character's in a lot of prosthetics.
And then and then Doug Bradley said not for this morning, not

(39:11):
doing. That for this morning.
Like that, that's probably a thing that happened, You know
that that's probably what we need, Someone who's going to go
in a lot of what we call it prospects and then go straight
to DVD. Who do we know?
What keno you had mentioned earlier?
Like how, you know, you just talked about how like Doug

(39:32):
Bradley like was in this for a lot more than expected, but they
still only had him probably like3 or 4 days he could wrap up
because 80% of his stuff does take place in the jail cell.
I'd be interested how much of the budget like of 1,000,000
bucks went to Doug Bradley. If that was like half or even a
little bit more. And if that sucked up because

(39:55):
they made the part 4 for about the same amount of money.
But they have like a great location.
They could use the snowy environment, I think to kind of
like build it a little. And then they had, I thought
pretty excellent practical effects.
We're here. You have a choice between like
very what I describe as like spirit Halloween closeout sale

(40:16):
practical effects bolstered by some very dodgy CGI blood
splatter. I remember like a filmmaker in
Boston, he had like 30 grand to make a movie and he said he was
getting I think it was Kane harder for like 2 days for
15,000 bucks for those two days.And I remember asking him like,
why he would pay that much of his budget for one guy for two

(40:41):
days. He's like, well, it's Kane
hotter. Like if you put him on the DDVD
cover, it'll sell a lot more, which I don't know if I agree
with. Like, I don't know if people
would seek this out because like, Doug Bradley was in it.
Do you know what I mean? Like if you had skipped wrong

(41:01):
turn 3 and 4 but then found out like Doug Bradley's in part 5,
do you think horror fans are going to like put this higher on
their watch list? I mean, I'd assume so.
I think like what you call it like, like I say, it's like
because this is a franchise, because you can do a lot more

(41:23):
for that money, but like it is afranchise, It is a studio
picture, like not a big studio. Well, well, yes, it's that the
studio that's putting out 3D Resident Evil with Paul WS
Anderson and Amelia Djokovic like the same year.
That's where all the money's going.
Like, and The thing is like flipping, if you're independent,

(41:46):
you know, there's different rates for like, you know, like
if you're an independent artist and you're trying to work with
someone like, like you can negotiate and work around things
and like get better deals. And like that's also true for
like for like, for like crew andlike these kind of things like

(42:08):
flipping. I'm, I'm doing some stuff with a
short film that my watch recall that that my good mate Rory's
making. I'm doing some stuff off that
and like I'm not going to mention the name, but it's just
a short film, but it's got an actor who's been in big thing,
someone I've been a fan of a year just because he lives in

(42:29):
Liverpool at the minute and he'sgoing through a divorce right
now. Just caught in Lennon.
And also watch Recall it. There's this guy who's like he's
worked on Andor, like his DOP worked on Andor and Mickey 17
and all that, but he's like he'sfrom Chester originally and he's
just like sick of he's just sickof like watch, recall it like

(42:53):
like living in London. So he's like moving back to
Chester and like so like Rory's had the word women been able to
do that. Now you could do that as an
independent artist. You can like, you know, try and
sort out these cheap little deals.
But if you're operating on behalf of a studio, studios pay
the price, you know, flipping. You don't do matrix to an

(43:17):
organization with lawyers. You know, there's no, there's no
independent discount to support the movement when flipping You,
you, you've become a promotion engine for Millia Djokovic.
Yeah, I agree. And it's well, that's why I'd be
fascinated. Just like how much gets sucked

(43:37):
up by that engine, how much of the studios like you got to have
a name. If we're going to do another
one, you have to put someone in that fans are going to know, but
we're only going to give you X amount.
We're going to give you just as much as last time to make this.
And now all of a sudden that alllike, the creativity gets sucked
up by putting some quote UN quote name.

(44:00):
And I, I'll be honest, like, because I'm not a Hellraiser fan
aside from like the first movie.Like how much of A name Doug
Bradley even is not to besmirch?I mean, he's you know, he's
definitely not on like the levelof like some of our like, you
know, some of the genre like icons and veterans that we like

(44:22):
kind of come to think of. So maybe not as heavy, but I
mean, again, like just because that's again, who's watching
this movie is going to be the genre fan.
So like if anybody is going to recognize its name, it is going
to be the people that are watching this.
But you know, it again, like, you know, hey, you got paid.
You got to do some acting. Good time for him, good time for

(44:44):
the crew. They got a name attached to to
help make the movie great. Just wish, Hey, did anybody
remember to write a script for this?
You know, I, I feel like the onething that I don't even know if
I'd say is a positive, but it tickle me.
And I feel like maybe This is why Ari surprisingly likes this

(45:04):
one. There's little hints, little
shades, a Fast and Furious and the Hilliker boys pulling this
like heist to break him out of the jail.
I. Literally have that in my notes,
Devon. I'm looking at that note.
I had a suspicion. I didn't even see that note, but
I had a suspicion that that was the case because there's a

(45:26):
little section where it's like they're knocking out the cell
phone tower that knocked out thepower and he's just sitting in
the cell going, it's happening. I'm like, okay, this is kind of
funny. I was like, this is kind of
something I guess. This is I compare it to Fast 5
and it's nowhere near as good asFast 5.

(45:47):
But what I mean when I say that is this is the movie in the
franchise where the franchise knows what it is.
It knows you know what it is andit's winking at you.
We they're like, we know you gotthese hillbilly boys.
We love that you love that. We know you like some high jinks
and some creative kills. Like let's just get to it.
And they do this little heist, this ridiculous heist.

(46:10):
And I was just like, you know what?
This is kind of fun. This is kind kind of like a
later Fast and Furious movie, except there's just a rickety
old tow truck. Yeah.
Yeah, it's all and they have theThresher, so not really quick
moving machines in this one. Another thing I picked up on
that like, you know, I thought like like that probably like

(46:35):
cost more than money than it need right at the start when the
report is there, the reporter who's the opening kill who like
flipping, considering she lives in in a place where like like
people escape from an asylum andthey just don't care for 30
years. Considering like that's like the
the only notable thing. She's got some like big town
attitude. She's a bit gay or weathers

(46:57):
like. But like in that scene at the
start when she's talking about, Oh yeah, it's the Mountain Man
festival where we celebrate our local murderers that are still
loose. Like she's going, oh, it's as
big as Coachella or Lollapalooza.
And it's like, it's, it's like the, the, the town square in the
Gilmore Girls on like an averageday.

(47:22):
I would love to see Lorelai and Rory in a wrong turn movie.
Yeah, and have Lorelai. Extras in it.
There's not like you have to payextras like flipping, like
Netflix don't play it pay extras.
You look at like, like Netflix shows, like things like The
Queen's Gambit and all the crowdis like, it's all Unreal Engine.

(47:42):
Like, you know, they don't even like, like, watch like, like
they don't like. It's very rare that people
actually hire humans for extras these days.
Well, you you can tell it was probably just like they probably
just filmed. And then we're just like, hey,
can you sign this piece of paper?
All right. Cool.

(48:03):
Thanks. But you know, you're you're in
it. Congratulations.
No, they're. On a set, they're on a poorly.
Oh yes, no, that the the front of the the the front of the
police station is terrible Look,it looks like Sesame Street or
something. It looks like.
A stiff breeze will knock that whole set down.
But they go back to the town square for another new segment

(48:24):
with like the producer and the cameraman where the producer
goes on camera and there's really no point.
It's just like we need to tie this loop up.
Like it's just like she gets a victory moment by appearing
decent on camera and it's like, I guess like good for her.
She gets a win. Like does that fall under good

(48:46):
for her horror like? And then I think Ari, you
mentioned like there's like the last movie in part 4, there was
like an interracial like queer couple where like, oh, that's
pretty good representation for like a 2011 straight to video
movie. And then this movie feels like
aggressively heterosexual. It's like.

(49:07):
And why there is there is nary anon white person in this movie
like if you. Were to say like if the the
subtitle for this movie instead of Bloodline, it's going to been
wrong turn 5. No homo like that could have
totally been this this movie 20.11 too the.
Girl who that's. Probably what they were

(49:30):
apologising for with what we call it the reboot, because I, I
got my theories on the reboot because the reboot is exactly
it's an Italian cannibal film. And they've tried to figure how
could we have scary whites in an, in an Italian style cannibal
film. And the answer is Europeans,
Europeans that are first generation immigrants and still

(49:52):
have their accents that haven't integrated into our American
culture yet. They're not they're, they're
stealing our resources. They're not trying to make
America great. That's not scary, not like a,
like a, I like, I don't actuallylike the reboot, but I, I feel

(50:14):
like I'm going to forgive it because once I realise they're
trying to do, they're trying to do like cannibal Holocaust, then
they try to do cannibal Holocaust.
We're white and and there's a bit at the start of that where
they do just like literally likejust comes in his girlfriend and
then immediately after goes I just really want to use my
postgraduate degree to fight climate change.

(50:37):
It's like, I didn't know they had ChatGPT.
But what should we call it if they were like we really need to
apologize for some of the shit we did in five.
Like fucking I need a script doctor on this.
You might be right about that. Is there a point also to the
scene where like the girl who takes the wrong turn backstage

(51:00):
and has sex with the roadie, does that pay off in any way?
Like did I miss? Because he was one of the
deputies and he was on duty at the festival.
And then to fuck the gal, he leaves his radio on top of the
car. So when?
So when a cop lady is trying to radio for backup, nobody's

(51:22):
answering because he he's too busy fucking this gal.
That's the whole point of that scene.
That's it. Just to get rid of his, to get
rid of his radio for a minute, we must put this whole because
yeah, I was like, oh, is this going to lead to like a super
gruesome kill or something? No.
Nope. Just.

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Just an unnecessarily long sex scene.
It's pretty long, too. Yeah, it's like a minute like,
And hey, I'll give, I'll give Deklin O'Brien some credit.
Between this and the opening sexscene and the opening sex scene
of the of four, he he, he, he shoots a nice sex scene like the
it's hot, like it's, it's supposed to be titillating to
the straight to DVD viewers and it achieves that.

(52:05):
I'll give them that. Like they're not boring sex
scenes like they're they're well, he's got coverage on his
sex scenes. That's hilarious.
He's gonna. Cover it on Tainted Love.
Possibly the Declan O'Brien Uvrain Tainted Love Just.
Yeah, it's, it's gonna be a it'sgonna be a sister podcast to A

(52:27):
Love called Lovely Taint. Secret, secret smutty legend
Declan O'Brien, Listen. I would listen to the lovely
Tanks podcast. I would.
Subscribe killed me. That should have been our April
Fools episode. Damn, you've next.
You've mentioned, like other films this are like Fast and
Furious, Silence of the Lambs. Yeah, I thought with like the

(52:48):
cop getting his ear cut off likeReservoir Dogs.
And you know, I I don't like when bad movies remind me of
movies I'd rather watch. I'd like you could be spending
your time watching this. And this will be the only time I
ever compare Declan O'Brien to Steven Spielberg.
And it really is the only time anyone ever should.

(53:09):
But this felt like Declan O'Brien's Temple of Doom.
Like, I don't know what he was going through personally at this
time. Like, there's, you know, nothing
in the production notes or he was like, he was going through a
horrible divorce or a separationor whatever.
He was in a ton of gambling debtwith the mob and was feeling his

(53:30):
way about it. And someone broke his kids
fingers. I don't know.
But like there's such A and the other two films do have like
very nihilistic endings. Like part three, you have like
the cop going back and getting the money and then he gets
killed by the con you think is agood guy.
In part 4, you have like the woman on skis freeze 20 yards

(53:53):
from the road. And then the two women at the
end, like just when they're making their way to safety, they
get beheaded by razor wire, which I think is O'Brien's
subtle way of saying women shouldn't drive because they
didn't avoid. So I don't know what O'Brien is
saying. They're about, like, lady
drivers as well. But here, it's like the nastiest

(54:16):
ending of all. You have, like, the woman with
her eyes gouged out who has beentold by Douglas Bradley, like,
here's what's going to happen. Like, we're basically going to
use you to breathe. And she wanders into their truck
at the end of it and you're like, well, that's awful.
That's just absolutely purely like T And I watch them behind

(54:39):
the scenes things. She's like, who knows what
happens to her? Like she could be the star Part
6. And it's like, fuck off.
And then you have, like, the sheriff at the end, who is
ostensibly your hero character who just gets this unnecessarily
terrible ending where she gets like.
Again, she gets the face. Repeatedly, yeah.

(55:00):
And then a shotgun and you're kind of watching, thinking like,
all right, this is so nasty. Like she's going to have to
escape somehow, even if she doesn't make it to the end.
There's no way they're going to end this arc like this.
And then they. Do it's easily the the yeah, the
the meanest, like because yeah, he goes, he goes either A you're

(55:21):
going to burn to death or B you can blow your brains out, your
choice. And it's like what?
Like, looks like it's very upsetting.
Yeah, that and. Unpleasant.
It really is, yeah. Like cuz at the end they do that
scene. It's just so weird cuz they like
he like does the scene like, youknow, says all the things to her
and like let's her and then it'sonly like 10 minutes later that,

(55:44):
you know, she ends up picked up by the truck.
So it's like, you know, they could have even with that
moment. Yeah.
So even still, they could have like, if they were gonna do
that, like they should have likedid that like halfway through.
And that would have been like a funny thing.
If they like let her go like halfway through the movie and
then like at the end, like blew back, that would have been like,
oh, OK, you you got like a you earned a fuck you from me.

(56:04):
Like gotcha. But like this is just like kind
of like aha, wouldn't this be wouldn't this be mean?
Wouldn't this be funny and and and yeah, just and not the fun
way, you know, cuz you know, we like a fuck you ending, but I
don't know yeah, something aboutthis one again, like it's like,
I don't think you guys earned this, but you know who did earn
their paycheck? I wish I I wish I would have

(56:25):
wrote it down, but I noticed that all the we have a fully
original soundtrack, all original songs written and
performed for Rawling Turn 5. They paid some band to write
these songs. Cheater horse.
No, it's some just random band. Like it's like, it's like just,

(56:47):
you know, random band that they paid to do this because like the
the needle drops at certain scenes are like on they're like
the on the nose ones. And it's just like generic rock
song narrating the scene, you know, like during the like, like
you said, like during like the ear part, that song sounds like,

(57:07):
you know, stuck in the middle with you even like, and then the
and then the the epic, the epic guitar riff.
I mean the guitar riff hilarious.
But the the the end credits songsent me the end credits song.
Mercy is so like dramatically serious and like somber and it's

(57:28):
like, there's another scene, too, during Cruz's death is
like. Guitar riff like it's like
cheesy Whaley. It's so bad.
It's so bad, it. It gave me it gave me giggles.
So like, shout out to that band that was like, hey, yeah,
remember that one time we got paid to write original songs for

(57:48):
Wrong Turn 5 Bloodlines? Good times guys, Good times.
Yeah, I think. Something's gone on there 'cause
like, like you say, it's like all one band.
Like I think there's like a couple of bands in the credits,
but it says written and performed by and it's the same
names. Yeah, yeah.
That kind of thing. And it's all like structured
around this one band. And like, it's very, very, very

(58:11):
funny to me that it's that this film is at a music festival and
there's no music. So like, I think there might,
there was probably a draft of this script.
Like this is someone who like the, the band are probably like
mates with the director in it. They mates with someone.
This is how you get this kind ofgig to like do a whole

(58:32):
soundtrack with all the originalsongs like that you're
publishing. Like it's a it's a like Albert
Pune. Like he used to make like loads
of like like films like in like with like iced tea and Snoop
Dogg, where they'd watch recall it barely be in them.

(58:53):
And they'd make these bullshit director DVD films that they'd
shoot in Bulgaria in these kind of places.
And what they do is like the reason they do it is because
they watch recall it, then they write the song or like put one
of the songs that's going on their album anyway, in like the
movie you you remember the watchrecall it like the the the

(59:13):
really shit watch recall it likerapper film DVD era, don't you?
Yeah, totally. Yes.
Like, like lots of those, like Albert Pune was one of the ones
who direct them. And like most of them, it's
like, it's not quite a tax dodge, but it's like watch
recall it. The rapper appears in the film
and they do the songs for it andthat like then they can say

(59:37):
we've got soundtrack by this guyand this guy and this guy but
that, but they also own the publishing.
So you get the money. So as well as the money from the
from the residuals from the film, you get the money, you get
the publishing from the soundtrack that's on it at all,
anywhere that displays it or sells.
It and they track the CD down. I bet that's that's a collectors

(01:00:00):
item. Gonna be worth lots of money one
day. The illustrious Wrong Turn 5
Bloodlines original soundtrack. A band that's name checked and
they do have a couple songs on the soundtrack, like when
they're driving right before theaccident, they're like, oh,
we're going to go see the cheetah whores.
And that is like Declan O'Brien's like nieces band

(01:00:20):
apparently. So they had a bunch of songs in
part 4 and then they have like soundtrack credits and
Sharktopus and Joyride 3, which are all like all directed by
Declan O'Brien. So he's definitely, I don't know
if you would call it a nepo. Baby tights.
No, he's just got the homies in,you know, rowing his family and

(01:00:41):
some. Some shekels there.
Why not get them in there? I just thought that was like,
funny when she said, well, why have I never heard of this band?
And it's like, yeah, hell, you're 1 of many that haven't.
It's all right. Hey, well, we know the intern
family, just like the Fast and Furious franchise is all about
family, you know? And this movie is supposed to be

(01:01:03):
about family. It's not really.
I wish we got some like bloodlines lore like, you know,
because I was like trying to think.
I was like, I was like, because they like mentioned like he did
something 30 years ago and like he's been on the run ever since,
but he's just been hiding in thewoods the whole time.
So I was like, I was like tryingto think.
I was like, did they like was like Maynard just like maybe

(01:01:26):
name dropped in like the beginning in that like flashback
sequence in four or something and then they picked him up or
something. No, I was like and I was like
and like if we do like, 'cause at this point if we are back in
current times from wrong turn 4 and we see that these are the
boys were like born in like the like late 60s because that early

(01:01:48):
that segment takes place in like1974 or something like that.
So like these are like 40 year old like men in this.
I mean, three finger looks old as shit.
He looks older than Maynard. So I'm like what?
What is the relation? I'm like, what's the relation
here? Yeah, it is hard living in West
Virginia for sure. That that's what West Virginia
will do to you. It's gonna turn you into a

(01:02:09):
sawtooth or a one eye. But yeah, they you know, we
don't really get like the the kind of like interplay between
the brothers as much except for like a couple of these kill
scenes. But yeah, the the the again,
like I was like I was waiting it.
It's so interesting because likethey have this script and it's

(01:02:31):
like, OK, we got the the Mountain Men People festival.
So it's like, OK, that's kind ofa fun idea that somebody threw
out when they were brainstormingfor the script.
And then it's like, OK, so we got that.
We also need a tie in this family.
But at the same time, we only have the money to spend most of
the movie in this jail cell. Huh.

(01:02:52):
OK, what are we like, what, what, what like how do we make
this work? You know, is is very fascinating
and unfortunately it's just like, it doesn't like come
together on like any of the fronts 'cause they're like kind
of just a little bit too, too scattered.
But I would say this was like a yeah, like my my least favorite
of the times with the boys. I'll say again, the person

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playing Three fingers at least does have like 1 scene where he
like beats the shit out of cop lady.
I love that like 3 fingers is like a hand to hand specialist.
He has like this like hillbilly like fighting style that is
always satisfying for me. So at least Three finger did get
his signature hand to hand combat scene in this movie.

(01:03:37):
Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I like, I did like that.
Because everything else they do is like fucking, oh, we got to
fucking crucify this guy with like these things that are
hanging around but weighs just on his own.
He's like, fuck it, hands all day.
Might have three fingers, but he's still got hands.
Yes. They do try for some creative

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kills. And Ari, I know you've made a
note of that and I, I kind of wanted to get your opinion.
Ari, unlike what do you feel 'cause I feel where this series
suffers is that it's like villains.
There's nothing that is like very that stands out about them
at the end of the day. And I'm wondering what, if
anything, you feel does like. Am I wrong in that in that

(01:04:23):
critique of the series? So the first thing that comes to
mind is their resilience. Like all jokes aside, like these
are some resilient boys that have they've been drinking.
We see the green water in wrong turn too.
It's basically toxic sludge. They're eaten just whatever they

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can find and somehow they survive.
And so like a lot of killers andhorror franchises are
unkillable, but these guys don'teven come close to being killed
hardly ever. Like they're just.
Well see, because that was dropped in in four they have the
the no pain disease or whatever.But that can still get.

(01:05:05):
You can still get killed. From that, certainly, yeah, I
guess so. I think they're pretty
resilient. And I don't know, everybody
loves a cannibal. Don't you just love a cannibal?
I do. I made a note that three fingers
distinguishing characteristic isthat he laughs like Scooby-doo.

(01:05:28):
It is a nice cackle I. Noticed that a lot in this.
Movie Well yeah, that's his whole thing.
You know, everybody in the you get one thing, you know,
everybody gets their one distinguishing.
But it's like in this, it's fascinating because like in the
other ones, it's like you can always like, oh, like the movie
is like making a point to be like they kill because they kill

(01:05:49):
for food mainly like kill for food.
Or if they if you're in their turf and then they hunt you or
if you kill one of their own, then they're gonna hunt you or
whatever. And this is just like I like,
it's like, I don't know, it's funny that the the thing for
this is OK, we've been found outin the town now, even though the

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town's been doing this festival for 10 years.
So you've always, everyone's been known that y'all are out
there. So I don't know what is
different now. But like, so now it's like, OK,
it's operation, you know, like, you know, get the fuck out of
here. So it's like, you gotta break me
out of this jail. We're gonna set the town on fire
and leave is like kind of their whole thing in this.
So it's like all the kills in this, they're doing this and

(01:06:32):
then it's like, OK, well, we have to do this thing, but like,
hey, let's take a minute and rigup these chains and do this
whole whole thing. So it's like they killing more
for fun in this, which is not usually like them.
They, they, they take a little bit more Glee in this one.
So again, like kind of going in Declan O'Brien's just like
increasing mean streak for thesefilms.

(01:06:54):
I, I will say that I love my favorite scene.
Her favorite burst of violence is the scene where they have Gus
tied to the back of the tow truck and his legs like tied to
the front door. And then they just smash his
legs with a bunch of sledgehammers and then just like
drag his like body like with thetow truck.
I'm like, that's, that's pretty gnarly and but it's done really

(01:07:18):
well. I'd say that's like the best
effect in the in the film when you see his mangled legs.
Like another thing, I think thatwhat should we call it?
That's probably like got rewritten because like, I can
watch it and I see what I think what the original intentions
were because like you've got people going round in like
literally masks of the currentlyactive fugitives.

(01:07:41):
So like flipping. Like I think like, at some point
Declan O'Brien probably wanted to do like, what should we call
it, Like a music festival thing,like where they can roam.
Freely because they blend in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like basically like, like when it's Halloween, it's like,

(01:08:01):
like when ET is allowed to like go knocking around outside the
house because it's Halloween andeveryone's in the same costume.
It's the same kind of thing. They're all they're, they're all
getting about like that. And, and like, you know, it's a
music festival and they're moving freely and the music
festival is going to feature musical numbers by Declan
O'Brien's flippin daughter's mates, flatmates flipping band.

(01:08:26):
And like, that's what it's goingto be.
And it's going to be this, this,this big music festival thing.
Because like, it's a trope of anything like the, the, the,
what should we call it? Fucking the bounce to get
backstage. That's that's a that that's a
concert movie flipping trope. That's not a horror trope.
That's a concert movie thing. That's like fucking like, like

(01:08:49):
like fucking what when when the films about going to a festival
or like it's a Wayne's World thing or something like that.
So I think it was originally supposed to be a lot more
musical. And it was.
And there was supposed to be a lot more to do with the fact
that people are wearing masks and they can move freely.
And I'm pretty sure they would have originally wanted Maynard

(01:09:10):
not to look like the most normalperson in West Virginia.
Like like so I I think like, like basically all the money's
gone to Millia Djokovic flippin like shut up Alexa, unlike like

(01:09:31):
sorry, Alexa's being a Dick out there.
I've got a cat here and all, butyeah, like, I think like a lots
had to be changed. A lot of the money has gone and
I I think this was very put together like rapidly and like,
I think the Bulgarian crew were probably like, you know, you're
paying, you're paying, you've got Milia Djajovic money.

(01:09:52):
So we're going to charge you a lot for like this set, which we
also use on a Bulgarian sitcom. But we're not going to tell you
that. We're going to tell you that we
built it for you and you're going to get charged for
building it. Like, I think there's a lot of
that going on. And I said this with Wrong Turn

(01:10:13):
4, like the movie I would have loved to have seen would have
been like, what would have been the aftermath after the
breakout? Like if you have the clean up
efforts, rather than you have this prologue set in the 70s and
then you jump to modern times again.
And then there's like really no other connection to that
prologue except for the setting,that music festival idea.

(01:10:38):
And the other thing is like this, this film is based on
characters written and created by Alan McElroy, who also wrote
Halloween 4. Like that's probably what he's
best known for. So now you have like 2
connections to him where you have these horrific murders that
have gone on in town and you canbuy like masks of the killer

(01:10:59):
like right at your local 5 and dime store, which is like that's
the cottage industry of this town.
It's like big turret. It's like in Jaws where you have
Amityville and they're like, hey, we, we got to get rid of
the shark because like it'll kill our tourist season here.
It's like in Haddonfield and in like whatever like town this is
in West Virginia, they're like, we get to sell masks with the

(01:11:22):
killers. And that is like 20% of our
local economy every year goes tothese Halloween masks.
And if you have a down year, like the economy is fucked and
everyone's going back into the coal mines for like an extra
shift in order to make ends meetjust.
You know why they're? Weirdest, most bizarre shit.

(01:11:42):
What is it like? I think is it like, I think it's
in like North Carolina or something.
There's a place called like Eureka Springs and like like,
it's like like the, the one likesort of like liberal place in a
like very red area. And like, that's going to be
like the, like the current movesthat are happening there is it's

(01:12:05):
going to be like America's like Halloween town, like, and like,
because I know someone who's involved it, their whole thing
is the, the, the, there's the biggest zombie walk that they do
in this Eureka Springs play. So like someone I've like like
work with, like it's sort of setup this company and it's gone in

(01:12:26):
because like the zombie walks the only time like it makes
money. So they're setting it up as
like, you know, like there's a place in Colorado that like
that, like the Lifetime challenges comes in and make the
Hallmark just makes like like 15Christmas movies in like 2
months. And that's where all the money
comes from. They try to do that with this

(01:12:47):
Eureka Springs, but for Halloween.
And they're going to be making like all like Hocus Pocus
movies, like like Flippy, like and like they're going to have
like tie in like a, like a like a like dating simulator apps and
this kind of thing. I love.
I love the line when the in. America like at the minute.

(01:13:08):
I I love the line when the reporters like this is the 10th
year of the festival and it is rivaling numbers of Lollapalooza
or even Coachella. And I was like, no, which it's
actually a Coachella weekend right now.
So LA is very quiet because everyone's out in the desert,
thank goodness. But but I thought that was super
funny because I was just like, Nope, this is definitely not.

(01:13:30):
This is barely bigger than, you know, my town fair back in, you
know, that we threw in our high school, you know, parking lot is
about the equivalent size to this, which I just thought that
was super funny. It begs the question, Ariel, can
you discuss the geography of this film in relation to the

(01:13:53):
others? Because you get to Part 1 and 2
and you're supposed to be like you have these like overhead,
like drone shots or or crane shots of the scale of how large
and vast these woods are and howeasy it would be to like either
get lost in them or if you're the mutant cannibals to hide in

(01:14:16):
them for 30 years. And here it feels like Mater,
just like kind of lived in a shack behind the local Paki.
Like it feels very much like a just a small town setting.
Can I just like, because there'sgoing to be UK people listening
over there, unlike that word, hesaid, which is short for

(01:14:40):
packaged liquor store. Yeah, a very different.
What is the UK? What is the UK?
What, like I don't even feel like comfortable saying the word
because it's like a racial? Slur.
Oh, OK. Oh God.
I didn't know that. Because like members of the,

(01:15:01):
what should we call it, the Pakistani community, a lot of
them over here like own off licenses.
So we're like an off license is like a packaged liquor store.
So like a lot of people use thatracial slur.
Got it. So let's.

(01:15:21):
Say instead etymology to mean the same thing.
Got it. Used the book out of Me, what
you call it, the first time I went to Boston.
Yeah, well, and then that is like very much.
I get the Boston term for these liquor stores.
So let's say he lives behind like the local mom and pop
grocer store and not in this vast wooded area like Ari.

(01:15:46):
Can you make sense or help us make sense of the geography in
this film? Well, thank you, Canal, for
pointing that out 'cause I also didn't know that.
And and to answer your question,Mike, no, I can't, I can't
defend the geography of this. I mean, in the first movie,
we're in the middle of nowhere and the second movie we're in

(01:16:09):
the middle of nowhere, plus a camera crew.
And the third movie, we're in the middle of nowhere, but we're
by a highway and there's an armored truck with a bunch of
money in it. And the 4th movie there's snow,
which I'm like. And an insane asylum.
Yeah, and here we've got, like Canal said, the Gilmore Girls,
Stars Hollow, Town Square and like an old timey Western Front

(01:16:32):
storefront. So no, I I can't defend any
part. Of that well 'cause their their
place got taken down so again they had to move in with family
Maynard whoever he. Is this takes place before Part
1 though, Does it? Yeah, that's the idea.

(01:16:53):
Yeah, I know. Does it say that anywhere?
How are we supposed to know thatit?
Says it exactly exactly divine. It says it in like the articles
I've read, like it's a prequel to Wrong Turn.
It's like, is it though? Like what?
Makes it a. It's It is hilarious that the

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there really is no reason Maynard just couldn't get a job
unlike buy them some dinner. This movie is gaslighting me.
I don't like it. Like like I don't think that
what you call it with like I canunderstand if they're on the run
from the Usain asylum from doingall those murders, they got a

(01:17:34):
lay low, but I don't understand why you can't provide for them
in like a more legitimate way. I feel like he could just get a
job in town and buy groceries. There's food nearby, like part
of the lore in the second. You don't they.
Ran out of their food source. Yeah, and.

(01:17:56):
Now there's just this town. So it's like, Maynard, just buy
the boys some groceries. Yeah, just buy the boys some
groceries. Maynard.
God, you suck. It feels like a fairly thriving
community. They're hosting a music
festival, like they're hosting aLollapalooza sized music fest.

(01:18:16):
Like they're able to do that. There are like plenty of hotels
in the area. Like there's a thriving.
This is not West Virginia. And Maynard and Maynard talks
about what they do as if there'ssome sort of operation.
He's like, he's like, you can't leave anything behind.
We've done this. I've gotten by for this long
because I don't make mistakes and I don't leave things behind.

(01:18:38):
And then and then he says, get her processed.
I was like, process for what? What do you mean you got you all
got a database for your cannibalism or something?
You got to enter her into the library before you fully
cannibalize her. Like what are we talking about?
I like how you cross this a deer.
Oh, OK. Is that what they call it?
I don't hunt. I'm I'm one of the few

(01:19:00):
Missourians that is not into hunting.
So I wouldn't I I'm not hip to building go.
I like the idea that we're putting her in a database.
I'm I'm writing. Spreadsheet.
Are you writing fanfiction in myhead where this is Starz Hollow

(01:19:20):
and Rory Gilmore has to choose between like Dean and a young
three finger in terms of like who she's going to date and like
the witty banter that would go on between the two.
Or or Lorelei bringing like Sawtooth home for dinner at like

(01:19:41):
the elder Gilmore estate in likethe parents Chagrin and her
choice and men. I know, I know, it's brought up
in multiple episodes, but is this officially canonizing that
the Wrong Turn movies take placein the Gilmore Girls universe?
I think they all do. I think they all they do name
check Final Destination in the Gilmore Girls a couple times so

(01:20:05):
that we know that they they stand a good genre series as
they should, you know. Everything.
They exist as movies in the Gilmore Girls universe.
Or documentaries. They could be documentaries in,
in the Gilmore, you know, I think everything is the Gilmore
Girls universe and we're just happy to live in it, basically.

(01:20:28):
Like the Mountain Man Music Festival is like a pretty valid
reason for your man out of Skid Row to be in town.
Oh my God, you're right. Sebastian Bach could have turned
up in this. Yeah.
It would be good if they did that, if this was like the one
of the series that wasn't a horror film where they're just
going round like pretended that they're wearing masks and eating

(01:20:51):
corn dogs and stuff. There's lots of funny antics at
the music festival with just like the one guy out of Skid Row
doing You've Gone wild. I just watched Scary Movie for
the first time probably since itcame out in theaters.
And the part where like James Van Der Beek like climbs through

(01:21:14):
her window and it's like, oh, you know, wrong set.
And then just crawls back out like that pops me like
absolutely. AB had a good laugh at that
thought that was really good. Do we have anything else?
Like is there our I feel like we've shortchanged you today.
I feel like you came here to defend this movie.
This has been. Great fun tell.

(01:21:36):
Us why it's. I just one thing I wanted to
mention that I didn't say yet isone of the characters was named
Julian and I feel like they named him that after Julian
Richards, who played the Three Finger originally.
And so there you go. Now it is smart.
And is Julian the one who? I don't.

(01:21:58):
I couldn't tell you. He's one of the kids.
It is. He's the one that looks like
Andrew Garfield. Like it's happened in Part 4-2
where they get these people thatlook kind of like more famous
actors. It's like we have Andrew
Garfield at home and then it's Oliver Hoare who plays Julian.
And it's like, that's not what Iwanted.

(01:22:19):
And then you have the dude who plays Teddy, who kind of looks
like Tobey Maguire, but. Definitely not the gal that the
gal that plays Cruz. They're like we got Sarah Polley
in Bulgaria. Or Kate Hudson like I thought
Kate Hudson a little bit this like series is seems famous for

(01:22:40):
getting like lesser like except for Part 1 where you have like
Elijah Dushku and Jeremy Sisto and.
They're going to Mandela affect people and be like be like, be
like, hey, you remember the wrong turn movie that has Naomi
Watts in it and you're like, what?
She was in one of those and you're like, yeah, I think so.
That. And it's like, and then you
watch it and you're like, wait, who's this blonde girl named

(01:23:02):
Cruz? Well, I think we did it.
I think we can put wrong Turn 5 to bed, folks.
Is that are we good? Are we good?
I think we stretched about as much out of it as we.
Think we've milked this one, like I said, like very angry
watching this movie, but I thinkthe joy of this show is always

(01:23:24):
getting to talk with y'all aboutthese movies.
It does make it almost worthwhile.
So I will say that. So the show continues for
another 284 episodes, Yes, and there.
Was a lot of pressure on this episode but like there really
was me and Ari were talking before pre recording.
Like Ari, we have to, we have tokeep the show alive.

(01:23:45):
And like this is the one we we got, we got to.
We did it. I know.
Well, Ken did it. We did it.
Keno, you are welcome back as a guest.
We'd love to have you back on. I love.
The experience. Been listening for years, Mike.
We're gonna be country mates at some point in the near future,
relatively near future because we're headed over there.

(01:24:07):
So my wife is from Cornwall so total other ass end of the
country but we will be in the same country at some.
Point Last time I was in Cornwall I was watching a Nine
Inch Nails at the Eden Project. Oh OK, I've never been to the
Eden Project but she has spoken of it many times so.

(01:24:28):
If you're ever up north, you canvisit Chester and I can I can
show you like where various things took place in the
Hollyoaks. Absolutely.
The Hollyoaks guided tour. I can visit our friend Rebecca.
From talking, Hitchcock claims Ari Astor grew up here.
OK. Yeah, and.

(01:24:49):
And Hollyoaks. Yeah, yeah, flipping.
We got Hollyoaks and I think Daniel Craig like claims Chester
and all. Other than that, it's just me.
Well, Speaking of just you, where can listeners find you and
what do you have that you want to promote and work and you're
working on? Like I've been working for on a

(01:25:11):
game which you can wish list on Steam.
It's been through a lot of like a lot of advancements that have
meant a lot of work for me because I'm doing everything on
it. I'm like designing it, I'm
writing it, I'm composing it andbut you can wish list it on
steam and see some trailers thatare a bit outdating now, but I'm
coming back with some new stuff soon.

(01:25:32):
My game on steam is called expired meds.
If you follow me on the socials,I'm kennel dot LA on Instagram
and also sinister dot cinema. If you check there, like I post
mad stuff because I make a lot of weird things, my YouTube
sinister cinema, but sinister cinema studios dot art.

(01:25:54):
I've got to renew the link tree,but that's where I've got
everything I've I made a short film that won an that won an
award from the director of the Blair Witch Project, which was
like a found footage film that Imade in my computer flippin.
I make a lot of weird little shorts because I'm going through

(01:26:15):
this experimental phase. I've just posted one that's a
little 37 second cyberpunk thingin a, what should we call it, a
2000s aesthetic style with my cats in it that I've made this
afternoon. And so I'm on Blue Sky as since
the cinema studios dot art And those are the main places you

(01:26:38):
can find me since the cinema studios dot art.
Awesome. We're looking forward to having
you back in Devon. What is going on with both
Tainted Love and Spectre Cinema Club?
Over on Spectre Cinema Club, newepisodes every Tuesday we are
covering, we are in the midst ofour sub genre switch up series

(01:27:00):
covering films like how Star is one thing turn into something
else. And I shouted out Wrong Turn 3
for being a fun example of that 'cause I was like once, yeah, I
was like, I was like Prison Break in my Wrong Turn movie.
Yeah, sure, I'll take it. So so that's what we're doing
over there. So we got movies like Kill List,

(01:27:20):
Life Force and The Empty Man coming up.
That's gonna be a super fun one.And then over on Tainted Love,
new episodes every other Wednesday.
We did an episode on Femme, which I talked about in our Best
of 2024 list that was very high on my list.
Very intense erotic thriller, very queer, lots of gay sex in

(01:27:43):
it. So that's a very fun episode to
hear U.S. chat about. And then we'll be a talk in
possession if you want to get insome homework before we drop
that episode at Tainted Love Podat Spectre Cinema.
And you can find me at all the usual places at Under Score
Daddydisco. Excellent, Ari.

(01:28:03):
How about yourself, my friend? You can find me on all the
socials at Ari under score Hellraiser and I'll post all my
writing and podcasting there. I'm I'm working on some stuff
right now but nothing really to say yet.
Fair enough. Well, you are always running
things behind the scenes here atthe pod and the pendulum.
You are the glue that keeps this, this, you're really the

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conductor that keeps this on the, the, the rails because I
tend to take I, it kind of is, but I think you do a phenomenal
job of that. And you can find us at pod of
the pendulum.com where all 284 back episodes are posted.
You can leave reviews there as well that'll post to Apple.

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You can find us on the socials at pod and pendulum on blue ski
Pod and pendulum over on Instagram.
And yeah, go ahead and give us afollow there and on our
[e-mail]/pod on the Pendulum where like we
mentioned, for 2 bucks a month you get a ton of bonus material,
including Steven and I kind of doing a fan commentary on the

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French Connection, but really just shooting the breeze and
acting like giggling idiots for an hour and 42 minutes.
So pros, I think that's a pro, not a con.
You can follow me at Mike Snooney and over on Blue Ski and
at Mike Chump change over on Letterbox where I do post all my

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stuff with reviews there as well.
And that is it for this week. We will be back next time with
Wrong turn 6 Last Resort. And Ari, you have been kind
enough to send over a new clip for the board.
So we'll be debuting that clip for the soundboard next week.

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But right now, we'll stick with our tried and true.
Thank you Admiral Akbar, always a pleasure to hear from you as
well. Take care listeners, have a
great.