2026: The Year Of Feminine Badassary | The Podcast That Rocked - The Podcast That Rocked

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome back to the podcast that rots weekly podcasts that
talks about news in the world of rock, metal, alternative
and everything in between.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is Luke, my name is Alex, and my
name is Rowan.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Thank you all so much for hanging out with us
on this Wednesday evening or whatever day it is, and
what time it is in the world that you're watching.
I just say Wednesday evening because it's a lot easier.
Thank you so much to everyone, especially the live Steves
we have in the Steve chat on our skive Cast's
gonna throw in the word Steve every time I can.
Now if everyone gets sick of it, then it doesn't
matter anymore. If we had fifty likes, we will get

(00:39):
around the festival rocker flop going where we book random festivals.
I updated the folder. By the way, there's more good
and bad stuff in it. That's right, more good and
bad stuff.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, that could be good or terrible. It gets weird
if we get to some of the stuff, by the way,
but also could be great. It could be great. So
thank you all so much for hanging out with us.
As everyone in the chat. Why is YouTube throwing a fit?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Goodness? What YouTube. You know what, it's fine. Hello and
every one of the Steves, Alex Rowan myself, welcome you
all in. We have a surprising amount of conversation and
information to give to all of you, and we were
not expecting it up until like today at two pm.
It got real quiet over the weekend because of Black

(01:27):
Friday and Thanksgiving, and then today is said, oh you
want stories, do you well we got them. That was
like yeah, yeah, like very quickly too, like we could
not even react fast enough. So also, you already have
a question, Alex, did you watch the dude the Pretty
Reckless where are you Christmas? Video? Yet?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I haven't seen it yet nose boilers.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Okay, well, so if Rowan and I are having a
conversation with Alex is like this just jazing off. Yeah,
we know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
How awesome? And the Pretty Reckless was Oh my god,
you ever that one part? Luke?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, shut your mouth, right man, shut your mouth.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
The camera work man? How good was that?

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh my god? Like as a geographer, I mean I'd
sit my hat.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Thanks. You guys are niceciate.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Good think we're not all in the same studio right now,
we'd both get hit oh.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
When they played that one song. When they played that
one song, Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yes, just generic. Did you see her in the outfit
with the shoes and the hair and the makeup? Oh
my god, yeah, just the most generic nice yeah, yoh,
that gets our work.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
By the way, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
All right, we'll stop ragging on Ox because we know
she'll get us back later. Thank you all so much.
We're gonna go right into it right now with the
good news and the interesting news about our main story.
I would like to say I did not come up
with the title of our podcast Tonight twenty twenty six,
the Year of Feminine Badassery. That would be one Alex.
I'm gonna share my screen with my friends so they

(02:58):
could see what's going on entire screen. There we go, bam, bam.
What you're looking at is the new tour if it
lets me zoom out Evin Essence, spirit Box Poppy also
featuring No Betweins in KFLA going through North America, Europe,
parts of is that it North America.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
And Europe, North America, Europe and the UK.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And UK because they're no in no man's land apparently
for the last two years. But yes, it happened they
called their shot. The teas was official Evidessence, spirit Box, Poppy.
Was there an alert notification on my end? I thought
i'd heard something, Yeah, something's wow. Even Discord is getting
all riled up over Evidescence and spirit Box and Poppy. Okay,

(03:49):
So there were some quotes given with the press release.
We're going to talk about the tour first, and this
is what a lot of people are excited about. This
is an amphitheater tour, Big Fatty One, going from June
to October. That is a lot of dates with a
lot of angry ladies screaming at each other around the world.
It's exactly what people want. So that being said, the

(04:12):
other quote that was like indirect was kind of confirmed
by Amy Lee saying, Oh, they've recorded more stuff together.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
They seem to be awesome drop an album.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
The fact that they're such good friends, they planned this
much out, They already are willing to travel towards each other.
I'm willing to bet we could get more than one
extra song out of this. Poppy plays with anybody. Poppy
plays with anybody. Spirit Box is going to be between
album cycles. Evan Essence just does what they want. Why
not Ivan's here scrounging up a store Poppy.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
We do know Poppy is set to release a new
album in February, so it would be interesting if maybe
if like if we got like a couple of features,
that would be sick.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I'm sure that can happen. To have they released the
track listing.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
For that yet for the new I don't remember they
had Now.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Gotcha and they're great too. We'll get to that also.
But I do want to ask this because Alex, I
turn this over to you a little bit, because you
did a little bit of impromptu research on this one.
Our ticket's going to be easy to obtain, be honest.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Easy to obtain, Yes, it financially responsible to obtain.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Not quite easy to obtain if you're rich.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yes, I mean that's great.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I was looking at a couple of the dates, and
the cheapest I found for like a general admission pit
kind of near the stage but not necessarily like it's
like two dollars for one ticket, and I'm like, I
don't need to eat that week. It's fine. We can
make it happen.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'll be that So, I mean, yeah, that's two hundred
dollars at the grocery store. It really isn't that much
anymore anywhere.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
So yeah, yeah, so what can we expect from a
live nation tour though this one is gonna be hard
to weigh. Listen to your radio station and win tickets.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yes, absolutely, Oh they'll do online giveaways and stuff too. Absolutely. Oh.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Concert crap. They do giveaways all the time.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Concert crap. Corey does a great job with that, like
he's been friends with the channel for a while now,
get the Cory is the one that runs it. Concert caps,
the one to follow on Instagram. Concert crap. They do
giveaways excluding for tours like this, the big stuff and
festivals all the time. Great plug. There's one thing I
also want to point out right now. We thought there's
gonna be Evidescent, Spearbox and Poppy as the main three

(06:40):
every tour. Uh huh. We are not getting Poppy in
a lot of the US gates unfortunately, so the other
fillers with special guests Nova Twins and KFLA. We knew
about KFLA, we did not know about Nova Twins. That's
a good fit. I like Nova Twins being on this
as well, but it's important to know, Like look up

(07:00):
the tour poster. It's on screen right now. For people
that are interested, if you're watching on YouTube, just google
the tour dates online or check out rock dot net
and things like that as well. I made a short
for it. Check out which date is closest to you,
and then check out which bands are playing with Evanescence,
because that is going to be a big factor. I
don't want you going thinking you're getting spirit Box and
Poppy when you will not be getting both.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes, do your due diligence, because this lineup is not
the entire tour, not even close.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Actually there's like five, there's four different touring groups, I
want to say with Evanescence.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
So US is just Evanescence, spirit Box correct with Nova Twins,
and then UK is the only time you can catch
Poppy with Evanescence correct.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Also, it's weird that it's weird that they're doing all this,
but they don't have a set date where all of
them are together, not even one or maybe if that
could be even like maybe a surprise show.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Now, one little fun blur right there. You never know.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
July eighteenth is blur, and that's a California date. We
know because they're already between California stuff. Also, so Alex
could be sent in there in Los Angeles trying to
scoop it around whatever the Intuit Dome or whatever the name,
but it is now in LA However, I could see
them squeeze it in festival dates as well, all three

(08:18):
of them or all five of them. I could totally
see that.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well ahead of this, We've already got Evan Essence on
tap for Sick New World, so correct.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Could they add Spearbox and Poppy because it's Sick World
months before June, you know, so that would be a
good way for them to test things out and just
get all the shenanigans out, you know, see how much.
And Poppy's already been to Sick New World unannounced and
just doing cameos.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
That's honestly what I was kind of thinking here, because
last time Poppy was there, she wasn't booked to perform
with Knocked Loose and bad Omens. Poppy was not on
that lineup.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
She should have both on the same day. Yeah, so yeah,
we complained, we argue, or we're curious about how things
are gonna run. This is a good thing. This is
huge for the US and Europe and Canada. Do they
go to Mexico. I don't know if they go to.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Mexico, not on this, not on this announcement. We never know.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, there could be another leg there could be more
toward it's announced. That being said, though, this is a
big amphitheater tour that I hope sells really well because
this is another big one that has potential to sell.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I feel like it's guaranteed to sell. Like Poppy and
spirit Box have both been like gonna gained more into
the mainstream zeitgeist this last year, these last couple of years,
and Evidessence just has like that legacy. It has just
become kind of like that legacy act. So honestly, I
could see this going really well. And I mean End
of You was really well received. I know so many
people now who say, like that's their song of the year. Absolutely,

(09:50):
it was a bit of like a cultural phenomenon, at
least in our space.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
It was a unique y go ahead I think because
of end of You, not even and if you're not
even super big on the track itself, maybe if we
can be honest about that, you can be honest like,
oh yeah, I wasn't super into the song. The fact
that all of these women got together to do this
song is huge. Regardless of how you feel about this song,
that collaboration was insane, and so for this to kind

(10:16):
of be a culmination of that collaboration, I am super
stoked to see what comes after this.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And this was not so think it's just go ahead,
go ahead, run.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I was just just think it's also a great way
to kind of like a bit of a passing of
the torch kind of moment. For the longest time, it
feels like Amy Lee has kind of been like seen
as like the girl of metal, if that makes sense.
I don't know I could phrase that a little bit better,
but like again, like it's just kind of great that
she is like collaborating with like younger artists really and
kind of like showing that, like you know that this

(10:45):
is still a space for women.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
There's a do hot topic Queen. That is correct, a
do hot top of queen, so more like queens, but yeah,
whatever Queen for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes of in essence, and Amy Lee, I think she's
like the mother the figure we kind of talked about
like mother maid and crone thing. I am not gonna
call amily a crone, but as far as like metal
and strong female personas Amy Lee was always that for me,
because I mean they got their start in two thousand
and three, so it's I mean, it's a pretty long

(11:16):
time that she's kind of been dominating the scene.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
And I'd also want to say, like these three getting
together when they did that, and this tour now being
a product of them getting together, that was not the
industry and labeled saying hey, you three d to play
along with each other, meet up and make something for us. No,
they wanted to, they liked each other, they wanted to
be friends, and they got together. You know how rare
that is. That's a big deal, and for it to

(11:41):
do I should say this, how rare it is and
how big of a scope this was for three groups
and three names like this to do it all. So well, yeah,
it's one thing if a bunch of metalcore bands like
all get together that tour with each other for twenty
years straight and they already do it anyway, these are
three names that had played side by side with each other,

(12:02):
knew each other, and said why don't we just you know,
beat besties and go to Nashville and record something that was.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
The exact I really like, yeah, I really like that
side of it too, because forgive me if you guys
don't see it this way, but me being a woman. No,
But like women in the metal space are always treated differently,
not necessarily by the bands or the fans, just by
the system itself. And it's like, oh, well, you're a
female fronted band, like you don't call male fronted bands

(12:29):
male fronted bands, and so it's like they're always kind
of singled out and they're always often subtly pinned against
each other. This was like smashing that and I love that,
my favorite thing.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'll see this like Alex and Rowan, you could attest
it this as well. A lot of people will see
a female fronted band as a gimmick, like, oh, they
have a lady in the band. That's a gimmick right there,
that's it. They don't see it as oh, it's an
actual band.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, so it happens a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It does. I don't know. It's hard to say how
successful would this be. I hope. I don't know if
every day tour day's gonna sell. Considering the cost of
everything and no one can afford tickets. However, people will
save up and buy this. People will try to do things.
I could see this one selling out a lot of
tour dates.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
I can secause it is too oh sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
No no, no.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I was gonna say, since it's going on sale this
Friday to the public, because it is so far out Friday,
plan to save up to get these tickets, Like this
is one of those tours I would not want to miss.
So I'm definitely gonna be, you know, having a couple
of ramens here and there to try and save up
to get tickets to this one, cause damn, this is.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Like if there was a tour worth saving up for,
this is that tour?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
True? Absolutely, And also I will say this too, if
it's far enough ahead where you can budget and plan appropriately,
if you and up plus what are trying to go
too decent tickets. I'm not talking front barricade, VIP experience.
I'm talking just two decent tickets you could probably scrounge
up an if you really wanted to.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, I feel like also for most people, I feel
like saving up two hundred bucks across like a couple
of months, I feel like that's not the worst situation.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
It's at least in my opinion, and I know a
lot of people have bigger cost of living, they have kids,
they have loved ones, they have animals they have to feed.
I get that, but if this tour is for you,
it might be worth saving up money because I'm willing
to bet they're gonna have a lot of surprises at
a lot of these shows as well, like Aba Lee
coming out to perform with spirit Box or Poppy and
vice versa every night, and you would want to see that.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, absolutely, I am positive that we're gonna have like
some shows where it's like they're not going to say
anything until the actual show, but I would I'm willing
to bet money that one of these acts are gonna
come out during one of the shows, whether it's the
spirit Box Eminiscence Tour in the US or the Poppy
Evans's tour in the UK, Like we're gonna see like

(14:55):
court Nee or Poppy come up on stage and they're
gonna sing end of You or just sing like together
in general.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, and then she hope you they will and Yeah,
they're going to southern California, so we know one person's
gonna try to be there and probably sneak on the bus.
So get us those interviews if you can.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, I mean like, it's probably gonna be like a
It's probably gonna be like a Kate Fear type situation.
If I had to guess, Alex, I would start training
those arms. Make sure you you're well prepared.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I gonna say it's more like a boy as a
Boys from Now situation from Bob's Burgers, where she sneaks
on the bus in the dirty laundry, it just hides
in the hamper like you wouldn't try that, Like you
wouldn't try not to hide in Amy Lee or courtneyl
plant for Poppy's laundry.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm gonna be super honest with both of you. The
fact that you guys come up with so makes me.
It concerns me that you've thought of this for your
favorite artists. I've never thought, oh, I would love to judge.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I didn't think of it for my favorite artist. It's
because of Bob's Burgers, to be fair.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
So no thank you years.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
So let us know. The comments if you are gonna
get tickets would show you're gonna go to what you're
hoping to see, all the things like that. So there's
a lot of good stuff coming on this one. I
hope everything plays out the way it's supposed to. Cards
subject to change, date, subject to change. Always keep that
in mind for these big tours that gets posted like

(16:20):
months in advance. I hope it all plays out. We've
all been cursed steak bitten by tours getting canceled now
that we've lived long enough to see that happen on
a global scale, So here's hoping awesome things are gonna happen.
That's our good news. We wanted to start off with
good news. Isn't that nice? Did we did it? Thank
you guys so much. Please keep hitting the like button.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
It all goes downhill from here.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Not yet, not yet. One thing I want to say.
It's not so much downhill, but a little tribute. Happy
birthday one Ozzy Osborne, who would have been a seventy seven.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh yes, happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Happy birthday, Yeah Ozzie above screaming around and other rock
and metal legends in heaven, just screaming his butt off,
laughing hysterically. Ha ha. That's that's how I am.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I just imagine he's going like drink for drink with Lemmy. Honestly,
that's what I like to think.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Maybe and it won't hurt us. It won't hurt his
little livery kidneys.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
So you know what, Yeah, I like to think that
in heaven you you can drink and do drugs as
much you want. And just like, no, negative, I don't
think they're.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Gonna have meth up in heaven. I'm pretty sure. I
feel like you know, I feel pretty confidence in saying
something like that. Pretty sure they're not gonna have the bathtub.
There's no bathtob death station, you know, in a burnt
out wood tool shed in heaven. Okay, I come from
the Midwest probably no, no, no, I come from the Midwest.

(17:47):
I assure you, nothing like that looks like Heaven. I
just I have to believe that.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Okay, is it like a rule if you live in
the Midwest, you know what heaven's like.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
You know what meth is like. And I'm saying that's
why it's not. I assure you.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well, we've all watched Breaking Bad, right we all?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Oh if that's the tip, Oh you wish meth laughs
were that clean? Uh ah? You witch?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
What happened to this conversation?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I know?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Now?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Okay, let's go back. One final good thing about eviedescence.
I almost forgot to mention it if you want to
see Evinescence live, guess what Evidescence will be performing at
the Game Awards.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm so excited to announce that we will be performing
Afterlife from Netflix Devil May Cry at the Game Awards
this year on December eleventh.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
That's Sick, December eleventh performing Afterlife from Devil May Cry,
the song they made specifically for the game. So one
good thing is gonna happen at the Game Awards at
actual performance from Nevidessence. That's pretty cool. I like it that.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's super cool.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yes, that's what That's the type of stuff we'd bean
more of. The Game Awards are always been a controversy.
This is something good, okay, something really good, So we
now go to something not so good. I don't even
know how to segue into this. I wanted Alex to
talk about a little this a little bit because once,
she's the one that brought the store to our attention. Today,
two she's the least anger biased because Rowan and myself

(19:06):
are photographers, and I don't know how we can get
through this one. I have asked Roal to take a story.
In a little bit, Alex, I'm going to try to
refrain as much as I can, but I do have
some show and tell. Can you tell a little bit
about Ross Helfen and why he is now just torpedoed

(19:27):
his name and that is actually a good way to
describe it.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, it's a super mega bummer. So he's like one
of the biggest rock photographers or music photographers in the world.
I mean he's shot ever, He's shot so many people.
He was one of Ozzie's like favorite photographers. They did
a lot of work together. He was huge, he still
is huge. I mean, he's getting ready to launch a
Panteric coffee table book.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
The worst timing it got announced today, Timing today it
got announced, of all days.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
It just got announced that he's been following Pantera around.
He's got like the behind the curtain viewpoint and it's
like this extensive coffee table book of Pantera. So Ross
halfin he basically stole pictures of Leonard Skinnard, tried to
sell them and pass them off as his own, and
he signed them and everything. Come to find out he

(20:21):
did not take these photos.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
So that's a big no no.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
That's not only a big no no. This lawsuit went
on for over a year, that's how long this has
been going on. We're gonna try to give the CRP
notes about mister Halfan of what this whole situation was.
But for over a year he has been dodging court
dates and lawsuits, summons, actual court summons he didn't show

(20:46):
up for. Well, it was recently after the most recent
no show that Justter's are saying, you know what, screw it.
You're paid sixty thousand dollars that includes core cases and
lawyer fees and stuff because you stole someone other's photos,
took claim them as your own, signed them yourself, and
sold them for a lot of money. Because you've done

(21:08):
that with your other photos that thanks the question and Rowan,
you could probably accompany this on this too. How do
we know those other photos that you sell are also yours?

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Your credibility is so gone this point now every photo
you've probably taken is going to be under scrutiny, like
no one.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
For take it anymore. So if you guys are watching
my screen right now, I have his website up and
guess what we're looking at? Photos of Cliff Burton in
nineteen eighty five. How do we know he took it?
Photos of Jimmy Page and Guns N' Roses in nineteen
eighty seven. How do we know he took it Ozzie's

(21:48):
hand with a close up for five hundred and twenty
euros that's how much he's selling that for. Well did
he take it? That's what we have to ask every
single time. Now, he did an Iron Maiden shoot with
two minutes to midnight, like for the actual music video,
and during that shoot five hundred twenty dollars or euros.
Excuse me, Everyone has the same question, Now, how do

(22:12):
you prove it?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
When do we know?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Like, there's ways to prove it now, but how do
we know what you're selling is yours?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well in pre internet, how can you prove that?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Absolutely, because he's been doing this since the eighties consistently,
and like when I said he was one of the
biggest music music photographers of all time. We can see
right here Cliff Burtons and Roses, like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Freddy Mercury of Queen five hundred twenty euros from nineteen
seventy seven in earl's courts. If he didn't take that
photo and he's selling that, there might be a murder
charge against him. Because someone might try to kill them.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Say, It's just like, honestly, I'm glad that this all
came out on the day of his photo book coming out,
because I now like to think he is going to
get his come up ins where the photobook is gonna bomb.
No one's gonna bum I would I'm going to be
stuck in his house. He's gonna be stuck in his
house surrounded by unsold copies with a tainted legacy because garage.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, no, you're right, You're totally right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, you committed the worst sin you can as an artist.
You stole someone else's work and tried to pass it
off as your own. That is like, I just hate
that on so many levels, and I'm glad I'll be
happy if this ruins him. See I bet that might
not harsh, but like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Someone just said that's like AI but worse honestly kind
of because with AI, you know it's slop and you're not,
and you know where it came from. This is someone
taking someone else's work selling it for big bucks is
your own.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
And that was someone who potentially like potentially stole people's
work for decades and got famous and like off of
it again, just as we've been saying, everything can now
be put under scrutiny.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I was thinking the same thing on the AI train,
because we know AI and all these models train off
of other people's work. So all of this artwork and
all of this photography and all of this just art
across all genres has been just shoved into the machine.
And it's like, Okay, make me a photo that looks
like Ross Halfen. Okay, that's what this still feels like.

(24:17):
Is because you're taking somebody else's and trying to pass
it off as your own. It is the AI thing
is I get where that person's coming from, because I
was kind of thinking the same thing, like gross.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
And also like just like you can train AI to
like make an image based off a Sony or a
Nikon camera, this lends this aperture. You can actually say
a realistic photo that way taken by Ross Helfett, and
then you have an image of Levy or Amy Weinhause,
dead celebrities and musicians that they can't stand by it either,

(24:48):
like they can't vouch for it because they're passed on.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
That's what I'm saying, we don't know now.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
So go ahead. Good.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
If anyone has ever played Persona five, there is one
of the enemy. Like one of the main antagonists of
the game literally had this plot. He was an artist
who stole from like other artists, passed off as his own,
got rich and famous, and like it's like a whole
thing where you have to take him down. It's that
exact plot. I'm not even joking.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I'm laughing at someone of the comment he went full
Milli Vanilly. Yes, he's the photographer Milli Vanilly. That is correct,
and that sucks. I'm also saying, like, this story is
less than twenty four hours old now that we know
about it again, same day as the Panteric book announcement.
That's rough. Sorry, publisher, you got screwed out of that.
I'd sue if I was the publisher of that book. Oops,

(25:41):
but we're gonna have he has to make a statement.
You can't know show that many court cases just because whatever.
I don't care. But first of all, boy, is that
gonna set a precedent. But now every single person you
sa sorry, every single person you sell sold a photo to,
what's to stop them from suing the crap out of you?
Now there's precedent that you admitted to.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Can I say too, like, like, did you think it
was gonna work out for you if you just didn't
go to court? That I almost hear that that almost
never works out for anyone.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
They can have the case without you if you keep
doing that, and that makes it.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
They can have the case without you, and and it
puts you in and it gives you, it puts you
in a bad light in the eyes of the court. Yes,
it's like, oh, he's been dodging court cases. You know what,
if he's not guilty, why is he not listening to
our summons? Why is he not taking this seriously?

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I was thinking the same thing, like, dude hasn't even responded,
he's not even coming out and oh yeah I didn't
do that, Oh yeah I did. He's just straight ignoring everything.
That's not a way to make this good.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
This is not That's not how you do it. You
can't just be if you can't ignore it, you can't
just ignore it and hope it goes away. That's not
how courts work.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Also, he work. Also he admitted to his lawyer that
everything that was accused of him and claimed was true.
But he's still didn't show up for court cases in
early twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five, or in
twenty twenty five, as well as the most recent November
twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. To settle the amounts well,

(27:10):
Wagner was granted a default judgment for compensate, compensatory damages,
punitive damages, attorney's fees, totaling sixty one thousan two hundred
and forty one dollars. I hope it was worth it.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, the legacy, no one is ever going to want
to take you. Seriously, I can't imagine anyone will want
to work with him after this.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
See, he has so many connection dollars, and he has
all the connections. I'm sure not everyone's gonna hear this story,
but enough people will and like ugh, because I'm not
kidding when I say this. A lot of photographers looked
up to this guy's work a lot.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, not dude.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
It's like, uh, like I worked.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
For one of his peers. He would talk about him,
and it's just like, again, it sucked.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
So he's captured some of the most memorable moments in
rock history. We think absolutely, we think, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Have to ask that now. We have to ask that
every time. Oh yeah, but you said, like again like
for a lot of the ones that for musicians that
have passed on too, Like that's even more insane. And
now you think about it's like, well, did he actually
take it or did he just sneak in front of
another photographer and a photo pit and take it and
then claim that one is his before anyone else? Could

(28:28):
it just.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Has like his signature. There should be like a little
question mark at the end for something. Yeah, Ross health.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
They're gonna be a graffiti artists going like with a sharpie. Yeah.
We do not promote unless they deserve it. Keep that
in mind, folks. Message from the pile.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
I feel like this would be deserved.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Moving on to another awful story, This one includes a I.
This is what Rowan brought to us literally, oh sixty
seconds after the news dropped about this Ross halfin photographer garbage,
Rowan dropped combo. Yeah, it was an intense two minute
combo of news at Flurry this afternoon. Architects have not

(29:17):
had a good time, but the last week or two
they really have not. Rowan, what's wrong with architects right now?

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well, remember how last week we were talking about how
AI can probably just be used to just replicate like
actual artists music and it might be passed off as
its own music. Apparely someone wanted to test that theory,
so on Architects actual Spotify was a new song called

(29:47):
Ashes of the Kingdom, and on this song, or on
the cover of the song, we're talking about AI art
and potentially using like people's likeness. There was. It was
just this cover of these four people who looked like
the band, and you play the song and you find
out it doesn't sound anything like Architects. The instruments don't,
it doesn't sound like Sam Carter singing. It's just like,

(30:08):
what the hell is this? It turns out it's completely
made by AI and this was not made by the
band to make like a quick buck or something like that.
This was someone working outside the band who posted it
and passed it off as an architect song, and somehow
it got through through Spotify. Thankfully, it's been taken down now.

(30:31):
You can't really find it anymore. I can't really find
anything on YouTube or Apple Music or anything like that.
On the only video I know of this song still
existing is Oriyan Reacts Great Channel. By the way, I
listened to it, and it's just like, Wow, this sucks.
And if this I'm worried about this setting like a precedent,

(30:52):
if other people are gonna try and pull this BS
and it's just like it pisses me off. We need to, like,
I know, AI is probably gonna be too big to
keep from happening at this point, but we got to start,
Like I feel like we got to start like thinking
like regulations or something like that or something where like
this cannot slide because this is like disgusting really and

(31:13):
this is not fair. And Architects they're a great band.
I love their new album this year, and like this,
this whole thing just sucks.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I hate it, so, Alex said Rowan. Remember last week,
how we knew Suno was like pretty much absolved of
all their usage of bands, and going forward they would
allow people to use aout of remix music and Spotify's
like okay, let's do that. One week later. Yeah, And
I never would have thought of that, of this possibility

(31:41):
of someone making an AI song and sneaking it onto
a band's page as the band. That what I never
thought of before. But it works.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's important. It somehow got through I feel like, Okay, granted,
I don't know how all of it works, you know,
I don't know how it goes with but you feel
like I feel like there had to be like some
like communication between Spotify and labels where it's like, oh, hey, Architecture,
release a new song. I don't know what the hell
you're talking about. We didn't release anything.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
It has to be somewhere and approved if it's like that.
But boy, is that another case for bands to take
their music off Spotify. I'm not saying all streaming. I'm
saying Spotify, take it off.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, it did get taken off, thankfully.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I mean all that like bands like King Gizzard and
all these other bands taking their albums and music Spotify. Yeah,
take it off Spotify. You cannot trust it anymore. Stuff
like this happens yep. So yeah, like, okay, let's let's
hit close to home. If someone did that with Tool
or Evanescence, you know, like people would be like, that's

(32:45):
too big of a band, and we'll do that. Why not?
Why wouldn't they like how we used it was one
week and everyone called it out as garbage just as
soon as they heard it. Give it a few more months,
you know, and like Aizuno is gonna learn. Yeah, go
with Alex.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Look at what we said about AIM. Remember when we
first started this podcast and we were looking at AI
images with like ten fingers on one hand, and oh
yeah that's why that's a look at how fast and
how far that's come. Yep, it's not gonna get any
better with anything else. The AI is learning too quick
and it's getting too smart. It's gonna be super hard

(33:22):
to tell the difference. Yeah, you're not gonna hear the soul,
which I am a firm believer like AI has no soul.
The musicians put that into it, but it's gonna become
harder and harder to tell the difference. Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Also chat Steve's great job, like they're saying title is
so much better. I'm using YouTube music because I pay
for YouTube and stuff like that. Yeah, there are so
many more alternatives where this won't happen.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
We're just listens to records like by vinyls By Yeah,
like there's no problem with those either physical CAUs you
know what you're getting.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, you know, it's just like the Architects is not
gonna be able to sell a CD with an AI
slop on it.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
We need regulations, we need something to calm that, like
this being a regular thing, because like to your guys' point,
I feel like as long as AI gets for sophisticated,
it's gonna be less it's gonna be less obvious that
this was AI. You know, it's gonna get better. And
it's just like a thing is like that. That's something
that's something that terrifies me. I don't know how I

(34:18):
can how I can trust anything in the music industry
at that point.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
You couldn't coustry in the first place. And I have this.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
At least I could have some hope and you know, yeah, yeah,
at least I could like hope for a world where
artists today still have a chance.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah. So someone said the Architect song still got through
onto you YouTube. Yeah, I could see other people uploaded
it so that we can see.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
What find YouTube, like really looked it up by title.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, but the thing is it could still be there,
like if it's different titled or someone just copied it.
Like again, like use obs or a different screen like
screen recorder or recorder on your software or uploaded to
YouTube on your own channel, your set, you know, because
there's not gonna be like a claim on it.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Just oh yeah, sure, I mean, like no one do
we even know? Like that's like the thing. Like people
in the chat are also saying, oh architecture, sup, I
don't know how they're gonna find out who to they'd have.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
To find out who the tough part they could go
after sudo I don't care because I can't imagine architects
opted into something like that.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Oh no, no, this would kill a band's credibility.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So when someone brought up this drives me crazy. Somebody
brought up Johnny Hawkins, Oh God, against Oki.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
First of all the last few years, by the way, yes.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yes, yes, yes to my point, the fact that not
every musician is against this, Yes Johnny Hawkins is a
little bit of an outlier, but yes, that is insane,
because I guarantee there are more who are like, oh yeah,
it's totally fine. Oh yeah, I don't mind. It just
helps I didn't have to sing, you know, stupid crap.
There are gonna be more of these artists coming out.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
And they may not be laking, and they might not
be vocal about it, like Johnny Hawkins, who's vocal about
a lot of weird stuff now, but they might be
doing it anyway, and that sucks.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I yes, that's another facet of this being terrifying. Not
only can we as the fans not tell, but if
artists start leaning into this and just it's gonna be
like those situations where we learn some of our favorite
artists are awful, it's gonna be another level of that.
And it's like, damn it, I'm.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Glad you're legitimate artists start going to a point where
it's like, oh, okay, I already proved myself. I already
have like the I already have the backing to do it.
So I'm just gonna use AI to make my new
album and you know, no one will be able to
tell a difference, and I'll be able to tour it,
I'll be able to make money off of it.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I'll learn the AI songs. I'll learn the AI songs
before I go on tour. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, it's like all r I could just ask the
AI okay, yeah, give me like give me the tas
for this or whatever.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yep, exactly. And also, I'm glad you brought that name
up to as someone who was a big Nothing More
fan in the twenty tens Man boy, has that just
gone a crap crap crap crap crap over the last
few years.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
When they first came out, like.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
The stories we tell ourselves, they had so much good stuff. Man,
they bit down on the red pill and then they
said a hi's my new daddy. And then he got
so drunk he ran over his girlfriend. He didn't even
know he ran over her. And then she beat the
crap out him while they were drunk, and there was
a big all this other stuff and all of this
I'm saying is real, and then it just keeps going
on with more music shenanigans too.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I forgot about the car thing.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Oh yeah, I remember covering that one, like the statement
about it, like oh no, yeah, yeah, Oh. Someone just
said I could see Ronny and Megadeath being into ai
AI Mega Death. Oh oh, hello me meet the AI
met the wrong riff to it also, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Be like hello me meet the real me? Which one
of me is the real me? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
It just loops on that intro. That's it. That's the song.
H Well, I don't know how else to put a
bit on this again. I'm glad Architects made a big,
fatty statement saying screw AI, screw all this. I hope
they say screw Spotify soon. They have more reason than
a lot of band's out there now.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
They want a lot of bands, Yeah, a lot of bands,
because if there's a mass exodus from Spotify, they can't
continue to treat artists like crap because there's no artists
left ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
And also, if the title pays two to three times
more per streame to all the artists, that's way more
than Spotify. Even Amazon and Apple pay well over twice
as much. So you have alternatives, get rid of Spotify.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Actually, Spotify is unfortunately Spotify is the popular one. I
mean like I'm already starting to see people post their
Spotify raps, which I mean like, oh, is this really
worth it? It's like, I don't give a shit when
you listen to this year, you know, good for you.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Anything. I it sucks. This really just hit me. It
sucks that we have to have weekly AI coverage in
the music industry and genres we love now that's exactly
what this is. By the way, weekly AI coverage.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's gonna get worse.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, it does make me wonder what's next, because again,
this was one I never would have thought of like
sneaking it onto another band's thing, even as if it
was a prank or a parody song, I at least
would have understood it a little more.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Like it's just how quick right after a week? Yeah,
and again it's just like this somehow got through. I
feel again. I know I just said it, But like
with the bigger bands, you would think there would be
more vetting, but.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
There's not.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
And now, okay, now I just don't know what's stopping
younger artists.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I had one of my awful dark business thoughts. Okay,
So Spotify loves Ai. They've been entrenched with it for
the last couple of years now, just investing in it
more and more, and now they're with the pseudo stuff. Well,
if architects or their label goes, what the heck happened?
How did you guys let this get through? All they
have to say is it's not any of our faults.
AI did it. AI let it through. You can't get

(40:25):
mad at us, so no one has to take the blame.
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, I've honestly thought about that a lot, like how
many models are they putting together to scapegoat? Well? I
didn't sign off. It pumped that.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, it's our bot. Sorry, it's not my fault though
it's not. Yeah, huh okay. We had to move on
because we could spend another ten minutes on this just
co miserating, and we do have other things we need
to talk about. I'm sure we'll have more AI coverage
next week. Unfortunately, we're gonna talk about up and cute
and wholesome now very quickly. PETA is not always known

(41:04):
for their cute and wholesome tactics on treated people for
the ethical treatment of animals. Sometimes they're extremely aggressive. This
one feels a little more wholesome. There's an elephant that
is being abused in circus life, and that does happen,
you know what. They've asked Alison Chains to temporarily change
their name to Betty in Jane's I love.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Where they're coming from on this. The heart is there.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I agree, like, I agree one time.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, I can see Peter on the side.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah. Like with this one, I applaud PETA doing a
non confrontational, non insane approach for something like this. I'm
a big ASPCA fan. Ptera not so much, but at
least this one. It's a good attempt. It's a good
little thing they could try to get attention for at
least well and.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
The fact that so, I mean, we can say what
they're doing here. So they're trying to to tell asking
Alison Chains to change their name to Betty and Chains
to bring awareness to Betty, a fifty six year old
disabled elephant who's been forced to perform in circuses. She's
performed hundreds of circus shows year over year. So they're like, hey,

(42:16):
Alis in Chains, would you be willing to call yourselves
Betty in Chains to let people know about this poor
elephant and what she's going through? Like that comes from
a really good, yew th place in somebody's heart.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, Like I wanted to point this out. This is
the first like heartwarm and good peda story I've heard
in a while to say that, I think it was.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
The first good story I've heard ever.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know, again, wife and I are a SPCA fans
big time. We are all for ethical treatment of animals.
PETA's tactics get a little tense. You know what, if
they want to have a Betty and if Alison Chains
wanted to sell at least a Betty and Chain's merch
design and give all profits something like that. Even I'd
be fine with that. I think that's a smarter way
to go about it than total brand change to Betty

(42:59):
and change.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
You know totally some sort of one off like I
don't know. I know it's just because there. Yeah, their
name is Alison Chains, which is why I know they
went after Alison Chans for this. But the fact I
wonder what Alison Chains is gonna do, if anything, But
I love that this is another way for us to
bring attention to something people are aware.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
People are aware of this now. Also, no matter what
Alison Jenns does, people are aware of Betty. So that's
also a good tactically. Yeah, so that's good. See, we
have heartwarming good stuff on the podcast that rocks. See
all right. Now, of some bad news, Australia is not
getting a festival Parkway Drives Parkways Festival was canceled ahead

(43:41):
of twenty twenty six Australian debut. It sucks. It does
suck because this was the first Australian edition of Parkways Festival.
Parkway Drives have been trying to do so much more
for Australia as they always have. They've done so many
cool things, the City Opera, House Show, the Black Tie Affair,
all the other things they do. The Australian debut of

(44:02):
the tour was to feature Parkway Drive, The Ambity Affliction
also Australia, North Lane I believe is also Australia, Alpha
Wolf I don't know, and Story of the Year from
Saint Louis, Missouri. I will give them credit because that's
a hometown. Well, they made the big statement and it sucks.
We're devastating to confirm the Parkway's Festival Australian toury will
not go ahead. The cancelation is doing a combination of

(44:24):
challenges and ultimately the no longer is no longer the
numbers no longer stack up with a heavy heart. We've
had to make a difficult decision. We've tried everything. We're gutted.
People will get a refunds. There's no way they can
make this run because it was going to be way
too expensive to run. They would have run at a loss.
That's not saying tickets weren't selling, but to run that
big of a festival and the production for five bands,

(44:46):
the tickets were too expensive compared to something like Good
Things Fest, which is a bigger festival for cheaper. They
had high hopes and high anticipation and expectations. They could
not make it run in the end, and it sucks
for Australia and parkway drive fans. Yep, So we will
continue our coverage of twenty festivals not happening. That sucks too,

(45:09):
at least at least I understand. This is not through
skeezy stuff like this. This is just because economy sucks
worldwide right now. No one can afford anything and if
people can't buy concert tickets or anything like this, there's
no way these concerts can run, especially the big production
day festivals.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
So does Australia in general get a lot of metal festivals?
Do any of them come like that.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Where I mean they get not fest? They get their
not fest every year. They get not Fest in the
summer because they have all their festivals and like December
through March when it's not scolding hot. But yeah, they
have good things fest in the first one, that's the
one they have like a lot of good bands going through.
That's soon they have not Fest. They have other stuff too,
So all right, I will say this. We have an

(45:53):
Australian there that also can probably plug in all the
festivals that happened at the Heavy Stuff, so it does
happen speaking heavy. That's the best segue I got for
this one. We talked about Brian from I Prevail leaving
I Prevail what we thought was amicable, and then we
learned it may not have been as amical as we thought. Well,

(46:14):
he debuted his new project, scatter Brain. Good name by
the way for a new band or new group, whatever
if it's a project. But he with the same I
Prevail round as they did when they Got Big, covered
another Taylor Swift song. He covered look What You Made
Me Do, which was a direct choice of Look What
You Made Me Do cover another Tailor's Swift song. Full

(46:35):
music video dropped a couple days ago. Alex and Rowan
have both at least seen or heard its. Thoughts Friends,
Alex Rowan, what did you think of Scatterbrain?

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Okay, I gotta be honest. I sympathized with Brian, I
really do, and I think it's just okay, But I
gotta be honest. Overall, objectively, I was underwhelmed by the song.
It's not bad, it's just not crazy memorable. I'm not
a big tailor Swift fan, and I don't really listen
to the originals. I mean, that's part of it too.
I gotta be honest too. When I first heard he

(47:06):
was doing a Taylor Swift cover, I was like thinking, like, oh,
so you just copy me in your old band. It's
it's a little bit lame.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
That was just my initial thoughts.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Alex, why another Taylor Swift song? Come on? Come on?
That was a choice, and I think it was the
wrong choice.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
The video.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I was not a fan all of the AI used
in the video. I really did not like.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Okay on yes, yes, it's not even It's like on
screen right now, it doesn't even look like an AI bus.
That looks like crappy clip art from Microsoft Word in
the nineties, like the bus would put on a Word document.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
That's that's like a it's like a photoshopped background. We
have a filter.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yes, it is so bad.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I watched the video and I'm like, really, Bryan, come on,
AI video like this, this is what you come out with,
and then look what you made me do. I had
high hopes this could have been a banger.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
No, it could have been something. It could have been something.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Because he was doing all these like promos on Instagram.
Every time I opened it up, he was like doing
like another like little teaser or something, and it's just
like again, it's it's not the worst thing. Ever, I
don't have enough to judge Brian Solo's work. I don't
have enough to judge scatter Brain. This is just like
a very mediocre song with kind of a with a

(48:18):
gimmick that at least with Brian and iberbail is. It's
a little bit lame that he's redoing it. I can
understand it's more. You can say it's more of a statement,
but like that's how it came across to me as
the listener.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, it felt me a statement, Yeah, Alex, Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I do feel like it was a statement. He was
definitely like, well, hmm, I think he did it wrong.
I'm gonna be super honest and just say that he
did it wrong. He could have done the same song,
he could have had the same theme, he could have
done it differently. I think the way he the way
this played out was not very strong.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Right now, on screen, you see the crowd the band
is playing in front of, which is Ai. That is Ai,
that is chat GPT churning out MP four in five
minutes of a band playing in front of a crowd.
And to reiterate your points, I feel like this was
a tactic, and the tactic was not the best foot
forward to prove you can do your own thing and

(49:15):
make your own stuff. You covered a song from an
artist way bigger than you, because that's what happened last
time used AI for your music video. You didn't write
your own song, you didn't make your own video. What
do we have to look forward to on the new
venture of Scatterbrain that we haven't seen because it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I can't judge Scatterbrain yet because.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, we haven't, right, we need to hear something that's
actually Scatterbrain. Brian doing his own song or even just
playing his own video like him performing, He did not
have to do this. He could have just been a yeah,
a live video, that's it. I was mad.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I feel like maybe if I had just heard the
song would not have been as.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
The same, because again, the song is a very generic
live cover. That's how I see it, Like, Hey, let's
get together at Warped tour play this live cover that's
fun or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, yeah, at least even when I when I first
heard that he was doing a Taylor Swift car, I
think one of you guys post in the group chat,
like even before I even listened to it, when I
just heard, oh, Brian released at Taylor Swift cover as
his debut solo work, I'm like, again, really, and it's
just it's just because of I prevail, because that's who

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got them bait.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
It was, you know, it just feels like, yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Feels like he's hoping to get that lightning in a
bottle twice.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
And that it read to me, yeah, and that's it
just feels weird. I want the best for this guy
because he is a talented musician, but he showcased so
little of his talents and in the.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Execution exactly, we have no idea what he's capable of
because this was not any of that man.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Just when I thought we were done with AI, I like,
folks at home, if you're listening on the pods, check
it out on YouTube. Just the video or this podcast
on screen right now. That AI festival crowd. It is.
I don't even know how else to describe it besides
AI arms just waving around like waggy and flatbabled inflatable
tube men with no rhythm. There's extra arms sticking out

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from no bodies. They're just arms, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I actually laughed when I saw that. And here's the thing.
This might come across as mean, But if he's willing
to do this to hopefully get more attention, I gotta
be honest. I'm not really looking forward to what he
has anymore. I don't know. It's just like it left
a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
It may be more cute, it may be more confused,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Maybe just like more hesitant.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
The choices made me made, the choices made here or
not made properly.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
And he didn't need to. He had a label and
people that could help him make a video cheap enough
that he didn't have to fly and stand around in
front of a green screen or cameras zoom around him
to do all this.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Do you think he saw the final project of like,
oh no, I have to go with this now.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Some people are like, oh, that looks so good. It
kind of tens of thousands of people like, no, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
It looks like it's front of cadaver arms. That's what
it kind of looks like right now, sir.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
And honestly, him trying to even this is just this
is purely this is me just nipicking a little bittle.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Go ahead, go I just got to the eagle flying overhead. Sorry,
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
It's a little bit nitpicking, but it's like the music
video is him like performing for like tens of thousands
of people, and it's just like, dude, no one's even
heard a note of your solo stuff before even this
even dropped.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
It's like, come on, yeah, yeah, someone said he could
have just covered a Christmas song and it probably would
have been better. Yes, even a Christmas cover would be better. Yeah,
at least that would have been something. Okay, we gotta
move on to this too, because again, all right, you
know what, no one more time the I'm zooming in

(53:03):
the bus on screen? Right, jeez man, that is some
nineteen ninety seven like like old windows CGI, like a
screen saver of a bus and it just plays the
bus sound effect.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
That was like that was a state of the art
tech in the early nineties when CGA was first starting.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Oh if this came out nineteen ninety five, yeah, people
would have lost their minds. That's fine, yeah, thirty years later,
not so much. All right, we're gonna talk about some
good stuff now. We've decided as a host of the
podcast That Rocked that every week for December, because albums
and tours are kind of quiets in a cupcoming announcements,

(53:45):
we'll go over those if any got announced, but we
want to talk about some of our favorite albums of
twenty twenty five. I make my own video, but I
want Alex and Rowan to get out their thoughts on
some of their favorite albums as well. So each week,
one of us will go over briefly one of their
favorite albums of TWI So, Alex, would you like to
go first? Here? Gay?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
So, one of my favorite albums from the year was Garbage.
Let All the that We Imagine be the Light. This
follow up to one of my top three favorite Garbage
albums was not quite it obviously didn't knock any of
them out of the top three, but to get a
brand new Garbage album in twenty twenty five was a
huge deal. It dropped in May. It was we had

(54:29):
no idea gonna be the last album they release before
their full final tour throughout North America. So as far
as just significance.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Go.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
This is a very significant album as a huge Garbage fan.
The album itself, like I said, their eighth studio album,
It's not in my top three or anything, but it's
definitely a really good album. So this is one of
my top three for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Very Well said, surely would be prode. Now we go
over to Rowan, Rowan, what was one of your favorite
albums of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
I gotta be honest, it's this Honesty has just like
become a new band on my radar because they are new.
This is their debut album. I'm going with via Nova's hit.
It just so for like over the summer, they were
slowly releasing new singles like pretty much every couple of weeks,
and so my bandmates caught onto it. They showed me.

(55:20):
We all loved it, and we were just kind of
like following the band. Then they shadow dropped the whole
album and it's just like it's such a fun record.
It's so creative. We're talking about how AI is killing
creativity and killing music. This is an album that I
think people kind of like need because it goes in
so many creative directions. It's this fun, jazzy metalcore sound

(55:43):
that I just can't get enough of. It always just
leads you feeling more and more surprised, and it's just
such a fun album to listen to, like the songs
on their own or just as as a whole. I
preordered this thing on vinyl. It's coming in two weeks.
I can't wait for it. I think this is a
band that really needs more and more attention because they
prove themselves with this record. So please just just give

(56:06):
it a listen. Seriously, trust me, you'll thank me.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
It's that good, very good German metal core would be proud.
We now go to my choice, coming out of Santa Cruz,
out of California. One of my favorites of the year
is from scal This is a take on hardcore that's
not full blown hardcore. They have a lot more variety.
What Cat Moss and company have done on Are We
All Angels impress me with how much range they have

(56:29):
and how much like total difference they have in creating
different vibes while still having the hardcore hearts. Tonight, I'm
Afraid and oh Man, not Held Not Heaven. Almost forgot
the song taught because my Brain's fried. Those two songs
wildly different, totally defined SCAL and what they're capable of.
If I had any recommendation for you guys to check
out Scal and what they did this year, it's those

(56:51):
two songs. Tonight I'm Friend, Tonight I'm Afraid, not Held,
not Heaven. They played one of those on Colbert on
Late Night. So just like a band like this to
get on Cold Bear is kind of a big deal nowadays.
It's just just since Colbert's leaving soon or next year
whatever it is, so so many cool things about that.
I recommend SCAL. I hope the world for them. I
know they're touring again big this year. They're going to

(57:12):
Australia and a few other places as well Overseas, So
hope you guys check that out.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
That album is also I also voted that one as
one of my favorite albums of the of the year too.
Then Night I'm Afraid was on constant rotation as soon
as it came out.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Very nice. So oh yeah, a lot of people are
saying like different choices too, So next week we'll have
three more. The following week will be our best and
worst of twenty twenty five. We'll do this as well.
We'll talk about our favorite songs and in two weeks
we'll cover the best and worst of twenty twenty five
in general. Boy, will that be a weird, weird episode
going through a lot, So stay tuned. So that being said,

(57:51):
do we have any albums and tours we want to
talk about? If we don't, that's okay. Is there anything
on the boards for either of you?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Honestly, a lot of UK stuff, a lot of UK tours,
European tours.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
While I pull up Super Chess, you want to do that.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Really quick, I'll just pick a few of them because
there's a lot. Go ahead, So Evan Essence we already
talked about with Spiritbox, Poppy kfle A and Nova Twins.
Don't miss that one Judas Priest just announced a European
tour We've got. I know you're excited about this. Danzig
crooning Elvis.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Goodness, guys. I sent this to one Crash Thompson because
he and I bonded over how awful of some of
his covers. Get like, was like, well, let's get tickets.
So it's it's man, If you go, you're doing a
service to someone who really thinks he's doing something special.
That's what it is. Right now, you are not getting
the miss Yeah, you are not getting the Misfits, not

(58:45):
even close.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You get to ring in the New Year with Danzig
singing Elvis.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
By the way, he's not singing the upbeat Elvis songs
like jail house Rock. No, he's singing the old, cruder
country ones. That's what he does.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
So Wild Turnstile Tsunami and Mike Patten's favorite band, wolf
Mother that booked on Bonaru. That's a funny way to
put that. Mammoth ten years and James and the Cold
Gun announced a North American tour. Voivod Midnight and Cryptosis
announced a UK tour, and The Amity Affliction August Burns

(59:18):
Red announced a North American tour as well.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Very Cool Rowan. Do we have any albums coming out
December fifth five?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
We have some, honestly some decent names. First of all,
we had Norwegian Definitely and Blood Red Throne releasing Slit
Skin badass title. We have we have a legendary punk band,
No Effects releasing ah or ah. I don't know how
you pronounced this. It's an A das h whatever. And

(59:48):
finally it's just because I want to give like a
give a little more attention to like some of the
newer bands. Melodic metal band Hollow Peak is releasing their
debut album, Obsidian Cult Release. I've been listening to some
singles and I really like it. I hope the album's great,
and you know, I would say, give it a listen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Very cool. Thank you guys so much for hanging out
with us. Let's go through some super chests because we
do have a few, and we hit our one superchackle,
so we're adding an extra band to festival rock or
Flop for hitting that one as well. So thank you
guys for the super chats. I don't know what our
like goal is or like our like count is app
but if a heap in the like button, we'll do
one extra round of it. From Ellie Yeat, real bummer
about park Waves. Would have liked to see it go well.

(01:00:29):
Parkway Drive deserve their own festival. All well, at least
Good Things is still going this weekend, Tool Garbage and
Weezer tomorrow. That's Good Things. That's what I talked about.
So headline by Tool, Garbage, Weezer, and a whole lot
of other bands. It's a big variety. When we announced it,
we made fun of it, saying they stole our idea.
So they still did, but that's besides the point. I

(01:00:49):
hope it goes well. From Angela Dick tpr the pretty
Reckless is good all the time and all the time,
the pretty Reckless is good. That's a super chat. Yeah,
how you do super chats? By the way, just praise
your favorite band from chance edits just as shall be
served for architects. They again, they probably should try to

(01:01:09):
file something because that could have jeopardized them way worse.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
So I just gotta figure it, Like who do you assue?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
That's the question, I know, Yeah, Like their lawyers have
got to be setting up something. Yeah, whoever led it
through Spotify? From Elie EAT's Happy Birthday oz Day and
Juliet Beer with Randy Rhodes and one more to hit
the goal And that's just another super chat for that.
So we hit our five. Thank you so much, Thank

(01:01:37):
you Ellie you for getting those extras in to get
the goal. What is our like count at forty four,
so six more likes will do our own. But in
the meantime we're booking some festivals. Alex and Ron, are
you ready. Okay. Each week we book random festivals out
of a folder of over two hundred bands and qualifiers
that I added more to just to see what kind
of random shenanigans we can get. Festival rock or fly.

(01:02:00):
It could be good, Alex, don't do the sarcastic, timid
thumbs up. It could be good, all right, as you
should be. Okay, so you guys can still see my screen. Okay,
let's do this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
It's just at the right right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
It should it should switch over as soon as I
hit it. Okay, do this brand number one?

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Oh well, well, well, Alex, can you see who it is?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
My goodness, I'm going to your festival?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Youat Fest starts off with garbage. Literally, the next three
acts are the trashiest things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Okay, I'm garbage and actual garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Garbage fest with actual garbage after Okay, you know what.
You got four bands, though, you got four more bands
heat Fest. Here we go. Band number two, Bad Religion.
I'm done with that. No issues here. Number three Buck Cherry.
I don't like Shirley Nancy being on the same festival
as butck Cherry, but you know what, I'd still go

(01:03:10):
At this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Point Honestly, Bug Cherry is the one who's gonna have
to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Oh that she could beat all of them up, Let's
be honest. Yeah, number four slash with Miles Kennedy. That's
pretty good. At number five, Ginger, So this is all
over the place for yeat Fest despite Buck Cherry. I'm down.

(01:03:35):
Come on, this is solid okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
But Cherry is gonna be the opener. I'm showing up late.
I'm gonna take my time getting to that venue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I'm gonna I really have to think about this one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I'm just kidding. I'm totally going.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I'm baby stepping into the venue from the parking lot
and taking like parking to the way back, just to
walk a little door.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Yeah, you know, maybe you tailgate a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah, with strangers, just meet up to their tail kid, Hey,
I don't want to go in yet. Can I hang
out with you guys for a little bit? Yeah, I've
seen Yes, especially for Ginger, that's a solid Yes, I'm
going make ship Buck Scherry play first. Yeah, that's an
insult if we told Ginger what they had to play
before Buck Cherry, Uh uh, nope, no way. So we

(01:04:19):
now go on to Angela Fest. Thank you so much,
Angela for the super chat on that one. Angela Fest
bed number one, thirty seconds to Mars. I'm not sure
I'm gonna make it to this one. Oh oh my god,
I'm so glad it wasn't on the last one. Oh
that would have been crap. Oh boy. Number two Dragon Force, Man,

(01:04:45):
that does not match at all, Dragon Force. I deserve that.
Number three Trivia. There's an outlier of these three. Number
four Poppy, come.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
On, it has to be. It has to be with
thirty seconds to Mars.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Number five Rise Against. If the other four were on
any if they had any other bandwidth them, this would
be a slam dunk.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Do I like Trivium and Poppy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Enough Rise against his fun um. Dragon Force is fun.
They do fun stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
There's too much good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
There is also thirty seconds to Mars is the biggest name.
For some reason, they are headlining. I don't they would
have to. We can go get burgers later.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Come on, you know, actually, if they are headlining, will
leave early. We'll beat the traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
And well we say that if everyone leaves at the
same time, we don't beat the traffic. So yes, I
would go. Man, it's close. I've seen it. Okay, I'm
seeing a lot of the exact same responses. By the way,
poor Poppy run Dragon Force uh Letto has the power
to ruin anything. Oh okay, going just getting shots during

(01:06:13):
thirty seconds to bars at the end of the night?
Whoof Okay skipping thirty seconds to bars. I'm gonna say, yes, man,
it's close. We now go to chance Fest number three festivals.
Here we go, chance Fest band number one. We already
had Slash band number one. Bois de Men will be

(01:06:34):
joining the next band to make nineties R and B
style remixes. Yes, I love that this is in there. Okay,
So Boys Demand will be on stage with the next
band and they'll be making R and B remixes of
whatever that band's discography and setlist is. You got it? Okay,
Bois de Man in the style of smashing Pumpkin.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
How does that work? How does that work?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
You make bullet? You make zero and bullet with butterfly
wings all ninety sexy?

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
That's weird, Billy Corgan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Try to get sexy and down with it and boys
to vent on stage for all the ladies.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
How did you get? Really?

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
All of them? Because like they're all four singers, just
all together.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Of today.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Oh they're going to nineteen seventy nine. They're gonna find
a way for my eyes out. Number two. That was that,
this was the first one right for Chance fst okay
number two Green Day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
The style of voice to men, just kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
This is the very nineties. This is a very nineties concert.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Chance Fest really has that. The styles you're wiled up
Number three where the edge ginger that would be Hinder.
Number four, Corey Feldman is that's chance vest is really

(01:08:14):
scraping the barrel for Advance to come to town to
get whoever they can.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I'm not doing this one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And number five a Mona Marth with their Viking ship
Green Day headlines Smashing Pumpkins remixed and boys Demand will
be the direct support. Corey Felbn opens, then Hinder and
then a the Viking Death Medal with a Mona mart.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Yeah, followed by the R and B version of Smashing Pumpkins.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Correct, you've had you got it all correct?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yes, I can't make it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Come up with an excuse. I'm just not interested.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
It would be so cool to see Smashing Pumpkins Green
Day and I'm on a arth yeah, but mmmmm, the
R and B greet them R and B smashing pumpkins.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
These RB smashing pumpkins. Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
That doesn't really feel like my vibe. I don't think
I can make it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Hinder and Corey Feltman don't win you over.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
I'm you know, I was questioning that one. That was almost.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Like, I'm if it was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Billy Corgan trying to dance shirtless and try to serenade
the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
To the nineties moms, like the moms that grew up
listening to the Voice to Bed.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Yeah, it's just like it's like, I think I like
Billy's voice doing no make its top man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I sure hope no AI program is listening and tries
to make that because that is something slop. Yeah, make
it boys de men sing smashing pumpkins, but keep it
as Billy Corgan, Is this a fog horn? Because I
feel like yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's like Green Day

(01:10:15):
is a fantastic headliner. This is a lot to ask for.
A mot of Martha is a blast. They do not
fit here that they don't so yeah, yeah, shirtless Billy
Corgan dancing sounds like a nightmare. Oh he danced too.
He absolutely would try to dance with boys to men like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
He's like on his knees, he's trying to like lean back,
and also he's doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Pose yeah, with his like chest his arms up to
the sky like that's right, and the rain falls down
on stage.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
My god, it's like that's horrifying. I will burn my
eyes out if I do see that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
It would sell, but not well enough to make it
worth it so and what costs. Thank you guys so
much for the super chats. Thank you guys so much
for hand out with us rush Shenanigans of our good
and bad news this week. It was a lot to
get through. I know we're over time. Thank you guys
for hanging us out with us. Anyway, as I stopped
sharing my screen where the discord go, there we go.

(01:11:14):
Thank you all so much. You will have a video
on the channel and tomorrow about the top five new
or five not top five five but the best new
bats check out for twenty twenty five. We're checking out tomorrow, Alex,
you have anything you'd like to bring up?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
No, I'm good, Thank you, Rowan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
How about you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I actually have a big announcement for everyone. I didn't
include it in the upcoming albums and releases because it's
not on Friday but a week from yesterday. So next Tuesday,
my own band is releasing our debut single and I'm
super excited about it. The pre the pre ad link

(01:11:54):
is now up on the chat perfect Honestly, we're really
excited about it. My band and I are really proud
of it. If if my opinion has brought you guys
like joy and all this stuff, it's just like listening
to me talk about like rock and metal, has it's
been fun for you? I ask you please just like
give a us and and just you know, give us

(01:12:16):
your thoughts. We we would love to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Okay, you can be sincere about it, Steve's click the
link of the chat and click the link of the
description and just check it out. Don't A's like you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
I'm trying not to be so much of a shill.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Come on, That's fine, I don't care. Just do it,
you know you can, doesn't cost you anything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Yeah, So it's it's about integrity, my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Oh, I've had I've had I've had this had a
way too long for integrity.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
So I'd like to try to have some id like
to try to keep some integrity in this screwed up
world that we have.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, that's nice. Keep keep the keep that pie in
the sky dream. Okay, yeah, thank you guys so much.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
We will be saying my guitarist, by the way, he's
in the chat.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Okay, that's spot Alex. You've had a good streak of
at least decent jokes that make sense. Yeah, do you
have what do you have for us this week? I
believe the chat is ready?

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
All right, all right, all right, all right, So why
do dads take an extra pair of socks when they
go golfing?

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I feel like I can figure this out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
I don't think about it too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
My golf a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Want the answer?

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Okay, ready, yeah, you go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
In case they get a hole in one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
It makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Still not laughing, I am smiling. Oh come on, no,
I did smile.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
It's a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
It's very close, and we'll give it like a let's
see what the chat says. I'm curious to see what
the Steves say about the golf joke. That is like
a true golf joke right now, It's yeah, that was better.

(01:14:17):
That was a better one. See, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
That's where the joke.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Are you throwinges like Christmas trees? Someone's throwing two people
are throwing socks at you. Someone is legitimately having conniptions
laughing so hard. In the chat, someone said to keep
the sweat off because they're in Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
What I mean, we're thinking, like there's a real practical application.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
There's other golf courses in the country. I promise that
aren't a stinky. So someone just throw like a mean
like a cartoon. Someone's throw a shooting star. Oh, there
you go golfers courses. I refuse, like man, high school
teachers must have hated that guy. Hey, heavy metal joker.

(01:15:06):
I refuse to learn this. Yeah he's good. It was
a giggle ha ha. There are more laughs than not
laughs on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
So it's a jad joke.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
That is me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
That is true, like from a dad joke of the
day calendar. That is exactly that. That one is so
thank you all so much. It was su par Oh
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
See that's a good dad joke. That's a good dad
golf joke.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
The golf puns are gonna start.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
That joke was rough.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I'm gonna hit myself in the head with a club.
Oh yeah, obvious, right. Thank you so much. We will
see you all next week, hopefully with less ai news,
because sweet Mercy, we all need a break from it.
Did everyone hear that again? I heard it again. I

(01:16:04):
heard the little cheap cheap No, I heard the discord.
It has to be on my computer. Then I heard
like like a timer or something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
I think we're watching Luke lose it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
No, someone like everyone else would have had We've heard
it too on discord. It's just Youtue wouldn't have heard
it because you're not on my computer like you're on
the call. I'm not. Everyone else knows. I'm not crazy.
It's just you two. Okay, you too are the problem,
not me. Okay, that's how you're the only one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
You're in things.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Everyone else is gonna be. Yeah. See in the chat,
I heard it, yep, I heard it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
There you go in credibility. How can we show that guy?

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I heard it. I heard it. Everyone else is saying
it too. Now there you go. I'm right, That's what matters.
Thank you, Barbi. That was that was a different thing
for me growing up. Thank you all so much. We
will see you next week. Goodbye, everybody,

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