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Episode Transcript

(00:20):
Hey, everyone, Welcome to thePolitically Incorrect Podcast. I'm Jim Williams joining
me as always my buddy and partnerin crime, Alan Joel Steinberg, And
as we look back on a veryeventful week, Alan, let's begin with

(00:40):
Bob Woodward's book and the tapes thatcame out that proved that the president knew
long before he let the races ofthe country know that the coronavirus was going
to be bad. Well, goodmorning, Jim and those who are listening
at this time of real distress forAmerica. What really hit home with me

(01:07):
about the Woodward book was the aftermath. When I first heard the news,
I said to myself, he can'tget out of this one. There's no
plausible excuse for him. It's allon tape. This was an act of
criminal, gross negligence on his part. The first obligation of any leader was

(01:34):
to bring the American public into hisor her confidence, let them know as
to what was going on with apandemic. Had the public known, it
could have saved perhaps an excess ofone hundred thousand lives. I have heard
doctors on TV since then say that, but he didn't do that. The

(01:56):
definition of treason in the Constitution ishelping your enemy at the time of war.
So in a constitutional sense, thiswas not an active preason. But
in the normal, day to daycolloquial sense, this was an active preason.
It was an act of deliberate refusalto comply with your oath of office,

(02:17):
refusal to fulfill your responsibilities as aleader to the American public. It
was the most dastardly act I haveever seen a president commit, and I
thought that the public would see itthat way. But what we find in
the Trump movement is a movement ofsuch white grievance anger that the man can

(02:42):
do almost anything. What we seein today's Republican Party is a disgrace.
This is why I've left the party. Where there is total fear of these
senators and these members of the Houseand Representatives to fulfill their responsibilities. To
say that the emperor wears no andto say that this was a despicable act

(03:04):
of breach of his oath of office, I have yet to hear one,
and I've yet to hear any memberof the Senate, any member of the
House of Representatives, say anything criticalabout the despicable act of this president and
I'm curious as to what the reactionwill be in the polls. I'm starting
to see this election. I thinkTrump will lose. Pray to the Lord

(03:29):
that he loses. Otherwise you're gonnaneed to put me in a straight jacket
because I'll be in Australia at thatpoint. So I don't think we have
to worry about it. Well,I hear you, but in any event,
I think I'll use the George Wallacephrase, there's more of us than
there are of them. Last timeTrump lost a popular vote, I think

(03:52):
his popularity has gone down by enoughto make a difference in the electoral vote.
I think it was very well putby Steve Cornet, as I said
on the last show that if thatif Biden gets the popular vote advantaged by
more than five percent, it willbe impossible to Trump to win in the
electrical college. But it terrifies methat this race should even be close.

(04:16):
This was just a horrific response byhis backers, by the Republican Party,
and I don't know what to makeof it. Today, you guys,
we're recording this. This is theanniversary of nine to eleven. After nine
to eleven, I had a lotof hope for the future of this country
because of the way the American publiccame together today, I'm frightened to death.

(04:40):
We know part of that too,in the early days is the fact
that the president who blames this virusactually calling it to chi virus. It
was President she who reached out andsaid, look, this is bad.

(05:03):
You need to know that. Andit was the World Health Organization, who
you know he's threatened to pull outof because they hid stuff, who actually
again was in touch with his adviserstelling them this is bad. You need
to be aware. And the oneother part to this, which people I

(05:28):
don't know if they know it ordidn't know it, or they She's not
the one I remember it. Butwhen President Trump took office, they're obviously
during transition times, what as wetake you inside the rope here a little
bit, The incoming president receives briefingsfrom the White House on what's going on,

(05:54):
so that they know what they're gettingthemselves into the moment they stepped foot
in the whole office, and oneof the dossiers that was left there was
how the Obama administration handled a numberof different flu and health issues, and

(06:21):
there was a there was like isan eighty seven page dossier which included the
fact that there was a task forceat that time that was solely there two
check out potential viruses that could bedebilitating to this United States. And the

(06:46):
reason was, and you know thisAlan as we speak on nine to eleven,
was that so many people in thegovernment and in the intel community thought
that the next thing that would happenwould be some sort of nerve gas,
some sort of of virus that wouldbe dropped into water supply or something along
those lines. And they wanted,you know, as a security issue,

(07:11):
they wanted people to know that wecould be attacked without ever having another person
from another country stepped on our soilby simply, you know, poisoning the
water supply of a major city orsomething like that, just to drive fear
into people. So that's what itwas there for. And it was more
fit more a little more during theF one and one viruses and all the

(07:38):
different issues that came about. Butthe President was briefed by President's China,
his team was briefed by the WorldHealth Organization, and he had a document,
a roadmap, if you will,of how to get yourself through the
pandemic. Now, you should knowin the first couple months of his administration

(08:01):
that Doncier went out the door,and the funding from DHS that went to
it was reassigned someplace else. Sothe Task Force for Intensive Verses was dismantled.
All the information that the task forcethey provided was put in somebody's desk
drawer, and the money to keepthat task force alive went out the door

(08:26):
in twenty seventeen. So that addsmore to fuel to your already pretty amazing
bonfire. Well, I'm aware ofthat. I agree with you, and
let me take it a step further. When I was in the Bush administration,
we were already aware of the dangerof a future pandemic, both from

(08:50):
the standpoint of national security and alsothe fact that we are now living in
a global village. It was easierfor these pandemics to spread. So we
have drills on how to respond toa pandemic, and the Obama administration,
to their credit, formalize this withtheir pandemic task wars. This goes way
beyond partisanship. The problem with DonaldTrump, and this also came out in

(09:15):
the Woodward Book, is his hatredof Obama is so deep and it's all
due to racism. The book doestotally reinforce the allegations of not allegations,
the evidence, the proof of Trumpracism, and that's what motivated him and
his total hatred of Obama, whichin turn results in his being dismissive,

(09:41):
his being in opposition to every singlething Obama ever did, just as a
matter of reflective behavior on a partof this racist Donald Trump and our republic
is in danger from this. Ican't say how much. And I am
really I am really terrified at thepossibility of his reelection. I am terrified

(10:05):
at how you can point all thisevidence to his supporters and they will just
laugh. To see a rally theother night where none of his supporters were
wearing masks. The mask issue.He's totally politicized. This is disgraceful.
This is terrifying that a basic matterof public health he's made a badge of

(10:28):
honor. To violate it is despicable. There has never been a president of
such ill character. There has neverbeen a president that's so polluted the discourse
in this country. And I todayam terrified at the possibility of him being
reelected. I don't think he willbe a few weeks ago, I was

(10:50):
positive that he wouldn't be and thepulls continue to show the weakness in his
re election effort. It was reinforcedby the New York Times report that paid
just about runout of money in theTrump campaign because of their own negligence and
basically their need to satisfy the vanityof Donald Trump. Stupid efforts like the

(11:13):
super Bowl commercial, which really hadno impact for this election. But I
pray that he is not reelected.He goes way beyond politics. That's funny
about the super Bowl commercial. Thatcommercial was indirect. Remember that Mike Bloomberg
bought a super Bowl commercial, right, and so at the time, Bloomberg

(11:37):
wasn't even a candidate because he wasn'ton any ballot anywhere. So Trump had
to go ahead and and match Bloombergby buying a ten million dollars at during
the super Bowl. So yeah,that wasn't a very bright situation at that
standpoint. But it look, whenyou were advisor in the Bush administration,

(12:03):
you had some of the best andbrightest people around you. And I don't
see that there's no policy shop atthe White House that I'm aware of,
and there's no depth if you will, of information where you can pick up
the phone and say I need abrief on X, Y or Z and

(12:24):
get it. I mean, theseare guys who literally it looks as if
and maybe I'm wrong, you cancertainly tell me. So that need to
pull out a map to figure outwhere some of these countries are because they
don't know. There's never been abrain drain. There's never put a brain
drain that I can remember in history. In my history, I should say,

(12:50):
where the president has fewer people ofknowledge around it, well, there
are no brains in this administration.There are two prevailing themes that you find
in Trump people. Number one isan incredible lack of expertise and his top
advisors. The best example is JaredKushner, who has bragged about how he

(13:13):
had to read books on the MiddleEast in order to get involved in the
whole process of negotiations, who complainsthat he has to read And you have
a whole series of advisors who arebasically anti scientific, anti scientific that they
will be opposed to people like doctorFauci, who has demonstrated expertise that is

(13:39):
relied upon by officeholders of both parties. The second feature is a partisanship that
is so intense that they will nevercross the aisle to seek out the best
in the brightest on the other side, when the other side is willing to
give advice. Let me give apersonal example of this. I was when

(14:03):
I was installed as reason to EPAadministrator. One of the first phone calls
I made was to Jim Florio.Now, Jim Florio was a former congressman
from South Jersey who had been thesponsor and the party most responsible for the
enactment of the Superfund program, whichis the most effective federal environmental program.

(14:28):
And he also was a person creditedwith people on both sides of the OWL
in terms of his expertise on climatechange and other issues that are really weighing
upon us. And I called himbecause I wanted to make arrangements for a
meeting of a half hour forty fiveminutes. And when he came into my

(14:50):
office, it was like sitting therewith an environmental encyclopedia. And after the
forty five minutes, said, Jim, you got to stay for lunch.
I said, now, let metell you what was remark about this.
No political figure in New Jersey hadbeen more involved than anti Floorio efforts than
I. When he was running forgovernor in nineteen eighty one, I was

(15:13):
very involved in the Tom King forgovernor campaign. I was involved in Tom
King's recount effort that year. WhenFlourio ran for re election in nineteen ninety
three, I was extremely involved withChristy Todd Whitman's campaign. That's how eventually
I became the head of the MetalLands Commission. So here was a person

(15:33):
that I had had been totally adverseto. Today, Jim Flouria was one
of my best friends. We gettogether once a month. He's been calling
me to complain out during the pandemic, during the COVID. We're not getting
together, but both of us arebeing careful with our health. You know,
we're both, thank God, ingood health. But floios eighty three

(15:54):
and I just turned seventy back inNovember. But I benefitted from that meeting
because I said I want to crossthe ale to get the best expertise to
guide me. And nobody in theBush administration in any way complained about my
crossing the aisle. In fact,they were supportive of it. That could

(16:15):
never take place in this ailaious administration. If somebody crossed the aisle and telephone
somebody for expertise that Jim that DonaldTrump didn't approve of. Particularly if it
was a black person, that personwould be out of a job. It
is disgraceful the degree of partisanship thatprecludes the members of this administration from getting

(16:38):
the advice of the best in thebrightest. Well again, to your point,
back in the in the nineties whenI covered Clinton, it was on
there's the famous phone call that hehad with New Gingrich. It happened twenty

(16:59):
seven minutes after he was impeached,and he made a phone call to New
He goes, Okay, now thatthat's out of the way, we need
to sit down and start working onputting together a budget and putting together some
some key issues that need to betaken care of. So you know,

(17:23):
I can't possibly see any on inany world where a Donald Trump would be
impeached by the House and then pickup the phone and call Nancy Pelosi and
go, okay, that's that crapsout of the way. Let's move on
and do something for the American people. Because he doesn't know the first role

(17:44):
of politics. The first role ofpolitics is that your opponents are your adversaries.
They don't have to be your personalenemies. He understands nothing of this.
He is the worst possible person tobe involved in a political process.
He is having just a horrific effectin terms of coming together with people on

(18:07):
the opposite side of the isle andmaking sound policy. We're going into a
period now where there will be itlooks like there will be no pandemic economic
response enacted. The economy is interrible shape. But what's again, what's
incredible to me is many of thepeople who will suffer because of a lack

(18:30):
of continuation of our pandemic economic responsewill be his supporters, but they never
blame him. It is almost likethe hypnotic effect you see in totalitarian countries
where the leader, where the leadercan just have a hypnotic effect on his
followers, similar to that of JuanPeron in Argentine. It's similar to that

(18:52):
Benito Mussolini in Italy. This isterrifying, and I think that the people
voting on Stanald Trump see that.But I think that it's just shocking a
number of Americans who will keep followinghim onto death. They will go to
a round literally literally, they willgo to these rallies where there are no

(19:15):
masks, where there is no socialdistancing. They will risk their wife for
a president who basically is a bum. It's amazing there you go, Yeah,
tell me what you really think,right, um, Alan and I'll
be back to continue to talk aboutwhat's going on with a Woodward book,

(19:37):
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(25:17):
with me prior to the break.We were talking about the Woodward Book,
and let me ask you a bit. You're talking about Jerry Kushner. Now
you certainly have knowledge of the Kushnerfamily and what's going on there. I
do. One of the things thatyou know, the Israeli UAE deal one

(25:41):
of the things why I think ithappened, and obviously I want your opinion
on this. It's really a transactionaldeal. The UAE was constantly concerned about
what the Saudis, We're going todo to them, lalone the iraq and
Iranians. If they sided with Israeland became partners with them, that was

(26:06):
almost to me like a m Itwas like an insurance policy. You know,
we've got the Israelis on our side. That'll be good if we ever
have to, if somebody invades usor something like that, we can always
call on them and they can helpus out. So I thought that that
was you know, I'm not Ihope it works, because I think any

(26:30):
good relationship between Israel and any ofthe Gulf state countries is a good thing.
But I do believe this one isfar more transactional than it is outruistic.
Yeah, it is Transit is actional, and I agree with you.
It is not a bad thing.No, it's not never a bad thing.
But what it really is is aformal It's a formalization of an economic

(26:56):
relationship that already exists. You alreadyhave a number of economic ventures between the
Israeli companies and companies in the UnitedArab Emirates. It's a formalization of that.
However, it appears already they willhave almost no effect on the other
golf countries. Saudi Arabia is notgoing to recognize Israel because the mood of

(27:22):
the fundamentalists Arab street is too intense. If the Saudi Arabian leadership recognized Israel,
there would be a tremendous violent uprising. The Iranians would take advantage of
it and would call the Saudi leaderstraders. That's not going to happen.

(27:44):
So again, it's not a badthing. It is something that is helpful
economically. But it's impact is beingvery grossly overstated, not only by the
American leadership, only by the Trumpadministration, which is desperate for some kind
of successes. Also being exaggerated bybb Net Yahoo, who is in very

(28:10):
delicate shape right now because the coronavirusIsrael has become out of control, literally
out of control, and bb alwayssurvives everything. He's just smarter than Trump
is. Actually, he's got atremendous survival sense. But right now he
is more His future as Israel's Primeminister is more endangered than ever, so

(28:36):
he will make maximal use of this. I think also that there is one
impact of this transaction that is negative, and Israel itself is a little bit
fuddled by this. Number One,it was understood, at least by American
leadership, that the UAE would getcertain weapons of war, certain fighter aircraft,

(29:00):
and Israel's not too thrilled about this, and that's a consequence that was
not really taken into account. There'sopposition to this in Israel. Now.
There's one salient fact of all this. The United Arab Emirates has never been
at war with Israel. It's notlike Jordan, where you had a major

(29:22):
peace arrangement back in nineteen ninety sixwith then King Hussain. It's not the
same thing as the deal with anwarSadat in Egypt, which were the two
principal countries at war in the firstfour Arab Israeli wars. This is an
arrangement in economic arrangement basically with acompany with a country that Israel has never

(29:48):
had any war with, so ithas significance. It's being overplayed because of
the interest of both the Trump administrationand b b NA and Yahoo in Israel
of having some success. They canpoint to what about Cutter, I mean,
they are very much like a UAE. Is that a potential maybe,

(30:11):
except that at times their interest hasbeen very adverse to Saudi Arabia. There
was, of of course a blockadeof Cutter that was very much in the
news in the last few years.So maybe they could get an America could
get some sort of recognition from Cutter, but it may have a negative impact

(30:36):
in terms of the relationships with SaudiArabia. Speaking of Saudi Arabia, Jamak
Shogi, the trial of those whosupposedly killed Jamaica Shogi took place in in

(30:57):
Saudi Arabia UH twenty years I believeis the highest sentence that came out of
that. There was no name ofany of the um um any defendants in
the case. There was no transcriptof the trial, and there obviously was
no UM body, nor was thereany mention of how the body where the

(31:22):
body was UM and Mohammad Ben Salomonescaped. Gall responsible. Everyone everyone knows
that he was responsible. And inthe Woodword book there is uh eminently some
passages where Trump brags about his abilityand the fact that he did things to

(31:42):
shield MBS from prosecution. Right.Um, And I think as long as
we have lived, I think thatthe United States had some sort of blind
spot when it came to working withMBS. Well in his predecessors. Um,

(32:10):
they've gotten away literally with murder,and for some reason we tend to
just not go there is there anythoughts on that? Well for decades now,
and I'm not playing one person thoughit's not Trump or it's not The

(32:31):
problem did not start with Donald Trump. No, he made it worse and
Jared Kushner made it worse, butit didn't start with him. There's a
very good book written by professor Ibelieve he was at Columbia Adverard Scott Cooper.
The title of the book was TheOil Kings, and it talks about
how the shabby relationship became a literalpillar of American foreign economic policy. This

(32:59):
goes all the way back to theadministration of Jerry Ford, because at that
time we had a relationship with theIranian government, the government of the Shah
of Iran. It was a longstandingrelationship where they supplied us with plenty of

(33:19):
oil and we supplied Iran with armsthat they really didn't need. But eventually
this relationship ran a file because ofcertain aspects in the Iranian government. The
shav became very demanding and as aresult of which Bill Simon at the time

(33:42):
it was the energy She's are startedturning very sharply towards Saudi Arabia and our
foreign policy, and ever since thenit's been the case. I don't think
it should be where we're supposedly energyindependent right now, I don't understand why
we continue to play such reliance onSaudi Arabia. Yeah, it's amazing,

(34:05):
it's so amazing. Let's talk alittle bit of election politics year. We
talked about that. The revelations fromfrom the Woodward Book came out on Wednesday.
We're speaking right now on the morningon Friday. None of the polls,
no new polls have been taken.Do you expect in any way that

(34:28):
there will be any movement one wayor the other. I think the overwhelming
majority of the American public has madeup its mind. I don't think the
debates will have anything but a marginalor impact. Right now, there is
coalescence among all the reputable polls thatBiden has a lead of the popular vote

(34:52):
of roughly seven to eight percent.Some of the polls haven't even higher than
that. He has enough of amargin in the popular vote that he is
likely to win the White House.There's another factor also in the three states
that Hillary Clinton lost last time thatgave the election to Donald Trump, the

(35:14):
states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, andMichigan. The lead for Trump for Biden
is not only widening, it's alsobecoming much more firm. So therefore he
doesn't absolutely need to win the stateof Florida. It would be nice if
Biden did win that state, becausethen on election night, it would be

(35:37):
all it would be all over.Excuse me, but you know it's not.
It's not a certainty. Uh,Florida is very much up for grabs.
All the polls seem to have thatrace within the margin of error,
but it's very much outside the marginof error in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin,

(36:00):
in Michigan. The election in thosestates just becomes a matter of making sure
that the Democrat voters get out andvote. And that can't be taken for
granted because the Republican Party, becauseof Trump himself, they will do everything
possible to suppress the African American vote. They've done this in Wisconsin, where

(36:21):
the number of available polling places forAfrican American voters has been decreased overwhelmingly during
the COVID. The African American communityhas been disproportionately impacted, so they have
to wait in very long lines.I recall for the primary that in white
precincts, the average waiting time wasabout six minutes. In the black community

(36:45):
it was around an hour. Sothe Democrats will have to do their job
get their voters out to the polls. The good news is I have never
seen an election in which the AfricanAmerican community was more motivated to vote.
Trump made a big show out offrying to say that he wasn't a racist,
that he had African American support.He made this show not per sent

(37:09):
to get more African American votes.He knew he couldn't do it. He
did it to try to persuade undecidedwhite suburbanites who are not bigoted, who
are not racist, that he wasacceptably tolerant. I don't think he succeeded
in that. No, I thinkthat was a miss. Let's talk for
a minute. Excuse me about mailin ballots, because my mom, who

(37:37):
lives in the beautiful area of Latrobe, Pennsylvania now is called me frantically last
week and said, I'm going tovote by mail, but should I show
up at the polls? And Itold her, in your no circumstances,

(37:57):
should she go to the polls?If she was an if she was a
Donald Trump voter, he would havetold her, yes, mail in your
ballot and yes, show up.But the poles try to vote twice.
He would have told your mother tocommit a felony. That's that's the state

(38:20):
of life there. That's true.That is true. But I think part
of the problem of why this isgoing to be more than just a a
couple of days before we know whowins. It's the state of Pennsylvania and
a number of other states. Doyou not count the mail in ballots until

(38:45):
they've counted the ballots of those whoshowed up in voting. So that means
Pennsylvania and Michigan and Minnesota and Wisconsinall have those types of laws which say
you can't do that. Well,if it's supposed to come down to quote

(39:07):
unquote the swing states, and youcan't count those ballots before the election day.
And I'll give you a quick number, guys. In twenty sixteen in
the state of North Carolina, therewere requests for thirty seven thousand and change

(39:30):
votes this time and they're now voting. In North Carolina as we speak.
Early voting there were six hundred andforty five thousand requests. So clearly we
see that people are asking for ballotsso that they can vote by mail.

(39:52):
But the only thing I would sayas a caveat before I turned this over
to my learned colleague, is thatplease, if you do get these ballots,
okay, there's absolutely no reason tobelieve that you're not going to get
them counted. Here's what you haveto do, though. You have got
to read, and I mean seriously, read every last bit of information about

(40:15):
how this ballot needs to be properlyprepared. Okay, please read everything,
because one mistake and that ballot won'tbe counted. Now please pay attention to
whatever wherever you're listening to us,whatever state it is. If you get

(40:37):
an absentee ballot or you get avote by mail ballot, that's wonderful,
but you need to pay attention toevery last detail that they ask you before
you put that thing in the mailand send it or put it in a
dropbox or however you get it toyou to your election officials. So a

(40:58):
PSA on my part, Alan,it's a buddy. Well, I am
totally in agreement with you, andI have to give a special compliment to
Bill Murphy, the governor of NewJersey, because what he came up with
was a universal vote by mail system. It's very easy to cast your ballot
by mail. It's not difficult,it's not complicated, and it's all explained

(41:22):
in a very comprehensible language. Onthe ballot itself. There are two envelopes.
The one contains another envelope within,and you signed the one envelope and
nobody can tell how you voted.And it's very well policed. It's very
well organized. They problems in otherstates they don't really have a universal vote

(41:47):
by mail, for example, inNew York. In New York. My
son was complaining to me about howhe and his wife want to vote by
mail and they have to go throughthe absentee ballot system, and that is
a little more complicated. I thinkvote by mail is a good thing.
I think that it encourages a muchlarger vote. It's a particular benefit to

(42:09):
the African American community where people arein what they call essential jobs. They
define it's not that easy to getoff work. They have utilized the vote
by mail system to a very salutaryeffect. And I think, for example,
you mentioned North Carolina, I thinkvote by mail is going to give

(42:30):
the Democrats a good opportunity with anincreased African American vote to win that state.
But nevertheless, you have to check, as you indicated in the Jim
Williams Public Service announcement, check yourballot to make sure that it is properly
completely. You know, you broughtup a state of North Carolina. In

(42:51):
North Carolina, they do count ballotsahead of time, so by the time,
you know, the third of Novemberrolls around, North Carolina will have
counted their absentee ballots where they're mailin ballots. In the state of Maryland,
paradway. You do have to youdo have to request an absentee ballot,

(43:16):
and it's really again, it's nothard, it's just you must pay
attention. I was online the otherday making the request, just to give
you a what's up situation, andwhen I entered my address, there is
a for instance, let's say youlive at seven Diamond Crest, you know

(43:40):
court, Okay, If you do, you have to put seven because they
want to know the street number.Then they want to know the street name,
and then they want to know ifyou're live in a condominium or apartment,
the apart that it's an apartment,and under that they need number.

(44:00):
Okay. So the first time Iwent through it, and I've done this
a number of times because I voteby mail marginally because I work on that
day so makes it a little moredifficult. But anyway back to it.
I actually when I first, justas I was about, they give you

(44:21):
the listings of everything you put downso as you can get this ballot,
and I realized that I had skippeda step because I'm looking at it and
I'm like, wait a minute,there's something missing here. I looked at
it, I realized what I haddone I went back, I fixed it,
and then I sent it on.So my point being missed. Even

(44:42):
the smallest thing like the road orthe street or whatever it is that you
live on, if it's not properlyput into the system, you won't get
a ballot. So be very careful. And you know that's all I have
to do. If you're careful andyou pay attention, there's no reason to

(45:05):
believe that your ballots not ganking accounted. So there's your there's your perrepublic Service
announcement. Go out and do it. Um, let's talk a bit for
a moment about um, the theupcoming debates. UM. We won't waste

(45:25):
a lot of time on this,but I keep getting from my friends on
the right that, well, mygod, Donald Trump did such a great
job in the debates in the RepublicanUM presidential nomination debates that um, he

(45:47):
just won every one of them.And uh, they're terrified that he's going
to the Democrats are terrified that thatJoe Biden's going to do something that's not
gonna you know, it's gonna endup being a you know, some sort
of flip. I gotta say,Trump during the Republican nominating process basically was

(46:14):
a borschbelt comic. I mean,he let the other guys in a circular
firing squad shoot at each other,and then he would drop a one liner
here, tr up a one linerthere. Whether it was you know,
slow energy Jeb or you know littleMarco or whatever it was, he would
throw these little barbs in there,and that would be what everybody remembered.

(46:35):
He lost every debate to Hillary Clinton, all three of them. And we're
talking about multiple polls, not justone poll in in the fall of twenty
sixteen, and Hillary Clinton lost theelection, not because it debates, because
twelve days out from the actual electionis the day that Jim Comey was the

(46:57):
person who dropped supposedly the bombshell,the October surprise that Anthony Wiener and Uma
Abadeen. Uma, of course wasHillary Clinton's right hand person, and Anthony
Weiner, her husband, had shareda computer which there were supposedly thirteen thousand
new additional emails which had never beenfound before. Well, you know,

(47:22):
we find out three days later thatthose were actually just copies of emails that
the Justice Department had already seen.But by that time the damage had been
done. So I don't you know, you remember when George W. Bush,
you, your former boss, wasdebating Al Gore, and everybody was

(47:46):
terrified that George W. Wouldn't dowell well if the bar is so low,
And George W. Bush was nota fool. He just he played.
He sat back, he let Goretalk, and then he brought it
out and a lot of people lookedat him and say, you know what,
he's a nice looking you know,he's a nice guy. He looks

(48:07):
like somebody you wouldn't mind have anybeer with, or were you know,
an nice tea or something, andjust sitting down and talking he was.
He came across as that kind ofa guy. And I think that way
too much emphasis is being put placedon the debates, because first of all,
they're not really debates, and secondof all, there's there's I don't

(48:31):
see that you're going to see anythingthat's going to be disqualifying for either candidate
in these debates. Debates are amatter of style, and as you indicated
in the primaries of twenty sixteen,Donald Trump prevailed in the primaries because of
his entertainment value, he did notdo very well in the debates against Hillary

(48:53):
Clinton. I think they were verymuch positive for her, and as you
indicated, it was the coney printpronouncement that really turned the election in Donald
Trump's favor, and it was reallyby the skin of his teeth that he
won. I think these debates canbe the final confirmation of a Trump defeat.

(49:13):
And I'll tell you why. DonaldTrump is a bully. Joe Biden
is your typical high school hero whoif he saw somebody acting abusively towards a
woman, or saw him bullying someboy who was not that physically strong,
he would take the bully behind theschoolhouse and beat the living daylights out of

(49:35):
him. That's Joe Biden's personality.He is perfect when positive against a bully,
and I think the contrast of personalitiesis going to be perfect for Biden.
I think not only do I haveno worries about him surviving these debates,
I think he's going to really beatthe living daylights out of Trump.

(49:57):
Trump will attempt to bully him,and that is Trump that will come out
looking as if he is low energy, looking as if he is too old
for the job. Well, Ithink there's the mad Men effect with Trump.
He he can't he's not disciplined enough. To sit there and have a
conversation, and I think that's thekind of thing. Um, I'm gonna

(50:22):
do a throwback for you on thisone. In the nineteen eighty debates,
Ronald Reagan is remembered for one simpleline, one simple line against Jimmy Carter.
There's nothing to remember. Jimmy Carter'snot remembered at all for those debates.
But but Ronald Reagan had one linewhich to find the debates and in

(50:47):
many ways was part of wrecking theend of Jimmy Carter. Much of was
by the way Carter did by himselfthat he didn't need help on. But
but Ronald Raygan in a when Carterwas going off on Reagan's inability to you

(51:07):
know, to understand foreign policy,Reagan just simply looked up and hit him
with the line, there you goagain. That that debate will will forever
be remembered, not because it wasparticularly prophetic, it's just that it it

(51:28):
basically dismissed everything that Jimmy Carter said, and he did it in a polite
way. He did it in anot sarcastic way, but in a brilliant
stroke of oratory where he just basicallysaid all right, what you've listened to
for the last five minutes or lasthour or whatever. I don't know,

(51:52):
Just there he goes again. Hecan't you know, he can't touch me
when it comes to what I'm lookingfor it. It was so simple in
its delivery and its context, butit was so brilliant in when it was
yours. Well. There are twofactors of that debate. Number One,

(52:13):
when he said there you go againin that voice, it was in the
context of Carter trying to play upthese fears that Reagan was going to abolish
or minimize Social Security, and byusing that line, Reagan totally punctured that
balloon of Carter's. But the secondthing was at the end of that debate,
he reduced it to a very simplechoice when he said, are you

(52:37):
better off than you were four yearsago? He made the choice so simple,
and the overwhelming majority of Americans werenot better off. So Reagan was
a master communicator, and that's thatdebate did have it the sizeive impact.
Carter was on the losing end ofthat election going into it, but the

(53:00):
public was not just assured that Reaganwas up to the job, and that
debate persuaded the public that Reagan wasup to the job. He won by
a landslide the nineteen eighty eight debates. More or less, it didn't decide
the election, but it confirmed aresult. When Michael Ducaucus was asked a

(53:20):
question as to how he would reactif his wife was raped, whether he
would want to see the death penalty, and he reacted in a way.
And there's no doubt that Michael Ducaucusloved his wife, but he reacted in
such a cold way that listeners sawthis and they were turned off. They
said, this guy doesn't have muchof a human streak within him. So

(53:45):
debates are a show. But Ithink the advantages here are all going to
be with Joe Biden. It's funnythat you brought that up because I remember
in eighty eight I had done somespeechwriting for for the Caucus campaign, and

(54:06):
Susan Estrich, who was the personwho was his campaign manager at the time,
that if you recall, there wasan ad and many of you don't
you know, wouldn't recall, maybebecause you're not as geekish about these things
as Alan and I. But ifyou look up, Yeah, I was
gonna say, if you type inYouTube and type up Willie Horton. That

(54:29):
ad read once it only it onlyran once. Lee Atwater, many of
you again google him, he passedaway. He was. He was a
genius at capturing the moment, verymuch like the number of the people that
Atwater was involved with and who hadsome of the same abilities to craft a

(54:55):
masterful political ad are part of thelink in project now. M But but
what happened was in that case becauseI remember being watching it because, as
I said, a vested interest atthe time, um was that he missed
the question. He didn't even hebasically he Michael, the confidence didn't didn't

(55:22):
the question didn't register with him,and so when he said it, it
didn't matter. You know, asas Alan said, he was very academic
in his response. It was veryThere was no an emotion at all in
it. It wasn't like when heheard the question was by Billy Barton.
Bernard Shaw at the time posted himfrom CNN. I believe that, you

(55:47):
know, the response, as Alansaid, would have been hell, no,
you know, I'm and then Iwould have evoked not that he would
have asked me if somebody might haveum that I would evoked. The wonderful
line from h f. Big Bailey, a great defense attorney who when asked,

(56:09):
are you for the death penalty?He says, I am until somebody
in my family gets guilt. Um. So I think that there's a lot
of things that could have been doneand could have been said. But between
that and the brilliance of Susan Estristo have Michael Decoccus photographed in a tank,

(56:30):
um certainly didn't help the campaign muchalong those lines. But yeah,
debates are you know the famous vicepresidential debate between Quail and Lloyd Benson.
Benson said the Quail you know whenhe Quail equated himself to John Fitzgerald Kennedy

(56:52):
and and and you know he tedup one form for Benson, who shot
back, you know, I servedwith Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy,
Sir, you are no Jack Kennedy. Um. We remember these debates
for simple sound bites. And Ithink that Trump's inability to focus, He's

(57:13):
going to make for a very entertainingthree hours because he's going to probably contradict
himself and get him put you know, and basically confuse most people. So
even if Joe does make a gaff, it's probably not going to be the
number one story on any other placebut Fox. He's going to try to
bully him, and that's not gonnaTrump is going to try to bully Biden.

(57:35):
And this is the worst guy inthe world to try to bully you.
I was gonna say, that's nota really good plan. Um,
real quick, let's let's kind ofput a bow on this one. But
what happens, regardless one way orthe other, whether Trump wins in this
cycle or loses in this cycle,where's the publican Party? I mean,

(58:01):
I'm confused. I see I seeTrumps leaving and going and starting his own
network and attempting to continue to bea kingmaker. Where does that leave the
allen Steinberg's and the other centrist rightRepublicans. There is there the potential of

(58:23):
a third party because there are sosome Democrats who are not Keena where you
know, the party might be goingin the future into the left, But
you know, is there? Doyou think we're closer to getting to a
third party than we've ever been before? A third party is a very difficult
endeavor because you have to do italmost simultaneously in fifty states. Right,

(58:47):
I'll give you my perspective personally becauseI should rather share this perspective. I
left the Republican Party because it hadbecome too polluted with racism, which Donald
Trump really brought out and confirmed.The Republican Party has become a profit center
for racism. And two respects.Number one is the voter suppression that goes

(59:09):
on in states like North Carolina andGeorgia. The voter suppression is viewed by
Republicans in these states is the suppressionof the right of African Americans the vote.
It's viewed as essential to Republican hopesof retaining these states. So that's
number one, the racism of votersuppression. And number number two is the

(59:34):
fact is the fact of the matterof police brutality. Racist police brutality,
which still is is it's much lessaccepted by suburbanite white voters. That's been
the healthy development that we see confirmedin the polls. That's why the law
and order message of Trump has beenfailing very badly. You have a public,

(59:57):
you have a white voting public thatis much less tolerant of racist police
brutality. They don't want to seeviolence in the street, don't get me
wrong, but they will not overlookthe fact that race relations are at the
core of these urban disturbances, andthey want the president to be a positive
for race relations. And when itcomes to race relations, everyone prefers Joe

(01:00:21):
Biden to Donald Trump. However,the Republican Party profits from police brutality because
the various police unions tend to endorsethe Republican candidate because they know the Republican
Party will protect their members even thebad apples. So with racism on those
two fronts, I found the regardlessof the fact that I'm a center right

(01:00:45):
person, I don't buy into DemocratParty economics and I don't buy into the
extreme socialist fringe of the Democratic Party, I had to leave the Republican Party.
People like me have a crying needfor a news center right party,
but it's not going to be thateasy. That's why I think the Democrats
are going to be in control fora long time. This just end and

(01:01:08):
we'll get a quick response to itbecause it is breaking news. The Wisconsin
Supreme Court has temporary blocked the absenteeballots from being mailed by those who have
them a week before the actual filingdeadline, which would be of course of
them. The third very bad development, very negative development for Joe Biden.

(01:01:35):
And I'm not optimistic as to whatwill happen in the US Supreme Court given
the current membership of that court,although I'm hopeful in this regard. I
think that Justice Roberts has proven tobe a person who acts on principle,
who acts on president and the hopeis that he will rule on behalf of

(01:01:55):
those who want to guarantee the rightto vote by mail and the right to
for by absolutely ballot. One realquick thing, just again inside politics for
you. The Wisconsin Supreme Court isnot the United Supreme Court. It's it's
it is those judges are appointed bythe governors. Okay, so yes,

(01:02:19):
but it's a decision of the highestcourt in estate. And that was right.
Yes, yes, appealable to theUS Supreme Court, absolutely, I
was just My only point I apologizefor not making it better was that that
that it's not it's as you say, it's the highest court in the state
and you have to abide by it. It's it's a law and you have

(01:02:40):
to bide by it. But it'snot like the US District Court that covers
Wisconsin or you know, beyond.But it's going to be. You know,
it's yet another point which you broughtup earlier about suppression, voter suppression.
A low turnout helps President Trump,a high turnout likely doesn't. And

(01:03:04):
so the Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Houseof Delegates is basically has been Republican for
a while now, and they've gota Democratic governor, and they fought tooth
and nail to get the Wisconsin primarypulled off in the midst of a pandemic,

(01:03:28):
even when it wasn't a good thingto do, and people in Wisconsin
stayed out in the rain and withthe pandemic situation for hours just to vote.
And it backfired on the Republicans inthis regard because they had wanted to
have a point a new justice's SupremeCourt, and the person that they wanted

(01:03:52):
lost direly to a more liberal justicethat was voted in despite their every attempt
they made to suppress the vote onelection day. That's what makes me optimistic
for the Biden campaign. But nevertheless, I expect this decision to be appealed

(01:04:12):
in very short order. Sure,no question, any final thoughts before we
get started here on the weekend.By the way, up on both New
Jersey Insiders Insider New Jersey. Letme get this straight. Insider New Jersey
dot com and also on Newstock Floridadot com are Allen's most recent columns,

(01:04:34):
and by all means read them.They're going to be in linked in the
show box below, so you haveno excuse not to. And what you'll
get when you link to it isyou'll see all the columns he's written,
both for Insider New Jersey and ofcourse for Newstock Floridas. So you get

(01:04:54):
a two fur all right, Justcheck it out in the show box below.
All right, So fager Jim,no problem. Final thoughts in also
your social media, Well, mysocial media. My email address is A
Steinberg six thirteen at gmail dot com, My Twitter is at a Steinberg six

(01:05:15):
thirteen under Alan Steinberg, and Iwould encourage you to continue to follow the
election closely. But also a concernI have Last night the NFL opened its
season. I was distressed by whatI thought was a racist reaction by the
fans to the moments of unity thatthe players, black and white were trying

(01:05:39):
to express. I don't think thiswould happen in an NBA game where you
have many more African American attendees butit was it was distressing for me to
watch this. I did see that, and I thought it's there's what was
there like seventeen thousand people at ArrowheadJust so you know, as you guys

(01:06:01):
listen to this um, this,of course is everybody knows who's football fan
is Opening weekend for the NFL.There's only going to be six cities where
there will be attendance, and therest of the of the National Football League
games where we've played in front ofempty stands at least for the first two

(01:06:24):
games of the season, then they'regoing to reevaluate. So Kansas City was
one of those cities that was allowedto have a small group of fans in
attendance. But no, I thinkthat you're risking the point, folks,

(01:06:45):
if if you're gonna boo this,the point is they're trying to show solidary,
you know, to a cause,and they're not disrespecting the flag,
they're not disrespecting the United States.They're simply saying, we have the ability
need to call to attention something iswrong. And that's what happens when you
become famous, yes, and youbecome an athlete, yes, Because frankly,

(01:07:10):
they're they're entertaining you, and that'slovely. We all love to watch
football, but at the end ofthe day, pay attention to what's played
on the field and quit paying attentionto what's played on the sidelines. Understand
why they're doing it, and ifyou support it, God love you.
If you don't support it, that'syour right as well. But don't stand

(01:07:32):
up and boo at them, becauseit's not. You know, you're booing
white guys as much as you're booingthe black guys. Very well stated.
All right, my friend, thatabout does it for this edition of the
Politically Infrect podcast. Always a greatpleasure to have my buddy Allan Steinberg with
me serving as wingman and the arbitrof good taste. We'll be back with

(01:07:56):
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We're both every week. Okay,we make it simple. Please go
out there and do that for ustoday. All right, special thanks to
our good friend Alan Steinberg for joiningus. Folks. As I said before,
this is an important election. Payattention. No matter what candidate you

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know will be voting for, manyof you will have races going on in
the Senate. Again, very importantto pay attention to what's going on there,
as well as House seats and localelections. So look, get your
ballots. If you're going to doit by mail, get your ballots as

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early as possible. Read them,make sure that you go over them word
by word, and make certain thatyou do everything that they're asking you to
do. Fill it out, sendit in as soon as possible to make
certain that your vote gets counted.Okay, don't listen to what people tell

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you about mail in balloting. It'ssafe, it does work. You just
have to pay attention to make certainthat you fulfill the requirements that each state
has, and there's plenty of opportunityto check that out either via the web
or going through the elections office.All of them will explain it to you

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in details. So don't make certainthat when you find out about this,
when the ballot comes to you,that you are getting the right information from
the state website, not from somethird party website. Make sure it's from
the state website and that you fillit out in detail. Okay, all

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right, and it will be counted. So do that. If you're going
to vote by me, I'll doit sooner as opposed to later. Quickly
you get that ballot into better chanceyou have of it being counted and counted
quickly. All right, Well,next week, we will come back on
Friday and fill you in what's goingon. If there's something that pops up

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period in the week, we willdo a short and quick update to let
you know what's going on. Sofolks, buckle down. It's getting close
to the November third voting deadline.Let's go and let's do it, and
let's have one heck of a turnoutfor campaign twenty twenty. It's going to

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be messy, but you know whatdemocracy is messy. The old saying,
you know, is people don't wantto see the sausage made. Well,
guess what. This time it's goingto be made right in the front window
so everybody sees it. But again, it's democracy, and hopefully I have
strong convictions that we're going to comeout of this fine. All right,

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until next time, I'm Jim Williamsfrom my buddy Alan Steinberg, saying so
long. We'll see you next timeright here on the Politically Incorrect podcast Take
Care Now.