Day 84 Israel - Hamas War - What to expect in 2024 between the US and Israel

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Episode Transcript

(00:43):
Good Friday afternoon, everybody, andwelcome to the Politically Incorrect Podcast. I'm
Jim Williams, your host. Todayis day eighty three, eighty four.
I'm sorry of the Israel and howmaas wore, and we're gonna tell take
time to look ahead to what twentytwenty four might look like as the war

(01:07):
moves on. At this point,we will, first, as we always
do, take the opportunity to checkin on the daily briefing from the Prime
Minister's Office in Israel, and withthat we go to our friend Teal Hirich.
She'll be giving you the rundown,and afterwards we'll deal with our cover

(01:29):
story, which today is what's goingon in twenty twenty four. Now,
without any further ado, tell Henry, good afternoon everyone. I'm Teal Heinrik,
a spokesperson for the Israeli Prime Minister'sOffice. This is day eighty four
of the October seventh War. Webegin with our latest figures. Since Comas
launched their murderous attacks against Israeli citizenson October seventh, over thirteen thousand rockets

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have been fired at Israel. Twothousand of those rockets landed within Gaza causing
tremendous destruction within the strip. Thismorning, the IDF death toll increased from
five hundred and one to five hundredand two following the death of thirty three
year old Captain har El Chelwitt.We send her El's friends and family our

(02:19):
heartfelt condolences. One hundred and twentynine hostages are currently held by terror groups
within Gaza, including now twenty threehostages who have been killed while in captivity.
We learned yesterday that one of thehostages, seventy year old Israeli American
Judith Weinstein, has been slaughtered byRamas following her abduction. Judy's husband,

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seventy three year old god Hagai,was murdered by Ramas on October seventh.
His body is also being held bythe terrorist regime. President Biden expressed his
devastation at this horrible news, andwe call on more world leaders to join
us in bringing home each and everyhostage. If you stand for human rights,

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international law, and basic decency,you should be enthusiastically echoing our call
bring them home. Prime Minister Nettniellemet yesterday with the families of twenty eight
hostages and reaffirmed that the Israeli governmentis engaging in round the clock efforts to

(03:30):
secure the hostages release. While muchof our efforts to release the hostages are
extremely sensitive and thus not fit forpublic disclosure, our promise is clear.
No one will be left behind.Though it has been eighty four days since
innocent children, women and men werebrutally abducted and slaughtered, time has stood

(03:53):
still for the hostages, their families, and the victims of the October seventh
massacre. Just yesterday, we heardchilling testimony from twenty one year old Mia
Chem, who was held by Hamasterrorists for fifty five days after being abducted
from the Nova Music festival. Miadescribes being brutally kidnapped, undergoing surgery at

(04:16):
the hands of a veterinarian without anaesthesia, and being hidden in a family's home
with the family's full knowledge and participation. More details of her account will be
revealed later tonight. Also yesterday,The New York Times published a horrifying,
almost unbearably explicit article describing Hamas's useof rape and genital mutilation as a weapon

(04:46):
of war. The Times ongoing investigationhas established that sexual violence was not the
exception, but was instead the rule. In Hamas's barbaric attacks, we looked
to due all women's rights organizations,and especially to UN women and wander if
this bombshell article, in its extruciatingdetail will catch their attention. We remind

(05:12):
you that it took you and womenfifty five days to condemn Hamas's use of
rape as a weapon of war.Unfortunately, there are still dragging their feet,
failing to fire their Deputy Chief ofPeace and Security, Sarah Douglas,
after she violated the UN's own codeof conduct. As you may recall from
our earlier briefings, Douglas had endorsedover one hundred and fifty pro Hamas tweets

(05:38):
since October seventh. It is notenough for you and women to merely recognize
these violations. We call on themto cut ties with Sarah Douglas immediately,
entirely, and indefinitely. Israeli womenare tired of begging for the minimum levels
of sympathy from the organization's super potto stand for us. Enough is enough,

(06:03):
do your job now. For abrief humanitarian update, this past Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday, the UN requestedthat we close the Khalimshalom crossing for
AID inspections due to congestion on theGaza side. Israel continues to have access

(06:24):
capacity for the inspection and passage ofAID trucks into Gaza, and we place
no limit on the amount of humanitariansupplies which can enter the strip. Suggesting
otherwise is a fallacy. Unfortunately,though we have emphasized this message for weeks
now, it is clearly not gettingthrough. Martin Griffiths, the UN's Under

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Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs, justlisted fourteen reasons why it is difficult to
get AID into Gaza now. Perhapsyou can already guess the terrorist group he
failed to mention. That's right.He makes no mention of the Hamas death
cult that steals AID and funnels itinto their tunnels. We encourage mister Griffiths

(07:10):
to drastically revise the way he discussesthis conflict. It is possible to be
even hinded while also condemning terrorists.Denying reality leaves no one better off.
I am now happy to take yourquestions. Do we have questions today?

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If you have questions, feel freeto type them in the chat box.
You can also send them in themail Prior to the daily briefings. We
will be happy to address them.We will wait a bit more. The

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first question comes from Kushimoto, orpublic broadcaster in Japan. Reports from a
human rights institution indicate widespread destruction atcemetery sites in the Godic stript amid military
operations, and our satellite imagery analysisconfirms damage at several sites including Gaza City,

(08:37):
Conjudis and Jabalia. Do you haveany comments on these observations. Thank
you for your question. I havenot seen this report, so I can't
address it directly. What I cantell you, though, is that the
IDF targets terrorists and terror infrastructure inGaza. That's it. MM comes over.

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Thank you for your question. Jimas I stated in the briefings,
we uh w we said, thegovernment said, the Prime Minister said that
we will pursue every avenue to bringabout the release of the hostages. We
want. We demand that all ofthem will be released immediately and unconditionally.
But as you know, we're dealingwith a terrorists organization, the the the

(09:39):
barbaric Kamas terrorists who carried out theOctober seventh massacre. Now, as we
continue to exert military pressure on Hamas, we also hope to create the conditions
that will bring about the release ofmore hostages, as we have seen before,
per the outline that was agreed upon, the one that Hamas has broke

(10:00):
early December. UH. But wecannot expand UH any further than that because,
as you know, human life's hangingthe balance here. Next us come
from of the uh borns. Whatis the primitive of this response? That's
really possible the idea and then heavyis this, suggests pectore in. Well,

(10:31):
we said before that it's a veryvery tragic incident and it should not
have happened. We learned difficult lessonsand our forces are implementing the lessons that
we learned. And UH we wealready addressed this issue very extensively. The

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neighborhood in Gaza where this incident tookplace as a very very difficult compla battle
zone. As you know, Hamasterrorists, there were civilian clothing. They
UH try to lure in our forcesby playing sound of sound in Hebrew,
even of children. Uh. It'sfull of ambushes and there are very very

(11:18):
difficult UH decisions for our soldiers tomeet to take into account at any given
moment on on the ground. Thereand specifically in that neighborhood of of Shahja,
Yeah, where this has taken place. So we hug the families of
these hostages at this difficult moment forall of us. All Right, thank

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you for joining us for the dailybriefing that concludes the briefings for today.
Thanks to salahirich Uh, spokesperson forthe Israeli government, and for her daily
briefing. Uh. The question Iasked what she's responded to had to deal
with other than the Egyptian proposal,which Hamas decided they were not on board

(12:07):
with. Is there any more inthe way of hostage exchange for pause in
the war at this moment? Iknow that Secretary Blincoln and a number of
his team are very much engaged intrying to resurrect Theo's type of talks and

(12:35):
moving forward on them, and I'mexpecting that certainly in the next seven to
ten days we might get something inthat direct general direction. I think that
I think that's something that we willsee, and we can hope that it's
sooner as opposed too later. ButI do think that the framework of the

(12:58):
Egyptian the Egyptian plan is one thatmight be a template that can be can
be honed upon in such a waythat both Israel and Hamas will be willing
to sit down and talk about it. So that's the update there. Let's

(13:20):
talk about our cover story. Whatto expect in twenty twenty four in the
US and Israel relationship. Okay,I think first and foremost, we're going
to see heavy pressure put on bothsides to try to sit down and work
out some sort of plan to getthe hostages back. And I think that

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is tantamount to what is the keything that needs to be done as quickly
as possible. Every bit of pressurethat can be exerted on Hamas to come
to the table through Kitar, whohas been you know, a very valuable,

(14:03):
very valuable partner in trying to getyou know, Hamas to the table.
And I believe the Kataris will continueto to exert that pressure. And
as we move into twenty twenty four, you know, we're going to see

(14:24):
that Israel is going to have totake a less aggressive nature in the in
the war. What do I meanby that, Well, what I mean
by that is they're going to haveto force you know, the the basically
more targeted attacks in Gaza in tryingto take out you know, the leaders

(14:48):
of Hamas and I think that's IsraeliDefense minister and a few other members of
the war cabinets have said that thatis the next step, and I believe
sometime in January will begin to seethat step. Part of the problem at
this point in time with it isthat with the bombing, and it's fair

(15:11):
or fair or you know, youcan find it unfair or fair to criticize
Israel for what they've done in howthey fought, whether it's proportional not proportional.
But at the end of the day, the United States is dealing with
Israel. They are a sovereign country. They don't have to do what US

(15:35):
or UN or anybody else tells themto do. It's up to them.
It's their own government. They runthe show. However, I do believe
that there'll be increasing pressure. Imean, right now, the way that
President Biden and his administration has dealtwith Israel in this and has to prove

(16:00):
that they are partners. You cannotsay that the United States and Israel are
not partners. When the President ofthe United States, a sitting president,
shows up in a war zone tomeet with a prime minister, in this
case Natanyahu during a war which theUnited States is not involved in. Okay,

(16:25):
there's only it's only happened twice,and it's the same president. President
Biden went to the Ukraine, buthe didn't go to the Ukraine as quickly
as he went to Israel. Imean, the Ukraine was almost half a
year into it before he got there, and now you know when he visited
Israel, it wasn't that long afterthe October seventh massacre. Okay, So

(16:47):
there's that He's had pretty much everymember of the key teams, you know,
of his camera officers who would beinvolved in such cases in court of
course, that's Secretary of State bLincoln, Secretary of Defense Austin CIA,
directors. I mean, he's hadeverybody there, and they've been there multiple

(17:08):
times. There has been nine tripsto Israel in the region by you know,
presidential cabinet members. That's unpresident.I mean, it just doesn't happen.
And we're eighty four days in.So I think anybody who says that

(17:30):
that President Biden and his team hasnot been invested in this is you know,
really on a planet that isn't wherethe rest of US live so that
that cannot be emphasized. But goinginto twenty four, it's going to have
to be. There's going to haveto be a softening of the hard line

(17:55):
coming out of Jerusalem here and TelAviv as to how they run the war.
And it's it's just that's gonna havehave to happen. It's gonna have
to happen because it's gonna be moreand more difficult for President Biden to to
deal with it. Now. USofficials and diplomats who are stationed in the

(18:17):
region have been receiving, you know, anger because right at this point in
time, okay, and this iscoming from Egypt and Jordan as well.
They think that, you know,the US has been too close to Israel
and not working with Egypt and Jordanas they have in the past. Uh.

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You know, Biden himself is gettingsome serious pressure from members in the
region as well as you know herein the United States. So he's been
holding the line. But it's thatline is gonna be more and more difficult
to to hold onto. But youknow, the you know, although the

(19:04):
Biden administration successfully pushed for a pausein the conflict to deliver more humanitarian aide
to Gaza and get to get toHamas to release some hostages. So far,
and I think this is an importantpoint, the Biden administration has firmly

(19:27):
refused to call for a ceasefire.They have used their veto power in the
U N to block any of it. You know, anything that anything that
comes from the UN General Assembly demandingyou know that that you know, Israel

(19:52):
back off or the immediate ceasefire hasbeen you know, rebuked by the United
States. It's just hasn't They Theyhave not come away from their support of
what is going on with the withthe Israeli IDF okay, so they backed
the idef in ways. It hasin some cases cost the Biden administration some

(20:21):
friends and some goodwill. And wediscussed yesterday that over two hundred and fifty
planeloads of munitions and other items havemade it's their way to Israel by the
US after October the seventh. Soit's clear that that's where you know,

(20:47):
things are going at this point intime. It's so it's very important for
the Biden administration to continue this,but how long can they continue it?
That's becoming a difficult, difficult situation. And you know, at the end

(21:07):
of the day, we have toremember that the US favors a two state
solution as the gateway to peace inthe Middle East. Prior to the October
seventh War, it's important to notethat the United States had rallied a coalition

(21:36):
which would have been and which stillcould be cutter UAE and the Saudi Arabian
government to come in and become partof a you know, any Egyptians,
I said, don't want to leavethem out to come in and become part

(22:00):
of what would be the genesis ofa two state solution. Now we are
fully aware that the President Prime Ministerof Israel, Benjamin Netania, who he's
not a fan of the two statesolution. Okay, that will be.

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That's not a problem in the longrun, because in this short run you're
not going to get to a twostate solution. You're going to have to
have the healing process that's going tohave to start. When the healing process
is the two sides, it's tooraw. We talked about the importance of
you know, right after World Wartwo, right with regard to what happened

(22:45):
with the Marshall Plan. Okay,the Marshall Plan took almost a decade to
put in place because you know,the Brits were not exactly crazy about dealing
with the Germans, US was notparticularly crazy about dealing with Japan right after
World War Two, so it tooka while to get it done. So

(23:07):
let's the two state solution is along The long play. The short play
is trying to get some regional support, just like I said, Qatar,
UAE and Saudi Arabia to intervene andbecome partners with Israel to try to resolve

(23:29):
some issues and become begin the processof establishing what would be the framework of
a two state solution. Okay,So, as I said before, that's
not going to happen on the morningafter the war stops, so we'll have
to pay attention to that. ButI think that if Israel can back away

(23:52):
from the full scale bombing and wartoward a more targeted war within Gaza,
I think that is where things aregoing, and I think that would be
the best possible plan to continue toget support. Right now, again,

(24:18):
fair or not fair, they arebeginning to lose the international community and that
puts pressure on people like President Biden, President Macrone from you know, France
and of course support from the UKand other countries. It makes it more

(24:41):
difficult for them to support if thebody count with the Palestinians and Gaza continues
to rise. So I think that'ssomething we're going to see early in the
in January, and that is somethingin the way of a a less aggressive

(25:02):
war being fought. And again,fairly or unfairly, the world's perception is
very important in this particular situation.Now number three on our list, it's
you know, it's not it's notsomething that you can overlook. And may
or will be the first, shouldbe the first on the list, and

(25:22):
that is its election year, andyou know, Hamas and Israel are going
to be front and center in thecampaign. The there's going to be grand
standing, okay, and we've seenit already from the Republican presidential candidates who

(25:48):
you know, all seem to besupporting Israel but basically giving them a giving
Israel a full hand to do whateverthey want to. Well, that's not
necessarily all of them, okay.Nikki Hayley has said that she is she

(26:11):
believes that there's a needs to bea two state solution, and she's also
talked about you know, less ofan aggressive stance going forward. Former President
Trump would likely side for again throughhis his words on the campaign trail,

(26:38):
would be firmly in favor of Israel, which is good, but not really
concerned about to state solution or forthat matter, peace in the region.
More to the you know, whateverit takes to win the war and whatever's
left to Gaza. You know,that's their problem, not is President Biden

(27:02):
on the Democratic side is receiving agreat deal of heat from the left where
they're talking about, you know,the supporting the Palestinians in this case.
Now, you can support both Israeland the people of Palestine. Okay,

(27:26):
the Palestinians. You can do that, because if you want a long term
solution, it's got to be atwo way street, so you can do
both. If you support just thePalestinians and not the Israelis, well then
you're not gonna get two state solutions. So pressure on the Biden administration both

(27:48):
internationally and domestically. We'll have tosee how, you know, how long
President Biden can hold the position he'sright now, which is in lockstep with
Israel without saying, look, we'regonna have to put some some guardrails up
here, and some situations where you'regoing to have to, in essence,

(28:14):
do what we ask you to doif you want our support. So I
don't ever see Israel losing the supportof the United States. That's never gonna
happen. But what can happen isthe ratcheting down of some of the of
the support from a standpoint of themilitary actions. So that's something to look
forward to in the early part oftwenty twenty four. So we'll leave it

(28:41):
on that note for today, andwe hope that the war doesn't go on
any any longer than it has to. The hostages. We hope get home
safe and sound as soon as possible. And this will be the last broadcast
we have in twenty twenty three,and so we wish everyone happy and a

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healthy twenty twenty four. Will seeyou perhaps on Monday, and we're scheduled
now for Tuesday. However, aswe always say, if something comes up
or something urgent happens, we willbe sure to be here to let you
know. Okay, so there yougo. All the information on where you

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We will see you in twenty twentyfour. Until then, everybody, have
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