Faisal J. Abbas the, Editor-in-Chief, Arab News joins me to talk about a YouGov/Arab News poll on how the Arab world view the US election

My guest is Faisal J. Abbas the, Editor-in-Chief, Arab News which is the Middle East's leading English language daily. We discuss the fascinating results of a YouGov/Arab News poll on “So, what do Arabs want from the next US president?”

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Episode Transcript

(00:20):
Welcome everyone to the special edition ofthe Politically Incorrect Podcast. I'm Jim Williams,
your host. We are three daysout from the final day of casting
Your Balance. In the United States, the elections course is coming up November
third week. Very likely not toknow on November fourth, fifth, or

(00:44):
perhaps even sixth who has won thepresidency. We're going to get into that
a bit later, but right nowwe're going to talk about the Middle East
and specifically an Arabnews dot com yugovpoll of what the Arab world wants to

(01:08):
see out of our president, bethat second term of Donald Trump or a
first term of Joe Biden. Andjoining us to talk about this fascinating subject
is the managing editor of the ArabNews an outstanding publication, and that of

(01:34):
course is Fossil Boss. Now Fossile. You know. One of the things
that is undeniable is that despite attimes the United States looking say it,
our relationship with China and Russia obviouslyare important, but they're seemingly to me

(02:00):
anyway, no more important area ofthe world than the Middle East, Northern
Africa, the entire region over there. Time and time again, that is
always where this country has some ofits biggest triumphs and of course some of

(02:30):
the biggest international failures. So weneed to be focused on the Middle East.
And you guys will not say anyjob there Air News. Let's talk
about your Yugov poll and what you'redoing in the air rule because we are
forever linked one hundred percent. Letme put it in the wise words of

(02:53):
my colleague and dear friend who hasnow retired, Jim Hogland, who used
to be a columnist for The Washingtonopposed to interviewed the late King Vessel of
Saudi Arabia, and he always said, Look, you can't ignore the Middle
East, because if you don't goto the Middle East, the Middle East
will come to you. And thisis true of the United States of America

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as well as the furthest country andthe other direction was just Japan. Look,
I was in Japan around summer lastyear and went back again around this
time, and I was there whenthe attack on Saudi Aramco, the terrorist
attack that affected the largest oil productioncompany in the world. And as you

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know, Japan is a net importerof energy. Forty percent of its energy
comes from Saudi Arabia. So inessence, in essence, that's nearly half
the country that would be in completeblackout. It ignored the region. So
what I'm trying to say is wedidn't choose to be in this part of

(03:59):
the world, but we cannot alsochoose the realities. It is a part
of the world that is very importantfor the rest of the planet, and
we hope that we can all worktogether to try to resolve these problems.
You know, I honestly believe thatthe relationships we have, both on a

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political basis, on a cultural basis, you know, are incredibly important.
There are so many links and youknow, you've got the YouGov poll form
coming up on Friday, which I'mvery excited about, and I look through

(04:44):
it and there's some very interesting thingsthat you want to do a little deep
dive of what you thought, andthen if you don't mind, I'll respond
to it. No, it's it'sfascinating. So in the first question,
or in the first part of theconversation, we were talking about why the
Middle East is important for the UnitedStates and the rest of the world.
UM, I think while people havedifferent points of view of who would they

(05:06):
prefer to become the next US president, and they might have their views about
kind of mishaps of US foreign policyin the past and concerns about the future.
The one finding that stands out almostunanimously from the Yuga of poll that
Arab News Commission, UM about whatwhat the Arabs want from the US election

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is that the overwhelming majority concurs thatwhoever becomes the next US president will have
a tremendous impact on the region.And UM, this is uh, you
know, this reflects the reality,um, of what what what is inside

(05:48):
people's minds and their fears and andconcerns. Um. We we are not
just you know, observers of theUnited States elections. We are direct beneficiaries
or perish the thought people who willsuffer in case the next US president gets

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advised and their foreign policy does nothelp solve the problems of the region.
Understood, if you If I may, since covering, as I said,
for covering presidents is kind of mything, UM, if I can impart
some of what I've seen here thusfar that might help your readers and listeners.

(06:38):
UM, let's start with candidate Bidenfirst. I know that there have
been some I've read the articles inyour fine publication about the trepidation about what
happens with you know, Biden administration. I think it's important to note that

(07:00):
Joe Biden was not picked by BarackObama for what traditionally is why a vice
president is picked, and that isnormally to bring a certain amount of votes,
you know, your way. Maybeit's a regional situation, maybe it's
a philosophical situation wherever. In thecase of Joe Biden and why he was

(07:27):
chosen, mean, it comes fromDelaware here in the United States, which
is a traditionally Democratic stronghold. Sohe wasn't going to bring any more of
the voters for Barack Obama. Butwhat Obama's signature program was, of course,
as we now know, now,where's the Affordable Care Act having to
do with, you know, keepingpeople in the United States healthy. Obama

(07:51):
didn't really have a good relationship withCongress. You don't really serve one term.
And then prior to him becoming heneeded Joe Biden's forty years of work
within the confines of first the Houseand then the Senate. Actually the entire

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time, he needed Joe to helpSirpa that that thing through. As far
as Joe Biden's involvement in his foreignpolicy, It was very tepid. There
wasn't that much involvement from Biden onthat particular area because again, that was
something that President Obama and his teamput together. So I think what you

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find or would find if Joe Bidenis elected is someone whose entire career is
built on coalition building. And soI think that is the kind of person
you would get. Now, whetherthat's good or bad or you know,
we don't know, but we knowthat what Joe Biden's strong suit is his

(08:58):
building elitions. And both you're inthis country and overseas, so you're you're
bound to see someone who's more flexibleon things in Joe Biden than you may
have seen in a Barack Obama orfor that matter, in President Trump.
Um. So I noticed. Youknow, one of the things that I

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believe that President Trump did that insome ways was not was kind of counterintuitive,
was by bringing the US embassy toJerusalem, he took away one of
the very few leverage points for negotiationswith Israel and the Palestinians for a two

(09:50):
states system, you know plan andyou know, to be honest, the
bu and you know that was thatwas Donald Trump being transactionally and taking the
ten million dollars that Sheldon Nielsen gavehim as a contribution and saying he wanted

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the embassy there. The embassy endedup in truthfully, So excuse me for
getting a little drink of water inour conversation. But I think that both
people coming to the region, whetherit's Biden or Trump, have pluses and
minuses. But I don't think anyoneshould be of you know, should fear

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the potential of a Biden predecency.Thank you. So, first of all,
look, I think there's a misrepresentationin a lot of the articles,
and I just have to say Ihave nothing but respect for my colleagues in
you know, the New York Times, the Washington Post, on CNN,

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and some of them are personal friendsof mine. But I do think that
there's a lot of guesswork that isgoing that you know, the Arab governments
or some of the Arab governments areworried about the prospect of a Biden administration,
and it's just simply not true.Look, most Arab governments, or

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at least rational, pragmatic people withpolitical experience, will want to work with
whatever you as administration. There is. Let us not forget. I don't
think there's any president that got asmuch support as President Obama when he first
joined. The problem with the PresidentObama era was that he set himself for

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failure because he set his expectations sohigh. Looked him. If I had
been the editor of Arab News atObama's first presidency and we had that our
partnership with the Yugov who are ourpolling agency, and we ran a poll
to find out how popular President Obamawas after the Cairo speech, I would

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guarantee you that it would be itwould go through the roof, and that
people who would want him to bepresident of their of their of their own
country. But you know, theproblem is he set expectations so high and
then not only did he not deliversolutions, but as you would see from
the kind of findings of the ofthe study that we did with Ugov,

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the majority of people that's over fiftypercent think that he left the region worst
off. And you know, thisis a region, this is not a
normal part of the world. Thisis a place of the world where there's
a lot of agony, there's alot of despair, there's a lot of
injustice. So President Obama appeared likea savior in that Cairo speech and then

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didn't deliver on them. So thatis the problem with the Obama administration,
and this is why people feel verybitter about it. It's not that they
didn't like President Obama from the beginning, or that Saudi Arabia or the United
Arab Emers does not do not likeDemocrats, not at all. I personally

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remember like the support that the Obamaadministration got at first, but it was
the ill advice that they received frompeople like Ben Rhodes, from Secretary Clinton.
And you know, I don't wantto talk because it will sound like
I'm talking about personalities or character.It isn't. It's just that you're fine,

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You're fine, don't worry. Looklook look at the results in the
region. You had American diplomats werebrutally killed in Libya. You have failed
countries that they were just about todo okay before the Arab Spring happened.
And it's sort of America's hesitation uhin uh and ill advice in terms of

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the foreign policy that left them worstoff. You know, you had the
famous scandal about the red line thatif a shot said in Syria uses chemical
weapons against his people. He willbe disciplined. And it wasn't the Obama
administration but the Trump administration who actuallydelivered on that promise. Right, No,

(14:26):
there's no yeah, go ahead.No. I did have some other
points that I wanted to that youraised that I would like to continue,
but happy for you to ask andI'll come back to them later, Okay.
Um, you know I think that, um, just to put a
button on this particularly, Um,there's nothing worse than over promising and under

(14:48):
delivery. And you know that's somethingthat happened in some regards. Um.
You can point, as you didin right place, that there was a
mixed message coming out of the WhiteHouse, and some of that had to
do with Secretary Clinton, who surprisinglywas more conservative than her husband, and

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she almost was in some regards closerto a Bush neo con than she was.
You know what Obama felt, whatPresident Obama felt was needed to pull
this Arab spring off. And sothere were many things flawed from the get
go here in the US, longbefore that plan ever was put into an

(15:39):
effect. And I think the keyis that one thing we hope, right,
we always hope that we learned fromour mistakes and I think that hopefully
we will have learned. We theUnited States will have learned from what we

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did and what we didn't do andwhat we promised or what we didn't come
through on in develiverables. But goahead the floors years or you were the
guests, tell me some of thetopics you will like to share on next.
So back to your first, wellsecond question about you know, the
prospect of a Biden presidency. AsI said, look, the findings are

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what they are. The majority ofour world think that he would be better
than for the region than President Trump. But at the same time, because
of the bitterness of the overpromising andunder delivering that noted as you know,
part of the failure of the Obamaadministration, fifty eight percent of the respondents

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would want Biden to distance himself fromObama era apolicy. And that is quite
saying. And you know, likeyou were saying, President, Vice President
Biden has a reputation to be ableto create consensus and build coalitions, which
is a great thing and something thatwe need in the region. But it

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will I think the foreign policy advisorsthat he's gonna surround himself with will make
him or break him when it comesto this part of the world, because,
like I just said, we everybodyin the Middle least genuinely believes that
Obama. President Obama had good intentions. It's just that the policies that were

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pursued and the sort of experimental kindof way that he was dealing with the
region with countries who are known tobe malign and evil quite like Iran,
for example, in the region isquite shocking, really, coming from somebody

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who is supposed to be surrounded byadvisors who are very well experienced and understand
that in the Iranian regime. Inthe Iranian regime case example, this is
a murderous regime that is unable tosee beyond its own evil ideology, spreading

(18:22):
exporting their revolution, and creating chaosin neighboring countries. You know, I
think one of the problems we havein our government here in the United States,
especially when it comes to foreign policy, we don't do enough homework.
You know. I think that,as I said when we first started this

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conversation, that sure China is important, there isn't any question about that.
How we deal with the Soviet Union, yeah, again important, but nothing
is more important than our relationships withinthe Middle East. And yet we and

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you know, I can't speak foreveryone in the United States of America.
I can always play for myself.Um, we seemingly just don't quite spend
the time in the effort necessary toget a good read on how best we
can work with you know, ourpartners and some people who aren't our partners

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in the Middle East. Look,there has been cases where America acted rationally
in a much heroic actually we remember, let's not let us not forget the
American role leadership role in liberating Kuwaitfor example. Sure, so you know

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it's not you know, every countrygets it right and sometimes gets it wrong
in terms of its foreign policy.But you know, in the wise words
of stan Lee, with great powerscomes great responsibility. That's right. Yeah,
we're talking about the number one superpowerin the world. And as the

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Arab News Yuga Poule shows, alot of people in the Middle East fully
understand that whoever comes as the USnext US president will have a tremendous impact
on what happens in the region.So, you know, it's our hope
as Arabs that whoever indeed becomes thenext president understands that this is how we
feel and understands the scale of theresponsibility. I know that American presidents are

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there to serve American interests and theAmerican people, but it is one hundred
percent in America's interest to have astable, peaceful, and prosperous Middle East.
Question, what are a couple ofitems that you find that would be
beneficial to a either incoming president JoeBiden or second term of Donald Trump.

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What are some of the issues thatthey that you feel need to be addressed
that presently either aren't being addressed orbe addressed more in depth. Look,
I know President Trump might not bevery popular among many parts of in many

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parts of the United States, butare probably as you would have seen from
the Yuga Pole itself, the decisionto move. The decision to move the
embassy to Jerusalem has been probably oneof the highest results in this agreement.
So the majority in data world disagreedwith the move. But let us also

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not discredit him where credit is due. The Trump followsy towards kind of Iran
is absolutely spot on and um forthe first time, the Iranians are feeling
the pressure, and I just hopethat whoever comes next, whether it's continuous,

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whether it's a continuous Trump administration,that the maximum pressure on Iran continues,
because it is bearing results and weare seeing we are seeing kind of
uh, we are seeing them backdown in several parts of the Middle East.
UM and UH. And if it'sa Biden administration that they don't change

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course, because that before you know, that would not just hurt us in
the region about interest as well well. And just so everybody is clear here,
I'm not I'm not cheerleading for JoeBiden. I know that President Trump's

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plans in UM, both in whathappened in Israel, which I gave him
credit for, and what he's doingin Iran, which I gave him credit
for, UM in numerous publications,of numerous articles of h and also in

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major conversations about it. UM.But the key and some of the reasons
the president is getting President Trump isgetting UM some skeptical marks in foreign policy
has zero to do with the MiddleEast. It has to do with other
issues where UM. Frankly, somethings just don't make any sense. And

(23:59):
I think that's where he's falling behindwhat the should be done. What his
essence is a bizarre look at atforeign policy, or let's just rather than
say a bit at our let's justput and say it's a very unique look
at foreign policy. And so no, I think there's a lot that can

(24:23):
be done to help the Middle Eastas long as you know, as the
old saying goes, you must listenbefore you react, and and I think
that's where we need to do.We need as a country, we need
to listen before we react. AndI think there's um, you know,

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I remember doing an interview with Generalschwartz Craft and he was talking about the
First Gulf War, and that ofcourse was under the auspices of of then
President George Herbert Walker Bush. Andwe all recall, you know, the

(25:10):
the war inside Iraq, and GeneralSchwartzkoff said that he had been informed by
the troops that they could walk literallyin two to Bagdad and and take out

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Um said now Hussein. And PresidentBush said, no, absolutely not.
That is not what we're here todo. We're here to help the region,
not to hurt the region, andregime change is not what we do.
And so Schwartzkoff pulled everybody back andthat went on. It wasn't until

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the second time we started getting inregime changes in you know what, Honestly,
I'm not so sure given our track, regime changes or a good thing
for the United States to be doing. From look, we can only judge
by the results. The results haven'tbeen good anywhere. And you know Iraq,

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Whilst we all disagree with the policiesof Saddam and I'm not an apologist
for him at all, but Ido think the United States could have done
a better job in the transition.So it gets ten out of ten for
ending the war quickly, but it'sI don't think the Bush administration was prepared

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for the day after. So youknow what came after that, you know,
vacuum created ISIS and ISIS did whatthey did, and we all know
what they did, and it's sortof not been carefully thought through. So
this is why, you know,it would not be surprising that one of

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the kind of overlooked findings of thestudy that we did with you is,
in fact, the majority in theregion think neither candidates are necessarily good for
the Middle East. Then it's PresidentBiden, then sorry, Vice President Biden,

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and then it's President Trump. Sohas been frustrations, there has been
a negative experience there's a lot ofbitterness towards the kind of mistakes American foreign
policy has done in the Middle Eastbefore. And you know, like we've

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just discussed in the previous example aboutabout Iraq, these are not small scale
outcomes. This is a massive outcomethat people are still suffering from until this
day. And again, you know, we just whatever happens less than a
week away in November three the mostimportant thing that we can do, as

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you know we are. I considermyself, you know, obviously I'm a
citizen in the United States, butI'm also a citizen in the world,
and as a citizen in the world, you want to look out and see
where people need help and why theyneed help, and how best that help

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can be delivered. And that's whyit's so important too for us to have
these conversations today and to continue thesetypes of dialogue. You can't help,
you know, people get vilified becausethey don't understand, and those of us

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in the information business, I've alwaysbeen a very big supporter of opening dialogues
so that you can understand people.You will never be able to understand.
It's even if you disagree with theperson, you need to be able to
understand their argument in such a waythat you can actually make their argument.

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And that may be the political wonkin me. I don't know, but
I do believe that for us,we all live in the same world,
Okay, we just to make ita better place for all of us.
We need that dialogue. If youstop dialogue, there's no way you can
get a good result. I'm infull agreement with you on that. And

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frankly, this is what we're tryingto do in in Arab News. Um.
You know, it's a it's atough job, it's a challenging part
of the world, but it's aresponsibility and an honor to be able to
be the main English language platform ofSaudi Arabia and the region and to play

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our part in trying to explain thecomplexities of the Arab world, the history
of these conflicts, and give aplatform for informed voices to be able to
analyze and engage in this debate.Special thanks to our special guests. Managing
editor of Arab News and of courseis Facile a bas We want you to

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read everything about what's going on inthe Middle East, and you can find
it at one place where they doit well and that, of course is
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After this word from Ford, weshall return and we'll take a look as

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Actually, I don't expect, inorder to many people, frankly, that

(33:23):
we will know who won this racebetween incumbent President Donald Trump and his challenger,
former Vice President Joe Biden. Weunlikely will know what happened on Wednesday,

(33:43):
the fourth of November. It maytake a week, it may take
ten days. Let's begin with thefact that that's not necessarily a bad thing.
We have in the age of COVID, an inordinate amount of mail in
ballots and early voting, and that'sall very important. We have banked over

(34:08):
eighty five million votes, and bythe end of the weekend that could be
closer to almost one hundred million votes. Okay, so right now, two
things we know. One we willshatter the total of people who voted in

(34:29):
twenty sixteen. And the other thingwe know is there's likely to be a
number of legal battles by both sidesafter this is all over. So let's
let's begin with the challenger formber VicePresident Joe Biden. Now, what does

(34:54):
Joe have to do two beat PresidentTrump. Well, Biden is ahead in
every poll by a minimum of fivepercent. That according to Real Clear Politics,
which does an average of all thepolls. Now we always watch Real

(35:17):
Clear Politics because they do give avery good sample of all that. So
let's take the track of Biden.Biden can win the electoral majority, which
of course is two hundred and seventyby simply caring free states. Those are
three states that President Trump, thencandidate Trump, defeated Hillary Clinton in in

(35:44):
twenty sixteen. Now you are thestates of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
If former Vice President Joe Biden carriesMichigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin,
game over. Okay, Now thoseare states that were carried by Democrats for

(36:04):
decades before twenty sixteen. Add thosethree up and again with the amount of
states which Hillary Clinton won in twentysixteen, which Biden is ahead of in
all of them by in some casesdouble digits. Joe Biden would stand at

(36:28):
two hundred and seventy nine electoral votes, which of course is nine more then
he needed. Now let's take alook at another path. Yeah, this
path will call, for the sakeof argument, south by Southwest. Now
Biden loses Pennsylvania but wins the othertwo, he would need to find eleven

(36:57):
electoral votes elsewhere. Well, thatelsewhere could be Arizona, where he is
again within the margin of error butstill ahead. They have exactly eleven.
Would be North Carolina. North Carolinaagain where it's almost stistful tie. But
if Biden pull that out, that'sfifteen votes. Again, there's that track.

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Demoscrats are particularly bullish on Arizona lastcarried a Democrat in nineteen ninety six,
but Trump won the state by threepoint five percent in twenty sixteen.
That's the smallest margin in twenty years. And this year Democratic senatorial candidates i've

(37:42):
been doing well. Let's speak specificallyformer astronaut Mark Kelly, who is running
at this point twelve points ahead ofhis competition Martha McSally in Arizona. It's
one of those bizarre situations books whereArizona and Kelly may pull Biden to victory

(38:02):
in Arizona. The other thing demographicallywe should note about Arizona is that Arizona
has been getting closer and closer tobecoming a purple and blue state, largely
because so many people from California havemigrated to Arizona, changing in many ways

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of demographics. It also has avery high Latino vote, and those are
two very good indicators for the vicepresident in the state of Arizona. Okay,
the race for North Carolina though,that that's really going to be tough.

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There is recent precedent for Democrats carryingit. Of course, Barack Obama
carried it in twenty in two thousandand eight, as well as narrowly lost
in twenty twelve and Clinton narrowly lostin sixteen. What we need to watch
for specifically in state of North Carolinawould be the vote counts in the Charlotte

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area, in the Raleigh Durham whichis called the Research Triangle area of North
Carolina, Greensboro area. Those threeareas will run up huge numbers likely for
the Democrats. It's whether in therural counties they can make up that divide.
You know. The rest is extra. You know, many have said

(39:35):
that he has a very good opportunityto pick up Texas and potentially Georgia and
or I should say, Georgia,be amazing if you picked up those too,
but I doubt that's going to happen. Those are kind of mirages at
the moment. If either Texas orfalls or Georgia falls to Biden, will
then its game set match in therace is over. You know, we

(40:00):
know about Florida here. No Floridais trending. The early vote began to
favor the Democrats. The Republicans madeup a great deal. This is a
state that hasn't been carried by morethan a point in the last five cycles

(40:21):
of president. So it's going tobe close. And as the Democrats and
the Republicans are very very close inthe vote totals which we now have,
it will in some regards come downto two things. One, they get
out to vote effort on Tuesday.Secondly, which by the way, normally

(40:45):
favors Republicans. Secondly, there hasbeen banked two million plus votes that are
votes from independence, so we don'tknow where that swing and goes. We're
looking at the Latino vote specifically inSouth Florida. There's where the Cuban vote

(41:08):
is very strongly in the Republican camp. There's a Central American vote, which
is concerned about the possibility of Bidenbeing more of a more liberal, i
should say, than the president,more progressive, and potentially they get a

(41:30):
little freaked out about the potential ofhaving some socialism of sorts, which is
a red herring. Joe Biden isnot a social But it'll be interesting how
that goes to Puerto Rican vote andthe Caribbean vote and the Central America vote
along lead the eye for quarter,which for those of you live in the

(41:51):
state of Florida, that's to Tampa, Saint Petersburgaria, going all the way
across the state to Daytona, Orlandoin the middle. Those situations will have
to see. We will actually probablyknow, since Florida is allowed to count
votes as in North Carolina, willprobably know early on where the trends are
going. But if history is youknow, is any indicator even for years

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in Florida, this might be asclose a race as it was in two
thousand when gorv. Bush was decidedby less than a thousand votes. It
could go that way. We certainlywill wait and see. Now. As
for President Trump, his path,because he's going to lose the popular vote

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by likely three to four million,by League is resting on Florida. There
is absolutely no way that President Trumpcan reach his two seventy mark without carrying
Florida. Okay, if he losesFlorida, it's over all right. So

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that's why he is really really pushingin Florida. Now. His stop Thursday
was Hillsboro County now Hillsborough County County. I grew up in It's Tampa,
and it has been traditionally very stronglya Democratic stronghold. Now Clinton beat President

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Trump by forty one thousand votes inHillsboro County in twenty sixteen. Panels County,
which is the most populous county inthe state, has voted Democratic in
twenty well twenty four if they supportedthen President Obama and Joe Biden's advice.

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But the Republicans narrowly won that racein Saint Petersburg, which is Penalis County,
Clearwater and the Beaches by just aboutfour thousand votes. So I have
to take a look and see howthat goes. Watch Hillsboro County, Watch
Pennals County, Watch Orange County,which is Orlando. Those are the key

(44:22):
I four quarter how in places tolook. Even if Trump nets Florida,
and holds the battleground states. Hewon the south and Southwest. He's still
going to be sure that twenty hegot two seventies in the electoral moot.
That's why so much as being pushedon Pennsylvania, because if he can win

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in the state of Florida, thatabsolutely man means he has got to win
in the state of Arizona, wheresbehind right now, in the state of
North Carolina, where to top usup, and in Pennsylvania, where Joe
Biden grew up and is often consideredas the joke, says the third senator

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from the state of Pennsylvania. Hewon Pennsylvania by less than thirty thousand votes
in twenty sixteen in the Philadelphia areawas considered to keep a Democrats are joining
incredibly well there. It'll be interestingto find out. Trump's argument the Pennsylvanians

(45:36):
is that Biden will be getting ridof fossil fuels, which probably he didn't
say. He simply said, withregard to fracking, that he did not
want to do any fracking on governmentland. Secondarily, Biden said that it
is important to keep fossil fuels atleast until we can begin in the transition

(46:02):
over to a green way of goingthings, And basically that means, yes,
he's not he's looking to transition outof fossil fuels, but that does
not mean transitioning out of fossil fuelsin the next three or four years.

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So even if Trump went to Floridain Pennsylvania, he's still short. Now
he knows how to win in Ohio, which is a very good possibility there
he could cobble together, you know, a series of states he won his

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twenty sixteen such as Iowa, andmaybe try to pick off Minnesota. The
more complicated route would be flicking Minnesota, Nevada, in New Hampshire that we're
given to two seventy but has onefour states they lost the first time around.

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So those are the path's best served. In places to look feel getting
through Pennsylvania on election night, lookto the suburbs around Philadelphia. See what
the numbers are there, See wherethe voting is going on in Pittsburgh.
If you're looking to the state ofMichigan, it's Detroit and the suburbs around

(47:30):
Detroit. It's in Arbor, thesuburbs around it. In Arbor it is
Flint, Michigan suburbs of that particularcity. Also the state capital, which
is East Lansing. All three ofthose areas biomings people look out for there
you're looking from Minnesota, that's reallytwo areas, Minneapolis Saint Paul twin cities

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and Kenosha, Wisconsin, which isin the suburbs of Minneapolis Saint Paul.
Those are going to be the keyareas in that race. In Wisconsin,
it's Milwaukee, it's Green Bay,it's Madison. Those are the three areas

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you should be looking at new comeelection eve or election and I should say
in Wisconsin. All right, sowe had a couple of minutes here we
could take some of your questions.Let me get to marry In Pennsylvania,
Mary asks, I voted by mail, but I'm afraid that my votes not

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get camp. Well, Mary,here's the deal. If you voted and
the postmark is prior to November three, then you have every reason along of
course, with the caveat that youfilled the ballot out right, which we're
going to assume to the moment youdid. Then despite all of the wrangling

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has been going on, you havenothing to fear that vote will be counted.
Okay, we have all right,there's a good one from John in
Jonestown, South Johannes pup sor JosephJohannesburg right South Africa. His question is

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what is the electoral college? Simplyput, each state in the United States
is running what, in essence istheir own mini version of the presidential election.
The winner, for instance, willtake we're talking about Florida. Let's
say the President Trump Queen's Florida.Well, that means it's a winner take

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all situation, and so the presidentwould get all of their votes, which
is twenty five electorial vote. Sookay, in every state, forty eight
states, I should say that's theway it works, to winner take all
deal. However, in the statesof Nebraska and also in Maine, it's

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proportional. So it's conceivably possible thata state may go for President Trump or
Vice President Biden, but there isa vote a county in the state which
did not in that vote, wethen go to. In this case,

(50:38):
let's assume let's say Biden wins forinstance, Maine. Well, if Trump
carried one of the counties in Maine, then Maine would tally up their amount
of votes one vote. We're goingto go to President Trump from you know,
the cash of votes that were givento Joe Biden. All right,

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so that's how it works. Thenumber the King never remembers two hundred and
seventy votes. There needs to betwo hundred and seventy votes to get to
that number. All right, Okay, all right, we've got time for
one more, and this one comesfrom Jerry, and he is talking about

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wherever Jerry, Jerry, you're okay, Jerry's from Toronto. Candidate Jerry um
your question, and I thank youfor all these questions. Gang. We'll
get the more. Maybe I'll doa quick podcast on Monday. Jerry's asking
what if is a contested election?Jerry, We hope a number one it's

(51:45):
not, but if there is,it will play out in the courts.
Potentially it could go to the Congress, but I don't think we're going that
far. We're certainly about to seallitigation on both sides and will come forward
doing hoping that it doesn't take morethan a week to get this thing done.

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But we'll see. I think,as I said before, there's a
very good possibility it will end upin the court. But you know how
many states are up for grams inthat regard. We'll find out, but
hopefully not many. All right,folks, if you're going out and voting
on Tuesday, be prepared to staya long line. Bring a book,

(52:28):
bring lunch, you know, bringsomething you're going to want to be able
to be comfortable out there, sociallydistanced for your masks, and by all
means, if you see something,meaning, if you see voter intimidation from
either side, by all means,report it as soon as you see it.

(52:50):
Okay. We do not want peopleto be deterred from voting simply because
there are some outside agitators who maywish to do that. So if you
see something, say something, beprepared to stay in long lines. Understand
that every state in the United Statespolls will stay open as long as there

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are people standing in line. Soif you get there, and you get
there before the deadline be at seveno'clock or radio clock, depending on where
you live, your vote must becounted and your vote must be able to
be registered if you were on siteat that point in time. Okay,
So remember all that. All right, Well, it's been an amazing rush

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up to November third. We wishyou all the best. Be safe,
stay well, socially existance where yourmasks, and we'll be here to count
the votes. So by all means, it's been a pleasure. It always
is. We will see you nextweek. We're actually potentially earlier than that

(54:00):
for a podcast. Next week we'lltalk about to a post mortem of what
has happened thus far and likely betalking about any slowing down and counting of
votes, any improprietaries. All that. I mean next week we're going to
at least have some live updates andlive coverage of the event, of course,

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starting at five o'clock on this comingTuesday night. So have one last
enjoyable weekend. If early voting isgoing on in your state, biomins take
advantage of it and gets to restrelaxed, because it's gonna be a long,

(54:46):
oh say, week and a halfas we get ready for the counting
of votes a campaign twenty twenty.I'm Jim Williams for the entire team here
at the Politically Incorrect Podcast. Iwish you all safe and happy and most

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of all healthy Halloween weekend. Takecare phones, Bye bye,