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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good day everyone, you are listening to the Power Hour.
Alan Meyer's back, happy to be joined by Douglas the Gibbs. Deggie,
how you doing today, doing fantastic, excellent. Well for the
first five minutes, we're gonna have a little intro to
what we're going to talk about today. And I noticed
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in the news recently that in Pennsylvania the Supreme Court
turned away a challenge to a Biden administration executive order
that is intended to boost voter registration. That executive order
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is fourteen zero one nine, and it was issued on
about March seven, twenty twenty one, And apparently the justices
of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court did not comment in rejecting
the appeal from Republicans who claim the order is unconstitutional,
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is an unconstitutional attempt to interfere in the November election,
and the lower courts have dismissed the lawsuit. Doggie, before
we get in, just so people know who you are,
because we're gonna get heavy into this little self promo. Women,
are you also mister Constitution?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You can funny you should bring up a constitutional topic
with mister Constitution. Douglas H. Gibbs dot com And I've
got lots to say about this one, so you set
it up nicely, and yes, the lawsuit was correct. It's
not constitutional. The executive order is not constitutional. But now
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that I've given away the ending.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Anyway, how long just for everybody's knowledge, you do you
give classes in person now also online. You have been
studying the Constitution of the United States for how long?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Since I was just a kid. Actually, I'm self taught.
I own over four thousand books a good probably close
to half of them on history and or the Constitution.
And so if anybody has read just about everything about
the Constitution, especially original documents, that would be me.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Well, just because most people won't know how old you are,
so saying that you've been studying this since a kid,
could we have some decades here?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Decades decades going back to the seventies. Of course, my
grandchildren to convince I know so much because I was
there in history.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
But hey, you know, yeah, it's possible, all right, So
maybe you've got four years at this topic. Yeah, more
than that, Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Fifty fifty years on this. I've been working on this
stuff for half a century. I've been reading this stuff
for half a century.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Thank you. That gives and the reason to do that
is when people talk about that they know the Constitution,
they studied the Constitution, it helps, I think for the
listeners to know the background.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, that's what I do. I give context, And when
I teach my classes, I literally go line by line
through the Constitution, give full context of what it means,
what it's about, why it was written the way it was,
what was going on on the historical scene at the time,
and so on and so forth. So I'm not just
going to say yeah and be done with it. There's
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so much more to the answers than meets the eye.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Often so do you think the founders, the framers, they
were actually thinking when they wrote the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's amazing that we had such a collection of such
brilliant minds all at once.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And for those who and Doug, you can always correct
me if I get this wrong. For those who may
not know, and it's important to know the backdrop. The
Constitution was crafted in seventeen eighty seven in Philadelphia in
the summer for four months. They banged on the doors
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with each other for over four months in the heat,
with the windows and the doors closed.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Have you ever been to Philadelphia during the summer with.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
The humidity, they did not wait a minute, didn't it
turn on the air conditioning? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And they're wearing wool clothing in there have blacked wigs on.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The anyway, It's it's just important to know how seriously
they all took.
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We are live and alive.
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And I'm gonna say this for both of us, even
though I have not checked in with Doug on this,
we are both happy to be alive. Would you say that.
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Doug to be alive.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Now what you said, I did say that?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, well, yeah, usually that's the case.
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Speaker 2 (07:34):
I write in Old English?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Is that it? Okay? Well that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I tell what the way the people looks like. You know,
that's what my numbers look like.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It takes it takes time to get this thing done perfectly.
Before we get into Executive Order fourteen zero one nine,
I want to give a little backdrop. I'll make a
few common stug. I want to hear you. My understanding
about executive orders is that there is nowhere in the constitution.
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Remember the contract, the contract that created the federal government. Now,
did the federal government exist before the Constitution was ratified?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Not the constitutional federal government. No, there was a government.
It was some people called it a federal government, but
it was under the articles Confederation but the states created
this federal government that we have today through the Constitution,
through their delegates that met in seventeen eighty seven, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And there are three branches of the government legislative, executive,
and judicial. Legislative was the only one given the power
to create laws, make laws. Executive branch was to execute
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the law laws, and judicial was to apply the laws.
Is that pretty close?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
See, I've been listening to you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Once in a while. Yeah. Well, and and and you
know you said create the laws. And this is key
because the power of government begins with the ability to
make law. The power of government is law. And so
the authorities flow through Congress, the two houses and an
Article one, Section one, it says that all legislative powers
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here in granted shall be vested in a Congress h
Legislative powers are not just ability to create law, but
to modify law and to strike down law. And in
that clause, the word vested being used means that it's exclusionary.
Only the legislative branch can has that power and irrevocable.
They can't just give away that power that it belongs
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to them and it is theirs, and they can't give
it away. Then you got the president who ex acutes
the laws. They have to be made first. If they're not,
if the laws don't exist, they can't be executed. And
then of course the judicial branch who applies the laws.
Once again, law can't be applied unless it's been created
in the first place, so law has to exist for
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the other two branches to even have a job. All
the power begins with the legislature. And that's key in
what we're getting ready to talk about.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You you got to write where I wanted to talk about,
which was vested. This is again, I'm new to all this,
not like Doug who's been doing this for three hundred years.
I Vested never meant a whole lot to me until
I started getting into this, and now I understand how
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absolutely powerful that word is.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
It's probably one of the most important words in the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Which which is another way of saying this. The States
are saying to con we are giving you this power,
we're vesting it with you. We're giving it to no
one else, no thing else. It is only yours and
you cannot give it away. Is it pretty close?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Close?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Okay, So now we're going to get to y'all can
look this up online. You can get a copy of it.
It's actually a really long executive order. I don't know
how long it took Biden to her to type this
one up. It is Executive Order fourteen zero one nine
and it is on promoting access to voting. Okay, this
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is the opening line, and I want to talk about
this again. By the authority vested in me. Remember this
is signed and I looked at the at the end
of it. It's signed by Joseph R. Biden Jr. By
the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
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and the laws of the United States of America. It
is hereby ordered as follows.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, he used that wonderful word vested and invested is
also a transfer of power or transfer of authority. So
somebody gave him that power. If he's going to use
that word from his point of view, I means he
actually has that power. That's beside the point.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
What authority is vested in the President of the United
States by the Constitution to create laws or orders.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Now, what's vested in the president is the ability to
execute the executive power. Says so at the very beginning
of Article two Section one that the executive powers are
vested in a president. Executive powers mean the power to
execute a law. Therefore, an executive order is not going
to have They're not going to be legally binding in
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the sense that they create law, modify law, or or
repeal law there for the purpose of a executing the
law or b making a proclamation. And when I say
executing the law in other words, sending instructions to the
executive branch in writing, because Founding fathers want everything in
writing in writing on how to apply the law, well,
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execute the law. And the term executive orders didn't even
exist back during the Founding Executive orders did exist. They
were called proclamations. Thanksgiving proclamation by George Washington was an
executive order, but everybody was not ordered by law to
celebrate Thanksgiving. It's a proclamation. Hey, this is something we
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ought to do, but it's not legally binding a proclamation.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
A proclamation being something in the order of I really
like this idea and I want to share it with
America like that. Yeah, I can't force you to do it.
You're not forced. You're not going to be forced to
do it. But this is something we can all share
in I the top executive of the federal government. I'm
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making this statement to the people. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
There's a lot of famous proclamations, and one of them
I like to use is one of Ronald Reagan's, which
established the National Day of Prayer. It's a proclamation. You're
not required to get on your knees on the day
of prayer or be arrested. It's a proclamation. And that's
what executive orders are. Proclamations or once again, instructions to
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the executive branch and how to execute a law. But
the law has to exist. So first of all, we
have to ask ourselves when it comes to Biden's executive order.
Here is a does the law already exist? And b
if it does, does that law exist legally and constitutionally.
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There is no constitutional authority for the federal government, by
the way, to get involved in registering voters. That's a
local issue that's up to the states and all of that.
First of all. Second of all, the law doesn't exist,
So that means he's trying to create law or create
an order with his executive order. He has no such authority.
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It's unconstitutional.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Wait a minute, you're telling me the president of the
United States of America today cannot say something and by
the fact that he says it or writes it down,
it doesn't become law.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You mean mandates.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
No, that's crazy. And if so, that means you and
can Congress pass a law that would actually not follow
the Constitution and have that law be legal.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
The Constitution is a fascinating document. We have a federal
government that's limited. Our government is unlike any government in
the world in the rest of the world, the central
governments or national governments, they are at the top. They
control everything. They have the authority over everything ours does
not only what's in the Constitution enumerated would be the
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proper term in the Constitution, Do they have power over
There will be some that might argue that there's some
powers that are implied and implied law. Ye power that
And there's a lot of tyrannical personalities out there who
love to use that. It's a bad interpretation. Now, I'm
not going to get too much into that. From the
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founding follow's point of view, if the federal government is
to have an authority, it must be expressly enumerated on
the pages of the Constitution, either the first articles or
in a subsequent amendment.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
To that point, we'll get into fourteen zero one to nine,
which is for those who have their handy pocket Constitution
you want to go to there you go. His looks
much better than mine.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So I've got the I've got the National Center for
Constitutional Studies one.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, I have a used one. Anyway. The thing that's
important is that if you want to know what the
federal government, what powers were given to the legislative branch,
because it's in Article one, you go to Article one,
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Section eight. That's it. And as Doug said, those are
the enumerated powers. Now, how serious we're the founders on
the framers on this being very limited, and some people
find the first some of the first ten amendments to
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be kind of redundant because it's already in the Constitution.
I actually like them, and I don't mind it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Thereof, and then we'll explain that in a sect. I
don't well, in other words, what he's saying when he
says already in the Constitution, he said, well, no, there's
nothing about guns before that. So but what was it
saying shall not be in French? If guns are not listed,
then already shall not be in French that's what he means.
There's nothing in the Constitution for seven articles that gives
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the federal government authority to pass law reguarding religion or
to establish a church. First, Mimic says, Congress shall make
no law. It was already not allowed. It's just that
the Bill of Rights doubles down and make sure that
it's in plain English. Congress shall make no law, shall
not be infringed, shall not be violated. Wonderful language like that.
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It's interesting because a lot of people think the Bill
of Rights grants rights. No, it tells the federal government
hands off our rights. God granted our rights to us.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Thank you for that. The one that really hits home
on this area. And I'm going to read it because
it's really short, the Tenth amend If you if people
are listening today and they're thinking, well, maybe maybe not
da da daa, this is what the Tenth Amendment is.
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to
the States respectively or to the people. The powers not
delegated to the United States by the Constitution. That to
me is really bringing it home. If you if you
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the government were not give it granted that these powers,
given these powers, you don't have them. And one of
the biggest lies of all time for me is implied powers.
No means no, It doesn't mean Trying.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To imply powers opens the door to interpretation.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yes, and who likes to do broad interpretation.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Supreme Court, Supreme Courts, the Supreme Court, the federal courts,
and pretty much everybody who thinks that they are a
political scholar.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, so now we get into I think that sets
the framework, which is executive orders if they're not really
in the constitution, but it was understood. The first one
written by George Washington was from he the President of
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the United States, to the to the executive branch, Hey,
what are you guys doing? Help me out.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Executive orders are defined in the Constitution in the sense
that it tells us what the executive is allowed to
do and not allowed to do. He's not allowed to
make a law, so executive order then cannot make law.
He is allowed to instruct the executive branch how to
execute the laws of union, because his job is to
execute the laws of union. Therefore, that would be a
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characteristic of an executive order.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Which means this executive order, if it applies to anyone,
it applies to the executive branch, and that's it. It
doesn't apply to the States, it doesn't apply to Congress, judicial,
and it absolutely doesn't apply to we the people. Yet
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when these come out or mandates come out, people just
are kind of instructed to just bow down.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And I would say this, if I'm the President of
the United States and I can issue an executive order
or mandate and everyone in the country has to follow it,
Am I the president?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Sounds more like a king.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm the King. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well, and James Madison And funny, I would bring this
guy up because he's kind of father of the Constitution.
Who James James Madison, Yeah, fourth President of the United States.
Miss almost I'm mister Constitutions. But father of the Constitution
took great notes during the Convention which I studied, and
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and he's also one of the authors of the Federalist Papers.
The Federals Papers, Hamilton and John Jay were the original authors,
and Hamilton authored most of them were essays directed at
New York to convince New York to ratify the Constitution.
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But the problem is Hamilton had this reputation as a
big government minded guy, and he needed a counterbalance when
it came to the writers to create a little I
don't know, comfort by some of the readers. So he
asked James Madison to write some of the papers. James
Madison being recognized as father Constitution, a guy who believed
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in limited government, so on and so forth, and in
Federalists forty five, I think Madison nails it best. What
he wrote was the powers delegated by the proposed Constitution.
Powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal goverment
are few and defined. There's not many, and they're defined,
they're listed, it's obviously there. Those which are to remain
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with the state governments are numerous and indefinite. The former,
the federal government, will be exercised principally on external objects
as or peace, negotiation and foreign commerce, with the last
which lasts the power taxation, will for the most part
be connected. The powers reserved the several states will extend
to all objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs
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concerned the lies, liberties, and properties of the people, and
the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the state. So
in other words outside stuff, stuff that affects the union,
trade with other countries, stuff like that. If it influences,
if it has something to do with the Union, then
that's a federal authority. If it has nothing to do
with the Union, it's internal, it's about our lives in
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inside our state, the improvement and prosperity of our state,
then it's a state power. It's none of the federal
comments business.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You either did that from memory or you read really well.
That was beautiful, and it's just for me. It's very
important to understand the backdrop to this, which they were serious.
They had just finished or recently finished war or with
the tyrant of tyrants at the time, Great Britain.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
There's model war against big government. They weren't about to create.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
One, right, And if you look at some of the amendments,
those amendments were to me specifically because what they endured
with Britain when they were colonies and during the and
what they fought against as states. As I said, I
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gave you the opening line, by the authority vested to
me as president by the Constitution, there is no authority.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Vested not to order people around, no right.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
The first section, and I'm going to read part of this.
We can talk about it again. We're not going to
probably get through all of it, but the upshot will
be there. The purpose of this EO, the right to
vote is that. And I'm going to stop myself as
soon as I get through this for sentence. The right
to vote is the foundation of American democracy, Doug.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I'm somebody muttered democracy to me on a show. I
pounded my fist on my desk and all of my
equipment went blank. So I'm going to refrain bank you
from that now. And democracy is not just the key.
Read that passage again. I want everybody to get to
sink in and let's break it down.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
The right to vote.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Stop. The right is something given to you by God,
and it cannot be taken away. It cannot be adjusted,
it cannot be denied. It is your right voting. And
I know they use the word right. We believe it's
a right. It is a privilege. It is a privilege
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of citizenship. If you're not a citizen, you can't do it.
If it was a right, you could do it no
matter who you were. It is a privilege of citizenship.
It is a privilege of also being a good citizen.
If you're a felon, you're not supposed to be able
to vote if you're you know, and and the list
goes on and on and on. So once again, I've
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never liked and I know it says that the Constitution
in like four places with amendments the right of the
citizens to vote. It's and you know who agrees with
me is bush Rod Washington. He was a member of
the United States Supreme Court and the nephew of George Washington.
And he actually wrote a pamphlet about the difference between
rights and privileges. And guess where he listed voting under privileges.
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Now that's now so so first of all, let's just
get that and said, okay, now I'll move on.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Ante just to highlight this, I get to four, I
get through four words of a five page document and
at break and it's already and it's already are we
at break?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Just about?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Oh? Okay, well, no, the point is, because I haven't
heard the news you get the right to vote is wrong.
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Looks like we are back. Alan Myers here, Douglas V.
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Keep in mind we have a call in number and
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glad Day. So we got through the first four words
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of the first line, and I mean give the fact
that the intro was wrong. With authority vested. There's no
right to vote, as you clearly stated, it is simply
a privilege granted citizenship.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Privilege of citizenship. You hear what I'm saying, right, folks. Yeah,
all those undocumented democrats are not allowed to vote. Yeah,
or the dead ones or all the dead people.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, okay, so continue whether or not you.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Can register your dogs. I guess that's different.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Calling number is triple eight four two nine fifty four
to seventy one. Triple eight four two nine fifty four
seventy one.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That's a new number. Okay, yes, it is the one
I had with that I gave was on a sheet. Anyway,
we're going to continue. So the right to vote does
not exist, but apparently it again we're still in the
first sentence. Here is the found foundation of American democracy, Okay.
To me, to me, I'm gonna I'm gonna put my
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two bets in and then you can have at it.
The foundation of this country is the contract, the Constitution,
not voting. Voting is a way of you to participate
in in the government in the country. But to me,
it's not the foundation. It's the document's foundation. And then
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we get to that that four letter what I call
the four letter word democracy. Okay, America was created, the
United States of America was created to be a republic,
not a democracy. And when people and how many people,
whether they're in office running for office, they're in media.
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They keep using this word like as if it applies
to this country, and it doesn't. You're familiar with the Constitution, right,
Pretty familiar?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, pretty familiar.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Okay, help me out here, because you know I'm slow
on this. How many places? How many times in the
Constitution as amended is the word democracy?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You say? Zero?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Then how can we beat the American democracy? Oh?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, maybe it's in the Declaration of Independent No. In fact,
the word democracy only. The only time it shows up
in most of the Founder's writings is when they want
to disparage democracy, our system. Our Constitution was written. One
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of the key factors, one of the key principles in
that document is the proper distribution of power. And power
is a fascinating thing. What's Pelosi's new book, Oh, the
Art of Power. Certain people think about power all the time.
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Power can be easily miss abused, and misapplied. So the founders,
recognizing that in the history, power is a danger if consolidated,
they sought to distribute that power. So they didn't want
too much power in the hands of the president, or
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too much power in the hands of Congress, or too
much power in the hands of the judges. Too much
power in the hands of the federal government or the
state governments, and believe it or not, too much power
in the hands of the people. Democracy puts all power
into the vote, and typically what that means is the
population centers. That's where most of the people are have
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their way, and as Jefferson put it, where fifty one
percent can vote away the rights of the other forty
nine percent. And the reality is that tyranny tends to
emerge rise out of population centers. Population centers telling farmers
how to farm is generally not a good idea, So
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they wanted to make sure those farmers and the rural
areas and part of the places that were not concentrated
in a population center had also some power. And in
a democracy, rural areas and other areas outside of population
centers don't have much power, don't have much voice. So
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the key was to create mechanisms, checks and balances and
republican and I mean republican as in being a republic
not party republican characteristics of our system so that the
minority voice was a strong voice and could stand against
the powerful voice, the democratic voice in the cities.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Just to add some of this, I pulled up some
of my quotes that I've logged in on what the
founders thought of democracy, and I think this should be fun, okay,
And I'm just going to reread a few Okay. Then
we'll get into the Executive Order, which already I think
we've trashed because it has no foundation in the constitution.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Front bumper screwed up? What do you think the rest
of the car looks like?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Not good? This is a this isn't A letter from
John Adams to John Taylor, April fifteenth, eighteen fourteen. Remember,
democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.
There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
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What do you think?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
If I want to look it up for those who
want to look it up, that's John Taylor of Caroline,
And yeah, it doesn't sound very like he was very
favorable towards democracy.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
From John Marshall and Doug Knows, I am not a
fan of him, but I still neither am I But
go ahead, between a listen to the words here, between
a balanced republic and a democracy. The difference is like
that between order and chaos.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No punches.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Thomas Paine, A democracy is the vilest form of government.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
There is that's painful to hear.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
That is, and this is really something and I'll leave
it at this one. Again. I'm not a big fan
of Hamilton's, but this comes from him. We are now
forming a republican form of government. Real liberty is not
found in the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments.
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If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon
shoot into a monarchy or some other form of dictatorship.
A real disease is democracy.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
That quote speaks to something that's very critical here. Democracy historically,
every time, not some of the time, not most time,
every time has been a transitional government. It transitions the
system from that of a whatever it was, to an oligarchy,
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to a place where a powerful few control the many.
It leads to socialism, communism, monarchy, theocracy, or whatever other
oligarchical system is on the horizon. It is tyranny. Democracy
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always leads to tyranny always. It is a transition, transitional system.
Republics historically stand the longest. Of course, even republics, often
because of human nature, ultimately become oligarchies, become tyrannies. But
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you know, Roman Empire is a great example. Began as
kingdom and then there was a Roman republic. But eventually
even that republic succumbed to tyranny and became the Roman Empire.
But it took a very long time because of that
republican foundation.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Thank you for that. Though. Continuing on, I think we've
I think we pretty much trashed the first line of this.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I think we just created a new group of people
who suddenly don't like the word democracy.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Well, yeah, it's I mean to me, it's a four
letter word. All right, Free and fair elections that reflect
the will of the American people must be protected and defended. Okay,
but whose job is it to protect and defend? Is
it the federal government? Is it the states, the counties,
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the people? Who is it? Doug?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Well, it's interesting because that hinges on this idea that
has bubbled up over the last century. One person, one vote,
and on the surface that sounds wonderful until once again
you understand the nature of democracy, free fair elections. If
they were free and fair and they were following the law,
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they would do things like check ID at the voting booth.
So it's really a play on words.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
The Okay, I'm going to keep reading, and I'm probably
just going to get to the first paragraph actually the
purpose of this, But many Americans, especially people of color,
confronts significant obstacles to exercising that fundamental right we've already
talked about. It's not a right, it's a privilege.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Well, and also what obstacles, Well, there are no obstacles
other than go get an id I'm gonna tell you
right now with and everybody has an idea. Everybody knows
how to check the box. Everybody understands you need to
be registered in order to vote. So basically, what is
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being said there is actually a negative chop at the
face of those who they consider to be quote unquote minorities.
And I don't even like the idea of identity politics.
Why are you singling out groups, mister president. Aren't we
all just Americans?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Well, what non Americans vote too? I guess according to ye.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
But anyway, these obstacles include difficulties with are you sitting
down deck? Hold, I'm suiting okay. These these include difficulty
with voter registration, lack of election information, and barriers to
access at polling places.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
This is it. The eighteen seventies or the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
For generation, Black voters and other voters of color have
faced discriminatory policies and other obstacles that disproportionally affect their communities.
These voters remain more likely to face long lines at
the polls and are disproportionately burdened by voter identification laws.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I second, Now, if voting is so difficult, if they
don't know where to go, they don't know how to
do it, then how is it they're burdened with long
lines of the polls?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Well, you see there.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
If nobody knows what to do, how is there a
long line?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Well? Wait a minute, does this have to make sense? Uh?
I remember seeing a video and I forget that. He's
a frequent person out in the media, and he went
to Berkeley to talk to people there, yes, mostly white,
were all white, and and to talk about you know,
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voting and everything, and oh, you know, you know, getting
this idea. It's so hard. They don't know where the
DMV is. Oh they you know, they may not know
how to access.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
The white the white leftist, liberal, progressive common uh Democrat
voters of Berkeley.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Then he went to Harlem and talked to the people.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
All those disenfranchised people who are suffering from all of
that different bigoted racism, right right.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
And I'm looking and I'm looking at the expressions and
what these people are saying in the video. And this
one guy goes the d MD is eight blocks that way,
a lady.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
And it's funny because the way Amy does this says
done ID. Well, yeah, everybody, does you know how to
use a computer? Well, yeah, even a kid does. They're
like confused. He said, well, there's people in Berkeley saying,
you know, you don't know what are you talking about?
That's and I love this. They say that's ignorant.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
So you get the idea that Then.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
They asked him, hey, what do you think about ID?
And they're like, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Well, just just out of curiosity. If if you're if
you're a young looking person and you want to go
into a facility that sells alcohol open, do you have
to show ID? Yeah? Mm hmm. If you're driving a
car and you get pulled over, are you supposed to
(47:57):
have ID? Yeah? It's just it's ridiculous. The now this
you can speak to members of our military serving overseas,
as well as other American citizens living abroad also face
(48:17):
challenges to exercising their fundamental right to vote. Once again,
it's not a right, it's a privilege. Do people in
the military overseas have a problem based on your time
in the navy.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Well, they're not as polite as we are. They don't
stand in line as nicely. But now I want to
I want to go back to something that you just
said a moment ago. I want to give you a
list here, a valid ID not required voting. Here's a
quick list of things in which a valid idea is required.
And notice that a lot of these things are from
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those neighborhoods. Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Wait a minute, do we have time for this whole list?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh yeah, it's a short list, but it gives it
drives home. Valid ID required boarding a plane, applying for
a job, cashing a check, food stamps, driving, getting married,
adopting a pet, buying alcohol. I think that says it all.
(49:25):
But valid ID not required voting? Hm, what's on that
list is the most important thing when it comes to
the future of our country?
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Voting?
Speaker 2 (49:36):
But no ID? Why because they want, once again, the
undocumented individuals coming across the border to also participate. And
also that well, I tell people. We have a zombie apocalypse.
Every two years the dead rise to vote.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Say that list again, I want people to really notice.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Please, Yeah, very good. All right, So once again, valid
ID required boarding a plane, applying for a job, cashing
a check, food stamps, driving, getting married, adopting a pet,
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buying alcohol.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
There's one other thing where we're a different type of
ID is required, and that is go to you go
to apply for a job. Like you're saying you have
to have an ID, you also need something else because
if you're going to be employee, you're going to be
paid wages and your employer is going to withhold money,
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so you have to have a Social Security number, which
is another form of ID. Okay, our life is riddled
with the requirement to have identification, and they're saying that, well.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
It races to require those people to have an ID.
Go back to Ami Horowitz, Do you have an ID
on you? Well? Yes, I do. Everybody does.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Well, of course you do. I drive a car, I
buy alcohol.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Well, even if you don't drive a car or I
mean I for a while because of medical issues, my
driving privilege was actually suspended for a little while. So
what I do? Because I needed to be able to
function in society. I went and got a ID, a
state issued ID that wasn't a driver's license. They have those, yes,
but even if you don't drive, well, yeah, but gosh, Doug,
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do you know how to get one? Yeah? You walk
into the DMV and say, hey, I like a ID,
and they say, okay, do you have this document in
that document? And if you don't have them, you can
go to another place to get those documents, like you know,
a pirth certificate, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Right, the whole the whole premise or the or the
purpose of this this EO, which is again extremely long,
is that.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
They're saying there's no place to get people to vote
who doesn't normally vote, to make sure people are getting registered,
not because they can't because they haven't.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
The whole it's it's a it's the problem doesn't exist,
number one. Not the way they're being laid out too.
Is this a federal issue or a state issue?
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Authority in the constitution for the federal g'ment to be
involved in this.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
So it's a state issue.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
And and ultimately right, you know, going out of the
way to encourage people to register and vote, that's up
to the parties and groups and things like that. It's
not the government, and it's lopsided because the ware they're
putting the money based on this executive order are in
places that lean a certain way politically. Need I say
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which party?
Speaker 1 (53:07):
No, So that is that's the purpose. We'll talk about policy.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Well, it's election interference, is what it is. It's election influence.
You know the stuff they accuse their opponents.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Of, right because you know, the whole idea behind this
is they want to eliminate discrimination and other barriers to voting.
We're not in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
This isn't eighteen seventies. This isn't the nineteen sixties. This
isn't what we saw there in the nineteen twenties and
thirties where or poll taxes or things like this. It's
not going on anymore.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
This isn't interesting. And we'll end with this because we're
about to run out of time. It is this is
policy Section two. It is the policy of my administration
that's Biden to promote and defend the right to vote.
We've already talked about it's not a right for all
Americans who are easily entitled to participate in elections. Got
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that one, right, but.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
He's also saying it's a privilege. By saying that, well
a minute, I thought it was a right chirst. He
did throw the word entitled in there, well, I mean,
and essentially he's right, But the word entitled usually means
government's going to give you something.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
But you know, uh, it is the responsibility of the
federal government to expand access to and education about voter
registration and election information and to combat misinformation in order
to enable all eligible Americans to participate in our democracy.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Combat misinformation, in other words, violate the First Amendment and
tell you you're not allowed to have for a speech if
you disagree with.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Them, right, well, and and to participate in our democracy? Now,
isn't that misinformation?
Speaker 2 (55:13):
We see the or democracy so much even I'm starting
to get confused. I I flip on the TV. Democracy
twenty twenty four up on the screen, real big and
everybody now be ready to participate in your democracy? Makes
me want to puke.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
So in the in the in the section where they
want to combat misinformation, they actually give misinformation.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
Right, and it's misinformation and disinformation. To disagree with their
misinformation and disinformation.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Well, let's hope. So we only have a couple minutes left.
I want to again. We'll keep talking until we hear
the music. But Doug, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
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