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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, welcome, Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another edition of
The Power Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm your guest host, filling in doctor a true odd. Yeah,
here in the mountaintops of the Wasatche Peaks in beautiful Utah,
coming to you live, folks. It's a pleasure. It's a
privilege and pleasure to fill in again. I've been such
a fan of The Power Hour myself, with going back
(00:33):
to the formations of the show with Joyce Riley. My goodness,
what a what a long standing heritage that's that's been
there and continues on, and so I'm just pleased to
fill in and do what I can, folks. Yeah, we can.
I appreciate that it's important to go into headlines and
to see what's happening across the board, but you know,
(00:55):
most people listening to this, to the show, I perceive
and I believe, to be fully awake in a lot
of ways. So we'll kind of forego with a little
bit of the headlines and just come back to what
I think personally is probably the most important topic to consider,
(01:17):
and that is what are we living in as far
as a government. Are we living in a republic or
a democracy or even an oligarchy, rule of the elite,
what's really going on in America? And I think we can,
you know, I personally think it's most important to talk
(01:41):
about that those definitions and understand exactly what it was
our founding fathers framed after they routed the British, as
we are told in the history books, when Cornwallace surrendered
and corn Wallace evidently said, well, you can form your
(02:01):
own government, and in fact they wanted to have a
republic of the people, by the people, and for the people.
But there came a Cornwallis was mocking. He says, it's
fine if you can hold it, if you can hold
on to what you're doing, really good. And that's became
the challenge framing the Constitution, getting thirteen colonies to come together,
(02:27):
to everybody to kind of understand the common good, the
common goal, and define what is a republic versus a democracy. So,
my goodness, it's really not and I repeat not, if
(02:48):
you understand history, and if you understand the actual words
that were spoken in debate and the thirteen Colonies and
the Congressional the Institutional Convention, the first one, you have
to understand what there was being forged out of nothing.
Really being forged the basis of what we have today
(03:11):
or should have today, I should say, folks, we seem
to get all caught up and wrapped up in the
rhetoric that we have the right to vote, we have
the right that we believe, Oh golly, to go in
there to the pulling booths and pull push some buttons,
(03:34):
pull some some knobs, maybe punch of a couple of
things on a ballot, and say we've done a good job.
We might get a little sticker that says I voted
with a little red, white and blue sticker and make
you feel good about it. But is that really what
a republic is? Is that really even what a democracy is? Today? Well,
(03:56):
I wanted to go into too this topic. We had
a special guests schedule today. I don't see that he's
hooked up for whatever reason. We'll try to bring him
in if he does. Here in Utah. There's an amazing
story that I think has national even international implications on
what really is the form of government we live under. Okay,
(04:18):
we if you understand the process and all ladies and gentlemen,
and hopefully you know we we can just talk about
the basics we go through in most instances. Historically, the
grassroots is what really chooses the candidates, not some big
(04:40):
smoky backroom ball you know, room filled with billionaires or
multi millionaires of the case, maybe big party bosses. Now
it really should begin at the grassroots, the levels where
your friends and neighbors all gathered together to choose who
(05:00):
what's called delegates to what a state convention. Now it
could be a two two party or even a three
party form. Historically, okay, you go through the origins of
Republican Party so called, and the Democratic Party. But back
in the day, there were Whigs, there were anti Masonic parties,
(05:24):
there were all of these that just basically gathered together
to exercise the grassroots wheel of the people, of the people,
by the people, for the people. Those words again, infamous
words that Abraham Lincoln uttered at the battlefield of Gettysburg,
(05:49):
the Gettysburg Address, very short, very sweet, but very powerful.
That this Republic of the people, this government, this Republic
of the people, by the people, for the people, shall
not perish from the earth. I submit. That's what so
many patriots and people have bled and died for since
(06:11):
the Revolution, since the Civil War, to defend that republic
from a government folks of the people, by the people,
for the people. So important to understand the difference in
the concepts of what exactly is a republic versus a democracy. Now,
(06:32):
if we get Phil Lyman on the phone, it'll be
great to segue into his story, but let me just
kind of give you an overview. Hopefully he will have
him on explaining what's really going on from the horse's mouth,
first person, not hearsay. Phil Lyman's story is amazing. He
began to understand as a county commissioner in a rural
(06:59):
county of Utah, a rural county that's dominated by the
federal government in the Bureau of Land Management for his service,
where there's over ninety percent of the land owned by
the federal government, not the people. It's a bureaucracy, and
so he is a kind of commissioner he has to
(07:19):
come to say, well, I represent the people, not the land,
not the deer, not the elk, not the birds, but
the people. That's what we do as in a county
commissioner status. And he was just amazed because there was
so much federal bureaucracy, a dictating policy above and beyond
(07:44):
the power of the count of commissioners, which represent the people.
So that's where it began to realize there is a
problem that needs to be addressed, federal overreach that seems
to dictate to the people, not the other way around.
Phil has had the belief that government, and whether it's
(08:09):
federal bureaucracy or state bureaucracy or even county they are
subservient to the people. They are the servants, not the
masters of the people. But that became pretty readily apparent
that there was something, some problem. The wheel is not
running the way it should be. So he began to
(08:30):
be very much active in telling the people, listening to
people's voice, and advocating for the people. And so he
organized a protest against some of the overreach of the
BLM in the form of just riding on county roads,
county maintained county roads, not government. These are back roads
(08:55):
of the area of Landing Utah, Red Rock, beautiful country
by the way, and he was immediately because there's nothing
trespassing against riding on county maintained roads. They never went
off road at all. And yet five months after this
(09:16):
he was notified that he was to be under arrest
and charged with the conspiracy against the government okay for trespass.
Long story short, Phil Lyman was ended up being fully
arrested and had to serve ten days in jail a
hardcore facility awaiting a resolution of the case and over
(09:39):
four hundred thousand dollars in legal fees. Later, he was
basically committed of a misdemeanor and as Trump was leaving office.
As President Trump was leaving office in twenty ten, he
took it upon himself to issue mister Lyman a full pardon. Amazing,
amazing story even though it's a misdemeanor principle of the thing.
(10:01):
So you see, this is why I want to have
Phil explain his whole story, but I'm giving the basics.
So after seeing this happen, and he went up, he
graduated up a little bit from the kind of commissioners
see to a seat in the House of Utah Utah
Government House, Utah State government as a representative Phil Lyman,
(10:24):
and then saw that it was just as bad, if
not worse, among the state legislators. Seems like, according to
Phil Lyman, that big money and big interest special interests,
even those on a national and even international global skill,
seemed to be dictating state politics, and this didn't set
(10:47):
it well with Phil, so last spring he decided to
run for governor governor of Utah with an incredibly unique platform,
which simply is, I am the people's choice. I will
listen to the people, not special interests. And the theme
(11:09):
resonated so powerfully, ladies and gentlemen that going into the
state Republican GOP convention. And by the way, Utah is
a very very red state, a Republican dominates a lot
of Republicanism, and so if you get into the general
election and not have to go through a primary, it's
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the people. The grassroots from all counties have made their assessment.
So what happened is this, Phil Lyman presented his case
to the people of the delegates from the Caucasus, from
the grassroots, and when the dust settled, Phil Lyman had
(11:55):
well over the sixty percent votes of the delicates needed
to go to rate to the general election. Not having
to go to a primary. He got over sixty seven
percent of the vote. And keep in mind he's going
up against an incumbent very powerfully backed with a lot
(12:19):
of special interests, Governor Spencer cox And is running and
his lieutenant Governor d J. Henderson. Wow, it was stunning.
In all the history of Utah politics, and I think
any state politics, it's very very rare, if ever, that
(12:39):
a new candidate wins the convention at sixty seven percent
and no more. Oh no, they're not supposed to be
a primary. The law says very clear, it goes right
to a general the general election, which is November. Well,
(13:00):
special interests and money and the power machine said no,
there is a caveat that if you don't, if you
don't go into the convention, and you can bypass the
will of the people in Utah by my massing twenty
eight thousand signatures in a petition twenty eight thousand, and
(13:24):
if those twenty eight thousand are verified, then you can
force to be enforce your right to be on the primary.
The primary election, which was held in the end of April. Now, well,
that's interesting, given that you have to the the Lineman
(13:47):
campaign has every right under the law to verify the process.
It's called total conspiracy. You know, you've got to be
able to verify, you trust that it's accurate. But this
verification through an audit process, every bit of the right
to check those signatures. Now turns out that there was
(14:10):
just a slight of just over twenty eight thousand signatures
supposedly created, and a lot of individuals that claimed that
they signed. They came to films that I never signed this,
and he did an investigation and there was well a
(14:32):
large number that was basically the peers were signed fraudulently
and even were forged. That's an important consideration because if
you don't meet the threshold of twenty eight thousand, there
was no legal justification to be on the primary. So
(14:52):
the primary election was held. There was the polling showed
that even again exit pulling those the general consensus was
that Governor Cox, sitting Governor Cox is not popular among
the rank and file of the people, by the people
(15:14):
for the people. Yet he in the primary he shows
that he outs and basically beats Lineman. Now that's goes
back into questionable counting methods of electronic voting. That's where
(15:34):
I think they were banking on that, because let me
tell you, ladies and gentlemen, Utah. Utah is the epicenter
of electronic vote scamming. Now I've studied this for over
two decades. I've seen where it has evolved into the
(15:55):
use of the electronic tabulation through there it is. We've
got Phil on the line. Well, I'm just great, thanks
for puss punching in, Phil. How are you with us?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I am yeah, Sorry, sorry, I'm coming in a little
bit late. But yeah, it sounds like a great discussion.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well I'm just giving. I'm setting the table for you, Phil. Okay,
but I want you to just say, I'm talking to
the point now. We don't need to rehash it. But
I've explained to your your where you came from kind
of commissioner, to the congress or to the Utah Delegation,
Utah legislature, and what let you to put your hat
(16:38):
in the ring? Ask governor. Now, I'm to the point where, okay,
I explained that you took the convention sixty seven percent
to thirty three percent with the incumbent Spencer Cox sitting governor.
My goodness, not eating we're you know, not being allowed
by law to go on to a primary now or
(17:00):
to the point now of explaining to the to the
people listening that there is some some real questions of
impropriety in the the signature gathering process to even be
put on the primary. Right, uh, right, So explain to
the to the people listening, and I and I want
people to to to call in in the second hour
(17:21):
for sure, and and and talk to you directly on this.
But but Phil, please explain the problem. You know what,
as a candidate and you feel like, you know, there's
some really dirty pool happening. It doesn't smell right. And
so you you go to exercise your rights to verify
(17:41):
to have be be transparent, have transparency in this. And
you actually, which is a great move in my in
my estimation, you use you ask the Utah Supreme Court
to weigh in. You don't want them to overthrow the
primary results. You want to just make sure that the
way they got on the primary was legal, which means
(18:04):
just have transparency and having having all the signatures gathered
be verified. And what was this what happened with the
Supreme Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, the Supreme Court, Utah Supreme Court basically refused to
hear the case. They didn't they didn't listen to it.
They dismissed it. They quoted a few things that said,
you know, I'm arguing to have Spencer Cox and Deeedre
Henderson thrown out of office, and that can happen. So
just just sit down and shut up. But the bigger
(18:36):
narrative on this, I think true is the is the
gas lighting and the tactic that goes on when people
decide that they're going to maintain their authority, their power,
no matter what. I call it the syndicate. And there
is a syndicate of of people in Utah with money
(18:56):
and investment and you know a lot of you know,
get gates now of kind of controlling these things. They're
not going to let somebody like me come in and
take it. And and so they will cheat, they'll do
whatever it takes to maintain that that authority. And the
courts are all appointed by the governor. So he goes,
you go to in front of a judge and you
you're not surprised when he just has nothing but contempt
(19:18):
and disdain for you. And what I think is happening
is people are waking up and saying, hey, this is rigged,
this is this is this is against us. And part
of this this media push of oh, your election deniers,
Oh you're unreasonable, Oh oh you're you're you're that. That's
just a ridiculous argument. All that's just intended to intimidate people,
(19:38):
and it works. Really, really well, and all of the
legislators buy into it. All the leadership buys into this
very top down thing, and everybody kind of backs back
into their assigns, you know, seating and and and and
then we say, you know, it's not popular to say
that an election was stolen, it's not popular to say
that someone's corrupt. It's not popular to say these things.
(19:59):
And so we don't. And and then as a result,
they get what they wanted, they move on, and and
then then and then they say to everybody, you know,
let's all disagree better, let's just all let's just all
get along. And it's divisiveness is hurting us. And it's like,
as long as they're getting everything they want, then it's
all you know, uh, pontificating about virtue and being nice
(20:22):
and uh, you know, unity and but but man, they're
not that way when when they're being challenged on anything,
they turn it to the most hostile, vicious people writing
op eds. And it's in the and and they always
are punching down. They're always they're always punching down on
somebody below them to maintain their power. And I've never
(20:43):
done that. I don't punch down it, so I only
try to punch up and and and and we've got
to do it otherwise. Otherwise the bullies just rule they
the day, and the narrative is that they're they're the
reasonable ones, and they're not. They're they're they're just not.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, yeah, exactly, that's the whole concept of where this
country is heading. I submit, and I've said this. You know,
your guest on another show that we that I hosted
last Friday, did a fantastic job with that, by the way,
and we have we the people have to rise up
(21:23):
peacefully through making our voices heard. We have to stop it.
I mean, what happened on January sixth of twenty twenty one, Okay,
that was ninety nine percent peaceful, but yet there were
agitators in the in the in this crowd that actually
(21:43):
crossed the line, paid agitators, I must say. And Nasi
also even admitted to that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
See, oh yeah, agents provocateur. There's over one hundred. Yeah,
according to the official you know hearings that they're having
over one hundred federal agents provocateur. And that's I mean,
it just tells you they're they're they're up to something.
And if you look at it like teams, and that
on our team just can constantly is lied to and
(22:11):
we have to believe it or we go to jail,
and so we all just believe it. At some point
you say, you know what, we're not doing this anymore.
And I think we're I think, you know, these last
four years, I think a lot of people have gotten
to the point they're just saying, we're We're just not
going to do this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, we got it. We got to take a break,
Ladies and gentlemen. My guest mister Phil Lyman, gubernatorial governor candidate,
i'd say governor of U Dah my book. We got
great brought guest post. We're all back on his mess
as fateful.
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Speaker 2 (27:07):
Now, welcome back, Toddy said telemen, I'm your host, your
guest host. At a true odd, I'm gonna Telli, this
is perhaps the most important topic any guest host or
any straight host you'd actually discuss, because if we don't
have a vote, I mean, if we really don't have
(27:31):
a means to make our choices heard, we really have nothing,
and we are slaves. But probably the best quote that's
here on my wall here in my office where I'm
broadcasting today is this quote by Jhan Gerte, the German philosopher,
and he said it best. It's so apropos I wanted
to say it again. No man is more hopelessly enslaved
(27:55):
God wroote than he who falsely believes that he is read. Now,
how do you know that you're falsely believing you're free?
Because when you don't have, you have an absolutely manipulated vote.
There's also I mean, I've studied here, I've got quotes
from Joseph Stalin the nineteen twenties, and his memoirs and
his books will document it. Because I don't care. I
(28:18):
don't care that people vote. All I care about is
who counts the vote and how nineteen twenty three. That's
the central plank of the communist manifesto, to make people
believe that they are free, when in truth they're not.
So we have to understand the basic concepts I submit.
(28:43):
So my guest today on the Power Hour again, thank
you so much, Phil Ford. You're so busy, You've got
so many irons in the fire. Thanks for taking the
time to come on and just plead your case on
a bigger audience in the nation. I say this because
national scale, what's happening in Utah is, in my opinion,
(29:04):
critically important to understand. So thanks again for coming on, Phil.
Anything else you want to add, open the phone lines
up for questions.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Oh well, I mean thank you for thank you for
having I agree with you. I think this is this
is the most important topic coming into this election. Is
you know, uh? Is it is? It? Is it going
to be a fair election? And I don't want to
sound like a broken record, but you know Dedre Henderson,
who's our lieutenant governor here in Utah, she had a
conference last week and her big message was doubt the doubters.
(29:37):
Anyone who's saying that there's problems with our elections, doubt
what they're telling you, you know, believe us, trust us,
don't think because because and basically she said, our our
systems are are essentially perfect. We are the gold standard
and uh and and uh and no government should ever
have that feeling about itself. They're a servant and there
(30:00):
and government is you know, flawed at best, and you're
always trying to you know, that's what she should say, Hey,
we're doing our best. We appreciate people who are willing to,
you know, identify problems. Instead, it's like this intimidation and
the way she was saying it, she's like shaking her
fingers and shaking her fists and telling people, do not
believe these people that are telling you that there issues.
(30:20):
And it's again if you go back to that, you know,
us versus them, it's like they're not afraid to just
throw down with everything they've got, and we tend to shrink.
And it's not we're just not doing it in utail,
we're not doing it just go around.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So well, at least at least Phil Lyman is not.
That's why I think your story has to be told.
That's why when I was invited to be a guest host,
I thought, my god like Phil has got to share
the share of the story.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, and we'll and we'll get
you landed in jail, you know. That's that's what we
found too. Like they'll take it, they'll take it all
the way, you know, And we don't have the ability
to just say, hey, we don't like that, you should
you should sit in jail for a while. But they
have that ability. So it's it's definitely intimidating.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Here in my in my home library field, I have
a lot of books. I did many many I shared many,
many studies on Constitutional Congress understanding what the what are
rights so called rights are in the US Constitution, Because
if you don't know what those rights are, how are
(31:26):
you going to ever exercise them? Oh? I didn't know.
I had to. I had a chance to go to
dinner and I highlighted this this quote there was attributed
to Benjamin Franklin. I think it's so apropos today or
founding father Franklin's used. He is a wordsmith, you know,
he knew how to use words, whether it's in the
in the pages of Poor Richard's Almanac or what have you.
(31:49):
But this this quote, I just I thought it's so great.
It says this democracy. Now, the debate in the Communal
Congress convention was to democratic democracy for or versus a
republican a republic republic, democracy, democracy republic. That was what
was being debated. So here's I mean, Franklin said this
(32:11):
and it kind of got people laughing. But it's turned
the tide. Let me, let me, let me say it again.
Here it is Benjamin Franklin. Quote, democracy, my fine gentleman,
is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's to
have for supper. Liberty, which is synonymous were debating. Liberty
(32:34):
is being synonymous with the republic. Liberty is a well
armed lamb contesting the vote.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
H ooh.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's pretty much says it all, doesn't it, Phil, It does?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
It is so yeah, it hits so perfectly.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So we're little lambs. Okay, we're we the people. Don't
have the billions and billions of dollars and power in
the shadowy halls, but you know we have a Second
Amendment right to keep in bear arms. A well armed
lamb doing what contesting convention? Now, contesting the vote, because
(33:25):
if you don't understand how important the vote is, and
contest it you have nothing. You don't even have a
democracy oka you have dictatorship under it, like Stalin esk
And I just want to just put this out there
to our listening audience. Bill, I want you to comment
on it. At least in the Republican GOP convention, there
(33:48):
was at least a semblance of a choice. We have
Donald Trump the course leading the way, but we have
there were other candidates that came forward and they were
least able to present and take a vote. The end,
when the dust settled, it was Donald Trump and the
course is running mate that it took the banner. But
(34:11):
we see, this is what really people don't seem to
grasp that never happened the Democratic National Convention.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
There was no vote, I vote.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
It was an appointment.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah yeah, And and and we're supposed to just go
along with that. And it's not I don't think that's
ever happened before. But it's just like it's like and
they just give you that kind of that blank look,
like what are you going to do about it? You know,
there's nothing to see here, folks, And and and we
just and we just go along and not that we
(34:46):
could do something about it, but it's it's astonishing that
that we're in that, in this situation with with Kamala
for sure. And I don't know why that is why
the Biden side isn't up.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, in twenty sixteen, I think he is, but he just,
you know, he he just he doesn't have the capacity
to fight it right in twenty sixteen. And I and I,
you know, I don't agree with Bernie Sanders's form of
it's a it's a different form of communism, and it's
still you know, totalitarianism or be that as may. But
(35:21):
Bernie Sanders had quite a powerful following in that convention.
Yet you see what happened. He was manipulated out and
his votes weren't even tabulated correctly. It was a vote
scam in the DNC convention. Everybody that knew it was like,
what in the world is that all about.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
And when you talk about election, you know, elections cheating,
people just accept it. They just act like, oh, well,
you know, it's that's part of that's part of our
elections now. And and are you know when they came
out and say, oh, there's you know, a million extra
registered voters in Texas, people just kind of shrug their
voters their their shoulders, like, yeah, I don't, it's no surprise.
(36:02):
But twenty years ago that would have been that would
have been shocking. People would have said, you know, that's
that's fraud, that's cheating. But now we've just kind of
gotten accustomed to and I call it gas lighting from.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
The left as it is, and it goes back into
the old quote, how do you it's so true, how
do you boil a frog? You know, the frog, if
you know it's still viable, puts in the hot water
and it'll just jump right out. You've got to slowly
raise the temperature, and before long the frog is cooked
before it even knows it. It's just little degrees, little
(36:39):
more and more, unto a point where the frog is
a dead frog. And I think that's what's happening with
this republic. I have this debate all the time, fill
with people on my I've been doing radio broadcasting for
well over three decades, as I explained to you before,
and so much of the time as I get on
with people like I welcome people's input. I welcome their
(37:03):
thought process because it helps me understand my listeners too.
I'm is not just me pontificating, right, and so people
come back and say, well, we got to hold on
this democracy. I said, who says we have a democracy? Well,
of course we do. I said, do you, as a
kid growing up in school, do you ever raise your
(37:23):
hand and cite the pledge of Allegiance to the flag,
because well, of course I have. I served in the military.
Of course I understand the pledge of allegiance. Do you
really what words are you speaking, sir? I have this
or a woman as the case, maybe it's like read
it with me. I pledge allegiance to what the flag
(37:45):
of the States of America and what it's and not
or it's and to the republic for which the flag stands,
one nation undergot indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Hello,
where does it say to the democracy upon which it stands?
And they look at me like, what the same thing? Node? Wow,
(38:09):
No it's not we.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Are not no there, they're not even close.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
But Phil, it's amazing the a lot of the people,
and especially the young, the younger people coming up. They
they've been so brainwashed to believe, oh, this is We're
gonna go fight for democracy, and we even have the rhetoric,
oh the biggest enemy of democracy is Donald J. Trump.
He's enemy democracy? Good. I hope he is. I hope
(38:41):
Phil Lyman is an enemy to democracy. I hope you
are the best friend of the republic for witches stands
the grassroots. This is the whole battle here in Utah. Phil,
as I see at the microcosm, you are the champion
of we the people through the process of grass roots,
through the convention. Only those who wish to circumvent that,
(39:06):
to take away the voice of the people will have
these stupid news Senate bills to have. You know, you
can go on to the go on to the primary
election where we can control it through our electronic skill doggery.
That's the way I saw it from the get go.
This whole Senate bill that passed you want to talk
(39:28):
about that for a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yes, SP fifty four was passed in twenty fourteen, so
ten years ago, and it basically just said that there
was an alternate way to get onto the primary ballot,
which was by gathering signatures so a person could in
(39:50):
the case of a statewide race, it's twenty eight thousand
signatures that you have to get and they have to
be valid signatures of age and in state residents of
the republ Can Party, and so they gathered a lot
of signatures and some of those get thrown out, but
if they get to twenty thousand, then they're they're given
a spot on the primary ballot. The difference which is
(40:11):
really interesting this year is the rules clearly stay for
the Republican Party that if you get over sixty percent
of the vote at convention, then there is no primary
and you go straight to the general. You go straight
to the general ballot. So this year it was the
first year that I think in the state's history that
an incumbent governor has failed to get at least forty
(40:33):
percent to force a primary. So Spencer Cox did not
qualify for a primary via the convention, and I qualify
it to go straight to the general ballot because I
won the convention with over sixty percent. But they come
and they say, oh, no, I got signatures, so you
have to do a primary. And then I said, well,
(40:55):
I want to see the signatures. No, you can. You
can never ever see the signature. It'sitionally because a week
before that people were asking for school board signature packets.
Oh yeah, come in, Yeah, here they are, you can
come through them. I we'll send you the list. It
had all the withheld, all the private, everything that was
on there is like, there's there's the list. You can
knock yourself out right up until we asked to see
the governors. And then it was like at first it
(41:15):
was a long delay and then it was no, you
may you may not see these, you may never see these,
and how dare you ask? And so we we we
challenged it. We said, well, well, we don't think these
guys are twenty eight thousand signatures. It was a very
slim margin. And with anyway, I'm getting off topic, but
that's what SB fifty four said. Okay, get signatures and
(41:37):
you can get onto the primary ballot, and if you
win the primary, and then you can get onto the
general ballot. But it didn't say get signatures and you
can force somebody who legitimately won their spot on the
general ballot to have to go through a primary with you.
But that's what they did in this case, and so
we're challenging that.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
That's where the Supreme Court has to rule.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
In and the US. The US Supreme Court has been
really firm about that that the state legislatures do not
have the the right to interfere with a party's right
of association. We have the right of association, which means
we can pick our candidates. And so this is going
(42:18):
to be an interesting case. Like I said, it's there's
never been a governor who didn't qualify for a primary
by getting at least forty percent of convention. So Spencer
Cox has broken the mold there. And then also there
is no primary because there wasn't anybody else that got signatures.
So he's the only one that got signatures. He's the
only one that didn't qualify at the convention. And he's saying, well,
(42:39):
I did qualify with my signatures, and I qualified because
I won the primary. And so yeah, not only can
we not see his signatures, but the cast vote records
and things that you can do to analyze the election itself.
We've been completely barred from seeing any of that stuff.
Stuff that would have been posted on the county's websites
for years ago is now, you know, never to be
(43:03):
viewed by anyone's eyes. But to lieutenant governors, it's just.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's just flat out circumventsd the whole thing. And like
I said, I don't know if you are ever listened
to my first ten minutes where I was just kind
of going into the whole concept from our founding fathers
and the whole constitutional convention is to listen to the
people of farmers, the merchants, the business owners. That's who
(43:30):
you represent. You're the servant, not the masters. Jefferson understood that.
He says a republican, a republic is of the people.
You listen to the people. The delegates to the convention
are the servants of the people. I have to take
this back and let my town meetings know and listen
(43:54):
to the voice of the people see. And that's where
it all began film. There's no better way to do
that then through the caucuses of the You know, sure
there's going to be some people with the caucuses that
there's going to be special interests, but it's not the
majority there's going to be it's people that really really
care about the process that that's involved. There are are
(44:20):
people the counties, rural counties.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yes, counties. Counties are where it's at. Really. I love
county government. I love the county level of government, and
and all of their powers are being sucked into the state,
you know, centralized of the state and the states delegating
those to the federal government, and they're delegating it to
the World Health Organization and the United Nations and things
like that. It's just like, this is going in a
(44:45):
really really bad direction.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, and until we the people say stop. Uh. You know,
I I will say one word here, it's revolution. But
I'm not talking about guns and bullets and blood. I'm
talking about people coming awake and saying stop this nonsense.
We need to be heard again. Let me give you
(45:11):
another quote. It's one of my favorite ones here by
James Madison, one of one of other founding fathers, talking
about again coming on the side of a republican, a
republic versus the democracy. Here's this quote. He says, a
pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction.
(45:33):
In other words, if you have divisiveness at the higher level,
there's no cure for that. But the republican, because the
people will decide, that's the cure. He says, a common
passion or interest will in almost every case be felt
by a majority, and there is nothing to check the
inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence, it is the
(46:00):
democracies that have ever been found incompatible with personal security,
are the rights of property and have in general been
as short in their lives as they have been violent
in their deaths. Isn't that just the absolute thing to
(46:24):
talk about? Why Senate Bill fifty four is nonsense. We
don't need to bypass the will of the people through
the Congress. And this was a debate going on. They're
trying to ramrod that through with a special interest, wasn't
it bhiled?
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. And they will take they'll
take they'll take violent means to make sure that they
maintain their power. I mean, you got still people sitting
in jail from you know, January sixth. They will still
stop at nothing to maintain their grasp.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, that's another topic around the show. I've actually had
communications with some of the innocent ones that were that
have not yet gone to trial. Even happens it has
been four years, nearly four years.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, I mean they just sentenced to Tina Peters in Colorado.
It's fifteen years in jail. She's seventy years old. They
destroyed her, her life, bankrupted or divorced her from her
husband without her consent, even by putting him in a
nursing home. I mean, it was just it's like, goodness,
if you want to, if you want to, I've told
(47:35):
people with the Gulag Archipelago that book. You know, if
you think this couldn't happen in the United States, it
could not only could it, it is happening in the
United says there are things happening. It's like would just
make your head spend if you were, you know, reading
it from an objective distance.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Well, Phil, you know the Power Hour. Joyce Riley her story,
She's been basically took this, took this this hour show
and build it into quite a quite a strong foundation,
primarily for being an advocate for our veterans, those those
people who have have suffered and bled and dyed and
(48:17):
and given a lot for this country. And that's really
the large listeners of the show, the veterans, and I
just reached out to the veterans wherever you may be
listening to this, whether it's live or on a on
a podcast review, listen up. All of the blood shed
on the beaches of Normandy in the World War two,
(48:41):
going back into what we were fighting for in the
Great War. World War went all the way back to
the to the Revolution itself, there is. This is the
Clucks crux of what we're fighting for right here. It's
not about bringing democracy, It's about getting the people in
pat through a republican republic form of government. That's what
(49:05):
it is, and that's the biggest export that America has.
Number one is our liberty. And our freedom is vouchsafed
by our US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the first
Amendment to speak to not be censored. Okay, yeah, we
have the right to keep in bear arms, but what
(49:26):
is the right for keeping the bear arms? Read the
whole Second Amendment completely is to keep in bear arms
to be able to assemble. See, if you don't have rights,
if you're not a well armed lamb, you're gonna be
you be sent into the mince meat and have some
mint julips placed around you, and you're gonna be eaten.
(49:49):
That's why we have Second Amendment rights, ladies and gentlemen,
is because we have to guarantee the right to peaceably assemble,
to basically do what assemble, to do what to say
this our vote needs to count. Benjamin Franklin cited bass
(50:12):
folks well armed lamb to guard the sanctity of the
voting process, you ain't gonna eat me up, you know,
you two wolves, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Right, wow, yeah, yeah, And these are not small things,
you know that. I love how the left will come
out say, oh please, don't you have anything better to
talk about than elections and you know, the big y,
and it's like, yes, probably not. This is probably the
probably the most important thing. And I ran a not
(50:45):
to get off, but it just along the same line.
I ran a bathroom bill last year that said, you know,
if you're born a boy or a boy, if you're
born a girl, you're a girl. And oh my goodness,
you know, don't don't Republicans have anything better to talk
about than the bathrooms. It's like, oh no, this isn't
about bathrooms. This is like core, you know, part of
our society when we talk about gender and representative government
(51:07):
and the right to vote. And they just try to
dismiss everything that you come up with as a small thing,
and it's like, these are not small things. These are
the really really big things. And you get these wrong
and then like you say, then you don't have represented
a form of government. They can do whatever they want
and you can't untike them.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
So yeah, well, you know, Phil, I don't know what
your schedule is tomorrow. Running out of time. This hour
goes by rapidly fast an it would. I think a
lot of people are listening to this and not wanting
to really question or call in. I just don't see
anything anybody coming on the line, and that's fine. Tomorrow
(51:44):
is another hour again. We can go and touch on subjects.
If you're free tomorrow to come out and even take
some calls, be specifically there. If not, we just continue
on with this because it is it is a crossroads
right now for America. My opinion, we can't allow again
the Swing States. I analyze what's happening here. Why are
(52:09):
the Swing States being the epicenter for all these illegal
immigrants under Kamala, Comrade Kamala, Why see what's really going
on with that? If you just man you swing it.
There's not going to be a two party system, even
a democracy is not at the risk is not?
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, sure what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, we're gonna take a break, be right back and
close up with my guest today, Ladies and gentlemen, mister
Bill Wyman. Hopefully the next governor of the great State
of Utah, maybe even President of the United States, I
mean the President of Wman.
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Yeah, welcome, Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another edition of
The Power Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm your guest host, filling in doctor a true odd. Yeah,
here in the mountaintops of the Wasatche Peaks in beautiful Utah,
coming to you live, folks. It's a pleasure. It's a
privilege and pleasure to fill in again. I've been such
a fan of The Power Hour myself, with going back
(00:33):
to the formations of the show with Joyce Riley. My goodness,
what a what a long standing heritage that's that's been
there and continues on, and so I'm just pleased to
fill in and do what I can, folks. Yeah, we can.
I appreciate that it's important to go into headlines and
to see what's happening across the board, but you know,
(00:55):
most people listening to this, to the show, I perceive
and I believe, to be fully awake in a lot
of ways. So we'll kind of forego with a little
bit of the headlines and just come back to what
I think personally is probably the most important topic to consider,
(01:17):
and that is what are we living in as far
as a government. Are we living in a republic or
a democracy or even an oligarchy, rule of the elite,
what's really going on in America? And I think we can,
you know, I personally think it's most important to talk
(01:41):
about that those definitions and understand exactly what it was
our founding fathers framed after they routed the British, as
we are told in the history books, when Cornwallace surrendered
and corn Wallace evidently said, well, you can form your
(02:01):
own government, and in fact they wanted to have a
republic of the people, by the people, and for the people.
But there came a Cornwallis was mocking. He says, it's
fine if you can hold it, if you can hold
on to what you're doing, really good. And that's became
the challenge framing the Constitution, getting thirteen colonies to come together,
(02:27):
to everybody to kind of understand the common good, the
common goal, and define what is a republic versus a democracy. So,
my goodness, it's really not and I repeat not, if
(02:48):
you understand history, and if you understand the actual words
that were spoken in debate and the thirteen Colonies and
the Congressional the Institutional Convention, the first one, you have
to understand what there was being forged out of nothing.
Really being forged the basis of what we have today
(03:11):
or should have today, I should say, folks, we seem
to get all caught up and wrapped up in the
rhetoric that we have the right to vote, we have
the right that we believe, Oh golly, to go in
there to the pulling booths and pull push some buttons,
(03:34):
pull some some knobs, maybe punch of a couple of
things on a ballot, and say we've done a good job.
We might get a little sticker that says I voted
with a little red, white and blue sticker and make
you feel good about it. But is that really what
a republic is? Is that really even what a democracy is? Today? Well,
(03:56):
I wanted to go into too this topic. We had
a special guests schedule today. I don't see that he's
hooked up for whatever reason. We'll try to bring him
in if he does. Here in Utah. There's an amazing
story that I think has national even international implications on
what really is the form of government we live under. Okay,
(04:18):
we if you understand the process and all ladies and gentlemen,
and hopefully you know we we can just talk about
the basics we go through in most instances. Historically, the
grassroots is what really chooses the candidates, not some big
(04:40):
smoky backroom ball you know, room filled with billionaires or
multi millionaires of the case, maybe big party bosses. Now
it really should begin at the grassroots, the levels where
your friends and neighbors all gathered together to choose who
(05:00):
what's called delegates to what a state convention. Now it
could be a two two party or even a three
party form. Historically, okay, you go through the origins of
Republican Party so called, and the Democratic Party. But back
in the day, there were Whigs, there were anti Masonic parties,
(05:24):
there were all of these that just basically gathered together
to exercise the grassroots wheel of the people, of the people,
by the people, for the people. Those words again, infamous
words that Abraham Lincoln uttered at the battlefield of Gettysburg,
(05:49):
the Gettysburg Address, very short, very sweet, but very powerful.
That this Republic of the people, this government, this Republic
of the people, by the people, for the people, shall
not perish from the earth. I submit. That's what so
many patriots and people have bled and died for since
(06:11):
the Revolution, since the Civil War, to defend that republic
from a government folks of the people, by the people,
for the people. So important to understand the difference in
the concepts of what exactly is a republic versus a democracy. Now,
(06:32):
if we get Phil Lyman on the phone, it'll be
great to segue into his story, but let me just
kind of give you an overview. Hopefully he will have
him on explaining what's really going on from the horse's mouth,
first person, not hearsay. Phil Lyman's story is amazing. He
began to understand as a county commissioner in a rural
(06:59):
county of Utah, a rural county that's dominated by the
federal government in the Bureau of Land Management for his service,
where there's over ninety percent of the land owned by
the federal government, not the people. It's a bureaucracy, and
so he is a kind of commissioner he has to
(07:19):
come to say, well, I represent the people, not the land,
not the deer, not the elk, not the birds, but
the people. That's what we do as in a county
commissioner status. And he was just amazed because there was
so much federal bureaucracy, a dictating policy above and beyond
(07:44):
the power of the count of commissioners, which represent the people.
So that's where it began to realize there is a
problem that needs to be addressed, federal overreach that seems
to dictate to the people, not the other way around.
Phil has had the belief that government, and whether it's
(08:09):
federal bureaucracy or state bureaucracy or even county they are
subservient to the people. They are the servants, not the
masters of the people. But that became pretty readily apparent
that there was something, some problem. The wheel is not
running the way it should be. So he began to
(08:30):
be very much active in telling the people, listening to
people's voice, and advocating for the people. And so he
organized a protest against some of the overreach of the
BLM in the form of just riding on county roads,
county maintained county roads, not government. These are back roads
(08:55):
of the area of Landing Utah, Red Rock, beautiful country
by the way, and he was immediately because there's nothing
trespassing against riding on county maintained roads. They never went
off road at all. And yet five months after this
(09:16):
he was notified that he was to be under arrest
and charged with the conspiracy against the government okay for trespass.
Long story short, Phil Lyman was ended up being fully
arrested and had to serve ten days in jail a
hardcore facility awaiting a resolution of the case and over
(09:39):
four hundred thousand dollars in legal fees. Later, he was
basically committed of a misdemeanor and as Trump was leaving office.
As President Trump was leaving office in twenty ten, he
took it upon himself to issue mister Lyman a full pardon. Amazing,
amazing story even though it's a misdemeanor principle of the thing.
(10:01):
So you see, this is why I want to have
Phil explain his whole story, but I'm giving the basics.
So after seeing this happen, and he went up, he
graduated up a little bit from the kind of commissioners
see to a seat in the House of Utah Utah
Government House, Utah State government as a representative Phil Lyman,
(10:24):
and then saw that it was just as bad, if
not worse, among the state legislators. Seems like, according to
Phil Lyman, that big money and big interest special interests,
even those on a national and even international global skill,
seemed to be dictating state politics, and this didn't set
(10:47):
it well with Phil, so last spring he decided to
run for governor governor of Utah with an incredibly unique platform,
which simply is, I am the people's choice. I will
listen to the people, not special interests. And the theme
(11:09):
resonated so powerfully, ladies and gentlemen that going into the
state Republican GOP convention. And by the way, Utah is
a very very red state, a Republican dominates a lot
of Republicanism, and so if you get into the general
election and not have to go through a primary, it's
(11:32):
the people. The grassroots from all counties have made their assessment.
So what happened is this, Phil Lyman presented his case
to the people of the delegates from the Caucasus, from
the grassroots, and when the dust settled, Phil Lyman had
(11:55):
well over the sixty percent votes of the delicates needed
to go to rate to the general election. Not having
to go to a primary. He got over sixty seven
percent of the vote. And keep in mind he's going
up against an incumbent very powerfully backed with a lot
(12:19):
of special interests, Governor Spencer cox And is running and
his lieutenant Governor d J. Henderson. Wow, it was stunning.
In all the history of Utah politics, and I think
any state politics, it's very very rare, if ever, that
(12:39):
a new candidate wins the convention at sixty seven percent
and no more. Oh no, they're not supposed to be
a primary. The law says very clear, it goes right
to a general the general election, which is November. Well,
(13:00):
special interests and money and the power machine said no,
there is a caveat that if you don't, if you
don't go into the convention, and you can bypass the
will of the people in Utah by my massing twenty
eight thousand signatures in a petition twenty eight thousand, and
(13:24):
if those twenty eight thousand are verified, then you can
force to be enforce your right to be on the primary.
The primary election, which was held in the end of April. Now, well,
that's interesting, given that you have to the the Lineman
(13:47):
campaign has every right under the law to verify the process.
It's called total conspiracy. You know, you've got to be
able to verify, you trust that it's accurate. But this
verification through an audit process, every bit of the right
to check those signatures. Now turns out that there was
(14:10):
just a slight of just over twenty eight thousand signatures
supposedly created, and a lot of individuals that claimed that
they signed. They came to films that I never signed this,
and he did an investigation and there was well a
(14:32):
large number that was basically the peers were signed fraudulently
and even were forged. That's an important consideration because if
you don't meet the threshold of twenty eight thousand, there
was no legal justification to be on the primary. So
(14:52):
the primary election was held. There was the polling showed
that even again exit pulling those the general consensus was
that Governor Cox, sitting Governor Cox is not popular among
the rank and file of the people, by the people
(15:14):
for the people. Yet he in the primary he shows
that he outs and basically beats Lineman. Now that's goes
back into questionable counting methods of electronic voting. That's where
(15:34):
I think they were banking on that, because let me
tell you, ladies and gentlemen, Utah. Utah is the epicenter
of electronic vote scamming. Now I've studied this for over
two decades. I've seen where it has evolved into the
(15:55):
use of the electronic tabulation through there it is. We've
got Phil on the line. Well, I'm just great, thanks
for puss punching in, Phil. How are you with us?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I am yeah, Sorry, sorry, I'm coming in a little
bit late. But yeah, it sounds like a great discussion.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well I'm just giving. I'm setting the table for you, Phil. Okay,
but I want you to just say, I'm talking to
the point now. We don't need to rehash it. But
I've explained to your your where you came from kind
of commissioner, to the congress or to the Utah Delegation,
Utah legislature, and what let you to put your hat
(16:38):
in the ring? Ask governor. Now, I'm to the point where, okay,
I explained that you took the convention sixty seven percent
to thirty three percent with the incumbent Spencer Cox sitting governor.
My goodness, not eating we're you know, not being allowed
by law to go on to a primary now or
(17:00):
to the point now of explaining to the to the
people listening that there is some some real questions of
impropriety in the the signature gathering process to even be
put on the primary. Right, uh, right, So explain to
the to the people listening, and I and I want
people to to to call in in the second hour
(17:21):
for sure, and and and talk to you directly on this.
But but Phil, please explain the problem. You know what,
as a candidate and you feel like, you know, there's
some really dirty pool happening. It doesn't smell right. And
so you you go to exercise your rights to verify
(17:41):
to have be be transparent, have transparency in this. And
you actually, which is a great move in my in
my estimation, you use you ask the Utah Supreme Court
to weigh in. You don't want them to overthrow the
primary results. You want to just make sure that the
way they got on the primary was legal, which means
(18:04):
just have transparency and having having all the signatures gathered
be verified. And what was this what happened with the
Supreme Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, the Supreme Court, Utah Supreme Court basically refused to
hear the case. They didn't they didn't listen to it.
They dismissed it. They quoted a few things that said,
you know, I'm arguing to have Spencer Cox and Deeedre
Henderson thrown out of office, and that can happen. So
just just sit down and shut up. But the bigger
(18:36):
narrative on this, I think true is the is the
gas lighting and the tactic that goes on when people
decide that they're going to maintain their authority, their power,
no matter what. I call it the syndicate. And there
is a syndicate of of people in Utah with money
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and investment and you know a lot of you know,
get gates now of kind of controlling these things. They're
not going to let somebody like me come in and
take it. And and so they will cheat, they'll do
whatever it takes to maintain that that authority. And the
courts are all appointed by the governor. So he goes,
you go to in front of a judge and you
you're not surprised when he just has nothing but contempt
(19:18):
and disdain for you. And what I think is happening
is people are waking up and saying, hey, this is rigged,
this is this is this is against us. And part
of this this media push of oh, your election deniers,
Oh you're unreasonable, Oh oh you're you're you're that. That's
just a ridiculous argument. All that's just intended to intimidate people,
(19:38):
and it works. Really, really well, and all of the
legislators buy into it. All the leadership buys into this
very top down thing, and everybody kind of backs back
into their assigns, you know, seating and and and and
then we say, you know, it's not popular to say
that an election was stolen, it's not popular to say
that someone's corrupt. It's not popular to say these things.
(19:59):
And so we don't. And and then as a result,
they get what they wanted, they move on, and and
then then and then they say to everybody, you know,
let's all disagree better, let's just all let's just all
get along. And it's divisiveness is hurting us. And it's like,
as long as they're getting everything they want, then it's
all you know, uh, pontificating about virtue and being nice
(20:22):
and uh, you know, unity and but but man, they're
not that way when when they're being challenged on anything,
they turn it to the most hostile, vicious people writing
op eds. And it's in the and and they always
are punching down. They're always they're always punching down on
somebody below them to maintain their power. And I've never
(20:43):
done that. I don't punch down it, so I only
try to punch up and and and and we've got
to do it otherwise. Otherwise the bullies just rule they
the day, and the narrative is that they're they're the
reasonable ones, and they're not. They're they're they're just not.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, yeah, exactly, that's the whole concept of where this
country is heading. I submit, and I've said this. You know,
your guest on another show that we that I hosted
last Friday, did a fantastic job with that, by the way,
and we have we the people have to rise up
(21:23):
peacefully through making our voices heard. We have to stop it.
I mean, what happened on January sixth of twenty twenty one, Okay,
that was ninety nine percent peaceful, but yet there were
agitators in the in the in this crowd that actually
(21:43):
crossed the line, paid agitators, I must say. And Nasi
also even admitted to that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
See, oh yeah, agents provocateur. There's over one hundred. Yeah,
according to the official you know hearings that they're having
over one hundred federal agents provocateur. And that's I mean,
it just tells you they're they're they're up to something.
And if you look at it like teams, and that
on our team just can constantly is lied to and
(22:11):
we have to believe it or we go to jail,
and so we all just believe it. At some point
you say, you know what, we're not doing this anymore.
And I think we're I think, you know, these last
four years, I think a lot of people have gotten
to the point they're just saying, we're We're just not
going to do this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, we got it. We got to take a break,
Ladies and gentlemen. My guest mister Phil Lyman, gubernatorial governor candidate,
i'd say governor of U Dah my book. We got
great brought guest post. We're all back on his mess
as fateful.
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Speaker 2 (27:07):
Now, welcome back, Toddy said telemen, I'm your host, your
guest host. At a true odd, I'm gonna Telli, this
is perhaps the most important topic any guest host or
any straight host you'd actually discuss, because if we don't
have a vote, I mean, if we really don't have
(27:31):
a means to make our choices heard, we really have nothing,
and we are slaves. But probably the best quote that's
here on my wall here in my office where I'm
broadcasting today is this quote by Jhan Gerte, the German philosopher,
and he said it best. It's so apropos I wanted
to say it again. No man is more hopelessly enslaved
(27:55):
God wroote than he who falsely believes that he is read. Now,
how do you know that you're falsely believing you're free?
Because when you don't have, you have an absolutely manipulated vote.
There's also I mean, I've studied here, I've got quotes
from Joseph Stalin the nineteen twenties, and his memoirs and
his books will document it. Because I don't care. I
(28:18):
don't care that people vote. All I care about is
who counts the vote and how nineteen twenty three. That's
the central plank of the communist manifesto, to make people
believe that they are free, when in truth they're not.
So we have to understand the basic concepts I submit.
(28:43):
So my guest today on the Power Hour again, thank
you so much, Phil Ford. You're so busy, You've got
so many irons in the fire. Thanks for taking the
time to come on and just plead your case on
a bigger audience in the nation. I say this because
national scale, what's happening in Utah is, in my opinion,
(29:04):
critically important to understand. So thanks again for coming on, Phil.
Anything else you want to add, open the phone lines
up for questions.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Oh well, I mean thank you for thank you for
having I agree with you. I think this is this
is the most important topic coming into this election. Is
you know, uh? Is it is? It? Is it going
to be a fair election? And I don't want to
sound like a broken record, but you know Dedre Henderson,
who's our lieutenant governor here in Utah, she had a
conference last week and her big message was doubt the doubters.
(29:37):
Anyone who's saying that there's problems with our elections, doubt
what they're telling you, you know, believe us, trust us,
don't think because because and basically she said, our our
systems are are essentially perfect. We are the gold standard
and uh and and uh and no government should ever
have that feeling about itself. They're a servant and there
(30:00):
and government is you know, flawed at best, and you're
always trying to you know, that's what she should say, Hey,
we're doing our best. We appreciate people who are willing to,
you know, identify problems. Instead, it's like this intimidation and
the way she was saying it, she's like shaking her
fingers and shaking her fists and telling people, do not
believe these people that are telling you that there issues.
(30:20):
And it's again if you go back to that, you know,
us versus them, it's like they're not afraid to just
throw down with everything they've got, and we tend to shrink.
And it's not we're just not doing it in utail,
we're not doing it just go around.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So well, at least at least Phil Lyman is not.
That's why I think your story has to be told.
That's why when I was invited to be a guest host,
I thought, my god like Phil has got to share
the share of the story.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, and we'll and we'll get
you landed in jail, you know. That's that's what we
found too. Like they'll take it, they'll take it all
the way, you know, And we don't have the ability
to just say, hey, we don't like that, you should
you should sit in jail for a while. But they
have that ability. So it's it's definitely intimidating.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Here in my in my home library field, I have
a lot of books. I did many many I shared many,
many studies on Constitutional Congress understanding what the what are
rights so called rights are in the US Constitution, Because
if you don't know what those rights are, how are
(31:26):
you going to ever exercise them? Oh? I didn't know.
I had to. I had a chance to go to
dinner and I highlighted this this quote there was attributed
to Benjamin Franklin. I think it's so apropos today or
founding father Franklin's used. He is a wordsmith, you know,
he knew how to use words, whether it's in the
in the pages of Poor Richard's Almanac or what have you.
(31:49):
But this this quote, I just I thought it's so great.
It says this democracy. Now, the debate in the Communal
Congress convention was to democratic democracy for or versus a
republican a republic republic, democracy, democracy republic. That was what
was being debated. So here's I mean, Franklin said this
(32:11):
and it kind of got people laughing. But it's turned
the tide. Let me, let me, let me say it again.
Here it is Benjamin Franklin. Quote, democracy, my fine gentleman,
is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's to
have for supper. Liberty, which is synonymous were debating. Liberty
(32:34):
is being synonymous with the republic. Liberty is a well
armed lamb contesting the vote.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
H ooh.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's pretty much says it all, doesn't it, Phil, It does?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
It is so yeah, it hits so perfectly.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So we're little lambs. Okay, we're we the people. Don't
have the billions and billions of dollars and power in
the shadowy halls, but you know we have a Second
Amendment right to keep in bear arms. A well armed
lamb doing what contesting convention? Now, contesting the vote, because
(33:25):
if you don't understand how important the vote is, and
contest it you have nothing. You don't even have a
democracy oka you have dictatorship under it, like Stalin esk
And I just want to just put this out there
to our listening audience. Bill, I want you to comment
on it. At least in the Republican GOP convention, there
(33:48):
was at least a semblance of a choice. We have
Donald Trump the course leading the way, but we have
there were other candidates that came forward and they were
least able to present and take a vote. The end,
when the dust settled, it was Donald Trump and the
course is running mate that it took the banner. But
(34:11):
we see, this is what really people don't seem to
grasp that never happened the Democratic National Convention.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
There was no vote, I vote.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
It was an appointment.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah yeah, And and and we're supposed to just go
along with that. And it's not I don't think that's
ever happened before. But it's just like it's like and
they just give you that kind of that blank look,
like what are you going to do about it? You know,
there's nothing to see here, folks, And and and we
just and we just go along and not that we
(34:46):
could do something about it, but it's it's astonishing that
that we're in that, in this situation with with Kamala
for sure. And I don't know why that is why
the Biden side isn't up.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, in twenty sixteen, I think he is, but he just,
you know, he he just he doesn't have the capacity
to fight it right in twenty sixteen. And I and I,
you know, I don't agree with Bernie Sanders's form of
it's a it's a different form of communism, and it's
still you know, totalitarianism or be that as may. But
(35:21):
Bernie Sanders had quite a powerful following in that convention.
Yet you see what happened. He was manipulated out and
his votes weren't even tabulated correctly. It was a vote
scam in the DNC convention. Everybody that knew it was like,
what in the world is that all about.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
And when you talk about election, you know, elections cheating,
people just accept it. They just act like, oh, well,
you know, it's that's part of that's part of our
elections now. And and are you know when they came
out and say, oh, there's you know, a million extra
registered voters in Texas, people just kind of shrug their
voters their their shoulders, like, yeah, I don't, it's no surprise.
(36:02):
But twenty years ago that would have been that would
have been shocking. People would have said, you know, that's
that's fraud, that's cheating. But now we've just kind of
gotten accustomed to and I call it gas lighting from.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
The left as it is, and it goes back into
the old quote, how do you it's so true, how
do you boil a frog? You know, the frog, if
you know it's still viable, puts in the hot water
and it'll just jump right out. You've got to slowly
raise the temperature, and before long the frog is cooked
before it even knows it. It's just little degrees, little
(36:39):
more and more, unto a point where the frog is
a dead frog. And I think that's what's happening with
this republic. I have this debate all the time, fill
with people on my I've been doing radio broadcasting for
well over three decades, as I explained to you before,
and so much of the time as I get on
with people like I welcome people's input. I welcome their
(37:03):
thought process because it helps me understand my listeners too.
I'm is not just me pontificating, right, and so people
come back and say, well, we got to hold on
this democracy. I said, who says we have a democracy? Well,
of course we do. I said, do you, as a
kid growing up in school, do you ever raise your
(37:23):
hand and cite the pledge of Allegiance to the flag,
because well, of course I have. I served in the military.
Of course I understand the pledge of allegiance. Do you
really what words are you speaking, sir? I have this
or a woman as the case, maybe it's like read
it with me. I pledge allegiance to what the flag
(37:45):
of the States of America and what it's and not
or it's and to the republic for which the flag stands,
one nation undergot indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Hello,
where does it say to the democracy upon which it stands?
And they look at me like, what the same thing? Node? Wow,
(38:09):
No it's not we.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Are not no there, they're not even close.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
But Phil, it's amazing the a lot of the people,
and especially the young, the younger people coming up. They
they've been so brainwashed to believe, oh, this is We're
gonna go fight for democracy, and we even have the rhetoric,
oh the biggest enemy of democracy is Donald J. Trump.
He's enemy democracy? Good. I hope he is. I hope
(38:41):
Phil Lyman is an enemy to democracy. I hope you
are the best friend of the republic for witches stands
the grassroots. This is the whole battle here in Utah. Phil,
as I see at the microcosm, you are the champion
of we the people through the process of grass roots,
through the convention. Only those who wish to circumvent that,
(39:06):
to take away the voice of the people will have
these stupid news Senate bills to have. You know, you
can go on to the go on to the primary
election where we can control it through our electronic skill doggery.
That's the way I saw it from the get go.
This whole Senate bill that passed you want to talk
(39:28):
about that for a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yes, SP fifty four was passed in twenty fourteen, so
ten years ago, and it basically just said that there
was an alternate way to get onto the primary ballot,
which was by gathering signatures so a person could in
(39:50):
the case of a statewide race, it's twenty eight thousand
signatures that you have to get and they have to
be valid signatures of age and in state residents of
the republ Can Party, and so they gathered a lot
of signatures and some of those get thrown out, but
if they get to twenty thousand, then they're they're given
a spot on the primary ballot. The difference which is
(40:11):
really interesting this year is the rules clearly stay for
the Republican Party that if you get over sixty percent
of the vote at convention, then there is no primary
and you go straight to the general. You go straight
to the general ballot. So this year it was the
first year that I think in the state's history that
an incumbent governor has failed to get at least forty
(40:33):
percent to force a primary. So Spencer Cox did not
qualify for a primary via the convention, and I qualify
it to go straight to the general ballot because I
won the convention with over sixty percent. But they come
and they say, oh, no, I got signatures, so you
have to do a primary. And then I said, well,
(40:55):
I want to see the signatures. No, you can. You
can never ever see the signature. It'sitionally because a week
before that people were asking for school board signature packets.
Oh yeah, come in, Yeah, here they are, you can
come through them. I we'll send you the list. It
had all the withheld, all the private, everything that was
on there is like, there's there's the list. You can
knock yourself out right up until we asked to see
the governors. And then it was like at first it
(41:15):
was a long delay and then it was no, you
may you may not see these, you may never see these,
and how dare you ask? And so we we we
challenged it. We said, well, well, we don't think these
guys are twenty eight thousand signatures. It was a very
slim margin. And with anyway, I'm getting off topic, but
that's what SB fifty four said. Okay, get signatures and
(41:37):
you can get onto the primary ballot, and if you
win the primary, and then you can get onto the
general ballot. But it didn't say get signatures and you
can force somebody who legitimately won their spot on the
general ballot to have to go through a primary with you.
But that's what they did in this case, and so
we're challenging that.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
That's where the Supreme Court has to rule.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
In and the US. The US Supreme Court has been
really firm about that that the state legislatures do not
have the the right to interfere with a party's right
of association. We have the right of association, which means
we can pick our candidates. And so this is going
(42:18):
to be an interesting case. Like I said, it's there's
never been a governor who didn't qualify for a primary
by getting at least forty percent of convention. So Spencer
Cox has broken the mold there. And then also there
is no primary because there wasn't anybody else that got signatures.
So he's the only one that got signatures. He's the
only one that didn't qualify at the convention. And he's saying, well,
(42:39):
I did qualify with my signatures, and I qualified because
I won the primary. And so yeah, not only can
we not see his signatures, but the cast vote records
and things that you can do to analyze the election itself.
We've been completely barred from seeing any of that stuff.
Stuff that would have been posted on the county's websites
for years ago is now, you know, never to be
(43:03):
viewed by anyone's eyes. But to lieutenant governors, it's just.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's just flat out circumventsd the whole thing. And like
I said, I don't know if you are ever listened
to my first ten minutes where I was just kind
of going into the whole concept from our founding fathers
and the whole constitutional convention is to listen to the
people of farmers, the merchants, the business owners. That's who
(43:30):
you represent. You're the servant, not the masters. Jefferson understood that.
He says a republican, a republic is of the people.
You listen to the people. The delegates to the convention
are the servants of the people. I have to take
this back and let my town meetings know and listen
(43:54):
to the voice of the people see. And that's where
it all began film. There's no better way to do
that then through the caucuses of the You know, sure
there's going to be some people with the caucuses that
there's going to be special interests, but it's not the
majority there's going to be it's people that really really
care about the process that that's involved. There are are
(44:20):
people the counties, rural counties.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yes, counties. Counties are where it's at. Really. I love
county government. I love the county level of government, and
and all of their powers are being sucked into the state,
you know, centralized of the state and the states delegating
those to the federal government, and they're delegating it to
the World Health Organization and the United Nations and things
like that. It's just like, this is going in a
(44:45):
really really bad direction.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, and until we the people say stop. Uh. You know,
I I will say one word here, it's revolution. But
I'm not talking about guns and bullets and blood. I'm
talking about people coming awake and saying stop this nonsense.
We need to be heard again. Let me give you
(45:11):
another quote. It's one of my favorite ones here by
James Madison, one of one of other founding fathers, talking
about again coming on the side of a republican, a
republic versus the democracy. Here's this quote. He says, a
pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction.
(45:33):
In other words, if you have divisiveness at the higher level,
there's no cure for that. But the republican, because the
people will decide, that's the cure. He says, a common
passion or interest will in almost every case be felt
by a majority, and there is nothing to check the
inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence, it is the
(46:00):
democracies that have ever been found incompatible with personal security,
are the rights of property and have in general been
as short in their lives as they have been violent
in their deaths. Isn't that just the absolute thing to
(46:24):
talk about? Why Senate Bill fifty four is nonsense. We
don't need to bypass the will of the people through
the Congress. And this was a debate going on. They're
trying to ramrod that through with a special interest, wasn't
it bhiled?
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. And they will take they'll
take they'll take violent means to make sure that they
maintain their power. I mean, you got still people sitting
in jail from you know, January sixth. They will still
stop at nothing to maintain their grasp.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, that's another topic around the show. I've actually had
communications with some of the innocent ones that were that
have not yet gone to trial. Even happens it has
been four years, nearly four years.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, I mean they just sentenced to Tina Peters in Colorado.
It's fifteen years in jail. She's seventy years old. They
destroyed her, her life, bankrupted or divorced her from her
husband without her consent, even by putting him in a
nursing home. I mean, it was just it's like, goodness,
if you want to, if you want to, I've told
(47:35):
people with the Gulag Archipelago that book. You know, if
you think this couldn't happen in the United States, it
could not only could it, it is happening in the
United says there are things happening. It's like would just
make your head spend if you were, you know, reading
it from an objective distance.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Well, Phil, you know the Power Hour. Joyce Riley her story,
She's been basically took this, took this this hour show
and build it into quite a quite a strong foundation,
primarily for being an advocate for our veterans, those those
people who have have suffered and bled and dyed and
(48:17):
and given a lot for this country. And that's really
the large listeners of the show, the veterans, and I
just reached out to the veterans wherever you may be
listening to this, whether it's live or on a on
a podcast review, listen up. All of the blood shed
on the beaches of Normandy in the World War two,
(48:41):
going back into what we were fighting for in the
Great War. World War went all the way back to
the to the Revolution itself, there is. This is the
Clucks crux of what we're fighting for right here. It's
not about bringing democracy, It's about getting the people in
pat through a republican republic form of government. That's what
(49:05):
it is, and that's the biggest export that America has.
Number one is our liberty. And our freedom is vouchsafed
by our US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the first
Amendment to speak to not be censored. Okay, yeah, we
have the right to keep in bear arms, but what
(49:26):
is the right for keeping the bear arms? Read the
whole Second Amendment completely is to keep in bear arms
to be able to assemble. See, if you don't have rights,
if you're not a well armed lamb, you're gonna be
you be sent into the mince meat and have some
mint julips placed around you, and you're gonna be eaten.
(49:49):
That's why we have Second Amendment rights, ladies and gentlemen,
is because we have to guarantee the right to peaceably assemble,
to basically do what assemble, to do what to say
this our vote needs to count. Benjamin Franklin cited bass
(50:12):
folks well armed lamb to guard the sanctity of the
voting process, you ain't gonna eat me up, you know,
you two wolves, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Right, wow, yeah, yeah, And these are not small things,
you know that. I love how the left will come
out say, oh please, don't you have anything better to
talk about than elections and you know, the big y,
and it's like, yes, probably not. This is probably the
probably the most important thing. And I ran a not
(50:45):
to get off, but it just along the same line.
I ran a bathroom bill last year that said, you know,
if you're born a boy or a boy, if you're
born a girl, you're a girl. And oh my goodness,
you know, don't don't Republicans have anything better to talk
about than the bathrooms. It's like, oh no, this isn't
about bathrooms. This is like core, you know, part of
our society when we talk about gender and representative government
(51:07):
and the right to vote. And they just try to
dismiss everything that you come up with as a small thing,
and it's like, these are not small things. These are
the really really big things. And you get these wrong
and then like you say, then you don't have represented
a form of government. They can do whatever they want
and you can't untike them.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
So yeah, well, you know, Phil, I don't know what
your schedule is tomorrow. Running out of time. This hour
goes by rapidly fast an it would. I think a
lot of people are listening to this and not wanting
to really question or call in. I just don't see
anything anybody coming on the line, and that's fine. Tomorrow
(51:44):
is another hour again. We can go and touch on subjects.
If you're free tomorrow to come out and even take
some calls, be specifically there. If not, we just continue
on with this because it is it is a crossroads
right now for America. My opinion, we can't allow again
the Swing States. I analyze what's happening here. Why are
(52:09):
the Swing States being the epicenter for all these illegal
immigrants under Kamala, Comrade Kamala, Why see what's really going
on with that? If you just man you swing it.
There's not going to be a two party system, even
a democracy is not at the risk is not?
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, sure what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, we're gonna take a break, be right back and
close up with my guest today, Ladies and gentlemen, mister
Bill Wyman. Hopefully the next governor of the great State
of Utah, maybe even President of the United States, I
mean the President of Wman.
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