October 22, 2024: Guest Host True Ott w/ guest Phil Lyman

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Joining True for today’s show is Phil Lyman,  a Gubernatorial candidate from Utah to discuss Levels of election fraud and why it matters if we are to hold and defend this REPUBLIC.Website: https://lymanforutah.comPhil joins today with some updates: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=941773621101282&id=100058059582060&rdid=MbOm21QGJkVCe8AJ 


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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, welcome, ladies. Need with that intro, maybe introduced myself.
I'm doctor ahru Otten, filling in as a guest housed
on special invite when Catherine and the group thank you
so much for filling in, and Mike Gully thanks for
your response on last week's two shows, I filled in
where I brought in this saga, the credible, true story

(01:02):
of what's happening here in Utah with our gubernatorial race
involving the people's choice Phil Lyman. Yes, folks, when the
people make their voice heard in a caucus setting leading
up to the state convention, as opposed to a Kamala

(01:24):
Harris who just gets a Robbert stamp at her convention
without a vote when the people say we want a
new change, we want a phil lyman to replace this hypocrite,
this blue man representing himself to be a red guy.

(01:49):
Right now, enough, two thirds majority of the delegates that
we want phil and the law is clear, ladies and gentlemen,
As I told the story, and people just have responded
like holy mackerel. It's a big story. And nationally and
even internationally, it is a story. My goodness, if you

(02:13):
subvert the people's choice, we no longer have a republic,
ladies and gentlemen. Oh, for heaven's sakes, we don't even
have a did I do I dare say the word
a democracy or should I say a d monocrousy demonocracy?
We don't have. We have chaos, ladies, and let me

(02:34):
have rule. We have no rule of law. We have
the check all the above. We have a communist hotalitarian state, basically.
And that's not what our founding fathers enshrined in the
United States Constitution and Bill of Rights. It's just not
what our founding fathers envision and it's not what countless

(02:57):
of men and women have bled and died for battles
since the Revolution was declared. Folks, this is as important
a topic as you can possibly get a hold of.
And it's the battle ground is right here in Utah.
Believe it or not. Oh well, is a governor's race important?
Well yeah, just ask Kamala's running mate, Governor Walls of Minnesota.

(03:23):
Why why Governor Waltz. Why not a Phil Lyman as
a running mate for Donald Trump? Uh? Maybe because well
he's not governor yet. Maybe they want to keep the
honesty and integrity of a Phil Lyman out of the picture.
They want to hide him in the closet, lock away

(03:44):
the key, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Power Hour,
Phil Lyman, Governor elect of Utah. I'm just going to
say it up front. You should be governor. No hands down,
you won the convention. You want the people's voice. Welcome
to the Power Hour, Phil Lyrimon, Thank you for coming on.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Thank you, Doctor Rott. I love I love your energy.
I'm always glad to to kind of see where you're
at on these things. So thank you, Phil.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's a battle we all have to face. I'm not
talking about just here in Utah. I'm talking across the
length of this great country from Maine to California. This
is a battle for we the people. I can't stay
it any stronger. So I'm yes, I am very very

(04:38):
energetic about it. I'm sixty five years old, I'm getting
into my senior years. Okay, there is no better sword
to fall on than the sword of freedom. I mean,
what else can we do with people? You're getting a
few gray hairs in your hair too. We don't have
a whole lot of time left, as far as maybe

(05:00):
twenty five thirty good years left, but you're doing this.
I loved your your rally Thursday. I loved with your
remarks one hundred percent everything that was said, not only you,
but God blessed Natalie Claus and your lieutenant governor running me. Yes,
all the right things. It's not about you. It's about
transparency in government and having to we the people. I

(05:24):
got to tell we don't have a video of this,
but here's this. She must have been all two years old.
She's she's this little intelligent two year old girl, dressed up,
you know, with a full length shirt. Phil Lyman for governor. Right, Yes,
she walks up and takes stills the show as you're
giving your remarks. It couldn't have been better because That's

(05:49):
what it's about, right there, the youngsters coming up, our
grandkids are great. Care. It's called our posterity, right, I mean, man,
it was we could have scripted that better.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, Well, and you do you have the juxtaposition
of our posterity of people, of people at a rally,
you know, leaving their jobs to come up and hear
and have their voices heard, compared to the syndicate that
I call it, which is made up of a bunch
of elected officials and you know, wealthy people and oligarchs
and and they want to say, you know, we control things.

(06:27):
You're not popular with us, therefore you should go away
and stop even trying. Where you go to the people
and they say, we want something different. We're done with
the syndicate, We're done with this, you know, this cabal
that's running the show. And they vote that way, and
they say, well, we really don't care how they vote.
We really don't care about any of that. We are
not giving up the power, and there's nothing you can

(06:48):
do do to force us, least of all an election.
You know, an election is not going to get in
the way of what they're doing. And they've proven that
across the nation, and they're the ones that come out
so strongly. You know, election integrity. We're the most secure
election system in the history of mankind. And you, how
dare you question this and doubt the doubters. Don't doubt

(07:09):
the government and all of this nonsense that the average
person is saying this does not compute. There's a disconnect
when you hear government telling you over and over you
must trust us, and if you don't, you can go
to jail and sit in jail, just like you know
several hundred people are doing now. It's bizarre. We're living
in nineteen eighty four. It's dystopian.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
It couldn't set up better myself. Well said Phil, Thank you,
And so where do we go from here? You've you
send me a press press release early this morning and
I read it and I was like, wow, very well,
very well done. You're still working on that particular press release.
I loved interviewing Natalie. Wow, you couldn't have chosen a

(07:56):
better lieutenant governor running mate period. She is so down
to earth. And you know you've heard the saying, Phil,
the eyes of the window of the soul. I look
deep into those blue eyes of Natalie Clausa and I
saw her soul.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
There there is no agenda, there, only the truth. She's
only interested in the truth.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
She's a mother that wants to fight for the rights
of her children and her grandchildren. That's what I saw
in Natalie Clawson.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, she's she is something else. I agree, And and
what a breath of fresh air in a political landscape
to have somebody like Natalie Clausen who steps forward. And
I mean she didn't want to be, She didn't want
to be the Lieutenant governor Canadate. When I first approached her,
she says, I don't think it's the right time. I've
got kids. I got this. She thought about it for
a day and called up and said, I have to

(08:49):
do this. She's she's fought for so much, you know,
I like religious freedoms and rights for parents and and
and of course elections. So she she's no stranger to
this whole thing. And it's really special.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah. I asked her that first question of my interview
that I taped. I said, what in the world uh
uh prompted Phil to even ask you first of all,
and why what's your agenda for accepting And that's when
I look deep into her eyes and saw her soul completely. Uh.
Sometimes of as an interviewer, when you ask the right questions,

(09:25):
you look deep into the person's eyes and you see
either deceit, deception or pure unadult trade. And honestly, I
saw honesty in her eyes powerfully.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
So you know that for our campaign, and we and
we've emphasized this over and over and over with the
people that we work with. That's all we care about
is telling the truth. We want to be authentic. We
and and and and the main reason, I mean, besides
the fact that it's the right thing to do, people
are so hungry for it and they recognize it. The

(09:57):
average person recognizes if you're if you're a versus telling
them what they what they want to hear. I mean
this is so You've got Spencer Cox. Now he basically
takes my website and runs those as all of his platforms.
It's like, oh, now you're against the EI when you
were for it. Now you're for access to public lands
when you're against it. Now you're for you know, you're
fighting against climate change when you were for it. You know, uh,

(10:18):
I mean just across the board, and hopefully you know
the politicians, the politicians support him, and you know it's like,
oh the Emperor, you know, look at that fancy set
of clothes. But the average person is saying, what what
is going on here? You? You you support Donald Trump
all of a sudden, you know, last week you want
to punch him in the face, and now you now
you're going to Arlington with him and doing photo ops

(10:40):
and and it's just it's it's repulsive to the average.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
And that goes back to I was having a discussion
earlier this morning with some neighbors up in my place,
my my neighborhood. I got to tell you, Phil, one
of my good friends was a delegate to the state convention.
His name is Tim. He's an amazing individual, wealth wise,

(11:10):
education wise, knowledge wise. And his wife Becky both said
we were there, we voted, we saw, we were originally
Cox supporters. They told me the story of why they
changed their leanings from Cos to Phil Lyman. And you
should have heard. Oh, wish I should tape them, because

(11:31):
they said we were just there to be objective. We
took an oath to listen to way the platforms. That's
what we do, is delegates, right, And they says what
really rang true? In our deepest hearts. Was the integrity
and sincerity and honesty of Lyman period. He says, yeah,

(11:58):
won us over.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
The convention was was phenomenal. It was epic and it
was real. And uh, I'm and and again the contrast
I'm not I'm not a great orator or you know,
a great speaker, but the contrast of of me on
the stage and then Cox on the stage or vice versa,

(12:20):
it's like, it's like, uh, yeah, people saw it. People
saw that. Hey, there's somebody here that's telling us the truth.
Another person who is number one. When Cox was there,
he's reprimanding the Dell like it's telling him they're irrelevant,
their their vote doesn't matter. And it's like, what are
you doing? I mean, he really dropped the ball. And
this is the this this gets to what we're talking
about now. You know, if you if you drop the

(12:40):
ball and you don't make the touchdown, you don't get
the points, even though you say, well, I could have
made a touchdown, I could have done this. And this
is what we're hearing now from again from the from
the syndicate, from the elected people in the state, and
and and the media is is oh well, you know,
it doesn't it doesn't matter, feels wrong no matter what
he says. Spencer Cox's right, no matter what he says.

(13:03):
And and we're going to push that narrative on people
and keep beating them up if they if they if
they disagree with this, they will be sorry because we'll
beat them up. And it's like that they can do
that all day long with Natalie and I because we
were not affected by the negativity.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I've said this for thirty plus years in radio broadcasting,
Phil I'll say it again here today on the record.
The mantra of Joseph Garbels is simply this, tell a
people a lie often enough and forcefully enough, they begin
to believe it is truth. And that's what's happening here
with this controlled media. You are not being given a

(13:43):
fair shake. And you have to ask why. I mean, Utah,
Deseret News, the KSL, the media. Where were they at
your rally on Thursday? Nonexistent? Well there was a reporter
They're from Deseret but that's it, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
And Desera News, I think they're the worst media organization
in the state the trip you can depend on them
to to twist a story. I mean, that's kind of
their their the role that they play, and we we
we know who they are. The Deset News tries to
portray themselves as having some some some level of virtue
and they they don't. They're they've sold their soul. I cannot,

(14:23):
I cannot stomach dealing with the Desert News. And yeah,
they had two reporters there talking to me about you said,
you said that Governor Cox or you or you said
that the report said there was fraud. I said, I
didn't say that. The report said that, yes you did. No,
I didn't. And I said, but the report And then
they say, but the report says there was no fraud.
I said, it doesn't say that. These are people who
do not understand what an internal audit process is. They're

(14:46):
not going to come out and say there's fraud. They're
not going to come out and say there is no fraud.
They're going to say, this is a report, this is
what we found. And and I'm getting off track here
a little bit. But that report, the fact that internal
auditors put out their results number one, before the election
because they didn't have to, and number two that they
put out the results that Spencer Cox likely did not
get his signatures from internal auditors. That's huge. You would

(15:10):
expect it from an independent firm, that's what you want
him to do. But for internal auditors to do that,
to me, it's code for hey, people, you better pay
attention to this. I was very proud of the Speaker
of the House and the President Sentate for allowing that
report to go out because they could have blocked it.
They're the head of the audit committee. And so all
of these things came together to tell Utah, Utah, you

(15:31):
you should open your eyes and pull on this thread.
And that's all that the legis. That's all that internal
auditors did say, here's a thread. Why don't you pull
on this because our statistics show he likely did not
get his signatures. It's massive, it's it's it's ground shaking.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
So and that's it. Phil. You know, you're I graduated
in accounting, You're in a c you're a CPA. We
understand what an audit is. You're exactly right. I turned
down an internal audit position Burlington Northern in Minnesota. I
absolutely absolutely did. You know that's part of the part
of Walls's story. You know, coming out of Minnesota. I

(16:10):
you know, Minnesota is a sleeper. Okay, it really is,
but you understand that's exactly right. You use numbers to
draw statistical inferences. That's what an auditor does. And so
the other report is not about saying somebody's right or wrong,

(16:31):
guilty or fraudulent or whatever. It just shows here's the numbers.
It points to this, the key numbers, five hundred and
seventy two. Right, that's the structural number that says that's
how many net false signatures, which makes them under twenty thousand,
which which means simply, in easy to understand laid language,

(16:56):
he did not meet the threshold. Ergo, he's illegit.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah. So, and they do this based on statistics, and
statistics are are you know, very accurate? They can tell you,
you know, this is ninety five percent. There, so two things,
there's one of two things that has to happen. Either
he has to say, you know, I'm I didn't meet it.
You know, I apologize to my opponent for saying all
these mean things. I didn't meet the threshold. I'm done,

(17:24):
or or the Lieutenant governor drops him out, or he says,
I demand a full forensic audit of all twenty eight
thousand signatures. I think I got it. But he obviously
doesn't think he got those twenty eight thousand signatures, or
he would have been saying that from the very beginning
instead of saying you can't look at my signatures, or
the lieutenant governor saying, how dare you ask to look
at the signatures? A week before we asked to look

(17:47):
at the governor's signatures, they were inviting people in to
look over all of the nomination petitions for state school
boards and state senators. It's like, oh, yeah, obviously you
can look at these nominating petitions up until we asked
his governor Coxes, and then it was like no, And
I think they were. I think they were in panic
mode behind the scenes. And so the response is, Okay,

(18:09):
not only are they are we not going to let
them look at the signatures. Let's attack them, Let's go
after them. Let's throw another alignment on the ballot just
to create a diversion and create chaos and create all
these things. And the biggest frustration, the biggest disappointment to
me is the Utah GOP for not standing their ground
and saying we want an honest candidate to be our nominee.

(18:29):
Had they done that, they probably would have had me
on the ballot. But now what they've got is Spencer
Cox on the ballot, who will likely be disqualified and
all the votes for Cox will just be not counted.
They're going to end up without a Republican on the ballot.
And I think that and I honestly I think that's
very likely that that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well, they can, yes, and that's the wild horse. Wild CARDIV.
This horse, in my opinion, is the Utah Supreme Court.
They have They completely have the ability to rule on
this and to call a special election, bring in the
Democratic nominally, bring in the republic and bring in an independent,

(19:12):
but have a separate There's no reason why they can't.
Nothing set in stone that it has to be the
fifth of November Tuesday, doesn't have to be the US
Supreme The US Supreme Court can rule on it. Soak
in the Utah Supreme Court and and have you know.
It doesn't take a whole lot to put up another
ballot and have a special election. It just doesn't. But

(19:36):
the question is will they And that goes back to, oh,
I don't want this hot potato on my desk I'm
going to pass it alone. I'm not going to hear this.
I don't want to. I don't want to be on
a hot seat. I don't want to put my big
boy pants on or my big girl skirt on and
make a draw a line in the sand. And I
don't I don't want to be controversial.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Well, and here, you know, we brought our case to
the Utah Supreme Court a couple of months ago and said, hey,
this is a problem. We don't believe that Spencer Spencer
Cox got his signatures. We don't believe that he won
the primary election. We can't look at either one of those.
And both are important if you're going to circumvent the
caucus system to get on the ballot, and you've got

(20:21):
to win a you've got to get signatures and win
a primary. And we can't look at either one of those.
We can't verify a single thing, and we called for
his disqualification. Then, of course they came back with basically
a statement says, we don't like you. Go away, we
don't want to hear from you. You're not popular, you're
not you're not And those things somehow seem to resonate inside,

(20:44):
you know, the syndicate and on Capitol Hill, it's like,
that's what really motivates people. The problem is you've got
to look at the facts. You've got to say, well,
wait a second, let's take a look at this. Did
he get his signatures? If they had to ask that question,
they could have said, could somebody give us information on this?
And they would have asked for the you know, a
little bit of an audit, a tiny a tiny fraction,

(21:06):
and then they would have asked why is this so closed?
Why is there no transparency in this process? And instead
of doing that, they said, go away, Phi Lymon, you're
an idiot. You're a I mean literally, I mean almost literally.
And you know, Judge Durant like, I'm not going to
hear this case. You know it's open and shut. You

(21:26):
have no basis, you have no case. I don't bring
things baselessly. I don't. I don't make up stuff because
I want to be the governor. In fact, all of this,
my run for governor was to expose what I knew
was going on in this system. And it's been miraculous
that we've actually been able to uncover it. When we
didn't go away after the primary and said well, we're
not going away because and why are we not going away?

(21:49):
Because I said in the debate when they asked the question,
will you accept the results of the election? I said,
we will verify the results of the election, whether we
win or lose, and we're going to do it. We
are going to It's like I want to see I
want to see the results of the election. I want
the CASTLOWD records or for a qualified independent party to

(22:09):
look at the CASTBOAD records something. But to just say,
you know, how dare you ask for transparency? Utah is
the Utah is the least transparent state in the nation.
I believe there's no state that compares to our lack
of transparency. And to have a republican state, a red
state that that treats people this way and disregards their

(22:32):
right to you know, observe their own elections, it's astonishing
and it's got to change. The governor's race is secondary
to the fight that we're fighting, which is this has
to change.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
It does absolutely. There would.

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Speaker 2 (25:12):
And we're back. Lady is Nilman. I'm your guest host,
Doctor A Truett. Yes, this is the Power Hour. Yeah,
first half an hour. We had a great conversation with
I'm still continuing on the conversation with gubernatorial candidate in Utah,
Phil Lineman. Phil, thanks again for coming on the show.
Wow they again, why do we have a judiciary? I mean,

(25:37):
just let's just talk about this straight up. We have
the three branches of government. We have the executive, which
is the governor. We have the legislature, House and Senate,
and we have the judiciary. There's a reason for the judiciary,
as you say, it's to clarify legal issues. The Senate

(25:57):
Bill fifty four which was passed to bypass the caucus
and convention process, right, do they can that supersede the
voice of we the people? And the fact you got
two thirds vote of the delicate vote that the law
is clear. Now we need the Supreme Court to basically

(26:19):
basically clarify the law. Does Senate Bill fifty four supersede
in every way the voice of the people if you
got over two thirds majority? My my, again looking at
this as myself as an armchair attorney, it was I'm
not a bar attorney like your running mate is, but
I it's pretty clear to me that the law says

(26:42):
you get two thirds of the voter over sixty percent,
you're directly in to the general election. In November. End
of story. It's it's unequivocal. The Senate Bill fifty four
is a bunch of million mouthed nonsense. And this was
the debate when SB fifty four was brought up. What's

(27:04):
going to happen in case of this type of scenario.
That's that's that's not going to happen. The people aren't
going to do that. There's no such thing as as
as overriding the convention vote. That's exactly what's happened, Phil.
And it's wrong that the Supreme Court, what is there

(27:28):
five Supreme Court justices to sit down and to write
a majority vote or not put your big boy pants
on and make us let us stand. It's this. It's
this to me, Phil being lukewarm and saying, oh, well,
you know, we don't want to touch this one. It's

(27:51):
a political hot potato. That's wrong with the capital w
That's what you're paid for, Supreme Court, not to worry
about appeals in this type of overwheling. This No, this
is where the robber mats the road. It's the most
important thing you you focused robes on for in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Right well, and if you take a step back away
from the chaos and the emotion and the politics of it.
You take a step back and you say, okay, what
do we have in our state or in our country,
and we have these elections. There are things that are
put in place for us to help to get a
representative form of public or a representative form of government.

(28:35):
And you have access, you can look at these things.
You can say, okay, well I want to at least
look at this part of the of the ballot. And
if the answer is no, no, no, no, no, then
you're left with basically saying we will do whatever we
want and there's nothing you can do about it. And
that's essentially what the Lieutenant governor was saying. She sent

(28:56):
a letter out to all of the clerks of the state.
Do not give them any information anything they ask for,
do not give them the information. So we do a
grammar request saying hey, first, you know, in early June,
we went and said we've got a concern about these signatures,
and we started saying that. Natalie went straight to the
Lieutenant Governor's office and says, I want to see the packets. No,
you can't see the package. We do a grammar request.

(29:18):
We go through the grammar process. Then that sends us
to the State record Of course, that's denied, so we
go to the State Records Committee. They say, oh, well,
there's an investigation going here, there's this happening. You can't
look at these records. So they deny the records requests.
Then we go to court and we do a motion
to expedite, and the judge says, there's no urgency here.

(29:39):
We don't need to expedite this. You know, come back
in come back in December, come back next year. We'll
talk about it. Then, I mean absurd stuff. So we
appeal that. We're still in court. We're going through all
this process, and in the meantime, finally somebody comes out,
the Legislative auditors and they say it looks like Spencer
Cox didn't get his signatures, and it's like, thank you.

(30:00):
We could have handled this through the State Records Committee,
we could have handled it through the Lieutenant Governor's office,
and we could have handled it in any number of
ways prior to getting to this point where now we're
in mid mid cycle of this election and it's going
to be it's going to be a problem for the GOP.
They should have fought with us. They should have said,
wait a second, you can't circumvent our system and then

(30:24):
say you can't look at my signatures or my election results.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Well, Tim, Tim, like I said, my friend and neighbor
asked me. He says, what's your thoughts on the caucus
and the delegate vote? I says, as an accountant looking
at the numbers, numbers don't lie, but liars fudge numbers. Okay.
If you have the honest numbers on, you know, in

(30:49):
front of you to look at, then you can pretty
much determine what's going on. That's why you fought the old.
The old saying is so true, Phil, follow the money, right,
follow the money. If you hide the money, right, you
hide a lot of crime. Crime. And so you know
it wasn't it wasn't the Fed the g man that

(31:11):
brought down al Capone. It was a lowly accountant, okay,
that followed the money.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
And exactly and when you yeah, and when you you know,
there's this this is one tiny thing that that this
governor has done that that that are just it's just wrong.
But you can't you can't nail them down. They won't
let you look at anything. We finally get one thing.
It's like, Okay, this is a smoking gun. Literally, it
is a smoking gun. And what they come back with

(31:39):
was like, yeah, but he had twenty eight more days
he could have gotten his signature. Yeah, well this and
then and they just start to like it's it's just
like making up nonsensical rationalizations to bypass this. Uh yes,
but but it's not going to work. I'm afraid it's
not gonna work. If I go away. If I said, look,
I'm done, I'm not fighting this fight anymore. At this point,

(31:59):
this would not go away because the because the the
the cats out of the bag. It's like, all right,
and if even if he takes office, if he becomes
the governor, the vast majority of the state is going
to know that they have an illegitimate governor. And if
and if if that's if that's what he's comfortable doing,
then you know it's gonna be the detriment of Utah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
You know. There there was a there was a famous
infamous University of Utah football game, and I witnessed. I
watched it, and it happened again just this last weekend. Actually,
most wasn't sure if it's a collegiate game where a
it was a professional football game NFL game. They Yeah,

(32:43):
the runner had had evaded all of the opposition, it
was approaching the goal line and overconfident through the ball,
fumbled the ball, just left the ball on the one
yard line, thinking he crossed the plane. No, he didn't.
Out they can argue, oh my goodness, let's do a replay.

(33:06):
He didn't cross the plane, but he could have helped
it to him anyway. It was wide open. He got it. No,
the rules of the game says this, you have to
cross the plane of the goal. What part of this
don't you get? Now, it's like this in the game
of life. Phil, you fudge the rules, you fudge the law.

(33:31):
You have anarchy. If you don't follow the rules of
crossing the plane of the goal, throw the whole game
out because it's meaningless.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Exactly, yeah, Will then what does any of it make?
And that's where we're at with SB fifty four. It's like, well,
if I can if I can get signatures and I
don't have to verify the signatures, I don't have to
do anything, then then those signatures are now meaningless. I
think this is a huge blow to SB fifty four,
and it's definitely a huge blow to gather signatures. People

(34:01):
will think twice. I mean, no one's ever no one
has ever challenged the signatures of these candidates in the past.
And I'm not saying that there's that there's broad cheating.
You know, this is there. There were a few different
companies involved, and the auditors showed that the company that
Spencer Cox used had a much higher level of problems

(34:22):
than some of the other companies. And I think they
were I think they were cavalier. I thought, I think
they really thought, no one's ever going to look, don't
worry about it. We've you know what, what what can
they do? We've got the governor on our side.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
So if there ain't no dead body skeletons in your closet,
then open the.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Door, right right right, yeah, yeah, And that's what if.
And this again, you know this, this like insult to
injury stuff. So the night of the election, the night
of the primary election, twenty six minutes in uh, the
AP or whatever declared victory for Spencer Cox. He gets

(35:00):
on immediately and gives a speech and condemns me for
not conceding. And I said, look, I just want to wait.
I mean, we're we barely have to tip the tip
off of the game. You know, we're it's like, let's
at least wait till halftime and maybe I and you know,
maybe we can talk about it then. But to say,
you know, Phil Lyman won't concede. And then he said
something that I think is really relevant to this. He says,

(35:21):
if I lost, if I lost the election, even by
five votes, I would concede immediately. So it's like, all right, Spencer,
looks like you didn't get signatures, eighty votes shy, at
least concede. Just just call up and say I didn't
get my signatures. Either that or call for a forensic audience.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
If I would use further than that, Phil, you lost
in the convention, you'd bozo. You lost resoundingly, Pack it in,
Pack in your dumbo tent, and go play some other
circus someplace else. You lost fair and square in convention.
Pack it in.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
And it's never an It's never happened before. There's never
been any incumbent governor that failed to get forty percent
at convention and force a primary, at least to force
a primary. So the fact, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Sorry, I was a delegate. I forget the exact year
it's where it's when Oh golly, Senator Bennett was shocked
at convention. Remember that.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, oh yeah, I was there too. That was my
first state convention.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
You know what does Senator Benna do? Cry? He he
he was a statesman and backed down, says the will
of people spoke. You got to give him credit for that,
right right, And that's what I told him today, my friend,
I said, you know, you're you know, look at the

(36:45):
demographics of who who are the delegates. It's it's gained
by population. You know, of You've got the large amount
of delegates from Salt Lake and Yutak counties, but then
every every part of every county in the state is represented.
It's it's what's right with Republicanism. The Republican from a government,

(37:08):
it is the grassroots. And most of the time, I
say ninety nine percent of the time, the people are
smart enough to know if they if they care enough
to come in and become a delegate, and and if
they have a heart that's objective, like Tim is a
brain to think with. Okay, well, I like what Cox

(37:31):
is doing a lot of things economically, But wait a minute,
let's hear what Phil has to say. And Phil, you
sway them. That's important.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
It is important.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
What's pure. If you subvert that, you throw away all
the rules of the game. You have no more football
game rules. That's my point. We have anarchy as a result.
We don't have Republican from m government republic. We don't
have it anymore. So stick a fork on us. We're done.

(38:04):
This is why this is so important, ladies and gentlemen.
Why this governor's race in Utah will send ripples all
the way to Washington, these district of criminals. It needs to.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
You know, I've appreciated a couple of national figures that
have called me in the last two days and said,
this is the biggest election story in the United States
right now. Why is your media not covering it there
in Utah?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
That's it?

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, thank you, that's the right question. And I said,
and I and I told him, I said, I'm on
I'm on podcasts, after podcasts, I am there is a
media section that is covering this, but it's not going
to be the mainstream media. So thank you for covering
And I hope, I hope some of the mainstream medias
is listening. I mean, I'm getting text right and left
can you give me this. Can you mean that? It's like,
I know, I don't talk to you people anymore. All

(38:53):
you do is lie about these things. You just you take,
you take the truth, and you write the opposite in
your stories and people to believe it. And and I
honestly I I they can write whatever they want at
this point. If people don't have discernment, if they can't
see through what's going on, then they're not going to
be people that support freedom. And uh, you know, a

(39:15):
republican form of governments, as you said, you know, and
that's what we were guaranteed. This is a republican form
of government. Is the convention system, is the precincts and
the delegates and all those things. The other you know,
this idea of you know, a threat to the democracy.
It's like that is that is that is what they're
trying to indoctrinate, is that, oh, you want a republican
form of government that means popular vote by everybody. And

(39:37):
it's like they're they're perverting that whole idea. Doesn't mean
to have a republican form of government.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Let's throw this into a bigger picture. I And this
is something that the them again the mainstream media just
won't cover on the national scale. We have Kamala Who
who's she is such a liar. I mean she can
play fastness of the truth. She says, oh I got these,
I worked my way up working at McDonald's. No, there's

(40:04):
no history whatsoever to the Social Security administration. She ever
flipped a burger of McDonald's. Okay, And so what did
what did President Trump do? He went and took forty
five minutes, put on his golden arches apron, and went
in and flipped burger's at McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Oh yeah, classic, he was classic.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
And he actually manned the drive through and he had
a SoundBite the whole thing he did before. And I
think it was genius. Whoever this says, Now I can
officially say I've got worth fifteen more minutes on McDonald's
than Kamala House.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, that's so that's that's so good. I mean, yeah,
that's taking taking something instead of you making it all serious,
just going, you know, show it for what it is,
show the hypocrisy for what it is.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
But see it's bigger than that too, Phil That's why
it's so genius. It hits people where they work. I
mean people in America for whatever, for good or bad,
they'll they'll drive through and get a coffee and a
donut and pastriot McDonald's or an egg McMuffin. That's part
of Americana. Okay, don't lie about that. Be honest and transparent.

(41:17):
I mean, people, again, it goes back to who who
is telling the truth here? Who do you trust? Do
you trust this? I'd even say loosely. She is so
evil because she's such a liar, fraud in every shape
of the word. Do you want to trust her with

(41:38):
the key codes for the nuclear arms? I mean, come on,
be honest, people, what's your what's your best? I mean,
let's be frank. I was blown away phil watching the
Sixty Minutes when she was just after she gained the
nomination when she made the reference. So sometimes he goes
hawk Tua and sped on that thing. I looked at

(42:01):
what what? How was that not edited? But it wasn't.
She was basically saying, I slept my way to the top.
That's what she was really saying in my opinion. All right,
how does that equate to meeting with a Vladimir Putin

(42:22):
or Benjamin dad In? Yahoo? Hey, guys, uh, I got
a private meeting for you in this private room. Let's
let's still take care of business. Do we want that
as Americans? Do we deserve better than that? As Americans?
I would say, not only yes, we deserve better? Hell yes,
how is she even on the on the ballot? Frankly,

(42:45):
let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
So yes, she didn't. She didn't win a primary. Nobody
voted for her. She got zero votes, zero votes, and
she's and she's the candidate all of a sudden, It's like, yeah,
that is that is like how does this happen? But
in this, in this you know, nineteen for a world
that we're living in, anything can happen, and we're and
we're just supposed to, you know, move along, don't don't question,
don't ask. And it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
So the media just blasted Trump over over that McDonald's instead.
Oh yeah, I mean it's blasted I'm all the way.
Uh oh, well look at this. He's just such a
such a threat to democracy. He's attacking Camalo over this
silly little mcdonald'sy. No, it's not silly, it's hard or

(43:31):
root of the problem.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yeah, and to to to bring it, you know, back
to Spencer Cox, the night of the that he gave
his speech. The person says, what do you say to
the conservatives, who you know, say this about He said,
they're not conservatives, they're not conservatives, and and she said, well,
what are they? He said, they're populists, like like they're dirty,
awful populist. Well, the opposite of populist is an elitist.

(43:55):
And I'd rather be a populist than an eglist elitist.
And this is where Trump. It's like all of the elitists,
they they they're losing their minds over him. And he's said, well,
that's all right. The people love me, and the people
do love him. Why because he goes to McDonald's and
he says funny things and he's got mean tweets, and
it's like the guy is so relatable and you don't
get the impression ever that he has this you know,

(44:17):
this underhanded scheme uh to cheat the American people. And
and but the elites, man, they they they are losing
their their brains on Donald Trump and everything he does
and everything he says. And I feel the same thing
is happening on a on a you know, different scale
here in Utah.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
You're right, you're exactly right, Phil, and uh yeah this
uh again, thank you for the time. We're getting you
a few few more minutes left in the interview.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
And againness, I do want to I do want to
point out one thing if if I got a second
to do it, and it's and and this has never
been talked about until the Legislative auditors pointed out and
they said, we looked at all the packets. How do
they say that even the packets that the Davis County
Clerk Office flagged for having many non matching signatures and

(45:06):
were subsequently they sent to the Attorney General's office. These
are a bunch of packets from Spencer Cox that aren't
in any of the numbers.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Because whoa, whoa, that's huge.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
It's isn't it. It is huge. It's like, oh, well,
we're counting all your packets, Governor, We're not going to
count We're not going to even count these or include
them in the in the total. We're going to take
them straight to the Attorney General's office, which means there's
some kind of an investigation going, but nobody will talk
about that. So we're talking about you know, like LIKEO
like he's got a very clean operation. Oh, except for

(45:39):
these things that we kind of so basically they sanitized
his whole his whole operation before they actually said okay,
now we'll count these. That's why he came up with
a razor thin margin four hundred and ninety two extra votes.
Is is razor thrint thin on twenty eight thousand, you know,
compared to his you know, John Curtis and Derek Brown
who had you know, several thousand, or Jason Walton who

(46:01):
turned in like fifty thousand signatures just to make sure
he could get the twenty eight thousand. Spencer Cox didn't
have to do that because he assumed he had all
of these other signatures that they said, no, clearly, clearly,
these are fraudulent packets, these signatures, And so you're wondering, well,
where's the prosecution on that, where's the news story on that?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, where is the attorney general on this? Because I
remember I sent you a text and you responded to
it golly two or three months ago, and I brought
this very thick thing. If one of those signatures is forced,
it is called intrinsic fraud. And then if intrinsic fraud

(46:42):
that can be proven to the attorney general investigation. It
voids all fraud, avoids all process. That's why it's so
important not to have one single forged signature period now.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Or at least you have a system that finds those
and reports them. This was this was fraudulent, and you
do something about it.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, because that I mean fraud voids all contracts. And
this is one of one of the things I did
ask Natalie in my interview with her. She looked at
me and she says, you're exactly right. I asked her
the salient question, how strong is your case? And she says,
extremely strong, And it is you have. You have got
a perfect running mate. She's a fireball.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
She's fearless. She is she is fearless, and she's so
nice about it, and she's so kind, absolutely fearless.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
She puts an iron fist in the velvet glove. And
that's what you need with this one. I tell you, Uh, well,
so where do we go from here? Phil, We've got
you've got this press release going on. I know you're
very busy. Taking the time for an hour's interview is fantastic.
Thank you. I would just gosh, it is the most

(47:56):
important political story in the cycle in America period.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, we're working. We're working with the State Central Committee.
There's like I see a lot of members there that
are very concerned about this, and rightfully so. So we're
working with them. We're working with legislators, We're working with leadership,
We're working with you know. Another thing on this, the
DEDRA announced early on there will be no conflict of
interests because I'm we are turning all of this over

(48:22):
to a contract independent person, Greg Bell, who will oversee
every aspect of this of this election. We've never heard
a word from Greg Bell. He's never weighed in on it.
This would be the one time, Greg, if you're listening,
come in disqualify the governor, or at least say that
he has to prove that he got his saggers. That'd
be the one act that he's done. Dedra's done everything

(48:44):
and Greg Bell was just a smokescreen and people should
be offended by that as well.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Has Greg Bell even been approached? Is that a lie?
I you've verified that Greg Bell's involved.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
I don't know. No, I don't know. Absolutely silence. I've
never seen I've never seen a statement, I've never seen
his face, I've never seen a response and email. So
from my from my observation, he is not part of this.
You know where he has a contract. I don't know.
He probably does have a contract.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
But then if she made the rations, again, your part
of your your role is verification. If she has made
those and and claimed claimed there has been a contract,
and that's that's and then that's another fraudulent thing going on.
It's all these things keep adding up and and again.
If you're if you're lying to begin with, if your

(49:36):
whole uh basis is to cover up lies and malfeasance,
it just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Dedre Okay, stop
back up. Uh oops, I only got thirty three percent
of the delicate vote. I lost. Goodbye Cyanawa. Hit the

(49:58):
road tra again next year.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Yeah, it's thirty two point four six percent.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Less than a thirty Thank you for that, less than
thirty three percent. That's the account But who's.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Counting, right? And I didn't know you're an accountant, that's
no Wonderho we speak kind of the same language, and
accountants really do they kind of they really do kind
of speak the same language. It's not like not what
you want to hear, it's just the facts. Yeah, I
can't help it. That's what it says.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
So and I'm sorry if it's not popular, ladies and gentlemen.
Truth never is, very seldom is anyway.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Well, you're amazing and and I and you know people
that are willing to talk about this. I'm very very grateful.
I don't take it. I don't take it lightly. And
it sometimes it sounds like we're having fun and stuff,
but ultimately this is very very important and I and
I see that.

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