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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Welcome America to the Power Hour. This is your guest
host Sheriff Mac and I'm no stranger to the Power Hour.
I've been here those last twenty years, and I've been
on the show since it started. And I have a
very dear friend that started this whole thing, and that
was Joyce Riley, and may God rest her soul and
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may God bless her for the work she did for America. Folks,
we have a Barnburner show for you today, someone who
is no stranger to this network or this show. But
force folks, Before we get to our guests, how about
some of the news going on in America. Did you
see the judge in Virginia who said it's that the
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state has to has to put non citizen voters back
on the registration roles to vote that is against the law. Okay, folks,
just so that we know that and who died and
made him the final say, does the governor of Virginia
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have to follow a federal judge. Let's see what the
United States Supreme Court said in the most powerful tenth
Amendment state sovereignty decision in the history of America. Folks,
go to c SPOA dot org and get your own
Booklets look at the name of that it's white with
all the state flags on it. Get this book because
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this is when the sheriff's of seven sheriffs of this
country suit the federal government and won you want this
book because why we have held, however, the state legislatures
are not subject to federal direction. Then Scaliah clarifies that
in the order of the Court when he said the
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federal government may neither issue directives requiring the states to
address particular problems, nor command the states officers or those
of their political subdivisions. Folks, the governor of Virginia is
not subject to federal direction. Their legislature isn't and the
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states officers are not. And this federal judge has no
business getting in the involved in that, and not only
that what he's doing is illegal. Then we just got
to We just heard from Sheriff Smidt in Wisconsin, a
swing state. Oh, by the way, what's going to happen
one week from tomorrow, folks? Wow, this is going to
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change America either way. I am so afraid. And what
did Obama and Biden and now Comma the promises fundamental
change to America? Folks? That fundamental change is the destruction
of our US constitution. We've got to take that back
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and not continue to vote for these people who want
to destroy America. Wow. So we have a good sheriff
from Wisconsin, Sheriff Schmidt, who came out publicly. It's all
over the internet. Google Sheriff Schmidt and you'll find it
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his video warning us, warning America and warning Wisconsin that
they had better vote for Donald Trump. It's not political.
It's for the safety of his state and his county
that he's doing this. This is not a political ad.
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It is a warning ad that the Kamala Harris administration
will continue what they've been doing the last nearly four years. Folks.
You don't judge people by what they say. You judge
them by what they have done and what they do.
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And Kamala Harris will be the last knell in the
coffin to our constitution. She admits it readily. I think
it's really funny when she says we have to enforce
the Constitution. What part of that does she want to enforce?
The Second Amendment of freedom of speech, the right to
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peaceably assemble? How about no excessive finds or bail from
the eighth Amendment? How about no cruel and unusual punishment,
which she is going to do. Folks, The problem with
Kamala Harris and the others with her is they do
not understand one simple principle of liberty, and that is
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the fruits of my labor belong to me, not to
my neighbors, and not to the government. The fruits of
my labor belong to me. And what did Trump just
say on the Joe Rogan Show podcast. He wants to
get rid of the income tax. That's the first time
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he's really said something that really has a lot of
traction and should take place. Why because, folks, we are
entirely wasting the federal income tax. Because It simply goes
to their corrupt spending interest on their corrupt debt. Our
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money doesn't go to save anything, help anybody build new infrastructure,
or help the people in North Carolina. It just goes
to the politician corrupt interest rate on our national debt.
You think that could get worse. Yes, she's guaranteed that
it will because she is meant. She wants to raise
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taxes and especially on big business.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Who do you think offers jobs to Americans? The government? No,
it's entrepreneurs. It's big business. Do you know how many
jobs Amazon and a lot of these other big businesses create.
They are the ones who make amere Erica great. They
are the ones who keep us fed. They're the ones
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who keep us employed. It is not the government. The
government and its regulations just get in the way, Folks.
He's been here before, he'll be here again. And today
we have the victim of the greatest election fraud happening
in real time right now by the Rhino mafia in Utah,
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one of the most corrupt states ever. We're trying to
clean it up, but we need him in office to
do it, and that is none other than Phil Lyman.
Welcome back to the Power Hour, my.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Friend, Thanks Sheriff, it's always good to be with you.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Thanks for that introduction.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
And you're right, Utah has got some serious, serious problems.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Okay, well let's go back. I know you've been on
the Power Hour before, but I even want to get
caught up. And you and I talk frequently, but I
guess I guess what the bottom line question I want
to know? Have you ever been contacted by corrupt Governor
Spencer Cox? Now, look, I call him corrupt because he's
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done some shenanigans and he wasn't a very governor, a
very good governor. He's very moderate to leftists in what
he does as governor, so he kind of pretends to
be a Republican. I guess he's an epitome of a Rhino.
But I want to know, during all this, the shenanigans
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and cover up of the election frauded in your race
and the governor's race for Utah Governor, has he or
his campaign ever reached out to you to talk to
you about it?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
No? No, I mean I have certain dealings with the
Lieutenant Governor because I have to, because she's in charge
of overseeing the entire race on a single ticket with
the governor. So I've had to have dealings, have dealings
with the lieutenant governor, and a few emails back and forth.
But no, nothing, nothing from the governor or his campaign.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But even the lieutenant governor who is in charge of
all elections for the state. Correct.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
She hasn't said, well, listen, you know, we would like
to sit out and talk with you, or I would
like to ask you to drop out or whatever. She
never said anything like that.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
No, she's blocked. She's blocked everything we've done. I mean
absolutely everything, from my first application for a lieutenant governor
through any grammar request. She's in charge of all of
the grammar requests for signatures, for voter records. She's in
charge of the voter rolls. She won't turn those over.
She won't turn over castboard records. She all she does
is get on, you know, if we do a request,
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and she'll do. In fact, she's having a meeting this
morning with all the clerks, and I would love to
hear what she's telling him. But she she gets on,
sends out an email saying, you know, do not give
these people anything. Do not give Phil Lyman and his
campaign anything. No, voter records, no voter rolls, no access
to signatures, none of those things. She did a big
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conference last week and she stood up and she, you know,
shook her finger and very sternly said, doubt the doubters.
Do not doubt the government. Doubt the doubters, doubt those
people who are undermining the trust, you know, and it's
just like wow, you're just you're watching this.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
It's like, man, this is like.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Nineteen forties style speech that I'm just like, wow, this
this person is out of touch and really controlling every
aspect of the election of the communications. The media is horrible.
The courts are horrible, all of them. You know, all
the judges appointed by Cox or his predecessors. It's just
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what you would call a kind of a syndicate here,
and they take care of each other and are going
to do whatever it takes to protect And I love
when we get a little bit of extra internalized outside
of Utah looking at Utah and saying.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
What in the world is happening? You know, we've got
a lot of that going on right now.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Was she the one that also paid about five hundred
thousand dollars of taxpayer dollars out of Utah to put
billboard signs all across the freeways saying that Utah has
the most secure and honest and fair elections of any
state in the Union. Isn't that what she put out?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yes, it was after a visit that I had with
her in twenty twenty one dealing with the twenty twenty election,
and I just showed her some inconsistencies from the voter
records and the voter rolls to the Castvow records. And
she was astonished, and she said, how is that even
possible that you get two hundred percent turnout from a precinct?
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And I said, I don't know, but let's find out.
Let's answer that question. I'm these are your records, They're
not my records. Instead of instead of answering the question,
she made an edict that no one must ever look
at the Castvow records again. And then she put up
billboards up and down nine fifteen. It spent over five
one hundred thousand dollars on a propaganda campaign that we
are the gold standard of elections. And again, you know,
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to to doubt that, the doubters, they did an op
ed that said, you know, we're undermining confidence we're promoting
the big lie where I mean, these are Republicans. They
call us right wing extremists. They call the delegates of Utah.
They go to convention and spend their whole Saturday, they're
doing their job.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
They call them right wing extremists.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I mean, these are awards that are that are used
by our enemies, not by our friends and uh. And
so so it's very revealing as to what we're dealing
with here, with with the governor, with the Lieutenant governor,
and with a lot of the people that are in
that are in power at the you know, the legislature,
the media.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Obviously it's insane.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well you know why I call it the Rhino Mafia
of Utah. But it it it actually goes further than that, uh,
because I think it goes to anyone of any party
who simply wants to maintain the status quo and make
sure that they understand that Utah is the gold standard
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for elections and the propaganda scheme, which the Lieutenant governor
knows that that sort of thing works because everybody's been
using that for time infinitum, uh to win elections or
anything else they want to win. But this is this
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is where I want to go. I want to go
back to the beginning. First, you file to run for
governor about a year ago, right, and and you you
aren't experienced. I hate to say the word politician, but
you are. I'm not going to say it. You are
an experienced statesman within Utah. You're a former county commissioner.
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You're right now a state rep.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Correct in the legislature.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You're in the House of Represives for the state of Utah.
How long have you been doing that?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Six years?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
And I was eight years as a commissioner and went
to jail for my activities as a commissioner. Yeah, this
is not trivial to me. And I've never never ran
for office because I wanted the office.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Honestly.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Fourteen years ago, I saw some things happen and I
was determined I was going to find out why why
is there so much collusion between people who hate us
and the people who are supposed to be protecting us.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, I was very familiar with your arrest. You were
part of a protest to get Bureau land Management and
for Service to be fair and honest with allowing people
allowing as if allowed that we have to be we
have to bow down to the federal government and kiss
their ring in order to be on public clans in
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the state of Utah. Isn't that pretty much the issue?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Yeah, and shutting down all of our industries while we're
supposed to just you know, thank them for whatever they leave.
So and what they had left us was tourism and
recreation in San Juan County, the wealthiest county in Utah
in terms of its mineral wealth, all of that shut down,
cattle being shut down, and all of it with this,
with this narrative, well, you can replace all of that
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income with recreation and tourism, and they are great, they
are great businesses. But then they once you've given up
all your productive industries, they come in and say, you
know what, we really don't like recreation and tourism either,
and they can turn your light, your economy off and
on like a light switch, which they did October first
of twenty thirteen, which kind of you know, spurred the protest,
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and a perfectly legal protest that led to my being
charged federally with the misdemeanor conspiracy to trespass. Four other
people were also charged. It was it was a political
hit job if I've ever seen one.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And we've got to get some constitutional sheriffs.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
We got to get.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
You know, maybe we need to call it courageous sheriffs.
Maybe we need to call it sheriffs that simply know
how to do theirs, because we've got to get sheriffs
that tell the BLM and the Forest Service to stay
out of our county, and then they need to enforce
that because these people will continue to destroy our states
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or our businesses, or they think they can do anything
they want. And we are the last bastion of hope
to keep the federal government in check. And that's what
we're supposed to do, folks. And this is a peaceful process.
And we learned this at the Bundy situation in Bunkerville,
which I know you're very familiar with, folks. The issue
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for the Bundyes was not that they refused to pay
their grazing fees, for God's sakes, The issue for the
Bundyes was the federal government put fifty two ranchers out
of business. This in the county of Clark County. There
used to be fifty three ranchers in Clark County. Now
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there's one, the one who stood up and said, we
will not comply. We will keep our family, we will
keep our ranch, we will keep our cattle. And then
what's the propaganda scheme. Oh the Bundies are right wing extremists. Ah,
they're insurrection is. Oh, they're gonna shoot everybody. Oh, they
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pointed guns at the federal government. The federal government came
in and got on a helicopter and machine gun cattle
so that the Bundies couldn't have it. It was kind
of like, well, if you can't have them, then well
if we can't have them, then you can't have them either,
So we're going to just start killing them. And they did,
and none of the media cares anything about that. They
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just care about showing that the Bundies are racist and
crazy and fanatics and extremists. And yet the Bundyes won
and they are still ranching to this day and it
takes somebody standing up to them. But their sheriff should
have stopped this way before then, and should have guaranteed
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the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of the Bundanes.
The federal government notwithstanding, and so we're going to continue
to have all this tyranny and oppression until we get
local officials like county commissioners like you did. And I
know your sheriff back then was not a bad sheriff
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at all. He was out there with you with the protesters,
and they lied to him and said they weren't going
to arrest anybody, and then they arrested you. Wow.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Right, you know, talking about Bunkerville and what happened there,
we had already seen who Dan Love was in two
thousand and nine in Blanding, Utah with those raids, so
we knew, we knew.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Who Dan Love was.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
And I say, you know, rather than being so hard
on Dan Love, remember that after four people committed suicide
after the raids in Blanding in two thousand and nine,
that he was given Agent of the Year. So that
tells you what the BLM wants.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
From their agents.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
So what he did in Bunkerville was what he got
rewarded for in Blanding, And you know several years later
and it's.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
It's just a travesty position.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
He was the head law enforcement officer for the Bureau
of Land Management in two thousand and nine. It was
their first operation. Blanning was their first operation where they
were allowed to wear the brown military style gear, put
their sunglasses on and their hats on backwards and carry
ars uh. And they were they were giddy when they
came to Blanning. You know, doctor Red had one hundred
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and forty federal agents signed the register in his living
room the morning that they raided his home. One hundred
and forty uh took his life the next morning as
well as the informant took his life. Two other people
took their life. Other people were put in prison and
died shortly after from you know, addictions and things that
were created by the duress of this is these are
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not like little skirmishes. These are like life altering things
that happened to these people. And that's the that's the travesty.
Bad policy of colluding with environmentalists is the next thing.
You know, you've you've made a policy that takes away
people like people's livelihoods. And if you don't go quietly
into the night, you know, in response to that federal action,
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things do not go well. And people recognize that. So
we become a nation of compliant people. You know, the
Constitution doesn't give us a single right. It says the
government can't take our inherent rights those.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Are our rights. So I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
What we need is courageous sheriffs. The Constitution is the
document that that that created, It's the contract that we created.
But underneath that is the feeling that people can do
what people were designed to do, which is make decisions,
live their lives, take risks, raise families, and we protect that.
Governments governments that don't protect that, are you know, corrupt governments.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
You will I'm preaching that.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, I've said that the greatest threat to America is
our own corrupt federal government. Well question, and and it
raises its ugly daily now to prove us even more
correct day after day. It's an absolute it's an absolute shame.
It's it's a it's a bunch of deplorables in Washington,
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d C. That are really the deplorables, Hillary, and you
are among those. But okay, so right now, where does
your case stand. What's going on with your case? You
have been cheated. The voters who voted for you have
been cheated. You won the convention sixty seven point five
percent to Cox's thirty two point five, which was a
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historic result because an incumbent, as you have told me before,
an incumbent governor of Utah has never gotten below forty percent.
He got the worst ever in Utah history. And then
he forced the primary when you were already guaranteed not
to have to go on the primary. You were slammed
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dunk to be the representative Republican Party on November fifth,
and here you are scrambling to run a right in candidacy.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Right right, So we've got a loss.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I'm out.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
We got to go to a hard break, and right
after the break, I'm gonna have Phil answer that question, folks,
Where does it stand now? And why is he running
as a right in candidate? Folks? This is the Power Hour,
Sheriff Matt Subbing today.
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Speaker 2 (26:46):
I want to just go over something with you. The
Supreme Court case, the Supreme Court victory. Yes, the Supreme
Court victory, the only time in US history where couple
of sheriffs sued the federal government took it all the
way to the Supreme Court and won. I have the
highlighted version right here, folks. You can have this did
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it at CSPOA dot org. Constitutional Sheriffs Peace Officers Associations
CISPOA CSPOA dot org. Folks, you can get three of
these for five bucks. You can get as many as
you want, get a bunch of them. But look what
the subjects that Justice Scalia talks about in here. He
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talks about federal grants, how they're unconstitutional. He talks about
state sovereignty. He talks about the Commerce Clause. He sets
us straight on the Commerce Clause that does not allow
the federal government to do anything it wants. He talks
about the Supremacy Clause. He clears that up. It does
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not give supremacy to the federal government. It does if
they follow the Constitution. They don't. It doesn't Well, folks,
you've got to see this the most powerful tenth Amendment
and one of the most powerful decisions in the history
of America. What a great tool this is for liberty
and a great educational tool and great credibility for what
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Phil and I are talking about today. The supremacy clause.
You got to see that. He talks about how the
EPA was ruled to be unconstitutional in the early nineteen seventies.
What happened? He said, The States are not puppets of
a ventriloquist Congress.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
How do you like that?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
For some heavy duty stuff? And the Constitution protects us,
quote from the crisis of the day, folks, the crisis
of the day. And then the order of the Court,
which I already talked about a little bit today. This
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is powerful stuff. Such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our
constantitutional system of dual sovereignty. And then it shows the
dissenting opinion, which will absolutely make you laugh. But folks,
all this is available, and the book The County Sheriff,
America's Last Hope. Folks, all of this is available at
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CSPOA dot org. CSPOA dot org because just like you
heard right before we came back from the break, there
is a solution and the American people have got to
be a part of it. And c SPOA has a
peaceful and effective solution for Liberty Boy, which would love
to see sheriffs get involved in the corruption happening in
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the state of Utah right now. So, Phil, right before break,
we were talking about where does your case stand now?
Why isn't the Utah Supreme Court stopping this and kicking
cocks off the ballot? And the bottom line is, is
Governor Cox qualified right now from the laws and rules
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of the state and Republican Party itself? Is he qualified
to be on the ballot right now? And where does
your case stand?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Well thanks, And you know we're not anti government. We're
anti corrupt government. We're anti corrupt judges and corrupt Supreme courts.
We're all in favor when the courts are doing what
they're supposed to do, and so things like you just
referenced in the Supreme Court are huge. The Utah Supreme
Court dismissed our argument without hearing it and added a
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few straw man things. Matthew Durant that. The chief judge
there just basically said, we're you know, go away. We're
not going to hear your We're not going to hear
your case. As you said, I won the convention sixty
seven percent. Anything over sixty percent, you go straight to
the general. The governor knew that. He talked about it
in a speech just a few months earlier. You know,
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I'm bragged about you know, hey, we we've never failed
to qualify through a convention, and we'll always get the
qualifying and then we always clean up in the primary
because the delegates are right wing extremists and everybody knows that. Well,
he lost it convention. He had gathered signatures already, which
is the end run provided by the legislature, unconstitutionally provided
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by the legislature against the will of the GOP and
their right of association. So I should be on the
general election ballot right off the bat, I said, I
want to see the signatures. If you're saying you qualified
by because you got twenty eight thousand signatures, we'd like
to review those and just see what we think. There
was a case in Washington County a state senator who
used the same gathering company and the same people to
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gather the signature, they do it at the same time,
and a bunch of theirs were disqualified by that clerk
in Washington County versus the statewide person who had been
contracted in Davis County. So we wanted to just compare that.
Could we just look at these two. It's a logical
thing to ask. We were denied why Shington Cannon were
denied Spencer Cox signature. And after all of the opposition
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that we got, and then and the nasty things that
were said by the Lieutenant governor and the governor, you know,
in response to our really common sense request, I concluded
he didn't have his signatures. And I started saying that
he didn't he doesn't have his signatures. I'd be glad
to be proved wrong. I can easily be proved wrong.
In the meantime, I conclude he doesn't have his signatures.
It created all kinds of a stir. I challenged the
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signatures of John Curtis, Derek Brown, the Attorney General, and
Spencer Cox, not because I wanted Derek Brown's and Spencer
and uh and John Curtis's signatures, but because they were
all kind of in the same boat Well, Derek Brown
and John Curtis stepped forward and said, you know, not
so fast. We want an audit, We want our signatures verified.
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Drug Spencer Cox into that. So the legislative auditors were
asked to do an audit of the signatures. They came back,
they said, John Curtis has his signatures, Derek Brown has
his signatures. It appears that Spencer Cox does not have
his signatures. And instead of saying and should be disqualified,
they said, but he followed all the other requirements. And
the and the legislators are saying, well, he had more time,
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he could have gotten his signatures. So so he will just.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Could have would.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
It doesn't make it happen.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
And and and then also with that, I've said, and
I don't believe he won the primary election from my calculations.
And again I don't just throw out, you know, baseless allegations.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But that brings up another huge question. How was it
that he was able to nullify your victory take you
off of the November fifth ballot, like as if he
had won you won that. How does his signatures nullify
your victory at the state convention?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Exactly if if this if the legislature wants to say
you can take an alternate path to get on the
general election that doesn't nullify my clear victory to be
on the general election. I guess what they could argue
is that they'll have two Republicans on the ballot of
the general election. We wouldn't be the only state to
do that. I think it'd be a mistake for the
GOP to allow it. But that's but to say, you know,
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he wins and I lose, even though he didn't win
an election, he didn't get his signatures, and still wins
and I lose. And then this is the that's the
report that came out that that signature verification audit that
was done by the legislative Legislative auditors, and it was
not what anyone was expecting. I know the syndicate expected,
Oh this is going to teach Phil Lemon a lesson.
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What they learned is that I'm not making this stuff up.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
And I would you would find.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
The same thing if they if they would let us
have access to the cast vote records. I think you
would see the.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Book you just showed is their report of this year
of this election.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Yeah, yeah, this came out on the fifteenth of October.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And in there they say, right in the right in
the report that that Spencer Cox lost five hundred and
seventy two signatures. If you can see that, they're lost
five hundred and seventy two signatures from their valid verification. Well,
he only had twenty eight thousand and six to start with.
You got to have twenty eight thousand, so he's lost.
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He doesn't have his signatures. And of course they're saying, well,
that's water under the bridge.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
He was already put on the ballot.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Well, who put him on the ballot?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
He did. It's like he's the quarterback and the referee
of the.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Other team, and it's like, you can't beat both. You
can't do all this. And the lieutenant governor claimed that
she was hiring an independent council to handle all of
the aspects of the gubernatorial race so that she didn't
have a conflict of interest. That person has not been
heard of or seen, hasn't commented Greg Bell, former Lieutenant
governor himself. No communication there. It's so corrupt, it's so
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and it is the syndicate doing what the syndicate does,
which is making sure that if anybody commits a crime.
They don't have to pay for it. If anybody wants
to do something wrong, they can go ahead and do it.
And who gets punished by the syndicate. It's the honest people.
It's the people who are willing to stand up and speak.
Legislators are scared to death to weigh in on it.
I've got a letter right now, and most of the
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legislators look at and said, well, I agree with that,
But I got to worry about my election. I got
to worry about my political future. With this governor in
an office, he's going to be vindictive of anybody that
signs on to this letter. All of these things are
just symptoms of a government that has taken a course
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contrary to the will of the people.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
They're symptoms of what we said at the beginning of
the show today, and that is the corruption of the
state of Utah. And not only that, the Salt Lake
Tribune and the Deserret News have covered this up. And
I told a reporter that called me when I was
in Utah a couple of weeks ago at my grandson's
state golf tournament. She calls me and starts asking me
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about the amendment to the Utah Constitution that says sheriffs
will always be elected, and she wanted my opinion about that.
I said, why are you guys covering up the corrupt
governor's race. Why aren't you talking about that? She goes, oh, well,
a different reporter handles that you'll have to call so
and So. I said, give me his number. I will,
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and she says, no, I can't give his number out.
So and So have you call me, then you know?
But they're covering this up. I told her, I said,
your paper is protecting an illegal candidacy by the incumbent governor.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
So we we had we believe it was the Cox
campaign put on two linemans on the as right in
so that now you're yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I added two people by the name of Lyman who
they found throughout the state of Utah and had them
run as another write in candidate. Two more was the
last thing in the lineman. Now what has happened to that?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
So we sued.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
We sued the other two linemans. I don't want to
sue them, but I want the information. So KSL comes
out with the story and I don't know if you'll
be able to see that, but it says two candidates
for governor have dropped out? And what sure do they
put myself and lame Bangater. Yeah, those are the people
that dropped out, But they don't say who dropped out.
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If you look in the fine print, you can see
Richard and Carol Lyman, but the but the but this
went out all over you know, and I've got people
that are saying, you know, they're very angry.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
We've supported Phil Lymon. Why did he drop out of
the race?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I've got over fifty texts and emails just in the
last two days that we've we've we've accumulated people saying,
you know, why, why did why did the Limans drop out?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Why did Phil Lymon drop out?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
As the press made it look like it was you,
Because the press made it looked like it was we,
and so did the and the Lieutenant governor sent out
an email to everybody saying that two candidates with the
last name of Lyman has dropped out of the governor's race,
and and it doesn't say Phil Lyman and Natalie class
And remain candidates. She doesn't say therefore, a vote for
Lyman will now go to Phil Lymeon. She doesn't clarify
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any of that. She just casts this big confusion over
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And it's a minute.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
What they did is they took a corrupt procedure that
they caused in having the two Linemans join. Then you
objected and the two linemens quit, and they got even
more corrupt, trying to make it look like it.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Was you exactly exactly, this is who they are, and
it just and it just goes it just goes on
and on and on. Because we're dealing with with people
who have a guilty conscience. They're going to do anything
it takes to stay in power. And I mean, this
governor is is uh is He's just he has no
moral backing. I say, it's not that he's dishonest in
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some things. He's dishonest in everything. There's nothing he says
that is intended to convey the truth and the authenticity
of a governor who cares about Utah. It's all designed
to protect his people, to protect the syndicate. And I
don't know where it all comes from. I don't know
if that it all stems from the governor or, if
it's much higher than him, as as as the chair
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of the National Governors Association. We get all these weird
bills that are coming down, all top down. Nothing comes
from the bottom up in Utah anymore. It's all top downs,
you know, centralizing our water, pushing global climate change, pushing
fifteen minute cities, you know, taking taking over our energy sector,
destroying coal, destroying.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
All these things.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
And yet for three months up to the election, he'll
run as the governor who's trying to open access, get
back our federal lands, shut down DEI, stand up for
women's rights, all these things that he that he can't,
that he actively promoted against for the last eight years
as lieutenant governor and then as governor. The only the
only Republican governor who sat who signed Obama's or Joe
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Biden's Global Climate Core Initiative, the only the only governor
that uses his pronouns. The I mean, it just goes
on and on and on. People are so discussed, but
that's who we're dealing with. And the nice thing sorry
I'm rambling here, but nice thing about is people's eyes
are getting open just a little bit, and as soon
as they start to realize what's going on, they they
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open up pretty wide. And uh, and I believe We've
got well over fifty percent of Utah who is tired
of this, which means the only way that Governor Cox
can win an election is to cheat, is to lie,
is to get the GOP intimidated, to get the legislature intimidated,
and that's what they're doing. We've got a case going
to the to the US Supreme Court now, the one
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that was thrown out from the Utah Supreme Court and
really asked one question, and that's does the GOP in
Utah have the right of association to pick their candidate?
If the answer to that is yes, then I think
it gets remanded back down to a lower court to
figure out how to remedy this. And our attorneys say,
there's no, this is not black and white. I mean,
this is very black and white.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
And the.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Result will be uh the ordering a new election, whether
it happens now or a year from now, they.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Will order a new election in Utah. And anyway, well.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
That to stay on the ballot, though, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
No, he'd go off the ballot. He wouldn't. He wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
It would go back to who won the.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Convention qualified to be on the ballot.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
He's not qualified to be on the ballot shouldn't be
on this ballot. In the meantime, we're running a writing
campaign that like no one has ever seen before. And
I don't take credit for it. It's the grassroots people
in Utah are making their own signs, they're making their
own flyers, they're going door to door and uh, and
our writing campaign is extremely extremely powerful.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
The biggest concern we hear is like, well, if we
do a write in for Lineman, then we're afraid that
Brian King, the Democrat, will get elected. And I say, well,
you know, first of all, a person who cheats to
get on the ballot should not get elected, no matter
what party is. It's the GOP's fault that we essentially
don't have a GOP candidate on the on the ballot.
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And and thirdly, Spencer cox Is is further left leaning
than Brian King, and so so this idea that that
will be so devastating to have, you know, an honest
liberal Democrat on there versus a dishonest, lying person within
our by their name is also kind of astonishing to me.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Oh man. And people thought we were crazy when we
came up with the term rhino U and actually rhydo
came up. It seemed like it came up big during
the Tea Party movement.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, it's not fair.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
It's not fair to the rhinoceros that that term is.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Used because animals giving them a bad name.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
So, uh so it literally could happen then that, uh
the election happens. Let's say that you're right in candidacy
barely fails, Cox could be the governor, and then after
your successful lawsuit to the Supreme Court, he could actually
be removed.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yes, it should be and should be.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
You know, courts don't like to mess around with elections
and the will of the people. But if you can
show that the will of the people was completely disregarded,
and that's why for me, the primary election is really
a key point too, because he can say, well, yeah,
I may have I may have fallen short of signatures,
but I did we did have a primary election that
I want just barely. By the way it was, it
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was he was fifty four. He had fifty four percent,
so four points away from uh from losing that that
primary election, which is also unheard of with a with
an incumbent governor. And I believe that there were forty
thousand votes that were loaded into that election that are
that are not real votes. Again, I could be disproven
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so easily. I'd love to be disproven. I think just
as they just as they did with the signatures. I
think we'll get an audit of the primary election on
the casvote records. Some statisticians have looked at it already,
what what little information they can get, and they say
it's clearly, clearly been manipulated.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
But they refused to show the signatures for quite some time.
And then somebody in the state actually did an audit.
But did they go through go through every single signature?
Speaker 3 (44:54):
They did a sample.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
They wouldn't have had time to do that that quickly,
did they.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
They they do their sampling.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
There's toatistical sampling to get a to get a ninety
five percent accuracy, you need to sample at least three
hundred and eighty signatures. Roughly they did a thousand just
for good measure. Comes up with roughly the same same result.
And it's exactly the same result that the that the
state auditor came up with about a month ago, because
he took it on himself to do a statistical review,
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and then he came with almost the exact same uh
numbers and both and both you know, the internal auditors,
the legislative orders. You can kind of understand them saying
we're not we're not making a statement here because their
their job is you know, prospective to help legislators make
good laws. They're not there to you know, destroy people
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or candidacies or whatever. So the fact that they put
this out before the election, the fact that they gave
some of this information uh is huge to me as
a as a CPA myself and as an auditor. I
read this and say, wow, this is a scathing report.
Other people say, oh, it looks like a you know,
if you if you squint real hard and look at
it this way, that Spencer Cox is okay, and you've
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got so many people doing that, and it's just just
laughable to me.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Oh my goodness. Well, of course, if this was turned
the other way around and you didn't have enough signatures
you were in throwing off so quick your head would
spin right.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
And the response would be, you know, you have remedies
with the court. So that's why I say to Spencer Cox,
you could sue the Davis County clerk for giving you
a bad you know, bad certification. You could sue the
Lieutenant Governor's office, you could sue the GOP for their misleading, whatever,
take it up with the courts, and come back in
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four years in better luck next time. I mean, that's
what I've gotten from exactly day one. You know, it's
like it's like predetermined you will not be the governor.
You will never be the governor. It doesn't matter what
you do.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
And I've never wanted to be the governor.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
What I wanted to do was shine a light and
expose this corruption that I see happening. It just so
turns out that that's a really good platform if you
want people to support you on the governor's race, as
well as that you're willing to take on the corrupt,
you're willing to tell the truth. It's a rare thing today,
I'm finding it's a really rare thing.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well, God bless you, Phil Lyman. Goodness, my heart bleeds
for this. I lived in Utah for fifteen years. I
too was taken aback by the corruption of that state.
There's a corrupt judge in provo, a federal judge there
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that ruled against me in a murder case that I
handled back in nineteen eighty five, and his reasoning to
support the murderer was astonishing, and to support the friends
of the murderer who actually aided and abetted him after
the fact in getting rid of evidence and protecting him.
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He sided with all of that, and the two of us.
He said, I lied half of the time, and my
captain lied of the time in his testimony. He is
a good man, and I don't lie in court, and
I don't lie at all. And then this corrupt judge
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so arrogantly, was so clairvoyant that he knew that the
suspects witnesses were telling the truth, and the two peace officers,
very dedicated, highly decorated, were lying, and he took the
case from there. There was never any dispute that the
suspect committed the murder. He and his lawyers didn't dispute
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that they agreed that he did, but that we supposedly
bribed the witnesses. I testified in court. The witnesses came
to us. We didn't need to bribe them for anything.
They came to us with the story of telling the
truth because they were afraid of this guy. It's really
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taken me back. It was one of the reasons why
I became a constitutional sheriff later on in my career,
because I wanted to change all that. I got sick,
just like you did. You got sick and tired of
the corruption, and I so admire you for your battle.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Well, I admire you, sheriff, and you are changing the
landscape in a really significant way, and I can't thank
you enough for that. It's greatly needed.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Well, you know, I don't know where this amendment stands
in the state of Utah. I hope it passes and
does come part of the state constitution that sheriffs will
always be elected, because that protects doesn't protect the sheriff.
It protects the power of the people and the right
of the people to choose their sheriffs, and that should
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and always will be protected if it's in the constitution.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
It's interesting because so many people they see an amendment
like that and it's like, we already elect our sheriff.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (50:02):
What are they trying to pull?
Speaker 2 (50:03):
The legislature. The legislature could change that anytime they want,
just like they did in King County, Washington. Yeah, they
appoint the sheriff now, and the legislature could could vote
to do that. Yeah, if it's in the constitution, they can't.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yeah. Yeah, So I hope it passes too. I voted
for it.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Encourage anybody to vote for that that amendment. But it
is real telling that people have such low trust of
anything that comes from the legislature right now, anything that
comes out, it's like they're looking at like, what's where's
the hook, Something's something can't be as clear as clear
as what that amendment states. In fact, a lot of
people who are who are you kind of the watchdogs,
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we're out saying, you know, don't vote for this, there's
something We've got to research this. They've most of those
have come background and said, yeah, we think it's we
think it's it's good, But the legislature is not taking
the face value.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
What could it hurt that they just simply say that,
you know, because the legislature created the office of sheriff
in the state of Utah, and so they have the
prerogative to change that however they want.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
They could.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
They could vote sheriffs out. You can get rid of
the officer sheriff and there would be nothing there except
the police state or state police and then the local
police departments. But there would be no elected law enforcement
officer anywhere in the state because they're under control. We
want to control the legislature, not vice versa. And so anyway,
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Phil Lineman, what a story you have and this should
be huge nationwide.
Speaker 5 (51:36):
It keeps going, yeah, my goodness, well, thank you, thanks again,
and we're getting the we're getting the word out. People
are I told somebody other day. I get chills when
I think about where we're at in history right now
and being part of it and the chance to even
weigh in and so it's an exciting time.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Bill.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
I salute you. God bless you and your family. You
have God protect you.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Thanks Siff, see us soon see you.
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