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Myers here, good friend, Brady the war halfster. Brady, thank
you for being on today.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Thanks for having me, Elan.
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We do, okay, well, okay eight eight eight four two
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it this way eight eight eight four two nine four
seven one. Do you think that was too fast?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
It was?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You've got one more time.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Eight eight eight four two nine by four seven one. Ready. Now,
one of our main topics today is the electoral College.
But before we get into that, I want to set
some contexts. And to me, context is the word, the term,
the thought, the belief democracy, and for me, that's a
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four letter word. But let's see what the founders thought
about it. So I'm going to read some quotes, Brady,
and are going to chat about it, and then we're
going to get into the electoral college. You ready, Brady?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I am.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
This one is from John Adams to John Taylor in
a letter April fifteenth, eighteen fourteen. Remember, democracy never lasts long.
It's soon waste, exhaust, and merge itself. There was never
a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And he thoughts, well, we should probably preface this by
saying the United States is not a democracy. It is
a federal republic. Yeah, and mister Adams happened to be
there at the founding of the country and he was
part of the debates over what type of government we
should form, so he's probably a pretty reliable source.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Now. The next one comes from Alexander Hamilton, and given
what he did after the war, I'm not a big
fan of his, but it's interesting to read this from him.
It has been observed that a pure democracy, if it
were practical, would be the most perfect government. Experience has
proven that no position is more false than this. The
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ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed
one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny,
their figure deformity.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You want me to comment on why democracy ends up
eating itself.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh, absolutely, Well, it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Really comes down to the bigger a population of a
nation gets. If you're going to have a national popular vote,
you really just need one charismatic person to get fifty
percent plus one voters to completely stomp on the rights
of the minority the forty nine point nine percent. You
know it, Literally, a republic is the only form of
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government to protect the rights of the minority, and that's
why they chose a republic.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Thank you for that. Speaking of eating, this is from
Ambrose Spears. Democracy is four wolves and lamb voting on
what to have for lunch.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I should have pulled that meme up for you.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Got a few from Benjamin Franklin. You know how people,
there's some people out there. Oh, we're all all the same,
We're all equal, right, you've heard that? Yeah, this is
from Benjamin Franklin. If everyone is thinking alike, then no
one is thinking. This one I really like from Edward Abbey.
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The duty of a patriot is to protect his country
from its government. Thomas Jefferson. I prefer dangerous freedom over
peaceful slavery. Another Benjamin. I got two from Benjamin Franklin.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard
to remain stupid.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
This one is pretty well known. They who give up
essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So what does all this have to do with the
electoral college? Allen uh?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'm going to give one more and then we'll get
to it another John Adams. Remember democracy never lasts long.
It's soon waste exhaustin murders itself. There was never a
democracy yet that did not commit suicide. Well, the reason
I bring up this and for those who have got
their pocket constitutions out here, it is Brady, you got yours.
(06:28):
You want to get to what we refer to now
as the electoral electoral college. It wasn't called that back then.
Go to the Constitution, Article two, Section one, Clauses two
and three. There's this push that and this is why
I want to talk about electoral college today. There's this
push that, oh, we you know, no, no, no, this
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is wrong. It's that we you know, we need we
need to protect and preserve our democracy. We keep hearing
is from people running from office, and every time I
hear it, I'm thinking, what democracy are they talking about?
As Brady said, this country was not set up to
be a democracy. You won't find that word one time
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in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Articles of confederation. You
won't find it. As Brady said, what were we meant
to be?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Hey, federal republic?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
There you go. I want to read just to give
you an idea, and then we're going to get into
what people have been saying pro and con regarding the
electoral college. And then why I think it's necessary. And
what Brady thinks. This is Article two, Section one, Clause two.
It's not too long. Each state shall appoint in such
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manner as the Legislature thereof may direct. I'm going to
interrupt myself, Brady. Who has the power here?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
They're saying that the states have the power.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yes, thereof may direct a number of electors equal to
the whole number of senators and representatives to which the
state may be entitled in the Congress. So that's telling
you how many electoral votes they get. This is a
this is a real key kicker. But no senator or representative,
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or person holding an office of trust or profit under
the United States shall be appointed an elector. So they
don't want anybody in politics that are you know, that's
sitting in the House, sitting in the Senate, or some
other part of the government being an elector.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
What they're saying is they want the people to select
the government. They don't want the government to be selecting itself.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't know when maybe you do. When it became
known as the electoral college, they were just electors. But
the idea is that when you vote, you're not actually
it's not a direct vote for president and vice president.
It is a vote to tell your state electors what
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you want. Would you agree?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I would?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay. Now, in some states, members and we will will
continue to call it the electoral college for now on
the program. In some states, members of electoral college hold
the responsibility of voting in the same way that the
majority of their state voted. Some don't any thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, if we look at the pure version of Article
want to section one paragraph too, they make it a
crystal clear that a state gets to choose their electors
any darn way they want. That's pure. That's very clear
that the Congress has no saying it. The federal government
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has no say in it. So yeah, if they if
a state decides they want their electors to be beholden
to the popular vote, the state can choose that. If
the state does not want the electors to be beholden
and let them vote their conscience, the state can allow that.
It is none of the other state's business how your
state sends its electors.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Wow, that seems like really states right oriented. Oh wait
a minute, that's the way the Constitution was written.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, there's another word for that. We call it federalism.
I keep emphasizing we're a federal republic and it is
different than a national republic branch. As a national republic,
they have national elections, they would not need an electoral college.
We do not have a national republic. We've got now
fifty sovereign states that all have their own rights to
choose their electors among other things. Any way they choose.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Thank you for that, and I'll I'll add something to it.
There's and you kind of made mention of it. There's
a difference between national the entire country and federal. And
my understanding is that the Constitution was written as you
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would say for a federal republic, federal meaning that the
federal government, this new thing the Constitution is bringing into existence,
only has specific powers and that would be found in
the Constitution Article one, Section eight. Anything basically that isn't
in there is none of the federal government's business. Now,
(11:27):
if you're a national government, everything is your business. Would
you agree, I would agree, Okay, thank you. So we
were set up that the states which created the federal
government would basically run their business interior of the country
unless two or more states were squabbling excuse me, then
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the federal government would get involved as a mediator. Other
than that, the federal government had no business in any
state's business period. Now here's where people some people start
to complain. That is the total number of electors the
state gets is based on the number of senators two
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and the number of members of the House, and that
of course is dependent on their population. Well, some people
feel that this is not okay because if you have
a state that has, you know, somewhat of a greater
population than a smaller state. Let's say the small state
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has five representatives and two senators, so that's seven. A
bigger state would have ten representatives and two centers, so
that's twelve. So even though the bigger state has a
lot more people, it's not a fair equal division. You know,
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it's seven versus twelve. And I read this and I
started thinking about it, and I just I realized, this
is really, really why, another reason why the seventeenth Amendment
is so bad. They knew when they set this up
that and this is you know, this is not something
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commonly discussed today. The House is for the people. That's
why the number of representatives is based on the population.
For the House. The Senate was meant to be the
voice of the states, and every state, a political entity,
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was going to get the same voice to senators. The
states creating the federal government still wanted their voice at
the federal level. Well, now, because of the seventeenth Amendment,
the Senate is elected the way the House is, which
is to me absolutely wrong. But people are complaining about
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the number of electors, ignoring the fact that, well, the
state was a political entity to have its own voys
in DC. Your thoughts, Brady, Well.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I'm glad you queued that up. Over the last month
or so, Doug and I have done a couple of
shows on my channel called The Refederalist Report. Just go
to Rumble and look for war Hamster and look for
the Refederalist Report. You'll see Alan on a couple of
shows as well. But we talked about repealing the seventeenth
Amendment and also overturning Reynolds Ley Simms on a state level,
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and we did a little background into it. When we
had the Articles of Confederation, which was the first governing
document of the United States before the Constitution, we had
a unicameral legislature, which meant that there was one senator
for each state. Well, Virginia had over seven hundred and
fifty thousand citizens at the time, and you had some
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other states that only had or less than one hundred thousand,
places like Delaware, and even Georgia was under one hundred thousand.
So why would Georgia, with say seventy thousand people have
the same amount of legis lative power as Virginia, which
had ten times that amount. This was an issue that
comes up at the Continental Congress in Philadelphia, and Jefferson
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came I'm sorry. Madison showed up with a Virginia plan
saying we should have you know, big states should have
more weight, and the New Jersey plan, the smaller state,
said no, we should actually have it apportioned by each
one per state as opposed to population. Well, they came
up with a compromise, and the compromise is called a
bi camera. Where it did is each state would have
its representative in the older and wiser Senate, and the
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people would have be a popular vote in the House.
The whole idea behind it was to protect the big
states from the small and the small states from the big.
Neither could bully the either.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Thank you for that. In a way, I think we
have to take our hat off to the Articles of
Confederation because they brought this problem to issue, and they
they fixed it in the Constitutional Convention by giving by
acknowledging two separate political groups, one being the people now
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the House, and the other the states, two separate groups.
Each state, regardless of population, gets the same vote. The
people get votes based on the number. I think it
was a very very good compromise and a good decision.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That worked pretty well for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And it really brings to hearts is you started off
in the show we're a federal republic. We're not a democracy.
You were never intended to be a democracy.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So I know you brought up I know you brought
up a subject because it is a silly season also
known as election season, and the usual pundit's running around.
They're going to say, oh, we want the popular vote.
They hope we should abandoned, you know, abolish of the.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Electoral college college.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Thank you. Can I buy a vow? Well, I think
it a step further. Not only should we keep the
electrical college, but I say we should expand it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And how would we expand it?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well, let's go back to the original Bill of Rights.
There were not ten amendments. There were twelve eleven or
those twelve have been ratified at one point ten of
them right away, and then one of them made it
in the nineteen seventies. That's now the twenty sixth or
twenty seventh amendment, right The one that never made it
on was was the original first Amendment, which basically said
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one House representative for every thirty thousand or fifty thousand people, period.
And the thought behind it was, well, you know, you
can be you know, local in your town, and but
are you really going to be able to get to
know thirty thousand people and can they actually you know,
you know, your character, whether you're going to make the
decisions or are they going to be forced to rely
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on giant advertising blitz? So it comes down who have
the most money. Well, we have a situation now back
in California. It's like seven hundred thousand citizens for one representative.
But that's ridiculous. There's no way you can know everybody
in California. You run for state Senate. There's forty million
people and the average person knows two thousand people in
their lives. So you're talking about three hundred, you know,
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hundreds of thousands of people that are voting for you
based on your advertisements and what other people write. So
I'd like to see people, if you want to do
true self governance, and this is not just for president,
I'd like to see it for every state wide race
or even smaller. Everybody knows enough people in their neighborhood
that you can vote. You know, you could probably select
one person to be your local elector, and that's a
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person who's got to stay on top of the events,
not someone who pays attention once every four years. I
don't want people paying attention once every four years to
have as much of a say as those who are
skin in the game and are active involved, actively involved
in the running of our government. I would like to
see an electoral system all the way across the board.
You've got democracy at the base levels popular vote here,
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it's still got democratic principles, but it makes a lot
more sense to have the best of each neighborhood become
an elector all the way across the board. So, and
I certainly think that the electoral College needs to stay intact.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That would be very interesting. I want to add something
the well, let's stay with this and then we'll come
back to that. This was a comment that I read,
And tell me what you think the originalist approach of
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these people affect their views as they believe as much
should be held intact and the original writing of the
Constitution as possible. That's a knock. The Constitution is a contract.
Contracts are for me are to be read, understood, and follow,
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not ignored, because if you don't follow the contract, then
all h double hockey sticks can break out. It's just
mind blowing that people would not want to understand and
follow this contract.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What do you think, Brady, Well, yeah, I understand why
they don't want to follow the contract because they think
they can use changes to their advantage. Yeah. The problem is,
and you never hear this from the people, that they
want to get rid of the Electrical College. They want
Congress to pass a bill. Well, Alan, do you think
Congress has the actual authority to change the Constitution or
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is there another process involved in doing that? And they
never bring up the idea of an amendment.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, I will say this, given what I know about
the Constitution, given what I have seen, Congress believes and
acts and the people allow it to actually violate the
Constitution and not follow it to your point. Yes, the
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founders knew they could not plan for everything, they could
not foresee everything. That's why the contract can be amended.
And with the first ten it got done very shortly
after the Constitution was ratified in seventeen eighty nine. The
amendment process is meant to be really heavy. It's not
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something willy nilly, and I'll tell you why the I
gotta write this down. Okay, This to me is the
problem with democracy, and I definitely want your feedback, and
that is this. If we're in a democracy, who makes
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the rules? The government? The government? And in a democracy,
do you have what you have in a federal republic rights.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Only as much as the government allows you to have.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Then that's another way of saying, no, you don't.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, if the government can take away your rights, they're
not really rights.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That's that's my point. And we're gonna we're gonna leave
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Pleasure all right we left off. We're going to just
a couple more things on that four letter word democracy,
and then we're going to move on to a surprise topic.
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Beautiful. I'm not as techy. You can find me on
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the Republic. See I wonder where it came up with
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that name. Anyway, last couple of things on this four
letter word, the you know people have attacked the electoral
college because it isn't pure democracy. It isn't just the
popular vote. And we've talked about I mean, they knew
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this back then. What was the concentration of population back
in the late seventeen hundreds, A few cities.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Well, like I said, that's the biggest state by population
had seven hundred and fifty thousand approximately, But that was Virginia. Yeah,
and that's not even a suburb of Los Angeles these days.
So yeah, things have changed a wee bit.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
And basically you would have a different life in the
cities versus the rurals areas. And if this was purely
popular as in fifty one rules of forty nine, then
you don't have rights that we talked about. You have
whatever the government gives you. And I think one of
the most telling stories that I've learned about democracy is
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what happened to Socrates? Do you know that story?
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Dog?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I mean, Brady now good and share it. Well, apparently
Socrates was doing some things that those in power didn't like,
and he got accused of corrupting the minds of the youth.
Now this is the Athens it's a democracy, and what
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happened and the democracy voted that Socrates was guilty Socrates
drink the hemlock, corrupting their minds because he wasn't saying
what they wanted, got him a death sentence. And some
people will say Democrats generally hold more progressive viewpoints, and
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they believe that some aspects of the Constitution need to
be adapted from modern times. I'm not sure what they
mean by adapted, but apparently they're not suggesting that it
actually get amended. They just want to adapt or broadly
interpret My thought of progressive is lemmings over a cliff
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any last thoughts.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well, we should we say in that Socrates was the
first victim of government censorship or just one of the
most famous ones from twenty five hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'll say, I'll say one of the more famous ones
I know of.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
God. Yeah, you know, it's funny that this whole idea
thing you have to understand is if the small states
didn't have these rights, they never would have ratified the
Constitution in the first place. They did not fight a
revolutionary war against the biggest government in history just to
become subservient to population centers and another big government. It
never would have been ratified you don't get to change
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the rules one hundred years later because it's not going
your way unless you can actually get the states to agree. Sadly,
that happened in nineteen thirteen with the seventeenth Amendment. We
need to work on that, but that's another story for
another day.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Apparently we have a caller, excellent, bring them on.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, yeah, I can hear me.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I can hear you. Your name and state please.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Eric from Missouri. And I didn't know if you knew
how to go about it or how to become a
state citizen and withdraw from being a US citizen, which
has privileges versus rights, kind of like the United States
of America versus the United States.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Right, you only want me to address this, go right ahead,
and then I'll chime in.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Now, first of all, thanks for calling. And we get
next to those questions quite a bit, and there's a
bunch of different variations of it. Doug, myself and my
friend Coach Mel did a video on that we can
find in my rumble channel where we go through that
in quite a bit of detail. We don't specifically address
the sovereign state citizen, but this if you take a
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look at my video go to war Hamster and that's
bear with me, and I'll tell you the exact name
of the video. It wasn't that long ago, and it.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Was on.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Just Had It. I was called debunking the US eighteen
seven win US Corporation theory. Now you didn't ask about
the eighteen seven US corporation. I recognized that, but we
touched on some of the other state sovereign topics to
wrap around that. So if you really want an in
depth answer, please go check out that channel. It was
about two weeks ago that we did that video and
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we tried to hit most of the topics and we'll
give you some other resources in that video to take
a look at and form your own decisions.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
And then I don't have a procedure to have to
go about it.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
No, you can follow some of the leads and they
will talk to you about the procedures. I think what
you'll probably find is what you're suggesting may not be
exactly how it's been presented. We certainly agree with the
principles of being you know, individual sovereignty is important, but
it's portrayed it's misleading in many ways the way it's
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portrayed in a lot of corners of the Internet. So
I guess with our video tells people it's to be
cautious on that one. Really do your homework before you leave.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Yeah, that's what I kind of it seems complicated. I
heard Scott Bennett and a guy named Wayne and someone
else talking about how they've done well. This guy named Wayne.
Of course he didn't say his last thing, but on
see it's a native born citizens dot com. We had
some white papers. But like I said, I didn't know
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if there's if you'd already done it, or if you've
had an outline on how to go about it, or
if it's something that just caused more trouble.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Well, like I said that that's a path that's littered
with sad stories of people who tried to do it.
You know something that sounded really good. They came from
a place of integrity, and the government disagreed with them
and it didn't work out too well.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Can I weigh in on this please? Eric, Thank you
for calling in. I'll take I'll put some context to it.
There is the Organic Act of eighteen seventy one, and
people have read it and they say, this is how
you know our country became a corporation. Doug and I
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have done two shows and in those radio in those shows,
we've gone through every section of that Organic Act, and
there's nothing in my estimation that would lead me to
believe that. Forget the fact that you can't pass a
law that would that would take control of the government,
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but there's nothing in it. It would be crazy reading
to get to that conclusion. And this is what I
would say about being a state citizen not a US citizen.
Oh shoot, I wish I still had it A oh
I do hold on, I'm going to read a quote.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Do you want no?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
No, no, I got it?
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Was it changed to a private corporation trust and it
wasn't a public corporation.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Eighteen seventy one. There were Garna Act of eighteen seventy
one was about creating a municipal corporation for DC, not
the country. But here here's the quote I wanted to read.
This is from Edward Abbey. I don't know who it is,
but the duty of a patriot is to protect his
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country from its government. That's what we're talking about. So
to me, if something's going wrong, that would push somebody
to want to be quote unquote a state citizen now
a US citizen, we got to do with seventeen seventy
six and start getting involved. And I don't mean violence,
(37:32):
but we need to get involved. Wake up, stand up,
get involved, stay involved, and get our government back to
what the founders would be proud of. I hope that
helps the.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Other founding principles. Most certainly, you were a citizen than you.
You were always a citizen of your state first, and
the state was part of this union. Yeah, you took
a lot of pride in being from Virginia or from Delaware.
That was your identity. Now became more and more of
a national government. Everyone thinks of themselves as a US citizen.
So conceptually, I'd love for us to get back to
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this idea of federalism and taking pride in the state
that you're from and acting locally. But the question that
Eric was asking was whether there's a legal maneuver to
basically extricate yourself from US citizenship. My answer to that
is I've seen an awful lot of people to attempt
some plowing those lines and it did not work out
well for them.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, the other thing I would think about is if
you actually did accomplish that way, and I don't know
what that would look like. But does that mean you
don't have a US passport?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
You should probably have a California passport.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
And does California issue a passport?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
They do not.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Okay, so traveling outside the country is going to be hard.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
How could you travel outside the state?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well, they don't. They usually don't check for I don't
think they checked for yeah we're here.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Oh, I was going to say. And also they say
you couldn't vote in federal elections. But like I said,
I originally weren't a state representatives supposed to elect the
Senate or nominate and elect the Senate the federal senators
for the state senates going to the federal court.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, well, technically there are no federal elections. If you're
voting in.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
The elections, does your there's nobody holding does your office
is the facto? Now?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
All right, so that's getting into some of the linguistic games. Uh,
some people play, Like I said, I cautioned going down
that path.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I think, all right, well, I didn't know if you
had a have you've already been down that route and
then have had a plan or if you Okay, that's
what I was basically trying to find out.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, and he's start getting it. I know, I know
the people that are preaching the djuur versus de facto.
I just don't I don't play those linguistic games. I
don't think there's a gone down the rabbit hole, and
I don't think there's any gold at the end of it.
But I also know some people I like and respect
who disagree with me. So this is not a you know,
I'm I'm not the authority on the subject. I just
know what I've looked at. I just there is no
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part of goal there.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Eric. Thank you for calling in. We appreciate your listening.
You take care of be safe, and well we're going
to do one. Thank you for that caller eight eight
eight four two nine five four seven one. Apparently the
number works. One last thing and then we're going to
move on to your topic, Brady. And in this article
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I was reading and these this was considered discussion questions. Okay,
and they're talking about, you know, abolishing the electoral college.
But here's the one I want to pose to you.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
You ready, I'm ready?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Okay. Does the electoral college further or hinder democracy?
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Hopefully it hinders it to be honest with you, I
hope it does hinder it.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
The fact that the fact fact that the question is
posed leads me to believe that the person who wrote
this question doesn't understand the concept of federal republic and
doesn't understand that the founders would just hate that we
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would even want to become a democracy. So enough on
electoral College, because apparently this thing is going to kick
into action real soon, because don't we have something going
on next Tuesday?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I believe that would be an election?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Okay, and for those who want to be very specific,
there's five hundred and thirty eight electoral votes total, and
the winning person must receive two hundred and seventy. Now
Brady's got something for me and you our listeners, which
I don't know what's coming.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, first of all, quick bit of trivia. We've got
four hundred and thirty five members of the House of
Representative and one hundred senators. That equals five hundred and
thirty five. Where did the other three electoral votes come from?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I know, I know?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
All right, Alan, go ahead, or should we let a
call er see if we want someone want to call
in with the answer?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Wow, we'll get moving DC.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
So the subject that I brought for you, DC is
one of them.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I thought DC got three?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Is it three?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:28):
So why do I think that you know? Why? Is
Guam votes? Then I remember that one?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Well, the topic I brought up has to do with
the election. There was a lawsuit file in Virginia the
Supring Court is ruled on today, and basically Governor Youngkon
of Virginia was trying to clean the voter roles for
people that could not prove that they were US citizens. Now,
Virginia's process was to give you like three chances to
remedy your proof of your citizen and after three of them,
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they remove you from the roles. So is not just
you know, picking names out of a hat and tossing
people off right? The of course, the Department of Justice
challenges this. Their challenge is part of the National Voting
Rights Act. The MVRA of nineteen ninety three says that
you cannot mess with the voter roles adjust them at
all ninety days prior to the election, which makes a
(43:19):
lot of sense. You don't you want to cut down
on the brenksmanship. You're also supposed to not get involved
in prosecutions within ninety days, all that kind of stuff.
But we've ignored those norms. Virginia's defense is that if
you are a non citizen, you should not be on
the voter roles in the first place. Therefore, the National
Voter Rights Act does not apply to you. Well, that
was filed on Friday. We got the I believe this Friday.
(43:41):
But Supreme Court came back with a decision this quickly, and.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
They've ata Wait, I got it, I get interrupt. Wait
a minute. Something got filed with the Supreme Court last
week and they've already ruled on it. Yep, this has
got to be once in an end. Ever, it was
pretty quick. The Supreme Court ruled sixty three in favor
(44:05):
of Virginia. And I'm sure you can't guess who the
three dissenters were. I can't, but you're gonna tell.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Me they would have been so to mar you know,
the three Democrats appointed judges. Now, but thet nice thing
is that it was six three and not five four.
You didn't have a Kavanaugh or Cony Barrett slipping into
same morality and changing it. It's a big deal, and
it's not going to impact every state around the country.
(44:31):
Voter role cleanup has been going on, you know, for
the last year and a half in every single state.
We've been trying to get we ever since Biden issued
Executive Order one four one nine back in twenty twenty one,
where he directed every single federal agency, every single one,
to engage in voter registration efforts. Alan, I ask you,
(44:52):
who do you think NASA is registering to vote? Or
how about the DHS? But they, according to this order,
they had to get involved in voter regis why Because
Biden gave that order he wants the federal government involved
in what you've already discussed our local elections.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Well wait a minute, is NASA getting involved because we've
got voters on the moon?
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Well NASA can't even get to the moon elon muskas
to do that.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
The question is why does every federal agency, No federal
agency should be involved in federal and voter registration.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I'm going to be really simple and slow. That's my
comfort zone. Where in the Constitution was the authority power, right,
beauty given the federal agencies to do what is being proposed?
That would be nowhere. It's not there, okay, right there?
(45:51):
And to be president of the United States. Don't you
have to take an oath?
Speaker 5 (45:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
And does that oath include a phrase that would say preserve, protect,
and defend. Yeah, Well, when the President of the United
States is taking a position that is absolutely unconstitutional, is
that person preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I have a huge problem with the federal government being
involved with states where they're not where they're not constitution allowed,
and voting is one of them. And we brought that
up just by reading Article to section one, clause two,
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where it talks about the electors right and that it
states business, not federal government business.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Not to be fair, alan, they have amended legally the
Constitution and addressed several issues when it comes to elections
over the last two hundred and forty years. We've had
a couple of amendments, but none of them change what
we're talking about today. None of the new amends ever
addressed the topic on the table.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah. That's my point, which is this is I mean,
yet the Supreme Court is weighing in. Why don't they
say this is none of our business, go away. Don't
you have to know the Constitution to be a Supreme
Court Justice of the Supreme.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Court unless you're a biologist. Oh okay, yes, I think
we have one of those now. But if it's a
very good Supreme Court ruling. Now there's another case that's
popping it up that may not be ruled on in time,
and that was out of Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
And do you know that case, Allen, No, I do
not please sease inform I have to do with.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
A similar issue with the cleaning of the voter registration.
I should pull that up, so I don't as quoted,
but this one I don't think is going to get
through the Supreme Court before the election.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Can I make a comment on the general topic. Yeah, okay,
this idea of cleaning up the voter rules, what are
they doing every week? I mean they wait till the
last minute. Why aren't they cleaned as they go? And
I mean, if somebody wants to be a voter and
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they bring stuff that is not good enough to lock
them in on the voter roll, then put them in
a separate category to be determined, and let that person
continue to push to get onto the voter role. Why
are they mixing those who are legitimately on with those
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that may not be. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah? The idea is to have a fair, free and
fair election where only eligible voters vote. You would be
doing that. Therefore, your idea has to be doing something different.
The Mississippi law, which is really fascinating. The Fifth Circuit judge,
a Fifth Circuit court, a three panel I guess it
was three judge of three panel judge ruled last week
that ballots received after election day are not eligible to
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be counted with This is good. The problem is it
gets sent back down to a lower court to rehear,
so it's not going to impact the twenty twenty four
The decision was really strong, and the judge wrote something
along the lines of We've got two hundred and forty
years of constant institutional history that makes it crystal clear
that there is something called election day and not election month.
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So this will be appealed. And they specifically targeted this
lawsuit for Mississippi because it's obviously it's a very deep
red state. They wanted to bring it in a friendly jurisdiction.
Someone else may bring a case in an unfriendly jurisdiction
like California. Therefore, you're going to have conflicting circuit court
rulings and is going to have to be litigated by
the Supreme Court. May not help us this year, but
I get this. I'm guessing that this has a chance
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to be decided prior to the midterms next time around.
So those are two really strong election integrity cases that
have just happened.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Well, I like the phrase and election integrity. Thank you
for that for me. When I first started voting, you know,
right after the wheel was invented, there was election day.
Now there were certain things done for people who are
out of country, such as service members. I got that,
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But you had election day. You showed up and you voted,
done and you showed idea to prove that you are
who you are, And now that's all gone away.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
You're an act. You're an account, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I am?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
And isn't there a certain date where everybody has to
file their taxes.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
By that or get an extension? But yes, and there.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
And everyone knows that date well in advance. Oh yeah,
And is there a penalty if you don't make that date?
Speaker 2 (51:07):
You won't be penalized penalty and interest?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Okay, So why is there no penalty for missing the
cutoff to mail in a ballot?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I'm still I'm wondering why if you're not out of
country or in service for the country, why you you know,
or if there's some medical reason why the mail in
the polls are open from sun you know, from sunrise
to sunset. I mean you have time to get to
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the poll.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Well, it needs to be a national holiday. And there
goes that excuse the I am very concerned about these
yuakava foreign votes and how they're going to show up
in mysterious places over the next couple of weeks. I
think that is probably one of the biggest vulnerabilities in
our elections integrity right now. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
I I do like the idea of okay, it's received
by this state or it's not counted.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, called it deadline.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, it's called a deadline.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
We have to meet those in many walks of life,
but apparently just not for elections in some states. So fortunately,
hopefully that is finally addressed and we can actually get
back to election day.
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Speaker 4 (02:04):
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Speaker 3 (02:04):
You've got one more time.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Eight eight eight four two nine by four seven one. Ready. Now,
one of our main topics today is the electoral College.
But before we get into that, I want to set
some contexts. And to me, context is the word, the term,
the thought, the belief democracy, and for me, that's a
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four letter word. But let's see what the founders thought
about it. So I'm going to read some quotes, Brady,
and are going to chat about it, and then we're
going to get into the electoral college. You ready, Brady?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I am.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
This one is from John Adams to John Taylor in
a letter April fifteenth, eighteen fourteen. Remember, democracy never lasts long.
It's soon waste, exhaust, and merge itself. There was never
a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And he thoughts, well, we should probably preface this by
saying the United States is not a democracy. It is
a federal republic. Yeah, and mister Adams happened to be
there at the founding of the country and he was
part of the debates over what type of government we
should form, so he's probably a pretty reliable source.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Now. The next one comes from Alexander Hamilton, and given
what he did after the war, I'm not a big
fan of his, but it's interesting to read this from him.
It has been observed that a pure democracy, if it
were practical, would be the most perfect government. Experience has
proven that no position is more false than this. The
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ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed
one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny,
their figure deformity.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You want me to comment on why democracy ends up
eating itself.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh, absolutely, Well, it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Really comes down to the bigger a population of a
nation gets. If you're going to have a national popular vote,
you really just need one charismatic person to get fifty
percent plus one voters to completely stomp on the rights
of the minority the forty nine point nine percent. You
know it, Literally, a republic is the only form of
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government to protect the rights of the minority, and that's
why they chose a republic.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Thank you for that. Speaking of eating, this is from
Ambrose Spears. Democracy is four wolves and lamb voting on
what to have for lunch.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I should have pulled that meme up for you.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Got a few from Benjamin Franklin. You know how people,
there's some people out there. Oh, we're all all the same,
We're all equal, right, you've heard that? Yeah, this is
from Benjamin Franklin. If everyone is thinking alike, then no
one is thinking. This one I really like from Edward Abbey.
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The duty of a patriot is to protect his country
from its government. Thomas Jefferson. I prefer dangerous freedom over
peaceful slavery. Another Benjamin. I got two from Benjamin Franklin.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard
to remain stupid.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
This one is pretty well known. They who give up
essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So what does all this have to do with the
electoral college? Allen uh?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'm going to give one more and then we'll get
to it another John Adams. Remember democracy never lasts long.
It's soon waste exhaustin murders itself. There was never a
democracy yet that did not commit suicide. Well, the reason
I bring up this and for those who have got
their pocket constitutions out here, it is Brady, you got yours.
(06:28):
You want to get to what we refer to now
as the electoral electoral college. It wasn't called that back then.
Go to the Constitution, Article two, Section one, Clauses two
and three. There's this push that and this is why
I want to talk about electoral college today. There's this
push that, oh, we you know, no, no, no, this
(06:52):
is wrong. It's that we you know, we need we
need to protect and preserve our democracy. We keep hearing
is from people running from office, and every time I
hear it, I'm thinking, what democracy are they talking about?
As Brady said, this country was not set up to
be a democracy. You won't find that word one time
(07:15):
in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Articles of confederation. You
won't find it. As Brady said, what were we meant
to be?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Hey, federal republic?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
There you go. I want to read just to give
you an idea, and then we're going to get into
what people have been saying pro and con regarding the
electoral college. And then why I think it's necessary. And
what Brady thinks. This is Article two, Section one, Clause two.
It's not too long. Each state shall appoint in such
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manner as the Legislature thereof may direct. I'm going to
interrupt myself, Brady. Who has the power here?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
They're saying that the states have the power.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yes, thereof may direct a number of electors equal to
the whole number of senators and representatives to which the
state may be entitled in the Congress. So that's telling
you how many electoral votes they get. This is a
this is a real key kicker. But no senator or representative,
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or person holding an office of trust or profit under
the United States shall be appointed an elector. So they
don't want anybody in politics that are you know, that's
sitting in the House, sitting in the Senate, or some
other part of the government being an elector.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
What they're saying is they want the people to select
the government. They don't want the government to be selecting itself.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't know when maybe you do. When it became
known as the electoral college, they were just electors. But
the idea is that when you vote, you're not actually
it's not a direct vote for president and vice president.
It is a vote to tell your state electors what
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you want. Would you agree?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I would?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay. Now, in some states, members and we will will
continue to call it the electoral college for now on
the program. In some states, members of electoral college hold
the responsibility of voting in the same way that the
majority of their state voted. Some don't any thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, if we look at the pure version of Article
want to section one paragraph too, they make it a
crystal clear that a state gets to choose their electors
any darn way they want. That's pure. That's very clear
that the Congress has no saying it. The federal government
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has no say in it. So yeah, if they if
a state decides they want their electors to be beholden
to the popular vote, the state can choose that. If
the state does not want the electors to be beholden
and let them vote their conscience, the state can allow that.
It is none of the other state's business how your
state sends its electors.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Wow, that seems like really states right oriented. Oh wait
a minute, that's the way the Constitution was written.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, there's another word for that. We call it federalism.
I keep emphasizing we're a federal republic and it is
different than a national republic branch. As a national republic,
they have national elections, they would not need an electoral college.
We do not have a national republic. We've got now
fifty sovereign states that all have their own rights to
choose their electors among other things. Any way they choose.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Thank you for that, and I'll I'll add something to it.
There's and you kind of made mention of it. There's
a difference between national the entire country and federal. And
my understanding is that the Constitution was written as you
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would say for a federal republic, federal meaning that the
federal government, this new thing the Constitution is bringing into existence,
only has specific powers and that would be found in
the Constitution Article one, Section eight. Anything basically that isn't
in there is none of the federal government's business. Now,
(11:27):
if you're a national government, everything is your business. Would
you agree, I would agree, Okay, thank you. So we
were set up that the states which created the federal
government would basically run their business interior of the country
unless two or more states were squabbling excuse me, then
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the federal government would get involved as a mediator. Other
than that, the federal government had no business in any
state's business period. Now here's where people some people start
to complain. That is the total number of electors the
state gets is based on the number of senators two
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and the number of members of the House, and that
of course is dependent on their population. Well, some people
feel that this is not okay because if you have
a state that has, you know, somewhat of a greater
population than a smaller state. Let's say the small state
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has five representatives and two senators, so that's seven. A
bigger state would have ten representatives and two centers, so
that's twelve. So even though the bigger state has a
lot more people, it's not a fair equal division. You know,
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it's seven versus twelve. And I read this and I
started thinking about it, and I just I realized, this
is really, really why, another reason why the seventeenth Amendment
is so bad. They knew when they set this up
that and this is you know, this is not something
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commonly discussed today. The House is for the people. That's
why the number of representatives is based on the population.
For the House. The Senate was meant to be the
voice of the states, and every state, a political entity,
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was going to get the same voice to senators. The
states creating the federal government still wanted their voice at
the federal level. Well, now, because of the seventeenth Amendment,
the Senate is elected the way the House is, which
is to me absolutely wrong. But people are complaining about
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the number of electors, ignoring the fact that, well, the
state was a political entity to have its own voys
in DC. Your thoughts, Brady, Well.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I'm glad you queued that up. Over the last month
or so, Doug and I have done a couple of
shows on my channel called The Refederalist Report. Just go
to Rumble and look for war Hamster and look for
the Refederalist Report. You'll see Alan on a couple of
shows as well. But we talked about repealing the seventeenth
Amendment and also overturning Reynolds Ley Simms on a state level,
(14:29):
and we did a little background into it. When we
had the Articles of Confederation, which was the first governing
document of the United States before the Constitution, we had
a unicameral legislature, which meant that there was one senator
for each state. Well, Virginia had over seven hundred and
fifty thousand citizens at the time, and you had some
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other states that only had or less than one hundred thousand,
places like Delaware, and even Georgia was under one hundred thousand.
So why would Georgia, with say seventy thousand people have
the same amount of legis lative power as Virginia, which
had ten times that amount. This was an issue that
comes up at the Continental Congress in Philadelphia, and Jefferson
(15:10):
came I'm sorry. Madison showed up with a Virginia plan
saying we should have you know, big states should have
more weight, and the New Jersey plan, the smaller state,
said no, we should actually have it apportioned by each
one per state as opposed to population. Well, they came
up with a compromise, and the compromise is called a
bi camera. Where it did is each state would have
its representative in the older and wiser Senate, and the
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people would have be a popular vote in the House.
The whole idea behind it was to protect the big
states from the small and the small states from the big.
Neither could bully the either.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Thank you for that. In a way, I think we
have to take our hat off to the Articles of
Confederation because they brought this problem to issue, and they
they fixed it in the Constitutional Convention by giving by
acknowledging two separate political groups, one being the people now
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the House, and the other the states, two separate groups.
Each state, regardless of population, gets the same vote. The
people get votes based on the number. I think it
was a very very good compromise and a good decision.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That worked pretty well for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And it really brings to hearts is you started off
in the show we're a federal republic. We're not a democracy.
You were never intended to be a democracy.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So I know you brought up I know you brought
up a subject because it is a silly season also
known as election season, and the usual pundit's running around.
They're going to say, oh, we want the popular vote.
They hope we should abandoned, you know, abolish of the.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Electoral college college.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Thank you. Can I buy a vow? Well, I think
it a step further. Not only should we keep the
electrical college, but I say we should expand it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And how would we expand it?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well, let's go back to the original Bill of Rights.
There were not ten amendments. There were twelve eleven or
those twelve have been ratified at one point ten of
them right away, and then one of them made it
in the nineteen seventies. That's now the twenty sixth or
twenty seventh amendment, right The one that never made it
on was was the original first Amendment, which basically said
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one House representative for every thirty thousand or fifty thousand people, period.
And the thought behind it was, well, you know, you
can be you know, local in your town, and but
are you really going to be able to get to
know thirty thousand people and can they actually you know,
you know, your character, whether you're going to make the
decisions or are they going to be forced to rely
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on giant advertising blitz? So it comes down who have
the most money. Well, we have a situation now back
in California. It's like seven hundred thousand citizens for one representative.
But that's ridiculous. There's no way you can know everybody
in California. You run for state Senate. There's forty million
people and the average person knows two thousand people in
their lives. So you're talking about three hundred, you know,
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hundreds of thousands of people that are voting for you
based on your advertisements and what other people write. So
I'd like to see people, if you want to do
true self governance, and this is not just for president,
I'd like to see it for every state wide race
or even smaller. Everybody knows enough people in their neighborhood
that you can vote. You know, you could probably select
one person to be your local elector, and that's a
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person who's got to stay on top of the events,
not someone who pays attention once every four years. I
don't want people paying attention once every four years to
have as much of a say as those who are
skin in the game and are active involved, actively involved
in the running of our government. I would like to
see an electoral system all the way across the board.
You've got democracy at the base levels popular vote here,
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it's still got democratic principles, but it makes a lot
more sense to have the best of each neighborhood become
an elector all the way across the board. So, and
I certainly think that the electoral College needs to stay intact.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That would be very interesting. I want to add something
the well, let's stay with this and then we'll come
back to that. This was a comment that I read,
And tell me what you think the originalist approach of
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these people affect their views as they believe as much
should be held intact and the original writing of the
Constitution as possible. That's a knock. The Constitution is a contract.
Contracts are for me are to be read, understood, and follow,
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not ignored, because if you don't follow the contract, then
all h double hockey sticks can break out. It's just
mind blowing that people would not want to understand and
follow this contract.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What do you think, Brady, Well, yeah, I understand why
they don't want to follow the contract because they think
they can use changes to their advantage. Yeah. The problem is,
and you never hear this from the people, that they
want to get rid of the Electrical College. They want
Congress to pass a bill. Well, Alan, do you think
Congress has the actual authority to change the Constitution or
(20:40):
is there another process involved in doing that? And they
never bring up the idea of an amendment.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, I will say this, given what I know about
the Constitution, given what I have seen, Congress believes and
acts and the people allow it to actually violate the
Constitution and not follow it to your point. Yes, the
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founders knew they could not plan for everything, they could
not foresee everything. That's why the contract can be amended.
And with the first ten it got done very shortly
after the Constitution was ratified in seventeen eighty nine. The
amendment process is meant to be really heavy. It's not
(21:33):
something willy nilly, and I'll tell you why the I
gotta write this down. Okay, This to me is the
problem with democracy, and I definitely want your feedback, and
that is this. If we're in a democracy, who makes
(21:56):
the rules? The government? The government? And in a democracy,
do you have what you have in a federal republic rights.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Only as much as the government allows you to have.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Then that's another way of saying, no, you don't.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, if the government can take away your rights, they're
not really rights.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That's that's my point. And we're gonna we're gonna leave
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here with war Hamster. Brady Brady, welcome back, Glad you're here.
Pleasure all right we left off. We're going to just
a couple more things on that four letter word democracy,
and then we're going to move on to a surprise topic.
But before we do, I like to when I remember
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Speaker 3 (28:12):
I am Brady, also known in some corners of the
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Speaker 2 (28:38):
Beautiful. I'm not as techy. You can find me on
the web fedad f E d ed dot us. That's
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If you go to the top of the page and
click on the tab the flame, you'll see all the
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with Douglas V. Gibbs, Mister Constitution kame E T fourteen
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And Sundays Patriots Soapbox live stream on the computer five
to seven pm West Coast time, and my show for
the Republic. See I wonder where it came up with
(29:23):
that name. Anyway, last couple of things on this four
letter word, the you know people have attacked the electoral
college because it isn't pure democracy. It isn't just the
popular vote. And we've talked about I mean, they knew
(29:47):
this back then. What was the concentration of population back
in the late seventeen hundreds, A few cities.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Well, like I said, that's the biggest state by population
had seven hundred and fifty thousand approximately, But that was Virginia. Yeah,
and that's not even a suburb of Los Angeles these days.
So yeah, things have changed a wee bit.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
And basically you would have a different life in the
cities versus the rurals areas. And if this was purely
popular as in fifty one rules of forty nine, then
you don't have rights that we talked about. You have
whatever the government gives you. And I think one of
the most telling stories that I've learned about democracy is
(30:35):
what happened to Socrates? Do you know that story?
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Dog?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I mean, Brady now good and share it. Well, apparently
Socrates was doing some things that those in power didn't like,
and he got accused of corrupting the minds of the youth.
Now this is the Athens it's a democracy, and what
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happened and the democracy voted that Socrates was guilty Socrates
drink the hemlock, corrupting their minds because he wasn't saying
what they wanted, got him a death sentence. And some
people will say Democrats generally hold more progressive viewpoints, and
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they believe that some aspects of the Constitution need to
be adapted from modern times. I'm not sure what they
mean by adapted, but apparently they're not suggesting that it
actually get amended. They just want to adapt or broadly
interpret My thought of progressive is lemmings over a cliff
(31:43):
any last thoughts.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well, we should we say in that Socrates was the
first victim of government censorship or just one of the
most famous ones from twenty five hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'll say, I'll say one of the more famous ones
I know of.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
God. Yeah, you know, it's funny that this whole idea
thing you have to understand is if the small states
didn't have these rights, they never would have ratified the
Constitution in the first place. They did not fight a
revolutionary war against the biggest government in history just to
become subservient to population centers and another big government. It
never would have been ratified you don't get to change
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the rules one hundred years later because it's not going
your way unless you can actually get the states to agree. Sadly,
that happened in nineteen thirteen with the seventeenth Amendment. We
need to work on that, but that's another story for
another day.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Apparently we have a caller, excellent, bring them on.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, yeah, I can hear me.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I can hear you. Your name and state please.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Eric from Missouri. And I didn't know if you knew
how to go about it or how to become a
state citizen and withdraw from being a US citizen, which
has privileges versus rights, kind of like the United States
of America versus the United States.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Right, you only want me to address this, go right ahead,
and then I'll chime in.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Now, first of all, thanks for calling. And we get
next to those questions quite a bit, and there's a
bunch of different variations of it. Doug, myself and my
friend Coach Mel did a video on that we can
find in my rumble channel where we go through that
in quite a bit of detail. We don't specifically address
the sovereign state citizen, but this if you take a
(33:32):
look at my video go to war Hamster and that's
bear with me, and I'll tell you the exact name
of the video. It wasn't that long ago, and it.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Was on.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Just Had It. I was called debunking the US eighteen
seven win US Corporation theory. Now you didn't ask about
the eighteen seven US corporation. I recognized that, but we
touched on some of the other state sovereign topics to
wrap around that. So if you really want an in
depth answer, please go check out that channel. It was
about two weeks ago that we did that video and
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we tried to hit most of the topics and we'll
give you some other resources in that video to take
a look at and form your own decisions.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
And then I don't have a procedure to have to
go about it.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
No, you can follow some of the leads and they
will talk to you about the procedures. I think what
you'll probably find is what you're suggesting may not be
exactly how it's been presented. We certainly agree with the
principles of being you know, individual sovereignty is important, but
it's portrayed it's misleading in many ways the way it's
(34:38):
portrayed in a lot of corners of the Internet. So
I guess with our video tells people it's to be
cautious on that one. Really do your homework before you leave.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Yeah, that's what I kind of it seems complicated. I
heard Scott Bennett and a guy named Wayne and someone
else talking about how they've done well. This guy named Wayne.
Of course he didn't say his last thing, but on
see it's a native born citizens dot com. We had
some white papers. But like I said, I didn't know
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if there's if you'd already done it, or if you've
had an outline on how to go about it, or
if it's something that just caused more trouble.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Well, like I said that that's a path that's littered
with sad stories of people who tried to do it.
You know something that sounded really good. They came from
a place of integrity, and the government disagreed with them
and it didn't work out too well.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Can I weigh in on this please? Eric, Thank you
for calling in. I'll take I'll put some context to it.
There is the Organic Act of eighteen seventy one, and
people have read it and they say, this is how
you know our country became a corporation. Doug and I
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have done two shows and in those radio in those shows,
we've gone through every section of that Organic Act, and
there's nothing in my estimation that would lead me to
believe that. Forget the fact that you can't pass a
law that would that would take control of the government,
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but there's nothing in it. It would be crazy reading
to get to that conclusion. And this is what I
would say about being a state citizen not a US citizen.
Oh shoot, I wish I still had it A oh
I do hold on, I'm going to read a quote.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Do you want no?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
No, no, I got it?
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Was it changed to a private corporation trust and it
wasn't a public corporation.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Eighteen seventy one. There were Garna Act of eighteen seventy
one was about creating a municipal corporation for DC, not
the country. But here here's the quote I wanted to read.
This is from Edward Abbey. I don't know who it is,
but the duty of a patriot is to protect his
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country from its government. That's what we're talking about. So
to me, if something's going wrong, that would push somebody
to want to be quote unquote a state citizen now
a US citizen, we got to do with seventeen seventy
six and start getting involved. And I don't mean violence,
(37:32):
but we need to get involved. Wake up, stand up,
get involved, stay involved, and get our government back to
what the founders would be proud of. I hope that
helps the.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Other founding principles. Most certainly, you were a citizen than you.
You were always a citizen of your state first, and
the state was part of this union. Yeah, you took
a lot of pride in being from Virginia or from Delaware.
That was your identity. Now became more and more of
a national government. Everyone thinks of themselves as a US citizen.
So conceptually, I'd love for us to get back to
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this idea of federalism and taking pride in the state
that you're from and acting locally. But the question that
Eric was asking was whether there's a legal maneuver to
basically extricate yourself from US citizenship. My answer to that
is I've seen an awful lot of people to attempt
some plowing those lines and it did not work out
well for them.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, the other thing I would think about is if
you actually did accomplish that way, and I don't know
what that would look like. But does that mean you
don't have a US passport?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
You should probably have a California passport.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
And does California issue a passport?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
They do not.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Okay, so traveling outside the country is going to be hard.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
How could you travel outside the state?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well, they don't. They usually don't check for I don't
think they checked for yeah we're here.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Oh, I was going to say. And also they say
you couldn't vote in federal elections. But like I said,
I originally weren't a state representatives supposed to elect the
Senate or nominate and elect the Senate the federal senators
for the state senates going to the federal court.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, well, technically there are no federal elections. If you're
voting in.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
The elections, does your there's nobody holding does your office
is the facto? Now?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
All right, so that's getting into some of the linguistic games. Uh,
some people play, Like I said, I cautioned going down
that path.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I think, all right, well, I didn't know if you
had a have you've already been down that route and
then have had a plan or if you Okay, that's
what I was basically trying to find out.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, and he's start getting it. I know, I know
the people that are preaching the djuur versus de facto.
I just don't I don't play those linguistic games. I
don't think there's a gone down the rabbit hole, and
I don't think there's any gold at the end of it.
But I also know some people I like and respect
who disagree with me. So this is not a you know,
I'm I'm not the authority on the subject. I just
know what I've looked at. I just there is no
(40:04):
part of goal there.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Eric. Thank you for calling in. We appreciate your listening.
You take care of be safe, and well we're going
to do one. Thank you for that caller eight eight
eight four two nine five four seven one. Apparently the
number works. One last thing and then we're going to
move on to your topic, Brady. And in this article
(40:32):
I was reading and these this was considered discussion questions. Okay,
and they're talking about, you know, abolishing the electoral college.
But here's the one I want to pose to you.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
You ready, I'm ready?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Okay. Does the electoral college further or hinder democracy?
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Hopefully it hinders it to be honest with you, I
hope it does hinder it.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
The fact that the fact fact that the question is
posed leads me to believe that the person who wrote
this question doesn't understand the concept of federal republic and
doesn't understand that the founders would just hate that we
(41:19):
would even want to become a democracy. So enough on
electoral College, because apparently this thing is going to kick
into action real soon, because don't we have something going
on next Tuesday?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I believe that would be an election?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Okay, and for those who want to be very specific,
there's five hundred and thirty eight electoral votes total, and
the winning person must receive two hundred and seventy. Now
Brady's got something for me and you our listeners, which
I don't know what's coming.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, first of all, quick bit of trivia. We've got
four hundred and thirty five members of the House of
Representative and one hundred senators. That equals five hundred and
thirty five. Where did the other three electoral votes come from?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I know, I know?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
All right, Alan, go ahead, or should we let a
call er see if we want someone want to call
in with the answer?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Wow, we'll get moving DC.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
So the subject that I brought for you, DC is
one of them.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I thought DC got three?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Is it three?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:28):
So why do I think that you know? Why? Is
Guam votes? Then I remember that one?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Well, the topic I brought up has to do with
the election. There was a lawsuit file in Virginia the
Supring Court is ruled on today, and basically Governor Youngkon
of Virginia was trying to clean the voter roles for
people that could not prove that they were US citizens. Now,
Virginia's process was to give you like three chances to
remedy your proof of your citizen and after three of them,
(42:58):
they remove you from the roles. So is not just
you know, picking names out of a hat and tossing
people off right? The of course, the Department of Justice
challenges this. Their challenge is part of the National Voting
Rights Act. The MVRA of nineteen ninety three says that
you cannot mess with the voter roles adjust them at
all ninety days prior to the election, which makes a
(43:19):
lot of sense. You don't you want to cut down
on the brenksmanship. You're also supposed to not get involved
in prosecutions within ninety days, all that kind of stuff.
But we've ignored those norms. Virginia's defense is that if
you are a non citizen, you should not be on
the voter roles in the first place. Therefore, the National
Voter Rights Act does not apply to you. Well, that
was filed on Friday. We got the I believe this Friday.
(43:41):
But Supreme Court came back with a decision this quickly, and.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
They've ata Wait, I got it, I get interrupt. Wait
a minute. Something got filed with the Supreme Court last
week and they've already ruled on it. Yep, this has
got to be once in an end. Ever, it was
pretty quick. The Supreme Court ruled sixty three in favor
(44:05):
of Virginia. And I'm sure you can't guess who the
three dissenters were. I can't, but you're gonna tell.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Me they would have been so to mar you know,
the three Democrats appointed judges. Now, but thet nice thing
is that it was six three and not five four.
You didn't have a Kavanaugh or Cony Barrett slipping into
same morality and changing it. It's a big deal, and
it's not going to impact every state around the country.
(44:31):
Voter role cleanup has been going on, you know, for
the last year and a half in every single state.
We've been trying to get we ever since Biden issued
Executive Order one four one nine back in twenty twenty one,
where he directed every single federal agency, every single one,
to engage in voter registration efforts. Alan, I ask you,
(44:52):
who do you think NASA is registering to vote? Or
how about the DHS? But they, according to this order,
they had to get involved in voter regis why Because
Biden gave that order he wants the federal government involved
in what you've already discussed our local elections.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Well wait a minute, is NASA getting involved because we've
got voters on the moon?
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Well NASA can't even get to the moon elon muskas
to do that.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
The question is why does every federal agency, No federal
agency should be involved in federal and voter registration.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I'm going to be really simple and slow. That's my
comfort zone. Where in the Constitution was the authority power, right,
beauty given the federal agencies to do what is being proposed?
That would be nowhere. It's not there, okay, right there?
(45:51):
And to be president of the United States. Don't you
have to take an oath?
Speaker 5 (45:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
And does that oath include a phrase that would say preserve, protect,
and defend. Yeah, Well, when the President of the United
States is taking a position that is absolutely unconstitutional, is
that person preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I have a huge problem with the federal government being
involved with states where they're not where they're not constitution allowed,
and voting is one of them. And we brought that
up just by reading Article to section one, clause two,
(46:44):
where it talks about the electors right and that it
states business, not federal government business.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Not to be fair, alan, they have amended legally the
Constitution and addressed several issues when it comes to elections
over the last two hundred and forty years. We've had
a couple of amendments, but none of them change what
we're talking about today. None of the new amends ever
addressed the topic on the table.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah. That's my point, which is this is I mean,
yet the Supreme Court is weighing in. Why don't they
say this is none of our business, go away. Don't
you have to know the Constitution to be a Supreme
Court Justice of the Supreme.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Court unless you're a biologist. Oh okay, yes, I think
we have one of those now. But if it's a
very good Supreme Court ruling. Now there's another case that's
popping it up that may not be ruled on in time,
and that was out of Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
And do you know that case, Allen, No, I do
not please sease inform I have to do with.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
A similar issue with the cleaning of the voter registration.
I should pull that up, so I don't as quoted,
but this one I don't think is going to get
through the Supreme Court before the election.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Can I make a comment on the general topic. Yeah, okay,
this idea of cleaning up the voter rules, what are
they doing every week? I mean they wait till the
last minute. Why aren't they cleaned as they go? And
I mean, if somebody wants to be a voter and
(48:28):
they bring stuff that is not good enough to lock
them in on the voter roll, then put them in
a separate category to be determined, and let that person
continue to push to get onto the voter role. Why
are they mixing those who are legitimately on with those
(48:52):
that may not be. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah? The idea is to have a fair, free and
fair election where only eligible voters vote. You would be
doing that. Therefore, your idea has to be doing something different.
The Mississippi law, which is really fascinating. The Fifth Circuit judge,
a Fifth Circuit court, a three panel I guess it
was three judge of three panel judge ruled last week
that ballots received after election day are not eligible to
(49:18):
be counted with This is good. The problem is it
gets sent back down to a lower court to rehear,
so it's not going to impact the twenty twenty four
The decision was really strong, and the judge wrote something
along the lines of We've got two hundred and forty
years of constant institutional history that makes it crystal clear
that there is something called election day and not election month.
(49:42):
So this will be appealed. And they specifically targeted this
lawsuit for Mississippi because it's obviously it's a very deep
red state. They wanted to bring it in a friendly jurisdiction.
Someone else may bring a case in an unfriendly jurisdiction
like California. Therefore, you're going to have conflicting circuit court
rulings and is going to have to be litigated by
the Supreme Court. May not help us this year, but
I get this. I'm guessing that this has a chance
(50:04):
to be decided prior to the midterms next time around.
So those are two really strong election integrity cases that
have just happened.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Well, I like the phrase and election integrity. Thank you
for that for me. When I first started voting, you know,
right after the wheel was invented, there was election day.
Now there were certain things done for people who are
out of country, such as service members. I got that,
(50:36):
But you had election day. You showed up and you voted,
done and you showed idea to prove that you are
who you are, And now that's all gone away.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
You're an act. You're an account, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I am?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
And isn't there a certain date where everybody has to
file their taxes.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
By that or get an extension? But yes, and there.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
And everyone knows that date well in advance. Oh yeah,
And is there a penalty if you don't make that date?
Speaker 2 (51:07):
You won't be penalized penalty and interest?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Okay, So why is there no penalty for missing the
cutoff to mail in a ballot?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I'm still I'm wondering why if you're not out of
country or in service for the country, why you you know,
or if there's some medical reason why the mail in
the polls are open from sun you know, from sunrise
to sunset. I mean you have time to get to
(51:39):
the poll.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Well, it needs to be a national holiday. And there
goes that excuse the I am very concerned about these
yuakava foreign votes and how they're going to show up
in mysterious places over the next couple of weeks. I
think that is probably one of the biggest vulnerabilities in
our elections integrity right now. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
I I do like the idea of okay, it's received
by this state or it's not counted.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, called it deadline.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, it's called a deadline.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
We have to meet those in many walks of life,
but apparently just not for elections in some states. So fortunately,
hopefully that is finally addressed and we can actually get
back to election day.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yes, well, it looks like we're coming to the end
of the show. Everybody, you've been listening to The Power
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