Real N Rare interview with BKFC Lex Ludlow

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Fight fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Real
and the Rare. I'm your host as always, Stephen Michelle
being joined by the by this woliget next to me,
mister Lex Ludlow. Always always a pleasure catching out with you,
my friend. Appreciate the time this afternoon is always mean.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
It's always good to be on here. Brother, one of
my favorite people to do interviews with.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'd well, I take the appreciation. I see, I see
you out there.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I seen a couple of year clips from some of
the other reviews you've done over the last few weeks.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
So uh, I'll take my blessings where I get them.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
So for sure, we'll definitely get you a couple of clips.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh yeah, I will listen. We'll definitely get a couple
out of this one. We're always gonna have some fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
So lots of stuff going onto the combat sports world.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Obviously, first and foremost, I want to touch touch on
your last fight right you know obviously was the debut
was the debut for b KFC down there at the arena.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
You know you uh, you had the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
We talked about it on here beforehand. You called out
fade or obviously. Uh, it's it's one of the things
you do. You you you're always uh, you're always a
knucklehead on the mic.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'll just say it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
How excited were you to kind of get get that
first one out the way, and you know, did anything
Connor do to surprise you? Like, like were you happy
with the result? How how you performed?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Like how did that? How did everything play out? At
least in your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Let me ask you this, how do you think I did?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I mean, like, look like, like listen, you know when
when bare knuckle comes down, like you always said, I
always say styles makes fights, man, when.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's not like you know, you had a crazy knockout
and it was it was something that that, but you
didn't look terrible, you know what I mean. It's like
when you see some of these guys looking like listen this,
this guy ain't cut out for a bare knuckle.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
You're you're one. You're in the pocket, dude, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
So win loser draw was which you know, you got
a split decision win as a guy you know who
you know bigger than you, you know, So listen, take
that w put it in the bank. Now, now you
know we're gonna move on to the next one. Let's
show show us the improvement.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Did you think did you think that it was a
split decision win?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
You already know how I feel about fucking judging. Man.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
That was bad.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
That was a bad call, dude, that.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
You already know how I feel about this judge. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's it's it's one of the things that I think
that combat sports as a whole, regardless that we're talking
m m a boxing. Uh, you know, bare knuckle. The
only thing I do like about bare knuckle is we
talked about this man, open scoring, like you know where
you're staying right.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
So that's probably the only thing that probably you were
probably like sitting on the on the school still.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Get getting ready to go in that final round, probably
looking up like what the hell are these guys looking at?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I didn't I didn't understand. Well, one, I don't know
that I didn't know the rules, like I'm just fighting,
yeah what I mean, Like.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
I don't know, I don't I.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Still don't don't really know the rules. I'm just learning
as I'm going. I'll tell you this so like I'll
walk you through the whole thing, like so I'd never
watched any bare knuckle fight ever until I watched my
opponent fight like as tapes and stuff. So like my

(03:59):
first experience of like bare knuckle was watching in the
back on a little TV monitor, like a little like
thirty five inch TV monitor, like spitting on myself, like
a thirty five inch t that was discussed thirty five
inch TV monitor. And I was the first fight of
the main card, and there was four prelimb fights and

(04:23):
they all ended within a minute, like under a minute.
Like I just literally watched like dude walk out, Dude
walk out, knockout, Dude walk out? Do you walk out? Knockout?
So I'm just sitting there and I'm like, wow, this
is like this is insane. And you know, that's my
first impression of it. So I'm thinking, you know, like
I'm like, wow, that's gonna be me. And like about
a minute and a half, like I'm about to go
walk out there and just get conduced right in the

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face and fall over.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
But uh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I got this real good thing about me where I
can just hit a switch and all my nerves and
everything shuts off. And it's something I've been doing last
like four fights now, so.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
It felt good.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I guess like everything that everybody said to me was
wrong about it, because I was like calling fighters and
trying to get their opinions about it, and like, does
it hurt your hand?

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Does it?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
You know, like every time you punch.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Him, do you feel it?

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Like like what.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Like if you hit him in the body, doesn't hurt
like all wrong, dude. I didn't feel anything in there.
Even when I got hit, I didn't feel anything, So what.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
About afterwards the adrenaline don't Uh.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
My hand, my left hand was kind of bothering me.
I was sick that whole week too. That's another thing.
I was, Uh, I had the flu that whole getting
a little cold right now, I had a little uh,
but I had a stomach flu that week and I
was like non stop throwing up and stuff. So I
was I was pretty sick. But uh, just my just

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my left hand, just my hands just they were just
swollen a little bit. But he only hit me, dude,
if you really go back and watch it, like he
hit me, you know a decent amount of times, But
he only hit me good, like like three or four,
maybe five times. I know for a fact he hit
me almost one time around that like good like where

(06:11):
like I'd be like like like I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Rock or anything, but.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Like like where he would land with flush on my
chin or something like that, like per around.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
That was it. There was no way that was a
split decision winning.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
That dude was blinder than ever. I dominated that far.
I took the fourth round off. I was a little tired,
took the fourth round off. The fifth round, I was like,
I was like, dude, I'm so far ahead. Just don't
even make any sense. Why am I even here right now?
We're just gonna take this round off to Little did
I know other dude had other plans. He decided to

(06:44):
bet a little money on McKenna, try to get them,
try to get him that win, hoping the other dudes
were betting money on McKenna. But little did he know
they were rooting for the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, I mean, you got the first one done in it.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
At the way, We're gonna wait a little bit to
kind of go back to some banknock. I want to
go go through some some some of these current topics
that are going on in the combat sports world. Uh,
you know, I already said we we're gonna be making
a little bit of fun of Drake Paul tonight, he
made the comment after his fight that he's going to
sue anyone that claims his fights or stage. His actual

(07:20):
comment was, after years of letting it slide, haters being hated,
my teams have vigorously going up to anyone who makes
up lies about my boxing career.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Expect to be serve.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Nobody even watched it. Only thirty eight people bought it.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
No, I think that.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I think I heard and seen that, But I also
I also heard they did, uh, you know, five hundred
k byes.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I don't know how that was, but.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I read on I read on some websites that they
did like thirty eight buys.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah I did. I did see that.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I did see that graphic, but I didn't I didn't
pull I'm listen if he did thirty eight buys and
they're claiming, you know, five hundred k, idn't listen.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I didn't pay any attention to that. Uh.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
You know, I think some of the other stuff that
happened afterwards, or kind of was was was more prevalent. Uh,
you know, the whole thing that's going on with Juli
or Chavez junior right now.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
He really did deport him.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Like, like, dude, first off, how does he get sanctions
for a fight? Isn't like there's certain things for the
for the boxer's license that when you like obviously you
have to renew it every year and stuff like that,
but like and there's little parts in there that.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
That you have to have.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
That's a good point. Yeah, Like, I because they do
ask you. I'm pretty I gotta I gotta throw mine
now the eleventh I gotta I gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yetta get on that, brother.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I'm pretty sure they asked like citizenship and stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, like I think, but but also like we know,
like there's a lot of athletes who stay in the States,
but they still currently reside you know, Mexico, Australia, somewhere
in the UK.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like you see see that where they're they're work visas
are all up to date.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
So I think that, you know, I don't think there's
anything about warrants or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
So like I know, like there you know from some
of the reports that he apparently had a warrant in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
All the other accusations I'm not even gonna bring up
because at this point in time, it's freaking accusations. He
had a warrn in Mexico. Cool, he had a warren
in Mexico. Then how did you let him fight? And
then all of a sudden before everything's all sudden done,
then then.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
You're having have a nice take them away.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
That's my kind of like the timing of it is
weird to me, That's what that.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
That was my issue with the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
If he had issues going on, then the fight should
have been should have been nixed and whatever.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
But I think you know, just.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
A time, as you like.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
In your license, they ask you like have you been arrested?
Like you're bi like, are you currently like under any probations,
but they actually they actually do ask you. So that's
a good point, brother. I somebody needs to dive deep
into that.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm sure some some of some of the nerds are
already getting into it. And you know, obviously I'm not
I'm not on the political fence on anything.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
You know, if you don't belong here, you don't belong here.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
If you're not contributing to this country, you don't belong here,
you know. But like as far as like somebody like, like, dude,
his dad has been a part of the boxing community
for what thirty forty years? Like, come on, man, like,
there's there's ways to kind of get things situated, find

(10:45):
out X, Y and Z without having him taken away
and then you know, have being detained in things of
that nature.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
It's like I said, the timing of it's weird.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
But then let's talk about the actual fight, right, the
actual fight about it?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I thought this was weird. All he was talking about
not people want to talk about it's not fixed.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
How does Chavez only throw barely twenty punches in the
first three rounds?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Like those numbers are off, and then he's still I
think by the eighth round he did he finally gets
into like the twenty five thirty some odd range towards
the end of the fight.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Where how these guys only land as many punches too.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's it's this graphic speaks a lot of values in me.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I mean, obviously jacobmos throws five hundred punches but only
landed and forty punches.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Come to his and fifty four.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is why people feel
the way they feel about it.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Seven and seven punches in the sixth round, seventh, sixth round,
five and the seventh, and then he goes up. He's
going up a lot of this there. Why would is it?
Maybe I don't know. The only defense that he could
have is maybe he was saving his cardio for the
later rounds.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
But yeah, but also like he much more.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
But also he's not a true cruiser weight, So why
are you waiting to the later rounds to kind of
pick it up?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
And we we know like it's been you know, it's
been a while since he won a notable fight.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
There's there's a lot of things that goes into this.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
It's clear it's clear that he it we're gonna get sued.
It's clear that he he uh, it's clear that he
likes advantages.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Like yeah, what I mean listen, me and you talked
about this before, like.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
He's very insecure and and this.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Is and this, and we're gonna get into it a
little bit more in a second because of what happened
after all this. So like listen, he's, in my opinion,
until he shows me anything different, he's a weight bully.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
He's he he.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Picks guys that are that that that are a weight
class or to under him.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
This is only his his.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
His second or third fight against an actual boxer, right.
So it's one of these things where it's like there's
a lot of stuff that reason why people feel that
the way they do about it.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
And then the w b A goes and ranks him.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
I saw that today.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Now, now obviously you know now it's going to be reviewed. Right.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
The w b A came and made that, made it,
made a conversation that you know that they're going to
review it at I think they have like some kind
of like internal get together in between.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I think it's like July sixteenth, July sixteenth to the eighteenth. Right.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
But here's the bigger thing, right, all right, so he
gets ranked more bs, right, WBA is now going to
investigate their ranking of him.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Right. But here's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Man, Like the guy they took off the list is
twenty in Oh.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
He's twenty in Oh and they took him. They gave
Jake his spot.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
Sad yeah, god brother, I mean it's it's beyond me, Like,
this is why a lot of people feel the way
they feel about it.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
This is why people say that boxing is dead because
you have a guy that's been working his fucking ass.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Off, right, Well, there's only one way to settle this, Stephen.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, Like, listen, I know he's he's calling out, he's
calling out the champions, and and if that happens.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I'll lose.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I'm tuning out, completely tuning out, because then then then
there there is no rhyme or reason.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
To it anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
That that a guy who hasn't, like we talked about this,
the way he's going about learning.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Boxing and and and learning how to fight.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Against the type of guys that he's learning for Bravo.
I'll give him that aspect of it, regardless of me
and you argument the legitimacy.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Of it or not, is it is it a carnival
act or not. That that's an argument for another day.
But the fact that who he is, where he came from,
where he.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Is now, and how he's learning on the fly, I'm
not gonna take that part of it away from him.
This this is nonsense and being ranked by the w
B A.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't and we all know what this is. This
is a chance for them to kind of get get
a part of that money grab.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's what this is this is really all about when
everything's said and done, but doing that to that boxing's
he's never lost a fight and having a guy like
Jake jump him in the rankings with him not fighting
and actually either someone ranked in the top twenty in
the WB a cruiserweight.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I have a problem with, did you just fight?

Speaker 1 (16:09):
He shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
He should like, I know, he's calling out you know,
you know, uh, you know, some of the bigger names
in the weight class.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
He's calling out anti Josh.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
He's calling like, Josh, you got you gotta beat beat
someone that's ranked underneath the you know, you know ten,
the ten, ten to fourteen, fifteen.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
Now, in my opinion, don't stop a couple of dudes,
get you climb the rank actually climb the rankings of
current cruiserweights that are active.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
See, he's not being Josh, I.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Know he's not. I think someone says, like someone got
asked about this.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
It was it was one of the one of the
other like boxing guys, and they were like, if he
wants to like end all and his life, you know,
and his boxing career, the go ahead for that, but like, what,
like what does it even do for some of these
guys like you're like knocking at Jake Poe.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Ain't gonna give them any more legitimacy.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Obviously, you're probably gonna get a lot more publicity for it,
But like, what does it do for any of these guys?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
What is it gonna do to knock.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Out Jake Poe, who a lot of people kind of feel,
you know, he's a sideshow act.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, the one thing I don't really like about him
too much, brother, is that is that, uh, he picks
the easier fights. I don't mind the calling out the
champions and stuff like that. That that don't bother me. Listen,
I get it, Yeah, get it, Yeah, yeah, you get it.
That's what I'm meant to say. He's trying to make
a fight. Hey, I do the same thing, trying to

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get I'm trying to fight fa over here. Uh but
uh listen, Like what I don't like about him is
like it seems like sometimes he can't make up his mind.
Like he signs with PFL, he's never he never did
the m M A flight. I really want to see
how he does an MMA. Like I really am matrigued

(18:09):
by that he should fight, He should fight the m
M A fight. But I guess it's because he's uh
so obsessed with boxing right now. He wants to box,
but I don't really know much about boxing. Dude, he's
a cruiserweight. I don't know why he would fight Anthony
Joshua and.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Anthony Joshon was like six foot seven.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, but but I'm with you, like, I think.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I think he should fight someone like like the guy
who just had the graphic up, Craig Parker. I mean, dude, like,
could you imagine that waking up, you're the fourteenth ryank
cruiser waiting the world, and all of a sudden your
fifteenth and and and that that's the guy they put
in front of you.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, I'd be a little annoyed. That'd be a little annoyed,
But I would just be like I would just say, hey,
like wait, let's.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Just fight, Like, let let's have you actually earned that
ranking and then and then then we can come back
and come to the table.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
But his biggest win is like Anderson Silver.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, Anderson or or Nate, but he didn't even Nate
didn't even look good in that fight.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
His biggest win is Ben Ashker.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, and that's and that kind of leads me right
into the next one about Ben. So for people who
don't know obviously, you know, Amy put it out there
that you know, the the the lung transplant was successful,
and you know, you had a.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Lot of guys reaching out.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
You had guys like Andrew Tate reaching out, was trying
to ask to Uh. The rumor was Jake Paul himself,
UH put up five hundred k towards UH, towards the
fundament make sure that it happened.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
But UH, the fact that that.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
One the insurance company turned down Ben into that that
you know, friend's family, et cetera, how to reach out
to the to the to the fight community to make
this happen is freaking Sickney.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, that's insurance for you, brother. We'll approve your ACL surgery,
but we will never approve your life or death situation.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
I wonder.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I wonder why they denied it though, because how much money.
It was like, yeah, like you know you had Jake
joint five hundred k.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
But it was the rumor was with everything all said
and done, it was going to be closer to like
a uh one to five to two million dollars to
kind of like the example the after kre all that
other stuff that it was gonna get close like two
million dollars and they didn't want nothing to do with that.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I like how Jake Paul caught out Dana White.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
All right, Now here's my thing. Here's my thing about that.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
We all know you guys don't have actual like retirement funds,
medical insurance when it comes to like the higher level athletes,
UFC fighters things like that.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
What the Dana oh Ben for?

Speaker 3 (21:06):
For?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I mean Jake's Jake's is doing it to kind of
poke at Dana like he always does, right, But.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Like at the end of the day, like, how do
we know that Dana.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Didn't privately give him some you know, make a donation
or things or things of that nature, and Jake's just.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Doing it for the headlines.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I we know that we know that that that both
uh Andrew Tate and and Jake have donated because they
publicly said. So, how do we know that Dana didn't
privately donate something because he's he's been known to do
that for for some of his guys. I don't know
if he considers Ben one of his guys and that's
something that he actually did.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
But like we we're going to take Tike's word on it. Now.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I don't know what to say about that, dude.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
I mean, I've heard some good things.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
About Dana Wahite.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I mean what I'm saying like he looks out for
his guys.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
That's what I That's what I'm saying, And like I
still believe to this day, like like you know, we
we we're probably sitting here talking talking to somebody like
a Stephan Bonner if him, if him and Stefan didn't
have a falling out when he when he left when
he retired and left the company, like you see, you
see how Forrest got grandfathered in with all kinds of

(22:17):
like little little side things that that he does with
the UFC.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Right Uh, he runs the p I Center.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
So like you're telling me that they could that they
couldn't have found something like that for Stephan and then
he didn't go down the hole that that he's went.
And even more so we're seeing it right now, what's
going on with BJ Penn?

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Now?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
BJ Penn was absolutely a Dana guy. Why isn't why
isn't he reaching out to Dana? Why is it or
why is it Dana reaching out to him to see
what he can do to put him in that better place.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Something some stuff might have had the scenes.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Like like it's like like we already know, like you
know guys like Rampage Jackson that they they they didn't
they didn't get.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
You know, and he's made a public like like why
they haven't got along?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
What was his problem? What it was his issue? And
he just felt like Dana was taking money out of
his pocket. Might not been data specifically, but like I
get it.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
But it's one of these things.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Where it's like do like there's obviously there's more to it,
but like is all that have to fall on the promoter?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I mean it's kind of like if you you're working
at like TJ Max and then you get cancer, where
you really gonna expect TJ Max to to cover your
you know, your built.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
It's kind of like that's how I feel about it.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
But like there is a human side of it, and
I think that like personal relationships in combat sports or
what's going to help the athlete if something ever does
happen to him.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
And like you guys need to have like.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
A rainy day fun on top of on top of
a medical emergency fund on top of this, on top
of you guys have to do to compete.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
So it's like you guys are in this never ending
thing like you have.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
To like it's going from from fight to fight to
make sure you guys have what you need. It's not right. No,
you're not. You're not getting NFL money. You're not getting
you're not getting Major League Baseball money. Oh look what
we've just seen in basketball that the kid, uh, the
kid from the Oklahoma City Center just signed a four year,
two hundred and eighty five million dollar contract.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
He's twenty six years old.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, listen, man, we God didn't bless us with that
athletic ability to be able to get get that that
basketball money.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Baseball is even harder a sport.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
But them guys get get crazy money too.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, they all get good money.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
But is that also in turn that they have great
medical care and medical insurance.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't know. I haven't I haven't seen one of
those contracts.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
We know the NFL, once you're after five years, you're
done because you know warrants that famously put it out
there that you know, after he got his.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Golden jacket, medical insurance was cut off.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
The UFL does that, and the GFL did it before.
The GFL decided to be weird and strewly and what.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
A weird What a waste of time?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Man? Yeah, nothing but a scam, Nothing but a scam.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
My friends known right from their horrible logo. Remember how
like crappy the logo looked. It looked like it looked like,
uh like some dude in his mom's basement made it.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Crappy design.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Now we got a couple more combat sports movies coming out,
obviously that the Smashing Machines come out, and people were
asking her about it, and he basically said, uh, for
if people see the movie, if it's something that could
save somebody's life, you know, for him, it would actually
mean something that I mean, I'm looking forward to the

(26:03):
Smashing Machine coming out.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
And uh, I just heard a rumor that, uh.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Sidney Sweeney's gonna be depicting Christy Martin, the former boxer.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
And for people who don't know are snickering at that,
Sidney was an actual training partner of Ronda Ralsey at
one point in time. Obviously they've taken completely different different
paths and and and you know, training partner versus actual
fighter is a whole nother argument, whole nother discussion, but.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
She's not.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Zero respect for Rousey?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
What's your paper? Rondo? Let me hear this one.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
She's just nothing but a complaining, arrogant cocky.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Is it is it? Is this because of the wrestling stuff?
I need to know?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Is it because of the wrestling stuff or is it
because of her? How everything ended in her mm maker
what's your well?

Speaker 4 (27:04):
It all started on The Ultimate.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Fighter with her Amisha Tate and you get you get
to see the real side of her, and and then
you know it got They kind of try to hide
it for a little while, but you know it's kind of.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
It was hard to hide.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Like she doesn't she loses a loses an mm A fight,
and then she goes on Oprah and talks about how
she wanted to kill herself, Like.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Come on, dude, you have millions of dollars in the
bank account here.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
You ain't thinking about killing yourself, especially when you're talking
to Oprah Winfrey.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Do you remember watching the first like embedded series behind
the behind the scenes stuff when they were talking to
her mom.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I kind of have a visual of what you're gonna say,
but remind me so so.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
You know, when she lost Nationals the first time, before
she lost a bid to go to the Olympics the
first time that when she won her medal, she literally
did like basically right away and disappeared for for three
years until until the next Olympics came and she she
didn't get get like she was basically running around the world.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Her mom had no clue where she was.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
She It's it's a tough thing like like like, you know,
I'm not sitting there saying that she was right for.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Doing it, but like, you know, how is there Everyone
deals with losses in a different way.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Some some people kind of you know, just you know,
we all deal with that personal that damn traumas in
our own way.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Is that we.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Also all go through something and not everything needs to
be talked about publicly, Yeah, you know what I mean.
And the way the way she acted all the ultimate fire,
like she wins the rock climbing competition. On the whole
way down, she's giving me take the finger, like, what's
even the real beef between you two? Because you guys
fought each other, that was it. And then she goes

(28:51):
to w WE and she makes herself look like such
an idiot there, Like I that's the one.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
That's why I kind of felt in that that this
is coming from with you. Is that not only that
she had that those qualities, but she also went to
the WWE and and didn't didn't perform great, didn't look great,
didn't look good in ring, didn't look good on the mic,
any of it.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Okay, there we go here, I am a lot brighter.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Now. Well, here's my thing with pro wrestling, right, and
this it's not going off topic, but it's the same
thing with c him punk. Right. You got a guy,
a seventy year old man who you know, talking about Vince. Okay,

(29:41):
I know a lot about Vince. I don't obviously, I
don't know him personally, but I know I've heard a
lot of stories about him to where I have an
idea of this guy. Okay, it's his company, it's his sandbox, okay.
And these people are paid millions of dollars life changing
amount of money, okay to pretend to fight, Okay, and

(30:06):
they just have like weird issues about it, like her,
she has. She has like really weird issues about it.
Just shut up and go out there and do what
you're told. It's not that hard mm hmm. Complainer, man,
I can't stand that girl dode at all. You can't.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
I don't like.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Some some athletes that they are always going to run
your run you the wrong way. You're not always gonna
want to get behind and support.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
And did you watch the Puks interview? Uh? Media scrump?
Did you ever watch for aw Did you ever watch that?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
No?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well you should watch it because it shows like who
he really is. He is the biggest complainer you'd ever
see in your life. They I Matt Riddle said last
week that he's got buddies in the we and they
can't stand them. All he does is complaints all the time.
Could you imagine having like a creative idea and you

(31:02):
got to present it to this guy like he's in
a complaint.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh yeah, like like because in wrestling there you know
it's like you know, you you have to have conversations.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
With the other guy, guy or girl you're gonna go with,
and you.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Guys could basically have to run through your ideas for
the match, for you know, the mic stuff, for the
build up stuff. There's all there. There's a lot of
moving parts when we're talking about what goes on in wrestling.
So I get it, like trying to pitch an idea
too to fill.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
And he's just like, oh, that's terrible. What are you
talking about? Are you an idiot?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
And that's what he does, guys, right, that's what he
does all the time, all the time. Dude. I'm surprised
mister man didn't kill himself working for working with that guy.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
I'm big Vincent fan.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
By the way, he's innocent, dude.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Do you think Vince is innocent?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Really?

Speaker 4 (31:57):
No, he really is.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean, if you if you go and you and
you read back, like when it first came out, dude,
text messages leaked. She literally he literally said, can Johnny
f you on Tuesday? And she literally says, not this week, honey,
I'm a little tired, but most likely next week. That's

(32:18):
more than enough consent. I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know what else you're gonna say that. It's
way more than enough concent now.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Also, like that's coming from your boss, And like a
lot of these things, it's like he's being all right,
I get he's innocent, but morally, like to sit there
and do that to somebody you're employing, that that you
control this person's future, it's kind of crossing.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
She was a plant. She was a plant. She one
thousand percent was a plan. She she got hired in
like twenty nineteen, randomly gets basically thrown at the right
and then by twenty twenty two he's out. He was

(33:06):
a plant. She was a plant, dude. And and the
two people that voted against the Chigman at the board
meeting was Stephanie and Vince.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
All right, Stephanie and.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Sorry, And we all know that for the longest time
he tried to keep hun her away from Stephanie.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, for sure, dude, he just trying to buy BKFC.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, I heard about that. I heard her about that.
I knew, I knew this was going to come up
at some point in time.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Way, dude, I got here's my thing.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Here's my thing.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
He has enough money where he could actually buy like
sit there and say he partners with with the other
promotion will byb with with with with Mike Vee and Dada,
and he puts some serious money into that to kind
of be the new face over there.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
That'd be a problem.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Dude. Do you watch wrestler? Do you keep up with it?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
No, I mean I keep doing My son is always
in my ear but you know, like he was talking like,
oh there was two different money special money in the
on the bank stuff this weekend.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Like he's always like he's always in.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
My ear, like I took him to WrestleMania and made
sure he had his experience. But like I guess, like
I'm I'm the old Cogard and in that sense, like dude,
I just missed the attitude there. I missed those guys.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
But not to sit there and say I don't. I
don't think these guys.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That are that are amazing that you know that that
are doing their thing they like, aren't.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I just I'm not.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I guess I don't have that attachment to him, like
like I did you know your stone colds your your I.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Don't watch it. I don't watch it anymore myself, but
I read, I read like the backstage stuff all the time.
So do you know what the TNA wrestling is?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah? I know what. TNA is literally.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Partnered with him recently, and I read the main reason
don't be partner with him was because they were afraid
Vince was going to try to buy it.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Hey, listen, they're trying to do anything to keep him
away from something that that that could compete with him,
and it's what volumes like to to a.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Lot of things.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
He's still I read that. He's like, I'm still respected
by like a lot of like the big name wrestlers,
like even today, like like he could he could get
Vince them to switch and jump and all that stuff. Listen, dude,
he just needs to get proven innocent and I would
just be I would just be happy if they just
put him in the Hall of Fame, like he doesn't

(35:38):
need to.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
I don't think he should.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Be running the company anymore, like at least not the
day to day, but at least.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
At least like put like run some stuff by him,
the creative side of things, because you can't you can't
take that away from Vince.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
He knew what strings to pull and whennot. Didn't say
he had all the answers, and we know he didn't
have all the answers.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Something he was he was dead wrong about wrestlers ideas,
et cetera. But he was, you know, he you know,
if we're talking like like baseball, like you know, he
was hitting home runs like you know, you know seven
out of ten times, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Dude, I'm on the window. I weigh in on the
twenty fourth. I went in the twenty fourth. That's the
first say I'm gona ask Dave. I'm gonna walk up
to Dave. I'll be like, what was that like? What
was that like being in the room with that, because dude,
there's some crazy stories out there about him. Dude and I, I, uh,
you know, after this fight, we might get a like

(36:38):
a exclusive multi fight deal, and I'm gonna I want
in my contract that I have that I get to
beat this.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I want to give the wildness and craziness of combat sports.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Fucking John Jones man.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
He was He was retired for thirteen days and has
officially re entered the testing pool.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
And literally right after this tweet.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Came this because obviously the big announcement over the last
few weeks was, uh, you know, uh, mister Orange, Donald
Trump is vowed that he's gonna hold a UFC event
at the White House for the two hundred and fiftieth
anniversary of the United States.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
What are your thoughts on this fucking craziness?

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Brother, Let me see that visual.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Oh I literally just just deletedright.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Don't worry about it, don't worry about it. I don't know, dude,
don't they have like a stadium out therely? Why can't
they just do that? Like, I don't really understand that.
I don't understand. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
That's the uh, the perks that come that come with
UH Dana and and UH and Donald being good friends.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
I think that's the that's kind of par for the course.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
But why is it so popular?

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Like why why did the.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Players like why do all why did they all want
to do it?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
And listen, the only ones that kind of really said
anything about UH, the only fighters that I've seen that
that have said something openly wanting to be on this
card was obviously Connor McGregor was the first person to
go out there, and he UH sent down a couple
of voice notes of that screenshot.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
And he just said he loves it.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
And you know, obviously, UH rumor is is that Connor
McGregor will probably be a part of that event and
that that doesn't surprise me one bit because I don't
think at least gives him a year to get to
physically get get ready for it.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I don't think he does.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
He's still got of he's still in the testing pool,
and he's still he still has I think.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
He's supposed they have three fights under his contract, but
I still think time wise that he's still ows them
another year.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Okay, so well they better freaking lock him down because
as soon as he gets out, he's bare knuckle there.
I guarantee you that's a part of that partnership deal.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, I mean, I I agree with you. I think
at some point in time he's going to just because dude,
he's he's just that that that type of dude, like
I think like he mixes well with with bare Knuckle,
the personality of of of the fan, that the personality
that he is. I think that before everything's said and done,

(39:41):
I don't know when when it will happen or who
it'll end up being against, but there's it's I think
it's just a matter of time before he winds up
getting in the ring and and and and performing for
for b K f C. I mean, I I'm with you.
I think it's only it has to be in his contract.
So where that he's going to, he's gonna step in

(40:02):
there against a partner of his choosing.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
At some point toime, probably Jeremy Stevens.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I mean, it would make the most sense there there's
backstory there, Like a lot of people were saying Eddie,
but I'm pretty.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Sure that was Eddie Swan song. Unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah, I think Joe back to Sorry. I get sidetracked
a lot. Jones, I don't know what's going on. My man,
he's the goat. He should stay retired. He should never
fight Tom aspinall.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
I think it was a genius move on his part.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Unless he's coming back just for a super fight against
somebody else, he's not the champion.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Some of the rumors, like when you see some of
the people going through it on social media, like they
you know, it's just one actually saying, like some of
the potential matchups we should see if if the if
it actually does go, we're gonna have a U We're
gonna have a UFC fight.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
The next fourth of July at the White House, first
person was Tom Jones.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
You know, you know Tom Astata and John Jones.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Well, dude, I mean that kind of makes sense because
it's America's birthday. Dude.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, uh, you know, you know Kayla Harrison and man
and who knows. I don't know if you can hold
off a year to see that fight. I think that
I think we're gonna see that before the end of
this year. I think when we get into that that
late December card, that's probably where we'll see them fight.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
But how do we need to see Strickland?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
And this is just somebody's you know, I guess there.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I thought the funnier one was the.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
The odds to who we would see it would be
Dustin Poier, Max Holloway, O'Malley, Gageye Brady. I hope Sean
does does get get on this card, just you know,
just just the Philadelphia Pride being there fourth of July.
I think I think that would make sense. John Jones obviously,
Connor obviously. My thing in thinking of this one too,

(41:57):
is is that it's like a so tell one off,
one time experience.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Who else are from from our fighters past? Who could
you see wanting to get involved in this? I know, uh,
you know, I.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Think we are Literally this is the anniversary of Anderson
Silva being being knocked out by Chris Widman. Happened in
twenty thirteenth to day, right. Wouldn't you love to see
Chris Wibman on that on that card too?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
There's only one person I would want to see on
that card. He's undefeated, he's undisputed, he's never lost a round.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Chill, Yeah, see that. But I just gave you a
matchup that could happen. Chris Widman Chaill Son.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I think Chill realistically, Chill's too old. Chris Wiban, dude,
he's I was when when he first came out due
and I was a big fan. Like when he when
he knocked out Mark moon News, I was like, damn,
did this guy can give like Anderson a little bit
of trouble?

Speaker 4 (43:00):
I didn't expect him to win, but uh.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
And Silver put himself in a position to lose.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
If there was any no one, no one thought that
second fight would have happened the way he did.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
No one thought that.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
If there's any matchup that I always wanted to see
that could happen on that card, it literally.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Would be.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Widman versus Bisbee.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I don't think he gets I don't think you can
get it now.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
And then now that that it's also known that Mike
has one eye, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I don't know if he can get him sanctioned.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
I always I always wanted to see that fight. I
really think Bisbe would have surprised a lot of people.
Bisman's good, dude, he is, he is.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I still fit feel like he uh he lost the
Anderson Silver fight.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
I don't want to hear any if fans or about that.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I watched that fight, dude, I was I hated Anderson
Silver growing up.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I didn't hate him. I respected him. I just enjoyed
watching him fight.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
And I kind of felt that that Chris that that Michael.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Got a gift that night.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
It was a good fight.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
It was a good fight. It was Michael still got
a gift that night. He can argue all he.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Wants to, you know, on his podcast on on on
other fighters podcasts, all he wants.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
I mean, I wasn't the biggest Michael bisbig fan.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I mean, hell, dude, I remember cheering when Dan knocked
them out.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I cheered for that too. Dan Henderson's like my top
like five favorite flighters.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Now that being said, like Michael won me over in
the end, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah, that's like I started becoming a real fan of his.
I'd say when I never hated him, but like it
was just like, uh, it was kind of like like
I don't know, like because he was a point fighter,
basically like he got some stoppages. But but it was
like it was like, yeah, he's not like that.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I guess my thing is is because like how he
always used to fuck with Would uh Would hamml.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
It's like, du why are you picking on the theft? Dude?
You're you're just an arrogant s O B. But he was.
But there's a but there's an arrogance to all fighters.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I forgot about that. That's actually a pretty fluid.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
So like I mean, I get I get some of it.
But like at the in the end, like Bisbee did
finally like win me over, not his personality, just the fighter.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
That was in the cage, right, I like, you know,
he was this great character that that everyone can kind
of get behind.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
But just the respect of just watching him develop and
then towards.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
The end, you know, you know, you know, getting the
belt over over Jeor is that's the king of the
Hill movement?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Ain't and is it not?

Speaker 4 (46:06):
It was a great fight.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
My favorite fight though of his was Bisbang versus Dan
Henderson too. Uh. I was cheering for fucking Henderson like crazy, dude.
That was a crazy fight because like Bisbee's dad, you
think he's out, then he gets back up. Henderson Rocks.
I loved Henderson like at that part of his career

(46:30):
because he was like so old, but he had like
but but he.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Had a rocket launcher for a right hand.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
He rock you like it was over.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
But like if you could like survive like the onslaught
like he would.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Just basically if you could circle so he his his
his power can't hurt you, Like it's going to hurt
getting hit by him, but not to get put out
then you know, and you can not the takedown, then
you could find a way to beat Dan Henderson.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
But Dane thought heavyweight too. That the crazy part about.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
It, dude. Yeah, dude, he had something. He had the
most exciting fights like I've ever seen, Like like you
would just be like, oh man, like Hector Lombard, that's
a bad matchup and the like unconscious like like uh,
even when he fought Fade or dude, get me, get
me up a little bit of here, I'm getting excited. Uh,
even like he freaking destroyed Fad or well he got

(47:24):
rock remember and then he came back, took his back,
knocked him out.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Great fighters, dude.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Uh that he is on the bucket list to meet
for sure.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, so like I wonder if you would.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Like you know, we we we've already talked about this,
your your your former home host of Marissio showgun Hua
today for seminar. If they ever get Dan to come in,
are you you painted?

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Oh there, dude, dude, I would freaking get arrested by
the cops.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Just show up.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
There, get a little autographed by Dan.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
I feel like he's definitely you got me on that one.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
He's Uh, he's one of those bucketless guys that if
he's doing something in the area.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
You should get him on a podcast.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Dude, dude, if I could get a hold of my
would dude like it's it's not that like I get
get I actually got one in the in the works
right now. And I may not excite you any but uh,
I'll be here tonight. August eleventh. Ricky Waters is gonna
be good. Show is gonna air. We're gonna We're gonna
have that the interview both me and Ben Troop did

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with former Eagles Rocky Water August.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
I don't even know who that is.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
He was a running back for the Eagles in the UH.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
In the UH in the nineties, he was a super
Bowl with Super Bowl winning running back with the forty
nine ers national championship winner with Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
You know, listen, I'm excited for you, but I'm not
excited for him.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Listen, I already know, like you're not You're not big,
like unless it's wrestling or fighting, like it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah, like I just falsely.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I mean you, I know.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
That's that's why I said, I already knew, like it
wasn't gonna be a big thing for you.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
But well, listen, if it excites, if that makes you happy, dude,
and that's like I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I was like fifteen, sixteen years old. He was like
the biggest reagent sign that we had at the time.
He performed by he was here. Uh, He's one of
the reasons why, like I think the culture changed for
the Philadelphia Eagles. So it's you know, I'm excited for
us to air it. It should be fun. Hopefully his his manager,
let's us have it have him again during during the season.

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Also hopefully, uh, he gives us some of his other
clients too, So.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
It's gonna be It's gonna be a fun one. It was.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Let's make a deal though, dude, if you ever get
Dan Henderson on the show.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Will I will give you the link, brother, I will
give you the link and give.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
You the heads up.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
I gotta be on that, dude.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I don't care if it's a freaking birthday or I
don't care, Dude, I'm not I'm at a funeral. I'm
I'm there, Dude, I have a billion questions for Damn,
we get so annoyed by me.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
I feel like because I was.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Hey, listen, you know that that's the part of it.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Like I was just interviewing.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Ryan Pearson and he was he was talking about like
some of some of his like buckingless guys. He you know,
he looks up to and talk to. He's the co
main event on on On on your fight. He's no,
he's a mean event.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Ryan Pearson, he's fighting Dustin.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
He's fighting my uh.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
My teammate.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
In a way, he's not my teammate, but we're under
the same management company.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah. Ryan lives in a farming out in California.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
So well, I feel bad for him because he lives
off the grid. Because he lives in California. Who the
heck would want to live there? But uh, that's like
we got forty United States dude, California. I don't I
don't consider that a state. But listen, good luck to him,

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good luck to Dustin.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
I don't really know.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I don't really know much about uh that guy, Ryan
Peterson or Peterson, whoever's name is.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Good luck to you, my friend.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
The interview I did before that the guy was gonna
be on the event with with or Alawsky, and he
was like, that's my He's like, that's my He's like, dude.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I was like, I was like, bring an extra pair
of gloves. Brother.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
He's like, if I'm in the same locker for when him,
I'm probably gonna find.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
A way too.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Did you see they announced for my card?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
I mean I did. Let me pull this up and
pull pull your pull the graphic up for it.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
You know, obviously on it.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
He got sexy Lexi Dan there in the corner.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
You know, Johnny Garbarino is gonna be on it, and uh,
you know Dustin and uh and uh Ryan are gonna
be the main event as of right now.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Yeah, but they announced a new fight.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Did you see it?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Or now?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
No, I didn't who they announced?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, Lea did see that today?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
You know that's that took me by surprise.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, he's we haven't seen I haven't heard of about him.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Didn't he get sent to like Bellatore for a period
of time?

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Kidding, he gets sent it's like their choice here to.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
The meaning that he was released from his UFC contract,
and he wanted.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
I don't I don't you met. But it was just
funny the way you said, the way I said it.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Just get set to Dan.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
It was like, listen, you're going here. Good luck.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
That's what people think when they when they look at
this sometimes like they connected like.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
That, of course, but that's not how it works.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
But uh, I think I would if I were him,
I would have liked Baltore because they were real big
in Europe. They were always going to France, Italy.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, he's he's one of the international guys.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
So yeah, so but it just took me by surprise
because I know they're going to Italy now a lot,
And it took me by surprise that he that they're
booking him on Philadelphia, especially.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Because you guys just had a had a big event
over in Italy.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Would I think this is going to be a preemptive
if he wins this, that he'll probably he'll probably main
event Italy, the next Italy card.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
He should because he's a big name out there.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Like listen, I say, I say a lot to Dave.
Dave has done so much with with this brain in
seven years, just from making the relevancy, getting getting the sanctioning.
But what what he's done over the last few internationally,
you can't take that work away.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
What he what he's done, you know, guys already done.
Dubai was a big was a big event.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
You know, I know, I know, I know we're gonna
see Rush at some point.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
They get me on a plane. I want fade or dude,
where is he?

Speaker 4 (54:21):
What did you think about the call? Did we talk
about that or no?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
No, I mean we briefly touched on it, but you know,
I mean obviously you know you told me about it
beforehand that uh that's what we were gonna that's what
you were gonna do.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
We didn't talk about it on air, but this is
the first on air. But I loved it. You know
obviously we I showed you.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Uh your your your friendly hater always had something to
say about it, uh Diamond, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Uh
I DM for like four hours that night.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Really, he after the fight, he still.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
He can't.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
He couldn't. He couldn't let it go. Dude. But I
think we're okay now, Dude. I think me and him
are good now.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Listen. I know, like fighting's weird.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Sometimes it really is, like, you know, one minute, you know,
you guys are you know, best of buds in there?
Sometimes they could be the littlest rift and it's it's
the biggest blow up.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Man, Well, we fought ten years ago. I think he was.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
He says he wasn't, but I mean, let's be honest.
He was holding a grudge from it from ten years ago.
You know, he felt some type of way that I won.
And uh, I'm not even talking trash like. It's just
like I'm being myself, like I feel like and and uh,
but you know what I talked to him. It took
h bro. My phone was blowing up. I had like

(55:45):
hundreds and hundreds of notifications and I wasn't even looking
at them. I was just dming him. I was laying
in bed next to my wife and we got home
around like two three o'clock in the morning, and I
was on my phone dming him until like six o'clock
in the morning. I I literally was like writing him
at one point and I was like, can I go
to bed? I'm tired.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
I was like, I was like, dude, I.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Just gotta have a fight, a five round fight, and
I'm tired. I was like, can I go to bed?
Are we done yet? And then he would just keep going,
and I was just like, all right, like we're gonna
keep going, but listen, like it's all right, it is
what it is. Yeah, I mean we talked to that,
We're good. I haven't heard from him since, but I
hope he's doing all right.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, dude, you know I've seen him post a picture
of him and showgun today.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
That's why I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Is that why I brought it up there?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
That's why I think I'm not Listen, I don't need
to break bring up something. Mean, you've already discussed it
doesn't need to you know, we've already discussed it.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
You were hoping I was gonna run my bath about him.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Listen, if anything is the other thing that we talked
about is what I'm waiting for us to kind of
actually discuss.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
But I, like you said, when you're ready to discuss.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
That, we mean you will discuss what is it you
already know talking about about about uh you know, uh
some of the stuff you dealt with in your last promotion,
how you had to basically you know, uh do all
the legwork for everything.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Like I said, when you're ready, we will have that conversation.
Don't have to be now.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
We don't need to talk about that right now.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, like when you're ready, we'll do it.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Because you know it's crazy, like because I know you
can edit us and whatnot, so like we'll live.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
So this one I ain't gonna be. That's why I'm like.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
All right, well, all right, we'll talk.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
You see, that's what I'm saying. I know it's not time.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, there's there'll be a timer we'll have this discussion,
but today's and the furthermore, let's get away from that.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Uh, I'm gonna completely change gears so we don't have
to go over this.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
But you know, we had a lot of weird pullouts
in the UFC over the late late last last you know,
the whole year.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yeah, you know one I get gets you because he
had herpies.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
You know, you have the unfortunate uh you had the
weight cutting situation where the you know, the one female
fight had a seizure right before, right before the fight.
Another guy he has an ankle monitor and that's why
he can't eat, That's why he can't can't fight, you know,
mister mister Dumas. And then another guy has his back
seats up. There's some of those weirdest stuff that that

(58:24):
I've seen, just fight wise being pulled out. What are
some of the weirdest pullouts that you've seen outside of
you know what I'm just mentioning right there.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Okay, I haven't really seen too many weird ones like that.
Those what I read were all the weird ones. But
I had a weird one happened to me.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
See, That's what I was saying. What was your what
is your experience of a weird pullout?

Speaker 3 (58:48):
It was gonna be my first ever AMNI fight, and
I'll never forget the date, June first, twenty thirteen, and
it was against a guy named Devon.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Harold I think Harold or Harold or something like that.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
And we're showing up, dude, like we're going to Wayans.
And this is back when Wayans were day off right
for Amy's right, I was gonna fight at heavyweight because
I was a fat butter ball my life, and but
I was I was making my way down though. I

(59:22):
was probably like two fifteen and we agreed upon two
ten to fifteen, and on my way away and they
called Ryan Kerwin.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
You remember Ryan Cerlin.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yea, he calls me and he goes He's like, hey,
we're gonna have to scrap this fight.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Like why, He's like, you're a ponent filled the AIDS test.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
I was like, what the Yeah, dude, dude, I showed up.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I showed up for Wayans and they were offering me
a guy that was like six foot four, two sixty
five another their debut. I was like, what, I probably
could have beat him, like after watching him fight, but
like I was like no, I was like, we'll just
wait for the next one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
I was like Jesus crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I was think I am afraid to even fight any
of these guys. At that point, I probably shouldn't have
said age, but I mean I don't. I don't think
I broke any hippo walls. But whatever, well, I mean he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Came to a professional fight and he failed to test.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
So I think they found out the day the day of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Craziness.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Brother, craziness, right, I was scared.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
We're talking about the craziness that's going on in combat
sports over over the last year. We've already talked about
Connor's retiring, but Dana wants him back. John's retiring. He's
trying to get him to fight Tom. But the weirdest
thing that I've seen over the past few weeks is
Justin gage basically says Dana White owes him title fight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
And Dana was like, you know, if he's talking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Retirement, he should probably retire if that's that's that's the
route he wants to go. Me and you already talked
about I kind of feel like that they need they
need to keep as many stars and the drawing powers
they can right now, do you think Justin Gagee honestly
deserves a title fight? I mean, he is arguably one
of the more exciting whiteweight fighters that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
That we have in the UFC. And he did he
did take take a fight short notice.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Did he win?

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
No, And that's the fight he lost.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Did he fight it was Max? I'm not big on
title lost, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
He and I'm with you on that one. But he
has done a lot for the company and you know
it was but if you if you remember that was
that was for.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
The b MF title, right, So he will to fight Ilia, Yeah,
he wants, he wants to.

Speaker 8 (01:02:05):
Why that would be a bang, right because we see
what rude Justin's got.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Justin Justin's got good calf kicks and he's got good
uppercuts and hooks and stuff. Dude, he's not a bad boxer,
bro so that that would like obviously Armand is way
better boxer. But I would I think he could do
okay with the kicks and stuff, like he might be
able to shut him down with the kicks.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
I don't know I would.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I mean, I'm always like a guy that I don't
really like to give predictions. I like to just look
at yeah, like well, I like to look at it
for both, like both sides of it. But I think
it would be a really good fight. I think definitely
someone's going to get knocked out and can tell you
that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, it's one of those ones where but some's gonna
be someone's gonna be the nail. I would lean on.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
More Ilia being a bigger favorite, but like I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
He did dad himself to the name of list of
of double champs, who's your favorite double champ of all time?

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Well, there's only one that we could talk about, dude,
and that's well too. Sorry, I forgot about one ready
to get toward probably number two, and number one would
be Daniel Cormier.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I don't see, I'm with you. No one gives Daniel
enough credit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Everyone just refers to, oh, well he lost to John
jones on, but that doesn't discredit him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
He's an amazing human being.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
He gives back in the sport, He gives back to
the youth in the sport. I mean, Daniel Cormier is
one of the best double champs that we we've ever had.
I mean, I mean, you can make arguments for some
of the other guys obviously, uh you know Henry Shudo
that definitely just deserves some love, but he's not on
Daniel's level, and at least in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Nah, Daniel's gotta be I mean, obviously Jones but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Uh I won't because he never defended it. He beat
he beats Steepe right. Oh no, wait, the Seio Gage
fight too. I forgot about that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
He did defend it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
But like that's just my personal list. Like I mean,
obviously everybody's gonna put Jones above him. But but like
for me, it's always, it's always d C. I always
liked I like I liked how DC would just like
be in your face and like he was like a
way way better chaill song, like a way like just
in your face. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
He could box, he could kick, he could wrestle, and
uh he was very high high IQ fighter.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
He was a very very high i Q fighter.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
And only two people ever really beat him, Jones and Steepe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
He mall through a lot of guys.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
I mean, I think I.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Think if he was a little younger when he rematched
Steve Bayo's two fights, I don't think Steve would have won.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
I find that that that that that a believable statement
right there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Imagine like when Daniel first came to the UFC, I
mean when he first was in Strikeforce, like when he
knocked out big Foot Silva. You really think that that
Daniel Kormier was in a mauled Steve a much because
he would have no like, dude, he.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Was some some of his his slams were unbelievable, Like
some of the fights that he won.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Were just so mind you when I was watching my
first Daniel Cormier flight, probably like twenty eleven eleven. The
first time I ever saw him fight was big Foot
Silva and that wasn't that Strikeforce Grand Prix Heavyweight Grand Prix.
I remember thinking I was saving a Kyle Daalkles about this.

(01:05:50):
I remember thinking leading up to that fight, I was like, dude,
big Foot Silva is gonna mauld this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I still think the other one was a surprising was
when he stopped Rumble.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Oh yeah, when he beat Rumble.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
That's when Anthony Johnson was terrifying. Mofos.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
He was still terrifying after that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
He wanted and seventy pounds.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Dude, he's dead and he's still scary.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
You ain't lying, brother, I mean alright, yes, sir, he's
one of He's one of the ogs. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
I gotta give be crazy and Baron. Could you imagine
that dude in baronuckle do?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
I mean the competitors know, But I mean if he
if that was around while while he was doing his thing,
he probably would have would have would have ruled it
with an iron fist.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Dude, if he was alive, he'd be in it right now.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
I guarantee it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, I agree. I you know, the crazy thing. He's
the nicest, soft spokenest dude you can meet.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
That's what I always heard about him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
I heard he was a nice I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Met him three different times.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I met him, uh after away inst at UFC one
O one was was super nice. He was with the
tap out dudes, okay and the I covered media for
the Lawski fight for World Series of Fighting and seen

(01:07:23):
him a bunch of times for that too, And that was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Broke Lasky's John couldn't stop him.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Dude, I've read about that fight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
That was a good fight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
That was I mean, I think that's one of the
fights that reason why like World Series of Fighting was
as popular as it was for as long as it was.
It was just because they had those type of fights
in the early in the early stages and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Just cut Yeah, where was that card at Jersey?

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
It was Atlantic City.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I was supposed to fight on one of their cards
against Adam mateya uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
As an amateur.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
He got offered to me, but my coach at the
time didn't want me to do it, which was pretty stupid.
But I but I wonder I was wondering if it
was that card I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Think isn't Adam Taylor the one that's uh that Joey
Pfeiffer destroyed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Yeah, that's him. Yeah, that's that's the that's the weird.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, the guy heard from Adams since that fight.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
I don't think anybody has.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I think he's I think he's still playing in the
octagon there. I think they did. I think they left
the cage. I think he's still laying there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, I mean that was That's one of those losses.
It's hard to It's hard to overcome something like that sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I got a last few ones before we get ready
to wrap this up, big as Ann That came out
was your boss is bringing all the champs and down
there down the Hollywood to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Have some kind of champion summit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
There's a champions and what.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Do you think is going to be a NACA there too?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
You know, do you think there's gonna be any any
type of squabbles going on? I know, uh, I know,
uh you know, uh you know, Cowboy Daven Dell's been
trying to get his hand on on on uh on
Mike Perry for better part of two years now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
No, they probably have some choice of words, but I'm
kind of hoping it's, well, I'm hoping it's two things.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
I'm I'm hoping it's either see it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
I don't want to say these things and then them
see it and get.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Mad at me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
But whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
I'm hoping, I'm hoping it's either a new network, like
a bigger network deal.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
No shot at the Zone.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
At BKFC, we love the zone, but you know, not
a lot of people have the zone. Uh So the
zone to Zone to me is like for pure combat sports,
you know what I mean. It's for the it's for
the hardcore sort of hardcore fans. As you know, I'm
a big for wrestling thing, so I grew up always

(01:10:06):
hearing frigging about TV ratings and like networks and stuff
like that. I'm kind of hoping they go the route
with something along the lines of like Max or Prime
or whatever else is out there. I don't even know
what else we got.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
I could see them go with Paramount. I could see Paramount.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I could see a streaming service. Let me let me
pitch this to you for a second. ESPN ain't gonna
have combat sports on it right now. They just took
all UFC stuff on it. Wouldn't ben't surprised to me
to see Dave and and Connor and them kind of
slip in there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
And be like, hey, no with Disney. Yeah, yeah, I
mean that would be appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
And I'm just saying that from the just from the
closeness because of b KFC's down there in Florida obviously,
you know you got Disney World down there.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
I mean I would love that. I mean, that'd be cool,
but that you got a good point with that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
I was just saying, like, listen, I I agree that
that another streaming deal should be on the plate for BKFC,
but I wouldn't be surprised that to see them go
bigger and to try to get on ESPN.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
Well, I know they're growing like fast, like I do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
I I agree that that that what Dave has done
with BKFC over the last two years is unprecedented.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
It's uh, it's definitely the number two right now because
since Belato or uh, since PFL decided to kill.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
Itself by buying Belatore for some weird reason.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
And hiring Crisis Nigana for n astrolockable amount of money,
you not haveing fight.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Yeah, yeah, it just makes no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Uh, I don't know that. Like they like made Dana's
year by doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Dana like had a good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Lad cracking up right now, Like, Uh, you guys are
doing so bad, I'm gonna go promote some boxing and
completely leave the UFC to to their own devices for a.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
Few Yeah that's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
But I think they're number two right now. So I
could definitely see. I could see all those Dude, I
could see ESPN. I could see the Only reason I'm
saying Max is because I read a lot of the
Pro Wrestling dirt sheets and ae w's on them Max,
and from what I was reading, Max is really looking
to uh, they really want a lot of live sports,

(01:12:28):
and that's what I read. They want more live sports,
and they even if it's combat sports. So I want
to be surprised if it was Max. I also want
to be surprised if it was Dezonne. I know Amazon
has one FC or one Championship or whatever you want
to call it, So another company that can't figure out
what they want to call themselves. But uh, you know,

(01:12:53):
I could see. I really think the front runners are
Max or Paramount Plus. But I could see ESPN just
coming out of nowhere and saying hey, like you know,
like we're we're doing this. We're going with BKFC. The
second thing that I'm hoping that they're going to announce
health care for the fighters.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Uh, I don't blame you. They're considering the conversations we
were just having about Ben. You know, I mean, I don't,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Yeah, I well, it's the you know Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
I've had very little interactions with Dave. When he did
the podcast, you know, he said that, uh it was
true that I fought for him before and stuff like that,
but uh, most of my dealings with the guy that
owns ARTA warn out Mike Pickings, you know, uh, and
with with Dave as a partner with them. So I

(01:13:48):
always did my dealings with Mike and uh. I So
I've had conversations with Dave, like very briefly, like you know,
we're talking like five minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Even at my BKFC.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Fight, Like it was like I talked to him very briefly.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
It was it was like a five minute, five minute conversation.
Not even I thanked them for the opportunity. He said.
He was like, you know, like good luck, and like
the gist of it was good luck and you know,
make the most of your opportunity. And I definitely did that.
But uh, I went viral calling out that Russian pos

(01:14:25):
But uh, I really like PSC dude, like I'm and
I'm not just saying it because I fight for them.
They treat me good, dude, Like you know me and
you had some off camera conversations as you said about stuff, Dude,
I'll talk about them on camera.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
I will make them because you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
I got a message I was posting this stuff. Someone
was in my d MS. They they they've.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Fought in for multiple different promotions and I was talking
about you know, Pearson and he was like, oh, they're
they're just paid to do that. I'm like, I just
laughed at the comment. I was like, listen, they're not
cutting checks for the for these guys or these girls
to be giving them good publicity.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
I can guarantee you that how's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Most that fighter said that that that you know hasn't
fought in for b KFC, but has fought in bare knuckle.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Their latest fight was a boxing fight, not a bare
knuckle fight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
So I don't know if it was just the cross
promotional thing or just made that that he hasn't fought
foughting for BKFC.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Sounds like someone's a little jelly, a little peanut butter
and jelly.

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
Like someone like the type, but but like cause he's
just I'm telling you right now, I'll tell you, but
I think he's wrong, Steve.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
I'll tell you a little something that I didn't get
a chance to tell you yet. Since I fought for BKFC,
Chris Leitle has called me three times. He called me
on the Monday after my fight, he called me in
between to see how I've been, and then he called

(01:16:05):
me just last week to see how the camp's going.
He does a little bit of fighter relations now as well,
between him and Kevin. Right, yeah, Kevin Smith is uh.
I was actually texting him like a day ago or

(01:16:26):
two days ago. He's on vacation for my fight, so
uh well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Mean, dude, he just did all the BKFC ice stuff.
You gotta expect him to take a breather somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I like that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Man. I got no problems with Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Yeah, Kevin's a good dude, even though me and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Him keep missing each other. For us to kind of
work on trying to get some of the athletes on
my programming. But listen, he's always at least responding to
me like, Hey, x is Y's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Be's going on? We'll have to catch up here there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
You text him, dude, he always texts back like It's
not like he's the most He's the easiest to get
a hold of that big a big company, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
They're hard to get ahold of some of those dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
That that that Chris is is checking up on your
reaching out to you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Dude, he's a big he.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
I like Chris dude.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
He's a here's something, Here's another thing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
I'll tell you so.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
You know how they do.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Like the commentary interview.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
So I watched Sean Wheelock commentate for Affliction Uh for
one of the fade or fights I watched. I'm not
sure if it was our last year Sylvia and I'm
an mm A nerd dude, and so uh when I
when I when I found out that Sean Wheelock commentated

(01:17:49):
for BKFC, Dude, if you could do this for me,
by the way, clip this because I'll send it to him.
I have.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
He gave me his number after this interaction.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
After I found nother Sean Wheelock was commentating for BKFC.
I literally like was starting a fan boy out, dude,
because mind you, I didn't watch any BKFC. I didn't
know that he commentated for them, Like I didn't know
anything about them when I took the fight, uh. And
it wasn't that I didn't like it. It was just
that I don't like boxing, and I like, I just
don't like I'm not a big boxing fan and I

(01:18:21):
can't get into boxing. So I just like I watched
like clips of it when it first came out and
just did it interest me. And I don't even think
he was I don't think he was commentating, uh for BGFC,
like during the first couple of shows. But anyway, as
soon as as soon as I got to the back
where they're like, alright, Lex, come on here, I said,
I was like, Sean Wheelock, I remember you from Affliction

(01:18:44):
when you commentated fade Or And I was like, I
just don't remember which if it was Fad or Silvia
or Fador or Alaski and he would and dude, he
goes like this, he's sitting up, and he's sitting up,
and he goes he is last. I have met thousands
of fighters. He goes, I have never had a fighter

(01:19:05):
bring that up to me, know me because of the
affliction thing. He was like, that's really impressive. And then
like I started shooting it with him. And then I
looked at Chris Lettle and I was like, and you
mother effort. I was like, when I was fourteen years old,
I bet against I was like, you lost me money.
That's why I said, when I was fourteen years old,
you lost me money. And he goes with this. He goes, ah,

(01:19:25):
you know you win some, you lose something.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
And I was like, no, I was actually you freaking won.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
I was like, I bet against you. And he was like, oh,
what the heck, dude, why would you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Like it wasn't like I bet on him as an adult,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Like it was funny like I was fourteen years old
like I was, and I said, I was using my
dad's Buddies account. He was letting me use his account
and I had twenty seven dollars and Matt Sarah was
the Matt Sarah was the underdog. It was the rematch,
and I bet on Matt Sarah to win and Chris
Ledele thought it was the funniest thing in the world. Dude,

(01:19:59):
he was dying and they both liked me a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
And uh, we all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Exchanged numbers after we left, and uh, I really believe
And you know what, dude, like Chris said. Chris said
to me on that phone call. He told me, he
said straight up that he said that they all like me,
like Dave likes me. I know that Nate Shook likes
me because Nate.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Shokate's the one that put that put your name in
the mix.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
Yeah, like Nate Nate.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Uh, after the fight got booked, I I shot him,
Uh because I didn't talk to him during the negotiations
because my manager.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
I was trying to be professional.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
I was trying to keep out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
So but as soon as the fight got booked, I said, Uh,
I said, thank you for the opportunity, Nate.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
I was like, I put on one hell of a
fight for you, buddy. But uh, yeah, dude, like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
They're they're a good company, dude, like like believe it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
Or not, Like they're checking in on you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Uh when you're there, they're always asking if you need anything.
When the only time, like I didn't have a bad
I did. I'm not saying I had a bad interaction,
but the only time they're just not checking on you
is when the show's going on, because you know they're
running around like freaking chickens with their heads cutt. But
right after the show, dude, like they're like, I was
hanging out after the show, they shook walked up and

(01:21:20):
talked to me. I just I didn't get the chance
to talk to Dave. I was the only person. But
you know, from what it sounds like, they they really
like me and they really want me to be a
part of whatever is about to happen. Something's about to happen,
and I don't know what's about to happen, but I was.
I was. I was basically asked to be a part

(01:21:41):
of the BKFC family in that phone call, and uh yeah,
so I'm I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Expecting to be a part of it after this fight.
So what was your next question?

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
I'm sorry, brother, I got right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
I love I love hearing your stories, brother, so I'll
let your rain along with it. The other one was,
I don't know if you've seen this, but apparently I
hear Christina Fieri is gonna be going up and wait,
she's gonna be fighting them, Jessica borgo.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
I don't even know who these guys are.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
I don't know who they are.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Well, Christina is the the batamweight champion now for women's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Right, Aw, we don't care about that, dude, there's women
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
I'm just cheking, all right. So she wants to go
up there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Yeah, I've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Uh, you know, jess shared some messages between her and
and Christina's manager, Jule.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
You never break k fabe, Christina. You broke k fabe.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
Not you, not you, Steven.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Christina did, and she revealed the messages.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
She broke k fabe and I lost all respect for you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Well, no, that was that would be Jessica.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
You broke k fabe. I respect Christina, not you. I
hope you lose your belt.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I'm the other way. Yeah, I got h no no
skin in the game with Christina. She got a She
blackballed me because I interviewed Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Now I gotta go against her.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
She she she she.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Basically like I used to interview her when she used
to do lines fight all the time. So I used
to the interviewer all the time. Apparently, after she came
to bak AFC and one of her titles and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
I was trying to reach out to her, but I
had interviewed Helen Perolta, who beat Christina.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
So it was basically I was told to go interview
Helen and you know, trying to talk about with her.
Manager said it was going to be organized and nothing
ever came of it. But no love loss, you know,
which are all the best, but you know, hopefully we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
And then, like you know sometimes you know, like we
talk about people deal with things, how they deal with them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
She wants, Yeah, I'm I'm just trolling. I'm just trying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
She doesn't want to talk to me. She doesn't want
to talk to me. It's all right. I ain't mad
at her.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
I I'm just trolling, dude. I don't even know. I
don't even know these girls. I hope they both had
a good fight.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Well I know you know who these two are, because
this announcement just came out today is uh Offen uh
and DDP man and the Greatest Fighter's about this fight?

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Well, like we said off camera, we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
We both don't understand why they're two international guys are
fighting in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
But well that you know why they're fighting in Chicago.
There's no American champions.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
That's why, for the first time since two thousand and four,
there is no UFC American champion at all. Well, I
meant for the mail for the men I got Kayla Harrison,
good call, though. I mean tamaiav is the greatest fighter
for like one round. He's like the greatest fighter ever

(01:24:52):
to live for one round and then he starts to
get more human and human and humans. So if DDP
can last those two rounds, I think it'll be his fight.
That's a tough two rounds, dude, It's.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
A freaking tough two rounds.

Speaker 10 (01:25:04):
His grappling is that is d J penn esque, how
I would say. His grappling is comsat. I call him
goat Zat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Yeah, me and my friends call him goats at because
he's so good. But I'm not a bit I'm not
really a big d DP fan.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
I just I just hope he doesn't have any more
prile make him wait.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
He just kisses his character.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
It's a little weird. Kind of throws me off a little.

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
Even if I had him, I don't even want to
fight him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
I might kiss me. He might kiss me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Let me ask you, what do you what do you
think about the sky on point?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
I was literally literally that's where I was going. Next,
your fight against miss mister Lewis.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Rumsey, because you're an o G. He's a o G.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
I'm an oj Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say,
he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
He goes back to the to the early early early
local MMA days in the in the Tri State area.
So you're you're more than somewhat familiar with this guy.
Have you not seen him fight multiple times?

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
My god.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
First I ever watched him fight was s fifteen I
think that was against Zoozuna, and I knew that I
could beat him then. And uh so when listen, I
got offered three fights ever for BKFC. Two accepted me,

(01:26:38):
one guy turned me out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Who turned it down?

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
I got to know rock Walker, who exactly brock Walker. Okay, yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Mister brock Walker accepted the fight, and then like three
days later called management and said, uh, it's said he
wants to move down a weight class. AKA, he's scared.
But I did say to my manager, I was like,
we can follow him. I was like, I can fight
at two and five.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
I was like, I was like, I don't really want
to fight it heavyweight.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
I was like, you know, but you know they want
me at have you They Well, the plan for this
is two heavyweight fights and then you know, two of five.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
But you're not gonna stay at heavyweight moving forward.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
No, but I am running into it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
I'll tell you off care but uh, because I want
mister mister to see this, but I got something.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
You got a little surprise for you, mister.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
But uh, I'm gonna be a little shocked when you
see me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
But anyway, Uh, I've don't wanting to fight this guy
for a long time, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
And you know what, ever since I ever since I
took the fight, dude, I just been man like, I'm like,
I remember the last time when we said that, Like
I don't really think about the fights and stuff now
like before the fight, like I kind of stopped thinking
about it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
I live my day to day, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
I've just been thinking about this dude every day all
day long. And like there's a lot of benefits that
come to fighting with this guy, because let's be honest,
he knows, he knows the career ain't going too well.
He's thirty five years old.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
It's coming to an end.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
I took six years off.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
I took.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
I took off when I.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Was twenty From when I was twenty five to when
I was twenty nine, I got another I got another
eight years left to me, you know what I mean.
I'm just getting started, even though I'm thirty one, but
I am just getting started because I feel like that
time off really helped me out. But with mister Rumsey,

(01:28:43):
you know, I respect him a lot. But as I
said before about Connor McKenna, my goal every fight is
to make sure they never fight again. And you know
McKenna will probably fight again. But you know, that was
a real eye opening fight for him because he thought
he even said he he was telling me the back man,

(01:29:05):
you have no idea how he saw our interview.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
Bro, he saw our interview and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
He said, uh, he was like, you have no idea
how much he motivated me to get better. And I
was just sitting there and I was like, I was like,
you have no idea how Harlem to hit you in
the face tomorrow, Like like, uh, he wasn't saying that.
He was saying that to me right before we walked
out for the lanes. They the one That's the one

(01:29:34):
thing I don't like that they do like for thes
like they make a stand shoulder and shoulder like me
and me and him were like literally right next to
each other and they.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Should do the opposite side thing like kind of like
what UFC does, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
But they just they didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
They like We're just literally just It's not like I'm
afraid of the guy or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
I just it's awkward.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
That could cause problems later on down the road.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
I'm just saying, yeah, so uh it might just because
of the venue. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Yeah, because in Kennedy it's not easy to kind of
go each way.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
So he was just saying to me, like I didn't,
Like I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
That's a whole podcast by itself, dude, he with his
whole That guy has a nutball.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
I actually am pretty cool with that guy now, but like, uh,
he added me on Facebook or whatever. But uh, and
we dmmed a little bit. I call him the Crimson
Chin because I've never hit anybody that hard in my
life and then laugh at me like dude, I was
cracking him, Dude, like I like I cracked him, like
and I was getting tired from I was sick, but

(01:30:41):
I got tired from hitt him so hard anyway. Uh,
but you know, Lewis, I really do feel like this
is his last fight, dude, because I only get.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Better every fight.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
And I feel like, what, like what I do that
a lot of fighters don't do, probably is that like
I watched that fight ten thousand times. I watched my
own fight ten thousand times, and I said to myself,
how would I beat myself? Like like if I were
to fight myself, like I like I game plan for myself,
and like I study myself. And obviously I'm not gonna
give away like how I beat myself, but uh but

(01:31:19):
I know the answers to it without watching it, but
then like watching it, I get to learn it from
like a different aspect, like like if like as if
I was studying myself. So, but you know, today, what's
today Sunday? So today is the last day that I
watched Lewis's fights. I'm not gonna watch him again until
until I'm stepping there with him. But I'm prepared, brother,

(01:31:43):
And I really feel like, uh, Louis is on his
way out and I feel like this is Lewis's retirement
fight because I am going to test that chip, brother,
And unlike most fighters at uh, Lewis fought. I'm not
afraid to get hit. And I know Louis is two
and four in BKFC. I know that's not a great
right for him, but you know he's an O G
and M M A and he's well respected and uh

(01:32:05):
but yeah, his is definitely get checked in this fight, dude,
for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
And U I think this time, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
You went the decision you want to, you don't you
don't want to? Are you gonna make.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Sure we're putting a statement on this one? Brother? Like listen,
I just want to say it's so bad, but I
got a lot of surprises for this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Uh, don't give it up because, like you said, you
know as much as as much as people don't, you know,
they they watch your interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Yeah, not just I know he's watching my stuff. His
coach at at me on Facebook, all these dudes. Listen,
not Lewis not a crack at Lewis. I really do
respect Lewis. I'm not talking trash right, Yeah, Like I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Not sitting there saying like like you're gonna completely.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Like wipe the floor with him. You're gonna have like
a highlight. I'm just sitting there saying like, listen, I
am what it's like now.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
No, I am saying like I am saying, Yeah, that's
exactly what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
I am gonna walk in there and I am gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Wait the floor. Listen. He's gonna land punches like it's
a fight that's gonna happen. But it just like all
my fights, brother, all my fights, okay whatever. I lost
three fights early in my career, but besides those three fights,
all of.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
My wins are dominant.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
And even in my big AFC fight, I don't care
what that judge said, that was a dominant freaking win.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Dude, I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
I got hit one time per round. I landed seventy
percent of my strikes. Seventy percent of my strikes landed. Okay,
that's something that he's got to think about because I
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
Just throw to throw.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
I throw to land and I throw to hurt.

Speaker 11 (01:33:45):
And like everybody's like, oh yeah, like these people they
know they're afraid to break their hands and stuff like that.
Well let's find out, dude, Like, like, I'm just gonna
I'm gonna check his chin, he's gonna try to check mine.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
I don't think he's gonna be able.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
To hit me clean because it's very hard to hit me. Dude.
I trained with some high level dudes, and I don't
know where the heck he trains at. He trains it
like Williams Sports self Defense school or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
I don't even I don't even know they know who
they are.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
But uh, but that annoyed me that the coach added me,
because that makes me think they're insecure because I don't
even look this dude up. I don't even know what
this guy's instagram is. I don't even know, like I
look up your fights on YouTube, but like I don't
really care about you, like like I like you like
are not existent, Like you're just an entity in front
of me. And you know, he'll see, dude, he's gonna

(01:34:37):
see when when he sees me in person, he's gonna
be like he's gonna be like, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
Like this is a lot different than I thought it
would be.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
So uh, after this, the plan is is two five moving.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Forward, Well, we'll find out if that Russian pos is
a little too afraid or not. I got I got,
I got plans, brother, I got plans for him. I
got plans for I got plans for a for someone
else that's on currently on the BKFC roster.

Speaker 5 (01:35:08):
Me and him who Me and him.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
I was writing to him and he was liking the comments.
You know, he's pretty pretty famous in the BKFC world.
But you know, he was liking the comments. So I
think that flight's a pretty inevitable to happen, you know,
especially with the Wells Fargo card coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
So they are coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
I know, I know you guys are doing another fight
Night at the at twenty three hundred. But I would
assume at some point in time in the next three
or four months the next venue will be back at
Wells Fargo.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
I mean, I don't, I don't. I don't know exactly
what it is, but I mean, yeah, like I know
that they're gonna eventually come back.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
I love it, brother, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
And it's and it'll be the Xfinity Live Mobile, yes,
because it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Will no longer it's it's no longer Wells Fargo Center.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
But yeah, but Lewis Ramsey won't make it to that car,
but I will, but listen, like I'm not talking trash.
It's just this is just like this isn't like like
me coming at his character or me coming at his
family or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
The dude is a father.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
I'm a father.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
I respect the guy tremendously. He's a vet. I've been
watching it for ten years. This is just a this
is just me Like it's like bro, it's like bro
trash talk. It's uh like locker room trash talk, like
Xbox game trash talk. That's all it is. Like if
I'm not confident in this fight, then I shouldn't be
fighting you. Like That's how I look at it. You know,

(01:36:33):
I took this fight for a reason because I think
I can beat you, and uh, we're gonna find out
for sure, because this guy's fought a lot of good dudes,
but he hasn't fought lex Lub. How about that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
It's gonna be a good one, man. I know it's
a I think it's a it's a fun matchup for you.
I think it's a good matchup for you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
I think it's the people's main event. I think it's
gonna be a banger.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Yeah, I mean, obviously you know, you got you, you got,
you got the can Always King is gonna be on
the card.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Patty Sullivan is going to be on the card.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
I'm just waiting for you to name somebody that would
wake me up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Well, they haven't haven't announced too much else, you know.
Obviously Alexi car is going to be on.

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
Oh We're up.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Elijah Harris is is gonna be my.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Boy, the Buffalo Soldier dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
Tell him at the lens.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
I was like, dude, I was like, I'm a huge fan.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
He couldn't believe it. I was like, I'm a big
Buffalo Soldier fan due.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
One of our of our local scene, you know, combat
sports guys.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
So yeah, definitely definitely excited to see uh Elijah back
in there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
So with the hippie disciple due they got the fastest
PKFC knockout that night.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Yeah, Devin, yeah, yea yeah him.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Uh he just a dude.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Yeah, the guy he's fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Oh yeah, I know you're talking about yeah, because I
just I just added him because I want to see
if I can get him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
On here and uh have some fun with him on here.
What the nunzie, Yeah, his opponent here.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Yeah, you should clip what I'm about to say and
show them. I used to train with the Nunzio and Revolution,
I d M the Dunzel and I said, dude, what
the hell.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Were you thinking taking this fight?

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
This is a bad matchup, dude. Like, I don't want
to I don't want to discredit the guy. I actually
like the Nunzio a lot. I think he's a good
human being. But this is a bad matchup. Brother, That's
all I gotta say about it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Styles fights.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
We'll see how it all shakes out in the b
KFC ring.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Right, Yeah, dude, I I I wish both the best.
I really like the Hippi Disciple a lot. I always
liked j he was always it's always a good dude.
He's you know, he's got a great heart. He's a
great human being. I used to train with him. But man,
that's a tough fight, dude. Like god darn uh. I said, dude,

(01:39:29):
you're not even a professional fighter, Like what are you? Like?
This is your pro debut? Like what did we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
And uh, what's brother? Had anyone now? Like we talked
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
That's it's it's It is the second biggest combat sports
promotion in the world right now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
No, No, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
I'm not. I'm not coming out of the fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Oh yeah, I know you're saying that everyone everyone wants
to see if they got the metal dude.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
But listen, I hope he proves me wrong. And I really,
I really seriously mean that he he he could have
went to Florida and became a way better fighter from
when he trained with me, you know what I mean.
But it's gonna be He's the fight right before me.
So I'm like, I'm not gonna be able to watch it.
So but uh, I wish him uck, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
As I always say, best of skill, guys, best.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Of skill, that's a good one. Best of skills someone
else has that too to me?

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Because in reality, is it luck? You guys train all
this time? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Is it really like I have a problem with saying
the best of luck to to to a professional athlete
because is it really luck? You guys put in all
this hour, sacrifice, time away from your family, sacrifice, you know,
hanging out with your friends, goofing off doing that sacrifice,
you know, sacrifice the time when you're your kids specifically,
Like it's you guys sacrifice a lot. So I wouldn't

(01:40:50):
say luck to anyone. It's not luck, you know, and
we're in combat, like yeah everyone, Oh you know that's
a lucky punch.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
That was a lucky strike. No, I don't. I can't
say it's luck. I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
I think it's a disrespect for for any man or
woman who steps into the ring, to the cage whatever
to sit there and say best of luck, because it's
not luck.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
You guys sacrifice a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
That's a good outlook on it. So's so let's go
back to my question. What do you think about me
versus Lewis Rumsey?

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Listen, I think I think you'd already kind of said it, brother, like,
no disrespect to Lewis. You know he's he's now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Don't be don't be saying this just because I'm on here,
you know how, You know how I am?

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Like, listen, I got made in love for you know,
I thought it was a you know, I think this
is one of those ones that's right up for your alley.
I don't know, like you're you're sitting there saying the
last match of bad. I think it's a bad match.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Up for for Lewis. Nothing scares you. You don't have
you have no no, no fear to to sit there
and trade punches with any anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
You know, life has already beating you down, so that
there's nothing there You're not There's nothing that he's gonna
do that that's going to scare you, that makes you
a dangerous fight for It doesn't matter if it's Lewis
or whatever. Now granted that you know you're going in
there against like a Ben Raff, well obviously you got
something to be scared about because that's a big, a
big Harry scary man.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
That'd be big Harry dudes man. But I mean he's
a lot larger of a dude.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
It would be the battle of who had the most
body here in that foight.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Yeah, I would have to give it to him. Remember
when he called out Orlowski said let's do it. Yeah, man,
he's he's a character.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
He's a character. I'd like to meet him.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
My kids met him, you know at Knucklemania.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Get him on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
I tried to his management. Don't like me because of
of the dude we were talking about earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Vickings No, no, no, no, the guy with the ankle
monitor O Jesus so before his debut. I reached out
to him to have him on the foot on the podcast, right,
He's like, yeah, yeah, I love to do it. Then
like an hour later I get a call it's seventy
five hours for an interview.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
What I was like, Yeah, best of.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Skilled, brother, I'm paying you for an interview. That's not
how this works. I wound up reaching out this when
I was still cool with Bob Maloney and I was like, yeah,
have you ever paid like an athlete for an interview?

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
Second, what happened with you and Bob?

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Well, because I said something about the Shawnton telething. He
was laughing at him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
What's it called?

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Justin sitting there making lies about why my kids left
Daniel Gracie, justin whom paschal Ah? Apparently I wore crocs.
I'm like, I never wore crocs in my life, dude,
what the fuck you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
Would it even matter?

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
But you know, I'm a fake media guy. I'm a
fake podcast or all this suff I'm like, how's it fake?

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
What is what I do? Fake?

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
People only hate you when you're not a part of
the team.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Brother, Oh yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
So like basically accused me of attacking a kid at
the gym, So what I reached out.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
To another.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
You know, parent who was there when I was there.
I'm like, Yo, what the fuck is justin talking about?
Like I'm not asking you to get involved. I'm like,
am I forgetting something? Because I'm one of them dads
of something crazy happening? I jumped on the mat, break
it up whatever, And there was a kid there that
that during that time sent a couple of kids out

(01:44:40):
of the gym because he.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Broke broke boones.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Wow, he was holding on the submissions too long, Okay,
So like I do remember like jumping on the mat
for something like that. So he was like, I don't
know what he's talking about. So basically it was just
like saving face because you know, my daughter was was
roasting both Mike and Debbie. Why did they were like

(01:45:08):
basically like there was some stuff that, like I said,
I already told you, like stuff went on with with
with with me Mike and deb because you know I
was the cff C guy.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
I do remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
So after after they he was sitting there saying I'm
the cf I'm like, listen, I'll give you like my
next three podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
I interviewed just like half half the card for the
for the autowork card that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
It was Martinez and yes, so my So when I
got there after through media, there was no media for me.
He told me to go stand in the back. I'm like,
how am I supposed to cover an event where I
can't see the fucking cage?

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
So you remember what happen in that night, right, So
my kids almost get fucking trampled.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Okay, So we wound up leaving right when I halfway home,
you know, because there was no fucking internet service in
the fucking arena. I finally got a message telling me
to bring my kids up. I never I still to
this day, I haven't responded to the message, just because
you tell you were sitting there crying that I wasn't
giving you media. I show up at open workout, No

(01:46:30):
one's there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
But me and Bob, you know. So if you go
back and watch.

Speaker 12 (01:46:36):
The open workout for that event, go look and see
who was em seeing And it was my fucking daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
So you use her as a media piece and propped
her out. But it wasn't good enough to give me
media credentials when it came down time for the fight.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
And was this, this is your last interaction with them?

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Literally the last interaction I had was was basically when
when he stopped showing to tell her for fighting for BKFC,
claiming they had a contract, and I basically said, I'm
not surprised. That's how Mike does business. And then I
was being attacked by Justin Bob, Mike, and Debb.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
I'm cool, I'm really close with deb I like de
lot well, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
She's trying to She's trying to protect the hard work
that she puts in. I at the end of the day,
I don't I don't hate them for it. But when
you're making up stuff to sit there and try to
paint yourself in a way, like I said, I have
a problem with these things, be real about it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Listen. If I did something wrong, I'll be the first
one like you know what, I handled that wrong. I
did this wrong. But I'm not gonna sit there and
try to make make like something didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
I've known you long enough now to know that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
Listen, dude, Like, listen, if I handle because I don't
handle everything the right way, dead honest, like you can say,
like Steve, you were being a fucking dickhead about it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
I might have been, but you probably did something to
make me act like a fucking dickhead.

Speaker 12 (01:48:05):
So it's like when you do things in that way,
like I'm not gonna show you love when you sit
there and do something like that the show and I'm
not gonna sit there and sugarcoat it, like, yo, you
shouldn't be doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
Knowing one, how many fights did Sean have left in
his career.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Maybe a handful if he's lucky, sit there and take
an opportunity like that away, way away from from from Seanson,
Tella is a dishonor to to to him as a fighter,
to you as a promoter, to to to what combat
sports is really about.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
You can get mad.

Speaker 5 (01:48:39):
That was that was like a big deal. I remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Yeah, So, like I said something about it, like I
don't act like I have the biggest podcast in the world.
I'm not a fucking Joe listen, but people tune in
and listen to me, and they give a fuck what
I gotta say.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
Don't get mad at me for speaking the truth. If
you don't want me to speak the truth, then make
sure I'll have nothing to speak on.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
So did you guys, resolve it or no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
It doesn't resolved. You know, you know what a resolve it.
Apologies to my public, apology to my daughter. I'll I'll
stop saying a single word to her. I don't want
you to don't. I'm not gonna ask you for credentials.
I'm not gonna go cover your events anymore. You made it,
but very well unclear. I'm not worth your time. I'm
not gonna waste my time, energy, gas or anything anything
in between to go cover your event. Will I give

(01:49:28):
your your the athletes who are fighting on yeah, let
I have art of work guys on there. But I mean,
obviously he talks to people because people don't talk to
me no more. I try to talk to Turnbull a
bunch of times. I don't hear nothing from him.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
Oh yeah, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
Could it be coincidence? Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Could just be coincidence. But Turnbull's a he's a good guy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
I mean I've seen him, you know over at you know, NPR,
whatever you want to call that, you know says just
keeps on moving.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Well, you go to the MP I like the way
we used to.

Speaker 5 (01:50:05):
Well, you go to the MP I.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Uh, I went there a couple of times, you know,
from the grain opening and stuff like that, you know,
try to take the kids up there for the seminars
and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
But I love you too, brother Trader.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
Dude, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
I don't wish any of those people will will no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Know, I know, brother, except except one more like.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
And she knows who it is, m h.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
And and like, I'm not trying to turn this into
like a like a whole thing. It's been. It's in
the pace that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
But like when you when you show patterns and it
affects an athlete that I care about, I'm gonna say something.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
Right, No, I understand that, brother, listen, just because I'm like,
just because I'm cool with him doesn't mean I can't
be cool with you. That's how I live my life.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Yeah, and that's the way I like, like listen, and
I don't. I don't expect anyone to sit there and
go go and confront him or or or or not
support him or anything like that. Like that's you know me,
I'm not that type of person who who you who
you want to show love to, is who you want
to show love to.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
I'm not going to tell anyone to stop doing X
Y anything for anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
We're we're our own people. We think, we have our
own thoughts, you know, we had we do our own actions.
I'm not going to tell anyone to do that and
that That was not the goal of sitting there and
bringing this up on air. I was hoping it was
something that would have never had brought it up in there.
But you asked me, and I'm not gonna not tell you.
I'm not I'm not going to bring that up. No,
because you know what, sometimes people need to be hold

(01:51:41):
helld accountable.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
He's always listened, He's always been good to me, and
I've always been good with him. But you know, there
there's obviously like things that bothered me that happened. But yeah,
but I will say this, dude, like when you know,
I told you about when I took to BMC fight,
But he uh, he's been really He's like, you know,

(01:52:06):
he just doesn't like them. He don't like them. You
don't like b A, KFC, you don't like uh. He
just doesn't like Yeah. But you know what, dude, you
gotta you got to get past that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
He like, you know, jealousy is in the color of
everyone wears.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Well. Well, I personally don't take it like that. But
anytime he, uh, he talked, anytime he talks to me
about it, I kinda I kind of, you know, because
he's because he I've known him for a very long time.
I've known him for ten years. So whenever he brings
up to me, I kind of just you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Know, let him let him roll off you like loyal brother.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
I either let it roll off of me or you know,
or I just the subject or I try to be
a good friend. And I just listened, you know what
I mean, Like, let him, let him vent it out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
And yeah, sometimes that's how we really do need is
just let us let let us talk about the poison
that's in us and get it out of us.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Yeah, and uh, to let it go, man, you have
to let it go.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
I don't want family, and he I will due.

Speaker 5 (01:53:09):
It is what it is. I want to play.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
I want to play for him again one day, you know,
just because he's local and stuff like that. But we're
talking a long time down the road. I mean, I'm
right now. I'm I'm all about BKFS and I don't
blame you, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Like listen, show show love to the people who showed
you love.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
But you know what I mean, this opportunity in front
of you that doesn't happen for everybody, not everyone's meant
meant to be a BKFC fighter. And the fact that
Dave's like, you know, in a way reclaiming his home,
I'm all for it. I'm I'm happy for Dave that
he's able to have these big events in Philadelphia. So
it's it's not one of the things I'm ever gonna

(01:53:48):
gonna sit there and wish anyone like, you know, I
don't have media credentials for for bkf C. I'm sure
if you know now that I'm with a media company,
I feel that that deserves to have that. I will,
I will try to fill out for it, but uh,
it's not one I'm going to like, you know whatever.
I was lucky that I got media credentials for for

(01:54:12):
Knucklemania because Susan Sigari got sick and she's like, hey, like, yo,
you're from Philly, right, I'm like yeah, She's like, can
you can you help help my guy?

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
I was basically just ushering people around, like hey, like, look,
we're doing interviews back here, here's our guys.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Like that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
So like I mean, for you know, and you know
I already told you Pat.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Pat hooked up my kids with tickets because we were
kept missing each other trying to get them, and.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
He's like, I got you. Don't even worry about it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
That's so like that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
You know Pat's always got ill, always have massive respect
for him. You know, you know where he's going, what
he's been through, what you know, beat you know, you know,
beating the guy he beat that night, and the way
he beat him is uh, you know, definitely not something
to shy away from.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
He's always got massive respect for me.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
So we're playing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
You take your your situations and and your opportunities when
they come to you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
I kind of felt bad that I asked for three
tickets and I wanted up having a cover, and I
couldn't even sit there and enjoy the fights with my kids.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
Right, we'll playing, he thought Lewis, Pat fought Lewis.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
I'm sure, yeah, that was that was.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
But he's not crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
But the one thing I will say about Art of War,
which I have no shame of saying, is that I
didn't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
I didn't want to be somewhere where I was involved.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Like I said, that's that's a whole other conversation for
a whole other episode as we're down to our last
four minutes before we get caught here.

Speaker 4 (01:55:56):
That's fine, dude, but that's all I wanted to say
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
You want to get man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
I don't want to be somewhere. And I told Mike
that I don't want to be somewhere where I'm not welcomed,
and he.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Told me, he told me, I was, I don't feel
like if I'm not if I'm not feeling the love
that that you want me there, I.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Won't be here. Du You don't gotta worry about that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
He told me, I am welcome. But I said, just
doesn't feel like that, brother, from other people, from.

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
The conversations that we've had off airs stuff that you
told me. That's not somebody that's shown love.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Brother, Nah, dude, and listen, she I mean, uh, you
gotta stop doing that.

Speaker 11 (01:56:43):
All.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Well, you know, I tried everything I could to mend
that and it's just not mendible. So you know, I
gave up on it. And when they reached out to
me and told me they wanted me to fight for BKFC.
I kind of took that ball and ran with it. Uh,
when I was fighting in West Virginia, I think they

(01:57:05):
were expecting me to come back and fight for them,
and I kind of was expecting that too, but unfortunately,
well fortunately enough for me. You know, I fought for BCFC.
But like back to the Mike and Death, I really,
I really do like them with a lot. They've done
a lot for me, and you know, in the future,

(01:57:26):
I would like to fight for them again. Just right now,
it just doesn't seem like it makes a whole lot
of sense under this circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Uh last like three minutes or so before we shut
this day on anything you want to you want to
give your parting shot here, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
To wrap this one up lex.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
Two our podcasts, we killed it this time, dude, before Gemma,
Chris and Kyle Dalcas's brand new gym. Come check it
out right off of Academy and by Berry. Don't know
the exact address, but come check it out. It's a
great gym, very detailed jim, very high level training to
former former number seven heavyweight in the world. And then

(01:58:06):
you got Kyle Dalkas the number, the number probably the
top dog outside the UFC in the world right now.
And then you got me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
He needs to be back one of the best middleweights
in the world without a doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
And I think he'll be back soon.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
I know he's fucking August thirtieth for CFFC, and I
think that's gonna be the fight to put him right
back in the map and then put him right back
into right back into Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
I honestly hope Kyle gets his way back there, just
so he can get on that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
White House card. There we go, there's a bit for
the White House car.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
We didn't actually get one because we were just running
through some of that, but I would love to see
him have the opportunity to to uh represend his country
on the fourth of July.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
Yeah, and he's got to fight at an Englishman like
Darren Stewart.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
Yes, yes, love that one. But uh yeah, another fun
one in the books.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Like like like I said, you know, two hours here
here on the podcast, it's always fun here on the
South Foord of Tribune Media Network and the reel and
the wear always delivers.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
And we keep it real over here.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
You know, if you listen to the two hours that
me and Lex went through all kinds of stuff, current topics.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
We went through stuff that you know, probably we should
have had privately between ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
But that's just why why I love love this uh
you know, love this man right here and wish him
all all the best. You know, man, you know, make
your statement, brother, and uh, you know, do do what
you think you're gonna you're gonna do to do this guy,
come the twenty fifth of July.

Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
I man, twenty seconds. I just feel like it's it's manifesting.
And I feel like I've been saying it out loud
a lot and thinking it out loud a lot. So
I really feel like the way that I see him
going down is the way it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
All right, Well, that should be the end of this one.
We'll catch you guys next time. Guys, peace out.

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
That was a good EPID

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